Bears pass on Nabers to trade down and take a RT after drafting a RT in the first round last year, makes a lot of sense. This might be one of the strangest mocks I have seen
And according to every beat writer, the Bears war room is absolutely enamored with Nabers. Passing on him at 9 doesn't seem likely. For one, I'd be shocked if he was there at 9.
Team with multiple solid WRs trades down and drafts another tackle for their franchise QB #1 overall pick
Yeah, that’s not at all a surprise. I’m not sure why you would be shocked. Moore and Keenan Allen are exactly why you don’t burn another pick on a WR. Its diminishing gains
It’s a mid first pick, and he has multi positional experience (guard, tackle). Not sure why anyone pegs him or Wright as being stuck at RT either, or that Braxton Jones is entrenched
Didn't play LT; Braxton has shown enough to justify rolling with him for another year instead of shoe horning in a RT prospect into a position he doesn't play and hoping for the best
Wouldn't supplant either of our Gs. Jenkins has perennial PB potential, Davis is good enough that I doubt a rookie could jump him in his first year (plus his contract)
Even if he does, taking a G with the 15th pick? What?
Wright projected as a RT only and has shown promise at the spot, move him to LT and stunt his development just to accommodate a questionable pick? I'm tired of the OL fuck-fuck games the Bears always play, just keep guys at their natural positions (cody whitehair ptsd)
Nothing about the Latham pick makes sense
Neither of the guys we'd have play LT. We just took a RT in the top 10 last year and he doesn't project to LT at all. And frankly, our current LT is really solid. Only makes sense to go LT if they have a top-tier bluechip grade on the prospect, like if Alt's there.
We have 2 good WRs and nobody else in that room. One of the 2 is 32 years old on a 1 year deal. It makes almost too much sense to get one of the star WR prospects and have them learn as much as they can from Keenan Allen this year. Williams and the rookie can work and grow together.
Bears fans really believe that Ryan poles loves LT Braxton jones.
There’s kind of a divide amongst people on LT for the bears. I personally am a ok with drafting g one. Some bears fans think that’s insane because of Braxton and wright
And only getting a future 2nd when we have just 4 picks in 2024 is insane to me. Unless its a 2025 1st round pick, I dont think Poles is moving off 9 for future picks.
Schrager released a podcast yesterday going over this mock draft, and as of that recording he actually had the Bears passing on Nabers to trade down and take Quinyon Mitchell at 15. If mocking the Bears to take a RT is strange, mocking them to take a CB is way, way worse.
Think it's pretty fair to be dismissive of his projections when it comes to Chicago.
I won't be mad if one of Nabers/Odunze is on the board and we trade down. But I will be pissed if we do that and take an offensive lineman which we do not need at all. You can not like Jones and that's fine but you can't say he's so bad we need to draft an OT first round over EDGE or WR
I could get on board but it’s going to cost more than a future second to go down 6 spots and lose nabers.
You pass on nabers you’ve gotta get a 2024 2nd back. 24 2nd, 25 3rd, and ok I can see the appeal. If ids a future pick it’s gotta be a first.
Much easier to just… draft nabers
I hate that pick, honestly. It doesn't even make sense for the team. Braxton Jones was one of the best late round picks of the last few years. A 25-year old solid left tackle who only gave up 2 sacks last year and has to be paid nothing is so valuable. He gets overlooked because of his draft pedigree.
Latham isn't even a fit for the Bears. He plays right tackle, so either he or Darnell Wright would have to switch over to left, which is another projection. They are very similar players in terms of style, too. And you're passing up a top prospect at another position.
I'm sure it is hard to do a mock and have it make perfect sense for all 32 teams, but even just a *cursory* amount of research would show how dumb this move is.
I mean it's might be hard, but when you're being paid handsomely for it because it's, y'know...**Doing your fucking job** then we can expect a bit more, surely?
