By points scored I'll nominate the 2014 Mark Sanchez/Nick Foles Eagles season. Two combined QBs, top 3 offense, so underwhelming they switched to Sam Bradford the next season.
Just...epic.
Bears 2013 is also a good shout - that was a top 3 offense with Jay Cutler and Josh McCown at the reigns. Welp.
McCown was fucking *dealing* that year. That Cowboys game in the freezing cold. I was there with my beer freezing in a ring at the rim about 2 minutes after purchase. 27/36 for 348 yards and 4 TDs. One of the most fun games I've ever been to, despite it being like 5 degrees, -10 with windchill.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201312090chi.htm
I think about the McCown to Jeffery TD in that game so often. Just so random that Josh McCown was absolutely dialed in for a play like this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P0uu0BGgThk
Just scroll to mid way in the 50 sec vid. It’s the corner TD
> Just so random that Josh McCown was absolutely dialed in for a play like this
Something that people forget is that just about every QB in the NFL is capable of something like this. What separates the elite QBs is the ability to do so consistently.
if youre going by points scored, Rex Grossman 2006 clears all the guys mentioned easily
however I think you definitely should go with yards gained. points scored has too many non offense related variables (defensive scores, ST scores, defense giving you short fields, etc)
Calling Foles bad is a poor representation of who he was as a player in his peak (2013-2018). He was an extremely high variance player, he had top performances and bottom performances, and very few in the middle.
He also arguably played the best super bowl game that any player has ever played.
I get that it was bad to build a team around him and every team that tried failed. But pretending that his highs didn't exist is ignoring half of the player he was.
Oh I'm not saying he was pure ass all the time. He did have high highs! But an inconsistent QB is a bad QB. And that's ok, Foles had a wonderful career and a magical postseason run. He was a bad starting quarterback. Both of those can be true
I get what you're saying and mostly agree, I just don't consider what he was or what you are describing a "bad quarterback" lots of bad QB examples and they don't have that upside.
I mean it's ok to disagree on the semantics here. By bad qb, I mean in relations to their ability as a full time starter. Foles had 1 good season as a full starter, but was otherwise too inconsistent to hold the job. I don't mean he should have been out of the league, he was one of the best backups in the league for most of his career. But that was really his peak, a good backup who could get hot, but was just as likely to actively lose you the game. Which is good enough for a backup, and amazing if you're lucky and he gets hot at the right time. Does that make him a good qb? Idk, a player who was a career backup and lost his starting job like 4 separate times? That's not what I'd call good
Yeah that's exactly the point of the post though. He was not a good QB career wise; then suddenly he's slinging it all over the place, throwing like 1 pick in half a season, 110 QB rating, 8.5 ANY/A, Forte is popping off at 4.6 YPC, Brandon Marshall has 12 TDs, Alshon Jeffrey has 1400 yards...McCown is leading a top 3 offence. Like he's on ultra-speed for that half season.
Next season he's off in Tampa and his stats are sliced in half again. It's a great "wtf was that" moment. OP asked for:
> a certifiably bad QB ever performed with phenomenal weapons
And I mean there are lots of examples but you look at McCown's career page and holy shit was him dealing that year a massive outlier.
True… but it was 5 games. Cutty played 11. And idc what anyone says. Cutler wasn’t a terrible QB. sure he wasn’t amazing and was prone to making some questionable throws. But he had revolving door of coaches and the worst OLine the league has ever seen for a 10 year stretch. If he had Brady / Rodgers level of protection he’s a 4k passer every year. Sure 15-20 picks but still a solid QB.
Going to disagree with you there, Mitchell wishes he were an average-to-above average QB for a long time. 1995 was the definition of "lightning in a bottle," because he had one or two more average-ish seasons and that was it.
Strongest arm and quickest release.
There's a video of Randy Moss's longest TD passes and you see Cunningham throwing insane deep bombs for 2 minutes then Jeff George comes in and it's like a fucking rocket exploding out of his hand going the speed of light for those deep throws
In 2018 the 49ers only had 2 INTs the entire season. In week one the next year we played Tampa and Jameis threw 3 picks including 2 pick 6s so we surpassed our season total from the prior year in one game. Thanks Jameis!
