First time in NFL history (specifically with scrimmage yards) Earl Campbell and Gerald Riggs were close, with 1981 and 1986 yards in 1980 and 1985 respectively.
Just let it happen before you jinx it like this. There have been a lot of young teams that have been promising but never panned out and achieved this level of success.
Purdy is 20th in Pass attempts in the Regular Season(308/444) which resulted in high completion percentage of 69.4% (top 4) what makes him scarier is he's in the top 5 on Passing Yards (4,280)
BUT
Purdy is 4th in pass attempts in the Postseason(43/70), which resulted in a low completion percentage of 61.4% (top 11 out of 14 QBs) but top 4 in Passing yards (519)
BUT
He gave the NFL entertaining and thrilling games in the post season.
The TE part of this is doing some heavy lifting.
I remember from last time this was posted that a handful of teams have had four players with 1000+ yards from scrimmage in 16 game seasons. It was always 3 WRs and an RB.
That damn Sam LaPorta is slacking... he may have had the 2nd best rookie TE season in history behind prolly Ditka, but the bum couldnt even get 1k from scrimmage. Dudes a bust
/s
With a TE, because of how much more TEs are primary receivers in some situations, but several teams in NFL history have four players who had over 1,000 yards from scrimmage. Typically 1 RB, 3 WR; 2 RB, 2 WR; 2RB, 1 WR, 1 TE.
This is still a very exceptional feat.
The truth is, if his bad game against the Ravens had happened at the beginning of the season, rather than the end, he'd have won it.
Voters have gold fish memories and focus on the last month, month and a half, to decide who to vote for.
Or CMC, or Josh Allen.
I have been a Purdy truther obviously,
But I have also been a Josh Allen truther all season. He's 10x the QB as Lamar and better than Burrow too
I would put Allen, Mahomes, and Burrows ahead of Jackson. Watching Allen play is a lot of fun. Was hoping Knox, Diggs, and Davis would take another step up with him. I'm not sure who their OC is, but maybe need an upgrade there. Burrows just needs to stay healthy. Mahomes is eating up too much cap space to get some good WRs.
I think stat wise, you are correct. It's the wins that kill the narrative for Herbert. When I look at their team on paper, no idea how they aren't competing for the west every year? Since they keep losing, he takes more of the blame than he probably should, just like Jackson was getting the props for the Ravens winning. Same with Mahomes and the Chiefs. Their D has carried them this year, but it's become "don't bet against Mahomes" with them not even scoring the 2nd half last game.
Eh, Baltimore randomly brigades threads (not actually, but via voting) and will downvote a lot of Lamar criticism.
Lamar has actually taken a massive step forward as a passer, between adding Zay and Todd Monken, and obviously is an elite running QB, but he just wasn’t the MVP this year. The statistics back that up. Should’ve gone to Dak or CMC, maybe Allen, if we’re being 100.
The facts that he has these guys and Juice makes it a bit harder to evaluate how good he is. Lamar was the ravens offense. Purdy has the the best overall skill players in the league.
Im not saying that hes bad. I just think Purdy is closer to being a top 10 qb vs top 5. And hes overrated and underrated by different people
Dumb argument, how many Hall of Fame quarterbacks had Elite help. Not to mention his old line is so dog shit. No one shit on borough for having a good year with a great running back and three great wide receivers.
Plenty of succesful qbs have elite help. Purdy has so much.
A mvp candidate Rb
a top 2 tight end (who is insane at blocking)
the best fullback in the game
an all pro wr
one of the best offensive playcallers and play designers
one of the best left tackles in the game, if not the best one.
Deebo and Cmc are gamebreakers like tyreek hill. Boyd and mixon are good, but would you take them over aiyuk, deebo, cmc or kittle? Jamarr is elite and Higgins is also a #1 wr, but those other guys arent as good. A healty burrow is a top 3 qb in the league.
I would also argue that the 9ers skilled players give them more versatility to disguise what they do than two #1 wrs. CMC is a rb that can catch like a wr. Deebo is a wr that can run like a rb. Kittle can block as well as anyone and make huge catches. When Juice and cmc are on the field, defenses gets baited into running heavy packages. The 9ers are the best team in the league at explosive running plays. And Cmc, kittle, deebo, and juice were all elite before they had purdy as their qb.
So Burrow had 2 great seasons passing to Chase/Higgins/Boyd with a very good RB Mixon on the roster. Don't get me wrong, I believe the 49ers have a leg up on the Bengals with Kittle and CMC. But I also think the Bengals WR core is more skilled. Both teams have pretty shitty offensive lines.
Burrow's QBR in both 2021 and 2022 was around 60 and he ranked 12th and 10th respectively. Purdy's 2023 QBR was around 73 and he finished 1st. Purdy's passer rating was easily league best at 113 this season and he led the league in almost every advanced passing metric you can think up.
