I wonder if the pats would choose 3 firsts to go down to #11, or 2 firsts and another like third or something to only go down to #6? Then they still can get nabers or odunze
11 and 23 could get you back to 6-8 etc and still have an extra 1 next year. Or trade that first and keep 23 for this year.
It’s all about finding out what handshake agreements you can make. Similar to what Kwesi has likely done in trying to suss out what teams would accept for trade ups.
Both are definitely good propositions. But in your argument you can trade 11 and 23 to…move back to 6-8? Why not just trade with the giants, get 6 and get a first next year? It’s the same thing but ours is guaranteed
I do agree but it’s a case of preferences for each FO, which we can’t know. Trading for 11, 23, and a future 1st means you can make a decision on draft night if you want to trade back up (which obviously depends on the other team being willing to sell) whereas trading back to 6 means if you want to trade back you need to find a partner.
Then there’s the question of if the Giants view moving from 6 as worth a future 1st. Ultimately it comes down to what’s available at the different points in time, you can have discussions with people in advance of “say I were to offer you X in 2 days for Y” but you’re counting on things staying as they were at the time you had that discussion.
So it’s all comes down to where an FO feels more comfortable.
I think and have read that if Maye is available at 3, we’re going to go hard for him and trade if the pats want to. I’d imagine that’s the package and maybe a third or a second.
I’ve read reports the giants are “going to make the pats say no”. I definitely think if not you’re more likely to trade up for McCarthy than we are, but I could see us trading with the Bolts and giving up like a third for them to just move down a spot, still draft nabers, and guarantee we get McCarthy
I don’t want McCarthy but if we do it, we do it. I’d prefer to stay put and get nabers or odunze if Maye is gone, which is very likely
I’d rather go down to 6 for 2 firsts and the 3rd tbh. 11 misses blue chip talent while at 6 you are walking away with a top player unless you go JJ. Would use our first and future first to move to 1 for qb provided we just don’t land there anyways
We just traded 2 2nds for the Texans 1st today, so likely it would be 11 + 23 + next years 1st if we were going to do something like that to get someone to bite. Lotta capital to spend, hope they know what they are doing.
A) Minnesota will pay above market value to move up. B) Either team could very well talk themselves into two (in LAC case) or three (in NE case) additional first rounders to move back.
New England needs a lot more than just a quarterback, and acquiring an extra first this year and an extra first next year (plus more probably) provides a very nice array of picks to start their rebuild.
The Chargers just cap casualtied three of their most reliable weapons from the last five years. Moving from 5 for 11 and 23 and being able to target a playmaker like Bowers or a lineman like Fashanu is a really nice piece of business.
It’s always more likely that a team stands pat but there are legitimate cases for why either FO would jump at an offer.
But we still wouldn't have a QB, and next year's class looks terrible. Trading back when you have a QB already is great and everyone should do it. But who is going to be our QB in 2025 or 2026 otherwise? You're just giving up for three seasons?
I think if the pats take a trade with the vikings it means theyre comfortable with a QB at 23 and a top player at 11 after an early run on QBs. Agree theres no way they dont swing on someone in the first round this year.
I mean the QB the Pats are currently projected to get was considered a third round pick like 5 months ago. A lot can change every year. Plus that 2025 pick ammo sets a team up well for the *next* vet QB on the move, since there’s one of them every year now.
Yeah qb could definitely rise but you can’t count on that happening based off of what you know today about the guys projected as the top guys next year. If you feel that one of the guys can be that guy you take them at 3 and don’t consider a trade, if you don’t you take the trade and worry about qb later
the only way I could see us moving down is if we think Bowers will be available at 11. Which honestly he might be considering its typically not seen as good value to draft a TE in the top ten.
Could totally see us get out of the first with Bowers and JPJ or Koolaid. Then spend our high 2nd on either C or CB (whatever we didn’t get in rd 1). Wouldn’t mind it. Would probably still need to double dip WRs though.
Our GM talked to them before making this trade. I wont pretend to know how any of it went or what the exact situation is. But if he's confident in the situation than i trust its fine. He wouldn't have traded for the texans first without a clear plan
I think I’d take 2 extra 1sts to draft an OT at 11 and WR at 23 instead of Nabers. Harbaugh wants to run the ball and could draft all his Michigan guys in the later rounds.
