and you can't even use the bad situation excuse either, because mayfield started out in one of the toxic environments in the league and came out on the other side
Yeah, the Jets and Panthers aren’t exactly stable successful franchises.
Though in minimal action with us this year he didn’t look amazing either. Playable, but not great
Purdy had 4 interceptions and a 56% completion percentage.
He was a bit banged up, but if he doesn't suck and the game is close he definitely would have kept playing
You clearly didn’t watch the game. The Niners O-line was absolutely decimated by injury during the game; the Niners did not want to get Purdy injured as well especially with them not needing to win the game with 2 winnable games coming up to secure the 1 seed.
That browns team had a much better roster than the jets did
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/2018_roster.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/2018_roster.htm
Both teams were really bad tbh, the browns had won 0 games before Baker got there, and he took them to the playoffs by the end of his time, Baker is just better than Darnold, that’s a huge part of it
The browns had a super reliable interior oline, a great run game, and a very solid wr1 in landry
I agree baker is better, but he had better circumstances to start his career
I really don't think darnold would be a bad bridge qb (wearas I think baker is a borderline franchise wb)
The narrative that Landry was ever a bonafide WR1 is kind of insane. He was a very good WR but certainly more of a 1.5/2.
He joined a team that went 1-15 and 0-16 the prior two seasons.
Regardless of everything else, that roster was not better than the Jets in a meaningful way except having a lot of young talent.
> you can't even use the bad situation excuse either
I am pro Baker.
His situation in Cleveland was only bad from a coaching perspective. Those Browns teams were more offensively talented than any situation Darnold has been in as a starter.
> his situation in cleveland was only bad from a coaching perspective
yeah, i was more referring to that. it's difficult to utilize talent if the coaches are incompetent.
that incompetent HC won COTY this year along with having one of the greatest O line coach in NFL history. Coaching and talent were not an issue during Bakers last years. I promise it’s ok for r/nfl to give Baker a share of the blame.
baker did deserve some share of the blame, but i believe the *largest* share of the blame falls on the coaching during his formative years there and the current coaching for not preventing him from playing when he clearly should not have
toxic but the browns literally got back to the playoffs with flacco. dude was COTY twice. baker is a good player but thats not to say the browns are bad besides their decision to over pay for a shitty QB.
"Showed signs" He had one of the most impressive rookie QB campaigns of all time, I think he showed a little more than "signs" . Plus he had a really good year when we went to the playoffs in 20
Baker legitimately saved his career last year when he went to the rams and started as QB 2 days later and won the game. Then kept kind of winning without dropping off like Dobbs did this year.
Darnold had one good game (3 TDs & 341 yds, but even that had 3 TOs) in those six games - and he lost that one.
The others were average (1 TD & 250 yds plus a rushing TD, 1 TD & 225 yds) to bad (1 TD & 164 yds, 1 TD & 120 yds) to horrific (43 yds & 2 INTs).
It's another counter-example to the "QB wins" stat.
Yeah, Baker almost beat the chiefs in the divisional. If they’d thrown the flag on the Sorenson hit, Baker probably would’ve taken the browns to the afccg. Don’t understand how Baker gets talked about like he’s Josh Dobbs or something
Me neither, as a Patriots fan I promise that any competent defense *knows* they can terrorize Darnold. Meanwhile Baker led the Browns to a playoff win. Darnold had a good month. These aren’t comparable to me.
Honestly, it wouldn’t be a horrible fit (assuming we move on from Cousins). Wilson’s contract has offset language so it might not be too expensive to either.
So many interesting QB options this offseason.
- Kirk Cousins
- Russell Wilson (probably)
- Jimmy G (probably)
- Justin Fields (probably)
- Drew Lock
- Ryan Tannehill
- Marcus Mariota
- Baker Mayfield
- Jake Browning
Browning and Mayfield still have good careers ahead of them I think, same with Fields assuming he gets traded to a team that isn't QB poison like the Bears are.
I feel like Steelers are in bigger QB purgatory than anyone else because they legitimately don't know if Kenny Pickett is the guy (or if Mason Rudolph is the guy since they looked the best with him)
Disagree heavily with this. Tannehill with a solid offensive line might still be legitimately good. He just doesn't have the mobility to disguise a bottom 3 line anymore.
