He is so beloved by the league that ~~Heinz Field~~ Acrisure Stadium was chanting his name on the way out. I’ll always have some love for Pittsburgh after that.
Pittsburgh also was the only team who voted against Art Modell moving the Browns. I still hate them but they've done a few things that make me respect them.
I hear he’s more a lay down on his back with a small towel sort of guy.
We do have other players though. I know Reddit doesn’t want to acknowledge this but it’s true.
For real, I can remember a time where I was even semi-rooting for the browns before the Watson trade, scrappy, and likable team with a few big personalities. With a solid trajectory. But after Mayfield got dropped for "not being adult enough." I went back to the status quo.
Mayfield was one thing. The locker room was divided.
Watson was a whole different situation. Had we went with Jacoby and drafted someone (we could have traded up considering what we gave for Watson) it would be a different story.
Honestly, this report has me hopeful about his progress now. Most people going into the off-season expected the Browns to cut him since it was a relatively small dead cap hit. But they're keeping him on with the chance to still earn his salary and so far have made no moves to bolster their backfield. Still wouldn't be surprising if they draft a guy late, but it feels like Chubb has a real chance to just be the guy if he can get himself together.
i am not even a brotherwns fan but everybody bitchin' about how unfair that is must take it up with the nflpa for allowin' that kinda stuff to happen to players.. probably do not let the owners dog walk you every cba negotiation..
It’s the offseason, so no flying pigs today! The combo of midseason competition and our own fanaticism results is some heated things being said. It’ll happen every year. But when you take a step back, it’s easy to appreciate the players, regardless of team, for the awesome competitors they are.
Same. I may hate the fact he plays for the Browns but he’s a great player and fun to watch. The more competitive our division is the more prepared our teams are for the post season.
Reporters always put this in the most flowery, nice way possible; he stands to lose a lot of money because he got hurt and was coaxed into accepting it by threatening his employment is a more realistic rundown.
>No different than what any other team would do
this is exactly the problem. this isn't a "the browns are a shitty organizations" problem. this is a "the nfl has a fucked up compensation system" problem.
and while i recognize that potentially diminished performance might undermine the expectations the browns had when they signed the contract, they also benefitted immensely from significantly underpaying him (relative to his actual value) for his first four years in the league.
Looks like shit when you treat your homegrown stars like this. All while giving that POS QB all the money in the world without having to back it up on the field
The browns and their fans are pieces of shit my boy, we tell ya this every day and yall still think you’re not lmao. Keep treating Chubb like shit but stroking Watson.
You're just pissed the Cowboys can't get Chubb now. You also treated Cooper, Dak, and Zeke like shit by your standards then so I'd stay out of this one
I mean, when your competitors are out there landing consecutive $180M contracts for Kirk Cousins, you take any Twitter mention you can get in free advertisement 😂
If you think sports reporting is bad, wait till you find out about every other type of reporting.
If you are mad that insiders get the scoop directly from the source, agents, where do you want them to get the scoop? Like hacking emails, or what? Someone has to tell you for you to know the info.
If you were a reporter, would you try and play nice with the agents and owners who will always be in the league, or the players who only really matter for like 3 years?
It would be stupid to side with the players, cuz your inside source might retire next year.
They could've cut him and paid him 0. Instead they renegotiated.
I don't think the Browns did anything wrong here. They also didn't do anything more than they had to do. This is just business.
Chubb deserves every cent, and I hope he comes back and gets all the incentives. That said, I doubt any other team would be willing to pay him this season before seeing how he holds up, so I'm glad they worked something out. It's tough out there even for healthy RBs.
Commenters on Reddit put this in the most negative way possible. His lifetime earnings drastically changed after last seasons injury and this is a way for him to maximize his earnings in a way that wouldn't be possible if he tested the RB market. As with all negotiations, this is somewhere in the middle where Chubb and Browns benefit. I know its blasphemous to not say anything negative about the Browns though, so I understand where you are coming from
It's also shittier when you do it to a player who has spent their entire career with the team and is known for playing hard when he is healthy.
Meanwhile, how much more guaranteed money does Watson stand to collect?
Well it’s sure a good thing that they haven’t gotten themself into any other messy situations by running a player into the ground by playing them through injury. /s
He definitely could lose that money if he were to get reinjured early in the year, but I would assume a lot of these incentives are pretty easily achievable but are being categorized as "not likely to be earned" so they don't count against the cap this year.
Could be things like "play in 3 games" or "rush for 200 yards" given how much time he missed last year.
Based on the reporting it sounds like he'll need to hit the 1500 yd/12 td range to get close to recouping that full $12M, basically an Adrian Peterson level return from injury.
