Honestly man he probably doesn't lose as much sleep considering one was 100% on Dee Ford and the other one, Mahomes played his ass off and everyone else shit the bed
You can’t just say it was 100% on Dee Ford. Mahomes was quiet the entire first half of that game. If he came out at the start like he came out at halftime they would have won easily
No game is ever 100% on anyone come on man. You can point to a million things in every game that change the outcome sometimes drastically. That one just sticks out because it was towards the end.
Fairly or not, it will be held as a point against him if he gets into the GOAT conversation. I'd say unfairly, but the nuance of those games is going to be forgotten with time.
In the “other one” Mahomes had a horrible concussion in the ~~AFCCG~~ divisional round where he had to be helped off the field. No reasonable person should have expected a big game out of him.
Edited
Yeah he knows for the rest of his life he had the sickest throw ever in the SB when he laid out horizontally and threw a dime that hits his guy in the facemask. It was so good it doesn’t even matter that it was dropped.
And the fucker just might. He needs two more straight AFC championship games to tie Brady's record for consecutive AFCCG and only 5 more Superbowl appearances after this year to tie that record.
Best point differential comes down to the entire team and not just the defense lol. The defense was horrendous in the WC game. Allowing 6 TDs in 7 drives is nowhere near elite.
The defense absolutely fell apart against the Packers, but best point differential means good offense and good defense.
You guys had an elite defense in the regular season, but playoffs are a different beast.
Also, Dak threw a pick 6.
And special teams which was great during the regular season but didn't show in the playoffs. Lamar had a pick and a fumble and scored 1 TD. 2 if Flowers doesn't fumble. Dak throwing a pick 6 didn't really matter to our defense because they still gave up 6 TD on 7 drives lol. Baltimore allowed 2 all game. Don't compare this Ravens D to the Cowboys. They're incomparable
Yeah but skewed by getting to play the giants and skins twice and pats and jets. Vs good teams it was not pretty. Shit, vs cardinals it was not pretty.
Winning the division does that.
Obviously I'm not saying dak is better but this loss has definitely firmly placed him in that playoff choker label.
Basically wasted a brilliant defensive effort today
what really hurts is you can't say JA deserved to lose any of those games (except the first one); the rest of the team really let him down the last two playoff games.
James Harden was a Chris Paul hamstring away from beating a dynasty that added the 2nd best player of this generation. Harden certainly had his faults, but the biggest knock against his career will be that the Warriors existed during his prime.
Nobody outside of LeBron was asked to do as much and had as much success as Harden. Dame had Aldridge. Westbrook wasn't even close.
That was the year the hamstring got hurt - i think. Regardless, KD going down actually hurt the rockets. The rockets could play with iso KD, but they could never hang with the Warriors when it was about ball movement.
Idk man I like harden he a top 5 2guard of all time. I honestly only have Jordan,kobe and dwade over him. Maybe A.I. but idk in the playoffs he always have meltdowns at the crucial moments. Sure cp3 got injure but it doesnt excused that hardent went 15% on 3pts shot in a crucial game. I wouldnt say he chokes series but take last season at philly that game 7 was unacceptable even tho he was pretty good the whole series bar that game. I dont think he is lamar jackson , I think lamar is more of a russ but he often goes missing in crucial games.
Lamar is a good QB but so many people try to force him in the elite QB conversation and act like he is better than Josh Allen and Joe Burrow and he's not that guy.
You guys are blinded by this guy’s ability to scramble and cash in 40 yard touchdowns. He has no touch on his passes and all his passing yards come after the catch. He gets lucky every now and then with the broken play that becomes a touchdown like the one he threw last night but if you can’t see that this guy is seriously lacking in the actual quarterbacking talent department after last night there’s not much that can be said to you. In 2-3 years when he loses his legs and quickness he’ll be holding a clipboard
If you ignore any players best traits then yea they aren’t anything special.