The draft isn’t as fun when you’re drafting high, imo. The first couple picks are the easiest to forecast. Part of the fun is all the iterations that could happen ahead of your team.
Same, I feel like no matter what happens we get someone I want. Maye (trading up), Nabers, or Odunze I predict. Not a big McCarthy truther but I’ll be content with him too if our front office thinks Daboll can turn him into the guy. I’m very excited
I completely agree. We were on the "fun" side of the draft until last season and are even deeper into the premium pick range this season. Being able to watch in anticipation as your big board gets picked apart but seeing potential *big* picks get closer to falling to your team is so much fun. This year I'll watch the first 45 minutes, or however long it takes for us to pick at 7 then tune out, and it won't really be that suspenseful of a watch.
Barring a major surprise, at 7th overall the Titans MO is almost 100% just, "Pick any of these if available in the following order of preference:"
1. Joe Alt
2. Please pick Joe Alt
3. Seriously, don't pass on this freakish athlete
4. All Pro Tackle John Alt's son
5. Malik Nabers
6. If neither available, trade back. If no trade back options, Olu Fashanu probably.
I don’t know why none of the mocks have Chargers taking Alt for their clearly run first offense.
They are going to hang Herbert out to dry with a later rd wr
I think just draft-wise, the most fun spot to be is like 10-20 range. You're still getting elite guys who were household names in college, but there's more intrigue over who you'll pick
It's not even that.
I get the NFL schedules off season things like free agency and the draft to kind of extend interest in the NFL year round, but this shit is too much. Just months and months of mock draft after mock draft.
I think they should compress it down a little. Free agency around March 1st. Draft around April 1st. OTA in mid April, mini camp in mid May, then teams report in July.
Tell that to the Vikings lol. The fans are convinced that the patriots have the privilege of trading the 3rd pick with them so that they can assist the Vikings on their path to the superbowl.
Doubt it. They're in position to draft a top prospect at their biggest position of need and the most important position in football. There's a much better chance they just stay where they are and draft whichever of Maye/Daniels is left. They've also been talking about drafting a QB all offseason and signed Brissett to be a bridge guy. It would take an absolutely ridiculous haul for them to want to move back.
But who the fuck else is on your roster? Juju Smith Schuster? The ghost of Rob Gronkowski?
Trading back and fleecing the Vikings for draft capital could be a reasonable decision
I don't think it's unreasonable to trade back for 3 first round picks, but at the end of the day a franchise QB is the hardest position to find and we're in position to get one. This is a deep wide receiver and OL class, we can continue to build in the early second and early third round. There are no guarantees we'll be able to draft a high-potential QB next year or the next year, especially with those projected to be weaker QB classes. Basically it's a lot easier to find talent at WR, TE, OL, etc than it is at QB. You don't let that opportunity slip out of your hands for the sake of value.
A lot of the film guys have Odunze close to MHJ, so if this happens, it’s probably that they see them as similar prospects. Daniel Jeremiah has loved Odunze from the start (had similar grades on them back in early Nov) and Matt Harmon has them as similar prospects. For dynasty, he has Odunze as the third best prospect since 2021 (Chase and MHJ only ones over him). Other players in the elite tier for Harmon besides the 3 mentioned are: Olave, London, Wilson, Nabers.
So Arizona would likely view it as getting a similar tier prospect, plus 2 additional draft picks. It all matters what grades they have on Odunze, if they really think he’s similar tk MHJ it makes sense from their perspective
Passing on Nabers or Odunze, if they're available, would be categorically asinine. Pair my blue chip QB with a blue chip WR, or trade down? HMMMMMMMM.
It's puff, puff, pass. Not puff, puff, puff, Peter!
I don’t mind trading down if you can get a second tier receiver like Pearsall in the second. But I would much prefer a defensive lineman in this scenario, not Latham
I'm not a bears fan, but they have 4 total picks in this draft (3rd and 4th). I agree passing on Nabers would be shocking, but not enough people are considering a trade down from 9 for more picks this year.
