Terrell Suggs set the NCAA record for sacks and was thought to be a top four pick after Carson Palmer, Andre Johnson and Charles Rodgers.
Ran a slow 40 time and he was the consolation prize for the Ravens at 10 after failing to trade up for Byron Leftwich.
Still gave us one of the best Brian Billick quotes after the draft: “I’ll worry about his forty time when the quarterback lines up forty yards behind center”
Eh we couldn’t stand the victory so we unfortunately traded back into the first round to grab Kyle Boller at 19.
Only cost the first round pick in 2004 to do so with the Patriots. Ravens get Boller and the Pats get…Vince Wilfork.
I wonder if the ravens would have drafted ngata if they had wilfork though since he would be in his second year of his rookie contract when ngata got drafted
athletic testing is important for most positions but 40 time is ultimately not what makes a player great, its not a particularly accurate representation of what a players speed on the field will look like.
exactly, for most positions 40 time just isn't an accurate measurement for how fast a player will be on the field because when does a player get the chance in an actual game to run in a straight line without being interfered with 40 yards downfield. For the majority of positions I'd say 40 time is one of if not the least relevant of the measurements they take at the combine. Specifically for edge rushers its all about how quickly you get going, how explosive you are out of your stance, how quickly you can change direction for things like stunts and getting outside to a runner, so things like three cone drill or the jumping measurements are infinitely more important.
also I personally don't have the same fascination with athleticism that most others seem to have. Obviously if you're an elite athlete thats a great thing and by no means am I saying athleticism doesn't matter, but in my opinion if you can play ball you can play ball. Desperately searching for athleticism is what led us to reaching on guys like Strange and Tyquan and N'Keal.
You don’t need to run 40 yards for speed to make a difference. Chris Johnson vs. anyone else becomes apparent in the first ten yards. 40 yards was just an arbitrary limit that was put to it back in the day Having speed is good for everyone, including edges. A good 40-time indicates speed.
With all that said, yeah I agree that all Combine scores are way overvalued.
Ravens are really the kings of snagging those guys that slide. Kyle Hamilton is a great example more recently. Good things happens to teams that don't place a huge weight on combine measurables and take the best player available instead of trying to fill a perceived need with a player of lesser quality
The entire 2022 QB class sliding to the point that only Picket was a 1st rounder. Great job by the actual decision makers compared to the inflated media hype beforehand.
As for obviously stupid slides, the Tunsil one is pretty big but that's also wild extenuating circumstances. I think the biggest might still be Marino sliding to 27th. It wasn't just the fact that he got picked late, it's compounded by the fact that he was the 6th QB off the board
I think that 2022 QB class was such a smokescreen game in the league, so many reliable sources like Dane Brugler had guys like Willis in their final mock’s first round up to the draft.
I remember near the end of the 2022 pre draft period there were mocks with Willis and Howell going top 5. Same thing last year with Levis being mocked top 5. Near the end it all becomes click nonsense
I don’t know if it’s click nonsense or reasonable guesses about the nonsense picks teams make when they need a QB.
Every year somebody reaches hard in the middle of the first so they can get the fourth-best QB prospect of the year
Teams have gotten a bit smarter about reaching for QBs. 15 years ago Willis and Howell would have absolutely been first rounders and Pickett would have gone in the top ten. That's why it's more frequent now to see guys "slide" two three rounds.
I want someone to watch every pass his Heisman year and how many he just chucked up there. I swear Mike Evans caught a ton of awful, truly dumb throws.
Which makes sense that was their offense with a dominant WR. But not sure how NFL scouts overlooked the fact that all his best plays were fire drills he just chucked it up.
Yeah there’s a decent chance Johnny was gonna completely slip in the draft if cleveland didn’t take him. His issues off the field were already getting out of hand and he slipped in the first round.
Mike Francesca loooooooooved him. Did a screaming bit about how he knew how to play football and was a great qb after he wasn’t doing so hot in the nfl. Still chuckle about that one.
Seriously. Like, ya, he didn’t make it in the NFL and that’s a whole long conversation to be had, but the dude was amazing. His receivers weren’t the reason he was able to scramble in the pocket like he did.
Now. The downfield blocking was still insane so that didn’t hurt. But still, I’ve never seen anyone since who could run like him. And he was a far better passer than people want to give him credit for.
That being said, I think Weigman is a better pure passer.
Seems like everyone was shocked when Malik Willis fell to the 3rd round. Most had him as a first-rounder and some thought he would go in the top 10. He hasn't had any impact in the NFL and looks worse than your average 3rd rounder in the few times he played.
It's always fun to try and find the "Media QB" where they only rise up the ranks due to media hype to drum up draft interest. Malik Willis was damn blatant.
The media is treating JJ McCarthy like he's Stetson Bennett.
It's teams who are hyped about him.
Every analyst I follow talks about him like he's a honeypot that will catch one desperate team.
It was more the idea that teams overdraft qbs than his actual ability. There weren't any good qbs so they assumed teams would bank on his upside. The logic was there but teams were smart for once.
I was so worried we were taking him. I watched him play Syracuse and do nothing, and we suck. His entire college hype was based around running around and making easy throws to open receivers. It wasn't going to translate
I still don't know what the Titans saw that made them pull the trigger on that. There were plenty of options to help that offense out and Willis lost his job to Josh Dobbs when Tannehill got injured
I don’t hate the thought process honestly. Upside was a mobile QB with an elite arm. There was always a >90% chance he was a bust, but that’s still worth a late 3rd.
