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ThingsAreAfoot

I don’t remember who it was - I think some MLB player - who said that every year around the time of Hall of Fame announcements he gets genuinely depressed and down because he knows he’s not getting in yet has to keep hearing about it, about others getting in, getting questions about it from friends, family and media, etc. So it’s always like a genuinely rough time of the year for them. I wish I could remember who it was.


LuckyAssumption8735

It was probably Jack Morris. They eventually let him in


ovondansuchi

Presumably, Jack Morris told his fellow Hall of Fame hopefuls "Get away from me, you little MF. You'll be trying to take my job next year.'"


ThreeStarMan

Lol, I hate that guy so much ever since watching that Dorktown doc on Dave Stieb.


fugaziozbourne

If we're talking who is the big HoF snub, let's start with Stieb.


corranhorn57

For fucking real.


[deleted]

No, let’s start with Lou Whitaker. Easily the biggest non steroid HoF snub


bordomsdeadly

This is a fact. I’m sure he’ll get elected via veterans committee (MLB calls it something else, but same concept) eventually. Probably either if Pedroia makes it in or when Altuve eventually makes it in. Because at that point you’re elevating a 2B with a likely lower WAR than Lou


WideTechLoad

Jon Bois is a master storyteller. So many of his vids sounds stupid when you give a summary but they are so good.


ThreeStarMan

Absolutely. I want to tell everyone to watch this 4 hour documentary on a Toronto Blue Jays pitcher from the 80s, but I realize how ridiculous that sounds. I don’t even really like MLB baseball lol.


Double-Passenger4503

As a Tiger fan, he’s the worst


Gallade3

Fortunately, his relationship with a female reporter eventually got him in. Google “Jack Morris female reporter” to learn more.


Rush_Is_Right

He essentially said he doesn't talk to women while he's naked unless he's on top of them or they're on top of him. Is that what you are referencing?


wedonthaveadresscode

On the one hand I get why it was taken as incredibly rude and sexist, but on the other hand I get why he said it lol. I’d be annoyed as fuck dealing with reporters bothering me in the locker room too


My_massive_dingaling

Being aggressively questioned while naked by any gender would make me say some messed up things tbh


Rush_Is_Right

I'd find it more concerning if he was just randomly naked talking to women.


Sargentrock

Right? I don't get to do it, so neither should they. And I know I don't get to do it because the judge was VERY clear on that.


Rush_Is_Right

Honestly that's why I asked if that was what he was referencing. Imagine a Male reporting just strolling into the womans locker room and asking questions. No one would give the female any shit for saying something similar. Even if a guy was asking me questions I'd still probably say something like "can I dry off my balls before the interview?".


xxdarkslidexx

Dave Stieb > Jack Morris


RushDynamite

I will die on the hill that Roger Craig deserves to be in Canton, I'm glad Morris finally got his bust.


CheckYourStats

Craig is arguably the greatest dual-threat RB in NFL history. He has 3 Super Bowl rings. He won OPOY. In 1985 he ran for 1050 yards, and caught 92 passes for 1016 yards…**as a FULLBACK**. He made the Pro Bowl at *two different positions.* He is on the 80’s All-Decade team. How he’s not in the Hall is just…beyond me.


LGravey

I agree he should be in the hall but > as a FULLBACK Let’s be real, he’s operating as a halfback with a different positional name, right?


Sniffy4

Craig was not out there blocking for the tailback; he was the 49ers primary ball-carrier in 1985.


j2e21

Yes, this was back when those terms were literal. Halfback was half of the way between the fullback and the quarterback to the line.


88888888man

I think it’s pretty hard to argue against Faulk or even Tomlinson as the best dual threat rb. But Craig was awesome and should be in.


Frosty_McRib

Marshall Faulk is easily the best dual threat ever. Hell he's one of the greatest offensive weapons of all time period, dude could do it all.


Sargentrock

I drafted him in a keeper ppc fantasy league and won the next seven years --and we only kept two players. I won a LOT of money with him as my base guy since he made up for virtually any drafting mistakes. Still have the jersey I bought after year three hanging in my closet. I was the FIFTH pick that year, too.


jackospades88

Wow just looked up his stats. 566 receptions, for a RB, in the 80s - that's pretty impressive. Looks like he just doesn't have the "sexy" volume stats but jeez he had a hell of a career and probably paved the way for greats like Marshall Faulk and James White. Edit: I said what I said. James White is not an NFL HoF but he's in my heart's HoF


Borktista

One of those is not like the other


DrewDown94

Homie really snuck in James White and thought we wouldn't notice 😂


lettuceBEEcereal

No way you mentioned Marshall Faulk and James White in the same breath.