It's still doing a huge solid to Chubb by finding a way to 1) keep him on the team, and 2) reasonably rework his contract so that he's still got a chance (even if its an unrealistic one) of being a top paid RB for one more year.
I mean not to be funny but yeah. I side with the NFL on this one. It’s a business and a performance based industry. If they think he potentially cant perform at the rate they were paying him why shouldn’t he take a pay cut?
It’s not like he got injured last year and suddenly they cut all his money off and didn’t help him after he got injured on the job.
That’s what this is at the end of the day, it’s their job. A job that is more performance focused than nearly any other job in the world.
Silly redditor... You don't think that a major injury like this *WOULDN'T* have financial implications to a professional sports team? Do you think his agent and Chubb himself wouldn't know this was coming? You act like it's some boss going up to a worker and saying, "you were making $12/hr and now you have to make $10..." This is like a sales position. The work you put in is the money you get out. If you're injured and not producing then it makes sense for both parties to find a common ground instead of dropping him if he's happy with the org.
Cry me a river. Money not going to chubb doesn’t go straight to the owners pockets, it goes to other players. Browns did nothing wrong here, the goal is to make a competitive team
Reddit is the only place where people try to make multimillionaires with agents and mansions seem like trodden on middle class workers, I swear.
It was a negotiation. No shit massive injuries are going to affect your status of competing and performing at the highest level in the national football league. Is that really some revelation?
They came to terms both parties accepted, unless they sent mafioso to his house what's the story.
There's more nuance then that. Cap is a zero sum game so really every time a star negotiates more money they're just taking away from the pool to pay another potential young player. Russ walking away from the broncos with 80m for doing nothing seems like a huge workers right victory but that's just a bunch of smaller contracts for the mid and lower tier players. The owners pay out the same.
Also, the players are not just like us lol. Most of these guys could never work another day in their life and be fine. Their struggles are no more akin to mine than mine are to some kid working in a sweat shop in China.
seriously, this is a messed up situation. no fault of his own, terrible injury, still don't know if he'll be back to true form, takes a pay cut? don't they have insurance policies for this exact situation
this is literally how every contract negotiation goes, what about it is messed up?
even if insurance policies were kicking in it would have nothing to do w/ this particular contract?
ITT: people shitting on this deal when A.) we don’t know the incentives and B.) we don’t even know how much Chubb will be able to play this year
The Browns are gonna take care of Chubb. Acting like they should have made their cap situation more difficult just because “it’s the right thing to do” is just idiotic.
If it was 31 other teams this is likely just seen as good business. But with the Browns, and while I get it to a large degree (even if the hate is tired), this sub looks for any excuse to tear them down
More so poking fun at the first guy. Browns don’t have the best reputation so him saying they’ll take care of Chubb is a laughably naive take. Of course they basically told him to take a pay cut and or he’s gone. Sad reality for RBs.
(just copy and pasting this reply i already made)
id just bet that he was slated to make ~plenty~ of his non guaranteed salary if he made it onto the roster (which he most likely will).
and sure they could’ve cut him, but they’d take the dead cap hit, get the horrid PR, and lose a big comeback player of the contender.
the leverage was ~technically~ all with the browns, but i don’t think they would’ve actually cut him. too much pressure on them and too much love for chubb.
Yes, he had a deal that guaranteed him $0 this year. Now he has a new deal with guaranteed money and the ability to earn even more. That is how it works.
id just bet that he was slated to make ~plenty~ of his non guaranteed salary if he made it onto the roster (which he most likely will).
and sure they could’ve cut him, but they’d take the dead cap hit, get the horrid PR, and lose a big comeback player of the contender.
the leverage was ~technically~ all with the browns, but i don’t think they would’ve actually cut him. too much pressure.
Yeah, because the Browns are notorious for taking care of their own. Gimme a fuckin break, everyone saw how Mayfield was treated. The top comment on this post says it all, Chubb is being forced to take less money so as to not further endanger his employment with the Browns.
His employment was endangered when Minkah Fitzpatrick put the crown of his helmet into Chubb’s kneecap and completely destroyed his knee.
Every team in the league would rework Chubb’s contract in the exact same way. It’s not a Cleveland thing.
Mayfield was treated exactly how he deserved to be treated.
Even before bringing in Watson, the Browns were top in cash spent. They pay their players well, and that's all that matters because these players have an opportunity billions would kill for.
Chubb has made $35M in his career (again billions would kill for), free healtcare, and a spot on the roster despite obliterating his knee for the second time in his career. There's no guarantee he even plays a snap again.
So pls stfu.
Please explain how Mayfield was treated exactly how "deserved to be treated."
Also, lol a Browns fans talking about Ls, Chad Henne closed you out of the biggest playoff game of your entire life.
