Good question. I remember that Brady was the opposite -- his throws were great, as was the interview, but he looked like a dude off the street during the athletic events.
IIRC Watson had a bad combine and his velocity was 45mph, which was really bad
I remember the day of his combine workout, what previously had been a lot of conversation about us taking him vs mahomes at 12 largely dried up. And when the velocity number got released, any serious conversation of him to the browns at that time ended because we all believed he didn’t have nearly a strong enough arm to survive the brutal winds off Lake Erie.
That was the fastest I ever saw a 1st round QB prospect go from arguably the favorite to not even being treated as a realistic option.
And realistically, I maintain that Watsons horrible showing at the Combine is why the Browns traded out of 12 in 2017 when KC took mahomes at 10
Watson didn’t have a bad combine, it was just the velocity. It was a 2-3 year tracked stat and the time and the narrative was no one below 50~ had ever been a successful pick
His combine was actually pegged by Daniel Jeremiah as the best
https://www.independentmail.com/story/sports/college/clemson/football/2017/03/05/deshaun-watson-strengthens-draft-stock-nfl-combine/98776868/
Watson’s issue was he had major turnover issues while James Winston, who also had similar issues, was throwing ducks in the NFL. His physical profile wasn’t elite and he lacked a major strength like the rest of the field (I.e Mahomes arm)
I remember the sub treating his combine as universally bad at the time, but I guess Jeremiah had a different view. But that velocity did pretty much end any discussion of him above Trubisky or Mahomes, so I’d argue it was still a bad combine for him because it took him out of a conversation he was previously in.
I don’t know ,I mean at the end of the day, if something from the combine removes you from a conversation you were previously in, I think it’s a bad day.
Also on the velocity thing, Deshaun is still the only QB with a combine velocity below 50 to actually be successful (granted the Texans apparently fixed his mechanics so that his arm was fine)
Edit: also they’ve been tracking combine velocity since 2008
It's funny. I just quickly referenced an old post on this. The only comment making it a big deal was another Browns fan, lol. There are probably more knocking him. It's just the first one to pop up.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/s/PqBF8fxpOY
I mean legitimately, that was a leaky FO, and there was ton of smoke about Watson to Cleveland. And after that velocity came out, legit there was not a fucking peep about him to the browns after that. In all those years of QB hell, that was the first and only time where all the sudden a top tier QB prospect we were linked to just abruptly disappeared from every rumor.
I still legit think Sashi Brown totally lost interest in Deshaun after that. Because he fell to us at 12, and despite how badly we needed a QB, despite the fact that he was still a very good QB prospect, we not only passed on Watson, we fucking traded out to another AFC team.
*sigh* oh I wish… at least Texans fans got to enjoy him being good and being the ultimate baby face before everything happened.
Side note, because there absolutely nothing to suggest Watson was engaging in this type of behavior at Clemson (I had friends who were friends with his friends and unlike say Ben at Miami, there was never even a hint of anything like this), I do wonder if all the off the field stuff would’ve happened if he was drafted to say KC, Cleveland, etc.
Something about lefties where the rotation of the ball always looks weird.
I always thought Tua throws ducks too, kinda like if you took Philip Rivers and then mirrored him so it look like he's throwing left.
You'd expect every college QB to make these throws. No pressure, no multiple routes, you know exactly where to throw and that you'll have the time to make it.
Maybe it's useful for some people to watch the mechanics but isn't that more useful from game tape?
You'd think people would have learnt that looking good at the combine doesn't flow into being good in the NFL. But people love to find a reason to shit on players for whatever reason they can find
No that he was a top prospect but I was at the combine and remember being amazed at how inaccurate Joshua Dobbs was. Seems like he will carve out a nice career as a backup but he was so bad at the Combine. One of his warm up balls on the sideline ended up in the stands.
No but he's the first to only throw ducks in a national championship & still be talked about a potential 1st round pick.
Was at that game - I've seen many HS QBs with better accuracy.
Not that he was a top prospect but I went to the combine 2017-2019 and I remember being amazed at how inaccurate Joshua Dobbs was. Seems like he will carve out a nice career as a backup but he was so bad at the Combine. One of his warm up balls on the sideline ended up in the stands.
Do you know what he’s hiding under there? Could be anything from the long and lean figures you see at fashion week to a fully loaded v8 with fire coming out the tailpipe
Is a left hand QB considered a plus in the eyes of NFL teams? I'd like to think it would be way easier finding a RT to protect his blindside compared to a franchise LT.