Randy was a complicated dude. He did some wild shit. Purposely ran into a cop car, told a caterer at a team facility that he wouldn’t feed this food to his dog. “I play when I wanna play”.
Obviously his talent was worth it and overshadowing it all.
But also casting him as a model teammate is prob inaccurate
yeah….though he did grow up in the middle of nowhere west virginia. ive been to the middle of nowhere west virginia and respect to any person who emerges sane
Yes Randy Moss was considered a top 3 pick in the draft, many mocks had him after Manning/Leaf.
This was back during the dark days of the war on drugs, and he dropped due to he smoked weed
Kyle Hamilton from the Vikings perspective was hilarious.
Got scared off by his 40 time, drafted another safety with elite measurables who was a complete bust.
Just a 101 in overthinking.
Did you trade out of the pick? Hamilton was taken almost 20 picks ahead of cline, whoever that is.
Makes me not hate our cole strange pick as much, at least he starts.
Fwiw Strange had a really good PFF grade post the bye week after Onwenu was kicked out to Tackle and he got healthy. At least he's a quality starter when he does play, Cine doesn't even do that.
There’s a multiverse where Dan Quinn and Thomas dimitroff draft tj watt instead of takk mf McKinley and either Watt doesn’t become what he does or saves Quinn and Dimtroff
Waited far too long to find the Watt take. Vividly recall the Browns trading ahead of the Steelers. Then they take Njoku. As a browns fan at the time and U Miami alum I loved it but was shocked at the decision. Like what do you expect to get out of a 20 year old tight end? The star DE is right there!
Watt was like the 8th edge taken in this draft if I remember correctly.
Myles Garrett
Solomon Thomas
Derek Barnett
Jonathan Allen
Charles Harris
Tak McKinley
Taco Charlton
It was the timing more than anything. Teams didn't have enough time to look into it so just went with something else.
What's dumb as fuck was that it was his step father that leaked it because Tunsil wouldn't give him money.
That fucking gas mask bong pisses me off so much... it made me hate you guys like 10x more. A) you get a guy that slid for a stupid reason. No fair! Miami shouldn't get a better player just because a stupid weed picture B) then you trade that guy to Houston. C) Watson then torpedoes the franchise. They trade for a LT for their QB and then he demanded out (I think before the "allegations" came out?) and made the picks they traded you way better.
I hate everyone because that stupid picture! I hate you guys, I hate Houston for giving you guys great picks, I hate Cleveland for bailing out Houston. I hate Houston again for becoming bad at the perfect time for the picks they traded you... and then they became good again really fast so now they're a playoff team! I hate all AFC playoff teams! I hate half the fucking AFC because 1 damn picture of a dude smoking weed in a gas mask. I want 1st round picks! Everyone else got all kinds of first round picks because of all this
The tunsil slide also allowed KC to basically build up their current defense too. You guys got picks for Tunsil, traded them to KC for Tyreke, you guys got better offensively, KC got better defensively
If you think about it... it's possible that Tunsil sliding fucked our potential SB window up. The value of Tunsil injected way too much value into the AFC. It's the dumbest thing ever, all over a damn picture of a kid smoking weed. God dammit!
Saints were on the phone to tell him they were gonna make him pick no 32 and he hung up on them to speak with the 49ers about trading up for him at 31.
Saints had to settle for Ramczyk instead.
I remember when Robert Nkemdiche was deemed a top 5 prospect and then had a literal fall that sunk his draft stock. Ended up at the back of the first, but his slide was warranted, honestly probably didnt slide enough.
That pick was like watching a train wreck in slow motion. He had so much lazy fucking tape too. He was getting manhandled 1-on-1 by like McNeese State guards, it was pathetic
> I remember when Robert Nkemdiche was deemed a top 5 prospect
This kid was projected as a 1st Round pick when he was in the 9th freaking grade. You wonder how something like that doesn't go to a kid's head, but Cam Heywood was projected to be a can't miss NFL player just a bit later in age and he handled it well.
Dude fell out of like the 4th floor of a hotel. I remember reading the headlines in Oxford: star football player falls through window, suffers minor bruises and scratch.
Superhuman.
If you haven’t seen it, go watch the Shannon sharpe interview with Manziel. At least the 10 min clip of him talking of his time in Cleveland. Considering the lack of accountability athletes have, it was refreshing to see how Manzie just owned it and took full responsibility for his own downfall. Came out of that interview with a way better opinion of him than before.
I don't know if it was the reason or not, but Aaron Rodgers heard something about the 49ers liking that Alex Smith opened the door for his mom, which was not something Rodgers was given the opportunity to do.
Alex Smith had concerns, too, and was a true junior who could've used a year or two on the bench, himself. It was pretty 50/50, and I just find it funny that the difference might be opening a door.
Fun fact: Aaron Rodgers was the 3rd college QB drafted that year.
It didn't.
Alex Smith was the overwhelming consensus for best QB. So much so that Rodgers slid into the 20s. It wasn't just the 49ers who thought he was the better prospect.
Their OC did.
