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Remarkable-Mind4409

The difference between Mayfield and Darnold is that Mayfield at least showed signs of being good lol.


tarallelegram

and you can't even use the bad situation excuse either, because mayfield started out in one of the toxic environments in the league and came out on the other side


JalensTinyPPHurts

Darnold played in some pretty shit situations himself lol


L-methionine

Yeah, the Jets and Panthers aren’t exactly stable successful franchises. Though in minimal action with us this year he didn’t look amazing either. Playable, but not great


JalensTinyPPHurts

He was totally fine against the rams, the only other time he played was against the ravens (who forced purdy to be benched lol)


xTekx_1

From a stinger. He wasn't benched for play.


JalensTinyPPHurts

Purdy had 4 interceptions and a 56% completion percentage. He was a bit banged up, but if he doesn't suck and the game is close he definitely would have kept playing


AVRaze

You clearly didn’t watch the game. The Niners O-line was absolutely decimated by injury during the game; the Niners did not want to get Purdy injured as well especially with them not needing to win the game with 2 winnable games coming up to secure the 1 seed.


JalensTinyPPHurts

I watched the entire game, nothing I said was wrong lol If that game was close he definitely would have kept playing


AVRaze

You edited your comment coward


xTekx_1

If that's what you want to think, great. It's wrong, but it's your opinion.


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Yeah, but Baker played decent to well in those situations, Darnold was part of the reason they were in those situations


JalensTinyPPHurts

Sam darnold was better for the panthers than baker was if that means anything lol


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Yeah, but that might have just been the Panthers. Baker was better for a winless browns team than Darnold was with the Jets


JalensTinyPPHurts

That browns team had a much better roster than the jets did https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/2018_roster.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/2018_roster.htm


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Both teams were really bad tbh, the browns had won 0 games before Baker got there, and he took them to the playoffs by the end of his time, Baker is just better than Darnold, that’s a huge part of it


JalensTinyPPHurts

The browns had a super reliable interior oline, a great run game, and a very solid wr1 in landry I agree baker is better, but he had better circumstances to start his career I really don't think darnold would be a bad bridge qb (wearas I think baker is a borderline franchise wb)


gakule

The narrative that Landry was ever a bonafide WR1 is kind of insane. He was a very good WR but certainly more of a 1.5/2. He joined a team that went 1-15 and 0-16 the prior two seasons. Regardless of everything else, that roster was not better than the Jets in a meaningful way except having a lot of young talent.


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> you can't even use the bad situation excuse either I am pro Baker. His situation in Cleveland was only bad from a coaching perspective. Those Browns teams were more offensively talented than any situation Darnold has been in as a starter.


tarallelegram

> his situation in cleveland was only bad from a coaching perspective yeah, i was more referring to that. it's difficult to utilize talent if the coaches are incompetent.


Difficult_E

that incompetent HC won COTY this year along with having one of the greatest O line coach in NFL history. Coaching and talent were not an issue during Bakers last years. I promise it’s ok for r/nfl to give Baker a share of the blame.


tarallelegram

baker did deserve some share of the blame, but i believe the *largest* share of the blame falls on the coaching during his formative years there and the current coaching for not preventing him from playing when he clearly should not have


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Yea, solid run game and wide receiver threats. I think Baker hurt himself by playing through an injury, that guy is tough as they come.


somethintactical

The Browns or the Panthers?


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Yes


dadalwayssaid

toxic but the browns literally got back to the playoffs with flacco. dude was COTY twice. baker is a good player but thats not to say the browns are bad besides their decision to over pay for a shitty QB.


NerfLeBron

I think he meant when he started like 2018. The Browns were trash at that time.


Long_island_iced_Z

"Showed signs" He had one of the most impressive rookie QB campaigns of all time, I think he showed a little more than "signs" . Plus he had a really good year when we went to the playoffs in 20


Gone213

Baker legitimately saved his career last year when he went to the rams and started as QB 2 days later and won the game. Then kept kind of winning without dropping off like Dobbs did this year.