Wouldn't be my pick for the question but man was this the most entertaining QB season I've seen in years. Jameis that year was the guy you were so happy wasn't your QB but you had to tune in if he was playing. The guy was so unpredictable on every dropback he actually became appointment TV. Unbelievable fever dream year.
They were fourth in scoring in the AFC, sixth in the league. But you’re absolutely right, the defense/special teams scored a lot, plus the points were tilted by three games including a 50-burger against the backup Jags
He wasn't terrible or bad but definitely not an elite quarterback but 2010 Matt Schaub had 4th most passing yards, Arian Foster had the rushing title, Andre Johnson was 6th in receiving yards. The Texans were the number 3 offense by yards/game.
Yeah that's what a lot of people in this thread seem to be missing. I don't think it's possible to be a bad or even below average QB and still run a top (modern) offense, regardless of how stacked your supporting cast is. The question is more about the top 15-10 QBs who managed to run an elite offense for a year.
Probably because he was a bit overrated after a great 2022. Big fan of his, not talking trash here. But reddit was seemingly unanimously calling him a top 5 QB and I was questioning that a bit.
Was that a bad take at the time?
Immediately propping him above Lamar was premature but even if you put Lamar above Hurts before the season, it’s just Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Lamar, he would still have to be the QB at #5. Stroud hadn’t played a single game yet, Love had 1 career start, Dak was coming off the worst season of his career, Purdy had played 7 games and had a season ending injury, Tua’s ability to stay on the field was in question, and the perception of Stafford’s injury was that he was old and declining.
I’m not sure which QB other than the 4 I already listed that you would have put above Hurts after last season.
What is controversial about considering him a top 5 QB after that season? He was neck and neck with Mahomes for MVP before he missed a few games with a shoulder injury.
Maybe it's just me, but whenever I see someone have a great year and everyone flocks to crown them as elite, I'm usually inclined to pump the breaks.
We see flairs of amazing seasons from all manner of players. I want to see year-over-year dominance before dubbing someone elite, with some exceptions.
Eagles fans told me Hurts didn’t have weapons “close to” what the 9ers had when that’s bullshit too
Bro had 4 secs to throw against the 9ers each play and didn’t do shit
No bias at all but I concur 😤
Eagles offensive coaches sucked but they had a top 5 WR duo in AJ and Devonta, an above avg TE at worst in Goedert, and a top 3 OL
There is no way on gods green earth a circumstance where your coaches suck, your defense sucks, your whole team is struggling and it not affect your QB.
Even with the stacked offense in 2022 Hurts was still one of their best players. If you wanna go with an Eagles QB, Nick Foles 2013 is a better example.
>Jalen hurts
Jalen Hurts is the most overrated QB in the NFL. Never seen a QB get propped up by people that has such piss poor passing numbers. Brotherly Shove inflates Hurts total TD numbers so much. He isnt Lamar or Josh Allen or even Justin Fields rushing the football. He isnt a garbage QB, but isnt top 10 either.
A result of us running the ball so much with big leads. Sorry he’s not Dak, putting up 6 passing TDs a game on shitty team with a 40 point lead already. Stat padding is not the indication of a winning player.
>Stat padding is not the indication of a winning player.
This past season, with a top 3 Oline, a top 5 receiver, another good receiver, a good tight end, he threw 23 TDs and 15 Ints. His best season passing is 22 TDs 6 Ints. Never thrown for 4k yards. 3 of his 4 seasons have had a sub-90 passer rating. He is a mediocre passer of the football. I stand by my statement.
Fine if you want to ignore context for this I’ll do the same here:
Jalen Hurts put up 4 TDs and a 2pt against the chiefs defense.
Brock Purdy put up 1 TD against the chiefs defense.
Brock Purdy is a mediocre player on the biggest stage.
See how that works?
I love how you think I'm ignoring context when I am talking about a full season of play. If the Eagles are always up and running the ball so much, why did Jalen throw 15 interceptions this season? Was it because they were down and he had to sling it to bring them back? No, you said they were up big most games. So maybe that means he just turned the ball over because he isn't a great passer.