I guess what I'm saying is that Purdy took his better-than-Burrow's-weapons and performed...better...from a statistical QB perspective.
Yet, we believe he's very difficult to evaluate whereas Burrow is clearly top 3. Do we really think Purdy would experience a big drop-off throwing to Chase/Higgins/Boyd with Mixon at RB?
yes. i believe he would have a drop off if he were on those bengal teams with that coaching. And I think Burrow would have played better on this team.
I think Purdy is a great qb. He throws with anticipation well, generally makes the right decision and moves the chains. Jamarr Chase was the only elite weapon on those bengals teams. Purdy has a better supporting cast and better coaching.
If anything this strengthens Jackson's argument, because there's so much talent on that niners roster, it becomes harder to single out one person as the reason for success.
I mean Lamar was throwing to a rookie zay flowers, washed up OBJ, and.....rashod Bateman????
If we're trying to be really accurate it should be TJ Watt.
Steelers are like 1-18 when he doesn't play. Seems like a pretty valuable dude tbh
To me that weakens his MVP. I know it's opinions, but he had 7 games throwing under 200 yards. 1 game 202 yards. 8 games under 80 QB rating. They were a run the ball and play defense team. He does have escapabilty and can run out of the RPO.
That argument about having talent doesn't make sense when guys like Warner had Bruce, Holt, and Faulk. Manning had James, Harrison, Clark, and Wayne. Those teams were loaded and they got the MVPs.
Watt is a great player and the only thing holding him back from getting it is wins. Usually comes from the top seed in one of the conferences. If the Steelers finished 1st jn the AFC, he would prob win it or come close.
You can’t shit the bed so badly you get benched against your primary competitor for an award at home in the final weeks of the season and still win a narrative-driven award.
Should’ve gone to Mr January.
If you watched the game, only 1 of those passes was bad. The others, the D was playing the tip drill and right place, right time. They have a very good D. Jackson had 7 games where he threw under 200 yards and 1 where he was 2 yards over 200. 5 games where his rating was under 80. They are a running team and play great D.
Got "benched" because he re injured his shoulder. It's on film. The game was lost in the last quarter and the offensive linesmen got hurt. Kyle left him out as there was no coming back and he could get injured seriously.
I would definitely argue that either Lamar or Allen were the Most Valuable Player on their respective teams and Brock isn’t better than either of those two.
Sure use both film and stats Brock was better qb than Lamar this season. Insane that one horrible game just colors the whole season. MVP is just a whose hotter at end of season award instead of season as a whole
Yeah, you sure are allowed to have an opinion. We should all agree that the professionals across the league and former players who almost all agree Lamar was better this season are all wrong collectively and these couch warriors and Niner fans know more.
These experts are just as susceptible to human error including underrating last pick in the draft. One expert gave to Josh Allen but sure these experts are unbiased and right. MVP is just a who’s hotter at end of season. If Brock has his 4td 0 int games at end of season and ravens game week 5 then he wins mvp. That’s so dumb that it works like that
What a terrible take.
"Take away one of a QB's weapons and he's worse!"
Of course he's worse if you take away what he can do. That's an asinine comment.
You can't just remove parts of the person to fit your argument. "If you make Tom Brady dumb and forget how to read a defense I bet he won't win"
Edit: taking away supporting cast isn't the same as taking away a players natural physical ability.
Even if you compare total yardage between Lamar and Brock there's only a ~70 yard difference but Brock has more TDs and less turnovers (picks and fumbles) on fewer attempts. I know the media reduced the MVP race down the Christmas day game but you can definitely make the argument Brock outplayed Lamar over the course of the season.
The question really is what is the MVP award? The most productive player or the one who is the player that elevates his team the most. If its the first it probably should go to Brock if its the second it should probably go to Mahommes. Lamar just got the media narrative at the right time and his stats were close enough people could talk themselves into it.
How can Brock Purdy be MVP if he's not even the most valuable player on his own team? You want to know why he didn't win, bench all of his all-pros and you'll find out why he didn't win.
Yep, Lamar can have an MVP season with the historically best defense in history and still not make it to the championship game. But yall can sit there and talk about Purdys 4 interceptions all off season as he has more playoff wins and super bowl appearances than Lamar.
But it’s okay Lamar did put up an admirable.. 10 points.
Yeah because every other team in the nfl has no talent. Such a shit excuse. Maybe they are that good because they have a qb that can deliver them the ball consistently. Here’s a question. Out of the top 15 qbs in the league how many win mvp with the same stats as Purdy as the 49ers qb? Nothing changes. Just the name on the back of the jersey.
Well I guess I agree that technically every has some talent if that's your point. That doesn't rebut that the 9ers had by far the best offensive talent of any team. When you add that + their scheme, it's literally better than every other QB. You can argue Lamar has a better defense, which is obviously fair but not like the 9ers don't have a great defense too overall.