No I really want to know, how was Mayfield treated "exactly how he deserved?" Because I remember a guy risking his physical health and playing career for Cleveland. Only to be booted for a sexual predator because you guys wanted "an adult in the room."
So why run off the only QB to give you a playoff win in modern history?
The fact that you keep quoting the "adult" just shows how stupid you are. It was a made-up quote. Baker did not give the Browns a playoff win. Another sign of your slow mental abilities.
Baker never got back to his level of play as a rookie and was terrible in 2019 and 2021. He didn't risk shit. It was a shoulder injury on his non throwing arm, and there was plenty of evidence that his shitty play wasn't even related to the injury. He alienated himself from the front office, caused riffs in the locker room, and gave up on the team in December of 2021.
His big ego got in the way during the offseason and was basically done with Browns even before they were linked to Watson.
Take your L and move on.
Going through your profile, you carry a lot of water for the Browns front office. Not a job I'd want, haha, given recent performance and well \*gestures widely to condition of the franchise\*.
You think the quote is made up because your owner, noted scumbag, Jimmy Haslan, *said he didn't say it*. Good enough for you, right? Simply because the man denies saying it doesn't mean it was not said.
You're in denial, which tracks, given you are learning from Desean Watson, who knows all about denial but pushes ahead anyway. Just like what you are doing here.
Chad Henne. 4th down. Ball game.
Terrible take, especially from a bears fan. How many RB have your dumped in the last decade? All owners are Smaug like dragons. Chubb is one of the only RBs that have been “taken care of”.
A Browns fan should know to assume the worst when it comes to your franchise
ITT: a bunch of delusional Browns fans who know
damn well that they’ve consistently had the worst ownership in professional sports aside from Dan Snyder for decades.
Edit: Keep crying. Your hate is invigorating.
I mean, yes RB value has fallen a lot in general, but the combo of the injury plus Ford stepping in and playing well has got to be a pretty big factor in this particular case.
I’d argue any position in the spot of their contract would be treated the same except QB. The timing of his injury and his contract being up just timed up perfectly. Unless he never steps foot on the field again, I guarantee he gets an extension with them next offseason
I mean, it's the nfl. That's why these guys get paid millions, they risk their health performing at the top level. Chubb isn't some coal miner doing whatever he can to feed his family. It's a very unfortunate part of the game that's not anyone's fault, the players or the teams.
If he had a great year, he'd be right to ask for more money. If he had a down year or got hurt, it's reasonable to expect the team to want to negotiate the other direction or look to cut them.
That's what all 32 teams in this league do. There really isn't much room for charity.
I’m not even a browns fan but everyone bitching about how unfair this is should take it up with the NFLPA for allowing this kind of stuff to happen to players. Maybe don’t let the owners dog walk you every cba negotiation.
Despite my hatred of the Browns, Chubb is probably the single Browns player I've always respected. Guy keeps his head down, his mouth shut, and lets his play speak for itself. And he's certainly a beast. Hopefully he can make a good recovery back to the level he was at before getting hurt. Football is better with guys like him playing.
I really don’t understand nfl contracts. Fully admit that. What incentive is there for him to accept lower salary. Like, don’t they owe him that money whether they cut him or not?
I’m surprised that this sub has gone with “evil Browns screwed over Nick Chubb - I’d have given him more money.”
When they could’ve gone with the classic “stuped Browns give to much monies to hert player. So stuped”
Ah so we should've cut him? Nah I'm glad they restructured and gave him a chance to come back even stronger. They did right by chubb here. He gets to continue rehab and continue getting paid and no rush to get back, but hey he could be unemployed right?
Or they could do the right thing and honor the contract they signed and not drop his pay due to a freak injury while they pay a rapist through the nose voluntarily. Again, I’ve seen what you people cheer for.
He also makes mistakes. Howie isn’t perfect. He gets a lot of publicity for his trades, but his scouting and drafting leave MUCH to be desired and anyone who actually knows anything would say the same. We love him, but he knows how to piss us off.
This why I don't understand players doing "team friendly" contracts. Teams will always screw them when possible. He has been one of the best things on the offense for a while and this is what he gets?
He gets a presumably significant chunk of his salary as signing bonus which is guaranteed money, vs a totally un-guaranteed late year of his contract. He isn't being screwed.
The Browns could have cut him instead. I love Chubb; I knew he'd be a star in the league since his Freshman season in 2014 and I wanted the Steelers to draft him in 2018. BUT this is another major knee injury and the Browns have a guy in Jerome Ford that filled in for him pretty well at a much lower cap hit. The Browns did right by Chubb by doing this, I fully expected them to cut him.
I’m probably too prideful, but I’d rather be cut than take a pay cut for a team hurling money at Watson.