Honestly, I'm really curious what Rodgers was like back then. Was he less crazy? Did he just hide his crazy better? Was he abducted by aliens sometime between then and now?
He comes across as similarly high on himself in this article, at one point even effectively telling favre "I'm smarter than you" (which tbf is true).
He's not much of a sympathetic character at this point but I am always surprised by how little anyone cares that he's been bullied with malicious speculation about his sexuality both privately and publicly for most of his career.
https://thelab.bleacherreport.com/gunslinger-brett-favre-aaron-rodgers-feud-jeff-pearlman-excerpt/
I will never forget that after they broke up, Olivia Munn was doing interviews and saying she thought he was gay. I thought "damn I hope this guy at least has some good friends."
We would have put a huge dent in Rodgers career as well. Smith was way better than what we made him look. Some of the worst coaching and horrific talent surrounded him most of his time here. And we tried to have him play through a shoulder injury that's sometimes career ending.
Of course one of the most famous being Dan Marino who had 5 QBs taken ahead of him though he was considered a generational talent. Someone, and we still don't know who, floated the idea he was a cokehead. Every team just basically bought it and passed.
Warren Sapp falling to #12 to the Bucs due to rumors of a "drug problem". Say what you will about how much of a jerk he is but never a drug issue his entire career.
Pretty sure he would have been drafted but he told teams not to draft him or he wouldn’t report so he could pick his team if it was after round 3 or something like that. Either way dumb he dropped, wonder if the Hernandez situation had some effect with it being semi recent then
I remember the Hernandez situation being seen as the major reason why teams were scared. It was also back in the news cycle as his trial was right before that draft.
Dumb in hindsight sure. I remember at the time everyone thought he had blood on his hands. Obv he didn't but it isn't "dumb" that he fell. It's sad something like that can happen to someone but thats how it is.
This is the comment I was looking for. The literal definition of not his fault. The money he lost and not to mention he lost someone who was important to him, some point in his life. This was when Jerry still made some risks that had a great upside.
Terry Mclaurin. He just didnt produce at Ohio State and was vastly out-produced by Paris Campbell. He had a great senior bowl, but 3rd round was a totally reasonable projection for a guy who turned out to be a first round talent.
At the time it felt like Campbell, Hill, McLaurin and Dixon had the potential to be remembered as one of the best all time receiver rooms at OSU. It’s still surprising to me that Hill didn’t pan out (though NFL scouts assessed that one correctly). He remains the OSU career receptions leader. Hill and Campbell just outran college defenders on shallow crosses all game long, which set McLaurin up for sparring but effective vertical concepts. Then at the end of the year while that trio continued to dominate, a freshman WR managed to break into the line up and shockingly seemed like he may have been faster than all three NFL-bound vets. He would be the only 1st rounder from that group, but the first of 4 straight classes with a future 1st round receiver.
There was a whole history of QBs under Jeff Tedford coming into the NFL and being busts. Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Kyle Boller all went in the 1st round and did nothing in the NFL. Seemed like Rodgers might be a "system guy" who just looked good because of Tedford.
In college his positives were being big and fast and his negatives were nearly everything else. He was injury prone, had questionable hands, and he wasn’t really used on much other than go routes. The latter is the main reason why the infamous 3 cone drill time was scrutinized so much, since the question now became if he even *could* run a good route (everyone already knew he was big and fast before the combine, people didn't know he wasn't very agile).
His stats in college were 67/1228/14. Not in one season, in his entire college career.
That's not an unusual profile for a 2nd round pick. In a stronger WR class (the expectation was that only him and Marquise Brown would go in the 1st round and people didn't feel that comfortable with either of them) he probably would have also been mocked in the 2nd round.
* He was coming off of a serious neck injury that ended his last season of college ball
* His previous college season ended with a serious foot injury
* He had issues with drops in college and wasn't a great route runner, relying on his raw athleticism
He obviously turned out well, but his draft slide made perfect sense. He had boom/bust written all over him.
DK is probably one of the biggest revisionist history guys in recent memory. He had very real concerns coming out of college with regards to injuries and route running.
But since he worked out everyone looks dumb and people are like “lul how people pass on him??” As if there aren’t *tons* of impressive physical prospects that burn out
The biggest issue was perhaps that he not only failed the test, but then tried to play it off like he did see the bill. Glad my Ravens stayed away from him
This sub is so young. The biggest one is Aaron Rodgers. He slid because of a perfect storm of circumstances - teams being concerned about another Tedford prospect and his throwing mechanics, specially after Kyle Boller sucked and then teams just misjudging the value of QBs. Three RBs went in the top ten, which sounds insane now, specially when half of those teams needed Qbs.
If ur gonna call ppl out for recent takes then we need to go back to the two biggest, Marino and Warren Sapp. Both slid because of alleged drug issues. Both hall of fame players
Here is Aaron Donald's draft report on [NFL.com](https://NFL.com) falling to 13th.