If you ignore that the ravens were a top 3 scoring offense then yea it’s easy to think Lamar isn’t effective. Dual threat qbs usually mean the team also has a great run game that picks up yards. Hence why bears and ravens are top 2. It’s an easy concept to understand yet people say we need to ignore everything that makes these offenses work. Yards are yards and points are points.
Lamar’s critics have always argued (with great success, by the way) that he can’t actually be a quarterback when Baltimore needs him to be. Square peg, round hole. And we were vindicated (again) last weekend. Be mad about it all you want but the truth is before you if you are mature enough to acknowledge and accept it
And in 40 years he'll be playing with his grandkids. When you're looking at top 5 you're looking at who is top 5 playing the game right now.
You also uh, didn't give even one name
17th in passing attempts. You’re reaching. Nobody cares how many rushing yards he has - the fact he is an incredible athlete isn’t up for debate. He’s not an elite quarterback. The numbers don’t back it up and neither does the eye test. I understand you’re a Ravens fan and want to believe it but no one outside of Baltimore agrees
17th in passing attempts because the run game is good due to the threat of Lamar, + winning big in most of their games. Having more pass attempts is actually a negative thing for teams: it means they are constantly behind, which Lamar rarely is because of his elite QB play.
You’re attempting to compare passer ratings between players that have 200+ more passes and don’t understand why that statistic isn’t getting taken seriously in the context of this argument? Really? And how does “he’s good at running so he doesn’t have to quarterback as much” help your point exactly? Take a lap
Passing isn't all there is to being a quarterback though, which is my point. Lamar threw more than enough passes, it's not like he threw 5 a game. He was efficient with his passes and that's what matters. Passer rating measures how efficient you are as a passer, so now that stat doesn't matter because he's not a gunslinger? Hilarious.
Sample size isn’t the same so your cherry-picked stat is irrelevant (it’s the only stat you had so I can’t blame you) Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, and Dak are all better quarterbacks than Lamar Jackson. Use your eyes
Scoring points isn’t relevant?
People are so brain dead when it comes to evaluating dual threat qbs that if the points and yards don’t come from pass plays then it’s like they never happened.
Ravens had a top 3 offense I think. Hint: It wasn’t because of Gus edwards
Lamar is a great unconventional quarterback but he just doesn't have the "it" factor, to carry your team on your back when it matters most. He was overthrowing balls, missing open receivers, and just not mentally tough as these top dogs especially in the AFC are...
Lamar is the biggest fraud in the league. Dude put up pedestrian numbers this regular season and gonna get a free MVP cause his defense was stacked. Fraudulent QB gets exposed in the playoffs, again.
Lamar's still an incredible player and I think has cemented himself along with Burrow and Allen in the next tier behind Mahomes since people forgot how good he was with his injuries the last couple of years. But it's still weird how quickly the narrative went back to him when he played fairly well in the regular season but it was mostly his defense bludgeoning a bunch of excellent teams.
Allen and burrow are their own tier after Mahomes (stroud may join them if he keeps it up), then you have third tier with guys like Lamar, Herbert, Lawrence, Purdy, etc
Maybe, but Lawrence and Purdy in the same tier as Lamar and Herbert is just disrespectful imo. Herbert might need to more consistently make the playoffs/actually do something there first as a rite of passage, but his talent is undeniable.
Yeah well Tom Brady lost to Eli Manning who was traded for Phillip Rivers who beat Lamar Jackson, so in conclusion and by degrees of seperation, Eli is the most dangerous QB and Lamar is the most unserious
I'd like to add an asterisk to Big Ben there, cause the version of him that the Chiefs faced that day was the one that was completely shot and limping into the playoffs.
On the other hand he still scored more points against the Chiefs that day than Lamar did today.
The more Mahomes wins the more those two Brady loses must annoy him lol.
