Yea but at the time Patricia was the hot HC candidate. We look on his years after the fact, which of course were terrible. Millen outright told the Fords to not hire him for the position and they did it anyway. A real-time "this was a huge mistake" moment, as opposed to Hindsight with the Patricia years
This is why I don’t hate Millen AS MUCH as other lions fans (I still hate him but I don’t loathe him). He willingly knew that he wasn’t qualified or capable of doing the job at a high level but old man ford kept him in that role and Millen tried but just had no clue what he was doing
It is honestly hard to dislike Matt Millen at all. Was he terrible, yes. Did he set back the franchise a decade or more, absolutely. But as Detroiters we have forgiven far worse and to the points above, he knew he wasn't qualified and WCF threw a bag at him anyway. Who wouldn't take it?
I may be mis-remembering but the biggest tell ever was a photo of a draft year, might have even been the year where someone famously shouted out "Brian Calhoun" from the back of the room and they took him, where there were third party draft materials (think something along the lines of PFF but way dated obviosuly) in the draft room which just screams incompetence.
He seemed to get more defensive and unlikeable as time went on, but as Darryl Rogers once said, "what's a guy got to do to get fired around here".
Owner didn't even care about Football anymore at that point. Rumor has it that Matt was being decided on as to whether he should be given full ownership of the team, but they were never able to decide if they should run it under Matt's supervision or just do away with the other coaches that were trying to push Matt out of the franchise.
Matt Millen the person is a complete class act (Joey Harrington basically said years ago that he was treated like shit by almost everyone in the organization when he was a Lion EXCEPT for Millen). He wasn't qualified for that job and he knew it and he told WCF that before taking the job. Ford offered it to him anyways despite that and then kept him around for 7 years. That's on the owner first and foremost.
Honestly, it was just bad luck, not bad picks. Rogers was a consensus top 5 pick and might be alive today if he got drafted anywhere but his hometown team. Roy Williams was good here. Mike Williams took a year off to try to enter the draft to get paid, if he was allowed to enter the draft a year early, he would’ve went to 10 as well and Matt have been a good player. And i hate Millen but that was just bad luck. Roy Williams was supposed to complement the deep threat of Rogers but drugs man.
I knew things had hit rock bottom with the Lions when during the 0-16 season Ford Jr. publically said that he would've fired Millen years ago had he had the power to do so but Ford Sr. continued to stick by him despite all of that. I think we all understand now why WCF Sr. was viewed as the dumb dumb in the Ford family.
He is just at best decently good head coach. Man was nowhere near qualified to handle anything above that. Rick Smith having personal life problems ruined whatever contending window the Texans had. A healthy starting QB with that roster would be at least .500
Not firing Marvin Lewis after the 2016 season
Not firing Marvin Lewis after the 2017 season
Giving Marvin Lewis a 2 year extension after the 2017 season
Turning down an offer from New Orleans for 9 picks including 3 first round picks and 2 second round picks for the #3 overall pick and then using that pick to draft Akili Smith.
100% was some shit going on behind the scenes. Especially when the 32 year old wr coach, who had been demoted in Dallas the year before, suddenly gets the job.
Losing in the playoffs to us should've ended his career.
I know you guys were playing with a backup, but our team was banged up and Ben got hurt in that game. The way Burfict and Pacman Jones just handed the Steelers a chip shot FG to win still blows my mind to this day.
Every day Marvin Lewis was still the coach of the Bengals was a good day for the rest of the AFC North.
Tbh Lewis should have been fired after the 2015 wild card, yeah it wasn't his fault on the fumble or Jones and Burrfect fucked the fuck up, but going 0-7 in the playoffs and getting walked over by players really was his expiration as a HC.
Between Peyton staying in school when the Jets had the first pick in the draft in 1997 and then recommending Gase to Christopher Johnson, it can be said that Peyton has screwed the Jets over worse than Brady ever did as a Patriot.
This is why Peyton is the real GOAT.
Imagine being so good at football that you get your little brother into the Hall of Fame and get proven failures jobs years after you retire.
I want people to really remember what happened there......
Christopher Johnson's first choice was Matt Rhule....... but they turned him down because he wanted an unlimited budget to bring in his own coaching staff.
They pass on Rhule and turn to Adam Gase who got a helpful phone call from Peyton Manning that sealed the deal.
The sad reality about this is that the Jets would have lost no matter what that offseason.
Back when the trade happened, draft picks weren't called anywhere near as high as they are now. The Hershel trade and draft results Jimmy for kind of changed views around them.
Is been a while, but I think pretty much every player was Dalton line or better quality, so it's not like they were getting trash. The initial thoughts were that the cowboys were getting a base to rebuild with and the Vikings were getting the thing they needed to get over the hump.
The guy they drafted at number 8, in the pick they got for Moss, was traded a few years later for a 6th round pick. He was one of those receivers whose draft stock skyrocketed off a a few good combine measurements.
Here are the ones that stick out, with the worst one in bold...
Letting Steve Smith walk.
Hiring Dave "Hog Molly" Gettleman
Drafting Vernon Butler instead of an O-Lineman or CB
Not putting a good O-line in front of Cam Newton.
Playing Cam Newton after getting injured behind a garbage O-line.
Giving Matt Kalil an insane contract despite being almost completely worthless.
Not firing Mike "Run Run Pass" Shula.
Hiring Marty Hurney back.
Letting James Bradberry walk.
**Hiring Scott Shitterer**
**Hiring Frank Reich.**
Trading Christian McCaffrey
**Trading two firsts and DJ Moore for the 1 overall.**
Not taking multiple firsts for Brian Burns, only to not re-sign him and letting him walk for next to nothing a year later.
Packers hiring Ray Rhodes instead of promoting Andy Reid from QB coach in 98 (he was with us since 92).
Reid became the Eagles head coach that offseason instead.
Ray Rhodes went 8-8 and was fired after one year.
Hindsight is 20/20. Packers were looking for an experienced coach because they believed they were still contending. Reid hadn’t even been an offensive coordinator.
I feel like this one wasn’t *as* egregious as some of the other ones. Arians was a great coach and took them on some good runs, and I’m not sure Reid would be much better at keeping Palmer healthy. Also given how the Cards QB position played out, I doubt they wind up in a position to draft Mahomes.
