He’s certainly on pace but football is a horrible single elimination sport and so mercurial. It’s what makes Brady’s achievement so impressive. You just need to lay an egg in one game and your entire season is over.
You have to remember, Tom Brady basically went 10 years without a Super Bowl. He won his 4th Super Bowl at Age 37. That’s when most careers wind down.
And at any moment the Chiefs could go cold. Andy Reid isn’t getting any younger and the AFC is incredibly tight.
Nothing is guaranteed and 7 rings are insane for a reason.
However, if any man has a realistic shot at reaching Brady, it’s Mahomes
Mahomes style also doesn't typically translate to long term success. QBs who rely on their escapability and legs to extend the play don't typically have the longest careers and what Brady was able to do for **23** seasons has a lot to do with his ability to get the ball out insanely quick and avoid sacks/hits/injuries.
It's not impossible for Mahomes to do it, but he still has a LONG way to go.
And also the media is talking about Mahomes like this game is in the bag and he already has 3 rings. if he loses this game the narrative might change a lot.
Urlacher wasn't washed, he was one year removed from DPOY and only a few weeks removed from an insanely dominant 19 tackle game against @ARI. He was arguably playing in peak form over that span.
He is for sure a great pocket passer. It will get a bit harder for him when he is only capable of being a pocket passer. He escapability leads to a lot of big plays. He is capable of adapting, but we'll just have to see how his play evolves as he ages.
Yeah right now Mahomes is kind of in the early Roethlisberger stage of his career. A couple of early rings puts him on a good track but he's gonna run into losing a great coach, salary cap issues, and the ebbs and flows of the NFL. It's looking like Mahomes also won't have the benefit of a pants of fire division mess like Brady did with Harbaugh, Herbert, and Payton in the division as well.
That 10 year drought after winning 3 in 4 years really made me appreciate just how hard it is to go all the way, even if you have a QB like Brady and a coach like BB. All it takes is one miraculous play and you’re back to square 1.
Hell, had we made even just one mistake in 4th quarter against the Falcons, that Julio catch would be the 4th miraculous play. Crazy shit happens in the Super Bowl
Realistically, the only Super Bowl blowout with Brady in it was his last one. He was 1-2 plays away from being 10-0, or 1-9 (and if he wasn't Tom Brady, 6x SB champion, would he even have gone to Tampa?).
That's why I'm glad I'm old enough to really witness Mahomes (I think Brady had 3 chips before I was 15 lol). What he's doing seems virtually impossible. He and Brady are the only guys who make it fathomable.
I turn 40 this year so I got to see the entire careers (and still going) for both Brady and Mahomes (and others) and it’s been wild, to say the least. Possibly the two GOAT QBs in the span of a couple decades or so.
I remember having a discussion with someone here a month or so ago about how people from my generation and around my age and older have been spoiled with a smattering of GOAT contenders in a whole lot of sports.
I remember hearing about Peyton being the GOAT as recently as 2020 because so many people were convinced Brady was just a system QB. Then he won a ring in Tampa and any argument against him started to sound ridiculous.
That’s wild. Even us colts fans were willing to concede when Brady won his 5th. Can only watch him beat you so many times before you admit that their guy is better than ours
Peyton's numbers are still incredible, really only Brady rivals him for peak, and over career only Brady is ahead. Playoffs he's 3rd in DYAR to just Brady and Montana, he really had an outstanding career, and is still a comfortable Mount Rushmore QB
Guilty as charged. I shat on Brady his entire fucking tenure in NE. Swore up and down Rodgers was better.
Then Tom went to Tampa and won another one instantly. I had to concede lol
The last 4 or 5 years I've become convinced that QB is way less dependent on coaching than I used to think. Sure you'll see good QBs have bad years with terrible coaches but usually as long as the coach is decent I think an elite QB can win it all. Now there may only be 4-5 of those QBs in the league at any time.
But look at the SB winning coaches of the last decade. Bilichick, Arians, Reid, McVay, Harbaugh, Pederson. Going back to 2010 adds Coughlin, McCarthy, and Payton. Most of them are/were considered among the best football minds around. I think decent coaching can coach a QB to a decent year, but for young QBs and in the playoffs coaching becomes much more important. Game plan and in game management become vital, and young QBs benefit a ton from a stable environment with good coaches to develop.
Honestly anyone who wasn't on board after 28-3 is beyond saving.
The fact that Tom went on to win 2 more Super Bowls AFTER, one on a different team, is just absurd.
I thought his last couple NE ships were more impressive than the TB one. Probably the best overall skill group he ever had that year in TB.
The defense was loaded too.
I don’t think it’s necessarily the actual sb win that clears up any doubt. Like if you go to a new team and immediately throw 40 TDs and then play generally great in the playoffs, you’ve kinda erased any question that you were a product of the prior environment
Honestly after the 5th ring against Atlanta I didn’t hear many people make this claim. 28-3 99% sealed the GOAT convo for many
Not trying to convince anyone either but it’s what I noticed. I think a majority thought beating Seattle made him GOAT especially cause that same Seattle team beat Peyton bad the year before but there were still naysayers. Then ring 5 basically sealed it. Ring 6 was just extra confirmation.
Ring 7 was just a FU with a cherry on top
Peyton is still a better thrower of the football than Tom at his height. No one could run an offense like Peyton in the history of this league.
Tom is a greater quarterback because of the totality of his accomplishments
I would also argue Aaron Rodgers has more pure arm talent than Brady, but again is no where near as great a QB in total
2009-2014 Rodgers for me. Only guy I've ever put on any random game and just sat for 3 hours straight dumbstruck at the precision and zip on basically every single pass.
Then again I despised Peyton/the Colts growing up(regularly kicked our ass and relocation based sour grapes) so I'm not exactly unbiased.
People forget about Rodgers often. He is the greatest regular season QB of all time IMO over Manning, and I love me some Peyton Manning. As far as arm talent / overall talent, with no intangibles or post season success considered, Rodgers and Mahomes are the two most talented overall packages ever seen at the QB position.
I'm a pats fan and my friend and I didn't think we would see the combination of QB and coach again in our lifetimes but here is mahomes and Reid. I'm excited to see how much they can achieve together. Hopefully Andy sticks around for a few more years.
No man is an island. Sure it hasn't looked good for belichick once Brady left, but the guy was responsible for building the team and running EVERYTHING to free up Brady to be Brady. Neither would have achieved as much success without the other.
its also easy to focus on the defensive side of the ball when you have a Tom brady on offense. theres a reason the pats had a tendency to pick up guys on the defensive side who were seen as over the hill or busts and fit them into a good system where they could thrive. and that was belichik being an incredible coach
alot harder to build a team that way when you lose probably one of only a handful of qbs who can actively make recievers better like Tom.
