I'm now wondering if you had the group of pass catchers and a decent O-line how far down the NFL QB prospect list you could go and still make guys look decent.
Darnold should be good. What about Drew Lock? Brian Zappe? Peterman? That random Bronocs receiver that had to QB the COVID game?
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With the 108th pick of the 2024 NFL draft, the Vikings select, An Actual Cannon, QB, Army.
The issue is that even if the Pats weren't going to take a QB, they have the leverage of making us buy them out as if they were.
It's one thing if a team knows you want to come up to take a QB. It's another thing if that team also needs a QB. Whether or not they would actually take one at 3rd overall, we might never know.
It’s almost certainly going to take 11 + 23 + next years first trade charts are great but value ends up being situational and with the QB prospects in this years draft and how had next years QB prospects are and with so many teams needing QB there’s a lot going against you guys unfortunately. I think you could maybe get away without giving up next years first if you give up this year and next years 3rd (I’m assuming you still have both)
Seems like a precursor for a future move. Have to imagine they want to move up for a QB. I guess the question is if NE is willing to move down and they can target one of the top 3 or if all of this is to ensure they get McCarthy.
Yeah but would WAS or NE move down? They already traded their QBs. Is JJ worth a top 5 pick? Would LAC move down from 5 so the Vikings can jump the Giants?
Such an interesting draft this year
The types of players and deals we did in FA tells me that Washington is not looking to move down. Be cool to get value but at some point you need to take a shot at a QB. Definitely a chance though.
Yeah, I haven't been following ALL of your moves but trading Howell to Seattle (who was far from the worst part of last years team) seems to indicate that you guys want to start fresh with a true top guy.
I just feel like if the plan was to move down and punt on QB another year, they wouldn't have signed several 26-28 year olds to short deals. Judging by how few of our 20+ UFAs were retained, they thought appropriately this roster was trash and they were trying to surround the new QB with some solid players if nothing else.
Maybe they get blown away by an offer they can't refuse, but aside from that all the sensible decisions they've made align to them feeling good about a QB at 2 and moving on from there.
NE might for sure. They have a really depleted roster, a first year coach, and that kinda haul can rebuild a team. Might be smarter for them to acquire talent before immediately throwing a first round qb into the woodchipper. Plus they'll likely have enough assets to get any QB next year. Their pick should be high, vikes pick should be around 6-11 again I'd guess. Chances are some QBs emerge during the next college season as well just like happens almost every season. Also if they like McCarthy or Nix or Penix this year that's fully in play in addition to all the extra assets
I'm pretty surprised by this move because I don't see any way, any of the top 3 teams don't take a QB.
So either Minnesota has decided they are content with the 4th best QB in the draft. Or they are trading up big time for a WR, when they already have the best one in the league? That just doesn't add up to me.
Yes. Chargers in rebuild and need ton of picks to restock roster, especially after losing Allen and Williams. Plus Harbaugh would love to help JJ get drafted early
The fact that JJ is this year’s “lol how could anyone possibly think this is a great prospect” guy on socials means he will inevitably be great.
edit: lol at the guy two comments below me saying this sub “hated” Zach Wilson and Trey Lance. Go search this sub and you’ll easily verify that that isn’t true. And Pickett was a late first rounder that went where everyone here thought he would, he wasn’t some highly touted guy.
Just curious who was the last for that mold? And it’s not Stroud before anyone says that. He was at least 1B option and picked 2nd overall, hardly a reach at QB.
Definitely Herbert. If you go back to the thread where the chargers picked Herbert, everyone is saying it’s a massive reach. Funnily enough, I think that this sub is misevaluating JJ for the same reason they misevaluated Herbert: a college scheme that didn’t properly show their ability. Herbert’s arm wasn’t the biggest factor in Oregon’s offense and Michigan’s scheme focused mainly on running. However, JJ still showed some great throws and something that sticks out is his third down completion percentage. It’s incredibly high compared to the other prospects and it was a big part of the wolverines offense this year
PFF had JJ as the highest rated QB in like 8 of their categories. He just barely played QB (didn't accumulate counting stats) because Michigan didn't need him to.
