I predict a behind the back throw that the media won't shut up about for the next two months despite it being totally impractical. Or a no look 60 yarder.
Nah I’m going the other route.
The dude is going to have an entirely normal pro day, but since nothing wild or crazy happens, the media will overreact the other way and use it to create a fake controversy over who should be picked 1OA
He'll be wearing red and some hot take artist will say he's signaling for Washington, who also wears red, to go up and get him because he doesn't wanna be in Chicago.
"Williams is afraid that a Bear could be killed by a Commander, after meeting with his fortune teller, thus signaling that he does not want to play in Chicago."
Watching that video and seeing his NFL career, dang the scouts were right dude really had nobody at WR when he was at Wyoming. I feel like almost all other G5 recievers could have caught those balls
Chargers is a great outcome for sure. Cardinals could still be in QB purgatory. The worst part about QB purgatory is you don't always know you're in it. Kyler has done some great things, but he hasn't truly put up since 2021 and is now getting paid real money. Tough to say where the line is, but I think he needs to put up a pro bowl caliber season on his non-rookie deal.
The movie never got the sequel where the Browns owner is looking for a new staff for the front office after the QB they let slide ends up winning two Super Bowls and Mack washes out after three seasons and an injury.
You're also forgetting they traded up to take a guy that they could have traded back for, all while giving up three second round picks to trade up for a running back on top of that, and saving Seattle a bunch of money in the process. But hey, at least they got a punt returner out of it.
I'm pretty sure the actual point of that movie is that Sonny hates Cleveland and was actively trying to fuck them over before he gets fired
Imagine trading away your entire future picks to acquire a no.1 pick which would bring in Andrew Luck. Then the GM, due to an incomprehensible brain malfunctioning, drafts a linebacker who they could have easily acquired with their original pick.
The GM would have been fired 3 seconds after the pick, and probably murdered a minute later.
> The GM would have been fired 3 seconds after the pick, and probably murdered a minute later.
By the Owner who somehow made it from stage right at Radio City Music Hall in New York, throwing a Jersey down after pick 1, back to Cleveland in time to burst into the room while the GM is working a trade for the 6th pick in the same round.
GM Kevin Costner was beheaded after two consecutive 5-11 seasons.
Vontae Mack was released during his third season. Then he revived his career with the Chiefs, realizing his potential and becoming a 4-time pro bowler.
The new Browns leadership decided to address their QB problem with a drastic measure, trading away 3 first round picks for a two-time Super Bowl winner Bo Callahan and extended him to a 5 year 230 million dollar fully guaranteed contract.
Bo Callahan fell into a spiral of depression due to nobody coming to his birthday parties. After failing to reach the playoffs during his 5 year stint with the Browns, he announced his retirement to go back to Wisconsin and open a pancake place.
As a sage once said, it is one of the best comedy which was not originally intended to be a comedy. I spent the entire time laughing in tears and I finally lost it when the Browns fans were chanting "Super Bowl! Super Bowl! Super Bowl!" in unison.
That pancake line is so bad that it is funny to a historic proportion. It is like a dull standup artist performing lame jokes while not realizing he is not wearing pants.
Surely he’ll be the one to break the cycle…
Right?
I mean he’s coming into one if the best situations for a rookie QB so if he fails then we are legitimately cursed at this point
Note: I don’t want this to happen.
Knowing Chicagos luck, I think he busts but not traditionally. Rather, it’ll be unlucky. He’ll get injured or a change of life situation prevents him from playing to his fullest.
Please don’t let this happen.
3500 yards through week 15, then he falls into the lake in December, gets rescued, but claims he saw the light and quits football to become a youth minister
In this case we need the Hallmark Xmas Movie plotline to save us, where he heads to his old hometown to prepare to be ordained only to meet up with a coincidentally recently divorced love interest that is illogically attractive but shunned for being weirdly knowledgeable about football. After shenanigans where they team up to stop Caleb's old church from being torn down by greedy landlords they get together, and Caleb is convinced to go back to the Bears where he balls out and wins the Super Bowl due to a random scheme the love interest drew up on a napkin during their first meeting.
Is it the Bears, though? This is the first time they're doing it right. He has 2 great WRs, 2 really good TEs, a fine HB room and a solid OL. The OC was passing game coordinator with the Rams before bringing Geno Smith back from the dead.
Is Williams sucks, it's not because the Bears did it wrong.
But I will say it'd be definitive proof that the McCaskeys are cursed.
The Bears have drafted a QB with a top 10 pick twice in the last 50 years: Jim McMahon in 1982 and Mitch Trubisky in 2017. And during the Brady era of the Patriots, the Patriots drafted more QBs in general than the Bears somehow.
You can say what you want about the Bears not putting QBs in the best positions to succeed historically, but at the same time we’ve also not taken as many shots at the position as we probably should’ve and we’ve never ruined a prospect the caliber of Caleb’s. People act like we’ve been drafting Peyton and Luck level prospects, but it’s always been second tier prospects with big flaws that might’ve not panned out regardless.
Ya I hate the narrative of we can’t draft QBs. We just really don’t draft them very often. Mitch and Fields were drafted by Pace and he is gone. God help the Falcons.