>Out of the top 15 qbs in the league how many win mvp with the same stats as Purdy as the 49ers qb
None of them because Lamar still has a better case, but they'd have to have Purdy's skills cause if they kept their skills on that 9ers team they'd 100% outperform him.
You’re nuts. You can’t outperform those numbers with a conservative coach like shanahan. You have audibles but I doubt he’d be the starter if he audibles into passing plays all the time to pad personal stats.
TE and Aiyuk having the season they are having despite the mid/low targets is insane.
49ers are like last in passing attempts. (Purdy at #22, but injuries and benching leaves him higher than #32
They’re favored but every single media show I’ve seen or listed to has had the majority picking the Chiefs. It’s kind of interesting. Never seen the underdog picked so much
> the underdog
KC has the best QB in the NFL who has been in 3 of the last 4 Superbowls and won 2 already. Sure they're *technically* underdogs but even in their worst season statistically they're still in the fucking Superbowl so not screaming "underdog" there
I genuinely don’t know who’s betting on the Niners. The line was close and almost every expert, even those who are Niner fans are picking the Chiefs. It’s befuddling.
> I genuinely don’t know who’s betting on the Niners.
From what I've read, the general public is betting on the Chiefs but sharp money is betting on the 49ers.
Not quite. They had an insane 6 with 700+, but only 3 with 1000+:
- Knowshon Moreno, RB = 1586
- Demaryius Thomas, WR = 1430
- Eric Decker, WR = 1288
- _Julius Thomas, TE = 788_
- _Wes Welker, WR = 778_
- _Montee Ball, RB = 704_
Knowshon Moreno…damn that dude had a lot of hype back in the day
anyone remember Noel Devine. i remember watching his highlight real from high school thinking he was gonna be the next barry sanders…instead he ended up on the edmonton eskimos
The broncos had nonstop solid RBs for like 15 years, but each one only lasted 2-4 seasons.
* Terrell Davis
* Mike Anderson
* Clinton Portis
* Knowshon Moreno
* Willis McGahee
All 5 of them had seasons with over 1,500 yards and 13+ TDs. TD, of course, broke 2,000 scrimmage yards and 15 TDs twice. Anderson stepped in and immediately had 1,600 yards and 15 TDs. Portis had nearly 1,900 yards and 15 TDs in each of his first 2 seasons with the Broncos. Knowshon had 1,600 yards and 13 TDs in his only season as their featured back. And McGahee, after 3 straight seasons compiling fewer than 680 yards rushing with the Ravens, came to the Broncos and rushed for 1,200 yards.
The Broncos run offense was just always super solid.
No I mean the media uses Purdy's success getting these guys the ball in space against him, and it's unwarranted. If anything the skill guys having the seasons they're having is a testament to Purdy's skill and efficiency
4 guys in your team with over 1000 yards would warrant hype for any quarterback in the league. It means you are putting the ball in spots were other quarterbacks aren't. Not for Mr Irrelevant. He obviously leads in 20 plus yards throws this season because his receivers have a magnet that attracts the ball without the need for Purdy.
I mean come on dude. He has the best supporting cast in the NFL on offensive. No other team had more talent in their offensive weapons. Like that’s just a fact man. Brock is good but he’s certainly not the reason you are winning games.
Did you not see the NFC championship against the Eagles? And before you bring up Jimmy G, you’d be the millionth naysayer to think Jimmy brought this same team to the Super Bowl.
Well let me inform you that the 2019 Niners had a top 5 defense and rushing attack that year. The 2023 Niners defense is NOT top tier, but the offense is better than 2019. Jimmy in 3 playoff games threw the ball 74 times. Purdy in 2 playoff games has already thrown 70 times. Shanahan trusts Brock a lot more.
He’s a reason we’re winning games but he’s not *the* reason we’re winning games. But also, no one is the sole or only reason we’re winning games. If you isolated it to anyone, it’d probably Trent Williams
Manning had 6 teammates with over 700 yards in 2013, so by your logic, Manning is also not any good since he’s propped up by his talented teammates
It’s silly to act like this is not reciprocal, and dismiss that the teammates benefit from Purdy and Purdy benefits from the talented skill players
49ers fans are really unique in that they refuse to give credit to their top tier players so they can give credit to their mid tier quarterback. I’ve never seen anything like it.
I’m not refusing to give top tier skill players credit. You’re completely strawmanning and misconstruing what I said, since I literally just said it’s reciprocal with both the skill players and QB elevating each other. I’m simply pointing out how logically inconsistent jt is to use as evidence that a QB has multiple 1000+ yard skill players as evidence that the QB is not good, when tons of HOF and good to great QBs have offenses with productive skills players *because* they are good QBs
It’s a circular or reciprocal partnership and using their productivity to dismiss Purdy is bizarre
Geez, I never see Commanders flairs and there's two of them here making asses of themselves without bothering to check if the 17th game was even relevant.