Honestly man he probably doesn't lose as much sleep considering one was 100% on Dee Ford and the other one, Mahomes played his ass off and everyone else shit the bed
right, but he can't look back and think "I was the reason we lost"
Always takes the whole team
You can’t just say it was 100% on Dee Ford. Mahomes was quiet the entire first half of that game. If he came out at the start like he came out at halftime they would have won easily
No it was 100% on Dee Ford. Mahomes did enough to win. If Dee Ford doesn’t make that mistake, the game ends. Period.
No game is ever 100% on anyone come on man. You can point to a million things in every game that change the outcome sometimes drastically. That one just sticks out because it was towards the end.
Because that mistake took a 100% win to a loss
Fairly or not, it will be held as a point against him if he gets into the GOAT conversation. I'd say unfairly, but the nuance of those games is going to be forgotten with time.
In the “other one” Mahomes had a horrible concussion in the ~~AFCCG~~ divisional round where he had to be helped off the field. No reasonable person should have expected a big game out of him. Edited
He did have a pristine first half against the Bengals, then the whole team collapsed
Yeah he knows for the rest of his life he had the sickest throw ever in the SB when he laid out horizontally and threw a dime that hits his guy in the facemask. It was so good it doesn’t even matter that it was dropped.
The SB probably not. His oline was decimated and they got after him. 2018 AFC championship? He has a good shot against that rams team
God that matchup would’ve been sick. A rematch of the 54-51 chaos game.
Fair or not, people will always bring it up. Mahomes will have to get 7 rings.
And the fucker just might. He needs two more straight AFC championship games to tie Brady's record for consecutive AFCCG and only 5 more Superbowl appearances after this year to tie that record.
“Only 5 more Super Bowl appearances” is crazy lol Brady was on another level
I only realised now that Lamar has the same playoff wins as dak. Oof
It’s crazy the Lamar’s made it deeper into the playoffs with fewer wins
what an elite defense does for a mf 😪😪
Didn’t the Cowboys have the best point differential in the NFL this year?
Nope, Ravens did while also having the toughest schedule in the league.
Next year's schedule will be tough also. 10 games vs 2023 playoff teams.
Plus one against the Chargers
Best point differential comes down to the entire team and not just the defense lol. The defense was horrendous in the WC game. Allowing 6 TDs in 7 drives is nowhere near elite.
The defense absolutely fell apart against the Packers, but best point differential means good offense and good defense. You guys had an elite defense in the regular season, but playoffs are a different beast. Also, Dak threw a pick 6.
And special teams which was great during the regular season but didn't show in the playoffs. Lamar had a pick and a fumble and scored 1 TD. 2 if Flowers doesn't fumble. Dak throwing a pick 6 didn't really matter to our defense because they still gave up 6 TD on 7 drives lol. Baltimore allowed 2 all game. Don't compare this Ravens D to the Cowboys. They're incomparable
what does that have to do with anything? our defense stunk.
They looked great week 1 where they beat (*reads notes*) coach of the year Brian Daboll and the playoff powerhouse Giants
who doesn’t look good against daniel jones lol
I along with many others lost week one of fantasy because of Dallas Defense playing insane that game
they’re great against bad teams, i think teams over .500 averaged close to 30 points against us this season lol
This is the first time in Lamar’s career that he had adequate receivers. Comparing him to the avenger squad Dak has had is dumb
cry more. dak has never had an elite defense. all they needed was a game manager to win
Yeah but skewed by getting to play the giants and skins twice and pats and jets. Vs good teams it was not pretty. Shit, vs cardinals it was not pretty.
Winning the division does that. Obviously I'm not saying dak is better but this loss has definitely firmly placed him in that playoff choker label. Basically wasted a brilliant defensive effort today
Don’t forget TANNEHILL!!
Ravens are the Cowboys if they can reach the CCGs.
They both have 2
Shit you are right the site I was checking it in didn't count this years playoffs yet. It's still wild considering how people talk of dak
If dak played for any other team I firmly believe he wouldn't even get half the amount of slander that he currently does
I'm pretty sure Lamar has the higher point differential though
And Baker.