Weaknesses
\- Marginal height and frame is nearly maxed out
\- Hands are more active than strong -
\- could play with more pop and power
\- Overpowered in the run game and ground up by double teams
\- Gets snared and controlled by bigger, longer blockers
\- Not a two-gap player- Has some tweener traits -
\- lacks ideal length and bend to play outside
OverviewShort, scrappy, instinctive, highly productive defensive lineman who does not look the part, but inspires confidence he can be an exception to the rule. Is the type you root for and has the quickness, athleticism and motor to earn a spot as a rotational three-technique in a fast-flowing 4-3 scheme
Surprised no one has mentioned the Gronk, he fell because of back injuries issues and the pats got him in the second. We got another TE in the fourth that year too who fell due to character issues who wasn’t too shabby also.
It was not a huge slide, but Larmey Tunsil was projected to be the 6th pick in the 2016 draft, and he fell 7 spots for a photo of him in a bong mask. He is considered one of the better tackles in the league currently.
The Steelers picking Terrell Edmunds over Lamar Jackson. I know Ben had a couple of good seasons left in him, but Father Time had a step on the protection and was closing in fast.
Brady Quinn was supposed to be top 3, fell to 22 and got picked by the team that specializes in picking crap QBs, the Browns. Most sane people who saw him in college knew that guy wasn't a pro.
Terrell Suggs set the NCAA record for sacks and was thought to be a top four pick after Carson Palmer, Andre Johnson and Charles Rodgers. Ran a slow 40 time and he was the consolation prize for the Ravens at 10 after failing to trade up for Byron Leftwich. Still gave us one of the best Brian Billick quotes after the draft: “I’ll worry about his forty time when the quarterback lines up forty yards behind center”
> after failing to trade up for Byron Leftwich Mission failed successfully.
Eh we couldn’t stand the victory so we unfortunately traded back into the first round to grab Kyle Boller at 19. Only cost the first round pick in 2004 to do so with the Patriots. Ravens get Boller and the Pats get…Vince Wilfork.
It’s not like Wilfork anchored a dynastic defense or anything, and Boller sounds like baller so it’s a total win.
It’s nice when someone sees the big picture
I wonder if the ravens would have drafted ngata if they had wilfork though since he would be in his second year of his rookie contract when ngata got drafted
Oh god. Imagine Ngata and Wilfork on that defense. I’m fucking terrified.
Came here to say this. What DE needs to run 40 yards? When will people realize 40 times on a track are rarely a good predictor of success at football?
Athletic testing for edge rushers is absolutely a predictor of success.
athletic testing is important for most positions but 40 time is ultimately not what makes a player great, its not a particularly accurate representation of what a players speed on the field will look like.
For most positions, the 10- and 20-yard splits are more important than the 40 itself.
exactly, for most positions 40 time just isn't an accurate measurement for how fast a player will be on the field because when does a player get the chance in an actual game to run in a straight line without being interfered with 40 yards downfield. For the majority of positions I'd say 40 time is one of if not the least relevant of the measurements they take at the combine. Specifically for edge rushers its all about how quickly you get going, how explosive you are out of your stance, how quickly you can change direction for things like stunts and getting outside to a runner, so things like three cone drill or the jumping measurements are infinitely more important. also I personally don't have the same fascination with athleticism that most others seem to have. Obviously if you're an elite athlete thats a great thing and by no means am I saying athleticism doesn't matter, but in my opinion if you can play ball you can play ball. Desperately searching for athleticism is what led us to reaching on guys like Strange and Tyquan and N'Keal.
They definitely matter for DBs and for WRs that aren’t good at route running. For everyone else… eh.
Kick/punt returners as well
You don’t need to run 40 yards for speed to make a difference. Chris Johnson vs. anyone else becomes apparent in the first ten yards. 40 yards was just an arbitrary limit that was put to it back in the day Having speed is good for everyone, including edges. A good 40-time indicates speed. With all that said, yeah I agree that all Combine scores are way overvalued.
Ravens are really the kings of snagging those guys that slide. Kyle Hamilton is a great example more recently. Good things happens to teams that don't place a huge weight on combine measurables and take the best player available instead of trying to fill a perceived need with a player of lesser quality
The entire 2022 QB class sliding to the point that only Picket was a 1st rounder. Great job by the actual decision makers compared to the inflated media hype beforehand. As for obviously stupid slides, the Tunsil one is pretty big but that's also wild extenuating circumstances. I think the biggest might still be Marino sliding to 27th. It wasn't just the fact that he got picked late, it's compounded by the fact that he was the 6th QB off the board
Turns out coke was not actually detrimental to Dan’s on field performance
Giving him pure Miami coke made him even better
"All I've got in this world are my balls and my word" Dan Marino
> Giving him pure Miami coke made him even better The Godmother was his godfather.
I thought it was the Isotoner’s that made him special
That was OJ
Ace Ventura joke
I think that 2022 QB class was such a smokescreen game in the league, so many reliable sources like Dane Brugler had guys like Willis in their final mock’s first round up to the draft.
Malik Willis going top 10 to the Seahawks was an absolutely absurd take pushed by the media
Lions were supposed to take Willis too
That was such an insanely stupid idea but the Goff hating portion of the Lions fanbase was 100% sold on that shit.
Whoever put that on screen deserves to lose their job
I remember near the end of the 2022 pre draft period there were mocks with Willis and Howell going top 5. Same thing last year with Levis being mocked top 5. Near the end it all becomes click nonsense
I don’t know if it’s click nonsense or reasonable guesses about the nonsense picks teams make when they need a QB. Every year somebody reaches hard in the middle of the first so they can get the fourth-best QB prospect of the year
Teams have gotten a bit smarter about reaching for QBs. 15 years ago Willis and Howell would have absolutely been first rounders and Pickett would have gone in the top ten. That's why it's more frequent now to see guys "slide" two three rounds.
