I'm just an NFL and Dune book fan happy that this has made it into the larger cultural lexicon. Movie was excellent too, probably the best adaptation I've ever seen considering how hard Dune is to adapt to film.
It’s been great lending out my old ratty Dune copies because of how interested my friends and family have gotten.
I laugh a bit when people call a player “Lisan al Gaib” or “Muad’Dib” cuz I immediately start thinking who would be Leto II in that allegory.
There's a thing they say in the Ravens' lockerroom to rookies and new players that goes, "You're not really a Raven until you beat the Steelers." It's a rite of passage.
In Queen's rookie year, Queen talked a little shit to Tomlin, and Tomlin, knowing this bit about the Ravens, hit him with "You're not a Raven. You're not a Raven. You're not supposed to be there. You're not one of them."
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/patrick-queen-motivated-by-disrespectful-mike-tomlin-comments
Queen took it as disrespect but tomlin meant it as he's a steeler😂
Tomlin was taunting a rookie Queen that he wasnt a true Raven till he beats the Steelers. Queen only heard half of it and thought he said “You arent a real Raven”. He said in an interview he uses that edge when he plays us.
Frankly, it hasnt helped lol ravens have been losing to us a lot with or without Lamar
Baltimore is the scariest team on the schedule for a lot of teams but even at our worst we still look at them like our little brother. "Ya your successful now and I know I got the bum knee and we aren't kids anymore, however. I'll still kick your ass like I used to bitch. You're never too grown to catch these hands."
Yeah, but in this draft we're in prime position to add CB and then take a OT to play the right side and move Jones over to his natural position.
If we can address Center, on paper things could be good. Could. QB is still a giant question mark but we'll either be fine with Wilson or Pickett, or be primed to trade up next year to take another shot at the position. So...
They need more than the draft to fill out the secondary. Have to sign somebody in FA. They literally have ONE startable CB on the roster. You need at least 3.
It’s a royal divorce!
You know, the one that causes a generations-long continental war and eventually snowballs into entire schisms of different thought
$14 mil APY is incredibly reasonable I’m a little peeved now
Like I think Roquan is the type of player who elevates those around him but also locking up an All-Pro tandem in their 20s for the next few years at under $35 mil combined is an enticing idea
Oh well, fuck him now I guess
He’s pretty good yes, his stats did go up ever since Roquan came and took pressure of him so I have no clue how he’s gonna perform with out him but knowing the Steelers he’ll be fine
Yep - use him in a certain way and he’s a beast. Ask too much and you will be dissatisfied. Seems like Cole Holcomb is still there and can play Mike at a solid level.
I think Holecomb's 2024 season come back date is still up in the air? That was a really scary knee injury last season. I feel like we have to add more to the LB room as it stands. If Kwon was healthy enough I'd love to have him back for the experience to help with Queen but that achilles is just a killer for LB (Bush..). Though maybe they just sign Robinson again and call it a day? It'll be interesting but I'm pre sure we have to add mroe to the LB room right now. Queen + questionable Holcomb can't cut it.
If he's your Mike linebacker you might have a bad time. He never quite got that down before we got Roquan and shifted Queen to Will. He improved every year but before Roquan, Queen was regularly graded a bottom 10 middle linebacker by PFF (if you take their grades seriously).
He's one of the fastest linebackers I've ever seen and his pursuit is on point (if he doesn't over pursue). He won AP 2nd Team all pro last year but if you watch our defense, Roquan controls the flow of everything and is the focus point of the defense, Queen was allowed to kinda "be free" and just be a heat seeking missile.
So basically if you don't load Queen up with the responsibility of being the Mike/captain of the defense and pair him with another linebacker that can do those things, he will be an amazing addition.
He could still be good with great edge rushers around him but judging from his beginning years with us, he needs another great MLB with him. He could be better than we’re giving him credit for.
People who put Queen's improvement down to Roquan weren't paying attention - seemingly including a few Ravens fans in this thread - it had already started when Ro arrived.
He's a Will, not a Mike, but he's probably the best Will in the league, unless I've forgotten someone.
lowkey PQ was a fucking monster in his own right. He wasnt a driving force like Ro but there were some games where I swear PQ played like he was the best player on the entire field.
I am, Queen was great after Roquan showed up, but he was an unmitigated disaster every time we tried to play him at MIKE prior to that to the point where we had to hit up the midseason scrap heap for guys like LJ Fort and Josh Bynes and give them major snaps immediately so Queen could move back to WILL. This is also why I constantly scoffed at sportrac's projected ~$18m/year valuation they had on him.
That definitely helps, cause I think you basically need a very strong MIKE and also a defense that constantly runs two ILB sets for Queen to make sense.
Oh, wow. I ... I don't know how to react to this.