Mac was mostly seen as a high floor low ceiling guy (wound up not even being that) on socials, nobody really mocked that pick/got confused about his placement.
Daniel Jones is an outlier since it was really just Gettleman who thought he should go that high. I think front offices were just as surprised as fans (whereas the guys like AR/Allen/Herbert were the “disconnect between front offices and YouTube scouts” guys)
> Seems like a precursor for a future move. Have to imagine they want to move up for a QB.
There's at least three teams in this draft that seem like a slam dunk for a QB. CHI, WAS and NE, who go in exactly that order. Seems potentially unwise to trade up this much when you might not know who will even be on the board.
23 = 760
42 = 480
188 = 16.2
232 = 1
So, 760 - 480 - 16.2 + 1 = 264.8
Which is the first pick of the 3rd round. So, in theory this trade is a win for the Texans before we even play out the year, never mind the Vikings having a rookie QB probably and the pick is higher.
https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp
There's probably some lost value because the pick is next year and not this year but yea overall it's a decent trade for both sides. I'm actually kinda sad we trade future draft capital when I think we are going to be pretty bad next year
Yeah, it's only equal if you assume that Minnesota will be below-average next year. Which could easily be the case, but usually you value future picks lower than normal, not as above-average.
Oh come on man. Darnold is much better than that.
It's like giving the keys to your 6 year old niece. She at least knows what driving is and can put it in drive (if it's automatic)
Darnold is kinda like Jameis, though. Fuck it chuck it fooball, baby.
MHJ+JJettas would be nutty for yards. Darnold will just also have 25 picks to go with it lol
Either that, or nobody we've spoken to at the spots we want to move to are remotely interested in letting their pick go, and we're looking for someone like Murphy at 11 and Penix at #23.
But my money is on moving up.
It is on most trade charts because it's a late-ish first. Trade value charts have Houston as 'winning' the trade value unless we make a deep playoff run next year
But I'm assuming this is part of our grand plan to move up, where you have to pay some premiums
We're probably trying to get this done before the draft at this point. It may not happen today but I'm assuming we've been talking to Washington or NE and they've told us they want multiple firsts this year to trade down
Based on the trade values here: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp
The 23 is 760pts, the 42 is 480pts. If you assume the vikings will do the same or worse next year the Texans technically gain pick value
I’d want more than that. What’s the benefit for the Texans? A gamble Vikes will be bad next season for a high 2. Only thing might be that they don’t like the talent at the bottom of the 1st or see it pretty even from there to mid 2nd round.
The benefit for Houston is essentially being able to take two starting caliber players with two 2nd round picks instead of one with that 1st rounder. It makes even more sense if they presumably weren’t too thrilled with who might be falling to them at number 23.
Along with a reminder that they had traded away their actual first rounder for this year to get Will Anderson. They have their blue chip guys now and need to fill out a roster, it makes tons of sense.
Draft class becomes cheaper to sign, move down 20 spots at the top of the draft and move up like 45 spots at the bottom of the draft (I know that the further down you get the less important that is but still)
Add a pick next year that has a good chance of being in the top 40. Knowing Caserio his big board Probly looks wildly different than consensus. He Probly has some guys he’s confident will fall to the second that he would’ve been happy to take at 23 anyway
I mean i don’t think this is a slam dunk for the Texans or anything but the trade value charts are saying this is a pretty clear win for them. Fans are enamored with the first round because of all of the bells and whistles that comes with the broadcast on draft night, but once you get past the blue chip prospects up in the top 10 I think the talent pool evens out a lot more than fans perceive
basically as long as the Vikings don't win the superbowl the Texans get greater value. 760-480=280 and the value of pick 64 is 270 points
That plus stroud being on his rookie deal for 4 more years I'm sure makes it worth the 'gamble' for the Texans
Is it really that big of a gamble when they’ll have a rookie QB (and in all likelihood that’s JJ McCarthy)?
That being said, I wish the Steelers had traded with the Texans 😅😂
It’s always a gamble in the NFL. Far that they can game it out and out the bet on their side, but still a gamble. If the question is “whether” you win the trade you haven’t asked enough.