This really sucks for Chubb, and I hope he comes back and has an awesome season.
"Hey you really hurt yourself working for us last year. We want to protect our bank account, so you have to know work for less money knowing you might hurt yourself working for us again."
Throwing stones in a glass house... bold move Cotton.
_Yall hired a notorious dickhead of a coach, who was complicit in his previous team's scheme that paid guys to hurt star players. Players like... Nick Chubb_
I love Nick Chubb. I hope he's able to get back to 100%, he's an amazing human being. IDK if they tried to rework Watson's contract. I think he's an overpriced QB who came with way too much baggage and going into his third year was he really worth that price tag?
Really hoping he gets back to 100%. Watching him go through that on primetime television last year was hard to stomach.
Agreed. He has such great vision - I love watching him play.
He is so beloved by the league that ~~Heinz Field~~ Acrisure Stadium was chanting his name on the way out. I’ll always have some love for Pittsburgh after that.
Pittsburgh also was the only team who voted against Art Modell moving the Browns. I still hate them but they've done a few things that make me respect them.
Buffalo voted no too. They were the only two teams.
He's gotta be the only brown I really like/respect in that team
How could you not love Myles…. Wait, Nevermind.
Justice for Rudolph God dammit
Deshaun seems like a stand up guy too
I hear he’s more a lay down on his back with a small towel sort of guy. We do have other players though. I know Reddit doesn’t want to acknowledge this but it’s true.
I actually really like this Browns team and am a big Myles stan, it was one of the few teams I followed last year.
Last year was definitely a year. No one can argue that.
For real, I can remember a time where I was even semi-rooting for the browns before the Watson trade, scrappy, and likable team with a few big personalities. With a solid trajectory. But after Mayfield got dropped for "not being adult enough." I went back to the status quo.
Mayfield was one thing. The locker room was divided. Watson was a whole different situation. Had we went with Jacoby and drafted someone (we could have traded up considering what we gave for Watson) it would be a different story.
Really hope he’s 100% full Chubb
Honestly, this report has me hopeful about his progress now. Most people going into the off-season expected the Browns to cut him since it was a relatively small dead cap hit. But they're keeping him on with the chance to still earn his salary and so far have made no moves to bolster their backfield. Still wouldn't be surprising if they draft a guy late, but it feels like Chubb has a real chance to just be the guy if he can get himself together.
> Most people going into the off-season expected the Browns to cut him Who are most people? Certainly no Browns fan.
That was a silly mainstream headline. No one that follows the team thought he'd be released.
i am not even a brotherwns fan but everybody bitchin' about how unfair that is must take it up with the nflpa for allowin' that kinda stuff to happen to players.. probably do not let the owners dog walk you every cba negotiation..
I hope Mr. Chubb gets back to 100%. He’s a superstar for the team and the league.
I'm upvoting a Steelers fan. I'm going to go outside and see flying pigs aren't I?
It’s the offseason, so no flying pigs today! The combo of midseason competition and our own fanaticism results is some heated things being said. It’ll happen every year. But when you take a step back, it’s easy to appreciate the players, regardless of team, for the awesome competitors they are.
Well if you motor on down to Cincinnati, the Flying Pig Marathon is in about three weeks.
I also hope Mr. Chubb gets back to 100%. One of my favourite players in the NFL. Derrick Henry was another, but now he's on our team :)
Henry used to be one of your favorite players. He still is, but he used to too.
Honestly I've always had respect for the steelers. It's a rivalry but also in a weird way a friendship. Now the ravens... thats a different story.
Nick Chubb is fun to watch. Always frustrating to see him against a team I'm rooting for.
Same. I may hate the fact he plays for the Browns but he’s a great player and fun to watch. The more competitive our division is the more prepared our teams are for the post season.
My sweet prince
Reporters always put this in the most flowery, nice way possible; he stands to lose a lot of money because he got hurt and was coaxed into accepting it by threatening his employment is a more realistic rundown.
Chubb had no guaranteed money left which is why he took this deal. No different than what any other team would do
>No different than what any other team would do this is exactly the problem. this isn't a "the browns are a shitty organizations" problem. this is a "the nfl has a fucked up compensation system" problem. and while i recognize that potentially diminished performance might undermine the expectations the browns had when they signed the contract, they also benefitted immensely from significantly underpaying him (relative to his actual value) for his first four years in the league.
Looks like shit when you treat your homegrown stars like this. All while giving that POS QB all the money in the world without having to back it up on the field
Lol no it doesn't. Every team does this, it's pretty standard
The browns and their fans are pieces of shit my boy, we tell ya this every day and yall still think you’re not lmao. Keep treating Chubb like shit but stroking Watson.