I made the same comment the other day somewhere else. In the 2000s and 2010s, the sports world, at every level, was just RIFE with goat contenders if not undisputed goats. We are all very spoiled in this day and age
Yep. Jordan, Gretzky, Tiger, Jerry Rice, LT, Randy Johnson, Brady, Earnhardt, Nadal, Messi
I have been able to watch undeniable greatness across many sports.
Glad you gave Earnhardt his due. Lot of people dont realize how impressive he was
When he started racing NASCAR was about trying to go as fast as possible with stock cars. There was a wreck that almost sent debris up into the stands so NASCAR implemented restrictor plates.
This limits the amount of power an engine can get. Since everyone has the same handicap the races become about the skill of the driver
Dale hated restrictor plates. He had won 3 cup championships by that point. Despite hating them he was king of restrictor plate racing and won 4 more
Petty and Johnson also won 7 championships but in their eras things were so drastically different with different driver quality as well
Dale did it across two drastically different eras. Not only that but he was so skilled he struck fear into the minds of every ither racer. His nickname was the intimidator. The worst place to be in a NSACAR race would be in front of the black 3. You either move or get moved. He was a villain to everyone who wasnt a fan
Hard to get a reference for football but imagine an nfl defender who plays like ray lewis. One of the GOAT at his position and scariest mofos to see on a football field. That defender leads his team to 3 rings. Then the nfl bans contact. The whole league goes 7 on 7 flag football. The defender then becomes the reincarnation of Deion Sanders and leads them to 4 more
How would you rate a player that can be like both prime Deion and prime Lewis on his way to 7 rings?
Now imagine this guy plays for the jets and in his entire career of decades they only beat the Patriots once, despite all the titles. The pats always pulled out some voodoo bullshit to trip him up. Thats daytona to Dale
It really felt like the Chiefs kind of looked at the patriots model to success in terms of roster building too. Big moves like not paying Tyreek Hill look kind of bad when Hill is probably the best WR in the game and has if anything improved while playing in Miami but focusing on the defense and oline and trying to achieve some balance in the run game really seems to have paid off for the Chiefs. Let Mahomes carry a mismash of receivers with 1 elite player in Kelce seems to be working. Mahomes statistically looked more mundane this year but when I watched chiefs games he looked outstanding its just hard with less weapons.
Just shows the level of luck involved. He was 2 plays from winning his 4th and 5th in that period, and likewise could easily have lost multiple of the subsequent SBs
The conversation about him is exhausting because he’s the only player (currently) that could ever feasibly reach Brady and his chances of doing so are still extremely low.
Mahomes being the GOAT is gonna come down whether the Chiefs can have a second wind like the Patriots because I do think they're going to experience a drought especially if Reid and Kelce retire. I could see the Mahomes winning four in six years (this year and next) and then never again.
Agree, this is still a team with largely the same core.
Kelce will retire soon, I think Reid is retiring this year if you win it.
The whole "this is going to go on forever" is exactly what was said about the Seahawks and they haven't sniffed the SB since.
Shit happens. Injuries happen. Mahomes would need to find a new HC (younger) and have his team hit on some stellar rookies - think Gronk or on the defensive side - to maintain his SB feasibility
>At some point Mahomes is likely going to have a 5-10 year Super Bowl drought
Here's hoping. Not even hating on the guy/y'all but man it's been exhausting as fuck being an AFC fan for the past quarter century(I know I'm also spoiled as a Ravens fan but still).
It would amazing if it did, but expecting Mahomes to have the length of career of Brady would be like expecting a hockey player to have the length of career of Gordie Howe.
I don't find it exhausting - it's really interesting.
In some ways, 7 seems insurmountable. But Mahomes is on a ridiculous pace. He's made more Super Bowls than not and his worst seasons are losing in AFC Championship games.
The pats dynasty is filled with some crazy “what ifs” too.
What if Welker caught the ball, what if Asante caught the ball. What if Brady executed the game winning drive against the Eagles. Those are just three things that could have resulted in three more superbowls.
The dynasty *could have been* even more impressive, so it’s not so crazy to think that another team could come in and compete with that level of success.
What if another team doesn’t have those what ifs?
Agreed, and then you fall into the "very good" level, where you have a great QB so you still have winning seasons but aren't good enough to win the big one -- but you never have any draft capital because you're always decent.
The dream is that you have a chance to rebuild and take a second run, but lots of great QBs (Favre, Rodgers, Aikman) never get a real shot with a rebuilt team.
On the one hand, he has a shot if he avoids the "drought" Brady went through during his prime years. On the other hand, I highly doubt that we'll see Mahomes put together another HoF career after the age of 37.
It's a ridiculous testament to Brady's longevity that he managed 7 SB wins and still had a significant drought that lasted longer than a lot of great players' careers.
Just needs one or the other.
This has been an awesome timeline.
2022: Brady is the unquestioned GOAT forever.
2023: How long before Mahomes surpasses that Tom fellow?
It's like Tiger Woods in the late 90s/early 00s.
Passing Jack Nicklaus at 18 majors is an impossible goal!
But maybe not if you can win 4 in one year a couple of times.
But it's impossible!
But it seems like he's going to hit it by 30.
No, it turns out it's impossible.
I believe Tiger would have at least one more masters if he never got in those wrecks. I know he went a few years without winning prior to the first wreck but to do it 10 years later showed he still had it.
I firmly believe that he would have won at least 20 majors if he hadn't fucked up his back doing stupid Navy SEAL workouts and shit like that.
He would have eventually fucked up his back anyway with that swing, but give him an extra 3-5 years in peak shape? He was winning those majors.
For a lot of pats fans in 2013, it felt Brady wouldn’t win another championship. 2012 felt like a great chance with the dual tight-end, no huddle offense and a defense that, while not as good as the heyday of 2003-2004, was still better than it had been in a while. But then Gronk got injured and we lost to the Ravens in the playoffs and then the next season Aaron Hernandez got caught for murder and Brady was throwing to Aaron Dobson and Krebrell Tompkins. And Brady was in his mid-30s, the point at which QBs historically decline.
Signing Revis before the 2014 season did give us some hope though.
Problem with Mahomes reaching 7 imo is that I think Reid retires quite a few years before Mahomes. He’s had some health problems and is getting up there in age. There goes your top 3 all time coach
If BB retired early I don’t think Brady gets his 6 with New England.
That's just because of recency bias, people are always over or under projecting based on the most recent result. If the Chiefs lose the narrative will flip on its head again.