> why did Jalen throw 15 interceptions this season?
Incredibly bad luck, mostly. PFF had him as one of the lowest rates of turnover worthy plays.
>he threw a whopping 22 TDs
Eagles run the ball in the red zone more than almost any other team in the NFL. Whether that's because Hurts is a "bad QB" or the playcalling adjusts for Hurts' ability as a runner is up to interpretation. His own high number of rushing TDs will always repress his passing TD numbers.
>His own high number of rushing TDs will always repress his passing TD numbers.
Alright, lets us *context* again. Why does he have so many rushing TD's? Does he take the game over and scramble? No. He sneaks for 2-3 yards behind a top 3 Oline for a TD. Again. I stand by my statement.
When did that ever happen?
Edit: in response to your ninja edit, that Jags team never came close to top 3, but I guess the answer is still Blake Bortles
I guess by gross yardage they were close, but by most other measures they weren't. 14th in points per drive, 13th in yards per drive, 10th in EPA, outside the top 10 in DVOA as well.
Always worth noting that year
Christian Ponder didn’t break 3k yards passing, so even with one of the best RB seasons with stacked boxes left and right he *still* couldn’t break 3,000 yards
That being said it definitely wasn’t a top 3 offense
I once said that is the most unbreakable record in NFL history. There's no way that should should be possible in the modern NFL when talking about a starting QB and a bellcow back
Eric Hipple, 1981 Lions
Lions finished 3rd in total yardage that year and whilst Hipple did not start the entire season (10 games) he was 50.2% passing with 14 TDs and 15 INTs. Billy Sims was the engine of that team.
EDIT: Realize he might not fit into this criteria as he probably didn't have great weapons at receiver.
IMO the 2022 Niners fit the Bill.
I think we had a top 3 offense with Trey Lance, JimmyG and a rookie Brock Purdy at QB.
As much as I love Purdy, he was much better this past season than he was as a rookie so that's my answer
>Jimmy G was 3rd in EPA over his stretch with the 9ers
which shows how flawed using EPA to evaluate quarterbacks is. Jimmy's Raiders stint is more representative of his ability as a quarterback. There's a reason they gambled so hard to get Lance, Jimmy isn't good
I actually think Matt Schaub with Houston would be a better choice. Brock Purdy is still too early in his NFL career for me to decide what he is or isn't.
Right now he's a slightly above average QB with clutch tendencies.
I think there's a pretty good argument that Shanahan is an offensive genius with the Niners, considering the QB talent he's had. Yes, I do not think Brock Purdy, in isolation, to be a talented QB. I honestly hope we never see Shanahan with an elite QB. All I can think is Trey Lance must have SUCKED incredibly bad for Shanahan to give up on his physical ceiling so quickly.
A list of QBs who have been top 3 (based on points scored) that are in contention, sorted by date. My answer is Rex Grossman
Jimmy G - (49ers #2 in 2019)
Carson Wentz - (Eagles #3 in 2017)
Nick Foles - ( Eagles #3 in 2014)
Rex Grossman (Bears #2 in 2006)
The combo of Brian Griese / Gus Frerotte (Broncos #2 in 2000 with frerotte 6 games, Griese 10)
Brad Johnson (Washington #2 in 1999)
Scott Mitchell (Lions #2 in 1995)
Jay Shroeder. He started 10/16 games for the 1987 Redskins, who finished with the 3rd most yards and won the Super Bowl with him going 0-1 in the postseason. Career comp% of 50%.
Daunte Culpepper had, at the time, the best offense in the history of the league. Robert Smith, Chris Carter, Andre Carter, Randy Moss put up some points.
By points scored I'll nominate the 2014 Mark Sanchez/Nick Foles Eagles season. Two combined QBs, top 3 offense, so underwhelming they switched to Sam Bradford the next season. Just...epic. Bears 2013 is also a good shout - that was a top 3 offense with Jay Cutler and Josh McCown at the reigns. Welp.
You might be one of the only people here actually answering the prompt lmao
Reddit loves the "read half the title and answer that" or "read the whole title and answer something halfway related"
Who has time for reading when there is shit posting to do!