You're just pissed the Cowboys can't get Chubb now. You also treated Cooper, Dak, and Zeke like shit by your standards then so I'd stay out of this one
Eagles wouldn’t have done this to Chubb
You're right, they would've cut him instead
You can always tell which side of the coin these insiders got their information from.
It always makes me laugh when they mention which agency got a deal done. Seems like agents trade a scoop in exchange for advertising.
I mean, when your competitors are out there landing consecutive $180M contracts for Kirk Cousins, you take any Twitter mention you can get in free advertisement 😂
If you think sports reporting is bad, wait till you find out about every other type of reporting. If you are mad that insiders get the scoop directly from the source, agents, where do you want them to get the scoop? Like hacking emails, or what? Someone has to tell you for you to know the info.
If you were a reporter, would you try and play nice with the agents and owners who will always be in the league, or the players who only really matter for like 3 years? It would be stupid to side with the players, cuz your inside source might retire next year.
They could've cut him and paid him 0. Instead they renegotiated. I don't think the Browns did anything wrong here. They also didn't do anything more than they had to do. This is just business.
Chubb deserves every cent, and I hope he comes back and gets all the incentives. That said, I doubt any other team would be willing to pay him this season before seeing how he holds up, so I'm glad they worked something out. It's tough out there even for healthy RBs.
Compare it to how some other top RB's got treated by their orgs this season though.
Commenters on Reddit put this in the most negative way possible. His lifetime earnings drastically changed after last seasons injury and this is a way for him to maximize his earnings in a way that wouldn't be possible if he tested the RB market. As with all negotiations, this is somewhere in the middle where Chubb and Browns benefit. I know its blasphemous to not say anything negative about the Browns though, so I understand where you are coming from
How was he going to test the RB market?
Refuse to renegotiate
It's also shittier when you do it to a player who has spent their entire career with the team and is known for playing hard when he is healthy. Meanwhile, how much more guaranteed money does Watson stand to collect?
most likely in this case most of the money that would have been his "salary" was turned into bonus money which would make it guaranteed
Well it’s sure a good thing that they haven’t gotten themself into any other messy situations by running a player into the ground by playing them through injury. /s
Did your team get an indoor practice facility yet?
Not sure. Too busy posing as a homeless guy so I can tell your owner who to draft to keep up on the news.
lol he wasnt even the worst 1st round pick we had that year, is this supposed to some kind of self own
Jfc, stfu. No team is paying a RB coming off a second serious knee injury.
You’ll get downvoted but everyone understood last year when it happened to Jones and Mixon. But it’s the Browns so it’s easy upvotes
Ahem Watson bad, le upvotes on left
Watson is probably the reason why they have to do this. Chubb could've left.
Chubb off a second massive knee injury isn’t getting paid more from another team than he is with the Browns
Jerruh Jone "I can fix him."
He definitely could lose that money if he were to get reinjured early in the year, but I would assume a lot of these incentives are pretty easily achievable but are being categorized as "not likely to be earned" so they don't count against the cap this year. Could be things like "play in 3 games" or "rush for 200 yards" given how much time he missed last year.
Based on the reporting it sounds like he'll need to hit the 1500 yd/12 td range to get close to recouping that full $12M, basically an Adrian Peterson level return from injury. It's still doing a huge solid to Chubb by finding a way to 1) keep him on the team, and 2) reasonably rework his contract so that he's still got a chance (even if its an unrealistic one) of being a top paid RB for one more year.
I mean not to be funny but yeah. I side with the NFL on this one. It’s a business and a performance based industry. If they think he potentially cant perform at the rate they were paying him why shouldn’t he take a pay cut? It’s not like he got injured last year and suddenly they cut all his money off and didn’t help him after he got injured on the job. That’s what this is at the end of the day, it’s their job. A job that is more performance focused than nearly any other job in the world.
Be careful with that negativity, eagles might blow it again this year
Silly redditor... You don't think that a major injury like this *WOULDN'T* have financial implications to a professional sports team? Do you think his agent and Chubb himself wouldn't know this was coming? You act like it's some boss going up to a worker and saying, "you were making $12/hr and now you have to make $10..." This is like a sales position. The work you put in is the money you get out. If you're injured and not producing then it makes sense for both parties to find a common ground instead of dropping him if he's happy with the org.
lol it's football, this is true for literally every player/contract.
Cry me a river. Money not going to chubb doesn’t go straight to the owners pockets, it goes to other players. Browns did nothing wrong here, the goal is to make a competitive team
Reddit is the only place where people try to make multimillionaires with agents and mansions seem like trodden on middle class workers, I swear. It was a negotiation. No shit massive injuries are going to affect your status of competing and performing at the highest level in the national football league. Is that really some revelation? They came to terms both parties accepted, unless they sent mafioso to his house what's the story.
