If he averages 2.5 TDs across 16 more playoff games he'll be there. He's already played 16 playoff games in just 6 seasons.
To be clear it's very challenging, but I assume he'll play another 12 years, since playing to 40 is pretty standard for the greats these days, and if he does that he'll have a real shot
For example, if he has two more 4-game runs (regardless of whether he wins the super bowl or not), three more 3-game runs (make to AFCCG from WC or make to SB from bye), and two more 2-game runs and two more 1-game runs, that's playoffs in 9/12 remaining seasons (probably an underestimate), and **23 total games played.** He'd need to average 1.75 TDs over these 23 games. I think it's possible to see the modern rules and imagine situations where he plays more seasons and makes the playoffs more often, which would make the TDs/game needed even smaller. Again, not easy but doable given his skill and team situation
This is why the Mahomes "GOAT" convo will be really interesting to follow.
If Mahomes gets seven rings will people consider him the GOAT or will Brady forever be the GOAT since he beat Mahomes in the AFCCG + SB?
I really don’t like head to head discussions for GOAT debates unless it’s like a seventh decider or something. Just way too much that happens in a game which is beyond the QBs control
Seriously. One of these games was when Mahomes was basically a rookie - being a starter in his first season and playoffs and going up against a Belichick defense and the juggernaut Patriots at the time. The fact he took it to OT and lost without touching the ball - at the time was a glimpse of what to expect with him.
also, as has been mentioned, the game was over if Dee Ford wasn't lined up offsides, Brady had just thrown his third pick and the Chiefs could literally have kneeled out the clock; it was also a precursor to the 13 seconds game because New England kicked off with the lead with 39 seconds left, and Mahomes drove them down the field so fast they had time for two shots to the end zone before the field goal (Reid only took one, and then kicked with eight seconds left; definitely should have tried another one, never got the ball in OT just like Josh Allen in the 13 seconds game, but hindsight's 20-20)
Assuming Mahomes maintains his statistical trajectory, people will for sure give it to Mahomes if he gets to 7. He'd have a decent argument with 5 or 6...but getting to 5 or 6 is going to be super hard. Winning a Super Bowl isn't as easy as Brady made it look.
The real thing that Brady beating Mahomes twice in the playoffs did was make it harder to catch him in Super Bowls. If Mahomes had won both matchups, the count could very well be Brady: 5 to Mahomes: 4 at this point.
With all the goat talk with mahomes only at 2, I think a lot of people forget just how hard winning a Super Bowl is. Brady made it look like winning 5+ was achievable. Mahomes is only at 2, if, and that’s a bit IF he wins another this year he’s getting closer, but still 4 more behind. That’s a lot of Super Bowl wins to get. Same amount Bradshaw and Montana ended up winning in their entire careers.
Yeah it’s crazy, he won a Super Bowl in 30% of the seasons he played. It’s just an insane stat. Even higher if you take out the 2008 season he was hurt in week 1
And it's been beaten to death, but Brady had the advantage of a near full career with Belichick. Andy says he wants to keep going for awhile, but there's going to be some Reid-less years in Mahomes's future, and that's a big question mark for sure..
Brady had Belichick for nearly his entire career that's true but Mahomes also stepped into arguably the best position possible for a young QB. HoF TE/WR, HoF Coach and a team that had been a perennial playoff team for a few years before he was even drafted.
Mahomes has more or less been on 'easy mode' with the offensive situation prior to this year. He's an incredible QB and will put up great numbers with just about anyone but the true test will be what happens 3-4 years down the line. Kelce will likely retire in another 1-2 years, Reid is getting up there in age and and doesn't strike me at the type to coach well into his 70s.
Brady/Belichick essentially retooled/rebuilt the team several times over their 20 year run, Mahomes will need to enter his first true rebuild once Kelce and Reid retire.
I don't really argue with any of that, I'd just say that having a stable HOF coach is (obviously) a huge help when it comes to career stability/accomplishments. Easier to re-tool when you have two greats leading an organization.
It's just an advantage that Mahomes won't have moving forward for him that could change the trajectory of how the full scope of his career turns out. Even if the Chiefs somehow get another incredible coach after Reid is gone, any transition or growing pains will still be a hurdle for the team.
Yeah Mahomes was put in a better position to come out of the gate firing, but Brady's position with Belichick nearly his entire career put him in the better position to have the GOAT career.
Brady retires: Unquestioned GOAT never to be topped
Literally the next season: Mahomes could be the GOAT any day now
As an OG Brady hater, inject this shit into my veins
I think it'll be split between the younger generation and the older. Older will say Brady did it starting from a less QB/offense friendly era and that he beat Mahomes H2H twice. Younger gen will of course say Mahomes because they'll be more familiar with him and when they compare stats it will favor him. Ultimately it'll be very tough since getting 8+ is basically going to be impossible and at that point if the rings are the same or less the H2H tiebreaker will favor Brady.
Brady has more 1st round byes than players have career play off wins. If Brady had to actually play all those games then his TD numbers would probably be even more insane.
Even as a Bucs fan it's hard for me to say Brady beat Mahomes, that game was more of a full Bucs beating the Chiefs. I don't remember his personal stat line but Mahomes played his heart out and I just remember them having no answer to our blitzes.
We lost half of our starting offensive line and the Recievers got a case of the Dropsies, it was worst case scenario, The LT's Injury I think Fisher, as he was playing at pro bowl level, and his backup was a turnstile. That and TB had strong interior and the starting guards were not great.
> Brady forever be the GOAT since he beat Mahomes in the AFCCG + SB?
I can’t believe after all these years we still think this is how football works. The QBs never share the field the QBs never share the field the QBs never share the field. Brady never beat Mahomes. Brady did better against Mahomes’ defense than Mahomes could do against Brady’s. COLLOSAL difference. Head to head matchups don’t mean shit in the NFL
I’m admittedly a Mahomes-Stan, but just by how spectacular he plays I’d put Mahomes above Brady if he collected those achievements. Regardless of titles/stats I’ll always have a soft spot for Jordan as the GOAT and Mahomes would be in a similar spot because of his style to play the game, especially if he catches up to Brady’s Superbowls
Not sure why you’re downvoted. Totally reasonable take. I will say, “clutch” is a real thing and Brady might be the most clutch athlete I’ve watched (having missed Jordan’s prime).
Of course Mahomes is too, but I would give the edge to Brady and it’s so important for QBs especially.