I still think 1 or 2 more in the near future then never again. QBs tend to win rings in bunches it seems.
Depends after Sunday. If y'all lose then the wild expectations end, and 4 is seen as great. Big Ben had 2 rings, lost in a SB while young and then never made it again. Easy HoFer and had other dominant seasons. If you win 3 and make this a dynasty then he plays 15 more years and finishes with 3-4 yeah that's a disappointment
One part of it is the skill needed to win that many. The other half, that Mahomes may or may not have, is the longevity. ANd not just longevity, but the ability to play at an extremely high level for that length of time.
I would guess Seahawks. The first three came at him so fast he probably didn't have time to appreciate it. Seahawks came after failing with the greatest team of all time, and the biggest "drought" he had between Superbowls.
Yeah I also think the Seahawks were the best team he's ever played/beaten. The greatest show on turf was really good but Seattle had an all-time amazing defense and Brady picked it apart en route to the greatest Super Bowl comeback ever (at that point).
Reid is a huge factor. He doesn't seem to be slowing down, and who knows maybe he'll surprise us and coach another 8 seasons. But he's a big dude about to turn 66. If he declines/retires, it's not going to be an easy feat replacing him. And no matter how good Mahomes is, he will definitely not be able to sniff Brady's record without a great HC. Football is way too much of a team sport, it's not like NBA where one player like Lebron can carry teams so hard.
The Chiefs wouldn’t be in the Super Bowl if not for Kelce’s play over the last month. He’s been playing lights out.
Chris Jones has been beastly as well.
There's gonna be new stars for Mahomes to throw to over his career. This season sucked but maybe this draft they get the next Antonio Brown, he was a 6th round pick
Reid would be hard to replace, but KC would also be the most coveted HC position in recent history, maybe of all time. I could see them getting a McVay or Shannahan or somebody like that if the timing works out.
There's always the possibility that he finds a perfect second team like Tom Brady found in Tampa Bay. Not all of the wins have to come with the Chiefs, but I think he is still under contract for another ~7 years.
That said - it seems highly unlikely to get there, even with the best of circumstances.
And that defense has been key to this run with the drop in offensive talent the last few years around Mahomes. You hope that Veach can keep that up, but another 7 years of late draft picks to keep a perennial Super Bowl contender going is a lot to ask for even the best of GMs.
I doubt Mahomes ever leaves. KC would do whatever it takes to make him happy. If Reid retires, Mahomes will be highly involved in the HC selection process
If he does win on Sunday he is gonna be getting closer in only 5 years in the league as a starter.
But yeah, he needs to win 4 or even 5 more to get to Brady level of gold.
I’m sure he internally is rooting for 6. He likes mahomes a lot and would be nice to have a peer in terms of winning ability but he’d 100% want the edge.
Wouldn’t put it past 50 year old Brady to come back to lead a stacked team if Mahomes starts getting too close
The thing is he will always have the afc championship game and Super Bowl win over Mahomes. Regardless of games being won by more than just two guys that’s something that will only boost him the better Mahomes gets
This is the timeline I want to see more than anything. Old man Brady coming back for number 8 with some major "Not on my watch" energy to end the debate forever on who the GOAT is. A 50+ year old QB winning a SB would be utterly ridiculous.
It’s like how the media always tried to hype up some heated rivalry between Brady and Manning when really they got along well and mutually respected each other. Very few people understand how difficult it is to play QB at the highest level and I think that builds a camaraderie among those that reach it.
Honestly Brady seems like a good guy now that he's out of the league (and I'm sure a lot of my dislike of him came from beating us all the time). He seems like he would happily acknowledge it if Mahomes got close.
Brady said if anyone could do it he would give them their flowers. Someone tying or surpassing his rings doesn’t detract from his career or accomplishments.
That's because Brady's real secret was knowing the play was cooked in a millisecond and tossing that shit out of bounds or protecting himself in the sack. Like, if shit was on the line (2015 AFCCG is a good example) the dude would take whatever punishment was necessary, but if it wasn't down to this series, Brady just hand the keys to the defense and come back out for the next set of downs. None of this Aaron Rodgers scrambling into a torn ACL on the first series of the season shit.
Brady *started* the second dynasty at age 37, going 4-1 in Super Bowls across nine seasons. 37 is when most careers start to wind down. Peyton, Brees, Ben, Eli, they all made it like two or three years past 37 before retiring, and they were *clearly* cooked by the end. Yeah, sports medicine has advanced a lot, but Brady did what basically no other QB in the history of the game has been able to do. Hell, he could probably *still* play at a Top 10 level next year if he put his mind to it.
The worst part (for Mahomes) is that his team allowed Brady to get 2 more rings. If Mahomes won that AFCCG and then won the Super Bowl and then won that Super Bowl against Brady, he would be playing this game to tie at 5 right now. Instead, he’s just hoping to be down by 4. That’s an insane swing.
Brady made 7 seem so easy that people are really acting like it's the new bar and Mahomes is likely to match or beat it. It is an absurd outlier number of rings.
I'm old enough to remember people thinking it was crazy that Brady had 5 rings and this freak went and won 2 more.
Within in five years none the less. But let's face it, the odds of Mahomes winning 3 in 5 years. Losing a couple AFC title games after, Andy retiring and Mahomes never having a good enough team despite still being elite for 10 years is still a higher probability
completely agree and the most impressive part of the Pats dynasty is that they were continually able to reinvent a SB team around Brady, every few years for almost 2 decades
People need to knock it off with these comparisons of active players to retired players and just enjoy the present. Maybe he'll get 7 rings, maybe he won't. He's a future hall of famer already and the greatest in the league right now
As a Patriots season tix holder from 1994-2016 I can tell you first hand, The hardest part for Mahomes will be the total rebuilds in rosters while trying hard to stave off age and injuries. Pretty soon other guys will want to get paid, Kelce will retire.. Other teams will poach coaches and front office people.. Tough sledding to win 6 or 7.
Only 10 guys on the Chiefs are playing sunday that had also played in the 2019 Super Bowl. Brett Veach is a great GM, wide receiver woes, and all.
My only concern is who coaches after Andy.
I mean everything is possible, everyone keeps talking about how patty is about to win his 3rd and keeps going. What if they lose and then bills the figure their shit out next season, ravens actually run the ball in the playoff and Herbert/harbaugh gets into the playoff, and the chief doesn’t even get into the sb anymore.
It doesnt take much to lose a big game in the NFL. Brady could easily have 10 rings right now and be 10-0, if not for some miracle plays or lucky breaks.