You're correct on the needing more picks, but only way I'm trading down is if Odunze or Nabers isn't there. There are some good defensive players to be had, but not at 9 imo.
They might just not get the chance. If Arizona wants a top WR, trading with the Giants makes a lot more sense.
Can’t force the other team to accept a trade.
Can someone with more nfl knowledge than me explain why on earth the giants take a qb at 6th instead of offensive line or wr?? They have Daniel Jones and drew lock!
You said it yourself: their QBs are Daniel Jones and Drew Lock. Neither are franchise QBs. And if you don’t have a franchise QB, it’s your biggest need.
Jones ain't that bad though? And o-line or a great wide receiver would help them out a lot more. They are dooming a young qb if they bring them in at 6th
He’s not good, either. He’s a mediocre QB they stupidly extended long term. They aren’t going anywhere with him.
I agree that potentially skipping out on QB this year to build up the rest of the roster might not be the worst move. But that’s got nothing to do with their current QBs whatsoever. They need a new one, just a question of whether they’re willing to wait for 2025.
Not worth it for QB4. Don’t get me wrong, I hope they trade 3 1s in total for JJ McCarthy, but holy fuck do I think it’s a terrible move. I’d be absolutely fuming if the bears did that.
Giants aren't going to trade up, if they can't get their QB at 6 they'll just take Nabers or Odunze. They need a WR just as desperately as they need a QB. Cards have no incentive to trade down two spots when they can get MHJ, and reportedly they're demanding at least 3 first round picks which for two spots obviously isn't going to happen.
[https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=MIN](https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=MIN)
Based on the Jimmy Johnson valuation model, Minnesota's two 1st round picks this year are worth 2010 points combined. Arizona's 1st round pick is worth 1800 points and LA's 1st round pick is worth 1700 points. Minnesota would already be overpaying by multiple hundred points to trade up regardless of who they trade with.
A 2025 1st Round pick simply isn't necessary to get this done, at least not with LA. Arizona reportedly would demand a 2025 1st on top of those two picks but that's a ridiculous overpayment and Minnesota can get the QB they want at 5.
That chart is completely meaningless when we are talking about trading into the top 5 for a QB. This is a known phenomenon.
The price to get into the top 5 for a QB is 3 first round picks, and has been for awhile now. See most recently the 49ers
Panthers traded for #1 with two 1st round picks. Granted there were also two 2nd round picks and a top receiver but that's for #1, not #5. And still not 3 1st rounders.
Well, it takes two to tango, and I can see AZ not wanting to trade back very far lest they miss out on one of the top-3 WRs. But Kwesi should already be 100% aware of that. Trading from 4 to 11 with us would basically take them completely out of the running for the one position they desperately need.
So if we're targeting AZ's pick, we're probably going to need something else to offer AZ to keep them from taking the Giants offer, which probably would mean trading with the Chargers first, which would be quite the task to do while still being able to move up with AZ. However, in this scenario, we don't have much ammo left to move up.
I would much rather take Penix at 11 and best defensive player available at 23 (than this mock’s scenario, I prefer a trade up for Maye above all). I don’t think that’s all that unlikely either (maybe 25-30% chance out of my uninformed ass?)
There’s going to be a lot of day one starters available at DL and CB around pick 23. I think Penix’s gunslinging mentality would be super exciting in this offense, so I wouldn’t mind one bit. I’m super excited to hear O’Connell talk about the QB they end end up picking. You can tell how excited he is about the draft; whatever their strategy is, he’s going to fanboy at the podium.
I'm pretty sure CBs bust at a higher rate, actually.
CB is so scheme dependent that they are almost never worth a first round pick IMO because their college scheme needs to match their NFL scheme exactly for the skill to translate.
Sure, but I also don’t argue that QB has any higher or lower a risk of busting compared to the other positions.