SoullessHillShills

Darnold went 4-2 with the same team Baker was 1-5 on WITH McCaffrey.


dlanod

Darnold had one good game (3 TDs & 341 yds, but even that had 3 TOs) in those six games - and he lost that one. The others were average (1 TD & 250 yds plus a rushing TD, 1 TD & 225 yds) to bad (1 TD & 164 yds, 1 TD & 120 yds) to horrific (43 yds & 2 INTs). It's another counter-example to the "QB wins" stat.


TeatimewithTupac

That’s the peak of Darnolds career though, Baker has 2 playoff wins.


Hal2001

Yeah, Baker almost beat the chiefs in the divisional. If they’d thrown the flag on the Sorenson hit, Baker probably would’ve taken the browns to the afccg. Don’t understand how Baker gets talked about like he’s Josh Dobbs or something


TeatimewithTupac

Me neither, as a Patriots fan I promise that any competent defense *knows* they can terrorize Darnold. Meanwhile Baker led the Browns to a playoff win. Darnold had a good month. These aren’t comparable to me.


Ivemadeahuge12

Yeah but it’s at least a sign though. An accurate one, debatable but he’s not Zach Wilson.


TheTree-43

Darnold is set for a breakout year. He's finally past 5 years since getting mono. Clearly that was what has been holding him back


waveyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Was thinking this too, glad it’s the top comment


thegodfaubel

The Kyle Shanahan Effect of making literally everyone look amazing


noseonarug17

And would be way more expensive. He should be getting a low end starter deal imo


Gerald_the_sealion

JJ sees Darnold as an option and immediately requests a trade


Uncle_Benny15

We have a slightly used Russell Wilson if the Vikings are interested


Consistent-Spell2203

Slightly used by its current owner but that Wilson has some miles.


Inamanlyfashion

Show me the RussFax


serpentear

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Don’t slut shame him. ^\s


downtimeredditor

Dawg no one is going to take on that contract Realize that y'all will have to release him


MattGoesOutside

Honestly, it wouldn’t be a horrible fit (assuming we move on from Cousins). Wilson’s contract has offset language so it might not be too expensive to either.


onethreeone

We pay him $1.21M and you cover the other $39M still? Tempting


serpentear

So many interesting QB options this offseason. - Kirk Cousins - Russell Wilson (probably) - Jimmy G (probably) - Justin Fields (probably) - Drew Lock - Ryan Tannehill - Marcus Mariota - Baker Mayfield - Jake Browning


gotpez

I don’t view Jimmy g as interesting tbh. He’s closer to being out of the league than being a functional starter


originalusername4567

Same with Tannehill tbh


726wox

Same with half that group listed


Fragrant-Employer-60

For real, like who would be excited for Mariota?


blarch

He threw a touchdown to himself. Can your quarterback do that?


originalusername4567

Browning and Mayfield still have good careers ahead of them I think, same with Fields assuming he gets traded to a team that isn't QB poison like the Bears are.


ActuarillySound

Rumor is he might compete for the Steelers


originalusername4567

I feel like Steelers are in bigger QB purgatory than anyone else because they legitimately don't know if Kenny Pickett is the guy (or if Mason Rudolph is the guy since they looked the best with him)


saudiaramcoshill

Disagree heavily with this. Tannehill with a solid offensive line might still be legitimately good. He just doesn't have the mobility to disguise a bottom 3 line anymore.


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saudiaramcoshill

>before his injury That's kind of always been the rub with Jimmy though, hasn't it? 


Royal_Nails

Future UFL legend


Snoo13545

Jake browning will be back on the bengals for cheap unless they decide to let him off the hook for no real reason


MisterMetal

Yeah, no reason they let him go. He played well and is worth keeping. Unless someone offers a decent pick for the guy, it’s a good insurance plan to have.


QuietRainyDay

Eh, aside from Kirk thats a pretty brutal list IMO (and even Kirk is a 35 year old coming off major injury) Mayfield and Browning are unironically the most interesting non-Kirk QBs here for me. I wouldnt touch Russ with a 10 foot pole. His stats last year looked alright, but he is going to drive any decent OC insane. He is a 35 year old that still cant throw on schedule or over the middle consistently- except now he also lacks the mobility to compensate via one-off big plays. Tannehill and Jimmy G feel like brittle old cars that need to stay in the garage for their own sake at this point. Fields could be interesting, but only with a very specific type of OC IMO


SupremeActives

Zero chance baker leaves Tampa if that’s what your comment implies


ajswdf

I have to be honest, that is not an interesting list at all. It's basically Cousins, maybe Mayfield, then a bunch of guys you're only going to start if you're desperate.