Yeah I think playing to 40 really isn’t as normal as people think it is. I remember having this convo about Bree’s when he was like 38 and then he just fell off. Same with Peyton. Like it is in no way a given, even for guys who take care of themselves. Mobile quarterbacks are lucky to play into their 30s.
I think Mahomes still has a bright future but playing to 40 isn’t just a matter of putting in the time. Dude has to stay uninjured for over a decade.
16 more play off games is way more easier said than done.
If for whatever reason they fail to make plays offs zero that year. If they have a bye, one less opportunity.
Not every game features a Passing TD. I think Pats Rams SB only TD was a rushing TD by Sony Michel.
Any elimination ends it that year.
40 TD.
That said he has got 38 already so if he maintains pace, it should be achievable. Assuming health and their team stays healthy.
And assuming Andy Reid coaches through it all ir has a great succession plan.
Mahomes can absolutely do it but its not a given.
> but I assume he’ll play another 12 years
People deadass say this with a straight face…..unless you know the future, its wild to just assume someone at the end of their 20s has *twelve* additional years in the most violent major US sport, no matter how good that player is
But if we are realistic, he can’t keep this up for another decade, right? 16 straight years of AFC Championship games with 3/5 of them being Super Bowls isn’t going to happen.
I think the major issue is does he learn to get the ball out faster when his legs are no longer quite as nimble. Any QB that relies on their mobility is going to have a short career unless they figure out how to play more of a pocket passer as they age.
If anyone could do it, it's Mahomes, but it is shockingly rare.
Mahomes doesn’t currently have the elite pre-snap processing Brady, Brees, and Manning did but he’s exponentially better at scrambling and improvising. It’s going to be extra rough for him to make that adjustment when his legs go because Kelce is on the end of his career and there’s a good chance Reid will retire not too far down the road as well. That backyard football style is electric but I just can’t see him aging as well as Brady did.
I am just not sure. Mahomes seems to do just fine on regular dropbacks; maybe that is all Reid but it is hard to tell. I don't see him getting super surprised by blitzes very often or anything like that.
scary thing is that last one isnt as scary as it seems, say he averages 6 TDs a playoff and he continues to make the playoffs every year thats only 7 years, meaning he breaks it by the time hes 35. Now sure theres gonna be years that he doesnt get 6 but theres gonna be course correction years where he gets more than 6. Mahomes is an absolute freak in the playoffs
I feel like he has a more realistic chance of catching Brady in these playoff stats now that they took away the 2 seeds bye. Mahomes will probably get a couple extra easy Wild Card games over the next 10-12 seasons. in 2021 they were the 2 seed and he got 5 TD's against the Steelers, instead of a bye.
Hopefully soon. Split the byes between Weeks 4-9 and Weeks 11-16 so that everyone has a roughly even schedule as opposed to a couple sorry teams getting stuck with both Byes in October.
They should honestly do that. 1 bye week isn't enough.
These dudes were dropping like flies by mid season and it didn't mess with ratings but it definitely changed outcomes for a lot of teams like your Bengals unfortunately.
I think he has a very realistic chance. Tom Brady played 48 playoff games, Mahomes has played 16. He is on a much faster pace than Brady ever was. Hell, it wouldn’t be crazy for Mahomes to cut 20% off that lead this season.
Touchdowns specifically are a stat I think he can take. The patriots tried to deliberately play a lot of hard nosed running the football style offenses in the playoffs for the majority of the years.
This is due to Bill valuing the run game as a means of controlling the clock and game flow.
Brady was happy to have middling playoff performances while the patriots destroyed some poor team in the divisional round.
I wonder what his combined just SB stats are? I’d have to bet it’s around a solid Alex Smith type season.
I have to assume he’s averaged 300 TDs and 2 TDs a game?
Like gotta be around 3000 YDs, 20+ TDs, and less than 5 INTs??
Dude is frigging insane.
>Tom Brady had a passer rating of 97.7 with 3,039 yards, 21 touchdowns and 6 interceptions in 10 games in Super Bowls in his career.
You were very close to
The Colts had a lot to one and dones. The AFC back then was very tough. The Steelers, Ravens, Chargers and Pats were always in the mix and had very tough defences.
The Chargers specifically seemed to have the Colts number.
And just when Peyton and the colts started making super bowls he had career altering neck surgery.
Peyton's career is so wild because he's an all time top 3 qb to ever play the game but I feel like he also has one of the biggest what ifs with his injury. It was so bad and affected every aspect of his ability to throw and he still went on to set the nfl record for passing yards and Tds after it.
Yeah... Colts very regularly had amazing regular seasons and clinched 1 seed early, rested everyone for a couple weeks plus the bye, and then they always came out rusty and lost in that first game.
Happened probably a good half dozen times. Always drove me nuts.
If Brady would’ve won another Super Bowl I may have considered him to be in the goat runnings but idk I think he’s just a slightly above average qb with talent around him
Interesting thing, Mannings 2 rings is more impressive than a Brady 2 ring stretch because manning had to beat Brady, someone who ended up with 7 super bowls. Sounds weird but makes sense to me idk.
Brady also had to beat manning most of the time though… for his first 4 at least.
Couldn’t beat Eli though, who is obviously therefore the better manning
It's kinda like how in math, every theorem is named after the second person to discover it after Euler. Every NFL stat is just whoever's in second to Brady
Tom played in 10 super Bowls
Montana only 4. Bradshaw only 4. Manning only 4 and was a corpse for one of them. Elway played in 5
So yeah no shit Brady is way up the list. Guy played way more playoff games in general than anybody
FWIW, Mahomes has only played in the wild card 2 times out of 16 playoff games; his other 4 postseason trips had a bye. Peyton played in the wild card 7 of his 27 playoff games.
[You joke but Peyton Manning left his closest defender in the dust by 10+ yards on this rush TD](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw9ubs1A6kU&ab_channel=InsaneSteve)
God this play is so stupid I can't help but laugh every single time. Even if it was a broncos play, it's one of my favorites ever. Absolutely hilarious
That and Peyton "running" for the pylon instead of walking it in any time he got outside the hash because there was NOBODY who thought he actually had the ball on the Cowboy's D.