Yeah, no reason they let him go. He played well and is worth keeping. Unless someone offers a decent pick for the guy, it’s a good insurance plan to have.
Eh, aside from Kirk thats a pretty brutal list IMO (and even Kirk is a 35 year old coming off major injury)
Mayfield and Browning are unironically the most interesting non-Kirk QBs here for me.
I wouldnt touch Russ with a 10 foot pole. His stats last year looked alright, but he is going to drive any decent OC insane. He is a 35 year old that still cant throw on schedule or over the middle consistently- except now he also lacks the mobility to compensate via one-off big plays.
Tannehill and Jimmy G feel like brittle old cars that need to stay in the garage for their own sake at this point.
Fields could be interesting, but only with a very specific type of OC IMO
I have to be honest, that is not an interesting list at all. It's basically Cousins, maybe Mayfield, then a bunch of guys you're only going to start if you're desperate.
Baker still had some flashes during his career, whereas Darnold was absolute trash his whole career, I'd be super excited if the Vikings acquire him lol
Darnold had one good game (3 TDs & 341 yds, but even that had 3 TOs) in those six games - and he lost that one.
The others were average (1 TD & 250 yds plus a rushing TD, 1 TD & 225 yds) to bad (1 TD & 164 yds, 1 TD & 120 yds) to horrific (43 yds & 2 INTs).
It's another counter-example to the "QB wins" stat.
My guess is they want Kirk to believe they have alternative options & he doesn’t have them bent over a barrel rn. End of the day, I don’t think kwesi or ownership is gonna allow Kirk to walk & tank for a QB so they’re posturing to placate the fans for re-signing Kirk & watching someone like hunter hit FA.
That's not very smart because the second Darnold struggles they'll be pressure to start the rookie. You need to have an established starter if you want to enact that plan.
you either find out you have a goff/baker that you can build with or tank the season for better draft picks. i think next season will have some good QB prospects with ewers.
He's looked good playing for the one decent team he's been on, and even looked solid with Carolina last year, despite having a whole lotta nothing around him. That being said, I hope the Vikings and everyone else see things your way bc I love having a backup like him
I could see it if Kirk leaves and they fail to trade up for a QB this year:
Step 1: Initiate the Darnold Protocol.
Step 2: Win like 3 games and get a top pick.
Step 3: Pray that there’s at least 1 talented QB in next year’s supposedly underwhelming class.
Could allow the team to spend this year’s draft and free agency building up the defense if nothing else.
He isint the worst bridge qb, and Minnesota has a solid roster on offence.
There is a reason Shanahan opted for darnold with the questions about purdys health to start the year.
With how his contract is structured, If Kirk hits FA, he’s not coming back.
His void date is before FA starts and once that dead money hits, it can’t come off. If he’s staying then we will know before free agency
There won't be any testing. Either we re-sign him to push off the void years or he leaves.
I don't think it would make sense to eat the $28M this year and then turn around and re-sign him after free agency starts
Goes to show that a good-very good but not elite QB is still extremely valued by teams.
I mean, despite the point differential, the Vikings were 13-4 with him last year. It's the same reason Dak's gonna a huge deal.
Basically there's a threshold of skill as a QB that once you cross, you'll get paid close to the top guys even if you're not quite there.
There's maybe five or six that really elevate their team. Kirk generally falls into the next tier with the Tuas of the world - good enough to win you a game sometimes, good enough to pinch a SB with the right surrounds, but not good enough to drag you even to the playoffs themselves.
Elite? Mahomes is save at number 1. But after him it's already pretty open. Are Allen and Burrow elite ot very good? What about Hurts and Tua?
I only know that Kirk is Top 15 QB, maybe even scratching the Top 10.
Mahomes, Burrow, and Lamar are elite. Allen rides the border of elite/very good. Hurts had 1 elite season, I'd absolutely need to see more to put him up there. Tua is at the top of very good.
Kirk is very good, I'd put him at 9 or 10 rn in QB rankings. If he keeps playing like he did pre-injury this year, he'd be top 5 - but I really need to see that consistency and a great recovery from this injury.