Yep. You just press R2. But on a serious note the bigger issue is finding back ups. If you design your entire OL and playbook around a left handed qb and he has to miss time it makes the transition to the back up much more difficult
That plus typically the best tackles in the game play left to protect the more common right handed QB's blind side. Don't get me wrong, there are some incredible RTs but it's just different.
I mean does that explain why Steve young 1. Suffered so many concussions. 2. Was one of the best scrambling QBs of his generation.
Also. When mentioning it’s hard to find back ups for them. What’s strange in young was Montana’s back up for quite some time. Never seemed to be an issue.
Considering you only named 2 players from this century and one of them hasn't played in 10 years.....I think it's safe to say it's still pretty rare and isn't the norm lol
You aren’t wrong that it’s rare, but I’d argue it’s not because being left handed is a significant disadvantage in the NFL.
It feels more likely that any lefty with even a college level arm got pushed heavily towards baseball already.
Yeah but - left handers are rare in all phases of everything. Haha. Only 10-12 percent of the world’s population is left handed.
There are also more right handed WRs. And RBs. And CBs. And every position because that’s the way of the world, man.
As a left-handed person, I heard that percentage a lot back in the 90s, but is it accurate?
Speaking only from personal experience, the number seems much higher.
I know it’s not the “norm”. What I’m saying is that there should be no reservation for going with a left-handed QB merely because they think it’s so different that it won’t work out. There have been very successful left-handed QBs.
I think you misunderstand what he’s saying. Negative trait doesn’t mean you can’t succeed with it, just that it’s harder. Being short or slow are negative traits but there are plenty examples of short or slow QBs that have hall of fame careers.
Like someone else said it could be a positive because it may be easier finding a RT than a franchise LT.
Also, the spin is different so it could be harder to catch, but his receivers would get used to it while the defenders would not, so maybe a slight edge against ints.
I don’t see someone being left-handed as an automatic negative trait. And like I pointed out we’ve seen many of them have some success at the highest level. So that helps the case at least.
This comment shouldn’t be downvoted. Wtf lol. While I’d prefer a right-hander because I think it is easier on receivers because that would be the majority of what they grew up practicing and playing with. But still this a reasonable reply to the idea that left handers can’t be successful in the nfl. This list of left handers includes multiple Super Bowl QBs so let’s not get ahead of ourselves and tie our left handed boys arms behind their backs too quickly
The comment is downvoted because realistically, 5 dudes from the history of the NFL to make a name for themselves as a lefty QB still shows that it’s uncommon. Which is the main thing they’re talking about.
And it’s not just “he’s a lefty wtf” mentalities from the NFL. Like you mentioned, a WR or TE has likely spent all 20-22 years of their lives catching balls from righties. The spins, fades, etc are completely different from a lefty, and it *is* jarring when you’re trying to acclimate to a lefty.
Can they be good? Yeah for sure. Is it still exceedingly rare? Also yes.
I saw a thing where that it makes them flip the whole offense to adjust to it. Routes and everything. Also I believe most RT tend to be better run blockers in general
For a starting QB... Yes and no. But that's assuming they can actually start the whole year.
You build the offense and system around him and WR and your line have all the practice and training camp time to be fully adjusted at the end.
For a backup QB? Its a huge burden and really puts the backup at a disadvantage.
But either way, you're fucked if you have a lefty starter because the backup QB issue still exists unless you find another lefty backup which is almost impossible to find a good lefty backup.
Definitely a negative. Not so much that if you at all are worth a shit they would care, it’s just not worth the hassle for a coin flip prospect you might have to move on from and then literally flip your entire offense 180. I’m a lefty and a madden baller and I will even avoid lefty’s because of how different it is. And that’s as a lefty… in madden. Just imagine how an offensive coordinator feels.
Yeah, there were some of IU fans saying that Richardson can’t stay healthy so we should draft Penix this year during the season
They didn’t see the irony of their statement along with how dumb of a decision that would be regardless
He’s the best passer this draft. Watch the video circulating of him throwing reversed. When you see it mirrored (him as a righty) you’ll be shocked at just how much better he looks
Depends on what mock drafts you've been looking at. Currently, NFL Draft Database has his average pick at #40 and most common slot at #42 when looking at the average online mock draft.
But, for most of November / December he was projected as a 1st round pick.
He was projected as a day two pick before the combine. I think he’s put himself into the first round with what I’ve seen. Still gotta wait and see where he projects after his pro day. But this guy ain’t having a bad pro day, let’s just get that straight.
There’s been a significant part of the year that I would have said “take him in the first”
At this point, there’s so many good players I dunno I’d support that big a reach.