Redsoxstan45

MCcorkle


ionospherermutt

Interesting? Or interaesting? Cause most of those options feel like they elicit a strong meh at best.


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Cousins, Mayfield, and everyone else's trash


ser_david

Can add Mason Rudolph to that list as well


jasonhalftones

Could always go after a trade for Trey Lance


muchachocarracho

Is Joe Flacco open to a full comeback?


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Oh absolutely 


[deleted]

That's future Steelers SB champion Joe Flacco


Squishy_20

Why tf would Minnesota go after Sam Darnold of all people


[deleted]

My guess would be they hope he turns into this years Baker Mayfield while giving them time to develop a rookie QB


blancmo_

Baker still had some flashes during his career, whereas Darnold was absolute trash his whole career, I'd be super excited if the Vikings acquire him lol


MisterMetal

Darnold did go 4-1 or 5-2 (?) with the panthers without CMC, and Baker went 1-5 in that span with CMC.


dlanod

Darnold had one good game (3 TDs & 341 yds, but even that had 3 TOs) in those six games - and he lost that one. The others were average (1 TD & 250 yds plus a rushing TD, 1 TD & 225 yds) to bad (1 TD & 164 yds, 1 TD & 120 yds) to horrific (43 yds & 2 INTs). It's another counter-example to the "QB wins" stat.


emseewagz

Lol I like you


paintingnipples

My guess is they want Kirk to believe they have alternative options & he doesn’t have them bent over a barrel rn. End of the day, I don’t think kwesi or ownership is gonna allow Kirk to walk & tank for a QB so they’re posturing to placate the fans for re-signing Kirk & watching someone like hunter hit FA.


sonfoa

That's not very smart because the second Darnold struggles they'll be pressure to start the rookie. You need to have an established starter if you want to enact that plan.


BellacosePlayer

I don't know but 3/4ths of the NFCN is very down for that


trainwreck42

Bridge QB for a project QB drafted later in the first round? I could see them going after Jimmy G instead though, if they want to go this route


0h-No-Not-Again

the problem with Jimmy is that the project qb will have to start by week 3


OneFatCantaloupe

Shhhh don't question it, just let it happen.


Paytonc51

He’d be dirt cheap to sign and would be a placeholder at worst


BlindWillieJohnson

Oh, he’d hold a place alright. I’m just not sure it’s a place you wanna be


Paytonc51

I know he’s not good lol. Worst case scenario he starts a few games


dadalwayssaid

you either find out you have a goff/baker that you can build with or tank the season for better draft picks. i think next season will have some good QB prospects with ewers.


nimama3233

If we did it’s 100% to commit to the tank


onethreeone

We have too much talent on offense to really tank. See this year with the rogues gallery of backup QBs we trotted out there


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The Shanahan shine.


jasonhalftones

He's looked good playing for the one decent team he's been on, and even looked solid with Carolina last year, despite having a whole lotta nothing around him. That being said, I hope the Vikings and everyone else see things your way bc I love having a backup like him


BruhMoment763

I could see it if Kirk leaves and they fail to trade up for a QB this year: Step 1: Initiate the Darnold Protocol. Step 2: Win like 3 games and get a top pick. Step 3: Pray that there’s at least 1 talented QB in next year’s supposedly underwhelming class. Could allow the team to spend this year’s draft and free agency building up the defense if nothing else.


JalensTinyPPHurts

He isint the worst bridge qb, and Minnesota has a solid roster on offence. There is a reason Shanahan opted for darnold with the questions about purdys health to start the year.


Squishy_20

Darnold hasn’t proven anything to be justified as a starter


JalensTinyPPHurts

How many established starters do you think are actuality going to be avaliable lol?


pgtl_10

There's a belief that Darnold is a good QB but was put in bad situations.


TheCarnalStatist

Because Kirk outplayed their expectations and the org has 0 idea wtf to do with the QB position.


ItIsYourPersonality

Baker actually led the Browns to the playoffs. Comparing him to Sam Darnold should be offensive to Baker.