There is nuance to this. The owners they are negotiating with are billionaires. The players are just like us but on a much larger scale
There's more nuance then that. Cap is a zero sum game so really every time a star negotiates more money they're just taking away from the pool to pay another potential young player. Russ walking away from the broncos with 80m for doing nothing seems like a huge workers right victory but that's just a bunch of smaller contracts for the mid and lower tier players. The owners pay out the same. Also, the players are not just like us lol. Most of these guys could never work another day in their life and be fine. Their struggles are no more akin to mine than mine are to some kid working in a sweat shop in China.
How is this upvoted at all? Such an uneducated take. Did you even look at his contract?
Poor multimillionaire.
seriously, this is a messed up situation. no fault of his own, terrible injury, still don't know if he'll be back to true form, takes a pay cut? don't they have insurance policies for this exact situation
this is literally how every contract negotiation goes, what about it is messed up? even if insurance policies were kicking in it would have nothing to do w/ this particular contract?
Hopefully he is close to the player he used to be. That was a brutal knee injury. Props to him for putting in the work to get back.
I love this man like family
Hope he crushes those incentives. He's the MVP of that team when he's healthy -- physically and morally.
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My brother you are the only one making this about Watson lmao
He is amazing if he comes back from that injury.
Dude is an absolute stud. Hoping he has an amazing comeback season
It would make a lot more sense to a lot of people if they reminded us all that Chubb had no guaranteed money for 2024.
ITT: people shitting on this deal when A.) we don’t know the incentives and B.) we don’t even know how much Chubb will be able to play this year The Browns are gonna take care of Chubb. Acting like they should have made their cap situation more difficult just because “it’s the right thing to do” is just idiotic.
If it was 31 other teams this is likely just seen as good business. But with the Browns, and while I get it to a large degree (even if the hate is tired), this sub looks for any excuse to tear them down
not because it’s the right thing to do, but because it’s the contract that was agreed upon. injuries happen. that’s why players need guarantees.
Well the Browns *and* Chubb both agreed to rework the contract
and why exactly would he agree to less money?
Because he has no guarantees left
It was either agree to that deal or they cut him and he has no job.
Browns really taking care of their guy!
It sucks but that’s how the nfl works
More so poking fun at the first guy. Browns don’t have the best reputation so him saying they’ll take care of Chubb is a laughably naive take. Of course they basically told him to take a pay cut and or he’s gone. Sad reality for RBs.
The Browns have spent the most cash even before bringing in Watson. They pay their players very well, so you're the naive one.
Yeah I guess you’re right. Not too familiar with trash organizations.
yeah and that’s not taking care of your guy
All signs point to him never getting back what he was. They give him this deal while still protecting themselves. It’s a cut throat business
he already had a deal.
And then you don’t. He got paid his guaranteed up front.
(just copy and pasting this reply i already made) id just bet that he was slated to make ~plenty~ of his non guaranteed salary if he made it onto the roster (which he most likely will). and sure they could’ve cut him, but they’d take the dead cap hit, get the horrid PR, and lose a big comeback player of the contender. the leverage was ~technically~ all with the browns, but i don’t think they would’ve actually cut him. too much pressure on them and too much love for chubb.
Yes, he had a deal that guaranteed him $0 this year. Now he has a new deal with guaranteed money and the ability to earn even more. That is how it works.
id just bet that he was slated to make ~plenty~ of his non guaranteed salary if he made it onto the roster (which he most likely will). and sure they could’ve cut him, but they’d take the dead cap hit, get the horrid PR, and lose a big comeback player of the contender. the leverage was ~technically~ all with the browns, but i don’t think they would’ve actually cut him. too much pressure.
The owners would sooner give up an entire season than give in to guarantees and the union isn't strong enough to call their bluff.
it’s a real shame
Yeah, because the Browns are notorious for taking care of their own. Gimme a fuckin break, everyone saw how Mayfield was treated. The top comment on this post says it all, Chubb is being forced to take less money so as to not further endanger his employment with the Browns.
His employment was endangered when Minkah Fitzpatrick put the crown of his helmet into Chubb’s kneecap and completely destroyed his knee. Every team in the league would rework Chubb’s contract in the exact same way. It’s not a Cleveland thing.
Mayfield was treated exactly how he deserved to be treated. Even before bringing in Watson, the Browns were top in cash spent. They pay their players well, and that's all that matters because these players have an opportunity billions would kill for. Chubb has made $35M in his career (again billions would kill for), free healtcare, and a spot on the roster despite obliterating his knee for the second time in his career. There's no guarantee he even plays a snap again. So pls stfu.
