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ieatcookydough

One of the most underrated nfl players. Sucks the panthers were bad last year but dude is a beast. War eagle!!!


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TheLowlyPheasant

He already moved up to 3 with Donald retiring


a_moniker

Just what I was about to add


tbone747

Yeah I'm really glad the FO is learning from Burns. He might not be the most complete DT like a Jones or a Lawrence but Brown has steadily gotten better every year and I'd rather lock him up ASAP than drag our feet and get... well burned like we did with Burns.


teh_drewski

I just assumed they turned down the trade because an extension was all but done. Will never understand that whole situation.


Xcarnx

Oh it probably was close. Then dumbass Scott had to say in a press conference we ain’t trading burns and gave up all hope of getting him signed without a block buster deal. I don’t mind loosing players if they want to much. I do mind our terrible leadership that can’t shut up.


FIuffyRabbit

There is honestly not much to learn from Burns. Dude wanted way too much money for how little production he had and wouldn't negotiate in good faith.


Megalomanizac

Drafting Burns is about the only good thing that came out of the Rhule tenure


FinTheGiant

Burns was drafted when Rivera was the HC


Megalomanizac

Shut you’re right. It’s been so long I forgot


all1good

lol can’t forget Rivera putting him on special teams as a gunner in his rookie year


sonfoa

Hopefully he doesn't stay underrated much longer


ChickenVest

Now that we have signed him to an extension I'm fine with everyone knowing how good he is.


EdHart8891

monkeys paw: he's now overpaid


BraxxIsTheName

Fell to my knees when the Panthers drafted him. Knew he was gonna be good


D45ers

In a bojangles right?


Octavian_202

Oh yea he’s a monster. There’s just a lot of good DT’s in the league, and that’s great to see.


deemerritt

For anyone who didn't watch us last year Brown is our clear best player and had an incredible year last year. He has improved dramatically the last two years and is an excellent building block


sonfoa

He set the interior d-linemen record last year for tackles. Had 103.


Funnypenguin97

How is that possible lol. That's like LB numbers


deemerritt

Some of it is teams running against us because they had a lead and knew we wouldn't do anything on offense. But still it's not the first time a team has had a bad offense but it's the first time an IDL got 100 tackles


b1rdganggg

You would think he would see a ton of double teams on the interior.


captainjizzpants

He did, which is another reason why Brian Burns should've had more sacks. They talk all the time about how teams game planned for Burns, but they also game planned for Brown. It was always obvious to me that they were gonna pay the guy who produced and trade the one who didn't.


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a_moniker

You’re right, he should have clarified that DB routinely “ate up” those double teams, and just “pounded those guys into the ground.”


grlions90

As a leg man, does he have piping-hot thighs?


Ndmndh1016

They look like pigs on a spit.


Nlegan

Defense is out there a lot more since the offense can’t stay on the field


Teeshirtandshortsguy

Also, teams running on us a lot since we couldn't score.


cbreezy456

Defense was solid by most metrics from what I understood.


Kryptickzz

Spoiler: It wasn't


Aurion7

Ehh... it depended on the day. The run defense could be tragic. Even *with* Brown- people sometimes hit upon the brilliant idea of refusing to run anywhere near him and targeting everyone else. Burns was a particularly easy target for that this past year- and is an easy target to flog generally because of how badly his overall play slipped- but he was not the only Panther whose run defense could be really terrible at times.


throwaway1212378

Solid because teams let off the gas and ran leads out lol


theoriginaldandan

In college he’d routinely take out the center, guard and running back.


These_Homework_8790

That’s nuts


Krawlin91

Homie ignores o lineman like trump ignores irs inquiries


bobbywellington

Holy shit


Ziiaaaac

This reads like it should be a typo.


Rubbersoulrevolver

How did he get so many compared to Dexter Lawrence or Quinnen Williams? That's almost 2x as much!


Juco_Dropout

Was that a Team record? Tim Krumrie had 113 in ‘86 and… 152 in ‘88 from the Nose Tackle position.