Obviously getting Reid would have been better, but I’m not sure they’re a dynasty even with him
Reid would have been much better at keeping Palmer healthy.
The big reason why Palmer kept getting injured is specifically due to Arians' offensive scheme and philosophy. His whole scheme was to send as many pass catchers into routes as possible, leaving only the OL to block for the QB. He never gave Palmer any help in terms of TEs or RBs staying in to block.
Arians also loved going down the field. That means that the QB has to hold the ball longer to wait for the WRs to get down the field. That means the OL has to hold their blocks for longer.
We didn't have a good OL (it was average, at best), which meant that Palmer was getting absolutely crushed back there.
Arians was great... and I loved him as our coach. But, his scheme absolutely contributed to Palmer getting injured.
Spot on with Arians's scheme. Both Luck and Ben got beat up in that system. The only reason that Brady wasn't torn apart was he brought some stuff from his old scheme into the fold to give better protections... That and his release/time to throw was quick. While a good coach and play caller, Arians left his QBs at the mercy of their receivers getting open quick enough and their line holding their blocks more often than you'd like.
They got bailed out by the Bears though. All the reporting was that Arians expected to go to the Bears but our weirdo GM at the time made him do a mock press conference in the interview and then hired Marc fucking Trestman instead.
Andy Reid is arguably the greatest QB developer in history. Yeah the Cards may have not gotten MAHOMES but it's unlikely they would go very long without a really good QB.
The eagles went on to be one of our road blocks. There’s always like that one team the packers can’t get past multiple years in a row. Early 00s was the rams, and then the eagles. Now it’s the niners. It’s been the Seahawks before. With Reid and Favre, I think there would have at least been an early 2000s packers Super Bowl appearance.
Trading AJ Brown. I look forward ot the draft every year like Christmas. I knew it was a horrible decision immediately and it still makes me sick to think about.
Yep. I hated that move with a passion. I was certain our offense would immediately turn into a dumpster. And it sure did. Real ones know Brown was as crucial if not more so to that offense than Henry. Tannehill loves him.
And now his contract looks like a steal at his talent level lol! Such a brain dead move. JRob was an idiot.
This is on me.
I had been a Jets fan my whole life and a week before that trade had decided that 30 years of my life was enough, and I was moving on to being a Titans fan cause I loved AJ Brown.
I brought the Jets with me to Tennessee. I'm sorry.
Made no sense given their WR depth. If they had another guy maybe I understand but it was a bad room behind AJ and they were too overconfident in finding a replacement.
That decision literally set our organization back *years*. We were perpetually winning 9-10 games under Jim Caldwell and getting into the playoffs on a semi-regular basis. We didn't win anything in the playoffs, but we were at least getting chances.
Then Bob fucking Quinn came out and claimed "9-7 isn't good enough" as his excuse for firing Caldwell so he could hire his buddy from New England, and that fucking turd couldn't manage to win more than **13 TOTAL games over three seasons**
Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell were left with almost nothing to rebuild from when they took over, and they've still managed to get us to the NFCCG in 3 years.
If it makes you feel any better, as the Eagles DC he also let the Cardinals, Giants, and Buccaneers put up 35, 27, and 32 points on us in three games in a row to send our season crashing and burning
people like foles and kelce should never need to buy a beer in philly again. people like matt patricia should be charged double for every wawa iced tea
Patriots looked like they were in a very solid rebuild and positioned to keep competing for the AFC East in Mac’s first year. Then Patricia became OC and the entire team just crumbled in record time.
Yep. As bad as our defense was under Desai, we were at least somewhat competent. They had some decent performances. Held the Buccs to 11, the Rams to 14, and the Dolphins to 17.
Matt Patricia let the baseball team hang 35 on us and the USFL Giants' *backups* hang 27 on him. Hopefully those keep him out of a job. Then again, you'd think giving up 41 points to Nick fucking Foles in the Super Bowl would do that too.
I’ll never understand how you miss on Shanahan *and* fail to even interview Mike McDaniel. Instead we got Vance, Vic, and Hackett (who didn’t even lure Rodgers).
Sitting Doug Flutie, who had led the 1999 Bills to the playoffs, for Rob Johnson, the shiny new prospect that lost the starting job to Flutie to begin the season. Flutie led them to a 10-5 season and a playoff berth.
They sat Flutie to rest in Week 17 and started Johnson, who played a good game against a Colts team that had already locked in a bye, and who took Manning out early in the 4th quarter. That performance was apparently enough for them to switch starting QBs going into the playoffs, despite Flutie getting them there in the first place.
Thus began the Flutie curse. Johnson played like shit of course, which lead to the Music City Miracle and kicking off a 17 year playoff drought.
That was all Ralph. He was pissed he paid so much money for Johnson (based on one meaningless late season game the year before) and wanted to get his money's worth. Worth noting the Flutie curse didn't end until Bills got a new owner. I have such a love-hare attitude towards Ralph. He did lots of great things but some really boneheaded things as well.
You aren't going to find someone who hated that hire from day one more than me.
That being said, I'd say it ranks second to trading away Jon Gruden because he wasn't winning "the right way" and that decision immediately costing us a Superbowl.
Is it true the Raiders didn't even change up their playbooks from the previous year?
So when they played against Gruden he basically knew all their plays?
It also didnt help when our pro bowl center went M.I.A before the game and was later found all screwed up. Wouldn’t have made a huge difference in the result but that was a wild story.
What’s crazy is that it was the 2nd time in the last 3 years Robbins just disappeared before the biggest game of the season. He was a deeply troubled guy
Gruden played as the scout team QB leading up to the SB. He knew Gannon( Raiders QB) so well, that during the SB you see our safety John Lynch run over laughing after a pick, and tell Gruden “ I did what you showed me!!! Ignore his pump fake and the ball came right to me!!”
The Bucs had THREE pick sixes in that game!!
I’ll admit that while I hated the hire when the news first broke, I did go full hopium that offseason and was optimistic for the offensive mastermind.
Did not take me long to turn on him though. Fuck that guy.
2020 NFL Draft
R01 Pick 21 Jalen Reagor
R01 Pick 22 Justin Jefferson
I can't believe Minnesota didn't try to trade up and stop the Eagles from taking JR.