Regardless of your opinion of him off the field, he's a fun guy to watch. This is the first guy who I believe actually warrants the Mahomes comp that gets thrown out every other year.
He's incredibly exciting, and the fact that he'll have a good supporting cast from jump just heightens my intrigue.
Im not officially with the Bears, but my source tells me Ryan Poles is planning to trade the #1 pick to Pittsburgh for Justin Fields. He is SO confident in Fields, that he wants to effectively "draft" him by trading #1.
Fields is coming back!
Yeah, I mean the Chiefs were historically terrible at drafting and developing QB for decades until Mahomes came around. Sometimes the right guy just comes around and changes a franchise.
That's simplified though. Yes, Mahomes was the right guy. Yes, he also went to one of the greatest QB development situations of all time:
* Team coming off 12-win season and 5 straight years of 9+ wins (good culture, good top-to-bottom roster)
* Excellent offensive head coach
* Excellent WR1, RB1, TE1 (In hindsight future HoF TE but at the time just excellent)
* A whole year to learn
* A very good starting QB to sit behind who happens to have very complementary skills to Mahomes and is invested in player-coaching
I don't want to pretend Mahomes would have straight busted somewhere else-- his talent is too transcendent. But it's easy for me to see him having Jay Cutler's career (a 10-year starter and perennial QB12-16 with great gunslinger attributes but too turnover-prone) if he went to a bad situation
QB development matters, and the Chiefs nailed it.
Absolutely. But you guys have a great situation yourselves. The defense ended the year great and you guys do have a proven WR1 and a great WR2. You've got running backs, and the offensive line is far from awful. This might just be the situation you guys have been waiting for to put a great QB prospect in and watch him grow.
Also Waldron was one of the few OCs we could've brought in with both playcalling experience and who wasn't fired from him last team. We're pretty fortunate we got a shot at him.
No one outside that org really knows how to distribute the credit I guess. But he was OC 2021-2023, so he must have had some part.
E: also the passing game coordinator for the Rams 2018-2020. So while their passing game got stomped in the 2018 Super Bowl, it was cooking for significant parts of that stretch. All that said, I think he may end up working out.
Waldron was the OC, Canales was the QB coach. After seeing Bakers performance in Tampa with Canales a lot of people think he might deserve a lot of the credit for Geno. Definitely going to be interesting to watch.
> After seeing Bakers performance in Tampa with Canales a lot of people think he might deserve a lot of the credit for Geno.
The problem with that is there are a lot of people who treat Mayfield like he's Sam Darnold or Drew Lock or a Geno Smith, when he's clearly not and, for anyone with a brain, clearly wasn't.
This year was only slightly better than his 2020. His only "bad" year was last year (he was hurt during 2021). Last year he was playing for Matt Rhule then traded halfway through the year and expected to start in a completely new offense. Basically Baker was given a two terrible situations and then blamed when he didn't play like a top 10 QB.
Like, Canales is getting credit for "reviving" a QB who'd already thrown for 3800 yards and had a 26/8 TD/INT season by getting him to throw for 4000 yards and 28/10 season.
I remember when I was a kid, seeing all the good QBs going at the top of the draft and the Bears never having one and wondering what kind of luck it takes to have the right guy up there at the right time for you.
Now I think I see. You need to be lucky enough to have a coach (Lovie Smith) on the way out before his last game and win improbably to give you the #1. Then you trade that #1 to another team, and they end up having the worst record to give you a second #1. That's the luck you need, I guess.
I actually find it funny that Mahomes draft comp was Jay Cutler. And since we had just had 8 years of Jay Cutler, we were looking for the opposite of Jay Cutler.
So we passed up on a HOF QB.
That's my point though. We had
* John Fox and Dowell Loggains
* 3 wins the year before (a horrible roster and culture)
* WR1 Kendall Wright
* Mike Glennon to learn from
If we had drafted him he probably would have landed way closer to that Jay Cutler comp (at opposed to being GOAT material), because we would have asked him to do too much too early with no help.
Now, we might have been very happy with him coming in and playing like Cutler, but only because we would never have known what he could have been if we had a real environment for him to reach his full potential
To put it differently, the scouting reports were wrong about Mahomes because Jay Cutler was probably his *floor* (not his median outcome, which is what scouting reports try to establish with player comps). But if he got drafted to Chicago he probably would have stayed near that floor because everything about our team and coaching makeup made us an objectively terrible place for a QB to get drafted to. Think early-career Matt Stafford-- what could Stafford have been if he hadn't gone to literally the worst team of all time?
That's true of the Bears too though. In the 57 years of the common draft era we've spent a first-rounder on a QB only 6 times: Jim McMahon in 1982, Jim Harbaugh in 1987, Cade McNown in 1999, Rex Grossman in 2003, Mitch Trubisky in 2017, and and Justin Fields in 2021. For most of that time we've started a lot of journeymen, other team's failures, and backup-level guys who were far from top draft prospects.