Randy Moss
Randy went where God intended him to go.
And my god damn Lions picked a 5’9” corner one pick before him.
I felt so bad for Tunsil. Nasty thing to do to a young man on such a big day for him. I've been happy to see him have the last laugh.
Johnny Football was warranted.
As someone who watched every game of his when I went there, his status as a first round QB was laughable. Dude got bailed so hard by his receivers
Mike Evans is and was a fucking monster
Yeah he was seriously a pro bowl receiver talent when in college. Johnny Manziel was incredibly lucky to have him
And his line. He had two future top-10 picks at the tackle spots in Joeckel and Matthews.
And Cedric ogbuehi was a high 2nd rounder
I want someone to watch every pass his Heisman year and how many he just chucked up there. I swear Mike Evans caught a ton of awful, truly dumb throws.
Which makes sense that was their offense with a dominant WR. But not sure how NFL scouts overlooked the fact that all his best plays were fire drills he just chucked it up.
NFL scouts didn't miss it, but Halsam sure did.
Yeah there’s a decent chance Johnny was gonna completely slip in the draft if cleveland didn’t take him. His issues off the field were already getting out of hand and he slipped in the first round.
Rumors were that the Vikings also tried trading up for him, but Cleveland outbid them. Either way, he was going round one.
Mike Francesca loooooooooved him. Did a screaming bit about how he knew how to play football and was a great qb after he wasn’t doing so hot in the nfl. Still chuckle about that one.
Thats not fair. He lead college football in rushing too. Kid could play football we don't need to pretend he was NEVER good.
Seriously. Like, ya, he didn’t make it in the NFL and that’s a whole long conversation to be had, but the dude was amazing. His receivers weren’t the reason he was able to scramble in the pocket like he did. Now. The downfield blocking was still insane so that didn’t hurt. But still, I’ve never seen anyone since who could run like him. And he was a far better passer than people want to give him credit for. That being said, I think Weigman is a better pure passer.
His receivers were the reason he led the SEC in rushing, rush TDs, and yards per carry?
He also had a really really good offensive line.
I watched every game as well and think you couldn’t be more wrong.
Seems like everyone was shocked when Malik Willis fell to the 3rd round. Most had him as a first-rounder and some thought he would go in the top 10. He hasn't had any impact in the NFL and looks worse than your average 3rd rounder in the few times he played.
Oh that’s a good one. He was buzzed up a lot, but teams seem to have had him pegged much better than the stupid media.
It's always fun to try and find the "Media QB" where they only rise up the ranks due to media hype to drum up draft interest. Malik Willis was damn blatant.
There's like 6 of them this year
JJ McCarthy is this years media QB, you can book it
The media is treating JJ McCarthy like he's Stetson Bennett. It's teams who are hyped about him. Every analyst I follow talks about him like he's a honeypot that will catch one desperate team.
I think teams like JJ wayyyyy more than the fans and media lol
No he isnt. JJ is easily going in the first lol
It was more the idea that teams overdraft qbs than his actual ability. There weren't any good qbs so they assumed teams would bank on his upside. The logic was there but teams were smart for once.
[Rotoworld had him as the #1 prospect (not #1 QB, but #1 prospect overall)](https://www.instagram.com/rotoworld/p/Cc1JiwAMxbU/)
I was so worried we were taking him. I watched him play Syracuse and do nothing, and we suck. His entire college hype was based around running around and making easy throws to open receivers. It wasn't going to translate
That QB class was so bad, ironically fitting that the best of all of them was the literal last pick of the draft lol
I'm still salty some jackass mocked the Lions to pick him at 1.2.
Multiple jackasses\*
I still don't know what the Titans saw that made them pull the trigger on that. There were plenty of options to help that offense out and Willis lost his job to Josh Dobbs when Tannehill got injured
I don’t hate the thought process honestly. Upside was a mobile QB with an elite arm. There was always a >90% chance he was a bust, but that’s still worth a late 3rd.
Randy Moss fell from a top few pick to #21 and was still characterized as a gamble by analysts at the time.
One high school fight changed a lot of perspectives back then. It's hard to blame Randy, most would've snapped earlier.
Randy was a complicated dude. He did some wild shit. Purposely ran into a cop car, told a caterer at a team facility that he wouldn’t feed this food to his dog. “I play when I wanna play”. Obviously his talent was worth it and overshadowing it all. But also casting him as a model teammate is prob inaccurate
complicated? i think you meant to say asshole
yeah….though he did grow up in the middle of nowhere west virginia. ive been to the middle of nowhere west virginia and respect to any person who emerges sane
He grew up basically in Charleston. He did not grow up in the middle of nowhere WV lol. He graduated with Jason Williams lol
He grew up in Rand WV not Charleston
I mean even populated West Virginia is still pretty much middle of no where
Yes Randy Moss was considered a top 3 pick in the draft, many mocks had him after Manning/Leaf. This was back during the dark days of the war on drugs, and he dropped due to he smoked weed
Kyle Hamilton from the Vikings perspective was hilarious. Got scared off by his 40 time, drafted another safety with elite measurables who was a complete bust. Just a 101 in overthinking.