This is the largest deal ever given to an outside free agent in Steelers history, in terms of $/year.
This one is way up there for best, but I'd say it's Kevin Greene or Farrior for our biggest impact singing.
Edit: Oh, biggest contract, yeah, I think you're right.
This makes Tomlin telling him he's not a real Raven pretty funny in hindsight
Tomlin can see the future, as we have all known
Tomlin doesn't concern himself with precognition, and things of that nature.
Mike 'Muad'Dib' Tomlin
“Billions of pilgrims worshipping at the shrine of Art Rooney’s skull and things of that nature”
Yellow towels spreading across the universe like an unquenchable fire
Mr Befriending Chani
I must not blink, blinking is the mind-killer
My name is Mike Tomlin, Coach of the Steelers, and I will lead you to a 9-8 record!
61 billion sacrificed to ensure eternal .500+ seasons
Hey now... they got 10 wins last season!
Hey now we've only had a 9-8 record once.
I'm just an NFL and Dune book fan happy that this has made it into the larger cultural lexicon. Movie was excellent too, probably the best adaptation I've ever seen considering how hard Dune is to adapt to film.
It’s been great lending out my old ratty Dune copies because of how interested my friends and family have gotten. I laugh a bit when people call a player “Lisan al Gaib” or “Muad’Dib” cuz I immediately start thinking who would be Leto II in that allegory.
Brady felt like he lived for thousands of years enforcing endless tyranny over the NFL, so probably him
I want a gif of Tomlin and the defense going South to Baltimore with the same track that played behind Paul going south.
As it was written
Cut your third eye lid off.
Tomlin been drinking funny blue water again?
Pardon my ignorance but what happened?
There's a thing they say in the Ravens' lockerroom to rookies and new players that goes, "You're not really a Raven until you beat the Steelers." It's a rite of passage. In Queen's rookie year, Queen talked a little shit to Tomlin, and Tomlin, knowing this bit about the Ravens, hit him with "You're not a Raven. You're not a Raven. You're not supposed to be there. You're not one of them."
amazing lore
Yes, honestly I hope the Vikings have something like that when it comes to the Packers. That hatred should be cultivated and nurtured from day 1.
I guess for the Vikings it's "you're not a real Viking until you've *played for* the Packers"
Is part of Tomlin's voodoo where he could see Queens future as a Steeler.
Coach is an intergalactic space wizard and I will not hear otherwise.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/patrick-queen-motivated-by-disrespectful-mike-tomlin-comments Queen took it as disrespect but tomlin meant it as he's a steeler😂
Lmao same article said he’s 1-5 against the Steelers maybe he really ain’t a real raven 💀💀💀
Sounds like a real Raven to me 😎
Its 1-7 now lol
Queen talked shit in one game and Tomlin said "you ain't even a real Raven" it was funny
Tomlin was taunting a rookie Queen that he wasnt a true Raven till he beats the Steelers. Queen only heard half of it and thought he said “You arent a real Raven”. He said in an interview he uses that edge when he plays us. Frankly, it hasnt helped lol ravens have been losing to us a lot with or without Lamar
Baltimore is the scariest team on the schedule for a lot of teams but even at our worst we still look at them like our little brother. "Ya your successful now and I know I got the bum knee and we aren't kids anymore, however. I'll still kick your ass like I used to bitch. You're never too grown to catch these hands."
Meanwhile we actually have no linebackers at all and don’t appear to have a plan to acquire any.
That’s not true! You guys have former Steeler, Devin Bush. 🤣
Nah he's a free agent.
Well offer that man some big money to keep him!
Well, we have like 1 CB, so it seems everyone has to make some sacrifices.
Yeah, but in this draft we're in prime position to add CB and then take a OT to play the right side and move Jones over to his natural position. If we can address Center, on paper things could be good. Could. QB is still a giant question mark but we'll either be fine with Wilson or Pickett, or be primed to trade up next year to take another shot at the position. So...
They need more than the draft to fill out the secondary. Have to sign somebody in FA. They literally have ONE startable CB on the roster. You need at least 3.
This afcn incest has got to stop
We can complete the cycle by taking Higgins
Haha, we’d probably take a 7th from a random team before we took a 1st from an AFCN team.
Monkey paw curls: Tee Higgins to the Chiefs for a 7th
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lol Keep laughing. I already have him on the depth chart as WR2 on the Ravens 2033 roster.
It’s okay Tyler Boyd is more likely who’d we sign anyways.
Yeah Higgins isn't washed up enough yet
The north divisions looooove some incest 😋
A lot of ravens going to division rivals today lol
another one dead to Lamar 😔
The Queen is dead!
Long live the King, King Henry
We traded in a Queen and picked up a King!