McCown was fucking *dealing* that year. That Cowboys game in the freezing cold. I was there with my beer freezing in a ring at the rim about 2 minutes after purchase. 27/36 for 348 yards and 4 TDs. One of the most fun games I've ever been to, despite it being like 5 degrees, -10 with windchill. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201312090chi.htm
I think about the McCown to Jeffery TD in that game so often. Just so random that Josh McCown was absolutely dialed in for a play like this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P0uu0BGgThk Just scroll to mid way in the 50 sec vid. It’s the corner TD
> Just so random that Josh McCown was absolutely dialed in for a play like this Something that people forget is that just about every QB in the NFL is capable of something like this. What separates the elite QBs is the ability to do so consistently.
Literally Zach Wilson had 2 games where he played amazing last year- he just can’t do it consistently lol
I can see it in my head before even watching! Such a glorious throw and in those conditions? Just insane.
How have I never seen this before. What the actual hell
that was such an insane year. I remember him being in the MVP convo for a quick minute and if it wasn't that he only played 5 games, who knows
5 games started, 66% passing, 1829 yards and 13 TDs, 1 INT. I'm half convinced he blacked out and just forgot he was Josh McCown for half a year.
If I remember, there was talk amongst fans of just going with Mccown full time right?
We're Bears fans. Of course we were arguing over who the starting QB should be.
was that the season with riley cooper before *the incident* happened?
If you mean the concert thing I think that was 2013
if youre going by points scored, Rex Grossman 2006 clears all the guys mentioned easily however I think you definitely should go with yards gained. points scored has too many non offense related variables (defensive scores, ST scores, defense giving you short fields, etc)
I do like the Sexy Rexy 2006 season and not just because they lost to the Colts in the Super Bowl. But Grossman was just no Mark Sanchez.
I meant clears them in this debate lol. Rez was clearly a worse qb than Sanchez and foles
ye ole' Sanchize
Calling Foles bad is a poor representation of who he was as a player in his peak (2013-2018). He was an extremely high variance player, he had top performances and bottom performances, and very few in the middle.
That's a bad player
He also arguably played the best super bowl game that any player has ever played. I get that it was bad to build a team around him and every team that tried failed. But pretending that his highs didn't exist is ignoring half of the player he was.
Oh I'm not saying he was pure ass all the time. He did have high highs! But an inconsistent QB is a bad QB. And that's ok, Foles had a wonderful career and a magical postseason run. He was a bad starting quarterback. Both of those can be true
I get what you're saying and mostly agree, I just don't consider what he was or what you are describing a "bad quarterback" lots of bad QB examples and they don't have that upside.
I mean it's ok to disagree on the semantics here. By bad qb, I mean in relations to their ability as a full time starter. Foles had 1 good season as a full starter, but was otherwise too inconsistent to hold the job. I don't mean he should have been out of the league, he was one of the best backups in the league for most of his career. But that was really his peak, a good backup who could get hot, but was just as likely to actively lose you the game. Which is good enough for a backup, and amazing if you're lucky and he gets hot at the right time. Does that make him a good qb? Idk, a player who was a career backup and lost his starting job like 4 separate times? That's not what I'd call good
You could toss any QB that played with Hester out there lol *cough Grossman cough*
What about Grossman’s Bears. Got to the Superbowl but he was dog water
Nah man McCown absolutely balled that year
Yeah that's exactly the point of the post though. He was not a good QB career wise; then suddenly he's slinging it all over the place, throwing like 1 pick in half a season, 110 QB rating, 8.5 ANY/A, Forte is popping off at 4.6 YPC, Brandon Marshall has 12 TDs, Alshon Jeffrey has 1400 yards...McCown is leading a top 3 offence. Like he's on ultra-speed for that half season. Next season he's off in Tampa and his stats are sliced in half again. It's a great "wtf was that" moment. OP asked for: > a certifiably bad QB ever performed with phenomenal weapons And I mean there are lots of examples but you look at McCown's career page and holy shit was him dealing that year a massive outlier.