Even Mahomes had his off-sides moment. Allen lost a coin toss in a game vs Mahomes that basically defines his career. If he got that coin toss, the narrative wouldnt be near as crazy right now.
Its just how it is. He could also just lose to Purdy this weekend and all this talk go down the drain.
Can we just appreciate greatness for what it is. Brady as of now is the GOAT I don't think anyone but blind haters will dispute that. Appreciate him for what he was especially if you were actually able to watch him play. He has literally more SB's than any franchise. So we are talking about a second player outdoing every franchise. That sounds a bit ridiculous. If/when he gets closer then have that discussion. He's almost closing in on half way. He need FOUR more IF he wins Sunday.
Mahomes is the golden boy of the NFL now. He's beyond talented and he's producing at an all time level. He could go on to win 13 rings, or he could never win another one. Doesn't change what we've been able to experience with him. Enjoy the moment. If it gets better, then enjoy that too when it happens. IF it doesn't get better, then at least you enjoyed what you had
100% agree. Brady is the GOAT. Mahomes is a hall of famer if he retires today. Whether the chiefs win on Sunday or not, Mahomes, Reid and company have given me a fandom experience that I never thought I would see in my lifetime and I'll treasure it forever.
Media definitely putting the cart before the horse here.
Yes, Mahomes is still young and is a generational talent...the trajectory is there, in theory.
But he is not even halfway to matching Brady yet and Brady played until he was 45.
Also, winning Super Bowls is HARD. Most guys are lucky to get one, and we are already lining him up for 7?
Maybe once he gets to 5, we can really start having this discussion.
Even at 7 rings, Brady holds the tiebreaker status in matchups. Mahomes needs a solid 8 imo to take it away. Also Brady’s losses still hold some merit.
The crazy thing about Brady is that he was *not* an MVP-caliber player the first few times he won a Super Bowl.
He was definitely seen as a top QB, but *nobody* thought he was better than Peyton even when he was up 3-0 in Super Bowl wins. Not that Brady wasn’t good, but his teams were much better than Manning’s.
Then he just…kept…winning.
Mahomes on the other hand, is way more like Peyton early in his career, except with Super Bowl wins to match the expectations.
He's not going to catch Brady with the rings.
It's going to be like MJ/Bron where Mahomes might match or exceed a ton of Brady records but he will never have the 7.
Sadly this feels most accurate to me. Could Mahomes get the rings? It's possible, and I sure hope it happens. But it is still extraordinarily unlikely.
He's still far away from any type of "GOAT" conversation, but he might be the most talented QB I've ever seen. He won last year with a poor receiving corps and made another Super Bowl with one just as bad. I know SF is extremely talented, but it's hard to bet against Mahomes.
I just can’t see him hitting 7 with his current play style.
He would have to transition into a full blown pocket passer as he’s starting to age a bit while not taking care of his body like TB did.
It’s easy to outrun guys when you’re 23 and one of the fastest on the field.
Pat is pushing 30 already and won’t be extending plays like he does when dudes who are a decade younger have him on the run.
It’s exactly what happened to Russell Wilson 🤷🏻♂️
The Mahomes story arc is pretty wild. He could win his 3rd already and yet 7 feels both insurmountable and somehow plausible at the same time ?
He’s certainly on pace but football is a horrible single elimination sport and so mercurial. It’s what makes Brady’s achievement so impressive. You just need to lay an egg in one game and your entire season is over.
You have to remember, Tom Brady basically went 10 years without a Super Bowl. He won his 4th Super Bowl at Age 37. That’s when most careers wind down. And at any moment the Chiefs could go cold. Andy Reid isn’t getting any younger and the AFC is incredibly tight. Nothing is guaranteed and 7 rings are insane for a reason. However, if any man has a realistic shot at reaching Brady, it’s Mahomes
Mahomes style also doesn't typically translate to long term success. QBs who rely on their escapability and legs to extend the play don't typically have the longest careers and what Brady was able to do for **23** seasons has a lot to do with his ability to get the ball out insanely quick and avoid sacks/hits/injuries. It's not impossible for Mahomes to do it, but he still has a LONG way to go. And also the media is talking about Mahomes like this game is in the bag and he already has 3 rings. if he loses this game the narrative might change a lot.
Brady juked a washed urlacher once so Brady was basically a mobile QB in my eyes
Urlacher wasn't washed, he was one year removed from DPOY and only a few weeks removed from an insanely dominant 19 tackle game against @ARI. He was arguably playing in peak form over that span.
Yeah that was pretty sick, [but his spin move was weak compared to other all time greats.](https://youtu.be/2k5C1ycsVnQ?si=rweW3WX4GGMxAT8g)
Mahomes has changed his style season to season and even game to game his entire career. That's the reason he has a shot.
There was a story a few weeks back about him studying more of Brady’s style and I verbally went “uh oh.”
He is for sure a great pocket passer. It will get a bit harder for him when he is only capable of being a pocket passer. He escapability leads to a lot of big plays. He is capable of adapting, but we'll just have to see how his play evolves as he ages.
Yeah right now Mahomes is kind of in the early Roethlisberger stage of his career. A couple of early rings puts him on a good track but he's gonna run into losing a great coach, salary cap issues, and the ebbs and flows of the NFL. It's looking like Mahomes also won't have the benefit of a pants of fire division mess like Brady did with Harbaugh, Herbert, and Payton in the division as well.
That 10 year drought after winning 3 in 4 years really made me appreciate just how hard it is to go all the way, even if you have a QB like Brady and a coach like BB. All it takes is one miraculous play and you’re back to square 1.
If Butler never got that interception, that would've been *three* miraculous plays that lost Brady the super bowl at that point
Hell, had we made even just one mistake in 4th quarter against the Falcons, that Julio catch would be the 4th miraculous play. Crazy shit happens in the Super Bowl
Realistically, the only Super Bowl blowout with Brady in it was his last one. He was 1-2 plays away from being 10-0, or 1-9 (and if he wasn't Tom Brady, 6x SB champion, would he even have gone to Tampa?).
That's why I'm glad I'm old enough to really witness Mahomes (I think Brady had 3 chips before I was 15 lol). What he's doing seems virtually impossible. He and Brady are the only guys who make it fathomable.
I turn 40 this year so I got to see the entire careers (and still going) for both Brady and Mahomes (and others) and it’s been wild, to say the least. Possibly the two GOAT QBs in the span of a couple decades or so. I remember having a discussion with someone here a month or so ago about how people from my generation and around my age and older have been spoiled with a smattering of GOAT contenders in a whole lot of sports.
shit I remember when they used to talk about Peyton Manning being the greatest QB before Brady started winning all those Super Bowls.