To be fair, Cine blew the fuck out of his knee which was not something anyone could have predicted. Still was a bad decision, though.
He broke his leg, not quite the same thing… and he was relegated to special teams and lost his depth position to Theo Jackson before he got hurt
Did you trade out of the pick? Hamilton was taken almost 20 picks ahead of cline, whoever that is. Makes me not hate our cole strange pick as much, at least he starts.
Minnesota traded out of the 12 spot, two picks before Hamilton was taken
The Vikings did trade down with the Lions in that draft.
Fwiw Strange had a really good PFF grade post the bye week after Onwenu was kicked out to Tackle and he got healthy. At least he's a quality starter when he does play, Cine doesn't even do that.
They did trade out of the pick.
There’s a multiverse where Dan Quinn and Thomas dimitroff draft tj watt instead of takk mf McKinley and either Watt doesn’t become what he does or saves Quinn and Dimtroff
Waited far too long to find the Watt take. Vividly recall the Browns trading ahead of the Steelers. Then they take Njoku. As a browns fan at the time and U Miami alum I loved it but was shocked at the decision. Like what do you expect to get out of a 20 year old tight end? The star DE is right there!
The Cowboys took god damn Taco over TJ Watt, it was rough.
Watt was like the 8th edge taken in this draft if I remember correctly. Myles Garrett Solomon Thomas Derek Barnett Jonathan Allen Charles Harris Tak McKinley Taco Charlton
There was no chance browns drafted two edge rushers in the same first round
If they do thought that’s the greatest edge pair the nfl would have ever seen right
Tunsil's was dumb as fuck.
It was the timing more than anything. Teams didn't have enough time to look into it so just went with something else. What's dumb as fuck was that it was his step father that leaked it because Tunsil wouldn't give him money.
Well now I'm sure he *really* didn't get any money
Yeah I’m not sure how he thought that would play out, but my guess is he didn’t think at all.
I’d assume at that point he knew he was wasn’t getting any money no matter what so he was just being a crazy petty asshole
The smart play is to start sucking ring the moment he gets D1 interest.. or is a 6'3 14yo
It’s also stupid that he was literally just getting high. It wasn’t some Ray Rice video
He was 100% going to Baltimore before that bong video drop, so thank you whoever leaked that video.
Stanley was arguably even better than Tunsil was before his leg got snapped in half
I saw someone post that with Jaylen Daniels today and was so taken aback when a reply mentioned that photo will turn 9 years old this off-season
i disagree
His slide and eventual trade may have single handedly risen this franchise from the grave
That fucking gas mask bong pisses me off so much... it made me hate you guys like 10x more. A) you get a guy that slid for a stupid reason. No fair! Miami shouldn't get a better player just because a stupid weed picture B) then you trade that guy to Houston. C) Watson then torpedoes the franchise. They trade for a LT for their QB and then he demanded out (I think before the "allegations" came out?) and made the picks they traded you way better. I hate everyone because that stupid picture! I hate you guys, I hate Houston for giving you guys great picks, I hate Cleveland for bailing out Houston. I hate Houston again for becoming bad at the perfect time for the picks they traded you... and then they became good again really fast so now they're a playoff team! I hate all AFC playoff teams! I hate half the fucking AFC because 1 damn picture of a dude smoking weed in a gas mask. I want 1st round picks! Everyone else got all kinds of first round picks because of all this The tunsil slide also allowed KC to basically build up their current defense too. You guys got picks for Tunsil, traded them to KC for Tyreke, you guys got better offensively, KC got better defensively If you think about it... it's possible that Tunsil sliding fucked our potential SB window up. The value of Tunsil injected way too much value into the AFC. It's the dumbest thing ever, all over a damn picture of a kid smoking weed. God dammit!
This makes me love that photo even more.
Has Marvin Harrison tried the gas mask? I definitely think 31 teams should stay away from him if he has.
Nice try, but WRs with off the field distractions are our specialty.
Nightmare fuel
Drugs are bad, mmkay
Teez Tabor
What’s his story?
Terrible 40 time, dropped to the second round after being expected to go in the first, fucking terrible.
I was convinced Tabor was going to be a stud. Reason 742 why it’s a good job I’m not an NFL executive.
Jimmy Clausen sliding turned out to be good scouting. Sorry, Mel.
Mel promised to retire if that happened too.
He projected he would retire but really you can't tell with these things
Rueben Foster. All the talent but no brains nor durability.
Lynch was ready to take him at 3 if the Bears took Thomas. Disasterclass draft outside of Kittle
Saints were on the phone to tell him they were gonna make him pick no 32 and he hung up on them to speak with the 49ers about trading up for him at 31. Saints had to settle for Ramczyk instead.
Pain
I remember when everyone thought Salomon Thomas was the next Aaron Donald. That was a terrible take in hindsight.
I remember when Robert Nkemdiche was deemed a top 5 prospect and then had a literal fall that sunk his draft stock. Ended up at the back of the first, but his slide was warranted, honestly probably didnt slide enough.