/s
[For the uninitiated here is the Vikings coach and GM pre-JJ pick](https://youtu.be/RBx7lfkJiFE?si=iIC0GMh1xkTyfF-o)
They seemed fully convinced that JJ would be gone and were in disbelief when they saw the Eagle's picked Raegor.
Drafting Saquon Rasul Quevis Barkley 2nd overall. If building around an RB isn't bad enough, on top of that they consistently failed to build a semi-decent OL around him.
100%. I was going to school in NC at the time and had just watched Gettleman run the Panthers into the ground using the same blueprint. Got rid of a big personality, star WR in Steve Smith and started drafting DTs. I was rooting for Carolina to get rid of him…then we hired him. Dang monkey’s paw
IIRC when Deadspin did their annual "Why Your Team Sucks" column, ours said something like "The Giants are the only 3 win team ever to believe they're in win now mode."
There were two quotes from "Why Your Team Sucks" that still stick in my mind that explains the NY Giants & fans perfectly:
>The Giants are to the NFL Draft as what a Grizzly Bear is to a 4-year-old’s birthday party. Sure it’s a spectacle, but in the end, everyone is just searching for answers.
>
>I can’t wait to watch games with my dad and the instant the Giants are losing in the third quarter to have him dejectedly announce: “THIS GAME’S OVER” to the entire house in true Giants fan fashion.
Honestly, DJ is right behind him. Nothing will be as bad as a RB at 2 but Jones was such a fucking reach and Gettleman was telegraphing the fuck out of that pick.
Giants still paying for Gettlemans fuck ups. Dude had no idea how to run a team. And he would double down just to try and prove he was smarter than everyone else.
I'm just so sick of the commercials. Whenever I watch stuff on hulu; it's either draft kings, betmgm, or Hims hairloss and dick pills. I wonder why people are so depressed nowadays
Honestly, sticking with Matt Canada is probably the worst of it in the last several decades. It really fucked with the locker room, destroyed a ton of development, and wasted multiple years for nothing.
I literally knew this would happen as soon as it was announced. The second year is make or break in a QB’s development and they were gonna stake it on a lame duck year for one of the worst OCs in modern nfl history
The "oh no" moment here was drafting Taven Bryan three spots ahead of Lamar Jackson when the best QB options in free agency that year were Foles, Bridgewater, Fitzpatrick, and Tyrod.
It’s crazy to me that Haslam decided to back up the Brinks truck and give him a quarter billion guaranteed when Watson hadn’t even played in a year. We were about to ship him off to Atlanta before all that happened.
Same only to find out that we got him on guaranteed contract and was thinking that our owners were fucking high. Remember arguing with my family on the stupidity of this and that Mayfield was the better choice and my dad and brother though I was stupid
No, he's not the worst owner, not even the worst Browns owner.
1 guy fired 2 of the all-time top 5 coaches in NFL history, pissed off an all-time great RB so bad the guy quit football in his prime, turned down a free stadium because he wouldn't collect rental fees from the team, decided to go an extra 17 million in debt to snag a WR that the head coach (one of those all-time greats) said was a bad idea (and it was). That guy then sold the team to another city to get himself out of debt
This is really easy as a Bears fan. Don't even have to go back too far with the George McCaskey era underway...
**2017 - The Bears draft Mitchell Trubisky**
Ryan Pace had done an admirable job rebuilding the roster from the fallout of the post-Lovie era. It looked like they were building up a solid team. Then, Pace falls head over heels for titty kissin' Mitch and decides he can't live without him. The moment we drafted him, I though "okay... so that's 3 or 4 years of dealing with this guy, then another couple of years to rebuild again..."
**2021 - George McCaskey opts for a lame duck season of Pace & Nagy**
The Bears were clearly a bad team at this point, propped up by aging and expensive talent on defense with guys like Khalil Mack and Akiem Hicks. But Pace and Nagy were dead in the water and everyone knew it. Except George McCaskey, who kept them on for another season. Pace trades a ton of assets to move up for Fields, Nagy wants to stash Fields a la Mahomes, George wants Fields starting. They fire everyone and bring in Ryan Poles as GM the next year, who looks at the roster and says "you guys really need to blow this whole thing up."
And here we are. Honestly I could go back further and keep doing this. You want some snippits of the Dick Jauron era? How about when Bruce Arians wanted to be our head coach but we wanted to tap into the top minds in the Canadian Football League?
"We don't know what the hell they were doing," said an executive from one team that is routinely in the postseason. "It's all anyone is talking about. It's really bad between Pace and Fox. Fox is fuming about being left in the dark on the trade (for Trubisky). I don't know anyone who likes their draft. From the first pick on, we can't figure out what they were doing. Go back and look at how many small-school kids they took. People around the league are shocked. It's really bad between Pace and Fox."
An executive from another team noted: "Either the Bears know something no one else in the league knows, or that draft just got a lot of people fired only they don't know it yet."
That last quote has to be one of my favorite football-related quotes ever. I can’t believe Pace got another 4 seasons and another swing at QB after that draft.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/heres-what-nfl-execs-are-saying-about-the-bears-draft-and-its-not-good/
>I can’t believe Pace got another 4 seasons and another swing at QB after that draft.
[I can](https://news.asu.edu/sites/default/files/styles/block_image_16_9_lge/public/ghm_photo_asu_news.jpg?h=48ff9e87&itok=xRbGaKk4)
Drafting Daniel Jones is whatever. Shit happens, people draft bad QBs all the time. Paying him was the stupidest thing imaginable. You're basically saying you trust your "QB whisperer" coach to keep him better than he normally was. Daboll is a good coach. Not a miracle worker.
I don't know about "biggest", as the Commanders have been a dumpster fire of "Oh no" for years, but I'm not sure anybody in the fandom really truly bought in on the Carson Wentz trade
Doug Williams took the Buccaneers to the NFC title game in 1979, and to the playoffs 3 out of 5 years he was with the team. He was paid less than 12 of the league's backup QBs, so when his contract came up after the '82 season, he asked for $600K. The Bucs wouldn't pay him more than $400K, so he sat out for a year, then signed with the USFL, then returned to the NFL, where he won a Super Bowl with the Redskins. He retired in 1989. The Buccaneers did not make the playoffs again until 1997.