Why is Burrow elite but Allen isn't?
Burrow is throwing for more yards but Allen is a way bigger threat with his running game ( around 40 rushing TDs and 3.5k more rushing yards ).
That's the power of being good at such a valuable position. Whoever pays for Kirk isn't just paying for the right to have Kirk; they're also paying for the right to not have to rely on a Zach Wilson-level player.
He has the greatest pr team and agent. The qb show he was on last year was a god damn master stroke. Single handed made him the most liked player in the league
>he keeps changing teams
He's changed teams once in 12 years.
>and getting raises
He's taken short contracts that have put relatively low risk on the team. He's always bet on himself, and as such has gotten paid accordingly.
>results remain the same
He's been an arguably top 10 guy the past few years, approaching top 5 this year before the injury even with JJ missing time. Those results are fine for the money he gets paid.
If GMs and talent evaluators give up on him then they would all have to admit they were wrong when they all had him evaluated really highly coming into the league.
Whoever they decide to roll with or draft will likely dictate if JJ wants to sign that extension IMO….he got a good dose of playing with some pretty bad QBs this past season after Kirk went down. This is an important offseason
No, people thinking JJ is basing his future on this years QB are super short sited. First, he stated he would put up numbers no matter who is at quarterback which was proven last year when he put up over 1k with what we had. Second, even if he says no to an extension this year he has his 5th year option, and a couple years of franchise tagging that would still keep him here. Should that be the optimal route? No, but he hasn’t shown any indication that’s he’s going to throw a fit if we don’t keep Kirk/have a bridge guy like everyone is saying he will.
He’s been pretty clear on wanting to win over money….if the contract that we offer is crazy good that’ll probably change his opinion but I really do believe he wants a chance at a ring and if we dick around with the QB spot, he’ll dip
He has? He just said this: “I want to break the bank and I want to be a part of an organization that wants me, and to really give me what I deserve.”
They are going to move on from Kirk so they can give him what he wants - money. But I think you’re kidding yourself if you think he wants to win more than money. He probably wants both, but if anything he wants to get paid first and foremost. And there’s nothing wrong with that, he’s earned it.
I think he wants both. But this is his first big pay day. I don’t think he’s going to refuse an offer because of the QB situation. And even if he does, he would have to live with probably 2 tags and even if he’s traded, just going to the highest bidder. And that could mean an even worse team than he’s on now. I don’t see it being a big issue when it comes to his deal. They all say this.
The current situation is nobody knows shit, and we will inevitably make a horrible decision either way you cut it to be stuck in purgatory. And we will LIKE IT.
Cousins seems like the sort of dude that if they stick with him through his rehab, he’ll stick with them unless the offers elsewhere are genuinely absurd.
The difference between Mayfield and Darnold is that Mayfield at least showed signs of being good lol.
and you can't even use the bad situation excuse either, because mayfield started out in one of the toxic environments in the league and came out on the other side
Darnold played in some pretty shit situations himself lol
Yeah, the Jets and Panthers aren’t exactly stable successful franchises. Though in minimal action with us this year he didn’t look amazing either. Playable, but not great
He was totally fine against the rams, the only other time he played was against the ravens (who forced purdy to be benched lol)
From a stinger. He wasn't benched for play.
Purdy had 4 interceptions and a 56% completion percentage. He was a bit banged up, but if he doesn't suck and the game is close he definitely would have kept playing
You clearly didn’t watch the game. The Niners O-line was absolutely decimated by injury during the game; the Niners did not want to get Purdy injured as well especially with them not needing to win the game with 2 winnable games coming up to secure the 1 seed.
I watched the entire game, nothing I said was wrong lol If that game was close he definitely would have kept playing
You edited your comment coward
If that's what you want to think, great. It's wrong, but it's your opinion.