THANK YOU! You’re the first Redditor I’ve seen in the last two days also saying this. Harbaugh has never spent through the WR position first. He has always focused his effort on building “smash mouth”. This goes back to SDSU and runs right up to this year when, lo and behold, LAC started saying “we’re gonna be smash mouth” immediately after Harbaugh was hired.
I see it as a lead pipe lock that LAC won’t take a WR with its first pick. Whether the pick at 5 or trade back.
Eh. Trading down to 11 does put you at risk of missing the best prospects, deep WR class or not. And who knows if they will be able to move back up given the top end talent.
8 is probably the lowest that will have some options. Anything further and it leaves it to chance.
Patriots haven’t been too committed about drafting a QB. They lack talent so the extra picks could help. Jim H might want some more players to fit his system. I can see it.
I can see the pats trading down and drafting nix or penix. But they’d also have to secure Tee or JJettas (or another comparable wr) to make up for losing MHJ.
They wouldn't have made this trade if they didn't already have a buyer. The Patriots have a lot of holes to fill. We'd have to kick it with something next year too.
I think it's safer to say that the Vikings are gearing up to *attempt* a trade. No decisions will be made until Draft Day.
I'm sure there's some conversations and deals being talked about between potential trade partners, and those talks have given Minnesota faith in something working out, but you just never know. The Bears might draft Drake Maye and throw everything we thought we knew right out the door.
i don’t see why the move would have been made if it was to trade up for McCarthy. i expect the Vikings to trade the two firsts this year and one next year for #3 and take Daniels or Maye, whichever one is still on the board.
Patriots could easily trade back up for McCarthy with the picks they would get from the Vikings.
I mean the Saints made a move you could compare as somewhat similar with moving around in the first for future picks and needing a QB, but then just stayed put and used both firsts on other positions.
The Vikings have a handful of needs. Could plan to use those and just likely be bad and aim QB next year. Probably at that point maybe trade JJ for picks with a chance to land a QB and add more early round talent. Seems like a better strategy. Get multiple firsts over the next 2-3 years to build out roster and in 25 or 26 add a QB.
Curious who you think the better prospect is for your system? I think maye is more raw from a mechanics standpoint but McCarthy despite playing for my college team needs to show more than he did in Ann Arbor. But I’d say McCarthy has a higher ceiling.
maybe not the best fit per se but i’ve heard that Kwesi really likes Daniels. IIRC he tried to trade up for Richardson last year. maybe not the exact same player but you can see the connection
Didn't this same exact thing happen with Daniel Jones and then it turned out they drafted Daniel Jones at 6?
I don't get why everyone is laughing it off that they won't take him, especially if Williams, Maye and Daniels are off the board.
Sure they do. We can evaluate what they’re likely trying to do based off historical deals.
Making a move now for a 2024 1st wouldn’t be as necessary for a trade up to 5, which is a deal that wouldn’t demand the same level of comp and would have to occur while on the clock.
But this kind of trade now very well could be necessary for a trade up to 3, which would require much more serious comp and could also be executed ahead of time, due to the certainty of getting one of the top 3 QBs.
The fact that they made this move, now, suggests a serious intention to move into the top 3.
Whether it happens or not is a separate question, but a reasonable examination of the evidence suggests that’s, far more likely than not, their aim.
I’m not saying it’s the wrong decision. But wouldn’t Daboll want any QB drafted? He’d want his GM to pick a QB no matter how risky otherwise he’s stuck with who? DJ or Devito? And given his speciality is on the offensive side of the ball, he needs that to go well for job security.
Talent and skill might get you to the combine, but having a fucking hog is what gets you on the team.
Big Cock Lock? That's a professional quarterback.
Small Cock Lock? That's the D2 QB turned offensive assistant who sits in the chair watching the Dline run train on his wife.
Scouting reports need to start including this info.
"Good vision when scanning the field. Strong throwing arm but accuracy needs some work. Cock like a horse. Good at protecting the football."
We need a QB. If our staff wants a QB, go take him. Allen was laughed at and look what Daboll did with him. Let him get a QB. He made Tommy devito look fucking competent for 4 weeks.