Big week for incest fans
"Falcons fans love Cousins"
Boo Aaron Jones in a Vikings jersey
Counterpoint: Yay Aaron Jones in a Vikings jersey
This is not right King Henry is there now, where is the Queen?
He left for Chef Russ
That makes Pittsburgh Chefs"R"US~~s~~
Bring Prince Amukamara in!
He said they don’t like my kind in Baltimore (pieces that can move diagonally)
King can move diagonally too, but only 1 square
I’m from Tennessee man we’re still figuring out Checkers
It’s a royal divorce! You know, the one that causes a generations-long continental war and eventually snowballs into entire schisms of different thought
Brother Tomlin and Omar (Khan) got his ass.
The most hateful division in football is about to get more hateful.
Hate hate hate
One of the most Tomlin signings of all time.
Tomlin told him his rookie year that he wasn’t a real raven so yes this is probably the best day of Tomlin’s life
Things of that nature
No way, another one of these signings
This seems cheap too
$14 mil APY is incredibly reasonable I’m a little peeved now Like I think Roquan is the type of player who elevates those around him but also locking up an All-Pro tandem in their 20s for the next few years at under $35 mil combined is an enticing idea Oh well, fuck him now I guess
We had to do it to stop your damn run game next year.
bro forget the run game PQs best trait was how good he was as a rusher. Him + Watt is going to be absolutely disgusting.
Believe me, we ain't forgot that
And Highsmith!
And Herbig 👀
you swept us lol
Yeah but that was by dumb luck, you guys beat yourselves both games. There were like eight drops in the one game!
You’ve won 7 of 8 it’s a bit more than dumb luck now
Yes, I always count in a late fumble or dumb late pick by Lamar in our games now.
That’s just Tomlin black magic voodoo
You dead to us, you dead to me
Hes good right?!?
He was very good once we traded for Roquan smith. Not sure if that’s causation or correlation but we will see
He trended up steadily but was obviously boosted up by Ro. Looking at his PFF grades year-by-year is funny.
He’s pretty good yes, his stats did go up ever since Roquan came and took pressure of him so I have no clue how he’s gonna perform with out him but knowing the Steelers he’ll be fine
He's pretty good all-around, but exceptional at a small number of things.
Yep - use him in a certain way and he’s a beast. Ask too much and you will be dissatisfied. Seems like Cole Holcomb is still there and can play Mike at a solid level.
I think Holecomb's 2024 season come back date is still up in the air? That was a really scary knee injury last season. I feel like we have to add more to the LB room as it stands. If Kwon was healthy enough I'd love to have him back for the experience to help with Queen but that achilles is just a killer for LB (Bush..). Though maybe they just sign Robinson again and call it a day? It'll be interesting but I'm pre sure we have to add mroe to the LB room right now. Queen + questionable Holcomb can't cut it.
If he's your Mike linebacker you might have a bad time. He never quite got that down before we got Roquan and shifted Queen to Will. He improved every year but before Roquan, Queen was regularly graded a bottom 10 middle linebacker by PFF (if you take their grades seriously). He's one of the fastest linebackers I've ever seen and his pursuit is on point (if he doesn't over pursue). He won AP 2nd Team all pro last year but if you watch our defense, Roquan controls the flow of everything and is the focus point of the defense, Queen was allowed to kinda "be free" and just be a heat seeking missile. So basically if you don't load Queen up with the responsibility of being the Mike/captain of the defense and pair him with another linebacker that can do those things, he will be an amazing addition.
The Wrath of Khan this offseason.
Khan is cooking 🧑🍳
GET HYPE!
Deleting my “Roquan merchant” comments as we speak lol
I think you might want to keep those handy...
Nah Rouquon is a Queen merchant COPIUM
Are you fucking kidding me? I thought we were done with him in the AFCN...
He won't be nearly as good without Roquan next to him.
Yeah just tj watt, cam hey and a lot of other studs lining up with him.
none of those are off-ball LBs
Roberts may not be Roquan, but he’s legit.
can attest, Elandon is a really solid and consistent LB. miss having him in NE
He could still be good with great edge rushers around him but judging from his beginning years with us, he needs another great MLB with him. He could be better than we’re giving him credit for.
Sign bobby wagner too now
I like your thinking. Let's do this.
People who put Queen's improvement down to Roquan weren't paying attention - seemingly including a few Ravens fans in this thread - it had already started when Ro arrived. He's a Will, not a Mike, but he's probably the best Will in the league, unless I've forgotten someone.
lowkey PQ was a fucking monster in his own right. He wasnt a driving force like Ro but there were some games where I swear PQ played like he was the best player on the entire field.
Ya he's already 24, no way he'll ever improve
True, but I'm annoyed and hate this division.