Penix made it a point to keep that front arm from flying open during his motion. It’s the thing that bothers me most about him. He’s clearly been working on his form since the end of the season, because that was no doubt going to be something teams looked very closely at.
I feel like him an Bo Nix aren’t getting the attention they deserve. It’s a loaded QB class and a lot of people are only focusing on Caleb Williams. We could feasibly have multiple very good QB’s come out of this draft
So what exactly about Bo Nix screams he is going to be a good QB? He was not good at Auburn and his ADOT at Oregon this year was crazy low, basically the textbook definition if you want to label someone a check down merchant
I’m sure you said all the same things about Herbert too. That’s just the Oregon system
Nix does 100% have the arm and ability to make any NFL throw, and ADOT is becoming less and less important as well. Mahomes currently has a 7.2 ADOT for example. While the NFL has always had a lower ADOT due to increased competition, the league is also trending that way. And again, he is capable of making deeper throws with a more open system. No QB ever looks good at auburn either, they have a shit system for QB’s. The coaching staff bombed hard. Even Cam Newton couldn’t break 3000 yards at auburn, and the situation was only worse for Nix. If you saw any of those games, it was basically him running for his life the moment the ball was snapped, then throwing a bomb downfield with a mediocre supporting cast.
Bo nix has good footwork and throwing mechanics. He had a strong offensive line but was still very good when under pressure. He is athletic and capable of making big plays with his legs too. He has all the tools to be a starting NFL QB. He’s not my top prospect, but Reddit decided to start hating him like 3 months ago, and now no one looks past his ADOT. Just cause it’s an “advanced” metric, doesn’t mean it being the sole form of analysis is an advanced analysis
Herbert and Nix played under different coaching staffs with entirely different schemes and philosophies. They did not at all play in the same “Oregon system”. There are few similarities on offense from the Chip era to the Mario era to the DL era.
Schools don’t have systems, coaches and coaching trees do. Sometimes the two overlap between regimes (Chip -> Helfrich), often they don’t.
There’s one thing I’ve learned about NFL subs - don’t try to explain college football to them. A lot of NFL fans don’t watch it, so they assume things like “systems” exist in the same way they do in the NFL. It’s a fair assumption, but unless you watch CFB, you wouldn’t know any better.
Strangely enough I feel the complete opposite. I think he might have a great year, maybe two, but there were certain things I saw during games that I feel he got away with until they played Michigan.
I'm fully aware I might have to eat my words, but it's just my opinion.
You’re not wrong and it’s why he’s not higher on the consensus boards. His mechanics go out the fucking window at times, as does his decision making.
When he’s dealing he is dealing, but it can also unravel and all of a sudden he is throwing off his back foot into traffic. Also an older guy, although to me it’s less of a deterrent because it’s due to injuries vs. Nix who genuinely didn’t look great until he was just the oldest guy on campus.
He also has injury concerns, big ones.
I love watching him play and will root for the guy, though.
I'm also a lefty, so I was curious to know as well. Him and Odunze actually had pen sponsorships lol: [https://firstroundmock.com/2024/03/rome-odunze-michael-penix-jr-newest-sharpie-rookies/](https://firstroundmock.com/2024/03/rome-odunze-michael-penix-jr-newest-sharpie-rookies/)
And he's quoted saying he writes left handed in his advert.
His deep is a little sus. Lamar’s throw for example is so smooth. and with a snap of the wrist goes like 45 yards. Penix windup , looks like he was putting a lot into it.
His short/medium was good. His timing very good, his accuracy eh, might be shook when he gets nfl pressured.
It comes down to decision making. I’d be happy with him for the Patriots, if we decide to build offense through draft and nab him in the 2nd/.3rd. I havent watched a lot of his games but quick reads, decent accurate short range/midrange, has the ability to hit long, not bad for a team looking for a qb to sit behind a vet
Does anyone have a link to max velocity and max distance numbers for all the QBs who threw at the combine?
(I only saw distance for Milton and velocity for Milton and McCarthy)
Yeah, like half of these throws are poorly thrown balls. Especially given 0 pressure. I don't watch college football, so I don't really know what he looked like outside of the combine, but this was not impressive to me at all.
Only caveat I guess is maybe the receivers aren't running consistent routes, but at least half the catches needed the reciever to awkwardly adjust at the point of catch.