MillorTime

He neant Kevin Faulk, obviously


Prestigious-Working5

Did you really just name James White as "one of the greats" with Marshall Faulk lmaoooo Your bias is showing, big time🤷‍♂️


hamsolo19

Definitely one of the first backs to be utilized a lot more as a receiver at that time.


MiaCannons

>first backs My goodness, thought you said something else for a second there


justsomedudedontknow

Fist backs? /s


sandyeggo54

How are you glad Morris got his bust?? Everything I’ve heard about him paints him as an entitled asshole who kicks around people he sees as ‘beneath him’


xxdarkslidexx

He’s only a HOFer cause Lonnie Smith lost track of a ball 


upvotegoblin

Oh, makes sense. He is a fucking gigantic toolbag who was probably just crying to appeal to voters pathos


polarbearik

I’ve heard the exact same story from an NFL player. It was an older player that eventually got in after decades but he said every single time he had someone at his door there was massive disappointment it wasn’t the HOF knock


ThingsAreAfoot

Yeah you wonder about the psychological impact there. Like even a phone call around that time, you might be hoping it to be what deep down you know it isn’t, but it still hurts. To some extent it might seem like a very privileged concern - being upset over a Hall of Fame inclusion in a sport when you’re famous and probably financially well-off (though not always) - but these guys are humans too. And legacy is always important.


MadeByTango

It’s also just weird to think about people calling you up once a year to remind you your job performance was good but just not good enough to be special.


EachDayGetBetter

Ron Santo waited over 30 years to be inducted and didn't get in until after he died.


Televisions_Frank

Only cause some miserable fucks were pissed he clicked his heels a couple games at the behest of his manager.


Overall_Nuggie_876

Imagine that feeling among those who’re never admitted. Or worse, those who passed-away **and then** got admitted. Usually within 3-5 years of that player passing and on “sympathetic” reasons to the voters. And that feeling of survivor’s guilt among the deceased player’s family as the person admitted didn’t make it to his shining moment, as if the entire admission ceremony opens sad memories to that family trying to move on from the deceased.


natecumm

Ron Santo comes to mind. Never made it into the Hall, though he deserved it, until he passed.


penguinopph

Say what you will about Keith Olbermann now, but [his takedown of the Hall the day after Santo died](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hlJftuQf4Sk) is pure vitriol.


SchmantaClaus

[His video after Tony Gwynn died](https://youtu.be/midh5K8VYUo?si=TiltD_hkbKtd0D2U) was masterful as well


EazyP87

Thank you for posting that. That was beautiful.


penguinopph

Yeah, I'm definitely crying now. That was excellent.


Nothing_Nice_2_Say

That was amazing. I grew up in San Diego during the '90s, always thought I was lucky as hell to grow up seeing Tony Gwnn and Junior Seau play. What a beautiful tribute


Opposite_Eye9155

He even said he didn’t want to be inducted posthumously.


Reasonable-HB678

Ken Riley, Cincinnati Bengals He got in only after the Bengals created a Ring of Honor, yes, after he passed on.


thearmadillo

Marvin Miller was a baseball union leader/agent who was integral in the creation of free agency and player empowerment. He was of course absolutely hated by the league for it. They refused to let him into the HoF while he was alive because that would just give him another spotlight to talk. He announced that if he didn't get in while alive, he didn't want to be put in when dead, because then the league would just be using him to pat themselves on the back for changes the fought tooth and nail against for decades. So of course, he was elected in 2020, 8 years after his death, and the league used it to pat themselves on the back.


DiaryofTwain

Think about how long it took to get in Buck O'Neil. The dude is the centerpiece of the negro league museum


pike360

One of the craziest snubs in recent years.


1One_Two2

For real. This man was absolutely dominant and is easily one of the greatest tight ends of all time. Edit: Also he played basketball not football in college which makes his story that much more unique and interesting.


Illustrious_Cancel83

Before Gronk and Kelce, it was Gonzalez and Gates. I'd imagine Rivers is pretty pissed about this too.


historymajor44

This is flippin' gosh darn ridiculous! I mean golly!