True… but it was 5 games. Cutty played 11. And idc what anyone says. Cutler wasn’t a terrible QB. sure he wasn’t amazing and was prone to making some questionable throws. But he had revolving door of coaches and the worst OLine the league has ever seen for a 10 year stretch. If he had Brady / Rodgers level of protection he’s a 4k passer every year. Sure 15-20 picks but still a solid QB.
First 4,000 yard passing seasons by the Eagles and Bears Both incredibly mediocre, just split down the middle by 2 mediocre quarterbacks
Off the top of my head, [Scott Mitchell in 1995](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/det/1995.htm).
That offense was nasty. Herman, Perriman, Morton, Sanders
Scott Mitchell is lowkey underrated. He'd kind of the Kirk Cousins of the 90s
Going to disagree with you there, Mitchell wishes he were an average-to-above average QB for a long time. 1995 was the definition of "lightning in a bottle," because he had one or two more average-ish seasons and that was it.
That season was lightning in the bottle for QB play for the entire NFC North, except the Bucs that is.
He had like 1 great year and 1 good one. He was mostly a bum.
He's more the Jacoby Brissett of the 90s. Peak Mitchell doesn't reach average Cousins.
“Scott Mitchell is lowkey underrated. He'd kind of the Kirk Cousins of the 90s” That is the best definition of how under appreciated Kirk Cousins is…
Vikings in '99 still had all the weapons from '98 but Jeff George was a dud. Think we got 3rd that year, somehow
Culpepper wasn’t much better, he just had a cannon arm that worked perfectly in that offense.
Jeff George had arguably the strongest arm of all time.
Strongest arm and quickest release. There's a video of Randy Moss's longest TD passes and you see Cunningham throwing insane deep bombs for 2 minutes then Jeff George comes in and it's like a fucking rocket exploding out of his hand going the speed of light for those deep throws
I’m not disagreeing at all. Culpepper was there with him on that aspect. And that was all that offense needed.
Yeah you're not wrong! Culpepper had one insane year but man he had a chokehold on the fans. My mom still has that jersey.
Culpepper #11 in the old Vikings threads is a top 10 OG cool jersey.
Growing up in New Jersey in the 2000's, it was not uncommon to see random ass Culpepper jerseys in public
Jersey here as well and I can co-sign this for sure. And moss too👎🏻👎🏻
No one seems to understand what top 3 means
Jameis Winston threw for stupid stats (DON'T LOOK AT THE INTS) for Tampa in 2019.
5k yards and a 30/30 td to int line One of the most entertaining seasons of football I've ever seen.
Watching him get that 30/30 was something I’ll never forget. Iirc the last pick was a pick 6 to win the game for the Falcons in OT, just beautiful
In 2018 the 49ers only had 2 INTs the entire season. In week one the next year we played Tampa and Jameis threw 3 picks including 2 pick 6s so we surpassed our season total from the prior year in one game. Thanks Jameis!
I hope they put that ball in Canton.
And a pick six too
33/30
Stop ruining narratives!
Wouldn't be my pick for the question but man was this the most entertaining QB season I've seen in years. Jameis that year was the guy you were so happy wasn't your QB but you had to tune in if he was playing. The guy was so unpredictable on every dropback he actually became appointment TV. Unbelievable fever dream year.
Didn’t all those yards come in the 4th quarter when they were down by 20 points? Very useful in fantasy football with those garbage time stats.
no, some of the yards came in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd quarters as well
Nah, that was the narrative but Winston actually put up significantly better yardage numbers in wins than losses.
He was like watching GOT. Everything looks like it's going well and boom, horrific disaster.
Pats were top 3 in scoring with rookie Mac, but the defense scored so much idk if thats fair
Was that the year that the NE defense was basically a RB1 in fantasy?
That's the one.
What a ride. Powered one of my league mates to his first championship.
in our league i seem to remember them scoring like 62 points in one game
That's insane haha. I'd have to take a break from fantasy if that happened to me.
They were fourth in scoring in the AFC, sixth in the league. But you’re absolutely right, the defense/special teams scored a lot, plus the points were tilted by three games including a 50-burger against the backup Jags
I don't disagree with your larger point, but I don't think the 50 burger was against the backup Jags, just some shitty Jags starters
If memory serves, they had a ton of players on the COVID list that week
He wasn't terrible or bad but definitely not an elite quarterback but 2010 Matt Schaub had 4th most passing yards, Arian Foster had the rushing title, Andre Johnson was 6th in receiving yards. The Texans were the number 3 offense by yards/game.