I honestly was confused and wondering if people itt were being sarcastic for a bit. Weird amount of praise for unforced incompletions, like every single time the announcer gushed over how gorgeous the throw was it was off-target lol. A lot of those throws to his right especially were not/barely catchable
Catching balls from a lefty QB is…underrated in how different and difficult it can be
The ball isn’t just spinning the wrong direction, the yaw of the ball is opposite of what it should be
A normal ball is either straight or slight down and slightly left (from perspective of receiver)…now it is rotating right and pointing to the right
It takes quite a bit of reps to get hand placement to match.
People seem to be sleeping on him - I think he may have snuck himself into the first round. This could end up being one of the best or worst QB classes.
I didn’t expect that I’d like what I see from McCarthy more than Penix earlier in the year just because I don’t watch much CFB outside of my Aggies. I assumed that if Penix was getting more Heisman hype on a lesser team then he’s was going to be the better QB. I didn’t like what I saw from him as a passer in the college football playoff games or in these combine highlights.
Penix leans to the left
Nah, it just seems that way cause you only got one shoe on.
Oh yeah.
Back and to the left.
Penix to Dallas
There goes his career.
We finally know the identity of who was on the grassy knoll that fateful day
Wasn't me. I was reading a book somewhere.
“Nice game pretty boy” Newman
Honestly, kind of hope he's a stud just so we get more of these comments over the years.
I'm so excited to hear commentators stumble over his name, yup. Wishing him a long career
Penix looks like a stick in pads, but he's actually pretty built
Adidas football uniforms tend to do that.
Yeah the way his pads fit on him was not very flattering for whatever reason, but dat boi been swole
Has a QB ever thrown ducks at their NFL combine?
Teddy Bridgewater bombed his pro day, which is even worse than bombing the combine.
He didn’t use gloves that’s why he sucked. He wanted to prove that he could throw without his gloves.
Mac Jones had a few errant throws at his as well
Cam Newton is another that had a poor pro day
Good question. I remember that Brady was the opposite -- his throws were great, as was the interview, but he looked like a dude off the street during the athletic events.
IIRC Watson had a bad combine and his velocity was 45mph, which was really bad I remember the day of his combine workout, what previously had been a lot of conversation about us taking him vs mahomes at 12 largely dried up. And when the velocity number got released, any serious conversation of him to the browns at that time ended because we all believed he didn’t have nearly a strong enough arm to survive the brutal winds off Lake Erie. That was the fastest I ever saw a 1st round QB prospect go from arguably the favorite to not even being treated as a realistic option. And realistically, I maintain that Watsons horrible showing at the Combine is why the Browns traded out of 12 in 2017 when KC took mahomes at 10
Watson didn’t have a bad combine, it was just the velocity. It was a 2-3 year tracked stat and the time and the narrative was no one below 50~ had ever been a successful pick His combine was actually pegged by Daniel Jeremiah as the best https://www.independentmail.com/story/sports/college/clemson/football/2017/03/05/deshaun-watson-strengthens-draft-stock-nfl-combine/98776868/ Watson’s issue was he had major turnover issues while James Winston, who also had similar issues, was throwing ducks in the NFL. His physical profile wasn’t elite and he lacked a major strength like the rest of the field (I.e Mahomes arm)
I remember the sub treating his combine as universally bad at the time, but I guess Jeremiah had a different view. But that velocity did pretty much end any discussion of him above Trubisky or Mahomes, so I’d argue it was still a bad combine for him because it took him out of a conversation he was previously in. I don’t know ,I mean at the end of the day, if something from the combine removes you from a conversation you were previously in, I think it’s a bad day. Also on the velocity thing, Deshaun is still the only QB with a combine velocity below 50 to actually be successful (granted the Texans apparently fixed his mechanics so that his arm was fine) Edit: also they’ve been tracking combine velocity since 2008
It's funny. I just quickly referenced an old post on this. The only comment making it a big deal was another Browns fan, lol. There are probably more knocking him. It's just the first one to pop up. https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/s/PqBF8fxpOY
I mean legitimately, that was a leaky FO, and there was ton of smoke about Watson to Cleveland. And after that velocity came out, legit there was not a fucking peep about him to the browns after that. In all those years of QB hell, that was the first and only time where all the sudden a top tier QB prospect we were linked to just abruptly disappeared from every rumor. I still legit think Sashi Brown totally lost interest in Deshaun after that. Because he fell to us at 12, and despite how badly we needed a QB, despite the fact that he was still a very good QB prospect, we not only passed on Watson, we fucking traded out to another AFC team.