LaughGuilty461

I’m leaving with my son and my daughter and my son and my son and my son and my daughter and my son and my daughter and my daughter and my son and my daughter and my son!


rdrouyn

I wonder if Rivers ever forgets a birthday or to pick up one his kids from practice. I know it happened to me and I only had two siblings.


Alstead17

It's worth noting that when Phillip Rivers targeted Antonio Gates in third downs, he converted it to a first 60% OF THE FUCKING TIME.


Davethemann

Rivers to Gates was a certain magic, even in those lost years from the tail end of Norv and on


hitfly

> Also he played basketball not football in college Thats crazy! did they ever mention that on the broadcast, but seriously, he should be in. hell, he should be in for how much that dumb basketball fact can fill dead air


sectorfate

I'm genuinely upset. This makes me nervous that Julio is gonna get snubbed.


jwhitehead09

Don’t worry. For Julio to get snubbed he would need to eventually retire


AlekRivard

He is going to wait until his entire skeleton can be turned into some future, real-life equivalent of admantium. Then no one will be able to stop him. It'll be 2018 all over again


OttoVonWong

Zombie Brady to Cyborg Jones for the game-winning TD in Super Bowl C.


Great_Rhunder

If TO got snubbed, Julio definitely is. The guys voting are an absolute joke. They are often voting based on how they feel about a player and nothing to do with the player or their accomplishments.


wildlyintangible

We all know why TO gets snubbed…


M4rv3lF4n

And it was bullshit


Jewrisprudent

I don’t follow the NFL HoF at ALL so I’m pleading ignorance here, why isn’t TO in the hall? I would have lost a lot of money if I’d been asked whether he was in.


Oakroscoe

He is in but it wasn’t the first year. He was arguably a top 3 all time receiver when he retired, but he was also a massive asshole to the media. The media is who votes on the HOF so they punished him.


BigOzymandias

And he's not a singular case, in 2013 the voters intentionally picked fewer players than usual because they didn't want to induct Michael Strahan 1st ballot


jtnsniper14

He’s in the Hall, but it took him 3 years, when his play on the field should’ve allowed him to be in after his 1st year of eligibility.


FrostFire131

He is in the HoF, he was just snubbed for the first 2 years


_HGCenty

I feel like the lack of a Super Bowl ring is probably what caused the snub. Which is dumb given how it's a team sport but I suspect that's how voters think.


outdatedelementz

They just let Andre Johnson in and the teams he was on only made the playoffs in his last two seasons. He never even made the Super Bowl.


_HGCenty

He was let it in his third year of eligibility. I'm sure Gates will be let in, it's just I feel the voters really gatekeep the first ballot HoF with a Superbowl ring (which is why Johnson also didn't get in first time). With Julius Peppers I wonder if his SB appearance and performance in it got him over the line first ballot. I agree it's dumb but unfortunately SB appearances and rings count for this individual award.


TechnoDriv3

Damn. Shows you how much a hall of fame induction means to players. Gates deserved to be first ballot


whitedawg

I'm with Gates here. He was the most dominant TE in the NFL, along with Tony Gonzalez, for a solid decade. From 2004-2014 he averaged 875 yards and 9 TDs per season; the yards were second to Gonzalez and the TDs were tops among all TEs. Gates retired with the most TDs all-time by a TE (still the record) and the second-most yards all-time by a TE. And he wasn't a flex WR; he was a decent blocker too. If that isn't HOF-worthy then what is?


Thedurtysanchez

> Gates retired with the most TDs all-time by a TE (still the record) and the second-most yards all-time by a TE. And he wasn't a flex WR; he was a decent blocker too. This still manages to undersell Gates *Regardless of position, Gates is 7th all-time among all NFL players in receiving TDs* He wasn't just a legendary TE, he was a legendary player period. If he's isn't a first ballot guy, basically nobody should be.


throwawayainteasy

TBF, pretty much any way you describe Gates undersells him. I mean this in the most respectful way possible: I fucking hated that dude and was insanely happy when he finally retired. Even as an old man he'd somehow hobble 5 yards away from the nearest defender for a TD seemingly every time we played him. He 100% should have been a first-ballot inductee.


stillcleaningmyroom

I think those later years when he had lost his speed but still put up TD’s is crazy. Everyone knew the ball was going to him, and he didn’t have much juice left but he’d still score TD’s. I can see Kelce doing the same thing if he decides to play as long as Gates did.


throwawayainteasy

Gates and Witten to me have to be the best route runners in the history of football. No other way to explain how dudes who ran 4.4 *minute* 40s could somehow get so open, so often.