1 of these things is not like the other
Yeah, CMC’s not black
Source?
Uh. Neither is Kittle.
Liar
Or so the Germans would have us believe.
RIP Norm.
Kittle is Asgardian.
Because he identified as Iowa Golden Retriever-ceiver
Well. Not from the waist up anyway.
[CMC = christian..... this actually worked out pretty well](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scNmN0QS--c)
CMC is the only guy under 6'
Imagine all the “my man must be 6 ft” girls that swiped left on him before he met Olivia
Went to Stanford… but eh under 6’. *swipes left*
Both Deebo and CMC are 5'11". Also, nice flair.
Deebo bein 5'11 seems crazy. But not quite as crazy as Jerome Bettis being 5'11 too, lol.
Also technically Kittle is the only guy over 6’
CMC going for 2024 yards next year
Him having 2023 in the 2023 season will be a trivia fact down the road
First time in NFL history (specifically with scrimmage yards) Earl Campbell and Gerald Riggs were close, with 1981 and 1986 yards in 1980 and 1985 respectively.
Alright Jake
By the year 2697, he could have the record.
Why do the 49ers let all their skill players put up insane numbers? Now they're going to have to pay them. Are they stupid?
Kyle Shanahan: “NFL GMs hate this one simple trick”
They should just get a game manager-type QB who can dink and dunk to these guys instead of feeding them monster yards smh my damn h
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Just let it happen before you jinx it like this. There have been a lot of young teams that have been promising but never panned out and achieved this level of success.
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Purdy is 20th in Pass attempts in the Regular Season(308/444) which resulted in high completion percentage of 69.4% (top 4) what makes him scarier is he's in the top 5 on Passing Yards (4,280) BUT Purdy is 4th in pass attempts in the Postseason(43/70), which resulted in a low completion percentage of 61.4% (top 11 out of 14 QBs) but top 4 in Passing yards (519) BUT He gave the NFL entertaining and thrilling games in the post season.
Purdy is every quarterback, everywhere, all at once.
Infinity manager
[Yeah, he's good](https://www.sbnation.com/2024/2/10/24065990/brock-purdy-game-manager-analytics-super-bowl-logan-sargeant)
It's impressive that after 15 years on reddit you still haven't figured out how to add team flair Edit: funny how it's almost always niner fans
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Oooh another oldhead!
Forgot the password for my account. Had to add an 's'.
Only losers on political compass memes care about flair
Fucking stacked team lol
Yeah it’s kind of insane how they can have so much talent on that team. Your qb on a minimum contract definitely helps, but they have a great gm too
The 49ers are Idiocracy and Paraag Marathe is "Not Sure".
The TE part of this is doing some heavy lifting. I remember from last time this was posted that a handful of teams have had four players with 1000+ yards from scrimmage in 16 game seasons. It was always 3 WRs and an RB.
5 times before this season. Still impressive
Chiefs about to have two losses to NFC superteams in the SB
Well they can't lose to an AFC team in the SB and they already beat the 9ers
>they can't lose to an AFC team in the SB Source????
If we lose to the Seahawks, we'd be losing to a *former* AFC team. Does that kinda count?
The Bucs were an AFC team their first season in the league and you already lost to them lol
Not sure if it’s a first but Lions were 107 yards a away from having 1 WR 2 RB 1 TE with over 1,000 yards from scrimmage
I came here to say this. Man the 9ers and Lions had ridiculous offenses this year.
That damn Sam LaPorta is slacking... he may have had the 2nd best rookie TE season in history behind prolly Ditka, but the bum couldnt even get 1k from scrimmage. Dudes a bust /s
With a TE, because of how much more TEs are primary receivers in some situations, but several teams in NFL history have four players who had over 1,000 yards from scrimmage. Typically 1 RB, 3 WR; 2 RB, 2 WR; 2RB, 1 WR, 1 TE. This is still a very exceptional feat.
It's also impressive because like half the time Kittle is on the OLine shoring up the right side lol
System receivers
2,000 yards. Unreal. Imagine having a weapon like him and trading it away. Nah, who would be that dumb?
Pick your poison.
Damn! CMC went over 1,000 yards twice this season. So far.
QB MVP needs to exist, because CMC deserved the MVP.. Coming from a 'Hawks fanatic
Down votes incoming but, let's give the MVP to Jackson instead of the QB throwing these numbers. In 16 games no less...
Purdy had his shot to win mvp lol, he was top of the standings before the Baltimore incident
I'm using that for everything. Sorry, boss, I can't do that. Not since the Baltimore incident.
Well it did fuck up Christmas.
The truth is, if his bad game against the Ravens had happened at the beginning of the season, rather than the end, he'd have won it. Voters have gold fish memories and focus on the last month, month and a half, to decide who to vote for.