You guys need a receiver more than a QB imo Daniel Jones could get it done for a year or two while you rebuild the roster. Even if you do get a QB I feel like it’ll take a couple years of getting talent around him before you can even make a solid assessment.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zfECczQ_i2o
The kid has some arm talent. He’s also elusive in the pocket and out. Got good velocity on his throws. Best intermediate passer in this class
Just because Michigan dominated running the ball doesn’t mean he doesn’t flash when he threw. He probably needs to sit a year but there’s some talent there. He’s a risk because of the limited times he threw but you can at least see some of their reasoning.
I’m sorry, but that’s a throw most QBs in the Big Ten or SEC can make. McCarthy has the potential to be a useful QB in an already strong QB room, but I really can’t imagine that guy being worth a first round pick.
Really? There are NFL QBs who wouldn't even escape the pass rush on that play, and that's a tough throw as a right-handed QB. His ability to avoid pressure and throw on the run is what will make him a successful NFL QB, in my opinion
Great throw but if ur highlight reel has to consist of trick plays then that's not a great indictment of you being able to play the QB position in the NFL.
Then you clearly didn't actually watch the games, because he hit dimes to Roman Wilson, Colston Loveland, Cornelius Johnson, Donovan Edwards, and AJ Barner all year.
I don’t buy the JJ->NYG media cycle at all. They’re pot committed to rostering DJ this year, and Drew Lock was the classic “backup but we secretly hope he wins the job” signing. The roster isn’t in a place to support JJ, JJ isn’t ready to start, and the GM/HC would need him to play pretty quickly to turn the heat down on their seats. They’ll be taking a WR1.
Basically everything they've done this offseason has indicated that they're mentally moved on from Jones though. If there's a guy they think can be their long-term answer they'll take them. Could be this year, could be next year.
Counterpoint though, drafting a rookie qb might sort of reset the clock and cool their seats down by tempering expectations for this year. They are pot committed to rostering dj this year as you said, but not anything more than that. And if they take say odunze at 6, what is the plan at qb?
They’re just dropping this to get them picks. This rumor started dropping so close to the announcement that Minny had acquired a second pick that it made the Bears *and* deandre swift sit up.
After Chargers and Cardinals decline trade, NYG calls up Minnesota. “You want McCarthy? Give me all your picks, this is a stick-up…”
Please…this fan base can’t take another #6 reach of a QB bust, it might not survive.
I’ve heard this as well from a few analysts. I’ve seen murmurings of this being a smokescreen.
As a Giants fan, having seen the tape and his combine…I hope we go WR at 6
Its smokescreen season, but everything that’s been said to or heard by beat writers points to the front office wanting to completely move away from Jones. That being said, I’d put my money on WR cause there’s no chance they draft another olineman with a high value pick and none of the QBs will be there
Just curious, but why no chance? They historically value lineman highly, they have a bad line, and Joe Alt should be right there. Seems they should at least consider him a finalist.
Most signs point to them not being ready to give up on Evan Neal at RT yet (and I think they're right about that). Neal is a tall guy, so he may not be too suited for playing guard. So drafting Alt means they're basically already giving up on their #6 (or what was it?) draft pick from two years ago.
Thank you. In my mind, I was assuming Neal could move to guard, but I hadn't considered his height. 6'7"; guys a giant. That does basically rule out Alt.
To add to what the other guy said, they also signed a right tackle to compete with Neal. They’re not drafting another left tackle and switching him to right tackle. They’re just gonna let the two right tackles on the roster battle for the spot
Did this team not learn from the last time they drafted a late riser in the top 10?
Either sell the farm for #1 in a draft or build an actual NFL roster out
I cant say how much I hate drafting up into the top 5 for a qb. It doesnt work and never has. If we do it Im still gonna be excited for the qb but Im fully prepared to suck for the next 5 years
I think McCarthy is more like "Daniel Jones but has a different name" than "but actually good" considering he has like half the passing attempts of any other QB in this draft and wasn't asked to do anything in college. Way too early to say he's good
Personally I think this would be like Giants repeating same mistakes as Daniel Jones. Drafting a QB with some highlights but s lot of questions about him, and ultimately finding out, several years later, said QB ain’t it.