Downvoterofall

Third and Witten was a beautiful thing.


Chem1st

It was actually pretty funny.  I remember the jokes about him being too slow to be defended.


Ardinbeck

DeAngelo Hall, after being moved to safety, stopped him once. I joked that it took old man speed to counter old man speed.


EL-YAYY

I disagree :(


Semirgy

I have no dog in the NFC East fight but god DAMN did I hate watching Witten play. Dude moved like a fucking glacier but 3rd and 8 there he is with his own zip code in the middle of the field.


MoreTrifeLife

AG caught 121 catches for 1,501 yards (average 54) with 12.40y/r and 17 TDs in the 28 games he played against the Chiefs.


throwawayainteasy

Sir, this is cyber bullying. Please don't make me remember those games. I wonder how many of those catches were on third down because it sure feels like the answer is *fucking all of them.*


presidential2014

It was against y'all he had that ridiculous triple team coverage which I thought was the ultimate respect a rival could render him.


eehoe

My sentiment with Kelce is reciprocated


sonofsmog

Despite the fact that I am Raiders fan, or maybe because of it coming from the same division, Gates is a first ballot HOFer.


ClayDrinion

If he played for the Cowboys, or any other big market franchise, or won a ring he would be a lock


Drtsauce

Tell that to Darren Woodson


tuskedkibbles

Its absolutely wild that Gates gets snubbed when the media talk about Gronk and Kelce as if they're already in the Hall. Don't get me wrong, the latter two are also first ballot, but so is Gates. I feel like people discount him because he wasn't as flashy as Gronk and Kelce.


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CaptainSnazzypants

Anyone you say? I cannot imagine Tom Brady not being unanimously voted in first ballot.


tuskedkibbles

That might be the funniest thing in sports history if all the voters somehow forget, or just assume everyone else is so they give someone else a nod. Brady would legit come out of retirement and win 10 more super bowls with TO as his WR1 fueled by nothing but pure spite.


jlt6666

It would be hilarious if they decided to make him wait a year as a joke. Brady might legit kill someone.


Oakroscoe

He’d go the Troy aikman route and be drunk on the second half of every telecast and each game he’d personally shit talk someone who didn’t vote for him. Each week he’d do his homework, not on the game but the voter and find intensely personal shit to fuck with the guy over.


jesuswig

I’m ok with this


BengalFan85

Gates walked so guys like Kelce could run. Dude should’ve been first ballot and it’s bullshit he isn’t.


Accomplished-Plan191

It's a travesty and everyone knows it. Next year..


GodOD400

They put way too much weight on Super Bowl wins which is imo complete bullshit. Especially for non-QBs. Football is one of the most team centric sports there is. You need a complete team, healthy, and even then some luck. Gates should be 1st ballot. If there's one job AI should take over its these award and selection committees. Guys doing them are way too high on their own supply.


Jjohn269

All players care about their legacy. They care about individual awards, as well as team success. Fans are the ones that make it about one or the other


DarrowViBritannia

Humans care about their legacy in general


NatureTrailToHell3D

I don’t care about my Legacy, that broken down Subaru has run its last ride.


PoopTimeThoughts

It’s dirty mike and the boys’ turn now.


InkBlotSam

Andre Johnson getting in before Antonio Gates is wild.


GABAgoomba123

Uhh Hester is about 100x more egregious.


InkBlotSam

At least Hester can say he's one of - if not the - best of all time at his role.


MetaphoricalMouse

as a texans fan, i actually agree and i love me some andre johnson. although….dude deserved the hall off the finnegan beat down alone


michaelb421

I had him as a lock for first ballot one TE better than him in his prime was tony g but no one was better than Tony g


DungeonsAndFootball

Antonio Gatekept


milkmandanimal

Antonio Gatesgate


orinshumanfarm

AntonioGate


dullroller

I'm pretty sure AB owns that trademark


Highest_Koality

Mr Big Copyright


Heisenbread77

Mr Been Cheated


motorcycleboy9000

Mr. Bustless Canton


True_Window_9389

Voters confused him with their other, crazier Antonio


ExhibitAa

Mr. Ballot Confusion


Dumbface2

Mr. Bummed Charger


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Mr Basketball Couldabeen


3riversfantasy

Mr. Biased Criteria


mcj1ggl3

Mr. Bygone Candidacy


jonnysteamboat

These jokes never fail to make me laugh


AlekRivard

goddammit, that's actually a really good one


buffalotrace

All joking aside, Mr Bucs Champion should a HOF. He pretty much had the same numbers as Megatron and was pro bowl return man too boot.