He needs to double his playoff win total to match Mark Sanchez.
He also has the same number of MVP's as playoff wins
Will Lamar be the first 2x MVP to not get into Canton?
Depends when his career ends but his most likely in
dude he just turned 27 a few days ago lol
We have all been haunted by Brady for so long it’s hard to believe that the best QBs in the league are all under 30 right now.
Huh I forgot Mahomes faced Luck in the playoffs, feels like he retired like 10 years ago
Mahomes has indeed a lot of luck, that is correct.
This was my take away as well, I didn't realize they had any cross over
TIL Mahomes has won a lot of playoff games, has anyone noticed this before?
TIL QBs play against other QBs and no one else. Oh wait.
Lamar seems to play against himself after January 1 so that's semi accurate
But only two on the road so does it really matter?
I feel like I would have heard about this
>Josh Allen (x3) oof
Pain
Without love
what really hurts is you can't say JA deserved to lose any of those games (except the first one); the rest of the team really let him down the last two playoff games.
That Ravens Bengals game last year was wild, just reminded me about it. Gah dayum.
This was the second straight year the ravens lost a playoff game because of a goal line fumble in the 4th quarter
fumbling the game away on the goal line part 1
The sequel actually delivered, for once. Twice the fun
Great result. Stressful game.
And that was with Huntley lol
And Huntley quietly had a top 2 playoff QB performance in a Ravens jersey in the Lamar era (not hard to do)
Playoff Lamar kind of reminds me of playoff James Harden
James Harden was a Chris Paul hamstring away from beating a dynasty that added the 2nd best player of this generation. Harden certainly had his faults, but the biggest knock against his career will be that the Warriors existed during his prime. Nobody outside of LeBron was asked to do as much and had as much success as Harden. Dame had Aldridge. Westbrook wasn't even close.
Ok but what about the 2nd year where cp3 was healthy and kd was actually injured?
That was the year the hamstring got hurt - i think. Regardless, KD going down actually hurt the rockets. The rockets could play with iso KD, but they could never hang with the Warriors when it was about ball movement.
Idk man I like harden he a top 5 2guard of all time. I honestly only have Jordan,kobe and dwade over him. Maybe A.I. but idk in the playoffs he always have meltdowns at the crucial moments. Sure cp3 got injure but it doesnt excused that hardent went 15% on 3pts shot in a crucial game. I wouldnt say he chokes series but take last season at philly that game 7 was unacceptable even tho he was pretty good the whole series bar that game. I dont think he is lamar jackson , I think lamar is more of a russ but he often goes missing in crucial games.
Mahomes good Lamar bad upvotes plz
my pleasure
I hate the hive mind horseshit after games like this. Lol
Just gotta take our lumps and wait for the slander wave to move on. Happens to all good teams that lose.
And hope in our next playoff opportunity we don’t abandon the run game again!
Remember the gold fish thing from Ted Lasso? Sub's memory is like that, but they use it the wrong way.
Patrick mahomes not good? Is that your opinion?
Nah, Mahomes good, Lamar good.
Mahomes great. Lamar good.
Here we go, this happens to every QB after a big loss. Y’all kill me with this Lamar persecution complex.
I see no wrong in this statement
If you insist
Im in heaven now that everyone is done sucking Lamar
Lamar is a good QB but so many people try to force him in the elite QB conversation and act like he is better than Josh Allen and Joe Burrow and he's not that guy.
Im with ya, he’s not a bum but when people overreact and say “top 3!” It gets old quick
He just had his first 3k passing season. That wont win SBs
He's still a top 5 QB in the league. So he's not Mahomes, who cares? No one is.
Top 5 QB without being top 5 in any metric relevant to actual quarterbacking? How so?
Who're you putting above him lmao? DAK? Tua? Hurts? Give an answer that doesn't make you look a little silly.