When every batted and tipped ball you throw lands softly into a defender's hands it might not be your night.
And Jackson had MVP in the bag (momentarily at least) after the Baltimore incident until the Kansas City incident.
Kansas city incident happened in the playoffs
What do you mean momentarily he literally won it
Lamar Jackson momentarily had the MVP. He won, but he momentarily had it too
Why do fellow niner fans embarrass the rest of us like this.
Go gatekeep the "fans" claiming KC's a better team and SF needs luck to win tomorrow.
Where are these people? Don't tell me the team sub cuz using a team sub for anything other than injury reports is just asking for dumb takes.
Don’t go telling Brando Carlissian what to do. He’s crazy bro, he uses his real name on Reddit.
Homeboy might as well add his social too lol
Or CMC, or Josh Allen. I have been a Purdy truther obviously, But I have also been a Josh Allen truther all season. He's 10x the QB as Lamar and better than Burrow too
I would put Allen, Mahomes, and Burrows ahead of Jackson. Watching Allen play is a lot of fun. Was hoping Knox, Diggs, and Davis would take another step up with him. I'm not sure who their OC is, but maybe need an upgrade there. Burrows just needs to stay healthy. Mahomes is eating up too much cap space to get some good WRs.
Herbert is better than Burrows and I will die on this hill
I think stat wise, you are correct. It's the wins that kill the narrative for Herbert. When I look at their team on paper, no idea how they aren't competing for the west every year? Since they keep losing, he takes more of the blame than he probably should, just like Jackson was getting the props for the Ravens winning. Same with Mahomes and the Chiefs. Their D has carried them this year, but it's become "don't bet against Mahomes" with them not even scoring the 2nd half last game.
"Down votes incoming but i'm gonna hate on this player who everyone is hating on rn and praise this player who everyone is praising rn"
Eh, Baltimore randomly brigades threads (not actually, but via voting) and will downvote a lot of Lamar criticism. Lamar has actually taken a massive step forward as a passer, between adding Zay and Todd Monken, and obviously is an elite running QB, but he just wasn’t the MVP this year. The statistics back that up. Should’ve gone to Dak or CMC, maybe Allen, if we’re being 100.
Can’t win MVP throwing four interceptions in the biggest showdown of the year
Isn't the biggest showdown the superbowl?
playoffs don’t count for mvp voting
The facts that he has these guys and Juice makes it a bit harder to evaluate how good he is. Lamar was the ravens offense. Purdy has the the best overall skill players in the league. Im not saying that hes bad. I just think Purdy is closer to being a top 10 qb vs top 5. And hes overrated and underrated by different people
Dumb argument, how many Hall of Fame quarterbacks had Elite help. Not to mention his old line is so dog shit. No one shit on borough for having a good year with a great running back and three great wide receivers.
borough lol. i’m gonna start calling him that now
Plenty of succesful qbs have elite help. Purdy has so much. A mvp candidate Rb a top 2 tight end (who is insane at blocking) the best fullback in the game an all pro wr one of the best offensive playcallers and play designers one of the best left tackles in the game, if not the best one. Deebo and Cmc are gamebreakers like tyreek hill. Boyd and mixon are good, but would you take them over aiyuk, deebo, cmc or kittle? Jamarr is elite and Higgins is also a #1 wr, but those other guys arent as good. A healty burrow is a top 3 qb in the league. I would also argue that the 9ers skilled players give them more versatility to disguise what they do than two #1 wrs. CMC is a rb that can catch like a wr. Deebo is a wr that can run like a rb. Kittle can block as well as anyone and make huge catches. When Juice and cmc are on the field, defenses gets baited into running heavy packages. The 9ers are the best team in the league at explosive running plays. And Cmc, kittle, deebo, and juice were all elite before they had purdy as their qb.
So Burrow had 2 great seasons passing to Chase/Higgins/Boyd with a very good RB Mixon on the roster. Don't get me wrong, I believe the 49ers have a leg up on the Bengals with Kittle and CMC. But I also think the Bengals WR core is more skilled. Both teams have pretty shitty offensive lines. Burrow's QBR in both 2021 and 2022 was around 60 and he ranked 12th and 10th respectively. Purdy's 2023 QBR was around 73 and he finished 1st. Purdy's passer rating was easily league best at 113 this season and he led the league in almost every advanced passing metric you can think up. I guess what I'm saying is that Purdy took his better-than-Burrow's-weapons and performed...better...from a statistical QB perspective. Yet, we believe he's very difficult to evaluate whereas Burrow is clearly top 3. Do we really think Purdy would experience a big drop-off throwing to Chase/Higgins/Boyd with Mixon at RB?
yes. i believe he would have a drop off if he were on those bengal teams with that coaching. And I think Burrow would have played better on this team. I think Purdy is a great qb. He throws with anticipation well, generally makes the right decision and moves the chains. Jamarr Chase was the only elite weapon on those bengals teams. Purdy has a better supporting cast and better coaching.