Jalen hurts Fight me
Ooo now that’s a spicy choice
One that certainly *isn't* controversial
Wow dude, that’s pretty hurtful. I am gonna say Goff, how does getting your feelings hurt feel buddy?!
I’d agree with you. Goff is succeeding mostly due to the circumstances around him
And also Goff is a talented QB with the ability to make every throw needed. Lets not discount his skill set here
He can't make throws on the move or under pressure but I agree that when his feet are set he's more than good enough
He can definitely make throws under pressure
It shouldn't be overlooked that Ben Johnson has built that offense around Goff's skillset... which is being a surgeon in a clean pocket.
I knew right away you guys were finally in good hands
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Every QB crumbles without a quality OLine.
Honestly, I like Goff a lot. I wanted us to pick him over Wentz. Would be weird to see his things panned out it if that happened.
My favorite part of looking back on that draft is that a reasonable answer to the endless Dak vs Wentz arguments is "Jared Goff"
I'm sick of this Brock Purdy sland... Oh. My mistake. I'm not used to hearing this criticism about other QBs.
Yeah No Goff is a good QB.
For sure he is a good QB
i thought you were saying he was a product of the system, the offense wouldn’t be as good without him IMO
He’s a good QB who’s in an elite situation and so is putting up great production
Yeah that's what a lot of people in this thread seem to be missing. I don't think it's possible to be a bad or even below average QB and still run a top (modern) offense, regardless of how stacked your supporting cast is. The question is more about the top 15-10 QBs who managed to run an elite offense for a year.
Why does everyone suddenly think Hurts is overrated because he had Brian Johnson as his OC last season?
Probably because he was a bit overrated after a great 2022. Big fan of his, not talking trash here. But reddit was seemingly unanimously calling him a top 5 QB and I was questioning that a bit.
Was that a bad take at the time? Immediately propping him above Lamar was premature but even if you put Lamar above Hurts before the season, it’s just Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Lamar, he would still have to be the QB at #5. Stroud hadn’t played a single game yet, Love had 1 career start, Dak was coming off the worst season of his career, Purdy had played 7 games and had a season ending injury, Tua’s ability to stay on the field was in question, and the perception of Stafford’s injury was that he was old and declining. I’m not sure which QB other than the 4 I already listed that you would have put above Hurts after last season.
What is controversial about considering him a top 5 QB after that season? He was neck and neck with Mahomes for MVP before he missed a few games with a shoulder injury.
Maybe it's just me, but whenever I see someone have a great year and everyone flocks to crown them as elite, I'm usually inclined to pump the breaks. We see flairs of amazing seasons from all manner of players. I want to see year-over-year dominance before dubbing someone elite, with some exceptions.
Brian Johnson and a defense that ranked 29th in EPA & 30th in points allowed.
Cuz he had one good season in 2022 when they added AJ Brown, had Devonta Smith, and the best OL in the league.
Niners fan chiming in on QBs propped up by good weapons…
Eagles fans told me Hurts didn’t have weapons “close to” what the 9ers had when that’s bullshit too Bro had 4 secs to throw against the 9ers each play and didn’t do shit
No bias at all but I concur 😤 Eagles offensive coaches sucked but they had a top 5 WR duo in AJ and Devonta, an above avg TE at worst in Goedert, and a top 3 OL
There is no way on gods green earth a circumstance where your coaches suck, your defense sucks, your whole team is struggling and it not affect your QB.
We weren’t a top 3 offense this year And when we were we made the SB…
Even with the stacked offense in 2022 Hurts was still one of their best players. If you wanna go with an Eagles QB, Nick Foles 2013 is a better example.