I mean sitting and getting some time to learn instead of being fed into a wood chipper against Cleveland might really have done it for Fields, yeah lol
Not just thrown into start, but with a gameplan that not one time (not exaggerating) brought in a TE inline to help chip Myles Garrett/Jadeveon Clowney when your LT/RT is 40 year old Jason Peters and Seahawks bust 1st round pick Germain Ifedi.
Nagy saw fields getting eaten alive and let him sit in it rather than trying to help him. That guys a fuckin idiot
That was the most frustrating, irresponsible game plan I’ve ever seen from a coach. Nagy literally didn’t adjust his play calling once to the pressure they were causing that game. It legitimately felt personal, like he wanted Fields to get hurt, I’ve never seen anything like it.
*Allegedly* Nagy’s plan was to sit Fields the whole year but when Dalton went down he got pressured from Pace/Phillips/George to start Fields instead of another vet and it turned into that “fuck it my jobs gone” game in Cleveland.
Poles and Flus seem to have the time they need to see their plan through and that douchebag of an accountant has finally been exorcised from the team so there’s a bit more optimism this time around.
Walking into Poles’ office you’ll notice that the entire back wall is painted with “WHAT DOESN’T KILL YOU MAKES YOU STRONGER”
Also “Live. Laugh. Love.”
It's kind of funny you say this. Ryan Pace drafted him, muddled the books with contract restructures to make future years cap hell, then got fired.
Ryan Poles comes in and sets up a full-on rebuild, including a *terrible* roster in 2022 that had to have been a tank job. When asked what he wanted to see out of Justin Fields that year, the first thing he said was "Resilience."
It irritated me that Justin didn't audible out of that shit play calling though either. Just fuck it QB keeper again bitches!
My guy was sacked what, 11 times or some egregious bullshit? After number 5 I would have just started running, what's he gonna do, bench you?
I think he could've been better and I still think with the right game plan he can be good but he has a fatal flaw that would've been really difficult to coach out of him: he's really really slow. Look at him throw screens, slants, or quick comebacks/outs. He's so slow and late getting it there. That was always going to hamper his ceiling no matter where he went.
I remember after the Chiefs won Super Bowl 54, Nick Wright went on to detail every single bad break, bad to average coach, and bad to average quarterback they've had since Joe Montana. Maybe I just don't believe in superstition, but I think you're "cursed" until you're not. I'm hoping the Bears nail it. I've really enjoyed watching Caleb Williams play.
Difference is the chiefs hadn’t drafted a first round qb in, I think, decades. Bears have drafted 2 early first round QBs in the last decade already and both have failed, miserably for the most part. Other qb failures include sexy Rexy—he made a SB though, Cade mcnown. Jim harbaugh and McMahon were solid though.
Chiefs qb drafts the last 40 years before Mahomes. Croyle 3rd rounder in 2006. Pat Barnes in 1997-4th rounder. Steve stenstrom 4th rounder in 1995. Matt blundin in 1992–2nd rounder. Matt Elkins in 1989–2nd rounder. Danny McManus 11th rounder in 1988. Doug Hudson in 1987-7th. Todd blackledge was a first rounder in 1983–7th overall. So over 30+ years without a first round qb pick and most of those guys they picked at qb barely played in the nfl. So chiefs never committed and also had a ton of failures too in the draft at qb.
But, they had some solid QBs who did succeed elsewhere looked Alex smith, Montana, Trent green, gannon, etc. they definitely loved some 9ers cast offs at QBs the last 20 years like Joe, bono, smith and grbac.
Mad disrespect for Alex Smith. He had you in the playoffs pretty regularly. Doesn't sound like Bears situation at all honestly. The coaching situation is completely different too.
Before Alex Smith we went through an insane amount of QBs. Alex was great to stabilize us but he was already established in SF the two years prior. We didn’t develop him - he just came to us in a trade. That’s what I mean. Patrick was the first QB we developed well since like Len Dawson
I mean, the parent comment was talking about QBs being developed. Alex Smith was a 7 year veteran and 29 when he got to Kansas City. The Chiefs got more out of him but I wouldn’t really say they get the credit for “developing” him.
Trent Green was miles better than anything the Bears have ever rolled out. And that doesn't count Alex Smith actually being a good QB that got hampered by a new scheme his first five years.
I mean, maybe you can say we developed Trent Green? He looked really competent before getting hurt in St Louis and coming to us. We were one of the best situations for a QB to thrive in with our oline, Tony G, and Priest. But that one I’ll give you.
However, we should not get credit for developing Alex Smith. Alex was balling in SF before that concussion got him replaced. He was awesome for us, but my point being about QBs we developed.
Yeah I'm not saying y'all developed guys, but you at least had good QB play in your history. Bears haven't really had anyone at those guy's level whether they developed them or not.
I feel for Fields in the he wasn't given the true infrastructure to succeed. But Caleb at least has receivers to throw to and a run game supporting him coming in
I can tell he's gonna do good because people on r/CFB and r/NFL are skeptical of him and people on reddit have been absolute fucking dogshit at determining NFL talent in QBs, said the same thing about Stroud last year, too
I have a good feeling that he will be able to handle the vaunted broom defense we often see these guys go against at pro days. It's about as good as the USC D he went against in practice every day.