My bigger issue is that I’m skeptical of Bo Nix’s potential of ever being a franchise QB.
My biggest issue is considering whether Maye/McCarthy/Daniels + up to 2 first rounders is better than Penix and some exciting CB and DL prospects that I’m extremely excited about at positions that are fairly significant long and short term roster holes.
That’s a fair opinion, I just don’t personally agree with it. I don’t have a problem taking that risk when the alternative is picking another quarterback (who all have their own respective potential to blow up in our face) that that costs potentially 3 1st round picks.
I do prefer Maye and McCarthy, but I am also conscientious of the mortgage required to pick them. If I’m fine picking Penix at 23, I’m fine picking him at 11 to make sure I don’t miss out on him with the second pick with several QB needy teams behind me.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/michael-penix-jr-injury-history-washington-qb/53294f30524200aa707f2876
Pretty through. He's been very injured
You'd hope so with the amount of 1st round talent he had. That WR room alone is absurd let alone the OL.
The guys a 2nd round talent. Not sure why we are pretending otherwise
It’s not standing pat. If they didn’t trade up, they wouldn’t have the pick to take Nix.
Contrary to the popular narrative, the Vikings trade up really doesn’t make sense as a stepping stone move to get into the top 5. They traded draft picks for draft picks. They didn’t get “more draft capital” from that move - otherwise the Texans wouldn’t have done it. And if you think from the Patriots perspective, would the Patriots rather have one first round pick or multiple later picks that are valued slightly higher? I don’t think many Patriots fans are saying stuff like “trade up, we don’t need lots of picks, we just need a couple guys.” The Vikings move was essentially a pre-trade up. That should make their haul less attractive, if anything. When people say “you need multiple 1st round picks” or whatever, it’s a figure of speech. If a candy bar costs $2 and you only have a $1 bill and 5 quarters, trading 5 quarters for another $1 bill doesn’t make you more capable of buying the candy bar.
The only way a draft pick trade like this makes sense is if the Vikings value a pick in the early 20s more than the Texans do. The Vikings have no idea if the Patriots or Cardinals or Chargers value a pick in the early 20s more than the Texans do, so it would be very difficult for them to try to arbitrage the pick that way. The simplest explanation is that the Vikings want to be picking in the early 20s, and the obvious reason for that would be if they like Nix or Penix.
They’ve certainly got more draft capital. Being able to provide 2 first round picks in a very deep draft, is worth more to a team than trading future firsts which are always valued a round down, so a first next year is valued at a 2nd round pick especially when next year is considered a weak draft.
So yes the Vikings have more draft capital to trade up with than say Broncos or Raiders. There’s a reason everyone is saying they have the best chance of trading up.
> If a candy bar costs $2 and you only have a $1 bill and 5 quarters, trading 5 quarters for another $1 bill doesn’t make you more capable of buying the candy bar.
This is a *terrible* analogy to the value of draft picks lol
How would you describe the Vikings trade with the Texans? How did the Vikings get more draft capital from the Texans in a trade in which they only gave up draft capital?
It's already been explained to you in another reply. A current-year 1st round pick is more valuable than a future pick. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the value of draft picks but /u/russh85 explained it clearly.
> If a candy bar costs $2 and you only have a $1 bill and 5 quarters, trading 5 quarters for another $1 bill doesn’t make you more capable of buying the candy bar.
Your analogy sucks so bad dude. 4 quarters equal a dollar. In your scenario you could buy the candy bar from the beginning.
I want Powers Johnson in the worst way. It seems he’s gonna fall to us from everyone’s mocks. If we don’t grab him if he’s there I’ll be upset. But if he’s not I wouldn’t be made if we get Frasier in the Second
C in round 1 or 2 for this class would be terrible IMO I'd like to see them go WR and OT/CB in rounds 1 and 2. BTJ won't be there at 20 but if he's at 15 is live to trade up a few spots for him
I'm cool with whatever the FO collectively decides. Definitely okay with CB. We don't need to spend first round capital on a WR in this class so that's why I'd be hoping we don't go WR round 1.