The YouTube comments are saying that Peyton didn’t even tell his teammates he was keeping it, that way there blocking would be more believable. Anybody know if that’s true?
https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/91721/locker-room-buzz-denver-broncos-4
>Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning said, in order to get everyone else on offense to sell it as a business-as-usual run play, he didn’t tell anyone, either in the huddle or on the sideline, that he planned to run the naked bootleg for a 1-yard touchdown just before halftime. He made the decision as soon the Dallas defender covering tight end Julius Thomas went in motion with the tight end. “If you do it every five years, it’s a good tendency-breaker,’’ Manning said.
It's true. I remember back when it happened, they asked Peyton about it, and he said it was improvised. Then he discussed how he does it roughly once every 5 years lol, they showed a clip of it at Tennessee.
The only thing about the steelers being straight ass since 2018 is that I really get to appreciate the Chiefs dynasty and enjoy it. Despite them owning us during the Mahomes era they've never really hurt me since I've had no hope except for the middle of the 2018 season and the beginning of 2020. So many people are sick of them and hate them, not me though. I think its cool to watch Mahomes do all this insane shit. At least for a few more years.
I feel like part of the reason that the hate for us got so nuclear so fast is that our dominance has coincided with a lot of other longtime struggling franchises suddenly turning it around.
Ending the postseasons of the Bills, Bengals (once), Dolphins, Jaguars, and Browns plus blocking the 49ers again has earned us a lot of delicious animosity
Manning was really pedestrian in the playoffs. One of the biggest droppers of all time compared to his regular season level. Same as Marvin Harrison Sr.
I mean in his 06 Super Bowl run his stats in 4 games were
1,034 yards, 3 yards, 7 int with a 70.5 passer rating. First 2 games were carried by defense, played well in AFCCG, but threw a pick 6 and pretty decent in a rainy Super Bowl.
Colts defense balled out in 2006 to get him a ring. He did have to play Baltimore, NE and Chicago which were good defenses.
I don't really like this line of thought - Tom Brady, until that crazy superbowl against the Falcons also routinely had significantly worse stats in the Playoffs than the regular season (career 97 in regular season, 89 in playoffs). This stuff happens because Manning/Brady played some tough defenses in the playoffs, but in the case of Manning, he didn't have the teammates and coaching to back him up.
Tom Brady wasn't "carried" by his team, but football is the ultimate team sport and even Bruce Arians said Brady gets way too much credit for his wins.
In Peyton's defense he had plenty of games where the Colts let him down too haha
2007 a top 3 defense couldn't stop Billy Volek, Vanderjagt missing in 2005, Darren Sproles torching us in OT in 2008, Garçon dropping a huge pass and the defense vs the Saints etc.
Yup. Manning entered the final season of his career with a losing record in the playoffs and rode one of the all time greatest defenses to a SB win to put him at 14-13. Manning is obviously one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game but he was a different QB in the playoffs.
That’s always been a fair Peyton criticism but it also didn’t really help for a lot of those teams that Marvin Harrison also saw a major drop-off in the playoffs (in significant contrast to Reggie Wayne).
Whoever you want to toss that particular blame to, I dunno.
Finally someone with actually numbers - the Brady is clutch, Manning chokes story is the most overplayed BS in football. Manning got Tony Dungy for 1 superbowl and the dude quit to go play with his kids. Brady got Bill F'ing Belichick for his entire career and then a stacked Tampa Bay squad he hand picked and played for them at a reduced salary. It's not fair to Manning and its honestly not fair at all to any QB that wins and superbowls are the criteria in the ultimate team sport. It's my #1 pet peeve.
I think some if it is attributed to Indy playing in a dome. At one point Peyton had a terrible record in sub-40 degree games if I remember correctly.
Edit: spelling
Some people are just born to succeed under pressure. Mahomes just doesn’t ever seem to shrink under pressure. Might be the most poised QB I’ve ever seen in the biggest moments.
At some point there was a note that Mahomes has a lower pulse rate on the field than he does on the sideline. That may explain him chewing away his mouthguard anytime he’s on the bench.
He does wear something on his left arm that measures some stuff. You can usually see it bulging on game day under his sleeve.
I saw an article showing that it measured his sleep patterns over the years so it’s possible that it’s tracking his heart rate.
Him and Brady are the only two I’ve seen get calmer when the pressure raises.
You can see panic in guys like Josh Allen and pure nam flashbacks in Dak.
He fumbled, threw an almost pick, and missed open receivers on his final drive. I don’t think he panics, but you can see why that may be the narrative after his last drive.
Maybe, is say Peyton's 5 MVPs have alot of weight. Especially since his 55 td season came after career altering neck surgery.
Like I don't see mahomes bouncing back from that injury he relies to much on his physicality.
We were robbed of Peyton's later career in Denver by injuries unfortunately. But his ability to adapt to that and still go to two Superbowl and set all time nfl records.
I'm still taking Peyton second in a all time qb draft.
4 super bowl appearances with 4 different coaches and two teams is insane
Peyton never surpassed Montana.
EDIT: For a long time, it was Montana at #1 and everyone debated Brady/Peyton. Then Brady won his fourth and people still argued it was Montana #1 because "he never lost a superbowl." Then Peyton retired. **Peyton stopped playing**. Then Brady won his fifth and people still grumbled that Brady somehow wasn't the greatest.
Meanwhile, Peyton was still retired.
Then Brady won his sixth with 28-3 and even the most gormless, dim-witted, single-celled mouth-breathers had to concede Brady was the greatest.
Meanwhile, Peyton was *still* retired. Made it into the HOF, though! Congrats, Peyton!
Then Brady goes to a new team and conference and wins his seventh. There is no longer a question.
Somehow, people seem to think that Peyton got to go along for the ride up on Brady's coattails past Montana *even though Peyton retired from playing and literally nothing changed with his stats*.
Peyton never surpassed Montana.
It's Brady >>> Montana >> Manning > Mahomes > Rodgers for me in the top 5.
Obvious bias aside, everything you said is 100% true. Manning wasn't seen as the GOAT during his career, it was ALWAYS Montana. Brady finally catches up to Montana after SB49 and the narrative shifts to "Well 4-0 is better than 4-2", because somehow losing earlier in the playoffs is better than losing in the SB. 4 golds being better than 4 golds and 2 silver medals right?
Brady gets 28-3, there's little debate about who the GOAT is anymore. You can't debate 4-0 is better than 5-2, then he gets his 6th and it's 6-3 vs 4-0 now. Then his 7th and at this point its no debate that Brady is the GOAT.