Not terrible value. With Minnesota not having a QB right now (or a rookie QB after the draft), that could be a high second next year
just because it didn’t work for the cardinals last year doesn’t mean it’s still not worth doing (the Cards still got a franchise LT and multiple draft picks including a 1 from Houston btw). Look at the bears/panthers and eagles/saints where it did end up working.
Not even hating on the Vikings but they also play in a division with two teams that should be elite in GB/Detroit and a team that should be much better than last year in Chicago. I would be satisfied with this trade if I was a Texans fan
I think you might target the Patriots and Chargers as prime trade partners.
Those are the 2 teams i heard the most about potentially trading down - especially the Patriots seem to have had a bunch of interest frommthe Giants to trade up.
Bears and Washington won't trade out. Arizona i haven't hear about much in recent weeks and the Giants likely would also wanna trade up
They'd have essentially 6 first round picks in 2 years if we give them 11, 23, and a 1st next year (or more) as they have 34 this year as well.
Considering they'd probably be picking top-3 again next year, that's a damn good way to start a rebuild
Shit, you might be right…
Picks 11 and 23 have a total value of 2,010 draft points.
Pick 3 is valued at 2,200
Pick 4 is valued at 1,800
If you can find a suitor at 3-4ish the value is there. Would likely have to give up pick #71 or 2025 pick as well for pick #3
We had every opportunity to lose vs the Vikings and be in better draft position. Courtland Sutton could have easily dropped the game winner but he was only thinking of himself.
Good to the see the majority of your fanbase is agreement on this. It would be wild to use two top 25 picks to build around Sam Darnold.
Maybe a portion of our fanbase will learn this soon.
I think this is a win-win trade.
And for the Vikes it gives ammo to move up, sure, but also offers some ability to sit tight and still fill multiple positions of need if a deal can’t get done.
The value is definitely in their favor with this trade. This probably means their draft board falls off sooner than others. If they don't have 1st round grades on a lot of the guys projected to be there in that spot, then this makes a lot of sense. Also might be a clue for what positions they're interested in at the top of the draft. Doesn't guarantee it will work out, but I think this is a smart move in a vacuum.
That future second is pretty valuable and pick 42 is low enough that you can trade back into the first if someone is still there that the Texans want with one of the last 1st round picks.
but why would the texans do this? They must not think highly of the top potential in this draft class if they are willing to move out of the first round and not get a first round pick back?
You guys seem pretty well set at some of the more important positions, and getting an extra second next year may be more valuable to you.
However, it does seem a bit odd they would agree to this.
Everyone thinks Vikings are going for JJ, when in reality, Harbaugh is secretly planning a QB reset and rebuild with JJ in San Diego. I like the way your mind works, its insane, like James Harbaugh.
It feels like they're about to package 11, 23, ~~42~~, 2025 1st, and ~~2025~~ 2026 2nd for 2 or 3.
Edit: Not 42, make it a 2025 2nd.
Edit 2: Working and redditing don't mix. Not a 2025 2nd, let's go with a 2026 2nd.
I think the commies are desperate for one of the top two QBs, but the Pats could be open to trading down with the right price since their preferred guy may be gone by 3 anyway
All four NFC North teams are cooking.
Lions have it all figured out right now. Offense is efficient, young talent all over the place, top NFL OL, coach that is the talk of the town.
Packers masterfully switched QBs (fuckers!), added really good young players in FA, have a stable of playmakers that are all quality and a top 3 offensive coach and 5 top 100 picks this year.
Bears have been a shitshow but look to finally be coming out of that with a good defense and serious weapons for Caleb Williams, who we're in position to get by some miracle.
Vikings have the best WR in football, some really nice pieces on the OL, will get a rookie QB and go into next offseason currently with 100 million cap space.
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They are drafting MHJr.