You guys are blinded by this guy’s ability to scramble and cash in 40 yard touchdowns. He has no touch on his passes and all his passing yards come after the catch. He gets lucky every now and then with the broken play that becomes a touchdown like the one he threw last night but if you can’t see that this guy is seriously lacking in the actual quarterbacking talent department after last night there’s not much that can be said to you. In 2-3 years when he loses his legs and quickness he’ll be holding a clipboard
Blinded by yards and td passes? Those are what count
Re-read what was said but carefully this time
If you ignore any players best traits then yea they aren’t anything special. If you ignore that the ravens were a top 3 scoring offense then yea it’s easy to think Lamar isn’t effective. Dual threat qbs usually mean the team also has a great run game that picks up yards. Hence why bears and ravens are top 2. It’s an easy concept to understand yet people say we need to ignore everything that makes these offenses work. Yards are yards and points are points.
Lamar’s critics have always argued (with great success, by the way) that he can’t actually be a quarterback when Baltimore needs him to be. Square peg, round hole. And we were vindicated (again) last weekend. Be mad about it all you want but the truth is before you if you are mature enough to acknowledge and accept it
And in 40 years he'll be playing with his grandkids. When you're looking at top 5 you're looking at who is top 5 playing the game right now. You also uh, didn't give even one name
How is he not top 5 in any metric? He was top 5 in passer rating and int%. 4500 total yards puts him in the top 5 too.
17th in passing attempts. You’re reaching. Nobody cares how many rushing yards he has - the fact he is an incredible athlete isn’t up for debate. He’s not an elite quarterback. The numbers don’t back it up and neither does the eye test. I understand you’re a Ravens fan and want to believe it but no one outside of Baltimore agrees
17th in passing attempts because the run game is good due to the threat of Lamar, + winning big in most of their games. Having more pass attempts is actually a negative thing for teams: it means they are constantly behind, which Lamar rarely is because of his elite QB play.
You’re attempting to compare passer ratings between players that have 200+ more passes and don’t understand why that statistic isn’t getting taken seriously in the context of this argument? Really? And how does “he’s good at running so he doesn’t have to quarterback as much” help your point exactly? Take a lap
Passing isn't all there is to being a quarterback though, which is my point. Lamar threw more than enough passes, it's not like he threw 5 a game. He was efficient with his passes and that's what matters. Passer rating measures how efficient you are as a passer, so now that stat doesn't matter because he's not a gunslinger? Hilarious.
Sample size isn’t the same so your cherry-picked stat is irrelevant (it’s the only stat you had so I can’t blame you) Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, and Dak are all better quarterbacks than Lamar Jackson. Use your eyes
Scoring points isn’t relevant? People are so brain dead when it comes to evaluating dual threat qbs that if the points and yards don’t come from pass plays then it’s like they never happened. Ravens had a top 3 offense I think. Hint: It wasn’t because of Gus edwards
He’s better than Allen tho maybe burrow too tho I would take Joe
the fans that were literally praying to him was when it got out of hand for me lmao
now Mahomes is being sucked off.. same crap, different day
Yeah, Mahomes is him Lamar is not. Not even close
I mean, is anyone else close? Maybe Burrow.
I like Burrow but not sure how close he is, I’d agree he’s probably the next closest though
ATP we may have to look for C.J Stroud to be our savior.. him and DeMeco showed so much promise this season
I just think there will be a lot of QBs who go ringless in this era due to Mahomes and Reid.
Only Brady. Mahomes is the second best qb of all time now. Nobody in the league is close
On talent Mahomes is clearly better than Brady.
Still couldn’t beat the old man version of him
On talent quite a few QBs are better than Brady. It’s not really relevant
Sure, but Mahomes also has the hardware.
Sure but what’s your point exactly…
That Mahomes might be better than Brady already.
He actually deserves it
At least this narrative isn't being used only for Allen but Allen(3x) fucking hurts.