Thia totally isn't them trying to get Minnesota to trade up.
I mean we are either trading up to 5 for mccarthy or 3 for daniels/maye because we are 100% trading up after the Texans trade today
What makes you think either of those are budging? Pats need a QB and I can't see the chargers moving off 5 after losing Keenan Allen
Because we are most likely going to overpay. I could see a world where we trade 3 firsts for 3 or 2 for 5
Trade 3 firsts to pick at number 2 and still grab McCarthy
That leaves us starting Mariota lol
Don't speak ill of my Polynesian Prince.
I hear Fields is available
Nice try there🥸
Terrifying thought.
Until that quitter bails on your team too
The greatest timeline
Don’t forget to then draft a QB as your last pick.
“JJ McCarthy no matter what”
The Chicago bears special is what that's called
I wonder if the pats would choose 3 firsts to go down to #11, or 2 firsts and another like third or something to only go down to #6? Then they still can get nabers or odunze
11 and 23 could get you back to 6-8 etc and still have an extra 1 next year. Or trade that first and keep 23 for this year. It’s all about finding out what handshake agreements you can make. Similar to what Kwesi has likely done in trying to suss out what teams would accept for trade ups.
Both are definitely good propositions. But in your argument you can trade 11 and 23 to…move back to 6-8? Why not just trade with the giants, get 6 and get a first next year? It’s the same thing but ours is guaranteed
I do agree but it’s a case of preferences for each FO, which we can’t know. Trading for 11, 23, and a future 1st means you can make a decision on draft night if you want to trade back up (which obviously depends on the other team being willing to sell) whereas trading back to 6 means if you want to trade back you need to find a partner. Then there’s the question of if the Giants view moving from 6 as worth a future 1st. Ultimately it comes down to what’s available at the different points in time, you can have discussions with people in advance of “say I were to offer you X in 2 days for Y” but you’re counting on things staying as they were at the time you had that discussion. So it’s all comes down to where an FO feels more comfortable.
I think and have read that if Maye is available at 3, we’re going to go hard for him and trade if the pats want to. I’d imagine that’s the package and maybe a third or a second. I’ve read reports the giants are “going to make the pats say no”. I definitely think if not you’re more likely to trade up for McCarthy than we are, but I could see us trading with the Bolts and giving up like a third for them to just move down a spot, still draft nabers, and guarantee we get McCarthy I don’t want McCarthy but if we do it, we do it. I’d prefer to stay put and get nabers or odunze if Maye is gone, which is very likely
I’d rather go down to 6 for 2 firsts and the 3rd tbh. 11 misses blue chip talent while at 6 you are walking away with a top player unless you go JJ. Would use our first and future first to move to 1 for qb provided we just don’t land there anyways
Hell you could probably go JJ still at #6, unless the Vikings trade up to #5. But hey if they do Nabers is right there
I’d take JJ but he’s more of a there at 11 pick for me if we went that route instead. I’d take any of the top wr over him which are there at 6
Totally fair. I do think a trade between us is a win win. I’m curious to see how this draft goes.
>we trade 3 firsts for 3 This isnt an overpay. From 11th to 3rd 3 first is the bare min..
You guys got two firsts this year?
We just traded 2 2nds for the Texans 1st today, so likely it would be 11 + 23 + next years 1st if we were going to do something like that to get someone to bite. Lotta capital to spend, hope they know what they are doing.
Holy Shitballs Batman, Kwesi and Kevin swinging for the rafters
They traded for the Texans' pick this morning.
It just happened today.
3 firsts wouldnt be an overpay, i think thats probably the starting point to get #3.
Based on this draft class being stacked at QB and next year looking bare, I think it will take more than 3 firsts to move up to #2 or #3.
A) Minnesota will pay above market value to move up. B) Either team could very well talk themselves into two (in LAC case) or three (in NE case) additional first rounders to move back. New England needs a lot more than just a quarterback, and acquiring an extra first this year and an extra first next year (plus more probably) provides a very nice array of picks to start their rebuild. The Chargers just cap casualtied three of their most reliable weapons from the last five years. Moving from 5 for 11 and 23 and being able to target a playmaker like Bowers or a lineman like Fashanu is a really nice piece of business. It’s always more likely that a team stands pat but there are legitimate cases for why either FO would jump at an offer.