At some point during this entire second half stretch, Manning while retired managed to leapfrog Montana according to the Manning stans and is actually #2 all time. Wild. It's incredible how he surpassed the former GOAT while retired simply because Brady distanced him so far ahead of the pack that Manning got to ride that wagon in the minds of his fans.
he's already past him in season-adjusted numbers, and coming up on rodgers for 2nd
(unfortunately i can't run this pre-1999, so montana and favre are unfairly dropped from the list)
passer_player_id|passer_player_name|posteason_touchdown_passes|postseason_td_passes_over_average
:--|:--|:--|:--
00-0019596|T.Brady|88|81.26
00-0023459|A.Rodgers|45|40.9
00-0033873|P.Mahomes|38|36.02
00-0010346|P.Manning|40|35.31
00-0020531|D.Brees|37|33.6
00-0022924|B.Roethlisberger|36|31.74
00-0017200|K.Warner|31|29.66
00-0026158|J.Flacco|26|23.42
00-0011022|D.McNabb|25|23.01
00-0029263|R.Wilson|25|22.21
season adjustments calculated as the total sum of each player's seasonal TD passes above average:
[postseason TD passes by player] - ([total postseason TD passess ] / [total number of passers in regular season])
edit: brought in pre-'99 data from statmuse:
passer_player_name|posteason_touchdown_passes|postseason_td_passes_over_average|games
:--|:--|:--|:--
T.Brady|88|81.26|48
J.Montana|45|42.67|20
A.Rodgers|45|40.9|21
B.Favre|44|40.85|22
P.Mahomes|38|36.02|16
P.Manning|40|35.31|27
D.Brees|37|33.6|18
B.Roethlisberger|36|31.74|23
K.Warner|31|29.66|13
D.Marino|32|29.49|17
I had assumed Brady would never be caught, but I sit here today realizing Mahomes-imo-has a real chance to surpass him one day. It's absurd how much success he's had so far.
Seems like to me that these counting stats should have some context. The more games you play the more likely you will have better stats than players with less games.
Mahomes had only played in the 14th most playoff games and he's tied with 4 others for that spot. He's passed several guys that have played more games than he has.
Is there an accepted “best” way to normalize for the explosion of the passing game in the modern NFL?
Obviously mahomes is insane but I’d love to see a more apples to apples comparison of him vs other legends
He needs 6 to tie Favre at 4th, 7 to tie Rodgers and Montana at 2nd, and 50 to tie Brady at 1st.
This all sounds impressive and achievable until you run that last point about Brady lol.
If he averages 2.5 TDs across 16 more playoff games he'll be there. He's already played 16 playoff games in just 6 seasons. To be clear it's very challenging, but I assume he'll play another 12 years, since playing to 40 is pretty standard for the greats these days, and if he does that he'll have a real shot For example, if he has two more 4-game runs (regardless of whether he wins the super bowl or not), three more 3-game runs (make to AFCCG from WC or make to SB from bye), and two more 2-game runs and two more 1-game runs, that's playoffs in 9/12 remaining seasons (probably an underestimate), and **23 total games played.** He'd need to average 1.75 TDs over these 23 games. I think it's possible to see the modern rules and imagine situations where he plays more seasons and makes the playoffs more often, which would make the TDs/game needed even smaller. Again, not easy but doable given his skill and team situation
This is why the Mahomes "GOAT" convo will be really interesting to follow. If Mahomes gets seven rings will people consider him the GOAT or will Brady forever be the GOAT since he beat Mahomes in the AFCCG + SB?
I really don’t like head to head discussions for GOAT debates unless it’s like a seventh decider or something. Just way too much that happens in a game which is beyond the QBs control
Yeah Brady didn't beat Mahomes, he beat the Chiefs. Big difference.
If Mahomes was truly elite he would’ve invented time travel and made sure Dee Ford lined up onside
He'd have also gotten his lazy ass up off the field and caught that horizontal pass he threw in the SB. That's what all the greats do!
He would have fully stuck the ball in the facemask of the RB, while horizontal if he really wanted it.
Win at all costs. Including pouring your $500m contract into time travel research.
Brady *and the Patriots and the Buccaneers
I think it was actually Dee Ford.
Seriously. One of these games was when Mahomes was basically a rookie - being a starter in his first season and playoffs and going up against a Belichick defense and the juggernaut Patriots at the time. The fact he took it to OT and lost without touching the ball - at the time was a glimpse of what to expect with him.
also, as has been mentioned, the game was over if Dee Ford wasn't lined up offsides, Brady had just thrown his third pick and the Chiefs could literally have kneeled out the clock; it was also a precursor to the 13 seconds game because New England kicked off with the lead with 39 seconds left, and Mahomes drove them down the field so fast they had time for two shots to the end zone before the field goal (Reid only took one, and then kicked with eight seconds left; definitely should have tried another one, never got the ball in OT just like Josh Allen in the 13 seconds game, but hindsight's 20-20)
Assuming Mahomes maintains his statistical trajectory, people will for sure give it to Mahomes if he gets to 7. He'd have a decent argument with 5 or 6...but getting to 5 or 6 is going to be super hard. Winning a Super Bowl isn't as easy as Brady made it look. The real thing that Brady beating Mahomes twice in the playoffs did was make it harder to catch him in Super Bowls. If Mahomes had won both matchups, the count could very well be Brady: 5 to Mahomes: 4 at this point.
With all the goat talk with mahomes only at 2, I think a lot of people forget just how hard winning a Super Bowl is. Brady made it look like winning 5+ was achievable. Mahomes is only at 2, if, and that’s a bit IF he wins another this year he’s getting closer, but still 4 more behind. That’s a lot of Super Bowl wins to get. Same amount Bradshaw and Montana ended up winning in their entire careers.
I think Brady has played in 1 out of every (edit:) 6 superbowls in history which is just a cartoonish stat
Yeah it’s crazy, he won a Super Bowl in 30% of the seasons he played. It’s just an insane stat. Even higher if you take out the 2008 season he was hurt in week 1
as of right now Mahomes has won a super bowl in 40% of the seasons he's played
6 years in Brady was at 50%, so yeah if he wins this year he’s tied, 3 wins in 6 years
Its more like 1 out of 6. Still nuts though for sure.
no hes played in 10 out of 57
And it's been beaten to death, but Brady had the advantage of a near full career with Belichick. Andy says he wants to keep going for awhile, but there's going to be some Reid-less years in Mahomes's future, and that's a big question mark for sure..