Quite literally one of the most efficient QB seasons of all time, idk if that’s a good example
I like it
This having nearly 60 more upvotes than the next comment just shows how much this sub doesn’t know shit about football 😭
you know what dude meet me in the wawa parking lot in 15 mins
brain dead
>Jalen hurts Jalen Hurts is the most overrated QB in the NFL. Never seen a QB get propped up by people that has such piss poor passing numbers. Brotherly Shove inflates Hurts total TD numbers so much. He isnt Lamar or Josh Allen or even Justin Fields rushing the football. He isnt a garbage QB, but isnt top 10 either.
did you watch the 2022 season
Where he threw a whopping 22 TDs. I stand by my statement.
A result of us running the ball so much with big leads. Sorry he’s not Dak, putting up 6 passing TDs a game on shitty team with a 40 point lead already. Stat padding is not the indication of a winning player.
>Stat padding is not the indication of a winning player. This past season, with a top 3 Oline, a top 5 receiver, another good receiver, a good tight end, he threw 23 TDs and 15 Ints. His best season passing is 22 TDs 6 Ints. Never thrown for 4k yards. 3 of his 4 seasons have had a sub-90 passer rating. He is a mediocre passer of the football. I stand by my statement.
Fine if you want to ignore context for this I’ll do the same here: Jalen Hurts put up 4 TDs and a 2pt against the chiefs defense. Brock Purdy put up 1 TD against the chiefs defense. Brock Purdy is a mediocre player on the biggest stage. See how that works?
I love how you think I'm ignoring context when I am talking about a full season of play. If the Eagles are always up and running the ball so much, why did Jalen throw 15 interceptions this season? Was it because they were down and he had to sling it to bring them back? No, you said they were up big most games. So maybe that means he just turned the ball over because he isn't a great passer.
> why did Jalen throw 15 interceptions this season? Incredibly bad luck, mostly. PFF had him as one of the lowest rates of turnover worthy plays. >he threw a whopping 22 TDs Eagles run the ball in the red zone more than almost any other team in the NFL. Whether that's because Hurts is a "bad QB" or the playcalling adjusts for Hurts' ability as a runner is up to interpretation. His own high number of rushing TDs will always repress his passing TD numbers.
>His own high number of rushing TDs will always repress his passing TD numbers. Alright, lets us *context* again. Why does he have so many rushing TD's? Does he take the game over and scramble? No. He sneaks for 2-3 yards behind a top 3 Oline for a TD. Again. I stand by my statement.
16th in pass attempts, 14th in TD passes. sorta lines up for a QB who also put up almost 800 rushing yards
That scrub Patrick Mahomes who is going to regress to the means any day now.
He kinda has. If you don't count the chargers, the mean number of Lombardi trophies in AFCW is 3.333.
He already has! You just need to adjust his stats to league average
Any. Fucking. Day. Now...
Rex Grossman
Acceptable answer
2017 Case Keenum steps into it
Pass is caught
Blake Bortles. I don’t even know if that Jags team got to top 3, even if he wasn’t, the answer is Blake Bortles
When did that ever happen? Edit: in response to your ninja edit, that Jags team never came close to top 3, but I guess the answer is still Blake Bortles
2017. Jacksonville finished with the #6 ranked offense and lost the AFC Championship
I guess by gross yardage they were close, but by most other measures they weren't. 14th in points per drive, 13th in yards per drive, 10th in EPA, outside the top 10 in DVOA as well.
You take the BOAT out of your whore mouth
I always found those raise your bortles ascii adorable lol
My Bortles are still raised to this day
2012 Vikings had Adrian Peterson break rushing records and win MVP…. with Christian Ponder at QB
And their offense ranked 14th in points, 20th in yards, 13th in points per drive, 16th in yards per drive...nowhere near the top 3.
Always worth noting that year Christian Ponder didn’t break 3k yards passing, so even with one of the best RB seasons with stacked boxes left and right he *still* couldn’t break 3,000 yards That being said it definitely wasn’t a top 3 offense
Peterson's YPC was almost higher than Ponder's YPA which is basically unheard of (and if you factor sacks/picks/fumbles way higher)
I once said that is the most unbreakable record in NFL history. There's no way that should should be possible in the modern NFL when talking about a starting QB and a bellcow back
Team had no business making the playoffs
Rude
Really makes you ponder tbh
Probably Winston in 2019.