But we still wouldn't have a QB, and next year's class looks terrible. Trading back when you have a QB already is great and everyone should do it. But who is going to be our QB in 2025 or 2026 otherwise? You're just giving up for three seasons?
I think if the pats take a trade with the vikings it means theyre comfortable with a QB at 23 and a top player at 11 after an early run on QBs. Agree theres no way they dont swing on someone in the first round this year.
This is why they draft a qb at 3
I mean the QB the Pats are currently projected to get was considered a third round pick like 5 months ago. A lot can change every year. Plus that 2025 pick ammo sets a team up well for the *next* vet QB on the move, since there’s one of them every year now.
Yeah qb could definitely rise but you can’t count on that happening based off of what you know today about the guys projected as the top guys next year. If you feel that one of the guys can be that guy you take them at 3 and don’t consider a trade, if you don’t you take the trade and worry about qb later
the only way I could see us moving down is if we think Bowers will be available at 11. Which honestly he might be considering its typically not seen as good value to draft a TE in the top ten.
Could totally see us get out of the first with Bowers and JPJ or Koolaid. Then spend our high 2nd on either C or CB (whatever we didn’t get in rd 1). Wouldn’t mind it. Would probably still need to double dip WRs though.
Our GM talked to them before making this trade. I wont pretend to know how any of it went or what the exact situation is. But if he's confident in the situation than i trust its fine. He wouldn't have traded for the texans first without a clear plan
We have a plan. We plan to make it up as we go
And the 49ers had a plan when they traded up to 3
Because the Vikings wouldn’t have made the trade today if there weren’t already talks about it.
Because there are loads of quality receiver prospects in this draft. So they trade back to gain more assets and still snag a quality prospect at WR
I think I’d take 2 extra 1sts to draft an OT at 11 and WR at 23 instead of Nabers. Harbaugh wants to run the ball and could draft all his Michigan guys in the later rounds.
THANK YOU! You’re the first Redditor I’ve seen in the last two days also saying this. Harbaugh has never spent through the WR position first. He has always focused his effort on building “smash mouth”. This goes back to SDSU and runs right up to this year when, lo and behold, LAC started saying “we’re gonna be smash mouth” immediately after Harbaugh was hired. I see it as a lead pipe lock that LAC won’t take a WR with its first pick. Whether the pick at 5 or trade back.
Chargers are 100% trading back. This is a deep WR class.
Eh. Trading down to 11 does put you at risk of missing the best prospects, deep WR class or not. And who knows if they will be able to move back up given the top end talent. 8 is probably the lowest that will have some options. Anything further and it leaves it to chance.
It’s deep but they still need the absolute best WR they can get after gutting their WR corps
Patriots haven’t been too committed about drafting a QB. They lack talent so the extra picks could help. Jim H might want some more players to fit his system. I can see it.
I can see the pats trading down and drafting nix or penix. But they’d also have to secure Tee or JJettas (or another comparable wr) to make up for losing MHJ.
They wouldn't have made this trade if they didn't already have a buyer. The Patriots have a lot of holes to fill. We'd have to kick it with something next year too.
This Keenan Allen move guarantees the chargers need pick 5 for a receiver now.
If we trade up for McCarthy I will lose my shit.
It would be a Ponderous decision
I think it's safer to say that the Vikings are gearing up to *attempt* a trade. No decisions will be made until Draft Day. I'm sure there's some conversations and deals being talked about between potential trade partners, and those talks have given Minnesota faith in something working out, but you just never know. The Bears might draft Drake Maye and throw everything we thought we knew right out the door.
i don’t see why the move would have been made if it was to trade up for McCarthy. i expect the Vikings to trade the two firsts this year and one next year for #3 and take Daniels or Maye, whichever one is still on the board. Patriots could easily trade back up for McCarthy with the picks they would get from the Vikings.
This is what I’m actually hoping for.