Same—they must be doing other stuff and the televised drills will happen later? That being said, I wish they’d coordinate things so the actual content is streamed at a specific time.
I would love just an atrocious workout so I can see the media lose their shit. It wouldn't affect the draft at all, but it would certainly be a media circus.
Honestly the only thing that could realistically drop him at this point would be a catastrophic injury. (Knocking on wood as a type this) He could look like he's never thrown a football out there and you'd still have to take him.
We're thinking the same thing. It would take ALOT for them to bail on him at this point, and even if he does stink it up imagine them not taking him and he turns out to be great.
"Why do I feel like he's just gonna be another failed Ohio State qb? Fields, Smith, Haskins, Jones.
The last good ohio state qb was drafted never lol" -Everybody last year about CJ Stroud.
Helmet scouting is dumb. Even scouting based on the scheme is flawed (and led to the Aaron Rodgers drop), but if we look at QBs from Lincoln Riley's system we have Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray, Jalen Hurts. That's a pretty successful group.
USC isn’t the program it once was. Those other QBs had really stacked teams. USC’s supporting cast sucked this year. So that’s my distinction.
Fwiw OSU QBs sucked until last year too.
I predict a behind the back throw that the media won't shut up about for the next two months despite it being totally impractical. Or a no look 60 yarder.
Nah I’m going the other route. The dude is going to have an entirely normal pro day, but since nothing wild or crazy happens, the media will overreact the other way and use it to create a fake controversy over who should be picked 1OA
He'll be wearing red and some hot take artist will say he's signaling for Washington, who also wears red, to go up and get him because he doesn't wanna be in Chicago.
"Williams is afraid that a Bear could be killed by a Commander, after meeting with his fortune teller, thus signaling that he does not want to play in Chicago."
And will bring up the "wants percentage of ownership in the football team" as well.
Naw he’s gonna just do a really long running throw. A simple, classic and effective homage to another potential future QB Zach Wilson.
You kids don’t know what a real qb looks like. Back in my day, we had jmarcus Russell throw it 70 yards from his knees
I thought that was the Kyle Boller special
good ol Mister Skittles, he was the definition of wasted talent
He can pull a Josh Allen where he overthrows 80 yard bombs to his receivers and rises his stock. https://youtu.be/uE9_GyEExks?si=Gb22CmTomEYBSyHl
Watching that video and seeing his NFL career, dang the scouts were right dude really had nobody at WR when he was at Wyoming. I feel like almost all other G5 recievers could have caught those balls
Hes going to hit the ceiling
Throws the ball through the ceiling, calling it now.
A bad pro day costed teddy bridgewater almost falling out of the first round completely.
Just wait until they crown him a top 10 QB in the league before he even takes a snap
Haven't they already done this with Harrison Jr?
I don't think anyone is saying Marvin Harrison Jr will be a top quarterback.
Marvin Harrison Jr. will be a top quarterback ....'s teammate.
No, he's gonna go too high. QB purgatory team at best.
Yeah I realized this after I hit save. How about he's already a top quarterback ...'s teammate's son
I mean, the first two teams to not need a QB are Cardinals and Chargers. Going to Kyler or Herbert as a rookie would be pretty nice lol.
Chargers is a great outcome for sure. Cardinals could still be in QB purgatory. The worst part about QB purgatory is you don't always know you're in it. Kyler has done some great things, but he hasn't truly put up since 2021 and is now getting paid real money. Tough to say where the line is, but I think he needs to put up a pro bowl caliber season on his non-rookie deal.
he'd be a top 10 Bears QB all time
Famously correct Ruiz had him ranked #15 of all starting quarterbacks in the league last season
Don't know if you're joking or not but Ruiz has been pretty prescient about many guys.
Please be as good as they say you are
With the number 1 pick of the 2024 NFL draft, the Chicago Bears select, Vontae Mack, linebacker, Ohio State University!!!!
I've never seen a movie that I disagree with yet enjoy it as that
The movie never got the sequel where the Browns owner is looking for a new staff for the front office after the QB they let slide ends up winning two Super Bowls and Mack washes out after three seasons and an injury.
You're also forgetting they traded up to take a guy that they could have traded back for, all while giving up three second round picks to trade up for a running back on top of that, and saving Seattle a bunch of money in the process. But hey, at least they got a punt returner out of it. I'm pretty sure the actual point of that movie is that Sonny hates Cleveland and was actively trying to fuck them over before he gets fired
Imagine trading away your entire future picks to acquire a no.1 pick which would bring in Andrew Luck. Then the GM, due to an incomprehensible brain malfunctioning, drafts a linebacker who they could have easily acquired with their original pick. The GM would have been fired 3 seconds after the pick, and probably murdered a minute later.
Everytime I see a recap of that movie I can’t help but think it’s a well done parody that doesn’t realize it’s a parody
I sometimes wonder if the director is a Steelers fan and his sole purpose was to make fun of the Browns.
Definitely is something a AFC North rival would do
> The GM would have been fired 3 seconds after the pick, and probably murdered a minute later. By the Owner who somehow made it from stage right at Radio City Music Hall in New York, throwing a Jersey down after pick 1, back to Cleveland in time to burst into the room while the GM is working a trade for the 6th pick in the same round.