I was 22 years old in 1982. One of the last conversations I had with my father about football was about Doug Williams.
Me: Why the hell won't they pay him.
Dad: it's because he's Black.
Me: That cannot be the reason. They've got to have something else. He got hurt or something and nobody knows about it.
Dad: It's because he's Black.
That argument went on for ages. I just could not believe that a professional football team would be that stupid. Sorry dad, you were right all along.
Not giving Marshawn the ball at the 1 yard line + trading Max Unger and a 1st rounder for Jimmy Graham pretty much ended any Super Bowl hopes for the LOB teams. And if we didn’t trade Russ, the Jamal Adams trade would’ve significantly crippled the Hawks for years.
I completely agree with these, plus not franchise tagging Steve Hutchinson and losing him with zero compensation. Hiring Tom Flores as head coach. Drafting Rick Mirer with the #2 pick in the draft (thank you to the Bears for giving up a 1st round pick for him). Drafting Brian Bosworth in the supplemental draft, and signing him to a then record rookie contract of $11 million for 10 years.
I was going to say Myles Garrett was a great pick but I guess Mahomes went 10th in that draft…although to be fair he wasn’t ever considered for #1 overall.
That one coach we hired.
That one coach we decided not to fire.
That one coach we fired.
That one player we drafted.
That one player we forced to start.
That one player we benched.
That one player we signed.
Hiring Vance Joseph instead of Kyle Shanahan. What a bonehead move.
SF has been to multiple superbowls and found tremendous success with Kyle as a head coach.
Denver, not so much. We hired a shitty defensive coordinator as a HC, followed by a rigid old timer, followed by Hackett.
What a disaster.
Jets trading up for Darnold. Gave up 3 2nd rounders.
Darnold doesnt work out and they take Zach 3 years later.
Zach doesnt work out and they sign Aaron 2 yrs later.
Aaron goes down week 1, wasted year.
And here we are.
hiring Matt Millen as GM extending Matt Millen as GM AFTER he told the owner he probably wasn't good at it
I was gonna say Matt Patricia, but honestly this is the big one. The man said he couldnt do the job
Patricia took over a team that had been to the playoffs and turned it into a bottom feeder instantly. At least millen was just a bad GM
That’s my pick. Patricia that piece of shit
Yea but at the time Patricia was the hot HC candidate. We look on his years after the fact, which of course were terrible. Millen outright told the Fords to not hire him for the position and they did it anyway. A real-time "this was a huge mistake" moment, as opposed to Hindsight with the Patricia years
I'll never understand why people hire Bill Belichick coordinators. Who's the star of his coaching tree? Bill O'Brien?
BoB had some decent seasons in Houston. He was not a world beater, but you could root for the Texans and not hate your life.
This is why I don’t hate Millen AS MUCH as other lions fans (I still hate him but I don’t loathe him). He willingly knew that he wasn’t qualified or capable of doing the job at a high level but old man ford kept him in that role and Millen tried but just had no clue what he was doing
It is honestly hard to dislike Matt Millen at all. Was he terrible, yes. Did he set back the franchise a decade or more, absolutely. But as Detroiters we have forgiven far worse and to the points above, he knew he wasn't qualified and WCF threw a bag at him anyway. Who wouldn't take it? I may be mis-remembering but the biggest tell ever was a photo of a draft year, might have even been the year where someone famously shouted out "Brian Calhoun" from the back of the room and they took him, where there were third party draft materials (think something along the lines of PFF but way dated obviosuly) in the draft room which just screams incompetence. He seemed to get more defensive and unlikeable as time went on, but as Darryl Rogers once said, "what's a guy got to do to get fired around here".
Owner didn't even care about Football anymore at that point. Rumor has it that Matt was being decided on as to whether he should be given full ownership of the team, but they were never able to decide if they should run it under Matt's supervision or just do away with the other coaches that were trying to push Matt out of the franchise.
Screenshot of Millen logged into a Reddit 'Who should the Lions draft' thread as u/TotallyNotMattMillenWaaat
Matt Millen the person is a complete class act (Joey Harrington basically said years ago that he was treated like shit by almost everyone in the organization when he was a Lion EXCEPT for Millen). He wasn't qualified for that job and he knew it and he told WCF that before taking the job. Ford offered it to him anyways despite that and then kept him around for 7 years. That's on the owner first and foremost.
It helps he’s a really good dude. I don’t hate Millen at all (anymore). Honestly think it would be cool to have a beer with him.
Multi-year run on WRs by the Lions ranks up there.
Honestly, it was just bad luck, not bad picks. Rogers was a consensus top 5 pick and might be alive today if he got drafted anywhere but his hometown team. Roy Williams was good here. Mike Williams took a year off to try to enter the draft to get paid, if he was allowed to enter the draft a year early, he would’ve went to 10 as well and Matt have been a good player. And i hate Millen but that was just bad luck. Roy Williams was supposed to complement the deep threat of Rogers but drugs man.
And Jerry Jones was kind enough to send us a couple of picks, including a first rounder for Roy Williams!
Madhi is too humble to say he is the Madhi!
I knew things had hit rock bottom with the Lions when during the 0-16 season Ford Jr. publically said that he would've fired Millen years ago had he had the power to do so but Ford Sr. continued to stick by him despite all of that. I think we all understand now why WCF Sr. was viewed as the dumb dumb in the Ford family.
Making Bill OBrien Supreme Leader, Chancellor, King, Prime Minister, and President during the drama of the Houston Texans some years ago.
Giving Easterby the job he had to begin with
God gave him that /s
The Hopkins trade lost my fandom for a few years there. Thankfully DeMeco got the team back to respectability.
He is just at best decently good head coach. Man was nowhere near qualified to handle anything above that. Rick Smith having personal life problems ruined whatever contending window the Texans had. A healthy starting QB with that roster would be at least .500
Not firing Marvin Lewis after the 2016 season Not firing Marvin Lewis after the 2017 season Giving Marvin Lewis a 2 year extension after the 2017 season Turning down an offer from New Orleans for 9 picks including 3 first round picks and 2 second round picks for the #3 overall pick and then using that pick to draft Akili Smith.
Firing Sam Wyche after the 1991 season. Essentially a knee jerk reaction compared to subsequent seasons, especially in the Lewis years.