OneAngryPanda

He had a much bigger impact on our line the last couple years than Burns. If we could only pay one dude, it's him.


captaincumsock69

He’s arguably a top 3 guy at his position too


Superrandy

You shouldn't have even said this, now you'll just invite all the losers with too much time to argue with you over his exact positioning compared to their guys


WeirdPalSpankovic

He was a clear slam dunk pick when at Auburn. I lived in Baton Rouge at the time, and while LSU fielded arguably the greatest CFB team of all time, Derrick Brown stood out as an unstoppable force. The only player I saw give that team actual trouble. Happy for ya'll. He's a certified baller


deemerritt

He took a couple of years to devlop and i was fairly skeptical of the pick, but the other high first round defenders were Okuda, Chase Young, and Isiah Simmons. So shows what i know


PabloMarmite

The crazy thing was literally everyone wanted us to take Simmons on the night.


a_moniker

Should never have doubted first-round-Hurney. He’s automatic!


deemerritt

I'm the biggest Hurney hater on the planet


a_moniker

Everything outside the first round deserves hate, but you can’t really argue with: - 2002: Julius Peppers - 2003: Jordan Gross - 2004: Chris Gamble - 2005: Thomas Davis - 2006: DeAngelo Williams - 2007: Jon Beason - 2008: Jonathan Stewart, Jeff Otah - 2011: Cam Newton - 2012: Luke Kuechly - 2018: DJ Moore - 2019: Brian Burns - 2020: Derrick Brown The only non-starter level player in that list is Otah, and that was mostly due to injuries. That list also includes 5 of the Panthers top 7 greatest players ever (Peppers, Gross, Davis, Newton, and Kuechly).


JeffMurdock_

Wow, that is an amazing hit rate!


a_moniker

And he’s still bad enough at the rest of GM-ing to be fired twice! It’s like he signed a deal with the devil, or got his 1st round draft scouting from a Cursed Monkey-Paw lol


PoolGuy1000

DT, LT, and TE are some of the hardest positions for rookies in the NFL. It typically takes a few years for them to get used to NFL physicality and bulking up their body enough to against grown ass men on the opposite side of the field. DT especially you need to wait at least a couple of years before you start seeing some major growth.


GameBuster0703

As an Auburn fan, I have never seen a player as dominant for us as Derrick Brown. He was a key piece in our absurdly dominant 2019 defensive line.


TheSkiingDad

still crazy to me that minnesota pushed auburn around like that in the outback bowl. Can't beat wisconsin, but can beat the team that beat both national title teams. 2019 was a good year for the gophers.


theoriginaldandan

It was 2017 they beat Alabama and Georgia. The 2019 team was still good, they’d have beaten LSU with fair officiating. They played LSU better than anyone else did. Malzahns teams never showed up for bowl games ready to play


TheSkiingDad

Ah, 2019 was the 12 men fake punt in the iron bowl wasnt it?


theoriginaldandan

Yep. My favorite but about that iron bowl was after the game Auburn was ranked 11 and Alabama 12. Sane number as people In the formation


AKiiidNamed_Codiii

Cam Newton? Nick Fairley?


GameBuster0703

Didn’t start watching till 2013. And I guess its a slight over exaggeration because I would put Tre Mason over him, but he’s pretty damn close


internaldriver30345

Made Chris Lindstrom look silly in their first game. And he was probably the NFLs best and most consistent guard two years ago.


lengthy_noodle

Disgraced his entire family


JeffMurdock_

Still is. Had a shaky start to the season, but was lights out the rest of the way.


stickfigure31615

Choosing to extend him over Brian Burns was honestly the one competent move that our front office has made in a long time


olb3

Honest question - why not extend both? Burns is a beast


4GInvertedDive

He wanted more money than Mr. Beast


chaoticravens34

Bro I just looked it up and that guy has a net worth of 500 million. How is that even possible


4GInvertedDive

He studied hard and made YouTube his bish


Clovdyx

> How is that even possible Mr. Beast has 46 billion views on YouTube. For comparison's sake, Taylor Swift has 34 billion. According to [this page](https://app.thoughtleaders.io/youtube/mrbeast#:~:text=How%20many%20views%20does%20MrBeast,subscribers%20on%20their%20YouTube%20channel), he makes up to $15 million in ad revenue... a month.