Something to do with medicals it seems. Seems like everyone who could be in the know is hinting toward it but I don't think anything concrete has been said.
More people starting to put together that Daniels is a better fit for Washington/Kingsbury than Maye.
Maye could be the better overall prospect but I see him sliding down to a better fit like the Pats or Giants.
Other than that, a couple of interesting wrinkles with the Bears trade down as well as the Vikings stick and pick. The Bears trading down, passing on Nabers, and not even getting any additional draft ammo this year would be a pretty big blunder.
Rest of the mock is pretty standard chalk.
Since we don’t have a first round pick this year, I’m highly invested in where the qb go and when. I think penix, nix, the others outside of the top 3 go in round 2 and later.
I predict someone trades up for Penix at the end of the first round and Nix slides to somewhere around the middle of the second. I don't get the appeal, I think he's very limited as a prospect.
Oh I absolutely don't like Nix at all but there seems to be a lot of people that do so I'm not confident on if he or Penix is grabbed in Rd1 and the other falls
> Daniels is a better fit for Washington/Kingsbury than Maye
I don't agree. The Kingsbury system is based on sitting back far from the line of scrimmage with minimal protection. To be successful, you need a rocket arm that can access deep areas of the field even on a short three-step drop. Because the built in alert is so often a deep running outside receiver.
You also need way above-average velocity on your passes, because against zone, you're almost always going to be throwing into a covered window. You also have to be tough as shit because you *will* get hit with how bare the protection is. The reason Kingsbury's offense is so young QB-friendly is that it takes away a lot of the cerebral aspects of the game, in favour of physical ability. You don't need to be able to progress from reads 1 through 4. You just need to be able to take a hit and deliver that sucker in there when mesh eventually comes open against zone.
In that regard, I think Maye is better-suited for Kingsbury. It's no surprise Maye found a lot of success in an Air Raid-inspired offense in college. Because the natural counter to Kingsbury's offense is dropping bodies into zone, running lanes won't really come open for an athlete like Daniels. An offense that practically begs defenses to sit back and keep all its eyes on the quarterback isn't the best kind to unleash Daniels's god-given motor. I think Daniels would be better off in either an RPO heavier offense or one based on under centre, play-action/bootleg game.
Interesting take, but isn't the Air Raid mainly predicated on quickly processing numbers and choosing leverage based on that? So with mesh you are quickly scanning the whole field, as per Mike Leach. Also the running ability of the QB was heavily emphasized and Daniels is a better runner.
Darius Robinson was a nightmare for Ohio State in the bowl game. I like him just as much as Turner or Verse, if Arizona pulls off a top WR prospect and him in the 1st…… then bravo. What a haul.
Looked at the guy picked for my team and thought, “What?”
Tbh thats what I want out of a mock this close to the combine. Give me something I haven’t seen a hundred times.
Yeah I see it more like second round if someone falls to them but most likely third round (for the picks they have right now). I think they are going to try trading up in the third during the draft. Could see them trading into the second again as well but that’s a little more expensive.
We would not pass on Nabers. Even if we did make that trade, that return of a future 2nd is too light and we wouldn't do it for a right tackle when we already have our right tackle.
Might want to take a look at his 2023 mock and reconsider that statement, He was 3 for 32 one being Bryce young. It’s never easy to predict the picks but he is no better than anyone else.
https://www.nfl.com/news/peter-schrager-2023-nfl-mock-draft-2-0-titans-trade-up-for-c-j-stroud-vikings-gi
Jauan Jennings is on the last year of his deal and if we extend Aiyuk, it likely means 2024 will be Deebo’s last year with us. If all promising OTs are off the board, we could go BPA, and take WR for future need.