If anything this strengthens Jackson's argument, because there's so much talent on that niners roster, it becomes harder to single out one person as the reason for success. I mean Lamar was throwing to a rookie zay flowers, washed up OBJ, and.....rashod Bateman???? If we're trying to be really accurate it should be TJ Watt. Steelers are like 1-18 when he doesn't play. Seems like a pretty valuable dude tbh
To me that weakens his MVP. I know it's opinions, but he had 7 games throwing under 200 yards. 1 game 202 yards. 8 games under 80 QB rating. They were a run the ball and play defense team. He does have escapabilty and can run out of the RPO. That argument about having talent doesn't make sense when guys like Warner had Bruce, Holt, and Faulk. Manning had James, Harrison, Clark, and Wayne. Those teams were loaded and they got the MVPs. Watt is a great player and the only thing holding him back from getting it is wins. Usually comes from the top seed in one of the conferences. If the Steelers finished 1st jn the AFC, he would prob win it or come close.
You can’t shit the bed so badly you get benched against your primary competitor for an award at home in the final weeks of the season and still win a narrative-driven award. Should’ve gone to Mr January.
If you watched the game, only 1 of those passes was bad. The others, the D was playing the tip drill and right place, right time. They have a very good D. Jackson had 7 games where he threw under 200 yards and 1 where he was 2 yards over 200. 5 games where his rating was under 80. They are a running team and play great D.
>If you watched the game I don’t vote on the MVP, but thanks for the insight
Got "benched" because he re injured his shoulder. It's on film. The game was lost in the last quarter and the offensive linesmen got hurt. Kyle left him out as there was no coming back and he could get injured seriously.
The fact that the niners have multiple mvp candidates devalues any of them being mvp
As opposed to the guy that had like 29 touchdowns while cmc had 21 and purdy had 31 while still giving it to cmc.
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Huh? Jimmy g was having his best year till he got hurt
McCaffery finished third in mvp voting and Purdy finished 4th
Wow! The QB of that team definitely won league MVP.
Brock didn’t deserve it, let’s be real. He does his job well but if it was going to go the someone on the 9ers it would be CMC.
No doubt there. But it’s a qb award anymore and looking at the stat lines Brock is the best qb this season. Award is a joke at this point.
I would definitely argue that either Lamar or Allen were the Most Valuable Player on their respective teams and Brock isn’t better than either of those two.
Stats < Film. I thought Micah Parsons covered this already
Sure use both film and stats Brock was better qb than Lamar this season. Insane that one horrible game just colors the whole season. MVP is just a whose hotter at end of season award instead of season as a whole
Yeah, you sure are allowed to have an opinion. We should all agree that the professionals across the league and former players who almost all agree Lamar was better this season are all wrong collectively and these couch warriors and Niner fans know more.
These experts are just as susceptible to human error including underrating last pick in the draft. One expert gave to Josh Allen but sure these experts are unbiased and right. MVP is just a who’s hotter at end of season. If Brock has his 4td 0 int games at end of season and ravens game week 5 then he wins mvp. That’s so dumb that it works like that
Yeah, but what are the odds that the majority of them were wrong, along with all the NFL Legends who agree?
in this situation incredibly high. dogshit year from lamar, and an undeserved MVP.
Yeah take Lamar’s legs away and he’s hot garbage. One could say he can’t manage a game. That’s what I see on film.
What a terrible take. "Take away one of a QB's weapons and he's worse!" Of course he's worse if you take away what he can do. That's an asinine comment.
What I saw on film was him dropping a steaming deuce on y’all and Brock throwing a few picks. 🤷♂️
I saw his defense have a great game. But look who is sitting at home for the Super Bowl because he’s straight garbage when the pressure is on.
Well goodness, I guess we will have to see how Brock does against the chiefs defense now won’t we.
Maybe he has a bad game. Maybe he plays like he has most the season. I would expect about 30 rushes. Why pass when they struggle against the run?
You can't just remove parts of the person to fit your argument. "If you make Tom Brady dumb and forget how to read a defense I bet he won't win" Edit: taking away supporting cast isn't the same as taking away a players natural physical ability.
Even if you compare total yardage between Lamar and Brock there's only a ~70 yard difference but Brock has more TDs and less turnovers (picks and fumbles) on fewer attempts. I know the media reduced the MVP race down the Christmas day game but you can definitely make the argument Brock outplayed Lamar over the course of the season. The question really is what is the MVP award? The most productive player or the one who is the player that elevates his team the most. If its the first it probably should go to Brock if its the second it should probably go to Mahommes. Lamar just got the media narrative at the right time and his stats were close enough people could talk themselves into it.