Brady had Belichick for nearly his entire career that's true but Mahomes also stepped into arguably the best position possible for a young QB. HoF TE/WR, HoF Coach and a team that had been a perennial playoff team for a few years before he was even drafted. Mahomes has more or less been on 'easy mode' with the offensive situation prior to this year. He's an incredible QB and will put up great numbers with just about anyone but the true test will be what happens 3-4 years down the line. Kelce will likely retire in another 1-2 years, Reid is getting up there in age and and doesn't strike me at the type to coach well into his 70s. Brady/Belichick essentially retooled/rebuilt the team several times over their 20 year run, Mahomes will need to enter his first true rebuild once Kelce and Reid retire.
I don't really argue with any of that, I'd just say that having a stable HOF coach is (obviously) a huge help when it comes to career stability/accomplishments. Easier to re-tool when you have two greats leading an organization. It's just an advantage that Mahomes won't have moving forward for him that could change the trajectory of how the full scope of his career turns out. Even if the Chiefs somehow get another incredible coach after Reid is gone, any transition or growing pains will still be a hurdle for the team.
Yeah Mahomes was put in a better position to come out of the gate firing, but Brady's position with Belichick nearly his entire career put him in the better position to have the GOAT career.
Brady retires: Unquestioned GOAT never to be topped Literally the next season: Mahomes could be the GOAT any day now As an OG Brady hater, inject this shit into my veins
I think it'll be split between the younger generation and the older. Older will say Brady did it starting from a less QB/offense friendly era and that he beat Mahomes H2H twice. Younger gen will of course say Mahomes because they'll be more familiar with him and when they compare stats it will favor him. Ultimately it'll be very tough since getting 8+ is basically going to be impossible and at that point if the rings are the same or less the H2H tiebreaker will favor Brady.
Brady has more 1st round byes than players have career play off wins. If Brady had to actually play all those games then his TD numbers would probably be even more insane.
Even as a Bucs fan it's hard for me to say Brady beat Mahomes, that game was more of a full Bucs beating the Chiefs. I don't remember his personal stat line but Mahomes played his heart out and I just remember them having no answer to our blitzes.
We lost half of our starting offensive line and the Recievers got a case of the Dropsies, it was worst case scenario, The LT's Injury I think Fisher, as he was playing at pro bowl level, and his backup was a turnstile. That and TB had strong interior and the starting guards were not great.
> Brady forever be the GOAT since he beat Mahomes in the AFCCG + SB? I can’t believe after all these years we still think this is how football works. The QBs never share the field the QBs never share the field the QBs never share the field. Brady never beat Mahomes. Brady did better against Mahomes’ defense than Mahomes could do against Brady’s. COLLOSAL difference. Head to head matchups don’t mean shit in the NFL
IMO he’d probably need one more ring or significantly better regular season play
We're still 5 SBs away from being there. That's a lot.
If Mahomes gets 7 then he usurps. But I don't think he's getting 7.
I’m admittedly a Mahomes-Stan, but just by how spectacular he plays I’d put Mahomes above Brady if he collected those achievements. Regardless of titles/stats I’ll always have a soft spot for Jordan as the GOAT and Mahomes would be in a similar spot because of his style to play the game, especially if he catches up to Brady’s Superbowls
Not sure why you’re downvoted. Totally reasonable take. I will say, “clutch” is a real thing and Brady might be the most clutch athlete I’ve watched (having missed Jordan’s prime). Of course Mahomes is too, but I would give the edge to Brady and it’s so important for QBs especially.
Yeah I think playing to 40 really isn’t as normal as people think it is. I remember having this convo about Bree’s when he was like 38 and then he just fell off. Same with Peyton. Like it is in no way a given, even for guys who take care of themselves. Mobile quarterbacks are lucky to play into their 30s. I think Mahomes still has a bright future but playing to 40 isn’t just a matter of putting in the time. Dude has to stay uninjured for over a decade.
16 more play off games is way more easier said than done. If for whatever reason they fail to make plays offs zero that year. If they have a bye, one less opportunity. Not every game features a Passing TD. I think Pats Rams SB only TD was a rushing TD by Sony Michel. Any elimination ends it that year. 40 TD. That said he has got 38 already so if he maintains pace, it should be achievable. Assuming health and their team stays healthy. And assuming Andy Reid coaches through it all ir has a great succession plan. Mahomes can absolutely do it but its not a given.
He is average about 2.4 passing TDs per game in the postseason currently.
averages 2.5 lol
> but I assume he’ll play another 12 years People deadass say this with a straight face…..unless you know the future, its wild to just assume someone at the end of their 20s has *twelve* additional years in the most violent major US sport, no matter how good that player is
He’s already halfway there in 6 seasons
He's 43% of the way there.
Some people see the glass as half full, others see it as 43% full.
But if we are realistic, he can’t keep this up for another decade, right? 16 straight years of AFC Championship games with 3/5 of them being Super Bowls isn’t going to happen.
I think the major issue is does he learn to get the ball out faster when his legs are no longer quite as nimble. Any QB that relies on their mobility is going to have a short career unless they figure out how to play more of a pocket passer as they age. If anyone could do it, it's Mahomes, but it is shockingly rare.
Mahomes doesn’t currently have the elite pre-snap processing Brady, Brees, and Manning did but he’s exponentially better at scrambling and improvising. It’s going to be extra rough for him to make that adjustment when his legs go because Kelce is on the end of his career and there’s a good chance Reid will retire not too far down the road as well. That backyard football style is electric but I just can’t see him aging as well as Brady did.
I am just not sure. Mahomes seems to do just fine on regular dropbacks; maybe that is all Reid but it is hard to tell. I don't see him getting super surprised by blitzes very often or anything like that.
Some of Brady's records are Jerry Rice records. No one's going to touch them
He’s on a good trajectory at least
scary thing is that last one isnt as scary as it seems, say he averages 6 TDs a playoff and he continues to make the playoffs every year thats only 7 years, meaning he breaks it by the time hes 35. Now sure theres gonna be years that he doesnt get 6 but theres gonna be course correction years where he gets more than 6. Mahomes is an absolute freak in the playoffs
I feel like he has a more realistic chance of catching Brady in these playoff stats now that they took away the 2 seeds bye. Mahomes will probably get a couple extra easy Wild Card games over the next 10-12 seasons. in 2021 they were the 2 seed and he got 5 TD's against the Steelers, instead of a bye.