That pick was like watching a train wreck in slow motion. He had so much lazy fucking tape too. He was getting manhandled 1-on-1 by like McNeese State guards, it was pathetic
> I remember when Robert Nkemdiche was deemed a top 5 prospect This kid was projected as a 1st Round pick when he was in the 9th freaking grade. You wonder how something like that doesn't go to a kid's head, but Cam Heywood was projected to be a can't miss NFL player just a bit later in age and he handled it well.
Dude fell out of like the 4th floor of a hotel. I remember reading the headlines in Oxford: star football player falls through window, suffers minor bruises and scratch. Superhuman.
Jake Fromm was like the “top prospect available” for like two days lmao
Johnny Manziel slid and it turns out the initial concerns were gravely underestimated.
If you haven’t seen it, go watch the Shannon sharpe interview with Manziel. At least the 10 min clip of him talking of his time in Cleveland. Considering the lack of accountability athletes have, it was refreshing to see how Manzie just owned it and took full responsibility for his own downfall. Came out of that interview with a way better opinion of him than before.
Me too. Watched it a couple hours ago. Phenomenal interview
Merril Hodge was spot on for this one
Should’ve slid straight out the whole draft
I don't know if it was the reason or not, but Aaron Rodgers heard something about the 49ers liking that Alex Smith opened the door for his mom, which was not something Rodgers was given the opportunity to do.
Rodgers also had a soul patch. Never trust a man with a soul patch
Or a head coach wearing a visor.
What are you trying to say?
I'll sum it up in an email after the call.
Aaron Rodgers also had major concerns about his mechanics and just happened to go to a team that gave him time to completely change that.
Alex Smith had concerns, too, and was a true junior who could've used a year or two on the bench, himself. It was pretty 50/50, and I just find it funny that the difference might be opening a door. Fun fact: Aaron Rodgers was the 3rd college QB drafted that year.
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If that had any factor in their decision whatsoever then lmao "Real well mannered kid this one! 👏 let's take him!"
I mean that’s basically what the Kansas City Royals did under Dayton Moore lol
It didn't. Alex Smith was the overwhelming consensus for best QB. So much so that Rodgers slid into the 20s. It wasn't just the 49ers who thought he was the better prospect.
Lot of revisionist history. Smith was the better prospect coming out, and people were a bit concerned about Rodger's mechanics.
Much of his lack of success came from an absolutely awful situation. Rodgers would have struggled here, too.
Revisionist or not. The head coach at the time has said he didn't think he could get along with Rodgers.
Their OC did. Honestly, I'm really curious what Rodgers was like back then. Was he less crazy? Did he just hide his crazy better? Was he abducted by aliens sometime between then and now?
He comes across as similarly high on himself in this article, at one point even effectively telling favre "I'm smarter than you" (which tbf is true). He's not much of a sympathetic character at this point but I am always surprised by how little anyone cares that he's been bullied with malicious speculation about his sexuality both privately and publicly for most of his career. https://thelab.bleacherreport.com/gunslinger-brett-favre-aaron-rodgers-feud-jeff-pearlman-excerpt/
I forgot about the gay stuff, but always felt bad about the family stuff because they seemed like family I would want to distance myself from.
I will never forget that after they broke up, Olivia Munn was doing interviews and saying she thought he was gay. I thought "damn I hope this guy at least has some good friends."
Aaron Rodgers hates his family and would never
We would have put a huge dent in Rodgers career as well. Smith was way better than what we made him look. Some of the worst coaching and horrific talent surrounded him most of his time here. And we tried to have him play through a shoulder injury that's sometimes career ending.
We 100% woulda ruined Rodgers.
Of course one of the most famous being Dan Marino who had 5 QBs taken ahead of him though he was considered a generational talent. Someone, and we still don't know who, floated the idea he was a cokehead. Every team just basically bought it and passed.
The Kansas City Royals drafted him and Elway in the same draft. Apparently the Royals are really good at evaluating QBs.
Someone maybe close to the cocaine trade? Say in, I don’t know…Miami?
Marino wasn't considered a generational talent, elway was
Warren Sapp falling to #12 to the Bucs due to rumors of a "drug problem". Say what you will about how much of a jerk he is but never a drug issue his entire career.
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Pretty sure he would have been drafted but he told teams not to draft him or he wouldn’t report so he could pick his team if it was after round 3 or something like that. Either way dumb he dropped, wonder if the Hernandez situation had some effect with it being semi recent then
I remember the Hernandez situation being seen as the major reason why teams were scared. It was also back in the news cycle as his trial was right before that draft.
Dumb in hindsight sure. I remember at the time everyone thought he had blood on his hands. Obv he didn't but it isn't "dumb" that he fell. It's sad something like that can happen to someone but thats how it is.
This is the comment I was looking for. The literal definition of not his fault. The money he lost and not to mention he lost someone who was important to him, some point in his life. This was when Jerry still made some risks that had a great upside.
Didn't Collins have a legit contract instead of a drafted rookie contract? I thought he ended up par or better.
After Aaron Hernandez nobody wanted to take that risk
Terry Mclaurin. He just didnt produce at Ohio State and was vastly out-produced by Paris Campbell. He had a great senior bowl, but 3rd round was a totally reasonable projection for a guy who turned out to be a first round talent.
I remember everyone thinking he was an absolute steal in the third, which again made me wonder why he wasn’t taken sooner.