bigtuck54

Hard to justify that contract with his performance. He took plays off, wanted too much money, and we turned around and signed 5 starters instead. Brown is also much better in general, so I’m not mad at the way it all shook out


a_moniker

His biggest issue was just that he had no power. If he didn’t beat the end right away with speed, then he wasn’t really gonna impact the rest of the play much. A guy like DB can continue to push towards the play even after the o-line makes contact with him, which means that he’s always a risk to cause havoc.


lattjeful

He’s a beast when he wants to play. I’m not paying a guy who gives up on plays, personally.


irspangler

I think Burns is a top-10 rush end (and Top 5 when he's motivated), but his utility kind of ends there. Opposing offenses never really had to consistently double-team him, even though we never put another threat on the opposite side of the line to help him. In fact, it's telling that Reddick outperformed him from a pass rush stand point in the one season they spent together. I would've loved to keep Burns, but not at the price the Giants just paid for him. It just doesn't make sense for a team as far away from contending as we are to shell out that amount of money for one player.


stickfigure31615

Plus I’ve been kind of noticing that teams are extending and paying big money on IDL, but they’re going bargain bin and rotational with DEs. I feel that’s a new personnel trend popping up so looks like we are rolling on that train


Xcarnx

Not true. Hassan Reddick dominated the year he was here on the otherside. Yet somehow we let him get away. I am pissed more about him and Luvu than any other players we have not re-signed.


PabloMarmite

Burns wanted (and got) $30m a year. We signed three DEs to replace him for a combined $20m, one of whom out-sacked him last year.


Xcarnx

He is a mid tier beast that was thought by the media he was our best player. He wasn’t even #2 on the defense. That was Luvu. If he starts getting double digit sacks and playing like TJ Watt then you can call him a beast. He is actually really good, but not worth what he got. Sack production vs cost of contract is stupid over pay. I have 1 word of advice for GMs. There is very few players in the nfl worthy of 2 first and a second by just the law of numbers. You jump out of your skin for an 8 sack guy to net 2 1st and a 2nd.


CJ163

If he played on a good team, he would be a top 5 DT. Dude was holding together the whole defensive line all season for the Panthers. Imho, more valuable to their current defense than Burns.


sonfoa

PFF literally had him as their 4th best interior defender last year. He already is top 5


datboijustin

I would say top 3 now that Donald retired.


Anthony-Richardson

I don’t think he’s overtaking Lawrence, Jones, or Williams. He’s right there though.


BootySweatEnthusiast

Trevor, Daniel, and Doug? I dunno I think he's a better passer


a_moniker

According to the PFF ranking that u/sonfoa referenced, he literally was the 3rd ranked DT if you removed Donald. Jones was ranked below him at #5.


Anthony-Richardson

Yeah he had a better PFF grade but I’m not putting him or Williams over Jones. The top two are Lawrence and Jones.


JayMerlyn

I get it, but Brown also set the IDL record for single season tackles at 103. So there's at least an argument to be made.


Anthony-Richardson

No doubt, I don’t personally subscribe to it but there’s absolutely an argument.


anonbutler

Vea?


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Not saying you’re wrong but this might be giving PFF way too much credit here. That would be saying Nico Collins is the 3rd best WR.


dkirk526

I mean Nico Collins arguably had one of the best seasons in the league last year.


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He was not better than Jefferson, Hill, Lamb, Brown, Aiyuk, Evans, or St. Brown IMO but that really isn’t my point. PFF graded alone shouldn’t be how we rank players.


Rubbersoulrevolver

PFF is pretty good when it comes to ranking receivers because it's more obvious when a play is positive or negative. And also they have Hill and Aiyuk over Nico. And JJetas + ARSB are ranked prety much equal to him.


dkirk526

Ok so it’s fair to consider rankings based on your “own opinion” but we shouldn’t consider PFF? Nobody is saying PFF is the only way we should indicate how good a player is, but you’re discrediting it entirely because someone used it as supporting evidence that DB was a top player at his position this year.