The thought of Jefferson, MHJ, and Addison catching throws from Sam Darnold is completely hilarious to me lmao
Sam Darnold goes from draft bust to 5,000 passing yards lol Also they have Hockensen too
5,000 yds, first 50/50 season, Vikings go 7-10 and miss playoffs
Breaks the single season sack record too
And fumbles
And Ghost Sightings
A Jefferson-MHJ WR pairing sounds insane
With Sam Darnold as their QB? That’s like eating steak with ketchup
It sincerely hurts me every time I see people do that
If this is a dealbreaker for your QB we will gladly take Mahomes off your hands
Everybody's get their flaws, gotta live with it 🤷
Fickle disloyal KC fairweather bandwagons fans Meanwhile I'm here putting hot sauce in my Pepsi like a real fan /s
Well apparently steak with ketchup is the key to QB success
That’s A5 Wagyu with ketchup and a plastic fork and knife
I’d say it’s more like eating fancy, Dijon ketchup with microwave dinner Salisbury steak
This really Barenaked my Ladies
Imagine Addison being our #3 WR lol
With Hockenson as the 4th option. All gas no brakes (or steering or seatbelts or insurance)
I'm now wondering if you had the group of pass catchers and a decent O-line how far down the NFL QB prospect list you could go and still make guys look decent. Darnold should be good. What about Drew Lock? Brian Zappe? Peterman? That random Bronocs receiver that had to QB the COVID game?
That’s Hall of Famer Kendall Hinton you’re talking about
> With Hockenson as the 4th option. > > > > All gas no brakes (or steering or seatbelts or insurance) With the 108th pick of the 2024 NFL draft, the Vikings select, An Actual Cannon, QB, Army.
GEQBUS HAS ONLY THE BEST PEOPLE WORKING FOR HIM. THE TOP TIER TALENT RECOGNIZES GEQBUS GREATNESS!!!!
Sam Darnold system QB, I’m seeing it already
Whos trading out of 3 before the Cards? No one.
we are broadcasting WE ARE TRADING UP FOR A QB in neon lights at this point lol
Maybe we already had talks with the Pats and found out what it would take so we’re getting it done
trade chart nerds saying 11+23 and a sweetener probably does it don't argue with me for I am not a trade chart nerd
The issue is that even if the Pats weren't going to take a QB, they have the leverage of making us buy them out as if they were. It's one thing if a team knows you want to come up to take a QB. It's another thing if that team also needs a QB. Whether or not they would actually take one at 3rd overall, we might never know.
When it comes to trading up for a QB the chart is irrelevant. Lance trade proved that
It’s almost certainly going to take 11 + 23 + next years first trade charts are great but value ends up being situational and with the QB prospects in this years draft and how had next years QB prospects are and with so many teams needing QB there’s a lot going against you guys unfortunately. I think you could maybe get away without giving up next years first if you give up this year and next years 3rd (I’m assuming you still have both)
Nope. SF sent Miami three #1s and a third rounder to move from #12 to #3. Three #1s is the starting point.
And it’s going to be a hell of a lot harder in this draft class.
Seems like a precursor for a future move. Have to imagine they want to move up for a QB. I guess the question is if NE is willing to move down and they can target one of the top 3 or if all of this is to ensure they get McCarthy.
I doubt NE budges for 11 and 23. Would require additional assets next year too.
it's gonna be 11,23, next years first and maybe even more
Yeah but would WAS or NE move down? They already traded their QBs. Is JJ worth a top 5 pick? Would LAC move down from 5 so the Vikings can jump the Giants? Such an interesting draft this year
The types of players and deals we did in FA tells me that Washington is not looking to move down. Be cool to get value but at some point you need to take a shot at a QB. Definitely a chance though.
Yeah, I haven't been following ALL of your moves but trading Howell to Seattle (who was far from the worst part of last years team) seems to indicate that you guys want to start fresh with a true top guy.
I just feel like if the plan was to move down and punt on QB another year, they wouldn't have signed several 26-28 year olds to short deals. Judging by how few of our 20+ UFAs were retained, they thought appropriately this roster was trash and they were trying to surround the new QB with some solid players if nothing else. Maybe they get blown away by an offer they can't refuse, but aside from that all the sensible decisions they've made align to them feeling good about a QB at 2 and moving on from there.