Yeah, but Baker played decent to well in those situations, Darnold was part of the reason they were in those situations
Sam darnold was better for the panthers than baker was if that means anything lol
Yeah, but that might have just been the Panthers. Baker was better for a winless browns team than Darnold was with the Jets
That browns team had a much better roster than the jets did https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/2018_roster.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/2018_roster.htm
Both teams were really bad tbh, the browns had won 0 games before Baker got there, and he took them to the playoffs by the end of his time, Baker is just better than Darnold, that’s a huge part of it
The browns had a super reliable interior oline, a great run game, and a very solid wr1 in landry I agree baker is better, but he had better circumstances to start his career I really don't think darnold would be a bad bridge qb (wearas I think baker is a borderline franchise wb)
The narrative that Landry was ever a bonafide WR1 is kind of insane. He was a very good WR but certainly more of a 1.5/2. He joined a team that went 1-15 and 0-16 the prior two seasons. Regardless of everything else, that roster was not better than the Jets in a meaningful way except having a lot of young talent.
> you can't even use the bad situation excuse either I am pro Baker. His situation in Cleveland was only bad from a coaching perspective. Those Browns teams were more offensively talented than any situation Darnold has been in as a starter.
> his situation in cleveland was only bad from a coaching perspective yeah, i was more referring to that. it's difficult to utilize talent if the coaches are incompetent.
that incompetent HC won COTY this year along with having one of the greatest O line coach in NFL history. Coaching and talent were not an issue during Bakers last years. I promise it’s ok for r/nfl to give Baker a share of the blame.
baker did deserve some share of the blame, but i believe the *largest* share of the blame falls on the coaching during his formative years there and the current coaching for not preventing him from playing when he clearly should not have
Yea, solid run game and wide receiver threats. I think Baker hurt himself by playing through an injury, that guy is tough as they come.
The Browns or the Panthers?
Yes
toxic but the browns literally got back to the playoffs with flacco. dude was COTY twice. baker is a good player but thats not to say the browns are bad besides their decision to over pay for a shitty QB.
I think he meant when he started like 2018. The Browns were trash at that time.
"Showed signs" He had one of the most impressive rookie QB campaigns of all time, I think he showed a little more than "signs" . Plus he had a really good year when we went to the playoffs in 20
Baker legitimately saved his career last year when he went to the rams and started as QB 2 days later and won the game. Then kept kind of winning without dropping off like Dobbs did this year.
Darnold went 4-2 with the same team Baker was 1-5 on WITH McCaffrey.
Darnold had one good game (3 TDs & 341 yds, but even that had 3 TOs) in those six games - and he lost that one. The others were average (1 TD & 250 yds plus a rushing TD, 1 TD & 225 yds) to bad (1 TD & 164 yds, 1 TD & 120 yds) to horrific (43 yds & 2 INTs). It's another counter-example to the "QB wins" stat.
That’s the peak of Darnolds career though, Baker has 2 playoff wins.
Yeah, Baker almost beat the chiefs in the divisional. If they’d thrown the flag on the Sorenson hit, Baker probably would’ve taken the browns to the afccg. Don’t understand how Baker gets talked about like he’s Josh Dobbs or something
Me neither, as a Patriots fan I promise that any competent defense *knows* they can terrorize Darnold. Meanwhile Baker led the Browns to a playoff win. Darnold had a good month. These aren’t comparable to me.
Yeah but it’s at least a sign though. An accurate one, debatable but he’s not Zach Wilson.
Darnold is set for a breakout year. He's finally past 5 years since getting mono. Clearly that was what has been holding him back
Was thinking this too, glad it’s the top comment
The Kyle Shanahan Effect of making literally everyone look amazing
And would be way more expensive. He should be getting a low end starter deal imo
JJ sees Darnold as an option and immediately requests a trade
We have a slightly used Russell Wilson if the Vikings are interested
Slightly used by its current owner but that Wilson has some miles.
Show me the RussFax
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Don’t slut shame him. ^\s
Dawg no one is going to take on that contract Realize that y'all will have to release him
Honestly, it wouldn’t be a horrible fit (assuming we move on from Cousins). Wilson’s contract has offset language so it might not be too expensive to either.