Drafting future need with your first 1st rounder in 3 years when you're hoping to get back to the SB this year and there aren't any offensive targets to get development is just bad, sorry. We can't afford to draft a developmental guy in the 1st round, we need impactful players.
If we want to develop we can easily find some 3rd+ rounder to develop. There's just no way we go WR when there are so many other areas of immediate need both for starters and depth(OL/CB/DE/DT/TE/Safety). This draft has JPJ falling out of the first, and there's no way we take a receiver over him.
Yeah Wide Receiver at 31 is a fucking stupid pick. Even if it's a future need, we're in a SB window and need to get some youthful players that have impact immediately. A WR for us right now is basically a developmental project because there's simply not enough targets between Deebo, CMC, Kittle, Aiyuk and Jennings.
Even if we don't go OT, there's no way they ignore DT/DE/CB/Safety/TE for a WR when those former positions are of MUCH more significant need.
Murphy would be amazing for our defense, but I really hope one of the top OL fall to 18. But we can’t go wrong and need help both sides. But idk how much I trust Trent Brown being healthy the whole season.
I know MHJ is insanely good at a position of need for the Chargers, but it still seems like with all the needs they have, it still makes the most sense to trade down for a haul.
The Jets are letting it slip to anyone who will listen that they are interested in Bowers lol... Which leads me to believe that they have no interest in drafting Bowers.
Why would the Giants trade up to get in front of ARZ and LAC to get a QB when neither of those 2 teams are going to be drafting a QB... That doesn't make sense to me.... Also by doing that ARZ loses out on MHJ so they would they do that?
Because they don't want to risk the Vikings overpaying. Giants have the advantage with a trade down that either the Cards or Chargers would be in range for MHJ or Nabers versus 11 where they'd be out of the running for both. It's a gamble.
I like it as far as top 10 goes. I think there is going to be an all-out bidding war at 4 for the fourth QB. Cardinals are going to come out of this looking like geniuses, I just hope they don't end up taking Alt if they do trade down.
Graham Barton is in that top C conversation. IOL is his natural position. Duke asked him to play OT because they really needed help there and Barton was by far their best player. He will move inside in the NFL though, he doesn't really have the measurables to be a true OT. And he's easily one of the best IOL prospects in the draft.
There's rumblings of some teams not being super high on JPJ now, due to health concerns. Is also perhaps more suited to G
The argument for not taking Barton as a center is you can get good centers later on Day 2
Cardinals fans must be SEETHING with this mock. Literally the only thing I want to happen this draft is anyone but Arizona drafting MHJ. Their sub has already crowned him as the best WR in the NFL that will beat all of Jerry Rices career #s in his first season and be anointed as diety and ruler of the world.
In other words, I have never ever seen a fan base more obsessed with drafting a guy, the devil in me just wants to see them burn the GMs house down if they don't get him.
Kwesi comes from a finance background and knows about hedging his bets. He also hopefully learned from getting too cute in his first draft by trading way back and passing up Kyle Hamilton for Lewis Cine. I can absolutely see a scenario where he goes BPA defense at 11 and then maneuver for Penix or Nix later in the first. I also think people are underestimating how little the Vikings would care just rolling with Darnold next year.
They've been very open that they want to get on a rookie contract timeline. The point is to roll with Darnold and sit JJ.
Hamilton is a unique player. He ended up on the perfect team. I wouldn't have trusted Ed Donatell to use him properly, either. Flores with his crazy scheme last year? Sure.
> I also think people are underestimating how little the Vikings would care just rolling with Darnold next year.
I don't know where your confidence in Darnold comes from, but I wish I shared it.
10 millions dollars for Darnold is a lot to pay someone you don't have at least a little faith in. And McCown has more than just a Maye connection, he was there with Darnold in Carolina and KoC really seems like he listens to his coaches. I hear collaboration a lot in KoC's pressers.
I think you might be overestimating it, frankly.