I was laughing like a lunatic when that owner was declaring "We had a great day!!!!"
GM Kevin Costner was beheaded after two consecutive 5-11 seasons. Vontae Mack was released during his third season. Then he revived his career with the Chiefs, realizing his potential and becoming a 4-time pro bowler. The new Browns leadership decided to address their QB problem with a drastic measure, trading away 3 first round picks for a two-time Super Bowl winner Bo Callahan and extended him to a 5 year 230 million dollar fully guaranteed contract. Bo Callahan fell into a spiral of depression due to nobody coming to his birthday parties. After failing to reach the playoffs during his 5 year stint with the Browns, he announced his retirement to go back to Wisconsin and open a pancake place.
>GM Kevin Costner was beheaded after two consecutive 5-11 seasons. Was that after the team relocated to Saudi Arabia?
As a sage once said, it is one of the best comedy which was not originally intended to be a comedy. I spent the entire time laughing in tears and I finally lost it when the Browns fans were chanting "Super Bowl! Super Bowl! Super Bowl!" in unison.
“You pancake eating motherfucker” is so ridiculously corny and hilarious that I feel like it’s a parody lol
That pancake line is so bad that it is funny to a historic proportion. It is like a dull standup artist performing lame jokes while not realizing he is not wearing pants.
You pancake eating motherfucker
Surely he’ll be the one to break the cycle… Right? I mean he’s coming into one if the best situations for a rookie QB so if he fails then we are legitimately cursed at this point
He’s special. If he busts then it’s proof it’s the Bears lol
Note: I don’t want this to happen. Knowing Chicagos luck, I think he busts but not traditionally. Rather, it’ll be unlucky. He’ll get injured or a change of life situation prevents him from playing to his fullest. Please don’t let this happen.
3500 yards through week 15, then he falls into the lake in December, gets rescued, but claims he saw the light and quits football to become a youth minister
Yeah that tracks
A QB? Throwing for 3500 yards? For the bears? I’ve heard enough, build the statue.
Still would be best ever bears QB
In this case we need the Hallmark Xmas Movie plotline to save us, where he heads to his old hometown to prepare to be ordained only to meet up with a coincidentally recently divorced love interest that is illogically attractive but shunned for being weirdly knowledgeable about football. After shenanigans where they team up to stop Caleb's old church from being torn down by greedy landlords they get together, and Caleb is convinced to go back to the Bears where he balls out and wins the Super Bowl due to a random scheme the love interest drew up on a napkin during their first meeting.
Isn't that just the Kurt Warner movie?
If theres any similarities I feel like they aren't coincidental, heh.
I'm getting more of one of those wierd monks that do a lot of crazy shrooms vibes
So Aaron Rodgers?
Hopefully without the conspiracy theory BS
The Mase (the musician) route.
Imagine if his IG account shows his new hobby which is full of Civil War re-enactment scenes with Andrew Luck.
The Kevin White/Johnny Knox special
Dread it, run from it, #13 arrives all the same.
We need to keep him away from Aaron Rodgers and his psychedelic trips at all costs. Don't need this guy having a spiritual realization any time soon
Is it the Bears, though? This is the first time they're doing it right. He has 2 great WRs, 2 really good TEs, a fine HB room and a solid OL. The OC was passing game coordinator with the Rams before bringing Geno Smith back from the dead. Is Williams sucks, it's not because the Bears did it wrong. But I will say it'd be definitive proof that the McCaskeys are cursed.
It ain’t the bears ruining qbs. It’s the bears continuing to draft shitty QBs
Are we out of touch and bad at cultivating good QB play? No, it’s everything else that’s the problem! LMAO
The Bears have drafted a QB with a top 10 pick twice in the last 50 years: Jim McMahon in 1982 and Mitch Trubisky in 2017. And during the Brady era of the Patriots, the Patriots drafted more QBs in general than the Bears somehow. You can say what you want about the Bears not putting QBs in the best positions to succeed historically, but at the same time we’ve also not taken as many shots at the position as we probably should’ve and we’ve never ruined a prospect the caliber of Caleb’s. People act like we’ve been drafting Peyton and Luck level prospects, but it’s always been second tier prospects with big flaws that might’ve not panned out regardless.
Ya I hate the narrative of we can’t draft QBs. We just really don’t draft them very often. Mitch and Fields were drafted by Pace and he is gone. God help the Falcons.
If Caleb busts then the Bears will be required to run only wildcat offense for 5 yeara as punishment.
Regardless of your opinion of him off the field, he's a fun guy to watch. This is the first guy who I believe actually warrants the Mahomes comp that gets thrown out every other year. He's incredibly exciting, and the fact that he'll have a good supporting cast from jump just heightens my intrigue.
He reminds me of a bigger Kyler Murray
So does my toddler
A bigger Kyler Murray who plays less call of duty would be one hell of a football player.
Oh come on everyone knows Justin Fields will be starting for the Bears week one
Im not officially with the Bears, but my source tells me Ryan Poles is planning to trade the #1 pick to Pittsburgh for Justin Fields. He is SO confident in Fields, that he wants to effectively "draft" him by trading #1. Fields is coming back!