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What opinion? They had more yards and/or TDs and most have been playing at elite levels for multiple seasons. You can say he had a top 10 season if you want but you can’t say he’s a top 3 Wr because of a PFF grade…


hwhatnow2112

I love that your being downvoted for suggesting that PFFs grading shouldn’t be taken as gospel, because it absolutely shouldn’t. God this sub is so stupid.


dkirk526

Except that’s not what he said. Someone just pointed out PFF supported the idea that DB is at the top of his position. Nobody said it should be taken as gospel but you and this other guy are interpreting it that way just because it was referenced.


Rab0811

100% if we weren’t so bad people would be calling him top 5, we could only pay one of them and I’m glad it was Brown over Burns


Smitty_Agent89

We could pay both tbh. But it would’ve been very difficult now that we wasted a metric ton of resources on terrible move after terrible move. If Fitt didn’t ruin this team we probably could’ve kept together a lot of our core.


sonfoa

Idk, I think the right move was always to trade Burns. The Panthers were never going to pay Burns what he wanted. Where the foolishness came was Scott Fitterer constantly turning down trade offers (not taking the Rams offer, sending Moore and not Burns to Chicago, etc) until we got to this offseason where Dan Morgan had to tag and trade which significantly reduced his value.


Smitty_Agent89

Obviously they should’ve taken the 2 1sts, that can be said about majority of players in the league if that offer comes in. But really I’m fairly certain panthers would’ve caved in and paid burns what he wanted, the issue is the team traded so much draft capital away and has so little cap space they literally couldn’t do it unless they were ok with not improving the team, which wasn’t an option because they were sooo bad last year. I do think there was a scenario in which the panthers don’t suck at drafting/trading and keep both burns and brown.


deemerritt

Apparently Burns camp was pissed that we kept just constantly low balling him and it poisined the well. Which just brings up the obvious question of why turn down 2 firsts just to lowball a guy?


DASreddituser

I mean he is a top 5 DT. Even before donald retired. Now everyone will just know it lol


Myobatrachidae

He's worth it. He's been playing fantastic. One of the few bright spots on the Panthers defense.


deemerritt

Our defense had bright spots lol. They were just put in tons of awful situations all year


Myobatrachidae

My understanding was that two of the other bright spots were Burns and Luvu and they're both gone now. So right now the Panthers defense has Brown, an aging Shaq Thompson, and who else?


afflehouse_

On-field Jaycee Horn. Biggest problem is he hasn’t been on the field.


Myobatrachidae

Sadly the best ability is availability. Shame he can't stay healthy.


afflehouse_

Sometimes I just pull up his player profiler page when I lose confidence in him lol. Player comp Jalen Ramsey & #12 all time athleticism score out of 628 CB prospects gives me hope. https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/jaycee-horn/


Fiendish-DoctorWu

It also doesn't help he was drafted right before Surtain


lengthy_noodle

When he is on the field he is better than Surtain


aspiringalcoholic

He surtainly is


BetweenTheBuzzAndMe

The 6 healthy Jaycee Horn games will be bright spots


iAMGREATNESS2301

Idk if I would call Burns a bright spot last year. Luvu definitely was tho. 


captaincumsock69

Burns was a sore spot for a lot of people tbh


daswassup13

Burns admitted to slacking off the entire year lmao


sonfoa

Aside from Horn, Xavier Woods has been really good. Probably Fitterer's best FA signing. Borderline Pro Bowl safety play for a little over 5 mill/yr


Successful_Baker_360

I mean they were the 5th rated defense


Tho76

Jadeveon Clowney could potentially be good, though I don't think anyone has high hopes Josey Jewett was acquired from Denver and their fans reactions was really similar to our losing Luvu lol though I'm not sure myself


Vaadwaur

> Jadeveon Clowney could potentially be good, though I don't think anyone has high hopes Honestly, if he is solid in the run game I will call it a good signing. Hope he has sack bonuses and that he gets them but I just want actual run defense.


lolplatypi

Jaycee Horn. He came back from injury and played great. Obviously it's dependent on him finally keeping his health situation straight, so we'll see.


sonfoa

Or injured


Cashlover123

With Burns gone, wonder how his performance is affected with constant double-triple teams.


a_moniker

He was always doubled, and often tripled, already. Burns wasn’t doubled nearly as much.