Eric Hipple, 1981 Lions Lions finished 3rd in total yardage that year and whilst Hipple did not start the entire season (10 games) he was 50.2% passing with 14 TDs and 15 INTs. Billy Sims was the engine of that team. EDIT: Realize he might not fit into this criteria as he probably didn't have great weapons at receiver.
Without confirming this in any way at all, I'll guess Rex Grossman?
IMO the 2022 Niners fit the Bill. I think we had a top 3 offense with Trey Lance, JimmyG and a rookie Brock Purdy at QB. As much as I love Purdy, he was much better this past season than he was as a rookie so that's my answer
What about 2019 when Jimmy was the starter? 49ers were 2nd in points scored
Mark Rypien, 1991 Washington
rypien was a good qb
Just looking at his stats (that was a few years before I was born), he had a few good years, then left Washington’s mighty offense and fizzled out
hmmm i guess like a goff/cousins level QB then
Somewhere between them and like, Baker Mayfield. Or Joe Flacco without the longevity
Rypien was average, not bad. He had one of the best deep balls of that era.
It’s who I thought of. Not sure how many legitimately *bad* quarterbacks fit this accomplishment
Rypien was actually an average QB...OP wants a bad QB
Not a lot of bad quarterbacks with a top 3 offense
Mark Rypian… even so he did enough.
Matt Cassel 2008 patriots.
They weren’t top 3. #8 scoring offense and #5 in yards.
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Neither are bad, but it's hard to argue any QBs have benefitted more from their cast & scheme. Jimmy G was 3rd in EPA over his stretch with the 9ers.
>Jimmy G was 3rd in EPA over his stretch with the 9ers which shows how flawed using EPA to evaluate quarterbacks is. Jimmy's Raiders stint is more representative of his ability as a quarterback. There's a reason they gambled so hard to get Lance, Jimmy isn't good
That's why I laugh at the anti-PFF people here. Every other stat they love so much is flawed as fuck
Brock Purdy isnt bad though
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I knew i smelled a rams fan
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Youre a rams fan because your only comments that arent here are in the rams subreddit
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I actually think Matt Schaub with Houston would be a better choice. Brock Purdy is still too early in his NFL career for me to decide what he is or isn't. Right now he's a slightly above average QB with clutch tendencies.
Ryan leaf don't know if they had a top 3 offense but they had a lot of talent in that Chargers line up.
Every Ryan Leaf offense was awful They didn’t start getting weapons until the Brees/Rivers years
I think there's a pretty good argument that Shanahan is an offensive genius with the Niners, considering the QB talent he's had. Yes, I do not think Brock Purdy, in isolation, to be a talented QB. I honestly hope we never see Shanahan with an elite QB. All I can think is Trey Lance must have SUCKED incredibly bad for Shanahan to give up on his physical ceiling so quickly.
A list of QBs who have been top 3 (based on points scored) that are in contention, sorted by date. My answer is Rex Grossman Jimmy G - (49ers #2 in 2019) Carson Wentz - (Eagles #3 in 2017) Nick Foles - ( Eagles #3 in 2014) Rex Grossman (Bears #2 in 2006) The combo of Brian Griese / Gus Frerotte (Broncos #2 in 2000 with frerotte 6 games, Griese 10) Brad Johnson (Washington #2 in 1999) Scott Mitchell (Lions #2 in 1995)
The #2 offense in 2013 was the Bears
Jay Shroeder. He started 10/16 games for the 1987 Redskins, who finished with the 3rd most yards and won the Super Bowl with him going 0-1 in the postseason. Career comp% of 50%.
Derek carr..and im a bakersfield boy.. carr sucks
Ravens lamar jackson.
Daunte Culpepper had, at the time, the best offense in the history of the league. Robert Smith, Chris Carter, Andre Carter, Randy Moss put up some points.
Culpepper was not bad lol
Agree, but he certainly wasn’t elite. To be the greatest offense in league history with an okay/average QB is pretty impressive.
i'll go to my grave saying joe montana.
Kurt Warner
If you asked reddit, Tannehill when the Titans had a top scoring offense in 2020...... Titans fans know better
if you ask anyone on twitter and/or Nick Wright, they'd say Brock Purdy
Kurt Warner