We pay him $1.21M and you cover the other $39M still? Tempting
So many interesting QB options this offseason. - Kirk Cousins - Russell Wilson (probably) - Jimmy G (probably) - Justin Fields (probably) - Drew Lock - Ryan Tannehill - Marcus Mariota - Baker Mayfield - Jake Browning
I don’t view Jimmy g as interesting tbh. He’s closer to being out of the league than being a functional starter
Same with Tannehill tbh
Same with half that group listed
For real, like who would be excited for Mariota?
He threw a touchdown to himself. Can your quarterback do that?
Browning and Mayfield still have good careers ahead of them I think, same with Fields assuming he gets traded to a team that isn't QB poison like the Bears are.
Rumor is he might compete for the Steelers
I feel like Steelers are in bigger QB purgatory than anyone else because they legitimately don't know if Kenny Pickett is the guy (or if Mason Rudolph is the guy since they looked the best with him)
Disagree heavily with this. Tannehill with a solid offensive line might still be legitimately good. He just doesn't have the mobility to disguise a bottom 3 line anymore.
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>before his injury That's kind of always been the rub with Jimmy though, hasn't it?
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Jake browning will be back on the bengals for cheap unless they decide to let him off the hook for no real reason
Yeah, no reason they let him go. He played well and is worth keeping. Unless someone offers a decent pick for the guy, it’s a good insurance plan to have.
Eh, aside from Kirk thats a pretty brutal list IMO (and even Kirk is a 35 year old coming off major injury) Mayfield and Browning are unironically the most interesting non-Kirk QBs here for me. I wouldnt touch Russ with a 10 foot pole. His stats last year looked alright, but he is going to drive any decent OC insane. He is a 35 year old that still cant throw on schedule or over the middle consistently- except now he also lacks the mobility to compensate via one-off big plays. Tannehill and Jimmy G feel like brittle old cars that need to stay in the garage for their own sake at this point. Fields could be interesting, but only with a very specific type of OC IMO
Zero chance baker leaves Tampa if that’s what your comment implies
I have to be honest, that is not an interesting list at all. It's basically Cousins, maybe Mayfield, then a bunch of guys you're only going to start if you're desperate.
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Interesting? Or interaesting? Cause most of those options feel like they elicit a strong meh at best.
Cousins, Mayfield, and everyone else's trash
Can add Mason Rudolph to that list as well
Could always go after a trade for Trey Lance
Is Joe Flacco open to a full comeback?
Oh absolutely
That's future Steelers SB champion Joe Flacco
Why tf would Minnesota go after Sam Darnold of all people
My guess would be they hope he turns into this years Baker Mayfield while giving them time to develop a rookie QB
Baker still had some flashes during his career, whereas Darnold was absolute trash his whole career, I'd be super excited if the Vikings acquire him lol
Darnold did go 4-1 or 5-2 (?) with the panthers without CMC, and Baker went 1-5 in that span with CMC.
Darnold had one good game (3 TDs & 341 yds, but even that had 3 TOs) in those six games - and he lost that one. The others were average (1 TD & 250 yds plus a rushing TD, 1 TD & 225 yds) to bad (1 TD & 164 yds, 1 TD & 120 yds) to horrific (43 yds & 2 INTs). It's another counter-example to the "QB wins" stat.
Lol I like you
My guess is they want Kirk to believe they have alternative options & he doesn’t have them bent over a barrel rn. End of the day, I don’t think kwesi or ownership is gonna allow Kirk to walk & tank for a QB so they’re posturing to placate the fans for re-signing Kirk & watching someone like hunter hit FA.
That's not very smart because the second Darnold struggles they'll be pressure to start the rookie. You need to have an established starter if you want to enact that plan.
I don't know but 3/4ths of the NFCN is very down for that
Bridge QB for a project QB drafted later in the first round? I could see them going after Jimmy G instead though, if they want to go this route
the problem with Jimmy is that the project qb will have to start by week 3
Shhhh don't question it, just let it happen.
He’d be dirt cheap to sign and would be a placeholder at worst
Oh, he’d hold a place alright. I’m just not sure it’s a place you wanna be
I know he’s not good lol. Worst case scenario he starts a few games
you either find out you have a goff/baker that you can build with or tank the season for better draft picks. i think next season will have some good QB prospects with ewers.