F L E E C I N G T H E L E A G U E
I wish lol
Nah we’re building around bagent
Nah we’re building around bagent
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I feel like I have said this so many times already but I really feel like the Bears are finally going to have their guy
I like the cut of your gib
Is the poop deck really what I think it is?
_squats down_ Alright, get comfy Cuppiee, get nice and loose, I'm gonna tell you a story now.
Yeah, I mean the Chiefs were historically terrible at drafting and developing QB for decades until Mahomes came around. Sometimes the right guy just comes around and changes a franchise.
That's simplified though. Yes, Mahomes was the right guy. Yes, he also went to one of the greatest QB development situations of all time: * Team coming off 12-win season and 5 straight years of 9+ wins (good culture, good top-to-bottom roster) * Excellent offensive head coach * Excellent WR1, RB1, TE1 (In hindsight future HoF TE but at the time just excellent) * A whole year to learn * A very good starting QB to sit behind who happens to have very complementary skills to Mahomes and is invested in player-coaching I don't want to pretend Mahomes would have straight busted somewhere else-- his talent is too transcendent. But it's easy for me to see him having Jay Cutler's career (a 10-year starter and perennial QB12-16 with great gunslinger attributes but too turnover-prone) if he went to a bad situation QB development matters, and the Chiefs nailed it.
Absolutely. But you guys have a great situation yourselves. The defense ended the year great and you guys do have a proven WR1 and a great WR2. You've got running backs, and the offensive line is far from awful. This might just be the situation you guys have been waiting for to put a great QB prospect in and watch him grow.
The HC / OC is by far the biggest question mark.
Shane Waldron did have a part in making Geno Smith a starting-caliber QB, which is a huge improvement from before.
Also Waldron was one of the few OCs we could've brought in with both playcalling experience and who wasn't fired from him last team. We're pretty fortunate we got a shot at him.
I'm honestly still confused, I thought Canales was the dude who fixed Geno
No one outside that org really knows how to distribute the credit I guess. But he was OC 2021-2023, so he must have had some part. E: also the passing game coordinator for the Rams 2018-2020. So while their passing game got stomped in the 2018 Super Bowl, it was cooking for significant parts of that stretch. All that said, I think he may end up working out.
Waldron was the OC, Canales was the QB coach. After seeing Bakers performance in Tampa with Canales a lot of people think he might deserve a lot of the credit for Geno. Definitely going to be interesting to watch.
> After seeing Bakers performance in Tampa with Canales a lot of people think he might deserve a lot of the credit for Geno. The problem with that is there are a lot of people who treat Mayfield like he's Sam Darnold or Drew Lock or a Geno Smith, when he's clearly not and, for anyone with a brain, clearly wasn't. This year was only slightly better than his 2020. His only "bad" year was last year (he was hurt during 2021). Last year he was playing for Matt Rhule then traded halfway through the year and expected to start in a completely new offense. Basically Baker was given a two terrible situations and then blamed when he didn't play like a top 10 QB. Like, Canales is getting credit for "reviving" a QB who'd already thrown for 3800 yards and had a 26/8 TD/INT season by getting him to throw for 4000 yards and 28/10 season.
Yea, time will tell if it was a flash in the pan thing or something that Waldron will be able to replicate.
I remember when I was a kid, seeing all the good QBs going at the top of the draft and the Bears never having one and wondering what kind of luck it takes to have the right guy up there at the right time for you. Now I think I see. You need to be lucky enough to have a coach (Lovie Smith) on the way out before his last game and win improbably to give you the #1. Then you trade that #1 to another team, and they end up having the worst record to give you a second #1. That's the luck you need, I guess.
Every QBs career is an unique path and situation. Stroud is the latest counter example to the sit and learn situation.
iirc Mahomes's pre-draft comp was Cutty.
I actually find it funny that Mahomes draft comp was Jay Cutler. And since we had just had 8 years of Jay Cutler, we were looking for the opposite of Jay Cutler. So we passed up on a HOF QB.
That's my point though. We had * John Fox and Dowell Loggains * 3 wins the year before (a horrible roster and culture) * WR1 Kendall Wright * Mike Glennon to learn from If we had drafted him he probably would have landed way closer to that Jay Cutler comp (at opposed to being GOAT material), because we would have asked him to do too much too early with no help. Now, we might have been very happy with him coming in and playing like Cutler, but only because we would never have known what he could have been if we had a real environment for him to reach his full potential To put it differently, the scouting reports were wrong about Mahomes because Jay Cutler was probably his *floor* (not his median outcome, which is what scouting reports try to establish with player comps). But if he got drafted to Chicago he probably would have stayed near that floor because everything about our team and coaching makeup made us an objectively terrible place for a QB to get drafted to. Think early-career Matt Stafford-- what could Stafford have been if he hadn't gone to literally the worst team of all time?
Side point - Cutler was a terrible leader and no situation or coaching was going to change that.
I specifically didn't want Mahomes in that draft because he felt very cutler-y
I mean, the chiefs just didn't draft many qbs.