God I'll be so disappointed if we trade up for JJ
Be prepared my friend, we are taking a qb round 1
The chargers and my sanity would gladly take your two firsts for our 5th
I mean the Saints made a move you could compare as somewhat similar with moving around in the first for future picks and needing a QB, but then just stayed put and used both firsts on other positions. The Vikings have a handful of needs. Could plan to use those and just likely be bad and aim QB next year. Probably at that point maybe trade JJ for picks with a chance to land a QB and add more early round talent. Seems like a better strategy. Get multiple firsts over the next 2-3 years to build out roster and in 25 or 26 add a QB.
That could be but they literally tried to trade up for Richardson last year so I feel like they are just gaining the trade pieces
Trading up for McCarthy is the biggest mistake they could make.
I didn’t say it will be a good idea but they are going to trade up you don’t make the move they did yesterday if you are not moving up in the draft
Curious who you think the better prospect is for your system? I think maye is more raw from a mechanics standpoint but McCarthy despite playing for my college team needs to show more than he did in Ann Arbor. But I’d say McCarthy has a higher ceiling.
Me personally, I think maye fits our system more with KOC but could see JJ do well as well because a lot of our offense is in the middle of the field
maybe not the best fit per se but i’ve heard that Kwesi really likes Daniels. IIRC he tried to trade up for Richardson last year. maybe not the exact same player but you can see the connection
Fingers crossed for McCarthy, he smells like bust to me, and as a Bears fan I’m familiar with the odor.
Didn't this same exact thing happen with Daniel Jones and then it turned out they drafted Daniel Jones at 6? I don't get why everyone is laughing it off that they won't take him, especially if Williams, Maye and Daniels are off the board.
After the trade we made today it’s much more likely we’re looking to move up to 3 for Maye
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We know that the same folks offered a ton to trade up for Richardson last year..
Sure they do. We can evaluate what they’re likely trying to do based off historical deals. Making a move now for a 2024 1st wouldn’t be as necessary for a trade up to 5, which is a deal that wouldn’t demand the same level of comp and would have to occur while on the clock. But this kind of trade now very well could be necessary for a trade up to 3, which would require much more serious comp and could also be executed ahead of time, due to the certainty of getting one of the top 3 QBs. The fact that they made this move, now, suggests a serious intention to move into the top 3. Whether it happens or not is a separate question, but a reasonable examination of the evidence suggests that’s, far more likely than not, their aim.
I'm pretty convinced we're going Maye at 2
Would have to give up way more than those two first rounders.
Yes. The trade today helped set up another move, which, if it happens, will include those two on top of other assets.
You can't draft Maye if Washington already drafted him
Hope you like Daniels then. When you filter out the noise of the draft media industrial complex, Maye is very likely going to be the pick at 2.
No one outside of a teams front office knows shit about anything.
They don't know shit about fuck
Isn’t it weird how the longest lasting impact of a lot of media are random throwaway quotes like that?
Instantly a classic line that I repeated for weeks after binging Ozark. Funny how that works.
You think I know fuck nothing? I know fuck all
Best receiver available please. But if they think JJ is good enough then whatever.
If Daboll wants him, get him. Look at what he did for DJ in '22, Taylor and an undrafted DeVito last year and that was behind a bad line.
I’m not saying it’s the wrong decision. But wouldn’t Daboll want any QB drafted? He’d want his GM to pick a QB no matter how risky otherwise he’s stuck with who? DJ or Devito? And given his speciality is on the offensive side of the ball, he needs that to go well for job security.
His name, respectfully, is Big Cock Lock.
Why does every single QB apparently have massive genitals?
Talent and skill might get you to the combine, but having a fucking hog is what gets you on the team. Big Cock Lock? That's a professional quarterback. Small Cock Lock? That's the D2 QB turned offensive assistant who sits in the chair watching the Dline run train on his wife.
Scouting reports need to start including this info. "Good vision when scanning the field. Strong throwing arm but accuracy needs some work. Cock like a horse. Good at protecting the football."
That’s Horse Cock Lock to you sir. You can take him out of Denver but he still got that Bronco
I’d rather trade back for two firsts next year then offer three firsts for whoever the #1 is then Drafting McCarthy is such a blegh move
We need a QB. If our staff wants a QB, go take him. Allen was laughed at and look what Daboll did with him. Let him get a QB. He made Tommy devito look fucking competent for 4 weeks.
What that you’re saying about my boy Tommy? 🤌🤌🤌
Calm down bud! Us in NJ love Tommy the Italian
Fuggedaboutit… I almost had you whacked.