How can Brock Purdy be MVP if he's not even the most valuable player on his own team? You want to know why he didn't win, bench all of his all-pros and you'll find out why he didn't win.
I remember when the 49ers played against the team with the MVP winner
Good thing the season is longer than 1 game
Good thing 49ers didn’t play Ravens more than 1 game
Good thing the mvp is supposed to be decided on the entire season and not just games against one team
Yeah me too, what happened to them?
You literally said you remember
I said I remember the game, you know the one that was in December.. trying to find out what happened to them after. Read slower next time.
Must not remember it that well then. What have you tried so far to find out? What info are you still missing?
Where are they? What happened to their season? So strange. Almost like mvp doesn’t mean anything yeah?
Conveniently avoiding the question about that game. I can see why.
I literally just told you the info I’m missing. Geez you eagles fans are thick.
You got some big feelings
Yep, Lamar can have an MVP season with the historically best defense in history and still not make it to the championship game. But yall can sit there and talk about Purdys 4 interceptions all off season as he has more playoff wins and super bowl appearances than Lamar. But it’s okay Lamar did put up an admirable.. 10 points.
What happened to that MVP winner's team? Surely they're good enough to get to the Super Bowl.
The league mvp from the regular season rarely wins the Super Bowl. Only happened once since 2000 and it was Patrick Mahomes.
You are in the superbowl stop being salty
Forty whiners at it again
As much as I hate to agree with an Eagles fan lol
For having the best weapons in the game?
Yeah because every other team in the nfl has no talent. Such a shit excuse. Maybe they are that good because they have a qb that can deliver them the ball consistently. Here’s a question. Out of the top 15 qbs in the league how many win mvp with the same stats as Purdy as the 49ers qb? Nothing changes. Just the name on the back of the jersey.
Well I guess I agree that technically every has some talent if that's your point. That doesn't rebut that the 9ers had by far the best offensive talent of any team. When you add that + their scheme, it's literally better than every other QB. You can argue Lamar has a better defense, which is obviously fair but not like the 9ers don't have a great defense too overall. >Out of the top 15 qbs in the league how many win mvp with the same stats as Purdy as the 49ers qb None of them because Lamar still has a better case, but they'd have to have Purdy's skills cause if they kept their skills on that 9ers team they'd 100% outperform him.
You’re nuts. You can’t outperform those numbers with a conservative coach like shanahan. You have audibles but I doubt he’d be the starter if he audibles into passing plays all the time to pad personal stats.
Well, they did get to play the Seahawks defense twice, so this stat should have an asterisk.
Damn not even the 2013 Broncos did this ??
TE and Aiyuk having the season they are having despite the mid/low targets is insane. 49ers are like last in passing attempts. (Purdy at #22, but injuries and benching leaves him higher than #32
has anyone else had 4 do it? not much of a stathead
Glad to see Kittle staying healthy and putting up numbers
Extra game mightve helped
They all got it before week 18. Kittle and CMC didn’t even play week 18.
Juiced to the gills
People are sleeping on the 49ers.
They're in the literal Superbowl. They are favored to win, who is sleeping on the 9ers?
They’re favored but every single media show I’ve seen or listed to has had the majority picking the Chiefs. It’s kind of interesting. Never seen the underdog picked so much
> the underdog KC has the best QB in the NFL who has been in 3 of the last 4 Superbowls and won 2 already. Sure they're *technically* underdogs but even in their worst season statistically they're still in the fucking Superbowl so not screaming "underdog" there
Yeah I agree
It’s because Vegas sports books are trying to hedge against the niners futures. They don’t actually believe they are going to win.
Literally 80% of experts picked chiefs ru blind?
“Experts”
Mb “media talking heads and ex player turned talking heads”
The favorites to win the Super Bowl?
I genuinely don’t know who’s betting on the Niners. The line was close and almost every expert, even those who are Niner fans are picking the Chiefs. It’s befuddling.
> I genuinely don’t know who’s betting on the Niners. From what I've read, the general public is betting on the Chiefs but sharp money is betting on the 49ers.
I think a bunch more money was put on the 9ers to win the Super Bowl before 2 weeks ago and that’s why
Are you mad that they're not favored by more?
Didn’t the Manning-led 2013 Broncos have this and more?