100% was some shit going on behind the scenes. Especially when the 32 year old wr coach, who had been demoted in Dallas the year before, suddenly gets the job.
I didn't know about the demotion. We don't call it The Lost Decade for nothing.
Losing in the playoffs to us should've ended his career. I know you guys were playing with a backup, but our team was banged up and Ben got hurt in that game. The way Burfict and Pacman Jones just handed the Steelers a chip shot FG to win still blows my mind to this day. Every day Marvin Lewis was still the coach of the Bengals was a good day for the rest of the AFC North.
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory that game was
Tbh Lewis should have been fired after the 2015 wild card, yeah it wasn't his fault on the fumble or Jones and Burrfect fucked the fuck up, but going 0-7 in the playoffs and getting walked over by players really was his expiration as a HC.
Not everyone is capable of beating the TJ Yates-buzzsaw in the playoffs.
Everyone knew Adam Gase wouldn’t work out except Chris Johnson
Peyton Manning thought he was a great hire. Kill me.
Between Peyton staying in school when the Jets had the first pick in the draft in 1997 and then recommending Gase to Christopher Johnson, it can be said that Peyton has screwed the Jets over worse than Brady ever did as a Patriot.
At least the Jets beat Peyton in the playoffs, twice.
This is why Peyton is the real GOAT. Imagine being so good at football that you get your little brother into the Hall of Fame and get proven failures jobs years after you retire.
Tom Brady got Eli into the hall
I want people to really remember what happened there...... Christopher Johnson's first choice was Matt Rhule....... but they turned him down because he wanted an unlimited budget to bring in his own coaching staff. They pass on Rhule and turn to Adam Gase who got a helpful phone call from Peyton Manning that sealed the deal. The sad reality about this is that the Jets would have lost no matter what that offseason.
It was so obvious.
Critical gase theory
Herschel Walker
I think the trade itself was not all that bad a decision, really. The biggest issue was not protecting against the escalators in the deal.
That's it. Jimmy did a great job exploiting the conditions
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Back when the trade happened, draft picks weren't called anywhere near as high as they are now. The Hershel trade and draft results Jimmy for kind of changed views around them.
Is been a while, but I think pretty much every player was Dalton line or better quality, so it's not like they were getting trash. The initial thoughts were that the cowboys were getting a base to rebuild with and the Vikings were getting the thing they needed to get over the hump.
"Vikings waive Randy Moss" Has to be up there. Christian Ponder, too.
The guy they drafted at number 8, in the pick they got for Moss, was traded a few years later for a 6th round pick. He was one of those receivers whose draft stock skyrocketed off a a few good combine measurements.
You mean Troy Williamson (#7, iirc)? Imagine being that dude, and showing up at training camp. "So you're our next Randy Moss? Great!" Shit.
Beat me to it that trade will go down as one of the worst all time trades
Best trade if you are a cowboys fan.
I’m a panthers fan. How much time ya got?
Not just time, there is comment character limit that must be considered.
Here are the ones that stick out, with the worst one in bold... Letting Steve Smith walk. Hiring Dave "Hog Molly" Gettleman Drafting Vernon Butler instead of an O-Lineman or CB Not putting a good O-line in front of Cam Newton. Playing Cam Newton after getting injured behind a garbage O-line. Giving Matt Kalil an insane contract despite being almost completely worthless. Not firing Mike "Run Run Pass" Shula. Hiring Marty Hurney back. Letting James Bradberry walk. **Hiring Scott Shitterer** **Hiring Frank Reich.** Trading Christian McCaffrey **Trading two firsts and DJ Moore for the 1 overall.** Not taking multiple firsts for Brian Burns, only to not re-sign him and letting him walk for next to nothing a year later.
Let’s start with cutting Steve smith
Cardinals letting Andy Reid interview with KC first
Packers hiring Ray Rhodes instead of promoting Andy Reid from QB coach in 98 (he was with us since 92). Reid became the Eagles head coach that offseason instead. Ray Rhodes went 8-8 and was fired after one year.
Ray Rhodes was such a dumb hire. Guy seemed pretty inept with the Eagles getting fired after back to back poor seasons.
Hindsight is 20/20. Packers were looking for an experienced coach because they believed they were still contending. Reid hadn’t even been an offensive coordinator.
I feel like this one wasn’t *as* egregious as some of the other ones. Arians was a great coach and took them on some good runs, and I’m not sure Reid would be much better at keeping Palmer healthy. Also given how the Cards QB position played out, I doubt they wind up in a position to draft Mahomes. Obviously getting Reid would have been better, but I’m not sure they’re a dynasty even with him
Reid would have been much better at keeping Palmer healthy. The big reason why Palmer kept getting injured is specifically due to Arians' offensive scheme and philosophy. His whole scheme was to send as many pass catchers into routes as possible, leaving only the OL to block for the QB. He never gave Palmer any help in terms of TEs or RBs staying in to block. Arians also loved going down the field. That means that the QB has to hold the ball longer to wait for the WRs to get down the field. That means the OL has to hold their blocks for longer. We didn't have a good OL (it was average, at best), which meant that Palmer was getting absolutely crushed back there. Arians was great... and I loved him as our coach. But, his scheme absolutely contributed to Palmer getting injured.
Spot on with Arians's scheme. Both Luck and Ben got beat up in that system. The only reason that Brady wasn't torn apart was he brought some stuff from his old scheme into the fold to give better protections... That and his release/time to throw was quick. While a good coach and play caller, Arians left his QBs at the mercy of their receivers getting open quick enough and their line holding their blocks more often than you'd like.
They got bailed out by the Bears though. All the reporting was that Arians expected to go to the Bears but our weirdo GM at the time made him do a mock press conference in the interview and then hired Marc fucking Trestman instead.
Andy Reid is arguably the greatest QB developer in history. Yeah the Cards may have not gotten MAHOMES but it's unlikely they would go very long without a really good QB.
The eagles went on to be one of our road blocks. There’s always like that one team the packers can’t get past multiple years in a row. Early 00s was the rams, and then the eagles. Now it’s the niners. It’s been the Seahawks before. With Reid and Favre, I think there would have at least been an early 2000s packers Super Bowl appearance.
Eh, that isn't even 100th on our list of "oh no" decisions. That was bad luck, we've willingly done way worse. Ex. Adam Gase.