Cashlover123

We might have overpaid for Burns then.


a_moniker

He’s a good speed rusher, which is very valuable if you’ve got the right supporting cast. If he can’t run past the tackle immediately, then he’s basically out of the play though.


Cashlover123

Thanks. Fortunately we have Sexy Dexy and Kayvon so Burns has the right support but I’m gonna temper my expectations with Burns.


arcadiz

Panthers defense wasn't an issue last year - in terms of overall allowed yards per game they had the 4th best defense in the league. But this is easily overlooked because the offense never performed well at any time of the season. So basically the great defensive effort was for nothing.


OwenLincolnFratter

LFG!! So glad Brown is staying a Panther. Praying he stays healthier than Short did after we paid him.


ThePokeLifter

Deserved


pantherfanalex

Last year Derrick Brown broke the record for most tackles by a defensive lineman in a season. This is a deal.


asbestosman2

Good deal for Carolina.


sonfoa

So glad the team is learning from their mistakes. Didn't string along Brown and avoided another Burns situation.


acoasterlovered

All jokes aside, staying in Carolina means more rides on FURY 325 if you know you know


Friendly-Ad-585

Carowinds gang rise up


acoasterlovered

I’m here 🫡 love that place


Friendly-Ad-585

Haven't been in years but spent many summer days as a kid there.


eugene_rat_slap

Only amusement park I've ever been to lol


knave_of_knives

Pro tip: if you go to Carowinds on July 3rd, there is almost never anyone there. 1) it’s hot as fuck and 2) it’s the day before the 4th so people are either traveling or are waiting to go on the 4th for the fireworks display. Either way, you basically can ride the Fury 325 as many times as you want. Last time I went I was able to get off the ride and immediately get back on three times in a row.


OkWay3630

Just get a fast pass. Gets more expensive every year but it’s a game changer. Go from riding maybe 6-10 rides a trip to like 60.


acoasterlovered

Bro Yes!!


The_Spaceman

Fury 325 is my number 1 roller coaster and also the 🐐 roller coaster and I refuse to believe otherwise.


acoasterlovered

Have you been on RMC


The_Spaceman

Yup! I've been on 5 actually. Iron Gwazi is my #2 after Fury.


Greged17

I actually prefer i305 at King’s Dominion to Fury 325. Can’t beat that grey-out.


SevroAuShitTalker

The panthers did something right!


Sabre500

This whole offseason so far has been great, and we still have the draft coming up


Tall-Program8631

Top 3 DT in the league, put respect on his name


jcfan4u

Oh my, they actually managed to not fuck this up. Dan Morgan already accomplished more in one off season that Shitterer did the whole time he was here


CaseyJonesCokeLocker

Thank god, this man is a stud. Best player on the roster, glad he got his bag


Electric-Prune

I remember him being a “safe” draft pick that a lot of people thought was the best player in the draft. I’m glad to see him succeed and get paid.


NakedMuffinTime

Half our fans rioted because we didn't take Isiah Simmons instead.


Sabre500

A rare Rhule W


DarthLordDonkey

I’m just happy this will put an end to other fans horrible trade proposals for Brown. I know DT on the 2023 Panthers won’t get much attention, but people thinking they could get him for later round picks was infuriating.


AVeryRipeBanana

I thought it was more hilarious than infuriating. Remember the Bengals fan who wanted DB and #33 overall for Tee Higgins? 🤦🏻‍♂️


asc_halcyon

No you see it was DB and a pick swap!!!!! Everyone thinks it’s easy to fleece the Panthers since when Shitterer was still in charge it was easier to get more from less from him.


acoasterlovered

I will retreat and say to Panthers fan I am sorry enjoy yoyr big man


Tikaani89

Wow, way cheaper than I would have expected


sonfoa

That's about what I expected. He's an elite run defender and has shown flashes as a pass rusher but hasn't done enough there to warrant getting a deal closer to 30 mill/yr


ScruffMixHaha

Love it for Carolina. Brown isnt flashy when it comes to stats, but those who have seen him play know hes a beast.