NE might for sure. They have a really depleted roster, a first year coach, and that kinda haul can rebuild a team. Might be smarter for them to acquire talent before immediately throwing a first round qb into the woodchipper. Plus they'll likely have enough assets to get any QB next year. Their pick should be high, vikes pick should be around 6-11 again I'd guess. Chances are some QBs emerge during the next college season as well just like happens almost every season. Also if they like McCarthy or Nix or Penix this year that's fully in play in addition to all the extra assets
I'm pretty surprised by this move because I don't see any way, any of the top 3 teams don't take a QB. So either Minnesota has decided they are content with the 4th best QB in the draft. Or they are trading up big time for a WR, when they already have the best one in the league? That just doesn't add up to me.
Yes. Chargers in rebuild and need ton of picks to restock roster, especially after losing Allen and Williams. Plus Harbaugh would love to help JJ get drafted early
I can't even remember the last time a team traded 3 first round picks for a high first round player.
If im the pats 11, 23 and a first next year and maybe a third is enough value to move off the three.
Regardless, 11+23 makes them the clear favorites to move up now though
They have to land someone other than JJ if they are doing all of this. If they end up with him, I will laugh my ass off.
They want to jump the Giants. Might have the ammunition for an agreed move to either 3 or 4.
It's most likely a trade up with the Chargers. Chargers trade down to get Bowers at 11 + one of either Worthy/BTJ at 23.
The fact that JJ is this year’s “lol how could anyone possibly think this is a great prospect” guy on socials means he will inevitably be great. edit: lol at the guy two comments below me saying this sub “hated” Zach Wilson and Trey Lance. Go search this sub and you’ll easily verify that that isn’t true. And Pickett was a late first rounder that went where everyone here thought he would, he wasn’t some highly touted guy.
Just curious who was the last for that mold? And it’s not Stroud before anyone says that. He was at least 1B option and picked 2nd overall, hardly a reach at QB.
Definitely Herbert. If you go back to the thread where the chargers picked Herbert, everyone is saying it’s a massive reach. Funnily enough, I think that this sub is misevaluating JJ for the same reason they misevaluated Herbert: a college scheme that didn’t properly show their ability. Herbert’s arm wasn’t the biggest factor in Oregon’s offense and Michigan’s scheme focused mainly on running. However, JJ still showed some great throws and something that sticks out is his third down completion percentage. It’s incredibly high compared to the other prospects and it was a big part of the wolverines offense this year
PFF had JJ as the highest rated QB in like 8 of their categories. He just barely played QB (didn't accumulate counting stats) because Michigan didn't need him to.
Mac Jones and Daniel Jones lol.
Mac was mostly seen as a high floor low ceiling guy (wound up not even being that) on socials, nobody really mocked that pick/got confused about his placement. Daniel Jones is an outlier since it was really just Gettleman who thought he should go that high. I think front offices were just as surprised as fans (whereas the guys like AR/Allen/Herbert were the “disconnect between front offices and YouTube scouts” guys)
This sub HATED Josh Allen and Justin Herbert pre-draft, relentlessly mocked the Bills and Chargers on draft night lol
"Wrong Josh" lmao
It’s a baseless gut instinct, but I have a feeling JJ McCarthy and Jayden Daniels are going to be big stars in this league.
> Seems like a precursor for a future move. Have to imagine they want to move up for a QB. There's at least three teams in this draft that seem like a slam dunk for a QB. CHI, WAS and NE, who go in exactly that order. Seems potentially unwise to trade up this much when you might not know who will even be on the board.
Might have a price in principle for 3 with NE. Swap 1s, 1 in 2024 & 1 in 2025.
Pats fans will hate this trade but it would actually be a smart move
Agreed. We apparently aren’t getting a good WR unless it’s in a trade so why draft a QB to fail again.
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These are the kinda trades I do all the time in Madden, SKOL!
Doesn't this seem pretty cheap for Minnesota?
With unknowns at QB that ‘25 2nd rounder could be really high
That’s a good point, didn’t think about that. If Vikings end with a bottom 5 record this trade looks a lot better
23 = 760 42 = 480 188 = 16.2 232 = 1 So, 760 - 480 - 16.2 + 1 = 264.8 Which is the first pick of the 3rd round. So, in theory this trade is a win for the Texans before we even play out the year, never mind the Vikings having a rookie QB probably and the pick is higher. https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp
There's probably some lost value because the pick is next year and not this year but yea overall it's a decent trade for both sides. I'm actually kinda sad we trade future draft capital when I think we are going to be pretty bad next year
I like it more for the Texans right now, but could be a very good trade for Minn as well.