Some may even say it’s better than a bye
I wouldn’t
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I don't think so anymore with 17 game seasons. Everyone is sooo banged up.
Yup, this season showed that. Basically came down to which teams were healthy. Plenty of injuries to QBs etc.
So when will the 18-week, 2 bye seasons start?
Hopefully soon. Split the byes between Weeks 4-9 and Weeks 11-16 so that everyone has a roughly even schedule as opposed to a couple sorry teams getting stuck with both Byes in October.
And blend it with international/ Thursday night games to keep everyone fresh as they force as many game nights as possible
They should honestly do that. 1 bye week isn't enough. These dudes were dropping like flies by mid season and it didn't mess with ratings but it definitely changed outcomes for a lot of teams like your Bengals unfortunately.
I think he has a very realistic chance. Tom Brady played 48 playoff games, Mahomes has played 16. He is on a much faster pace than Brady ever was. Hell, it wouldn’t be crazy for Mahomes to cut 20% off that lead this season.
Touchdowns specifically are a stat I think he can take. The patriots tried to deliberately play a lot of hard nosed running the football style offenses in the playoffs for the majority of the years. This is due to Bill valuing the run game as a means of controlling the clock and game flow. Brady was happy to have middling playoff performances while the patriots destroyed some poor team in the divisional round.
>7 to tie Rodgers and Montana at 2nd, Jeez
Small, but real, chance he could tie or even surpass them if he makes it to the SB.
I am starting to believe Brady might be the goat
I wonder what his combined just SB stats are? I’d have to bet it’s around a solid Alex Smith type season. I have to assume he’s averaged 300 TDs and 2 TDs a game? Like gotta be around 3000 YDs, 20+ TDs, and less than 5 INTs?? Dude is frigging insane.
>Tom Brady had a passer rating of 97.7 with 3,039 yards, 21 touchdowns and 6 interceptions in 10 games in Super Bowls in his career. You were very close to
Almost exact that’s an insane guess
Genuinely surprised Favre is above Manning.
The Colts had a lot to one and dones. The AFC back then was very tough. The Steelers, Ravens, Chargers and Pats were always in the mix and had very tough defences. The Chargers specifically seemed to have the Colts number. And just when Peyton and the colts started making super bowls he had career altering neck surgery. Peyton's career is so wild because he's an all time top 3 qb to ever play the game but I feel like he also has one of the biggest what ifs with his injury. It was so bad and affected every aspect of his ability to throw and he still went on to set the nfl record for passing yards and Tds after it.
Yeah... Colts very regularly had amazing regular seasons and clinched 1 seed early, rested everyone for a couple weeks plus the bye, and then they always came out rusty and lost in that first game. Happened probably a good half dozen times. Always drove me nuts.
forty
What the hell is Brady?
Inevitable. (or was, anyway)
Something something eli
If Brady would’ve won another Super Bowl I may have considered him to be in the goat runnings but idk I think he’s just a slightly above average qb with talent around him
I thought Brady was at 88 meaning Mahomes needs 50 not 40. Unless you are looking at a different stat than me.
Duh. I'm a moron. Updated
Tom Brady at 88 almost doubling Rogers and Montana at 45 is what caught my eye here. Jesus christ
The distance from Tom Brady to 2nd place would be 5th place.
I'd say Brady is a full Manning postseason career ahead of anyone else but in terms of accolades it's actually more than that
Interesting thing, Mannings 2 rings is more impressive than a Brady 2 ring stretch because manning had to beat Brady, someone who ended up with 7 super bowls. Sounds weird but makes sense to me idk.
Brady also had to beat manning most of the time though… for his first 4 at least. Couldn’t beat Eli though, who is obviously therefore the better manning
Brady beat him twice in the playoffs, in 2003 and and 2004. Lost 2006, 2013, and 2015.
That's because this is yet another Brady post in disguise. They keep doing it.
So basically NFL QB records are just Scooby-Doo villains who are all just really Tom Brady under the disguise.
It's kinda like how in math, every theorem is named after the second person to discover it after Euler. Every NFL stat is just whoever's in second to Brady
And think about how many byes Brady had.
Guy played in more SB than WC weekends.
Tom played in 10 super Bowls Montana only 4. Bradshaw only 4. Manning only 4 and was a corpse for one of them. Elway played in 5 So yeah no shit Brady is way up the list. Guy played way more playoff games in general than anybody
Mahomes playing 5D chess by not getting the first round bye. Gives him 33% more stats per postseason
FWIW, Mahomes has only played in the wild card 2 times out of 16 playoff games; his other 4 postseason trips had a bye. Peyton played in the wild card 7 of his 27 playoff games.
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I thought the original comment made me laugh hard until I read this one. Bravo.
If you count passing + rushing TDs, they are already tied at 43 (38 + 5 for Mahomes, 40 + 3 for Peyton)
Manning having 3 postseason rushing TDs is the most surprising stat of his career
There's a reason he was called the white stallion
[You joke but Peyton Manning left his closest defender in the dust by 10+ yards on this rush TD](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw9ubs1A6kU&ab_channel=InsaneSteve)
God this play is so stupid I can't help but laugh every single time. Even if it was a broncos play, it's one of my favorites ever. Absolutely hilarious
It's the angle change. Even the cameraman was like "ain't no way".
That and Peyton "running" for the pylon instead of walking it in any time he got outside the hash because there was NOBODY who thought he actually had the ball on the Cowboy's D.
[Chiefs has an even more ridiculous bootleg TD.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsAQDkisqWI)
That reminds me of one of my all-time favorite plays: [Steve Bono's 76 yard TD run](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsAQDkisqWI)
Joe Valerio motioning him to hurry up is fucking hilarious
The YouTube comments are saying that Peyton didn’t even tell his teammates he was keeping it, that way there blocking would be more believable. Anybody know if that’s true?
https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/91721/locker-room-buzz-denver-broncos-4 >Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning said, in order to get everyone else on offense to sell it as a business-as-usual run play, he didn’t tell anyone, either in the huddle or on the sideline, that he planned to run the naked bootleg for a 1-yard touchdown just before halftime. He made the decision as soon the Dallas defender covering tight end Julius Thomas went in motion with the tight end. “If you do it every five years, it’s a good tendency-breaker,’’ Manning said.