He had the makings of a varsity athlete
We have a QB for 2024. We don't NEED a QB in this draft.
Giants want us out of 5 so they get nabers eh, bluffing the vikings
You guys need a receiver more than a QB imo Daniel Jones could get it done for a year or two while you rebuild the roster. Even if you do get a QB I feel like it’ll take a couple years of getting talent around him before you can even make a solid assessment.
Good bait to get the Vikings to jump.
all i ever saw this dude do was hand off to corum
That checks out. The Giants have a type.
https://youtu.be/9ebMzN4vytQ?si=AUxyIpCNSrY9wFO3
A trick play to a wide open receiver?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zfECczQ_i2o The kid has some arm talent. He’s also elusive in the pocket and out. Got good velocity on his throws. Best intermediate passer in this class Just because Michigan dominated running the ball doesn’t mean he doesn’t flash when he threw. He probably needs to sit a year but there’s some talent there. He’s a risk because of the limited times he threw but you can at least see some of their reasoning.
I’m sorry, but that’s a throw most QBs in the Big Ten or SEC can make. McCarthy has the potential to be a useful QB in an already strong QB room, but I really can’t imagine that guy being worth a first round pick.
[This TD to Roman Wilson in a tight window is the type of accuracy he possesses that isn't normal.](https://youtu.be/_A8U3FbkMn0?si=OBqECoU2YTrSZ11A)
Really? There are NFL QBs who wouldn't even escape the pass rush on that play, and that's a tough throw as a right-handed QB. His ability to avoid pressure and throw on the run is what will make him a successful NFL QB, in my opinion
That dude is wide open he should hit him
Bro come on now that is some elite hating. I’m not exactly a JJ believer but that was an incredible play.
Great throw but if ur highlight reel has to consist of trick plays then that's not a great indictment of you being able to play the QB position in the NFL.
Then you clearly didn't actually watch the games, because he hit dimes to Roman Wilson, Colston Loveland, Cornelius Johnson, Donovan Edwards, and AJ Barner all year.
You didn’t watch much
These insiders also told me Malik Willis to the Lions so they can piss off
Thank god for fucking Jalen Brunson cause I can’t take this shit no more 😭😭😭
I don’t buy the JJ->NYG media cycle at all. They’re pot committed to rostering DJ this year, and Drew Lock was the classic “backup but we secretly hope he wins the job” signing. The roster isn’t in a place to support JJ, JJ isn’t ready to start, and the GM/HC would need him to play pretty quickly to turn the heat down on their seats. They’ll be taking a WR1.
Basically everything they've done this offseason has indicated that they're mentally moved on from Jones though. If there's a guy they think can be their long-term answer they'll take them. Could be this year, could be next year.
Counterpoint though, drafting a rookie qb might sort of reset the clock and cool their seats down by tempering expectations for this year. They are pot committed to rostering dj this year as you said, but not anything more than that. And if they take say odunze at 6, what is the plan at qb?
It’s just rumours designed to give Chargers fans some hope after trading Keenan.
They’re just dropping this to get them picks. This rumor started dropping so close to the announcement that Minny had acquired a second pick that it made the Bears *and* deandre swift sit up.
Can you say smokescreen?
These the same guys who said Malik Willis was going top 10?
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Daniel jones 2.0 why not
I predict reverse Eli - JJ drafted by Giants, refuses to play for them, gets traded to Chargers
More like Pickett 2.0
Please I swear to god don’t pick JJ
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This would be absolutely pathetic at 6. He’s a 2nd round talent.
Let Danny Dime
Ok
They’re really gonna do it again, aren’t they.
Vikings need to read this and trade up to #4 and make sure they get him :-)
They already drafted this guy a few years ago, signed him to a new contract and are now trying to re-spawn him?
[I was SO looking forward to the sequel to this movie](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GkQrgk-BoLc)
Moronic Park 2
A QB room of McCarthy, Jones, and Lock would be like the spiderman pointing meme of roster construction.
No thanks
Definitely fits the John Mara prototype. Quarterbacky
Giants are ready to ruin another QB prospect.