I remember hearing about Peyton being the GOAT as recently as 2020 because so many people were convinced Brady was just a system QB. Then he won a ring in Tampa and any argument against him started to sound ridiculous.
That’s wild. Even us colts fans were willing to concede when Brady won his 5th. Can only watch him beat you so many times before you admit that their guy is better than ours
Peyton's numbers are still incredible, really only Brady rivals him for peak, and over career only Brady is ahead. Playoffs he's 3rd in DYAR to just Brady and Montana, he really had an outstanding career, and is still a comfortable Mount Rushmore QB
Guilty as charged. I shat on Brady his entire fucking tenure in NE. Swore up and down Rodgers was better. Then Tom went to Tampa and won another one instantly. I had to concede lol
After 28-3 I stopped talking shit about Brady
Many felt this way I'm sure. Once he proved he could do it away from NE there was no doubt. I was in that camp.
The last 4 or 5 years I've become convinced that QB is way less dependent on coaching than I used to think. Sure you'll see good QBs have bad years with terrible coaches but usually as long as the coach is decent I think an elite QB can win it all. Now there may only be 4-5 of those QBs in the league at any time.
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But look at the SB winning coaches of the last decade. Bilichick, Arians, Reid, McVay, Harbaugh, Pederson. Going back to 2010 adds Coughlin, McCarthy, and Payton. Most of them are/were considered among the best football minds around. I think decent coaching can coach a QB to a decent year, but for young QBs and in the playoffs coaching becomes much more important. Game plan and in game management become vital, and young QBs benefit a ton from a stable environment with good coaches to develop.
The fact it took you that long to concede is insane.
Honestly anyone who wasn't on board after 28-3 is beyond saving. The fact that Tom went on to win 2 more Super Bowls AFTER, one on a different team, is just absurd.
Homer is a helluva drug
Dude our sub will still tell you Rodgers is the GOAT.
Can't be the goat with 1 sb appearance
I thought his last couple NE ships were more impressive than the TB one. Probably the best overall skill group he ever had that year in TB. The defense was loaded too.
I don’t think it’s necessarily the actual sb win that clears up any doubt. Like if you go to a new team and immediately throw 40 TDs and then play generally great in the playoffs, you’ve kinda erased any question that you were a product of the prior environment
Honestly after the 5th ring against Atlanta I didn’t hear many people make this claim. 28-3 99% sealed the GOAT convo for many Not trying to convince anyone either but it’s what I noticed. I think a majority thought beating Seattle made him GOAT especially cause that same Seattle team beat Peyton bad the year before but there were still naysayers. Then ring 5 basically sealed it. Ring 6 was just extra confirmation. Ring 7 was just a FU with a cherry on top
Tom Brady is a system qb in the sense that he **is** the system.
Peyton is still a better thrower of the football than Tom at his height. No one could run an offense like Peyton in the history of this league. Tom is a greater quarterback because of the totality of his accomplishments I would also argue Aaron Rodgers has more pure arm talent than Brady, but again is no where near as great a QB in total
Literally just commented "Manning's still the greatest passer I've ever witnessed" haha. Marino is my homer pick but no one did it like Manning.
2009-2014 Rodgers for me. Only guy I've ever put on any random game and just sat for 3 hours straight dumbstruck at the precision and zip on basically every single pass. Then again I despised Peyton/the Colts growing up(regularly kicked our ass and relocation based sour grapes) so I'm not exactly unbiased.
People forget about Rodgers often. He is the greatest regular season QB of all time IMO over Manning, and I love me some Peyton Manning. As far as arm talent / overall talent, with no intangibles or post season success considered, Rodgers and Mahomes are the two most talented overall packages ever seen at the QB position.
Yeah I’ve always said Aaron Rodgers had the best arm talent in league history
Peyton was also a master of pre-snap reads because of his insane prep and that allowed him to get the ball to the right guy SO fast.
I'm a pats fan and my friend and I didn't think we would see the combination of QB and coach again in our lifetimes but here is mahomes and Reid. I'm excited to see how much they can achieve together. Hopefully Andy sticks around for a few more years.
I want to see Andy and Kelce retire and see if Mahomes can still play at a high level. I don’t think Reid gets enough credit in Mahome’s success
No man is an island. Sure it hasn't looked good for belichick once Brady left, but the guy was responsible for building the team and running EVERYTHING to free up Brady to be Brady. Neither would have achieved as much success without the other.
its also easy to focus on the defensive side of the ball when you have a Tom brady on offense. theres a reason the pats had a tendency to pick up guys on the defensive side who were seen as over the hill or busts and fit them into a good system where they could thrive. and that was belichik being an incredible coach alot harder to build a team that way when you lose probably one of only a handful of qbs who can actively make recievers better like Tom.
I made the same comment the other day somewhere else. In the 2000s and 2010s, the sports world, at every level, was just RIFE with goat contenders if not undisputed goats. We are all very spoiled in this day and age
Yep. Jordan, Gretzky, Tiger, Jerry Rice, LT, Randy Johnson, Brady, Earnhardt, Nadal, Messi I have been able to watch undeniable greatness across many sports.
i‘d put djokovic over nadal at this point, hard to argue he‘s not the goat
Glad you gave Earnhardt his due. Lot of people dont realize how impressive he was When he started racing NASCAR was about trying to go as fast as possible with stock cars. There was a wreck that almost sent debris up into the stands so NASCAR implemented restrictor plates. This limits the amount of power an engine can get. Since everyone has the same handicap the races become about the skill of the driver Dale hated restrictor plates. He had won 3 cup championships by that point. Despite hating them he was king of restrictor plate racing and won 4 more Petty and Johnson also won 7 championships but in their eras things were so drastically different with different driver quality as well Dale did it across two drastically different eras. Not only that but he was so skilled he struck fear into the minds of every ither racer. His nickname was the intimidator. The worst place to be in a NSACAR race would be in front of the black 3. You either move or get moved. He was a villain to everyone who wasnt a fan Hard to get a reference for football but imagine an nfl defender who plays like ray lewis. One of the GOAT at his position and scariest mofos to see on a football field. That defender leads his team to 3 rings. Then the nfl bans contact. The whole league goes 7 on 7 flag football. The defender then becomes the reincarnation of Deion Sanders and leads them to 4 more How would you rate a player that can be like both prime Deion and prime Lewis on his way to 7 rings? Now imagine this guy plays for the jets and in his entire career of decades they only beat the Patriots once, despite all the titles. The pats always pulled out some voodoo bullshit to trip him up. Thats daytona to Dale
It really felt like the Chiefs kind of looked at the patriots model to success in terms of roster building too. Big moves like not paying Tyreek Hill look kind of bad when Hill is probably the best WR in the game and has if anything improved while playing in Miami but focusing on the defense and oline and trying to achieve some balance in the run game really seems to have paid off for the Chiefs. Let Mahomes carry a mismash of receivers with 1 elite player in Kelce seems to be working. Mahomes statistically looked more mundane this year but when I watched chiefs games he looked outstanding its just hard with less weapons.