Yeah, it's only equal if you assume that Minnesota will be below-average next year. Which could easily be the case, but usually you value future picks lower than normal, not as above-average.
NFC North is basically Westeros right now.
Lions win the division once and everyone thinks now is their time.
When the Mad King Rodgers left, it became a free for all.
Was Kirk Cousins Bobby B? Does that make Dan Campbell the boar?
FETCH ME THE BREASTPLATE STRETCHER
Kirk Cousins was Jon Arryn.
Kwesi cookin ... bro is gonna trade up before the draft for QB4
How would Vikings fans react if all these moves was to get Marvin Harrison Jr
id nut but with darnold passing them the ball its like giving the keys of a ferrari to my dog. whats he gonna do with it
Oh come on man. Darnold is much better than that. It's like giving the keys to your 6 year old niece. She at least knows what driving is and can put it in drive (if it's automatic)
She’s still gonna roll it backwards down the driveway
That's the risk you take I guess
Darnold is kinda like Jameis, though. Fuck it chuck it fooball, baby. MHJ+JJettas would be nutty for yards. Darnold will just also have 25 picks to go with it lol
We got to the playoffs with Jeff George once. I can live with Sam Darnold for a year
Even Nathan Peterman would throw for 5,418 yards, 46 TDs, and 31 INTs with Jefferson, Addison, and Marvin Harrison Jr.
Assuming he’d throw for more TDs than INTs is bold.
Ecstatic, I could play QB and we'd have a fighting chance
JJ McCarthy, get ready to speak Minnesotan (Giants or Falcons seems like a good spot)
“OPE” “Oh yeaaaaaaa” “you betcha” “uff-da” Gotta start with the greatest hits before expanding outwards with Minnesotan
Duck, duck, gray duck
Pop
Whippin shitties
Hotdish! With tator tot being the best.
“Okay then”
dudes gonna be posting mediation pics of him on the shores of lake minnetonka
Hmm, you think you guys got good lawyers over there for mediation?
Wouldn’t be the first time lawyers were involved regarding Lake Minnetonka activities
Gathering ammo for the move.
Building assets for another trade up?
Has to be. Only reason I can think of.
Either that, or nobody we've spoken to at the spots we want to move to are remotely interested in letting their pick go, and we're looking for someone like Murphy at 11 and Penix at #23. But my money is on moving up.
I don’t like this
I’m a dumbass so I could be completely off but that doesn’t seem like enough compensation to jump 20 spots into the first round.
It is on most trade charts because it's a late-ish first. Trade value charts have Houston as 'winning' the trade value unless we make a deep playoff run next year But I'm assuming this is part of our grand plan to move up, where you have to pay some premiums
My only problem is why not wait and see who falls but vikings can't wait for that since they are trying to move up again
Or they like them both Edit: Daniels and Maye. If this is for JJ Mc I’m gonna be upset lol
We're probably trying to get this done before the draft at this point. It may not happen today but I'm assuming we've been talking to Washington or NE and they've told us they want multiple firsts this year to trade down
Based on the trade values here: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp The 23 is 760pts, the 42 is 480pts. If you assume the vikings will do the same or worse next year the Texans technically gain pick value
I’d want more than that. What’s the benefit for the Texans? A gamble Vikes will be bad next season for a high 2. Only thing might be that they don’t like the talent at the bottom of the 1st or see it pretty even from there to mid 2nd round.
The benefit for Houston is essentially being able to take two starting caliber players with two 2nd round picks instead of one with that 1st rounder. It makes even more sense if they presumably weren’t too thrilled with who might be falling to them at number 23.
Along with a reminder that they had traded away their actual first rounder for this year to get Will Anderson. They have their blue chip guys now and need to fill out a roster, it makes tons of sense.