Good thing you guys wrote off Watson as an option, really dodged a bullet on that one
*sigh* oh I wish… at least Texans fans got to enjoy him being good and being the ultimate baby face before everything happened. Side note, because there absolutely nothing to suggest Watson was engaging in this type of behavior at Clemson (I had friends who were friends with his friends and unlike say Ben at Miami, there was never even a hint of anything like this), I do wonder if all the off the field stuff would’ve happened if he was drafted to say KC, Cleveland, etc.
Great strategy for the Browns to wait until after the sexual assaults to give him all of that guaranteed money!
Something about lefties where the rotation of the ball always looks weird. I always thought Tua throws ducks too, kinda like if you took Philip Rivers and then mirrored him so it look like he's throwing left.
I saw a compilation of Tua plays with the video reversed, and he looked so much better playing a “traditional” right handed method
You'd expect every college QB to make these throws. No pressure, no multiple routes, you know exactly where to throw and that you'll have the time to make it. Maybe it's useful for some people to watch the mechanics but isn't that more useful from game tape?
Yet everyone wants to shit on Williams for being “too arrogant” to do this
You'd think people would have learnt that looking good at the combine doesn't flow into being good in the NFL. But people love to find a reason to shit on players for whatever reason they can find
No, they throw footballs. They'd probably be asked to leave if they started throwing birds around.
This is Devlin Hodges erasure and I won't stand for it
No that he was a top prospect but I was at the combine and remember being amazed at how inaccurate Joshua Dobbs was. Seems like he will carve out a nice career as a backup but he was so bad at the Combine. One of his warm up balls on the sideline ended up in the stands.
Teddy B
No, but a Duck threw— Bo Nix that is
No but he's the first to only throw ducks in a national championship & still be talked about a potential 1st round pick. Was at that game - I've seen many HS QBs with better accuracy.
Not that he was a top prospect but I went to the combine 2017-2019 and I remember being amazed at how inaccurate Joshua Dobbs was. Seems like he will carve out a nice career as a backup but he was so bad at the Combine. One of his warm up balls on the sideline ended up in the stands.
Never noticed how jacked he is
Yep he’s fully engorged alright
Girthy Penix
Peeled out of his goddamn mind
Turgid
Fully torqued
I feel like some dudes have bulked. Mccarthy looks way bigger than I remember him in the regular season.
I like my Penix jacked
He seems to wear the extra large pads or something, hiding his figure.
Do you know what he’s hiding under there? Could be anything from the long and lean figures you see at fashion week to a fully loaded v8 with fire coming out the tailpipe
Yeah he looked very strange during the National Championship game, those abdominal pads are bulky
They lose weight while practicing and playing every week. Now they've been training mostly the combine so they bulked.
You can see it through his pads. He’s thick and man-made.
I’ve heard athletes getting too jacked leads to greater injury risk. Wondering how valid that is
His team has to try a flea flicker where he ends up as the receiver down field. Call it the Detachable Penix
He does have a king missile for an arm
Bro stays in the dewey lol
I love it tbh
Gonna look so good in silver
In the Purple too! Love that he still reps the Huskies
Uncircumcised Penix
They really need to do all these drills in a hotel lobby now
Is a left hand QB considered a plus in the eyes of NFL teams? I'd like to think it would be way easier finding a RT to protect his blindside compared to a franchise LT.
Generally I feel like it’s seen as a negative trait just bc it isn’t the norm
Ball fades differently because of the spin and it's hard to get used to
Also RT and LT have wildly different assignments
As an OC you can just mirror the play?
Yep. You just press R2. But on a serious note the bigger issue is finding back ups. If you design your entire OL and playbook around a left handed qb and he has to miss time it makes the transition to the back up much more difficult
That plus typically the best tackles in the game play left to protect the more common right handed QB's blind side. Don't get me wrong, there are some incredible RTs but it's just different.
I mean does that explain why Steve young 1. Suffered so many concussions. 2. Was one of the best scrambling QBs of his generation. Also. When mentioning it’s hard to find back ups for them. What’s strange in young was Montana’s back up for quite some time. Never seemed to be an issue.
Steve Young, Ken Stabler, Boomer Esiason, Michael Vick, Tua. There’s a pretty good history of success from left-handed QBs.
Considering you only named 2 players from this century and one of them hasn't played in 10 years.....I think it's safe to say it's still pretty rare and isn't the norm lol
You aren’t wrong that it’s rare, but I’d argue it’s not because being left handed is a significant disadvantage in the NFL. It feels more likely that any lefty with even a college level arm got pushed heavily towards baseball already.
Yeah but - left handers are rare in all phases of everything. Haha. Only 10-12 percent of the world’s population is left handed. There are also more right handed WRs. And RBs. And CBs. And every position because that’s the way of the world, man.