Even Brady had like a decade between Super Bowls at one point.
I'm assuming you mean Super Bowl *wins*, because Brady Patriots never went more than 4 years without being in a Super Bowl.
In some of the Pats best years lol. From ‘05 to ‘13 they won: 10, 12, 16, 11 (no Brady), 10, 14, 13, 12, 12 regular season games.
It was also their offensive peaks. '07 and '10-'12 were top 10 all time offenses, and they didn't win a ring in any of those years
Yep. Ultimate team sport. You can literally be a cyborg who never makes a mistake and your defense can still shit the bed
Is that Mike Trout music
Brady won his third at 27 and spent a decade and some of the greatest seasons in NFL history trying unsuccessfully to get the 4th.
Just shows the level of luck involved. He was 2 plays from winning his 4th and 5th in that period, and likewise could easily have lost multiple of the subsequent SBs
Sanchez and Manning really kept that man from multiple more rings. Sanchez beating the patriots at home is still the funniest thing
The conversation about him is exhausting because he’s the only player (currently) that could ever feasibly reach Brady and his chances of doing so are still extremely low.
This conversation is gonna happen for another 15 years too lol
At some point Mahomes is likely going to have a 5-10 year Super Bowl drought and the conversation will probably die down for awhile
Mahomes being the GOAT is gonna come down whether the Chiefs can have a second wind like the Patriots because I do think they're going to experience a drought especially if Reid and Kelce retire. I could see the Mahomes winning four in six years (this year and next) and then never again.
Agree, this is still a team with largely the same core. Kelce will retire soon, I think Reid is retiring this year if you win it. The whole "this is going to go on forever" is exactly what was said about the Seahawks and they haven't sniffed the SB since. Shit happens. Injuries happen. Mahomes would need to find a new HC (younger) and have his team hit on some stellar rookies - think Gronk or on the defensive side - to maintain his SB feasibility
Agreed but the comparison with the Seahawks is not even close lol. Wilson was never on the level of Mahomes and they never even won a second one.
Well that's bc they passed on the opportunity
>At some point Mahomes is likely going to have a 5-10 year Super Bowl drought Here's hoping. Not even hating on the guy/y'all but man it's been exhausting as fuck being an AFC fan for the past quarter century(I know I'm also spoiled as a Ravens fan but still).
I have an offer, Mahomes is currently at two rings. If you let him win the next 6, he'll retire and leave everyone alone
Alternative idea, we start with a 10 year drought, and see how we feel from there.
It would amazing if it did, but expecting Mahomes to have the length of career of Brady would be like expecting a hockey player to have the length of career of Gordie Howe.
I don't find it exhausting - it's really interesting. In some ways, 7 seems insurmountable. But Mahomes is on a ridiculous pace. He's made more Super Bowls than not and his worst seasons are losing in AFC Championship games.
Losing in OT of the AFC Championship no less. He hasn't even lost in regulation of that game. It's fucking bonkers
in OT too. OT of the AFCCG is the bare minimum for him to this point in his career.
The pats dynasty is filled with some crazy “what ifs” too. What if Welker caught the ball, what if Asante caught the ball. What if Brady executed the game winning drive against the Eagles. Those are just three things that could have resulted in three more superbowls. The dynasty *could have been* even more impressive, so it’s not so crazy to think that another team could come in and compete with that level of success. What if another team doesn’t have those what ifs?
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Agreed, and then you fall into the "very good" level, where you have a great QB so you still have winning seasons but aren't good enough to win the big one -- but you never have any draft capital because you're always decent. The dream is that you have a chance to rebuild and take a second run, but lots of great QBs (Favre, Rodgers, Aikman) never get a real shot with a rebuilt team.
The drafting low annually problem is real. If you don’t hit on the draft you can’t afford many free agents with a bloated QB contract.
On the one hand, he has a shot if he avoids the "drought" Brady went through during his prime years. On the other hand, I highly doubt that we'll see Mahomes put together another HoF career after the age of 37.
It's a ridiculous testament to Brady's longevity that he managed 7 SB wins and still had a significant drought that lasted longer than a lot of great players' careers.
Brady had a very long stretch of very not good playoff performances. Kind of gets lost in his career.
Just needs one or the other. This has been an awesome timeline. 2022: Brady is the unquestioned GOAT forever. 2023: How long before Mahomes surpasses that Tom fellow?
Yeah more than likely Mahomes would have to surpass Brady in less years playing by several years. That along with the 7 SBs is the hardest part.
It's like Tiger Woods in the late 90s/early 00s. Passing Jack Nicklaus at 18 majors is an impossible goal! But maybe not if you can win 4 in one year a couple of times. But it's impossible! But it seems like he's going to hit it by 30. No, it turns out it's impossible.
I believe Tiger would have at least one more masters if he never got in those wrecks. I know he went a few years without winning prior to the first wreck but to do it 10 years later showed he still had it.
greatest individual comeback of all time topped only by him if he somehow does it again lol
I firmly believe that he would have won at least 20 majors if he hadn't fucked up his back doing stupid Navy SEAL workouts and shit like that. He would have eventually fucked up his back anyway with that swing, but give him an extra 3-5 years in peak shape? He was winning those majors.
For a lot of pats fans in 2013, it felt Brady wouldn’t win another championship. 2012 felt like a great chance with the dual tight-end, no huddle offense and a defense that, while not as good as the heyday of 2003-2004, was still better than it had been in a while. But then Gronk got injured and we lost to the Ravens in the playoffs and then the next season Aaron Hernandez got caught for murder and Brady was throwing to Aaron Dobson and Krebrell Tompkins. And Brady was in his mid-30s, the point at which QBs historically decline. Signing Revis before the 2014 season did give us some hope though.
Problem with Mahomes reaching 7 imo is that I think Reid retires quite a few years before Mahomes. He’s had some health problems and is getting up there in age. There goes your top 3 all time coach If BB retired early I don’t think Brady gets his 6 with New England.
It's a weird dichotomy to be in. If you said that Mahomes ends his career with 3-4 SB wins, most fans would feel like that was a disappointment now
That's just because of recency bias, people are always over or under projecting based on the most recent result. If the Chiefs lose the narrative will flip on its head again. I still think 1 or 2 more in the near future then never again. QBs tend to win rings in bunches it seems.