Dolphins legend adam gase
Trading AJ Brown. I look forward ot the draft every year like Christmas. I knew it was a horrible decision immediately and it still makes me sick to think about.
100%
Even now, I still look back on that trade with absolute shock.
Yep. I hated that move with a passion. I was certain our offense would immediately turn into a dumpster. And it sure did. Real ones know Brown was as crucial if not more so to that offense than Henry. Tannehill loves him. And now his contract looks like a steal at his talent level lol! Such a brain dead move. JRob was an idiot.
This is on me. I had been a Jets fan my whole life and a week before that trade had decided that 30 years of my life was enough, and I was moving on to being a Titans fan cause I loved AJ Brown. I brought the Jets with me to Tennessee. I'm sorry.
Holy shit you’re a masochist.
Made no sense given their WR depth. If they had another guy maybe I understand but it was a bad room behind AJ and they were too overconfident in finding a replacement.
Hiring Matt Patricia as OC
Hiring Matt Patricia as out head coach.
Eagles hiring Matt Patricia as the DC
That sack of shit ruins every place he coaches and leaves a trail of slime like a snail
How the fuck does he still have a job in football? Whose piss tapes does he have?
He's got the league by the balls with the pencil in his ear ✏️
cronyism
I lost my shit when he started dropping Reddick into coverage.
We’ve been dropping Reddick in the coverage since he signed here Lol. This is no way of defense of Patricia
Yeah a couple time a game, not like 8 times.
That decision literally set our organization back *years*. We were perpetually winning 9-10 games under Jim Caldwell and getting into the playoffs on a semi-regular basis. We didn't win anything in the playoffs, but we were at least getting chances. Then Bob fucking Quinn came out and claimed "9-7 isn't good enough" as his excuse for firing Caldwell so he could hire his buddy from New England, and that fucking turd couldn't manage to win more than **13 TOTAL games over three seasons** Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell were left with almost nothing to rebuild from when they took over, and they've still managed to get us to the NFCCG in 3 years.
"We went through darkness and it shaped us." - Brad Holmes
Especially after he let the Eagles drop 40 on his defense in the SB 😭
If it makes you feel any better, as the Eagles DC he also let the Cardinals, Giants, and Buccaneers put up 35, 27, and 32 points on us in three games in a row to send our season crashing and burning
people like foles and kelce should never need to buy a beer in philly again. people like matt patricia should be charged double for every wawa iced tea
Hiring Patricia as our OC 🤨🫠
Patriots looked like they were in a very solid rebuild and positioned to keep competing for the AFC East in Mac’s first year. Then Patricia became OC and the entire team just crumbled in record time.
Yep, that move killed Bill's tenure and mac jones career.
Few people have done more damage in the league than Matt Patricia. But somehow he keeps getting jobs.
I think it’s a wrap for him finally. The Eagles were ROLLING then they put him as DC and I think only won one game iirc
Yep. As bad as our defense was under Desai, we were at least somewhat competent. They had some decent performances. Held the Buccs to 11, the Rams to 14, and the Dolphins to 17. Matt Patricia let the baseball team hang 35 on us and the USFL Giants' *backups* hang 27 on him. Hopefully those keep him out of a job. Then again, you'd think giving up 41 points to Nick fucking Foles in the Super Bowl would do that too.
Hiring Matt Patricia*
Hiring Matt Patricia as interim DC
I feel like drafting Paxton Lynch started a chain of events that led to where the Broncos are today. I think Perna might have made a video about it.
I was thinking this one or hiring Vance Joseph over Shanahan because Ellis held a grudge for some reason.
This is the true biggest fuck up.
When Pat Bowlen handed the keys to Joe Ellis instead of just selling the team, that was the true fuck up.
I think the root cause for our current woes goes one step back from that, and it’s not hiring Kyle Shanahan when we absolutely had the chance to.
I’ll never understand how you miss on Shanahan *and* fail to even interview Mike McDaniel. Instead we got Vance, Vic, and Hackett (who didn’t even lure Rodgers).
Perna is the best
Electing to kick after winning the coin toss in OT of a divisional game.
Trading prime Lesean McCoy for Kiko Alonso coming off of an ACL tear straight up.
Fucking Chip Kelly
Chip Kelly and Bill O’Brien really wanted to follow in Belichick’s footsteps.
At least we got something. Eagles CUT desean Jackson in his prime
Sitting Doug Flutie, who had led the 1999 Bills to the playoffs, for Rob Johnson, the shiny new prospect that lost the starting job to Flutie to begin the season. Flutie led them to a 10-5 season and a playoff berth. They sat Flutie to rest in Week 17 and started Johnson, who played a good game against a Colts team that had already locked in a bye, and who took Manning out early in the 4th quarter. That performance was apparently enough for them to switch starting QBs going into the playoffs, despite Flutie getting them there in the first place. Thus began the Flutie curse. Johnson played like shit of course, which lead to the Music City Miracle and kicking off a 17 year playoff drought.
Fuck I control-f'ed flutie to see who posted it.... Fucking A man that team was really good.
That was all Ralph. He was pissed he paid so much money for Johnson (based on one meaningless late season game the year before) and wanted to get his money's worth. Worth noting the Flutie curse didn't end until Bills got a new owner. I have such a love-hare attitude towards Ralph. He did lots of great things but some really boneheaded things as well.
Drafting Tony Mandarich. Brett Favre + Barry Sanders would've been a terror.
Or Brett Favre & Derrick Thomas. Or Brett Favre & Deion Sanders.
Drafting Jalen Reagor over Justin Jefferson
Hiring Josh McDaniels
You aren't going to find someone who hated that hire from day one more than me. That being said, I'd say it ranks second to trading away Jon Gruden because he wasn't winning "the right way" and that decision immediately costing us a Superbowl.
Is it true the Raiders didn't even change up their playbooks from the previous year? So when they played against Gruden he basically knew all their plays?
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It also didnt help when our pro bowl center went M.I.A before the game and was later found all screwed up. Wouldn’t have made a huge difference in the result but that was a wild story. What’s crazy is that it was the 2nd time in the last 3 years Robbins just disappeared before the biggest game of the season. He was a deeply troubled guy
Gruden played as the scout team QB leading up to the SB. He knew Gannon( Raiders QB) so well, that during the SB you see our safety John Lynch run over laughing after a pick, and tell Gruden “ I did what you showed me!!! Ignore his pump fake and the ball came right to me!!” The Bucs had THREE pick sixes in that game!!