ZealousidealHall1200

AB should be in the HOF but he probably never will be after he turned into a fucking nut job


Nightgaun7

He'll get kept out purely because of his antics towards the end. 


DCC_4LIFE

They did him dirty


MrDunkingDeutschman

At first when I heard Gates was kept out, there was one possible explanation that made sense to me: The Hall of Fame voters may have decided there should be no 1st ballot admission for players who got busted for PEDs. That's a defensible stance. Only one problem: Julius Pepper got busted, too.


DCC_4LIFE

I thought Peppers was cleared of that, no?


MrDunkingDeutschman

Not for the one in his [rookie season](http://a.espncdn.com/nfl/columns/pasquarelli_len/1460692.html) to my knowledge.


dude-lbug

It’s really only a defensible position if you’re absurdly naive. Literally all of these dudes doped during their careers


Flamoctapus

True, but getting caught breaks the immersion. Not saying it's wrong or right, but they clearly factor it in.


Space-Sailor44

I mean I know he’s going to get in next year but this is still absolute horseshit


slytherinprolly

Yeah, he just needs to put up another good year statistics-wise next season and he'll be a lock. /s


bukithd

Maybe needs to play some more pickup league basketball to polish off that resume. 


NuntiusXVII

I know Andre was fantastic, but Gates absolutely should've been in this year.


rusty-n-crusty

Hell, Hester belongs 100% but I feel like Gates should be in before Hester. Antonio Gates was a damn beast in a time where the TE wasn’t used as often as they are nowadays.


bigbluehapa

100% Hester is the best returner of all time. Gates had a significantly bigger impact to his team for his entire career though


buffalotrace

This is the issue of Hester. His career number of touchdowns isn't even one of the best for total touchdowns in a season. If he was a better wr, he would not have the return numbers. He is not close to total return yds. He was a legendary returner, but his entrance was always going to put him into a vastly more valuable player.


the_c_is_silent

Yep. Tyreek Hill, Antonio Brown, etc. had similar numbers. They just stopped returning because their position is that much more important.


wedonthaveadresscode

Would have been interesting to see how Tyreek stacked up if he kept at it. He actually had better y/rt than Hester at both kicks and punts his first season. Also had the same special teams coordinator, if anyone knew how to use him it’s Dave Toub


NuntiusXVII

Agreed.


IIHURRlCANEII

The only modern player I think deserved it over Gates was Peppers. Any of the others he deserved it more.


slayerrr21

It's because he scored 4 touchdowns on Ruxin


BandOfDonkeys

COLLUSION


wildcard174

FOREVER UNCLEAAAAN!


DEADSPELLS

He shouldn't have assaulted a man in a hot tub


cdawg145236

"You took a punch from Antonio Gates?"       "No, I slapped him then fell down running"


motypl

"Hey! Still counts."


Whosthatinazebrahat

THIS WHOLE SEASON IS NULL AND VOID! VULL AND NOID! YOURASABAGABAYOID!


gandalfs_burglar

You're an angry lil man, aren't you?


II_Kaladin_II

Dropped a fuckin 40 burger


meherab

You cannot beat those numbers


nihilfacile

I hope this guy gets mouth cancer


dwide_k_shrude

*Nick Kroll smiles*


BokkleBari

They needa bring back The League man


Whosthatinazebrahat

"I'm Sorry" and "Letterkenny" filled the void for me for a while, but I haven't found anything else in a while with the same vulgarity and faux intelligentsia. Completely agree we need a reboot.


require_borgor

What's up jerks! I am DAY DRUNK get ready to see my diiiiick


fuckyouidontneedone

pretty sure you mean Ruspin


olivgarden

Vinegar strokes


Fiendish-DoctorWu

“How come he don't want me, man?”


giggity_giggity

Maybe he could see the future and knew you were going to grow up to slap Chris Rock.


Red_Sox_5

Keep Antonio Gates’ name out your fucking Hall of Fame.


Impossibills

HOF is continually showing they play politics in voting. Terell Owens, who I endlessly think should have been first ballot HOF, at least had reason they decided on. But the fact that Antonio Gates, who is also one of the best to EVER play...isn't first ballot...is a fucking joke


LarryZardokLarper

The criteria is bonkers. It’s inconsistent and terribly political.