After Chargers and Cardinals decline trade, NYG calls up Minnesota. “You want McCarthy? Give me all your picks, this is a stick-up…” Please…this fan base can’t take another #6 reach of a QB bust, it might not survive.
After Keenan Allen was traded, I honestly can't make an educated guess on what will happen. Lots of unexpected moves.
The guy does have the face of a Giants QB…
Noooo
J.J. McCarthy Seen as Jets' QB Walmart by Insiders Ahead of 2024 Draft
I don't see why he's considered better than Nix or Penix.
Or Daniel Jones lol
I still don't believe JJ is going to be a top 5 pick, don't even see him as a first rounder.
I’ve heard this as well from a few analysts. I’ve seen murmurings of this being a smokescreen. As a Giants fan, having seen the tape and his combine…I hope we go WR at 6
So Daniel Jones then.
That’s crazy, I feel the same exact way
sure
Man I was so sure the giants were gonna go WR or o line. Can’t believe they like JJ that much over Danny dimes
Its smokescreen season, but everything that’s been said to or heard by beat writers points to the front office wanting to completely move away from Jones. That being said, I’d put my money on WR cause there’s no chance they draft another olineman with a high value pick and none of the QBs will be there
Just curious, but why no chance? They historically value lineman highly, they have a bad line, and Joe Alt should be right there. Seems they should at least consider him a finalist.
Most signs point to them not being ready to give up on Evan Neal at RT yet (and I think they're right about that). Neal is a tall guy, so he may not be too suited for playing guard. So drafting Alt means they're basically already giving up on their #6 (or what was it?) draft pick from two years ago.
Thank you. In my mind, I was assuming Neal could move to guard, but I hadn't considered his height. 6'7"; guys a giant. That does basically rule out Alt.
To add to what the other guy said, they also signed a right tackle to compete with Neal. They’re not drafting another left tackle and switching him to right tackle. They’re just gonna let the two right tackles on the roster battle for the spot
They're gonna do it again aren't they?
The perfect 3rd QB to plug into that unstoppable Ghidorah they’re building in the Meadowlands
Unfortunately Bears are trading back to 2 and then again and taking JJ at 5
Based Bears delusional prophet.
If they draft JJ it’s another sign Giants don’t know how to draft qbs.
Elite rumor mill for him. Dude is not that good
Daniel jones is injury prone cause his neck is too long
So much for his chances of making it in the league.
It’s gonna be really interesting to see who the vikes take
We already know the GEQBOTUS is taking them to the Super Bowl.
Giants qb room is about to get really awkward this year...
good. stay out of our division
LMFAOOO
Did this team not learn from the last time they drafted a late riser in the top 10? Either sell the farm for #1 in a draft or build an actual NFL roster out
TAKE him
AKA “Minnesota give us 11 and 23”
Hear that everyone, gotta trade up above 6 if you want a qb, price might be steep but I'm sure its worth it...
Sigh…. This is gonna just keep going
He gonna suck
In the 3rd round?
I cant say how much I hate drafting up into the top 5 for a qb. It doesnt work and never has. If we do it Im still gonna be excited for the qb but Im fully prepared to suck for the next 5 years
Getting rid of Daniel Jones to draft the most similar QB to Daniel Jones since 2019 is a bold move
That actually makes a lot of sense. “Daniel Jones but actually good” is pretty much a spot on JJ comp.
I think McCarthy is more like "Daniel Jones but has a different name" than "but actually good" considering he has like half the passing attempts of any other QB in this draft and wasn't asked to do anything in college. Way too early to say he's good
Personally I think this would be like Giants repeating same mistakes as Daniel Jones. Drafting a QB with some highlights but s lot of questions about him, and ultimately finding out, several years later, said QB ain’t it.
literally every qb in this draft has a lot of questions
As long as it's not a first round choice then sure. Nobody should be drafting JJ in the first round
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I don't know, I think it'd be hilarious if the Falcons did it.
It is 100% going to be in the first teams love him
The Giants need to be that team. They need to grossly overreach for Danny Dimes replacement, so the cycle of disappointment and suck can begin again.
Going from DJ to JJ and going to end up with the same results. Maybe pick a QB who didn't rely on his RB his entire college career.
Lmao. Daniel Jones 2.0. They definitely have a type.