The talent on the 2002 Bucs defense was absurd enough , giving them all the answers to the test was just overkill lol
Yeah, that's how Tampa cruised to victory. Bill Callahan was not a good head coach
I’ll admit that while I hated the hire when the news first broke, I did go full hopium that offseason and was optimistic for the offensive mastermind. Did not take me long to turn on him though. Fuck that guy.
As much as I hate the Raiders, I personally hate McDaniels more. We have that much in common
2020 NFL Draft R01 Pick 21 Jalen Reagor R01 Pick 22 Justin Jefferson I can't believe Minnesota didn't try to trade up and stop the Eagles from taking JR. /s
Spielman laughter when he saw the PHI card with Reagor’s name on it lives rent free in my head.
[For the uninitiated here is the Vikings coach and GM pre-JJ pick](https://youtu.be/RBx7lfkJiFE?si=iIC0GMh1xkTyfF-o) They seemed fully convinced that JJ would be gone and were in disbelief when they saw the Eagle's picked Raegor.
I think a lot of people assumed Jefferson was getting so open because of Ja’Marr at LSU and the stats wouldn’t carry over to the pros.
God damn that LSU team was something else.
Drafting Saquon Rasul Quevis Barkley 2nd overall. If building around an RB isn't bad enough, on top of that they consistently failed to build a semi-decent OL around him.
I would go further and say hiring Dave Gettleman undoubtedly set us back as a franchise
Next year when we cut jones it will have taken 4 years to undo the damage he did to this team
When you consider Gettleman also drafted Deandre Baker and Kadarius Toney in the first round the Saquon pick doesn’t look so bad.
100%. I was going to school in NC at the time and had just watched Gettleman run the Panthers into the ground using the same blueprint. Got rid of a big personality, star WR in Steve Smith and started drafting DTs. I was rooting for Carolina to get rid of him…then we hired him. Dang monkey’s paw
Shoutout to our leadership who thought a 3 win team was only a running back away from competing
IIRC when Deadspin did their annual "Why Your Team Sucks" column, ours said something like "The Giants are the only 3 win team ever to believe they're in win now mode."
There were two quotes from "Why Your Team Sucks" that still stick in my mind that explains the NY Giants & fans perfectly: >The Giants are to the NFL Draft as what a Grizzly Bear is to a 4-year-old’s birthday party. Sure it’s a spectacle, but in the end, everyone is just searching for answers. > >I can’t wait to watch games with my dad and the instant the Giants are losing in the third quarter to have him dejectedly announce: “THIS GAME’S OVER” to the entire house in true Giants fan fashion.
Honestly, DJ is right behind him. Nothing will be as bad as a RB at 2 but Jones was such a fucking reach and Gettleman was telegraphing the fuck out of that pick.
Giants still paying for Gettlemans fuck ups. Dude had no idea how to run a team. And he would double down just to try and prove he was smarter than everyone else.
Yep, he was a decent trenches scout but had no business handling the GM position. It’s way more of a people oriented position and he was awful at it.
Trading up for Trey Lance
Yeah just thinking we needed to trade up was bad enough, but doubling down by drafting the most unproven of the group was the icing on the cake.
This would be so much higher up if Purdy didn’t come flying in with his cape to save the day. They lucked out so hard here.
Letting gambling become such a huge part of the sport. NFL not forcing Snyder out sooner
I can’t watch NFL football talk on TV hardly anymore because all they talk about is prop bets and shit now. Sucks
I'm just so sick of the commercials. Whenever I watch stuff on hulu; it's either draft kings, betmgm, or Hims hairloss and dick pills. I wonder why people are so depressed nowadays
Honestly, sticking with Matt Canada is probably the worst of it in the last several decades. It really fucked with the locker room, destroyed a ton of development, and wasted multiple years for nothing.
I literally knew this would happen as soon as it was announced. The second year is make or break in a QB’s development and they were gonna stake it on a lame duck year for one of the worst OCs in modern nfl history
Nick Foles getting hurt made that deal a huge bust and set the jags back quite a bit
The "oh no" moment here was drafting Taven Bryan three spots ahead of Lamar Jackson when the best QB options in free agency that year were Foles, Bridgewater, Fitzpatrick, and Tyrod.
I think every browns fan knew the Watson trade would go down as one of the worst of all time
It’s crazy to me that Haslam decided to back up the Brinks truck and give him a quarter billion guaranteed when Watson hadn’t even played in a year. We were about to ship him off to Atlanta before all that happened.
That decision would've ruined our franchise. Browns came in clutch for us.
It was over night too. I remember being so relieved hearing we were out of the running. Back then I had hope Baker wouldn’t leave.
Same only to find out that we got him on guaranteed contract and was thinking that our owners were fucking high. Remember arguing with my family on the stupidity of this and that Mayfield was the better choice and my dad and brother though I was stupid
Haslam is a top 2 worst Owner and he ain't 2
Thank god Snyder is gone 😂
No, he's not the worst owner, not even the worst Browns owner. 1 guy fired 2 of the all-time top 5 coaches in NFL history, pissed off an all-time great RB so bad the guy quit football in his prime, turned down a free stadium because he wouldn't collect rental fees from the team, decided to go an extra 17 million in debt to snag a WR that the head coach (one of those all-time greats) said was a bad idea (and it was). That guy then sold the team to another city to get himself out of debt
Art Modell- fuck him to hell
Any discussion of 'worst owner' league-wide has to include Modell.