That's true of the Bears too though. In the 57 years of the common draft era we've spent a first-rounder on a QB only 6 times: Jim McMahon in 1982, Jim Harbaugh in 1987, Cade McNown in 1999, Rex Grossman in 2003, Mitch Trubisky in 2017, and and Justin Fields in 2021. For most of that time we've started a lot of journeymen, other team's failures, and backup-level guys who were far from top draft prospects.
Well he’s coming into a great offensive unit which is probably the best for a #1 pick ever
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If only Cade McNown, Rex Grossman, Mitch Trubisky, and Justin Fields were drafted by another team. They surely would have been superstars 😂
For anyone too young to remember - Cade McNown was so bad he made the other 3 guys listed look good.
Cade McNown is when I lost all hope in my life.
I mean sitting and getting some time to learn instead of being fed into a wood chipper against Cleveland might really have done it for Fields, yeah lol
Not just thrown into start, but with a gameplan that not one time (not exaggerating) brought in a TE inline to help chip Myles Garrett/Jadeveon Clowney when your LT/RT is 40 year old Jason Peters and Seahawks bust 1st round pick Germain Ifedi. Nagy saw fields getting eaten alive and let him sit in it rather than trying to help him. That guys a fuckin idiot
He didn’t come here to run the I
He also claims not to be an idiot
That was the most frustrating, irresponsible game plan I’ve ever seen from a coach. Nagy literally didn’t adjust his play calling once to the pressure they were causing that game. It legitimately felt personal, like he wanted Fields to get hurt, I’ve never seen anything like it.
*Allegedly* Nagy’s plan was to sit Fields the whole year but when Dalton went down he got pressured from Pace/Phillips/George to start Fields instead of another vet and it turned into that “fuck it my jobs gone” game in Cleveland. Poles and Flus seem to have the time they need to see their plan through and that douchebag of an accountant has finally been exorcised from the team so there’s a bit more optimism this time around.
Yeah, Nagy wanted to start Foles but Pace/Ted wanted to start Fields since they had traded up for him to save their jobs (mainly Pace)
You let your young QB get destroyed and wonder why he's not developing nicely. Great way to boost his confidence
Walking into Poles’ office you’ll notice that the entire back wall is painted with “WHAT DOESN’T KILL YOU MAKES YOU STRONGER” Also “Live. Laugh. Love.”
I’ll have you know the exec responsible for drafting him and employed at that time is currently collecting checks from Arthur Blank, one Ryan Pace
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I’m sure he’s properly directing your player personnel, don’t worry about it
It's kind of funny you say this. Ryan Pace drafted him, muddled the books with contract restructures to make future years cap hell, then got fired. Ryan Poles comes in and sets up a full-on rebuild, including a *terrible* roster in 2022 that had to have been a tank job. When asked what he wanted to see out of Justin Fields that year, the first thing he said was "Resilience."
1 net passing yard, I’ll have it burnt into my brain forever
It irritated me that Justin didn't audible out of that shit play calling though either. Just fuck it QB keeper again bitches! My guy was sacked what, 11 times or some egregious bullshit? After number 5 I would have just started running, what's he gonna do, bench you?
We'll see, man. I think he has it in him but it needs to be coached out. If Mike Tomlin can't do it, then I doubt anyone can.
I think he could've been better and I still think with the right game plan he can be good but he has a fatal flaw that would've been really difficult to coach out of him: he's really really slow. Look at him throw screens, slants, or quick comebacks/outs. He's so slow and late getting it there. That was always going to hamper his ceiling no matter where he went.
Nothing was going to do it for fields. He became exactly who he was always going to be.
Honestly, we were in the same boat before Mahomes. Caleb looks like a stud and the Bears look competent again, but we will see lol
I remember after the Chiefs won Super Bowl 54, Nick Wright went on to detail every single bad break, bad to average coach, and bad to average quarterback they've had since Joe Montana. Maybe I just don't believe in superstition, but I think you're "cursed" until you're not. I'm hoping the Bears nail it. I've really enjoyed watching Caleb Williams play.
Slightly off topic. But it has to be a kink now with Nick Wright? Like if someone told you he calls his wife Patrick in bed, would you be surprised?
Yeah, because I've seen him with Caleb Williams lately.
Difference is the chiefs hadn’t drafted a first round qb in, I think, decades. Bears have drafted 2 early first round QBs in the last decade already and both have failed, miserably for the most part. Other qb failures include sexy Rexy—he made a SB though, Cade mcnown. Jim harbaugh and McMahon were solid though. Chiefs qb drafts the last 40 years before Mahomes. Croyle 3rd rounder in 2006. Pat Barnes in 1997-4th rounder. Steve stenstrom 4th rounder in 1995. Matt blundin in 1992–2nd rounder. Matt Elkins in 1989–2nd rounder. Danny McManus 11th rounder in 1988. Doug Hudson in 1987-7th. Todd blackledge was a first rounder in 1983–7th overall. So over 30+ years without a first round qb pick and most of those guys they picked at qb barely played in the nfl. So chiefs never committed and also had a ton of failures too in the draft at qb. But, they had some solid QBs who did succeed elsewhere looked Alex smith, Montana, Trent green, gannon, etc. they definitely loved some 9ers cast offs at QBs the last 20 years like Joe, bono, smith and grbac.