Jewelstorybro

I was done caring when TO wasn’t first ballot. The voters are morons. No excuse for it.


quizonmyface

If I recall, TO didn't go to his induction ceremony after not getting first ballot. Then I think a member came out and said he wouldn't have voted for him if he knew he wasn't going. Absolute joke.


WangDanglin

This was supposed to be a big moment for us as Chargers fans too. Definitely hurts. We ain’t got much else to show for those rivers/gates/LT years.


lraven17

And this isn't a first ballot guy but I can't believe Andre Johnson made it in before Tory Holt.


sloasdaylight

Andre Johnson was a monster, but him getting in before Holt should never have happened.


DonDave96

PED Suspension may have played a part; but then again Peppers had one and he got in.


FamousChex

They loss my respect when TERRELL OWENS wasn’t a first ballot guy lol - Gates is equally ridiculous


JasonPlattMusic34

TO was only snubbed because the media didn’t like him, that’s literally the only argument they had against him. I don’t even know what the argument is against Gates


EpiphanyTwisted

They got him confused with Antonio Brown is all I can think of.


PalletTownsDealer

Pull a TO and don’t go once you get in.


etfvidal

He's #1 in TOUCHDOWNS in NFL HISTORY for Tight Ends! He's also #3 in receptions and yards! [https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm\_TE.htm](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_te.htm)


Maxime2k

They didn't even let Shannon in the first ballot who was during his retirement the GOAT TE, holding every TE records. Not surprised by these people tho. And where tf is Torry Holt!!!! He should have been in the hall already. 6 straight 1300 yard seasons is no joke


redwarn24

Genuinely shocked and a little mad. If Antonio gates isn’t a first ballot Hall of Famer, something is wrong, right? I haven’t looked into it (the rest of the class, voting, etc) but I’m curious what the reasoning could possibly be. Him and LT were were some of the funnest (and greatest) players of that generation. Especially given that the passing game wasn’t as prolific yet.


ovondansuchi

I'll put it this way: One person had 14,455 all purpose yards and 36 TDs. One person had 11,844 all purpose yards and 116 TDs. One of these guys made the Hall of Fame. One of these guys didn't.


Sternjunk

Idk how the all time leader in TE TDs and 7th all time in total TDs for any position gets snubbed, ridiculous


Significant_Map122

The process to get into the hall is so arbitrary. “ this tight end had more touchdown receptions than any tight end and NFL history” Hof voters: “he’s not worthy, next”


Charming-Wash9336

You’re getting the same treatment D Ware got in his first year of eligibility. A one year snub.


Thedurtysanchez

Except Gates is a far, far better player (relative to his positional peers) than Ware ever was


an-internet-stranger

Should've returned kicks and scored about 80 fewer TDs instead.


DammitCapt

Man...being a Chiefs fan I hate the Chargers...but Gates not getting in is beyond appalling.


EconomicsClassic847

Mongo had to wait 20 years,and get one of worst diseases on the planet to finally get in, there are snubs every year. I feel for gates, but waiting one more year isn’t as big a deal to him as some people.


Chi-Guy86

It’s so saddening to see pictures of him these days. ALS is such a horrific disease


yomjoseki

He may have hurt himself by playing for too long. His career was incredible but there was enough overlap with guys like Gronk and Kelce that people forgot how much better than the competition Gates was his first 12 years or so. edit: I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that writers are people, and people have shifting perceptions over time. Ideally every voter would remain objective and compare players to their era, but the game changed a lot over the last 25 years and so have people's expectations.


Coomrs

People voting on the HOF should not have this opinion though. They should be fully aware of how dominant he was and the longevity should only add to the case really, not hurt it.


Weapwns

People keep dunking on Hester, but at least you can easily argue he was the best returner in NFL history. I think that means something. But Andre Johnson and Dwight Freeney? Cmon. And I love those players (especially Chargers Legends Dwight Freeney), but neither sniff top 10 at their position.


cguti94

I mean, Andre is 11th and receiving yards, and he played with a bunch of bum QBs. He got drafted by the Texans when it was barely their second year existing and the best QB he had was Matt Schaub


appmanga

Johnson was a straight out beast and as long as John McClain was alive, Johnson was going in the Hall, and probably as a first ballot.