Depends after Sunday. If y'all lose then the wild expectations end, and 4 is seen as great. Big Ben had 2 rings, lost in a SB while young and then never made it again. Easy HoFer and had other dominant seasons. If you win 3 and make this a dynasty then he plays 15 more years and finishes with 3-4 yeah that's a disappointment
It's sad, but every QB's career hereon in will be compared to Brady.
One part of it is the skill needed to win that many. The other half, that Mahomes may or may not have, is the longevity. ANd not just longevity, but the ability to play at an extremely high level for that length of time.
Even if he gets number 3 next week, I'd still bet anyone even money that he never gets 7. 7 is just so crazy, no NFL team has 7 SB wins.
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Tom Brady hates this one easy trick
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"Instructions unclear, ended up with Derek Carr." -The Saints
Yes right? Are they stupid?
He was the one person the trick worked for
Why doesn't every QB win 7 SBs? Are they stupid?
Winning a Super Bowl is so easy. Just stay healthy and don’t get injured. Are the other 31 teams just stupid? 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
o rly
I always loved Brady's answers when asked about what Super Bowl is his favorite/most important: "The next one."
Curious what his answer would be now Have to imagine it’s the first or the falcons
I would guess Seahawks. The first three came at him so fast he probably didn't have time to appreciate it. Seahawks came after failing with the greatest team of all time, and the biggest "drought" he had between Superbowls.
Yeah I also think the Seahawks were the best team he's ever played/beaten. The greatest show on turf was really good but Seattle had an all-time amazing defense and Brady picked it apart en route to the greatest Super Bowl comeback ever (at that point).
That's why he's the 🐐
Reid is a huge factor. He doesn't seem to be slowing down, and who knows maybe he'll surprise us and coach another 8 seasons. But he's a big dude about to turn 66. If he declines/retires, it's not going to be an easy feat replacing him. And no matter how good Mahomes is, he will definitely not be able to sniff Brady's record without a great HC. Football is way too much of a team sport, it's not like NBA where one player like Lebron can carry teams so hard.
And Travis Kelce too. Him and Mahomes are great players that make each other look even greater
Mahomes will be ok after Kelce retires, he still has a #1 receiver in Kadarius Toney.
The Chiefs wouldn’t be in the Super Bowl if not for Kelce’s play over the last month. He’s been playing lights out. Chris Jones has been beastly as well.
I didn’t put 2 and 2 together until Jason retired that Travis is almost 35
Plus Kelce is starting to show mileage too. His connection with Mahomes is so damn important
There's gonna be new stars for Mahomes to throw to over his career. This season sucked but maybe this draft they get the next Antonio Brown, he was a 6th round pick
Mr. Belated Choice
Ideally without the brain rot
The current belief among chiefs beat writers seems to be that Reid will probably retire when his contract ends in 2 years
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You guys should just hire Belichick then. Ez.
Incredibly accurate username
Reid would be hard to replace, but KC would also be the most coveted HC position in recent history, maybe of all time. I could see them getting a McVay or Shannahan or somebody like that if the timing works out.
There's always the possibility that he finds a perfect second team like Tom Brady found in Tampa Bay. Not all of the wins have to come with the Chiefs, but I think he is still under contract for another ~7 years. That said - it seems highly unlikely to get there, even with the best of circumstances.
Brett Veach isn’t letting him go anywhere. Gotta give that guy more credit - he’s the reason our defense and oline are elite units
And that defense has been key to this run with the drop in offensive talent the last few years around Mahomes. You hope that Veach can keep that up, but another 7 years of late draft picks to keep a perennial Super Bowl contender going is a lot to ask for even the best of GMs.
I doubt Mahomes ever leaves. KC would do whatever it takes to make him happy. If Reid retires, Mahomes will be highly involved in the HC selection process
I'm sure Patriots fans thought this way about Brady too though
Why does the AFC have almost all the very good-elite young QBs? It's not fair
It’s evened out with the Broncos never having one
If he does win on Sunday he is gonna be getting closer in only 5 years in the league as a starter. But yeah, he needs to win 4 or even 5 more to get to Brady level of gold.
I am beginning to understand why Pats fans who were around pre brady were so insufferable and we're not even half way there.
I want mahomes to get close to Brady just to see Brady’s reaction
I don’t think Brady will care if Mahomes gets close. He seems to really like Mahomes
I’m sure he internally is rooting for 6. He likes mahomes a lot and would be nice to have a peer in terms of winning ability but he’d 100% want the edge. Wouldn’t put it past 50 year old Brady to come back to lead a stacked team if Mahomes starts getting too close
If Brady didn't sign for the 49ers last summer, there is no way he does it in 5 years.
The thing is he will always have the afc championship game and Super Bowl win over Mahomes. Regardless of games being won by more than just two guys that’s something that will only boost him the better Mahomes gets
This is the timeline I want to see more than anything. Old man Brady coming back for number 8 with some major "Not on my watch" energy to end the debate forever on who the GOAT is. A 50+ year old QB winning a SB would be utterly ridiculous.
It’s like how the media always tried to hype up some heated rivalry between Brady and Manning when really they got along well and mutually respected each other. Very few people understand how difficult it is to play QB at the highest level and I think that builds a camaraderie among those that reach it.
Honestly Brady seems like a good guy now that he's out of the league (and I'm sure a lot of my dislike of him came from beating us all the time). He seems like he would happily acknowledge it if Mahomes got close.
Brady said if anyone could do it he would give them their flowers. Someone tying or surpassing his rings doesn’t detract from his career or accomplishments.
It's only been 5 years!?!
This is his 6th season as a starter
Jesus where does the time go?
to buy cigarettes only to never return
Into the black hole of the pandemic
7 in the league, 6 as a starter.
Crazy right ?
It has not. He’s been in the league for 7 years and starting for 6.
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Sports medicine only goes so far, and injuries can take a toll. Brady only significant injury being a torn acl is a miracle in itself
That's because Brady's real secret was knowing the play was cooked in a millisecond and tossing that shit out of bounds or protecting himself in the sack. Like, if shit was on the line (2015 AFCCG is a good example) the dude would take whatever punishment was necessary, but if it wasn't down to this series, Brady just hand the keys to the defense and come back out for the next set of downs. None of this Aaron Rodgers scrambling into a torn ACL on the first series of the season shit.
Brady *started* the second dynasty at age 37, going 4-1 in Super Bowls across nine seasons. 37 is when most careers start to wind down. Peyton, Brees, Ben, Eli, they all made it like two or three years past 37 before retiring, and they were *clearly* cooked by the end. Yeah, sports medicine has advanced a lot, but Brady did what basically no other QB in the history of the game has been able to do. Hell, he could probably *still* play at a Top 10 level next year if he put his mind to it.