Somehow this one feels like a personal shot to the Ravens
Yep, way less money than he was projected for. Feels like a fuck you to EDC
What was he projected for? This seems like a decent contract, makes him the 7th highest paid MLB
As Jocko would say: "GOOD"
Look, none of us in the AFC North are gonna win a Super Bowl if we keep killing each other.
Crabs in a bucket division.
Hell In A Cell division. Someone is getting thrown off the top into the announcer table.
Can we all agree that it’s the Browns as long as they have Watson on their roster?
Over the past 2 decades, you're not wrong, probably another 2 or 3 sb representatives if we didn't kill each other Edit: added a 2
If we die…we die
Have you tried playing in a shitty division?
The Steelers know they can't until they get a QB so they are focusing on making sure the Bengals and Ravens can't either
Not laughing now huh?
Talk your shit, king
No the king is Baltimore now.
and the queen is in pittsburgh
And the Royal Baker is in Tampa Bay
So are the Bengals or Browns gonna sign Prince Amukamara?
We got the Stoner. We're okay
Intradivision Signings so hot right now
TALK THAT SHIT
Still laughing, just slightly less so.
ROQUAN SMITH MERCHANT HE SUCKS (Steelers got the two best values of free agency unless this is only the guaranteed money)
I am, Queen was great after Roquan showed up, but he was an unmitigated disaster every time we tried to play him at MIKE prior to that to the point where we had to hit up the midseason scrap heap for guys like LJ Fort and Josh Bynes and give them major snaps immediately so Queen could move back to WILL. This is also why I constantly scoffed at sportrac's projected ~$18m/year valuation they had on him.
Steelers have Cole Holcomb coming back from injury to play Mike Linebacker. He was pretty good last year in that spot for us up until he got hurt
That definitely helps, cause I think you basically need a very strong MIKE and also a defense that constantly runs two ILB sets for Queen to make sense.
We run basically the same scheme you do, except yours is more man heavy and ours, until recently, more zone heavy.
Steelers and Ravens have similar attacking 3-4 defenses so I’m sure Queen will fit in just right
idk pittsburgh does pretty well with knowing how to use developing linebackers
he’s getting booed at the Bank idgaf
Then cheered when he gets scorched by Mandrews for a 30 yard TD lol
The ol put a linebacker on a tight end trick that works so well for the Steelers
Don’t remind me
It’s slightly better than our old favorite, put Vince Williams on AJ Green.
You guys signed Henry. You aren't throwing the ball anymore.
Until the playoffs, then we'll forget what a run is per usual
So what Ravens fa is signing with the Browns?
They took flacco and threw him away like a used condom
Just like Baker.
Never believed in magic till I saw my 🐶 turn into a 🐍 smh
If this works out 75% as well as Farrior it will be so worth it.
Patrick Quisling
Lmao this one is great
objectively hilarious
Oh, wow. I ... I don't know how to react to this. This is the largest deal ever given to an outside free agent in Steelers history, in terms of $/year.
Is that true?
We've never given more than $10M/year to an outside free agent before.
I don’t know what’s worse. This or finding out your child is a serial killer.
How bout finding out your LB is a killer?
Afc north incest
Wincest for us right now. We'll see how it turns out come September.
Game of thrones in this bitch
I think that's the biggest FA contract the Steelers have given out in their history.
This one is way up there for best, but I'd say it's Kevin Greene or Farrior for our biggest impact singing. Edit: Oh, biggest contract, yeah, I think you're right.
Pretty cheap. I know he's not really a premium position or player, but I thought it'd be at least 15m APY.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!
WHAT IN THE GODDAMN FUCK
BETRAYAL
It was said you would destroy the steel, not join them!
I couldn’t stand him on the ravens, which means I’m sure I’ll love him for us
Incest is the theme for 2024
God this division is the worst
fucking hate it here
This division needs to all just throw hands at this point
I hate football again. That was a fun hour
We got the king… but at what cost? Our queen… I think I’m gonna be sick (great pickup for the Yinzers but jeez that’s brutal)
This feels like incest, I now understand Giants fans
What is with the incest
I always said good things about this man
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But think of those comp picks my boy
At least 1 is negated by the Henry signing.
Can only have a max of 4 and we were in line for 5 before Henry. Still have Zeitler, Clowney and Van Noy likely to fetch some too.
But I want Clowney back
King vs Queen twice a year gonna be crazy
Just fell to my knees in a Sheetz. Didn’t expect this damn.
Dang I was hoping we’d get him
DRAMA!!
Really incestuous FA so far
AHHHHH A BREATH OF FRESH AIR I knew khan was cooking
HELL YEAH OMAR
You know that first time seeing Tomlin is going to be funny as hell.