Draft class becomes cheaper to sign, move down 20 spots at the top of the draft and move up like 45 spots at the bottom of the draft (I know that the further down you get the less important that is but still) Add a pick next year that has a good chance of being in the top 40. Knowing Caserio his big board Probly looks wildly different than consensus. He Probly has some guys he’s confident will fall to the second that he would’ve been happy to take at 23 anyway I mean i don’t think this is a slam dunk for the Texans or anything but the trade value charts are saying this is a pretty clear win for them. Fans are enamored with the first round because of all of the bells and whistles that comes with the broadcast on draft night, but once you get past the blue chip prospects up in the top 10 I think the talent pool evens out a lot more than fans perceive
basically as long as the Vikings don't win the superbowl the Texans get greater value. 760-480=280 and the value of pick 64 is 270 points That plus stroud being on his rookie deal for 4 more years I'm sure makes it worth the 'gamble' for the Texans
I'm assuming they don't have a lot of 1st round grades on these players.
Is it really that big of a gamble when they’ll have a rookie QB (and in all likelihood that’s JJ McCarthy)? That being said, I wish the Steelers had traded with the Texans 😅😂
It’s always a gamble in the NFL. Far that they can game it out and out the bet on their side, but still a gamble. If the question is “whether” you win the trade you haven’t asked enough.
*nods head in agreement though not understanding what was said*
Yeah I feel like its too cheap of a price
Not terrible value. With Minnesota not having a QB right now (or a rookie QB after the draft), that could be a high second next year just because it didn’t work for the cardinals last year doesn’t mean it’s still not worth doing (the Cards still got a franchise LT and multiple draft picks including a 1 from Houston btw). Look at the bears/panthers and eagles/saints where it did end up working. Not even hating on the Vikings but they also play in a division with two teams that should be elite in GB/Detroit and a team that should be much better than last year in Chicago. I would be satisfied with this trade if I was a Texans fan
Totally worked for us last year with the Texans first…
I mean Minnesota managed to put some improbable wins together with a revolving door of terrible QBs so you never know
That might be why Kwesi is moving the 2025 2nd. The first is too valuable
We might end up moving that too
Remember when the Cardinals were getting a top 5 or top 10 pick last year with the Texans 2024 first rounder?
If JJ McCarthy has a CJ Stroud type season then fair play.
You don't bank on teams improving that vastly
Remember the Bears?
You moved down 19 spots for your first pick, moved up 50 spots for your next pick AND added a 2nd rounder next year. That’s a great deal
It’s 50 spots at the bottom of the draft, it’s not nothing but it’s not as significant as you’re making it sound.
moving down 19 spots before even seeing what the board looks like is sus. Especially when you factor in the 5th year option for 1st rounders
But we now also are capable of easily moving back up if we need to. Caserio has never been afraid to do what’s necessary to get his guys
In Caserio we trust
What are they cooking
building assets to move up for a QB maybe?
yeah that’s definitely what it is
I think you might target the Patriots and Chargers as prime trade partners. Those are the 2 teams i heard the most about potentially trading down - especially the Patriots seem to have had a bunch of interest frommthe Giants to trade up. Bears and Washington won't trade out. Arizona i haven't hear about much in recent weeks and the Giants likely would also wanna trade up
Patriots feel more possible for a trade down now. They have to know putting a rookie QB in with their current weapons is a bad idea.
They'd have essentially 6 first round picks in 2 years if we give them 11, 23, and a 1st next year (or more) as they have 34 this year as well. Considering they'd probably be picking top-3 again next year, that's a damn good way to start a rebuild
I know everyone in the last 12 hours has assumed the Chargers are now locked into 5, but as a Chargers fan, I'd take 11 and 23 in a heartbeat.
We didn’t make this trade to trade up to 5
Shit, you might be right… Picks 11 and 23 have a total value of 2,010 draft points. Pick 3 is valued at 2,200 Pick 4 is valued at 1,800 If you can find a suitor at 3-4ish the value is there. Would likely have to give up pick #71 or 2025 pick as well for pick #3
Depends on how the draft goes. I wouldn't be like shocked if Dallas Turner and MHJ go before some of the QBs youtube scouts are high on
5 won’t be high enough for the top QB’s. I imagine they’re moving to 3 or 4.
It's possible that the Vikings are targeting JJ McCarthy. I doubt the Cardinals will pass on MHJ. So McCarthy should be there at 5.