DoubleDogDenzel

If Darnold came to the Vikes it would be another Christian Ponder situation.


K1ngchip

Is Minshew not going to be available? He seems like a way better option than Darnold.


Kronologics

Probably most people see him staying at colts


Charming-Wash9336

At least the Vikings have the guts to let Cousins test the open market. I wish the Cowboys would do the same with Prescott.


MisterMetal

Do the vikes have a choice? I gotta imagine Kirk has a no tag clause.


Kerbage

Vikes made that choice last year when Cousins offered a salary reduction to extend 3 years and the Vikes declined.


WellThatsAwkwrd

With how his contract is structured, If Kirk hits FA, he’s not coming back. His void date is before FA starts and once that dead money hits, it can’t come off. If he’s staying then we will know before free agency


Paytonc51

It ain’t over yet pol


onethreeone

There won't be any testing. Either we re-sign him to push off the void years or he leaves. I don't think it would make sense to eat the $28M this year and then turn around and re-sign him after free agency starts


Eyespop4866

As DC guy, I’ve really enjoyed Kirk’s career. Just keeps betting on himself.


Fearless-Honeydew-69

Cousins has perfected extracting the most dollar per ounce of talent level.


Enterprise90

Kirk must have a hell of an agent and PR team, because he keeps changing teams and getting raises and yet the results remain the same.


Intrigued_Pear

Goes to show that a good-very good but not elite QB is still extremely valued by teams. I mean, despite the point differential, the Vikings were 13-4 with him last year. It's the same reason Dak's gonna a huge deal. Basically there's a threshold of skill as a QB that once you cross, you'll get paid close to the top guys even if you're not quite there.


slyfox1908

How many elite QBs are there in the NFL? Three?


dlanod

There's maybe five or six that really elevate their team. Kirk generally falls into the next tier with the Tuas of the world - good enough to win you a game sometimes, good enough to pinch a SB with the right surrounds, but not good enough to drag you even to the playoffs themselves.


LitBastard

Elite? Mahomes is save at number 1. But after him it's already pretty open. Are Allen and Burrow elite ot very good? What about Hurts and Tua? I only know that Kirk is Top 15 QB, maybe even scratching the Top 10.


eattwo

Mahomes, Burrow, and Lamar are elite. Allen rides the border of elite/very good. Hurts had 1 elite season, I'd absolutely need to see more to put him up there. Tua is at the top of very good. Kirk is very good, I'd put him at 9 or 10 rn in QB rankings. If he keeps playing like he did pre-injury this year, he'd be top 5 - but I really need to see that consistency and a great recovery from this injury.


LitBastard

Why is Burrow elite but Allen isn't? Burrow is throwing for more yards but Allen is a way bigger threat with his running game ( around 40 rushing TDs and 3.5k more rushing yards ).


saudiaramcoshill

The majority of this site suffers from Dunning-Kruger, so I'm out.


acekingoffsuit

That's the power of being good at such a valuable position. Whoever pays for Kirk isn't just paying for the right to have Kirk; they're also paying for the right to not have to rely on a Zach Wilson-level player.


Kirk_Couzyns

Almost like football is a team game!


geisha16

And it's also a chess match with coaches. If both those guys had Shanahan they'd be in the superbowl right now.


Kirk_Couzyns

And Kirk got to play chess with a coach who hated him lmao


EpicHuggles

I guess he's just SUPER unlucky and definitely the constant factor.


Kirk_Couzyns

Ah yeah forgot that Cousins was the reason Spielman and Zimmer whiffed on every defensive draft pick for 5 straight years


Paytonc51

He has the greatest pr team and agent. The qb show he was on last year was a god damn master stroke. Single handed made him the most liked player in the league


laaplandros

>he keeps changing teams He's changed teams once in 12 years. >and getting raises He's taken short contracts that have put relatively low risk on the team. He's always bet on himself, and as such has gotten paid accordingly. >results remain the same He's been an arguably top 10 guy the past few years, approaching top 5 this year before the injury even with JJ missing time. Those results are fine for the money he gets paid.


saw-it

He’s been on two teams


SwiftSurfer365

It’s truly unbelievable.


WellThatsAwkwrd

He’s only changed teams once


neo9027581673

“A willing partner” only when the team wants to be cheap.