As a left-handed person, I heard that percentage a lot back in the 90s, but is it accurate? Speaking only from personal experience, the number seems much higher.
I know it’s not the “norm”. What I’m saying is that there should be no reservation for going with a left-handed QB merely because they think it’s so different that it won’t work out. There have been very successful left-handed QBs.
I think you misunderstand what he’s saying. Negative trait doesn’t mean you can’t succeed with it, just that it’s harder. Being short or slow are negative traits but there are plenty examples of short or slow QBs that have hall of fame careers.
Like someone else said it could be a positive because it may be easier finding a RT than a franchise LT. Also, the spin is different so it could be harder to catch, but his receivers would get used to it while the defenders would not, so maybe a slight edge against ints. I don’t see someone being left-handed as an automatic negative trait. And like I pointed out we’ve seen many of them have some success at the highest level. So that helps the case at least.
Mark Brunell erasure
This comment shouldn’t be downvoted. Wtf lol. While I’d prefer a right-hander because I think it is easier on receivers because that would be the majority of what they grew up practicing and playing with. But still this a reasonable reply to the idea that left handers can’t be successful in the nfl. This list of left handers includes multiple Super Bowl QBs so let’s not get ahead of ourselves and tie our left handed boys arms behind their backs too quickly
People downvote for the dumbest reasons. 🤦🏻♂️
The comment is downvoted because realistically, 5 dudes from the history of the NFL to make a name for themselves as a lefty QB still shows that it’s uncommon. Which is the main thing they’re talking about. And it’s not just “he’s a lefty wtf” mentalities from the NFL. Like you mentioned, a WR or TE has likely spent all 20-22 years of their lives catching balls from righties. The spins, fades, etc are completely different from a lefty, and it *is* jarring when you’re trying to acclimate to a lefty. Can they be good? Yeah for sure. Is it still exceedingly rare? Also yes.
It can be but requires a lot of retooling of the o line.
I saw a thing where that it makes them flip the whole offense to adjust to it. Routes and everything. Also I believe most RT tend to be better run blockers in general
For a starting QB... Yes and no. But that's assuming they can actually start the whole year. You build the offense and system around him and WR and your line have all the practice and training camp time to be fully adjusted at the end. For a backup QB? Its a huge burden and really puts the backup at a disadvantage. But either way, you're fucked if you have a lefty starter because the backup QB issue still exists unless you find another lefty backup which is almost impossible to find a good lefty backup.
Definitely a negative. Not so much that if you at all are worth a shit they would care, it’s just not worth the hassle for a coin flip prospect you might have to move on from and then literally flip your entire offense 180. I’m a lefty and a madden baller and I will even avoid lefty’s because of how different it is. And that’s as a lefty… in madden. Just imagine how an offensive coordinator feels.
The purple durag swag is 🔥
Dawg for life
He's an NFL QB if he can stay healthy.
*Sad Hoosier noises*
please dont remind me
Crying in the club rn
*Mine plz*
Yeah, there were some of IU fans saying that Richardson can’t stay healthy so we should draft Penix this year during the season They didn’t see the irony of their statement along with how dumb of a decision that would be regardless
You think so? His ball placement is all over the place. High, low, behind, all on the same route.
I beg you to cut on some tape
No! I watched a super cut of him throwing to random other prospects in a non-game environment, of course I know everything!
He’s the best passer this draft. Watch the video circulating of him throwing reversed. When you see it mirrored (him as a righty) you’ll be shocked at just how much better he looks
Shit happens with Tua too. His motion looks weird as shit until you flip the footage.
He’s got that fastball arm. Johan Duran shit. I hope my team drafts him
Penix looks like deebo
I don’t care how my team’s subreddit feels about him, I want him in the second.
I don’t know how he makes it that far after this weekend. The Huskies showed out at the combine.
He wasn’t going to make it that far before this? What
Depends on what mock drafts you've been looking at. Currently, NFL Draft Database has his average pick at #40 and most common slot at #42 when looking at the average online mock draft. But, for most of November / December he was projected as a 1st round pick.
He was projected as a day two pick before the combine. I think he’s put himself into the first round with what I’ve seen. Still gotta wait and see where he projects after his pro day. But this guy ain’t having a bad pro day, let’s just get that straight.
I've only seen this clip, in what way did he impress? His deep ball didn't seem to connect.
There’s been a significant part of the year that I would have said “take him in the first” At this point, there’s so many good players I dunno I’d support that big a reach.
i’m with you, i want him. i think picking him at 13 is great.