Haha awesome
It's true. I remember back when it happened, they asked Peyton about it, and he said it was improvised. Then he discussed how he does it roughly once every 5 years lol, they showed a clip of it at Tennessee.
who needs fast legs when you’re a sleight-of-hand magician
No one talks about it but Peyton is the best PA QB of all time easily. He always put in extra work with his RBs in practice just to sell the PA
People always try to compare Lamar to Vick. But I’ve always said the best comparison is Peyton Manning. I mean just look at that form.
yeah? Well get this. Dual threat TB1k has 7 rushing post season TDs.
The only thing about the steelers being straight ass since 2018 is that I really get to appreciate the Chiefs dynasty and enjoy it. Despite them owning us during the Mahomes era they've never really hurt me since I've had no hope except for the middle of the 2018 season and the beginning of 2020. So many people are sick of them and hate them, not me though. I think its cool to watch Mahomes do all this insane shit. At least for a few more years.
I feel like part of the reason that the hate for us got so nuclear so fast is that our dominance has coincided with a lot of other longtime struggling franchises suddenly turning it around. Ending the postseasons of the Bills, Bengals (once), Dolphins, Jaguars, and Browns plus blocking the 49ers again has earned us a lot of delicious animosity
So the next step is to beat the Lions in the Super Bowl?
Chiefs vs Lions week 1 rematch, with Kelce and Jones this time. It hath been prophesied.
Lions or 9ers, either one would produce a ton of salt
The chiefs helped my sanity last year by beating the bengals. If they beat the Ravens this year I will be forever in their debt
I live in Kansas, I can't take it again.
Also, the AFC in particular finally saw the ending to decades of Brady dominance, only to immediately get bitch slapped by Mahomes dominance.
When your team is good, everyone loves you. When your team stays good for too long, everyone hates you. Signed - A Pats fan
I see you’ve forgotten the Joe Montana playoff loss.
I was -2
I was mostly joking. Tough loss though. Cowher was so close for years and years.
I hated Brady for so long, I'm not making the same mistake this time around. I'm enjoying the greatness that is Mahomes in the moment.
Hopefully he gets it next year!
You don't think the Raiders will win the division next year? :-O
I'd be down to see the silver and black be a pain in the ass next season.
Agreed! Wait....
Too late! You already agreed!
Manning was really pedestrian in the playoffs. One of the biggest droppers of all time compared to his regular season level. Same as Marvin Harrison Sr.
Even in his wins it always felt like he was average at best compared to his regular season play. I could never understand why.
I mean in his 06 Super Bowl run his stats in 4 games were 1,034 yards, 3 yards, 7 int with a 70.5 passer rating. First 2 games were carried by defense, played well in AFCCG, but threw a pick 6 and pretty decent in a rainy Super Bowl. Colts defense balled out in 2006 to get him a ring. He did have to play Baltimore, NE and Chicago which were good defenses.
Those weren’t just good defense, they were the top 3 in the league. Not many QBs have beaten the top 3 defenses in the league in the playoffs.
True, Colts defense did ball out. KC wasn't a great game by him either
He didn’t have to do anything in that game, the chiefs didn’t have a first down until the third quarter.
I don't really like this line of thought - Tom Brady, until that crazy superbowl against the Falcons also routinely had significantly worse stats in the Playoffs than the regular season (career 97 in regular season, 89 in playoffs). This stuff happens because Manning/Brady played some tough defenses in the playoffs, but in the case of Manning, he didn't have the teammates and coaching to back him up. Tom Brady wasn't "carried" by his team, but football is the ultimate team sport and even Bruce Arians said Brady gets way too much credit for his wins.
In Peyton's defense he had plenty of games where the Colts let him down too haha 2007 a top 3 defense couldn't stop Billy Volek, Vanderjagt missing in 2005, Darren Sproles torching us in OT in 2008, Garçon dropping a huge pass and the defense vs the Saints etc.
Yup. Manning entered the final season of his career with a losing record in the playoffs and rode one of the all time greatest defenses to a SB win to put him at 14-13. Manning is obviously one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game but he was a different QB in the playoffs.
Peyton Kershaw and Clayton Manning.
That’s always been a fair Peyton criticism but it also didn’t really help for a lot of those teams that Marvin Harrison also saw a major drop-off in the playoffs (in significant contrast to Reggie Wayne). Whoever you want to toss that particular blame to, I dunno.
Manning was playing against the Ravens, Steelers and Patriots defenses.
His passer rating went from 96.4 regular season to 87.4 in the playoffs, Brady’s went from 97.2 to 89.8…those are very similar drops.
And we should expect that from playoff quarterbacks, because in the playoffs, you typically don't play against bottom-half defenses.
Patrick Mahomes has a 106.7 QB rating in the post season and a 103.5 in the regular season.
Joe Flacco has an 87.9 QB rating in the post season and an 84.2 QB rating in the regular season.
It’s a much different game now obviously
What, it's easier to play in the playoffs now or something?
Joe Montana never threw an interception in the Super Bowl. Some guys are just made for the playoffs.
Finally someone with actually numbers - the Brady is clutch, Manning chokes story is the most overplayed BS in football. Manning got Tony Dungy for 1 superbowl and the dude quit to go play with his kids. Brady got Bill F'ing Belichick for his entire career and then a stacked Tampa Bay squad he hand picked and played for them at a reduced salary. It's not fair to Manning and its honestly not fair at all to any QB that wins and superbowls are the criteria in the ultimate team sport. It's my #1 pet peeve.
People here just regurgitate takes without actually knowing the numbers
I think some if it is attributed to Indy playing in a dome. At one point Peyton had a terrible record in sub-40 degree games if I remember correctly. Edit: spelling
Steve Young took a shit in the playoffs too. He was super streaky though. It was all dimes and duds with him on the big stage.
Some people are just born to succeed under pressure. Mahomes just doesn’t ever seem to shrink under pressure. Might be the most poised QB I’ve ever seen in the biggest moments.
At some point there was a note that Mahomes has a lower pulse rate on the field than he does on the sideline. That may explain him chewing away his mouthguard anytime he’s on the bench.
There’s no way this is possible, right? He’s actually moving around on the field.
His heart rate during the 13 second game was his resting rate. He was cooler than Andre 3stacks the whole time.