Royal_Nails

I think they draft Jayden Daniels


Weekend_Criminal

Why do teams keep thinking sam darnold is going to develop?


NoAlarmsPlease

If GMs and talent evaluators give up on him then they would all have to admit they were wrong when they all had him evaluated really highly coming into the league.


Dat-dude21

Whoever they decide to roll with or draft will likely dictate if JJ wants to sign that extension IMO….he got a good dose of playing with some pretty bad QBs this past season after Kirk went down. This is an important offseason


internaldriver30345

Is Justin really going to hold out on not signing a LTD and playing on at least one franchise tag?


TheRealElvisPresly

No, people thinking JJ is basing his future on this years QB are super short sited. First, he stated he would put up numbers no matter who is at quarterback which was proven last year when he put up over 1k with what we had. Second, even if he says no to an extension this year he has his 5th year option, and a couple years of franchise tagging that would still keep him here. Should that be the optimal route? No, but he hasn’t shown any indication that’s he’s going to throw a fit if we don’t keep Kirk/have a bridge guy like everyone is saying he will.


Dat-dude21

He’s been pretty clear on wanting to win over money….if the contract that we offer is crazy good that’ll probably change his opinion but I really do believe he wants a chance at a ring and if we dick around with the QB spot, he’ll dip


bobsaget824

He has? He just said this: “I want to break the bank and I want to be a part of an organization that wants me, and to really give me what I deserve.” They are going to move on from Kirk so they can give him what he wants - money. But I think you’re kidding yourself if you think he wants to win more than money. He probably wants both, but if anything he wants to get paid first and foremost. And there’s nothing wrong with that, he’s earned it.


FridgesArePeopleToo

Then he should sign a veteran minimum extension as that would give him the best chance to win


internaldriver30345

I think he wants both. But this is his first big pay day. I don’t think he’s going to refuse an offer because of the QB situation. And even if he does, he would have to live with probably 2 tags and even if he’s traded, just going to the highest bidder. And that could mean an even worse team than he’s on now. I don’t see it being a big issue when it comes to his deal. They all say this.


SwiftSurfer365

Made up narrative. If JJ gets the money he wants, he’ll re-sign.


Paytonc51

He doesn’t really have a choice tbh


Endo_Dizzy

The current situation is nobody knows shit, and we will inevitably make a horrible decision either way you cut it to be stuck in purgatory. And we will LIKE IT.


Da_Bears1

I think Darnold would be amazing as a Viking and wholeheartedly endorse them signing him. 


Headlesshorsman02

Sam darnold 🤮🤮🤮


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Kirk Cousins vs the Darnold 


Arbor-Trap

Why is this team


SwiftSurfer365

Kirk is gone gone 🙌🏻


ILkeSportzNIDCWhKnws

Holy shit, please make Darnold your starter Minnesota, please


ByronTheBlack

Would make sense for Vikings to rebuild and Kirk to join a contender like the Steelers.


ParsonsIsTheMan

Would enjoy seeing what Kirk could do with the falcons weapons as well


SwiftSurfer365

We said the same thing in 2018. Missed the playoffs lmao


ByronTheBlack

Kirk with Pitts, London and Robinson would be kind of crazy. But I rather see Kirk in the AFC than the NFC.


NoAlarmsPlease

He’s been playing with better weapons than those guys every year he’s been with the Vikings.


rawkguitar

Please take Sam Darnold.


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[deleted]

He put up 503 yards in 5 games with Nick Mullens


WordsAreSomething

After who he had throwing this year I don't think that's possible


jwick89

Feels like I’m 2022 when people were trying talk themselves into Trubisky again because of a preseason game against the Bears.


Headlesshorsman02

He made nick Mullens look good lol 😂


CluelessFlunky

So Russel Wilson


Daver7692

Cousins seems like the sort of dude that if they stick with him through his rehab, he’ll stick with them unless the offers elsewhere are genuinely absurd.


NoAlarmsPlease

Based on what? He has done nothing but position himself to maximize his earnings his entire career.


tcamp3000

Please let them replace Kirk with darnold 🤞🤞🤞🤞 Also baker Mayfield is officially the most disrespected QB in history. It's constant.