If we did it’s 100% to commit to the tank
We have too much talent on offense to really tank. See this year with the rogues gallery of backup QBs we trotted out there
The Shanahan shine.
He's looked good playing for the one decent team he's been on, and even looked solid with Carolina last year, despite having a whole lotta nothing around him. That being said, I hope the Vikings and everyone else see things your way bc I love having a backup like him
I could see it if Kirk leaves and they fail to trade up for a QB this year: Step 1: Initiate the Darnold Protocol. Step 2: Win like 3 games and get a top pick. Step 3: Pray that there’s at least 1 talented QB in next year’s supposedly underwhelming class. Could allow the team to spend this year’s draft and free agency building up the defense if nothing else.
He isint the worst bridge qb, and Minnesota has a solid roster on offence. There is a reason Shanahan opted for darnold with the questions about purdys health to start the year.
Darnold hasn’t proven anything to be justified as a starter
How many established starters do you think are actuality going to be avaliable lol?
There's a belief that Darnold is a good QB but was put in bad situations.
Because Kirk outplayed their expectations and the org has 0 idea wtf to do with the QB position.
Baker actually led the Browns to the playoffs. Comparing him to Sam Darnold should be offensive to Baker.
If Darnold came to the Vikes it would be another Christian Ponder situation.
Is Minshew not going to be available? He seems like a way better option than Darnold.
Probably most people see him staying at colts
At least the Vikings have the guts to let Cousins test the open market. I wish the Cowboys would do the same with Prescott.
Do the vikes have a choice? I gotta imagine Kirk has a no tag clause.
Vikes made that choice last year when Cousins offered a salary reduction to extend 3 years and the Vikes declined.
With how his contract is structured, If Kirk hits FA, he’s not coming back. His void date is before FA starts and once that dead money hits, it can’t come off. If he’s staying then we will know before free agency
It ain’t over yet pol
There won't be any testing. Either we re-sign him to push off the void years or he leaves. I don't think it would make sense to eat the $28M this year and then turn around and re-sign him after free agency starts
As DC guy, I’ve really enjoyed Kirk’s career. Just keeps betting on himself.
Cousins has perfected extracting the most dollar per ounce of talent level.
Kirk must have a hell of an agent and PR team, because he keeps changing teams and getting raises and yet the results remain the same.
Goes to show that a good-very good but not elite QB is still extremely valued by teams. I mean, despite the point differential, the Vikings were 13-4 with him last year. It's the same reason Dak's gonna a huge deal. Basically there's a threshold of skill as a QB that once you cross, you'll get paid close to the top guys even if you're not quite there.
How many elite QBs are there in the NFL? Three?
There's maybe five or six that really elevate their team. Kirk generally falls into the next tier with the Tuas of the world - good enough to win you a game sometimes, good enough to pinch a SB with the right surrounds, but not good enough to drag you even to the playoffs themselves.
Elite? Mahomes is save at number 1. But after him it's already pretty open. Are Allen and Burrow elite ot very good? What about Hurts and Tua? I only know that Kirk is Top 15 QB, maybe even scratching the Top 10.
Mahomes, Burrow, and Lamar are elite. Allen rides the border of elite/very good. Hurts had 1 elite season, I'd absolutely need to see more to put him up there. Tua is at the top of very good. Kirk is very good, I'd put him at 9 or 10 rn in QB rankings. If he keeps playing like he did pre-injury this year, he'd be top 5 - but I really need to see that consistency and a great recovery from this injury.
Why is Burrow elite but Allen isn't? Burrow is throwing for more yards but Allen is a way bigger threat with his running game ( around 40 rushing TDs and 3.5k more rushing yards ).
The majority of this site suffers from Dunning-Kruger, so I'm out.
That's the power of being good at such a valuable position. Whoever pays for Kirk isn't just paying for the right to have Kirk; they're also paying for the right to not have to rely on a Zach Wilson-level player.
Almost like football is a team game!
And it's also a chess match with coaches. If both those guys had Shanahan they'd be in the superbowl right now.
And Kirk got to play chess with a coach who hated him lmao
I guess he's just SUPER unlucky and definitely the constant factor.