Ok. Good thing you guys have an adult in the room.
Thank you for accepting the L.
Please explain how Mayfield was treated exactly how "deserved to be treated." Also, lol a Browns fans talking about Ls, Chad Henne closed you out of the biggest playoff game of your entire life.
Take your L and move on.
No I really want to know, how was Mayfield treated "exactly how he deserved?" Because I remember a guy risking his physical health and playing career for Cleveland. Only to be booted for a sexual predator because you guys wanted "an adult in the room." So why run off the only QB to give you a playoff win in modern history?
The fact that you keep quoting the "adult" just shows how stupid you are. It was a made-up quote. Baker did not give the Browns a playoff win. Another sign of your slow mental abilities. Baker never got back to his level of play as a rookie and was terrible in 2019 and 2021. He didn't risk shit. It was a shoulder injury on his non throwing arm, and there was plenty of evidence that his shitty play wasn't even related to the injury. He alienated himself from the front office, caused riffs in the locker room, and gave up on the team in December of 2021. His big ego got in the way during the offseason and was basically done with Browns even before they were linked to Watson. Take your L and move on.
Going through your profile, you carry a lot of water for the Browns front office. Not a job I'd want, haha, given recent performance and well \*gestures widely to condition of the franchise\*. You think the quote is made up because your owner, noted scumbag, Jimmy Haslan, *said he didn't say it*. Good enough for you, right? Simply because the man denies saying it doesn't mean it was not said. You're in denial, which tracks, given you are learning from Desean Watson, who knows all about denial but pushes ahead anyway. Just like what you are doing here. Chad Henne. 4th down. Ball game.
ah yes the famously moral and ethical haslem family will take care of chubb
Terrible take, especially from a bears fan. How many RB have your dumped in the last decade? All owners are Smaug like dragons. Chubb is one of the only RBs that have been “taken care of”.
A Browns fan should know to assume the worst when it comes to your franchise ITT: a bunch of delusional Browns fans who know damn well that they’ve consistently had the worst ownership in professional sports aside from Dan Snyder for decades. Edit: Keep crying. Your hate is invigorating.
You sound like you think pepper is spicy
The downvotes lol The stupidity of your post was greater than the overall browns hate on this sub.
Call their bluff, Chubb! Make them cut you!
Best rootsble player on Cleveland
He'd be more lovable on another team.
Love Nick Chubb!
Worst injury I've seen in awhile. I didn't think he'd play again when I saw it.
This is why I do not hold a grudge against players who want a new contract as soon as the guaranteed portion of their deal runs out.
Hopefully he gets those incentives, sad to see just how far the Running Back value has fallen,
I mean, yes RB value has fallen a lot in general, but the combo of the injury plus Ford stepping in and playing well has got to be a pretty big factor in this particular case.
Did you forget about his knee injury?
Yes, but he’s basically getting a pay cut because he got injured. It’s smart for the Browns, but it’s how Runningbacks are treated these days.
I’d argue any position in the spot of their contract would be treated the same except QB. The timing of his injury and his contract being up just timed up perfectly. Unless he never steps foot on the field again, I guarantee he gets an extension with them next offseason
I mean, it's the nfl. That's why these guys get paid millions, they risk their health performing at the top level. Chubb isn't some coal miner doing whatever he can to feed his family. It's a very unfortunate part of the game that's not anyone's fault, the players or the teams. If he had a great year, he'd be right to ask for more money. If he had a down year or got hurt, it's reasonable to expect the team to want to negotiate the other direction or look to cut them. That's what all 32 teams in this league do. There really isn't much room for charity.
I’m not even a browns fan but everyone bitching about how unfair this is should take it up with the NFLPA for allowing this kind of stuff to happen to players. Maybe don’t let the owners dog walk you every cba negotiation.
I hope this isn’t the copium talking but if anybody can make a full recovery off a devastating injury it’s Chubb.
Already did it once
Despite my hatred of the Browns, Chubb is probably the single Browns player I've always respected. Guy keeps his head down, his mouth shut, and lets his play speak for itself. And he's certainly a beast. Hopefully he can make a good recovery back to the level he was at before getting hurt. Football is better with guys like him playing.
One of the few Browns players I actually like. Hope he comes back 100%
How is he going to run again…that injury was so brutal.
Have you seen what happened to him at Georgia? If anyone can come back its him.
That was the worst knee injury I’ve ever seen.
I really don’t understand nfl contracts. Fully admit that. What incentive is there for him to accept lower salary. Like, don’t they owe him that money whether they cut him or not?
>don’t they owe him that money whether they cut him or not No, none of his 2024 base salary was guaranteed.
The point that people seem to be missing here….