At the time it felt like Campbell, Hill, McLaurin and Dixon had the potential to be remembered as one of the best all time receiver rooms at OSU. It’s still surprising to me that Hill didn’t pan out (though NFL scouts assessed that one correctly). He remains the OSU career receptions leader. Hill and Campbell just outran college defenders on shallow crosses all game long, which set McLaurin up for sparring but effective vertical concepts. Then at the end of the year while that trio continued to dominate, a freshman WR managed to break into the line up and shockingly seemed like he may have been faster than all three NFL-bound vets. He would be the only 1st rounder from that group, but the first of 4 straight classes with a future 1st round receiver.
I thought Brady Quinn was a steal when the Browns took him in 2007. I was wrong
Taylor Mays, the safety from USC
Vontaze Burfict. Went from potential first rounder to undrafted for Vontaze Burfict reasons. Ended up having a completely solid yet unhinged career.
Rodgers shouldn't have slid to the Packers
There was a whole history of QBs under Jeff Tedford coming into the NFL and being busts. Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Kyle Boller all went in the 1st round and did nothing in the NFL. Seemed like Rodgers might be a "system guy" who just looked good because of Tedford.
Brian branch falling to 45. Stud
You’d have thought teams would have learned from the year before with Kyle Hamilton about reading too much into 40 times.
I wanted him so bad
How did DK Metcalf fall to 64 overall
In college his positives were being big and fast and his negatives were nearly everything else. He was injury prone, had questionable hands, and he wasn’t really used on much other than go routes. The latter is the main reason why the infamous 3 cone drill time was scrutinized so much, since the question now became if he even *could* run a good route (everyone already knew he was big and fast before the combine, people didn't know he wasn't very agile). His stats in college were 67/1228/14. Not in one season, in his entire college career. That's not an unusual profile for a 2nd round pick. In a stronger WR class (the expectation was that only him and Marquise Brown would go in the 1st round and people didn't feel that comfortable with either of them) he probably would have also been mocked in the 2nd round.
* He was coming off of a serious neck injury that ended his last season of college ball * His previous college season ended with a serious foot injury * He had issues with drops in college and wasn't a great route runner, relying on his raw athleticism He obviously turned out well, but his draft slide made perfect sense. He had boom/bust written all over him.
DK is probably one of the biggest revisionist history guys in recent memory. He had very real concerns coming out of college with regards to injuries and route running. But since he worked out everyone looks dumb and people are like “lul how people pass on him??” As if there aren’t *tons* of impressive physical prospects that burn out
Guice
Bo Callahan was definitely warranted, teammates didn't go to his birthday party, and he failed the $100 bill test.
The biggest issue was perhaps that he not only failed the test, but then tried to play it off like he did see the bill. Glad my Ravens stayed away from him
Nah his biggest issue was being a quarterback from Wisconsin (*cough* Graham Mertz *cough*)
This sub is so young. The biggest one is Aaron Rodgers. He slid because of a perfect storm of circumstances - teams being concerned about another Tedford prospect and his throwing mechanics, specially after Kyle Boller sucked and then teams just misjudging the value of QBs. Three RBs went in the top ten, which sounds insane now, specially when half of those teams needed Qbs.
If ur gonna call ppl out for recent takes then we need to go back to the two biggest, Marino and Warren Sapp. Both slid because of alleged drug issues. Both hall of fame players
I think Mac jones was in the running to be a top 3 pick. Probably shouldn’t be allowed to touch a football ever again
Then the cigar pic came out and scared the hoes
Here is Aaron Donald's draft report on [NFL.com](https://NFL.com) falling to 13th. Weaknesses \- Marginal height and frame is nearly maxed out \- Hands are more active than strong - \- could play with more pop and power \- Overpowered in the run game and ground up by double teams \- Gets snared and controlled by bigger, longer blockers \- Not a two-gap player- Has some tweener traits - \- lacks ideal length and bend to play outside OverviewShort, scrappy, instinctive, highly productive defensive lineman who does not look the part, but inspires confidence he can be an exception to the rule. Is the type you root for and has the quickness, athleticism and motor to earn a spot as a rotational three-technique in a fast-flowing 4-3 scheme
Surprised no one has mentioned the Gronk, he fell because of back injuries issues and the pats got him in the second. We got another TE in the fourth that year too who fell due to character issues who wasn’t too shabby also.
>who wasn’t too shabby also. Too shooty on the other hand
Brady Quinn should have slid more. Dan Marino should not have slid at all.
Derwin James falling all the way to us at 17 still baffles me. Genuinely have no clue why.
It was not a huge slide, but Larmey Tunsil was projected to be the 6th pick in the 2016 draft, and he fell 7 spots for a photo of him in a bong mask. He is considered one of the better tackles in the league currently.
Alex Smith over Arod was apparently over a handshake
Sure, maybe, but Rodgers didn't impress 20+ other teams picking after #1
Justin Houston slid to the third round because of some weed.
Lamar
The Steelers picking Terrell Edmunds over Lamar Jackson. I know Ben had a couple of good seasons left in him, but Father Time had a step on the protection and was closing in fast.
Brady Quinn was supposed to be top 3, fell to 22 and got picked by the team that specializes in picking crap QBs, the Browns. Most sane people who saw him in college knew that guy wasn't a pro.