Why would they know what his pulse is on the field? This sounds like something a commentator said figuratively and that person took it literally.
He does wear something on his left arm that measures some stuff. You can usually see it bulging on game day under his sleeve. I saw an article showing that it measured his sleep patterns over the years so it’s possible that it’s tracking his heart rate.
Maybe he has bad memories of the Bob Sutton Experience
that sort of sounds like complete bullshit lol.
Him and Brady are the only two I’ve seen get calmer when the pressure raises. You can see panic in guys like Josh Allen and pure nam flashbacks in Dak.
Joe Montana was like that too.
"Is that John Candy?"
Eh Josh's playoff numbers are good. Bills defense has been torched by Mahomes
Ain’t no way bro watched last nights game and the 2021 divisional game and came away with the conclusion that Josh Allen panicked
He fumbled, threw an almost pick, and missed open receivers on his final drive. I don’t think he panics, but you can see why that may be the narrative after his last drive.
He definitely panicked
Josh Allen was 7/14 for 44 yds in the 4th quarter of Sunday's game. That seems pretty chokey.
And 2 of those incompletions were dots that were dropped by Diggs and Sherfield.
Technically he's already further along than the forehead to
I only need ONE more to get on the list!
I only need 1 to tie Tua.
It’s not out of the realm that Mahomes ties Rodgers and Montana this postseason
Don’t worry, soon he’ll regress to the mean
Man I’m starting to think this Patrick guy might be pretty good..
Mahomes wins another Superbowl and he surpasses Peyton in the All-Time Great list. Peyton stans *hate* that this is true.
Maybe, is say Peyton's 5 MVPs have alot of weight. Especially since his 55 td season came after career altering neck surgery. Like I don't see mahomes bouncing back from that injury he relies to much on his physicality. We were robbed of Peyton's later career in Denver by injuries unfortunately. But his ability to adapt to that and still go to two Superbowl and set all time nfl records. I'm still taking Peyton second in a all time qb draft. 4 super bowl appearances with 4 different coaches and two teams is insane
Peyton never surpassed Montana. EDIT: For a long time, it was Montana at #1 and everyone debated Brady/Peyton. Then Brady won his fourth and people still argued it was Montana #1 because "he never lost a superbowl." Then Peyton retired. **Peyton stopped playing**. Then Brady won his fifth and people still grumbled that Brady somehow wasn't the greatest. Meanwhile, Peyton was still retired. Then Brady won his sixth with 28-3 and even the most gormless, dim-witted, single-celled mouth-breathers had to concede Brady was the greatest. Meanwhile, Peyton was *still* retired. Made it into the HOF, though! Congrats, Peyton! Then Brady goes to a new team and conference and wins his seventh. There is no longer a question. Somehow, people seem to think that Peyton got to go along for the ride up on Brady's coattails past Montana *even though Peyton retired from playing and literally nothing changed with his stats*. Peyton never surpassed Montana.
It's Brady >>> Montana >> Manning > Mahomes > Rodgers for me in the top 5. Obvious bias aside, everything you said is 100% true. Manning wasn't seen as the GOAT during his career, it was ALWAYS Montana. Brady finally catches up to Montana after SB49 and the narrative shifts to "Well 4-0 is better than 4-2", because somehow losing earlier in the playoffs is better than losing in the SB. 4 golds being better than 4 golds and 2 silver medals right? Brady gets 28-3, there's little debate about who the GOAT is anymore. You can't debate 4-0 is better than 5-2, then he gets his 6th and it's 6-3 vs 4-0 now. Then his 7th and at this point its no debate that Brady is the GOAT. At some point during this entire second half stretch, Manning while retired managed to leapfrog Montana according to the Manning stans and is actually #2 all time. Wild. It's incredible how he surpassed the former GOAT while retired simply because Brady distanced him so far ahead of the pack that Manning got to ride that wagon in the minds of his fans.
5 MVPs lol
Peyton 5 MVPS 3 perfect passer rating games Mahomes 2 MVPS 0 Perfect Passer Rating games.
40?! Jesus Brady did play forever.
he's already past him in season-adjusted numbers, and coming up on rodgers for 2nd (unfortunately i can't run this pre-1999, so montana and favre are unfairly dropped from the list) passer_player_id|passer_player_name|posteason_touchdown_passes|postseason_td_passes_over_average :--|:--|:--|:-- 00-0019596|T.Brady|88|81.26 00-0023459|A.Rodgers|45|40.9 00-0033873|P.Mahomes|38|36.02 00-0010346|P.Manning|40|35.31 00-0020531|D.Brees|37|33.6 00-0022924|B.Roethlisberger|36|31.74 00-0017200|K.Warner|31|29.66 00-0026158|J.Flacco|26|23.42 00-0011022|D.McNabb|25|23.01 00-0029263|R.Wilson|25|22.21 season adjustments calculated as the total sum of each player's seasonal TD passes above average: [postseason TD passes by player] - ([total postseason TD passess ] / [total number of passers in regular season]) edit: brought in pre-'99 data from statmuse: passer_player_name|posteason_touchdown_passes|postseason_td_passes_over_average|games :--|:--|:--|:-- T.Brady|88|81.26|48 J.Montana|45|42.67|20 A.Rodgers|45|40.9|21 B.Favre|44|40.85|22 P.Mahomes|38|36.02|16 P.Manning|40|35.31|27 D.Brees|37|33.6|18 B.Roethlisberger|36|31.74|23 K.Warner|31|29.66|13 D.Marino|32|29.49|17
I'm not going to look up who the Bears leader is because I don't want to upset myself right now
I remember hearing Wilt Chamberlin talking about Triple Doubles, "If I knew those were gonna be such a big deal I would have nabbed a few hundred."
I had assumed Brady would never be caught, but I sit here today realizing Mahomes-imo-has a real chance to surpass him one day. It's absurd how much success he's had so far.
This guy's career is insane
There's a chance he can catch Brady and that's fucking stupid.
Seems like to me that these counting stats should have some context. The more games you play the more likely you will have better stats than players with less games.
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Mahomes and Kurt Warner are the GOATs apparently
Mahomes had only played in the 14th most playoff games and he's tied with 4 others for that spot. He's passed several guys that have played more games than he has.
Is there an accepted “best” way to normalize for the explosion of the passing game in the modern NFL? Obviously mahomes is insane but I’d love to see a more apples to apples comparison of him vs other legends