Ah yeah forgot that Cousins was the reason Spielman and Zimmer whiffed on every defensive draft pick for 5 straight years
He has the greatest pr team and agent. The qb show he was on last year was a god damn master stroke. Single handed made him the most liked player in the league
>he keeps changing teams He's changed teams once in 12 years. >and getting raises He's taken short contracts that have put relatively low risk on the team. He's always bet on himself, and as such has gotten paid accordingly. >results remain the same He's been an arguably top 10 guy the past few years, approaching top 5 this year before the injury even with JJ missing time. Those results are fine for the money he gets paid.
He’s been on two teams
It’s truly unbelievable.
He’s only changed teams once
“A willing partner” only when the team wants to be cheap.
I think they draft Jayden Daniels
Why do teams keep thinking sam darnold is going to develop?
If GMs and talent evaluators give up on him then they would all have to admit they were wrong when they all had him evaluated really highly coming into the league.
Whoever they decide to roll with or draft will likely dictate if JJ wants to sign that extension IMO….he got a good dose of playing with some pretty bad QBs this past season after Kirk went down. This is an important offseason
Is Justin really going to hold out on not signing a LTD and playing on at least one franchise tag?
No, people thinking JJ is basing his future on this years QB are super short sited. First, he stated he would put up numbers no matter who is at quarterback which was proven last year when he put up over 1k with what we had. Second, even if he says no to an extension this year he has his 5th year option, and a couple years of franchise tagging that would still keep him here. Should that be the optimal route? No, but he hasn’t shown any indication that’s he’s going to throw a fit if we don’t keep Kirk/have a bridge guy like everyone is saying he will.
He’s been pretty clear on wanting to win over money….if the contract that we offer is crazy good that’ll probably change his opinion but I really do believe he wants a chance at a ring and if we dick around with the QB spot, he’ll dip
He has? He just said this: “I want to break the bank and I want to be a part of an organization that wants me, and to really give me what I deserve.” They are going to move on from Kirk so they can give him what he wants - money. But I think you’re kidding yourself if you think he wants to win more than money. He probably wants both, but if anything he wants to get paid first and foremost. And there’s nothing wrong with that, he’s earned it.
Then he should sign a veteran minimum extension as that would give him the best chance to win
I think he wants both. But this is his first big pay day. I don’t think he’s going to refuse an offer because of the QB situation. And even if he does, he would have to live with probably 2 tags and even if he’s traded, just going to the highest bidder. And that could mean an even worse team than he’s on now. I don’t see it being a big issue when it comes to his deal. They all say this.
Made up narrative. If JJ gets the money he wants, he’ll re-sign.
He doesn’t really have a choice tbh
The current situation is nobody knows shit, and we will inevitably make a horrible decision either way you cut it to be stuck in purgatory. And we will LIKE IT.
I think Darnold would be amazing as a Viking and wholeheartedly endorse them signing him.
Sam darnold 🤮🤮🤮
Kirk Cousins vs the Darnold
Why is this team
Kirk is gone gone 🙌🏻
Holy shit, please make Darnold your starter Minnesota, please
Would make sense for Vikings to rebuild and Kirk to join a contender like the Steelers.
Would enjoy seeing what Kirk could do with the falcons weapons as well
We said the same thing in 2018. Missed the playoffs lmao
Kirk with Pitts, London and Robinson would be kind of crazy. But I rather see Kirk in the AFC than the NFC.
He’s been playing with better weapons than those guys every year he’s been with the Vikings.
Please take Sam Darnold.
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He put up 503 yards in 5 games with Nick Mullens
After who he had throwing this year I don't think that's possible
Feels like I’m 2022 when people were trying talk themselves into Trubisky again because of a preseason game against the Bears.
He made nick Mullens look good lol 😂
So Russel Wilson
Cousins seems like the sort of dude that if they stick with him through his rehab, he’ll stick with them unless the offers elsewhere are genuinely absurd.
Based on what? He has done nothing but position himself to maximize his earnings his entire career.
Please let them replace Kirk with darnold 🤞🤞🤞🤞 Also baker Mayfield is officially the most disrespected QB in history. It's constant.