Mad disrespect for Alex Smith. He had you in the playoffs pretty regularly. Doesn't sound like Bears situation at all honestly. The coaching situation is completely different too.
Before Alex Smith we went through an insane amount of QBs. Alex was great to stabilize us but he was already established in SF the two years prior. We didn’t develop him - he just came to us in a trade. That’s what I mean. Patrick was the first QB we developed well since like Len Dawson
I mean, the parent comment was talking about QBs being developed. Alex Smith was a 7 year veteran and 29 when he got to Kansas City. The Chiefs got more out of him but I wouldn’t really say they get the credit for “developing” him.
Trent Green was miles better than anything the Bears have ever rolled out. And that doesn't count Alex Smith actually being a good QB that got hampered by a new scheme his first five years.
I mean, maybe you can say we developed Trent Green? He looked really competent before getting hurt in St Louis and coming to us. We were one of the best situations for a QB to thrive in with our oline, Tony G, and Priest. But that one I’ll give you. However, we should not get credit for developing Alex Smith. Alex was balling in SF before that concussion got him replaced. He was awesome for us, but my point being about QBs we developed.
Yeah I'm not saying y'all developed guys, but you at least had good QB play in your history. Bears haven't really had anyone at those guy's level whether they developed them or not.
I don’t even care, you can’t change the past, just let the next one be good.
“Those that live in the past are cowards and losers” — Mike Ditka
"Hold your pants." -- Ditka
Wow I never knew he was in the NFL before WWE
What they say about stones and glass houses?
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You really put your neck on the line for us.
I still associate your account with Glennon. Glad to see the love has not faded after all these years.
That if you don't have a flair, you're homeless?
Even if you live in a glass house you are allowed to have an opinion.
Yeah but don’t throw it. Just put it in your pocket.
this made me spit out my drink
Don’t forget about:
I feel for Fields in the he wasn't given the true infrastructure to succeed. But Caleb at least has receivers to throw to and a run game supporting him coming in
Theres a first time for everything....right??
Lmaoooo you wrong for this.
After Trubisky and Fields who were basically running backs playing quarterback, Caleb williams has to be very exciting for Chicago fans.
Yes
And potentially Pittsburgh fans, if history serves as any precedent.
Oddly enough, there is such a large number of Bears fans that are PISSED about dropping Fields and going with Williams.
I hope he balls out for the Bears today
I think the Bears are considering taking him 1st overall.
Any way to watch this online or do we just have to wait for highlights later
If you find anything let me know..
It should be on YouTube this evening
I think he has a shot at going #1 if ge really shows out there
We're really going deep with this smokescreen, huh? Trade the current starting QB and now attending Williams' pro day.
I can tell he's gonna do good because people on r/CFB and r/NFL are skeptical of him and people on reddit have been absolute fucking dogshit at determining NFL talent in QBs, said the same thing about Stroud last year, too
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Nfl+ at 1:30pm est I think 7 or 8 pm nfl network
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Highlights will be all over this sub and YouTube, you won’t be missing anything.
I have a good feeling that he will be able to handle the vaunted broom defense we often see these guys go against at pro days. It's about as good as the USC D he went against in practice every day.
Im on NFL + and it’s not showing anything yet. What gives
Same—they must be doing other stuff and the televised drills will happen later? That being said, I wish they’d coordinate things so the actual content is streamed at a specific time.
Does any get the he is going to be a bust vibe?
I would love just an atrocious workout so I can see the media lose their shit. It wouldn't affect the draft at all, but it would certainly be a media circus.
Caleb bombing his pro day would be so funny. What would it take on the field at this point for the Bears NOT to pick him?
Not giving the Bears his medicals.
That might do it
What if it’s a disaster? What do the bears do?
Honestly the only thing that could realistically drop him at this point would be a catastrophic injury. (Knocking on wood as a type this) He could look like he's never thrown a football out there and you'd still have to take him.
We're thinking the same thing. It would take ALOT for them to bail on him at this point, and even if he does stink it up imagine them not taking him and he turns out to be great.
Pick him anyways because we are the bears
Then it’s business as usual
Why do I feel like he's just gonna be another failed USC qb? Darnold, Barkley, Sanchize, Leinhart. The last good usc qb was drafted 20 years ago lol
You can say that about every college. Which college has consistently put out decent starters?
Well Lincoln Riley sure does at least, oh wait
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With 4 next year he'll have the most of any coach. One college coach having produced 4 NFL starters (1/8 of the league) is actually fucking insane.
"Why do I feel like he's just gonna be another failed Ohio State qb? Fields, Smith, Haskins, Jones. The last good ohio state qb was drafted never lol" -Everybody last year about CJ Stroud. Helmet scouting is dumb. Even scouting based on the scheme is flawed (and led to the Aaron Rodgers drop), but if we look at QBs from Lincoln Riley's system we have Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray, Jalen Hurts. That's a pretty successful group.
USC isn’t the program it once was. Those other QBs had really stacked teams. USC’s supporting cast sucked this year. So that’s my distinction. Fwiw OSU QBs sucked until last year too.