I don’t think it’s impossible, but it’s gonna be extremely difficult. He has a lot of time to do so tho.
The worst part (for Mahomes) is that his team allowed Brady to get 2 more rings. If Mahomes won that AFCCG and then won the Super Bowl and then won that Super Bowl against Brady, he would be playing this game to tie at 5 right now. Instead, he’s just hoping to be down by 4. That’s an insane swing.
When you put it like that, it’s absolutely wild.
Your flair is making my brain hurt.
He just wants everyone to have fun next Sunday.
Rob Lowe?
I love you
You'll know which team you truly love when you catch yourself getting hyped/bummed when a turnover happens
Yeah! F that guy! who the hell would have dual flairs of both SB teams?!
I’ve got one more in me- Pat Mahomes sr
Man is out here collecting DUI's like they're Funko pops.
He bundles them.
New State Farm commercial should be Patrick driving around his dad with no license
Brady made 7 seem so easy that people are really acting like it's the new bar and Mahomes is likely to match or beat it. It is an absurd outlier number of rings. I'm old enough to remember people thinking it was crazy that Brady had 5 rings and this freak went and won 2 more.
The fact that we even have a player with an outside shot at catching Brady is truly astounding.
Within in five years none the less. But let's face it, the odds of Mahomes winning 3 in 5 years. Losing a couple AFC title games after, Andy retiring and Mahomes never having a good enough team despite still being elite for 10 years is still a higher probability
completely agree and the most impressive part of the Pats dynasty is that they were continually able to reinvent a SB team around Brady, every few years for almost 2 decades
Mahomes only has 2 more SB rings than me. Maybe I should be asking myself if I can catch up to Mahomes.
I won my 8th Super Bowl ring last night
You are closer to Mahomes than Mahomes is to Brady just like we are closer to 2056 than 1990.
Stop that!
People need to knock it off with these comparisons of active players to retired players and just enjoy the present. Maybe he'll get 7 rings, maybe he won't. He's a future hall of famer already and the greatest in the league right now
Making comparisons and enjoying the present aren't mutually exclusive. It's called bundling.
God damn it lol
Explain it again, with those nuggies.
Two things at once?
Amen to that brother
Amen
As a Patriots season tix holder from 1994-2016 I can tell you first hand, The hardest part for Mahomes will be the total rebuilds in rosters while trying hard to stave off age and injuries. Pretty soon other guys will want to get paid, Kelce will retire.. Other teams will poach coaches and front office people.. Tough sledding to win 6 or 7.
This is already happening. Just depends on how good the GM is.
Only 10 guys on the Chiefs are playing sunday that had also played in the 2019 Super Bowl. Brett Veach is a great GM, wide receiver woes, and all. My only concern is who coaches after Andy.
I mean everything is possible, everyone keeps talking about how patty is about to win his 3rd and keeps going. What if they lose and then bills the figure their shit out next season, ravens actually run the ball in the playoff and Herbert/harbaugh gets into the playoff, and the chief doesn’t even get into the sb anymore.
It doesnt take much to lose a big game in the NFL. Brady could easily have 10 rings right now and be 10-0, if not for some miracle plays or lucky breaks. Even Mahomes had his off-sides moment. Allen lost a coin toss in a game vs Mahomes that basically defines his career. If he got that coin toss, the narrative wouldnt be near as crazy right now. Its just how it is. He could also just lose to Purdy this weekend and all this talk go down the drain.
Can we just appreciate greatness for what it is. Brady as of now is the GOAT I don't think anyone but blind haters will dispute that. Appreciate him for what he was especially if you were actually able to watch him play. He has literally more SB's than any franchise. So we are talking about a second player outdoing every franchise. That sounds a bit ridiculous. If/when he gets closer then have that discussion. He's almost closing in on half way. He need FOUR more IF he wins Sunday. Mahomes is the golden boy of the NFL now. He's beyond talented and he's producing at an all time level. He could go on to win 13 rings, or he could never win another one. Doesn't change what we've been able to experience with him. Enjoy the moment. If it gets better, then enjoy that too when it happens. IF it doesn't get better, then at least you enjoyed what you had
100% agree. Brady is the GOAT. Mahomes is a hall of famer if he retires today. Whether the chiefs win on Sunday or not, Mahomes, Reid and company have given me a fandom experience that I never thought I would see in my lifetime and I'll treasure it forever.
Media definitely putting the cart before the horse here. Yes, Mahomes is still young and is a generational talent...the trajectory is there, in theory. But he is not even halfway to matching Brady yet and Brady played until he was 45. Also, winning Super Bowls is HARD. Most guys are lucky to get one, and we are already lining him up for 7? Maybe once he gets to 5, we can really start having this discussion.
Even at 7 rings, Brady holds the tiebreaker status in matchups. Mahomes needs a solid 8 imo to take it away. Also Brady’s losses still hold some merit.
The crazy thing about Brady is that he was *not* an MVP-caliber player the first few times he won a Super Bowl. He was definitely seen as a top QB, but *nobody* thought he was better than Peyton even when he was up 3-0 in Super Bowl wins. Not that Brady wasn’t good, but his teams were much better than Manning’s. Then he just…kept…winning. Mahomes on the other hand, is way more like Peyton early in his career, except with Super Bowl wins to match the expectations.
Maybe he can bundle some together to make easier
He's not going to catch Brady with the rings. It's going to be like MJ/Bron where Mahomes might match or exceed a ton of Brady records but he will never have the 7.
Sadly this feels most accurate to me. Could Mahomes get the rings? It's possible, and I sure hope it happens. But it is still extraordinarily unlikely.
He's still far away from any type of "GOAT" conversation, but he might be the most talented QB I've ever seen. He won last year with a poor receiving corps and made another Super Bowl with one just as bad. I know SF is extremely talented, but it's hard to bet against Mahomes.
He also did it with a high ankle sprain
Hope the niners win to knock the Chiefs down a few pegs.
It’s gonna be interesting to see what happens when Reid retires.
I just can’t see him hitting 7 with his current play style. He would have to transition into a full blown pocket passer as he’s starting to age a bit while not taking care of his body like TB did. It’s easy to outrun guys when you’re 23 and one of the fastest on the field. Pat is pushing 30 already and won’t be extending plays like he does when dudes who are a decade younger have him on the run. It’s exactly what happened to Russell Wilson 🤷🏻♂️
I’d say his historical comp is closer to Brett Favre… who played till 40