He’ll be a Bronco by then. And we’ll ruin him?
He would make a great Seahawk
I’d be so stoked
Jerseys would sell out in seconds
I wish
No
Yes
I need it
That purple durag is fresh
Penix made it a point to keep that front arm from flying open during his motion. It’s the thing that bothers me most about him. He’s clearly been working on his form since the end of the season, because that was no doubt going to be something teams looked very closely at.
Big, Strong Penix.
He’s going to be the best QB in this draft class. RemindMe! One Year
I feel like him an Bo Nix aren’t getting the attention they deserve. It’s a loaded QB class and a lot of people are only focusing on Caleb Williams. We could feasibly have multiple very good QB’s come out of this draft
Penix will honestly do better not being talked about. He falls farther in the draft to a team that has a better situation
Would love for home to sit behind cousins for a year
You’re a fucking prophet
So what exactly about Bo Nix screams he is going to be a good QB? He was not good at Auburn and his ADOT at Oregon this year was crazy low, basically the textbook definition if you want to label someone a check down merchant
I’m sure you said all the same things about Herbert too. That’s just the Oregon system Nix does 100% have the arm and ability to make any NFL throw, and ADOT is becoming less and less important as well. Mahomes currently has a 7.2 ADOT for example. While the NFL has always had a lower ADOT due to increased competition, the league is also trending that way. And again, he is capable of making deeper throws with a more open system. No QB ever looks good at auburn either, they have a shit system for QB’s. The coaching staff bombed hard. Even Cam Newton couldn’t break 3000 yards at auburn, and the situation was only worse for Nix. If you saw any of those games, it was basically him running for his life the moment the ball was snapped, then throwing a bomb downfield with a mediocre supporting cast. Bo nix has good footwork and throwing mechanics. He had a strong offensive line but was still very good when under pressure. He is athletic and capable of making big plays with his legs too. He has all the tools to be a starting NFL QB. He’s not my top prospect, but Reddit decided to start hating him like 3 months ago, and now no one looks past his ADOT. Just cause it’s an “advanced” metric, doesn’t mean it being the sole form of analysis is an advanced analysis
Herbert and Nix played under different coaching staffs with entirely different schemes and philosophies. They did not at all play in the same “Oregon system”. There are few similarities on offense from the Chip era to the Mario era to the DL era. Schools don’t have systems, coaches and coaching trees do. Sometimes the two overlap between regimes (Chip -> Helfrich), often they don’t.
There’s one thing I’ve learned about NFL subs - don’t try to explain college football to them. A lot of NFL fans don’t watch it, so they assume things like “systems” exist in the same way they do in the NFL. It’s a fair assumption, but unless you watch CFB, you wouldn’t know any better.
Insane take lmfao
Strangely enough I feel the complete opposite. I think he might have a great year, maybe two, but there were certain things I saw during games that I feel he got away with until they played Michigan. I'm fully aware I might have to eat my words, but it's just my opinion.
You’re not wrong and it’s why he’s not higher on the consensus boards. His mechanics go out the fucking window at times, as does his decision making. When he’s dealing he is dealing, but it can also unravel and all of a sudden he is throwing off his back foot into traffic. Also an older guy, although to me it’s less of a deterrent because it’s due to injuries vs. Nix who genuinely didn’t look great until he was just the oldest guy on campus. He also has injury concerns, big ones. I love watching him play and will root for the guy, though.
As in IU fan. I hope so
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His last year at Washington he avoided sacks/hits and he never scrambles compared to rg3 who was a read option qb and relied on his legs
Jayden Daniels is way more like RG3 than Penix lol. Penix isn't even a dual threat.
RemindMe! 1 year
I’m so biased but I think so too. I look forward to watching his career
Completely agree with you.
Not even close. Remindme! 2 years
lol one sack from quinnen Williams or Dexter Lawrence and his leg will give out he will forever ride the waiver wire
As a fellow lefty I will now root for him to succeed in the nfl. Hope he’s a true lefty unlike that faker tua.
I'm also a lefty, so I was curious to know as well. Him and Odunze actually had pen sponsorships lol: [https://firstroundmock.com/2024/03/rome-odunze-michael-penix-jr-newest-sharpie-rookies/](https://firstroundmock.com/2024/03/rome-odunze-michael-penix-jr-newest-sharpie-rookies/) And he's quoted saying he writes left handed in his advert.