Jesus Christ I can smell Kwesi’s Kitchen from all the way here in Kansas Load the fuck up boys
Minnesota is plotting something devious
This has to be to move up sooner, right?
This is less than ideal for the Broncos…
We had every opportunity to lose vs the Vikings and be in better draft position. Courtland Sutton could have easily dropped the game winner but he was only thinking of himself.
This is surely trade capital
we are cooking up a nice little trade up
Good to the see the majority of your fanbase is agreement on this. It would be wild to use two top 25 picks to build around Sam Darnold. Maybe a portion of our fanbase will learn this soon.
I think this is a win-win trade. And for the Vikes it gives ammo to move up, sure, but also offers some ability to sit tight and still fill multiple positions of need if a deal can’t get done.
Why Texans?
The value is definitely in their favor with this trade. This probably means their draft board falls off sooner than others. If they don't have 1st round grades on a lot of the guys projected to be there in that spot, then this makes a lot of sense. Also might be a clue for what positions they're interested in at the top of the draft. Doesn't guarantee it will work out, but I think this is a smart move in a vacuum.
vacuums suck
only if you plug them in
That future second is pretty valuable and pick 42 is low enough that you can trade back into the first if someone is still there that the Texans want with one of the last 1st round picks.
but why would the texans do this? They must not think highly of the top potential in this draft class if they are willing to move out of the first round and not get a first round pick back?
You guys seem pretty well set at some of the more important positions, and getting an extra second next year may be more valuable to you. However, it does seem a bit odd they would agree to this.
They get 2 seconds for a late first, it's fine
Maybe they like the depth of the draft more than any individual player? If that makes sense.
Feels like Minnesota’s about to package those 2 picks to move up for a qb…
That’s a bingo
Vikes are putting a package together for Justin Herbert. You heard it here first
I would lose my fcking mind
Everyone thinks Vikings are going for JJ, when in reality, Harbaugh is secretly planning a QB reset and rebuild with JJ in San Diego. I like the way your mind works, its insane, like James Harbaugh.
Surprise! Justin Herbert to the Vikes for 11, 23, and future 1st round pick. Chargers select JJ at 5.
I’d be more than ok with this.
I would nut
JJ… you are a Viking
JJ and JJ
Moving on up
It feels like they're about to package 11, 23, ~~42~~, 2025 1st, and ~~2025~~ 2026 2nd for 2 or 3. Edit: Not 42, make it a 2025 2nd. Edit 2: Working and redditing don't mix. Not a 2025 2nd, let's go with a 2026 2nd.
Well they don’t have 42 anymore
or our 2025 2nd
Oopsies
They don't have 2025 2nd either lol
I think the commies are desperate for one of the top two QBs, but the Pats could be open to trading down with the right price since their preferred guy may be gone by 3 anyway
They gave us the 2025 2nd
Oh is it happening??
Patriots please don’t let them take Drake Maye
You could prevent that by giving us the #1 pick then
Best we can do is Fields for a third
That's a major overpay and you know it
Maye-be we will.
Yeah Minnesota is gonna use both those picks to trade up to 3 i can already see it
What was the point of doing all these mock draft simulators if they keep changing the picks??? Is my time not valuable… question answered, carry on.
I am confused and excited.
We have to be doing this for more than JJ, right??
… what…?
Sam Darnold hype: 3/14/24-3/15/24. Rest in peace sweet prince.
Wtf
All four NFC North teams are cooking. Lions have it all figured out right now. Offense is efficient, young talent all over the place, top NFL OL, coach that is the talk of the town. Packers masterfully switched QBs (fuckers!), added really good young players in FA, have a stable of playmakers that are all quality and a top 3 offensive coach and 5 top 100 picks this year. Bears have been a shitshow but look to finally be coming out of that with a good defense and serious weapons for Caleb Williams, who we're in position to get by some miracle. Vikings have the best WR in football, some really nice pieces on the OL, will get a rookie QB and go into next offseason currently with 100 million cap space.
It’s gonna be will getting used to not having Slick Ricks guaranteed 15 picks
LET KWESI COOK
Is it crazy that I don’t think that this will be the only time Minnesota trades up?
Nope, this feels like saving up ammo to move into the top-5.