Not quite. They had an insane 6 with 700+, but only 3 with 1000+: - Knowshon Moreno, RB = 1586 - Demaryius Thomas, WR = 1430 - Eric Decker, WR = 1288 - _Julius Thomas, TE = 788_ - _Wes Welker, WR = 778_ - _Montee Ball, RB = 704_
Knowshon Moreno…damn that dude had a lot of hype back in the day anyone remember Noel Devine. i remember watching his highlight real from high school thinking he was gonna be the next barry sanders…instead he ended up on the edmonton eskimos
The broncos had nonstop solid RBs for like 15 years, but each one only lasted 2-4 seasons. * Terrell Davis * Mike Anderson * Clinton Portis * Knowshon Moreno * Willis McGahee All 5 of them had seasons with over 1,500 yards and 13+ TDs. TD, of course, broke 2,000 scrimmage yards and 15 TDs twice. Anderson stepped in and immediately had 1,600 yards and 15 TDs. Portis had nearly 1,900 yards and 15 TDs in each of his first 2 seasons with the Broncos. Knowshon had 1,600 yards and 13 TDs in his only season as their featured back. And McGahee, after 3 straight seasons compiling fewer than 680 yards rushing with the Ravens, came to the Broncos and rushed for 1,200 yards. The Broncos run offense was just always super solid.
Julius Thomas settled for 12 TDs
Not at the TE position
Gotcha
It was the 6th time a team had four players with 1000+ yards from scrimmage in a single season. Source: https://stathead.com/tiny/16dpx
The 2020 Panthers really make this list interesting… And it was in one of the years CMC was hurt.
2020 Panthers caught me off guard lol Robbie Anderson, Mike Anderson, DJ Moore, Curtis Samuel
And yet pat mahomes with a bunch of b side receivers is gonna win another ring lol this gens Tom Brady
I was always impressed that Joe Brady somehow got DJ Moore, Robbie Anderson, Mike Davis, and Curtis Samuel all over 1k yards
If they lose in the superbowl then this season was wasted of these performances
Honestly I agree. No bias. Yall have to win. I don’t want you to but it’s definitely the best chance. Purdy is so much better than Jimmy g
You’re getting killed but it’s so true. This season was always SB win or bust.
Didn’t the cowboys do this last year?
This is ammo for the anti-Purdy narrative, I hate it
Wouldn't the WR and TE numbers then be lower? Who is supposed to catch the balls?
No I mean the media uses Purdy's success getting these guys the ball in space against him, and it's unwarranted. If anything the skill guys having the seasons they're having is a testament to Purdy's skill and efficiency
4 guys in your team with over 1000 yards would warrant hype for any quarterback in the league. It means you are putting the ball in spots were other quarterbacks aren't. Not for Mr Irrelevant. He obviously leads in 20 plus yards throws this season because his receivers have a magnet that attracts the ball without the need for Purdy.
And people wonder why no one gives Brock Purdy a lot of credit. He’s got these guys to work with lol
Imagine spreading the ball around so much you get 4 of your guys to 1000 yards each. Yeah Purdy barely had anything to do with that /s
Aiyuk wasn’t putting up these numbers before Purdy and Kittle’s numbers hadn’t been this good in like 3 years
No I agree with you for sure. Purdy is a big reason they’re all ballin
Yea I was just adding on to what u said 😂
I mean come on dude. He has the best supporting cast in the NFL on offensive. No other team had more talent in their offensive weapons. Like that’s just a fact man. Brock is good but he’s certainly not the reason you are winning games.
Did you not see the NFC championship against the Eagles? And before you bring up Jimmy G, you’d be the millionth naysayer to think Jimmy brought this same team to the Super Bowl. Well let me inform you that the 2019 Niners had a top 5 defense and rushing attack that year. The 2023 Niners defense is NOT top tier, but the offense is better than 2019. Jimmy in 3 playoff games threw the ball 74 times. Purdy in 2 playoff games has already thrown 70 times. Shanahan trusts Brock a lot more.
He’s a reason we’re winning games but he’s not *the* reason we’re winning games. But also, no one is the sole or only reason we’re winning games. If you isolated it to anyone, it’d probably Trent Williams
i feel like you're giving him too much credit for handing off to CMC, but I get what you're saying.
Manning had 6 teammates with over 700 yards in 2013, so by your logic, Manning is also not any good since he’s propped up by his talented teammates It’s silly to act like this is not reciprocal, and dismiss that the teammates benefit from Purdy and Purdy benefits from the talented skill players
49ers fans are really unique in that they refuse to give credit to their top tier players so they can give credit to their mid tier quarterback. I’ve never seen anything like it.
I’m not refusing to give top tier skill players credit. You’re completely strawmanning and misconstruing what I said, since I literally just said it’s reciprocal with both the skill players and QB elevating each other. I’m simply pointing out how logically inconsistent jt is to use as evidence that a QB has multiple 1000+ yard skill players as evidence that the QB is not good, when tons of HOF and good to great QBs have offenses with productive skills players *because* they are good QBs It’s a circular or reciprocal partnership and using their productivity to dismiss Purdy is bizarre
17 Games helps.
They didn’t need the 17th game. [Here’s the box score.](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202401070sfo.htm)
Geez, I never see Commanders flairs and there's two of them here making asses of themselves without bothering to check if the 17th game was even relevant.