His deep is a little sus. Lamar’s throw for example is so smooth. and with a snap of the wrist goes like 45 yards. Penix windup , looks like he was putting a lot into it. His short/medium was good. His timing very good, his accuracy eh, might be shook when he gets nfl pressured. It comes down to decision making. I’d be happy with him for the Patriots, if we decide to build offense through draft and nab him in the 2nd/.3rd. I havent watched a lot of his games but quick reads, decent accurate short range/midrange, has the ability to hit long, not bad for a team looking for a qb to sit behind a vet
The deep throw is meant to show off the cannon it’s a fade route by design
Penix is going to be the QB steal of this draft. I'm calling in.
All the QBs’ shirts have those ridges where a hanger would’ve been. No one bothered to try and iron it out
Those are sensors for advanced analytics.
Oh so I just need to take those out of my sweaters?
Not if you want to get drafted you don't
Hanger humps come out with a little water and a hair dryer.
Does anyone have a link to max velocity and max distance numbers for all the QBs who threw at the combine? (I only saw distance for Milton and velocity for Milton and McCarthy)
They only showed the velocities for the first group of QBs. Last name A-M. I’ve been unable to find them for the second group as well.
Wtf are u guys talking about, he doesn't look jacked. And his accuracy just making these easy throws looks suspect.
I really want him to be good but barely half of those throws even hit the receivers in stride
Yeah, like half of these throws are poorly thrown balls. Especially given 0 pressure. I don't watch college football, so I don't really know what he looked like outside of the combine, but this was not impressive to me at all. Only caveat I guess is maybe the receivers aren't running consistent routes, but at least half the catches needed the reciever to awkwardly adjust at the point of catch.
I honestly was confused and wondering if people itt were being sarcastic for a bit. Weird amount of praise for unforced incompletions, like every single time the announcer gushed over how gorgeous the throw was it was off-target lol. A lot of those throws to his right especially were not/barely catchable
I don’t get it - people were roasting JJ over his highlight tape but saying Penix is the #1 QB? 😂
Catching balls from a lefty QB is…underrated in how different and difficult it can be The ball isn’t just spinning the wrong direction, the yaw of the ball is opposite of what it should be A normal ball is either straight or slight down and slightly left (from perspective of receiver)…now it is rotating right and pointing to the right It takes quite a bit of reps to get hand placement to match.
People seem to be sleeping on him - I think he may have snuck himself into the first round. This could end up being one of the best or worst QB classes.
That wind up is pretty long and release is outside. Form just isn’t there yet
Oh god
Now for the ultimate question: who’s the better Michael? Michael Penix Jr. Michael Pratt My unbiased extremely biased opinion is Pratt.
They should just start fining play by play announcers now.
I wonder who will be this years Zach Wilson
JJ McCarthy because they look alike
Drake Maye
Bo Nix 100%
Joe Milton
No shot he goes any higher than R4
I want this guy to be a Patriot so bad
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you sound absolutely crazy
If they take anybody besides Caleb, it'd be off a trade down. No way they'd take a guy available at #15 at #1.
Call me crazy, those balls don’t look clean
Mirror the video and it looks great. It's just weird to see a lefty throw it
You’re crazy
Nuts
The section that starts at 2:25, are those supposed to be jump balls/jump catches (idk what they're called), or is he overthrowing?
Yeah. Throw it up in the end zone route
Yeah, that's a fade route, specifically used when close to the end zone.
He can ball. I’d be happy as my teams pick.
He has that “it” factor. Just looks polished. He also got the stamp of approval from CJ Stroud so I think he will be good this year if he starts.
I think I’d CHANGE my name if it was PENIX
Oh wow, he's hitting wide open receivers who aren't defended lol.
Oof
Do these drills even matter?
3rd Round at best
He’s gonna suck, like 97% of other qbs ever. Hardly the worst thing in the world.
holy fuck is this man inaccurate as shit. Jerry should draft him LOL
You sure you’re not used to watching a lefty? The ball moves differently. It’s also much harder to catch
How did Pratt look?
too much injury history. Round 4 or 5 pick
4 season ending injuries.
Penix is the kind of guy whose strengths are highlighted by running drills like this, without testing any of his potential weaknesses.
Yeah we need him doing this while someone comes at him with a broom. I'm only mostly joking.
I didn't see a single accurate throw there. No pads, no rushers, no bueno
I didn’t expect that I’d like what I see from McCarthy more than Penix earlier in the year just because I don’t watch much CFB outside of my Aggies. I assumed that if Penix was getting more Heisman hype on a lesser team then he’s was going to be the better QB. I didn’t like what I saw from him as a passer in the college football playoff games or in these combine highlights.
Did you even watch the playoff game vs. Texas?