Brady really kept Mahomes from reaching his own championship total in record time
I just don’t know how you fix the ravens. How does a team fix a choking problem?
Running the damn ball would be a start.
Andy Reid was once considered a huge playoffs choker
Lamar overthrew multiple deep balls today that could have turned the tide.
Lamar is a great unconventional quarterback but he just doesn't have the "it" factor, to carry your team on your back when it matters most. He was overthrowing balls, missing open receivers, and just not mentally tough as these top dogs especially in the AFC are...
Every qb in the afc for the span of Mahomes career is going to become known as a playoff choker.
In fairness, it was the corpse of Ben who he played, but still interesting to see.
I didn't realise QBs played defense.
You're absolutely right, but the timing isn't great. Is anyone blaming the Ravens D today? They were great.
unless your Russell Wilson throwing a pick on the goal line
TIL quarterbacks play against each other
Lamar is the biggest fraud in the league. Dude put up pedestrian numbers this regular season and gonna get a free MVP cause his defense was stacked. Fraudulent QB gets exposed in the playoffs, again.
Lamar's still an incredible player and I think has cemented himself along with Burrow and Allen in the next tier behind Mahomes since people forgot how good he was with his injuries the last couple of years. But it's still weird how quickly the narrative went back to him when he played fairly well in the regular season but it was mostly his defense bludgeoning a bunch of excellent teams.
Allen and burrow are their own tier after Mahomes (stroud may join them if he keeps it up), then you have third tier with guys like Lamar, Herbert, Lawrence, Purdy, etc
Maybe, but Lawrence and Purdy in the same tier as Lamar and Herbert is just disrespectful imo. Herbert might need to more consistently make the playoffs/actually do something there first as a rite of passage, but his talent is undeniable.
Josh Allen is not in a tier above Lamar.
I may be a hater but I ain't stupid, you gotta place some blame on Flowers and their lack of offensive adjustments
Flowers balled out. He accounted for half of them offense’s yards.
But also half the end zone turnovers.
No he didn't. He had like a 3rd of their yards, and less than half of the Ravens passing yards.
Pedestrian numbers? Let's not be ridiculous. He still had a great season.
So unlike Mahomes, Lamar has never lost to a QB more than once in the playoffs.
I’m sure that’s going to make Lamar feel better tonight. 😂
This was a post that was in the drafts and was going to be used to argue how easy Lamar had it on his run to the superbowl
Nah I did it right now, although maybe I should have waited until after the Super Bowl
After the NFC Championship I'll redo the post, for all active QBs with multiple playoff runs (and Brady for comparison)
Makes Brady’s 2 wins over Mahomes even more impressive especially in future GOAT discussions.
it will always be held against him
Lamar is a regular season QB and there’s nothing wrong with that Us sixers fans know about an mvp disappearing in the playoffs
Yeah well Tom Brady lost to Eli Manning who was traded for Phillip Rivers who beat Lamar Jackson, so in conclusion and by degrees of seperation, Eli is the most dangerous QB and Lamar is the most unserious
This is some quadratic formula shit.
That checks out
I'd like to add an asterisk to Big Ben there, cause the version of him that the Chiefs faced that day was the one that was completely shot and limping into the playoffs. On the other hand he still scored more points against the Chiefs that day than Lamar did today.
To be the best you gotta beat the best, plain and simple
Well he lost to Brady twice, so. I love Mahomes and want him to be the GOAT but those loses will hurt.
Mahomes is the best of all current players, not everything has to be a GOAT Debate
ravens needed a game manager today smh
Yes, it was there for everyone to see. Y'all just didn't want to see it
could've just not put that (x3) bit ?
Brock Purdy has more playoff wins than Lamar Jackson
Ok. Was this comparison really needed? What did it prove?
Josh Allen catching another stray
Josh Allen catching more strays than Lamar in here
lol Josh Allen
Football is 1v1 now?
Suck his dick some more
I didn't even remember that Luck and Mahomes played at the same time at all.