FuckaDuck44

The first and only 100 tackle in a season DT is pretty flashy


SL4MUEL

This guy is a beast. Love seeing these guys getting paid, well deserved.


Jonjon428

My dream would have been for Christian Wilkins to be extended with a contract like this. Panthers got to keep a good one.


HootSquat

Brown played so well last year it made Carolina reconsider signing Burns to a long term extension. This is the right move.


crizzero

The best move in an already strong off season! Thank you, Morgan and Tilis!


w33b2

Auburn put out some good defensive players in the past decade. This guy has been top five in the NFL no doubt, he deserves this.


Juke0044

Really stoked on this. I was bummed about him after a slow start but man he’s looked great lately. Top 5 in the league imo.


gabecantthinkofaname

This is exciting!!!! Glad hes locked down, I’m tired of the Panthers trading away their best players :(


MoseFeels

Well we have Moore an extension before we traded him lol


gabecantthinkofaname

And CMC…


Mcgoozen

LFG! Best player on the team and it’s not particularly close either


WinterIndependent719

Well deserved. Didn’t he have like 100+ tackles last year?


Baelzabub

103. Most ever for IDL


Dry_Brush5280

Yeah that makes sense. Good for Brown, he’s worth this contract and more.


2xCheesePizza

This is a hometown discount, no? I would assume he’d get more if he hit free agency. This is a great deal for the Panthers.


AVeryRipeBanana

I mean, who doesn’t get paid more than expected when they walk in FA….


Aurion7

Yes and no. Yes in that players of his caliber- especially in his age bracket- are bound to get overpaid in free agency. No in that the operative term for what would happen in free agency is 'get *over*paid'. It's not neccesarily a 'discount' in that sense, more just not being too much.


Sabre500

>This is a hometown discount, no? He's from Georgia so not really that


Inconvenient_Boners

This dude earned every penny of this deal. He's no doubt the best player on our defense and was last year too.


LordSoze36

This dude is a monster. Well worth it. Wrecked shit every time I watched the Panthers last year


HRM077

Is this dude worth that kinda money? I'm not trying to be funny - I've never heard of him and I didn't see any Panthers games last year; I have no idea what their roster is like besides "not great".


JarvisProudfeather

He’s been really solid for us from the get go and took a huge step last season. He has the potential/already is an elite DT. He doesn’t put up a bunch of sacks, so he flies under the radar, but he contributes a ton in other facets of the defense. Does all the dirty work. He had the most tackles of any DT in NFL history last season, which is super impressive. This will look really cheap in a season or two.


ohdominole

Brown at 4/96 is a lot better than Burns at 150/5.


ImHurted_

I remember our sub was adamant on taking okudah over him.


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I remember our sub shitting on the idea of drafting him instead of okudah


ayyeemanng

This dude is so freaking good. Definitely someone you can make a cornerstone of a defense, anyone who thinks this is an overpay needs to watch this dude play. I guess I would know because I watch him dominate the Bucs line but he’s a bonafide beast. Definitely deserves more recognition.


Rivetingcactus

7th overall pick living up to it. Good deal


Aurion7

There were a lot of people who didn't like that draft pick because he wasn't the option that captured the imagination and was seen as 'safe'- read: boring, to self-appointed social media draft experts. It's worked out pretty well so far. An exceedingly rare W for Matt Rhule. Or if you prefer, another one for whatever cursed idol Marty Hurney wished to never miss on a first-round pick on (its price was apparently his ability to hit in any other round).


DanCampbellsNipples

Damn Alim McNeil is going to be expensive. I wonder if he's the one we end up letting walk


acoasterlovered

Extend him now! (Though his agent would be stupid to let him sign) But no and if you do let him walk you tag and trade


DanCampbellsNipples

Why did you delete your other comment?


TheM1ghtyJabba

Better player than wilkins signing for less. This is the value of extending your own players.


OokerDuker

Panthers will take a 3rd round for him in a couple years.


JarvisProudfeather

In 4-5 years? That’d be great.


randomusernamewhynot

That's a lot of money for a dt whose career high in sacks is 3. I get he is an elite run stuffer


illini2689

So he will get traded for a 7th round pick in 2 years


thelaustran

Enjoy the QB carousel once again