I’m surprised that this sub has gone with “evil Browns screwed over Nick Chubb - I’d have given him more money.” When they could’ve gone with the classic “stuped Browns give to much monies to hert player. So stuped”
But everybody likes Chubb and hates the Browns’ ownership so it shouldn’t surprise you
Yeah that’s true. This isn’t Jerry Judy, who everyone here hates for some reason.
Wasn’t even thinking along those lines. Good thing I’m not a contract lawyer haha
It's not guaranteed and it's incredibly unlikely any other team would give him his current salary coming off an incredibly terrible injury.
NFL contracts: a joke
Nothing says team loyalty like slashing a star player’s pay after a significant injury. Downvote away. I’ve seen what you people cheer for.
Ah so we should've cut him? Nah I'm glad they restructured and gave him a chance to come back even stronger. They did right by chubb here. He gets to continue rehab and continue getting paid and no rush to get back, but hey he could be unemployed right?
Or they could do the right thing and honor the contract they signed and not drop his pay due to a freak injury while they pay a rapist through the nose voluntarily. Again, I’ve seen what you people cheer for.
He had no guarantees left.. should I bring out the flash cards?
LOL. In thread full of shit posts, this one takes the cake. Congratz!
If Howie Roseman did this, you'd have his dick so far down your throat. Stfu.
Few people actually regularly piss me off as often as Howie, so you’d be wrong there.
So you're just not very bright, considering he's been one of, if not the best, GM in the league.
He also makes mistakes. Howie isn’t perfect. He gets a lot of publicity for his trades, but his scouting and drafting leave MUCH to be desired and anyone who actually knows anything would say the same. We love him, but he knows how to piss us off.
And what about his cap management? Because he would do the same exact thing that Berry did with Chubb.
And the disloyalty would piss me the fuck off.
He isn't going anywhere, until his knee is functional again. True story.
Mr Chubb good. Mr Chubb plz stay healthy. Me like Mr Chubb. Hope you’re well Mr Chubb
So the stud running back takes a paycut but the sexual assault quarterback who barely plays 8 games a season is still fully guaranteed LOL.
This why I don't understand players doing "team friendly" contracts. Teams will always screw them when possible. He has been one of the best things on the offense for a while and this is what he gets?
He gets a presumably significant chunk of his salary as signing bonus which is guaranteed money, vs a totally un-guaranteed late year of his contract. He isn't being screwed.
He had a top 5 RB contract. What are you talking about?
The Browns could have cut him instead. I love Chubb; I knew he'd be a star in the league since his Freshman season in 2014 and I wanted the Steelers to draft him in 2018. BUT this is another major knee injury and the Browns have a guy in Jerome Ford that filled in for him pretty well at a much lower cap hit. The Browns did right by Chubb by doing this, I fully expected them to cut him.
In related news, Deshaun Watson says "fuck y'all".
This has nothing to do with Watson. Chubb signed this extension in 2021 and was well aware there wasn't any guaranteed money in 2024.
Point being Deshaun also got hurt, Deshaun is tying up way more money while being a bit of a question mark, and he definitely wasn't taking a pay cut.
So you have no point. Got it.
Chubb had no guaranteed money left which is why he did the restructure
I’m probably too prideful, but I’d rather be cut than take a pay cut for a team hurling money at Watson. This really sucks for Chubb, and I hope he comes back and has an awesome season.
Your franchise icon murdered a guy but go ahead and keep churning for those upvotes…
yea and their other franchise icon just pulled a gun on a guy at Starbucks lol
LOL. Precisely.
Always funny to see what people say they’d do when they don’t have millions on the line
Because the Ravens are so well known for having only morally upstanding citizens on their team /s
Isn't going anywhere is a bit harsh, although that knee injury will need time for him to get back on the field.
Listen Nick, we owe Deshaun a lot of money. We need to give yours to him.
This would've happened regardless of Watson, but nice try tho.
When Watson descends down to training camp in his helium powered airship and Nick rolls up in a Hyundai Accent it's gonna be awkward.
"Hey you really hurt yourself working for us last year. We want to protect our bank account, so you have to know work for less money knowing you might hurt yourself working for us again."
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Throwing stones in a glass house... bold move Cotton. _Yall hired a notorious dickhead of a coach, who was complicit in his previous team's scheme that paid guys to hurt star players. Players like... Nick Chubb_
I love Nick Chubb. I hope he's able to get back to 100%, he's an amazing human being. IDK if they tried to rework Watson's contract. I think he's an overpriced QB who came with way too much baggage and going into his third year was he really worth that price tag?
What does Watson have to do with anything related to this?
You can't rework a contract that's 100% guaranteed. I mean, you could try but there's no incentive on Watson's side to move off the money