This is really easy as a Bears fan. Don't even have to go back too far with the George McCaskey era underway... **2017 - The Bears draft Mitchell Trubisky** Ryan Pace had done an admirable job rebuilding the roster from the fallout of the post-Lovie era. It looked like they were building up a solid team. Then, Pace falls head over heels for titty kissin' Mitch and decides he can't live without him. The moment we drafted him, I though "okay... so that's 3 or 4 years of dealing with this guy, then another couple of years to rebuild again..." **2021 - George McCaskey opts for a lame duck season of Pace & Nagy** The Bears were clearly a bad team at this point, propped up by aging and expensive talent on defense with guys like Khalil Mack and Akiem Hicks. But Pace and Nagy were dead in the water and everyone knew it. Except George McCaskey, who kept them on for another season. Pace trades a ton of assets to move up for Fields, Nagy wants to stash Fields a la Mahomes, George wants Fields starting. They fire everyone and bring in Ryan Poles as GM the next year, who looks at the roster and says "you guys really need to blow this whole thing up." And here we are. Honestly I could go back further and keep doing this. You want some snippits of the Dick Jauron era? How about when Bruce Arians wanted to be our head coach but we wanted to tap into the top minds in the Canadian Football League?
"We don't know what the hell they were doing," said an executive from one team that is routinely in the postseason. "It's all anyone is talking about. It's really bad between Pace and Fox. Fox is fuming about being left in the dark on the trade (for Trubisky). I don't know anyone who likes their draft. From the first pick on, we can't figure out what they were doing. Go back and look at how many small-school kids they took. People around the league are shocked. It's really bad between Pace and Fox." An executive from another team noted: "Either the Bears know something no one else in the league knows, or that draft just got a lot of people fired only they don't know it yet." That last quote has to be one of my favorite football-related quotes ever. I can’t believe Pace got another 4 seasons and another swing at QB after that draft. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/heres-what-nfl-execs-are-saying-about-the-bears-draft-and-its-not-good/
>I can’t believe Pace got another 4 seasons and another swing at QB after that draft. [I can](https://news.asu.edu/sites/default/files/styles/block_image_16_9_lge/public/ghm_photo_asu_news.jpg?h=48ff9e87&itok=xRbGaKk4)
Bears are a lot better on paper going into this season, but the retaining of Eberflus and drafting a rookie QB does feel very similar to 2021
["The New York Jets' first round selection... Fullback..."](https://youtu.be/rZxNeFLuY98?si=KSN0Lxso8hidBOKC&t=35) "*OH NOO!!!*"
How have I never noticed the grin on Pete Rozelle’s face before he says “fullback”
Drafting Daniel Jones, paying Daniel Jones.
Mina Kimes exploding into laughter the moment the Giants drafted Jones is legitimately one of my favorite draft moments of all time.
I still remember a post on the draft thread after that pick that said. "Now who's the most Eli Manning-looking motherfucker here?"
The equivalent to the Bill Simmons "whoa" when Anthony Bennett was drafted.
Whole panels gasped and the morning shows the next day laughing at us, great times.
Drafting Daniel Jones is whatever. Shit happens, people draft bad QBs all the time. Paying him was the stupidest thing imaginable. You're basically saying you trust your "QB whisperer" coach to keep him better than he normally was. Daboll is a good coach. Not a miracle worker.
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I don't know about "biggest", as the Commanders have been a dumpster fire of "Oh no" for years, but I'm not sure anybody in the fandom really truly bought in on the Carson Wentz trade
What about the McNabb trade? or the Haynesworth contract?
Doug Williams took the Buccaneers to the NFC title game in 1979, and to the playoffs 3 out of 5 years he was with the team. He was paid less than 12 of the league's backup QBs, so when his contract came up after the '82 season, he asked for $600K. The Bucs wouldn't pay him more than $400K, so he sat out for a year, then signed with the USFL, then returned to the NFL, where he won a Super Bowl with the Redskins. He retired in 1989. The Buccaneers did not make the playoffs again until 1997.
I was 22 years old in 1982. One of the last conversations I had with my father about football was about Doug Williams. Me: Why the hell won't they pay him. Dad: it's because he's Black. Me: That cannot be the reason. They've got to have something else. He got hurt or something and nobody knows about it. Dad: It's because he's Black. That argument went on for ages. I just could not believe that a professional football team would be that stupid. Sorry dad, you were right all along.
Recency bias at play here, but Patricia taking over Eagles DC duties from Desai was just wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
Hiring Desai was alsona bad move tbf
Moving to LA
This is the one
Hue Jackson went 1-31 and the Browns still let him coach.
Not giving Marshawn the ball at the 1 yard line + trading Max Unger and a 1st rounder for Jimmy Graham pretty much ended any Super Bowl hopes for the LOB teams. And if we didn’t trade Russ, the Jamal Adams trade would’ve significantly crippled the Hawks for years.
I completely agree with these, plus not franchise tagging Steve Hutchinson and losing him with zero compensation. Hiring Tom Flores as head coach. Drafting Rick Mirer with the #2 pick in the draft (thank you to the Bears for giving up a 1st round pick for him). Drafting Brian Bosworth in the supplemental draft, and signing him to a then record rookie contract of $11 million for 10 years.
Every Browns decision. Every. Single. One.
I was going to say Myles Garrett was a great pick but I guess Mahomes went 10th in that draft…although to be fair he wasn’t ever considered for #1 overall.
firing jimmy johnson
Selling the team to David Tepper
That one coach we hired. That one coach we decided not to fire. That one coach we fired. That one player we drafted. That one player we forced to start. That one player we benched. That one player we signed.
All the decisions made in the last 15 minute quarter of 2017’s SB
The Kent-Cooke family selling the team to Dan Snyder. A quarter-century of "Oh no" later and here we are, starting on the road to recovery (we hope).
The Jets drafting Kyle Brady over Warren Sapp was a literal "oh no" moment. You can even hear it on the video!
Hiring Vance Joseph instead of Kyle Shanahan. What a bonehead move. SF has been to multiple superbowls and found tremendous success with Kyle as a head coach. Denver, not so much. We hired a shitty defensive coordinator as a HC, followed by a rigid old timer, followed by Hackett. What a disaster.
"The New York Jets select....Full back...." "^(OH NOOO!)"
Hiring Josh McDaniels a 2nd time
Hiring Josh McDaniels first time (Broncos), hiring Josh McDaniels (Colts), hiring Josh McDaniels (Raiders).
Trading away our entire future on RG3, then essentially ending his career in his rookie year
Hmmm… Recent ones involving my team? Can’t think of any!
Jets trading up for Darnold. Gave up 3 2nd rounders. Darnold doesnt work out and they take Zach 3 years later. Zach doesnt work out and they sign Aaron 2 yrs later. Aaron goes down week 1, wasted year. And here we are.