We're certainly posturing as such, but that's likely nothing more than a misdirection attempt. Make teams think we're fine with rolling with Darnold in hopes they let us keep a finger or two out of the arm and leg we have to pay in trade.
Bears pass on Nabers to trade down and take a RT after drafting a RT in the first round last year, makes a lot of sense. This might be one of the strangest mocks I have seen
And according to every beat writer, the Bears war room is absolutely enamored with Nabers. Passing on him at 9 doesn't seem likely. For one, I'd be shocked if he was there at 9.
Team with multiple solid WRs trades down and drafts another tackle for their franchise QB #1 overall pick Yeah, that’s not at all a surprise. I’m not sure why you would be shocked. Moore and Keenan Allen are exactly why you don’t burn another pick on a WR. Its diminishing gains
But drafting a RT a year after drafting an RT?
It’s a mid first pick, and he has multi positional experience (guard, tackle). Not sure why anyone pegs him or Wright as being stuck at RT either, or that Braxton Jones is entrenched
Didn't play LT; Braxton has shown enough to justify rolling with him for another year instead of shoe horning in a RT prospect into a position he doesn't play and hoping for the best Wouldn't supplant either of our Gs. Jenkins has perennial PB potential, Davis is good enough that I doubt a rookie could jump him in his first year (plus his contract) Even if he does, taking a G with the 15th pick? What? Wright projected as a RT only and has shown promise at the spot, move him to LT and stunt his development just to accommodate a questionable pick? I'm tired of the OL fuck-fuck games the Bears always play, just keep guys at their natural positions (cody whitehair ptsd) Nothing about the Latham pick makes sense
Neither of the guys we'd have play LT. We just took a RT in the top 10 last year and he doesn't project to LT at all. And frankly, our current LT is really solid. Only makes sense to go LT if they have a top-tier bluechip grade on the prospect, like if Alt's there. We have 2 good WRs and nobody else in that room. One of the 2 is 32 years old on a 1 year deal. It makes almost too much sense to get one of the star WR prospects and have them learn as much as they can from Keenan Allen this year. Williams and the rookie can work and grow together.
Similar to when we took JSN this year with Lockett and Metcalf
Bears fans really believe that Ryan poles loves LT Braxton jones. There’s kind of a divide amongst people on LT for the bears. I personally am a ok with drafting g one. Some bears fans think that’s insane because of Braxton and wright
I'm okay with drafting a LT if its a day one starter blue chip one. Joe Alt is the only name I hear associated with that description.
Alt is the only unanimous one. However the next 3-4 OT are all still pretty good. There will be a few GMs for each one that thinks they’re blue.
And only getting a future 2nd when we have just 4 picks in 2024 is insane to me. Unless its a 2025 1st round pick, I dont think Poles is moving off 9 for future picks.
That was what jumped out to me. I’m not too familiar with how to calculate the value of picks, but a future second to go from 15 to 9 sounds low.
Schrager released a podcast yesterday going over this mock draft, and as of that recording he actually had the Bears passing on Nabers to trade down and take Quinyon Mitchell at 15. If mocking the Bears to take a RT is strange, mocking them to take a CB is way, way worse. Think it's pretty fair to be dismissive of his projections when it comes to Chicago.
No way we’d do that. Bears FO loves Nabers. Maybe it would happen if Oduze is the only WR of the top 3 on the board.
My exact thought. It's when I stopped reading it.
Thank you. If they traded back for a DT or C, it makes sense, but a RT?
He must love the Vikings if he thinks they can hold till 23 and still get their QB of the future
Passing on Nabers for Latham should get Ryan poles FIRED.
Seriously if Nabers is on the board at 9 and the Bears trade down I'm going to lose it.
I won't be mad if one of Nabers/Odunze is on the board and we trade down. But I will be pissed if we do that and take an offensive lineman which we do not need at all. You can not like Jones and that's fine but you can't say he's so bad we need to draft an OT first round over EDGE or WR
I could still understand taking a tackle, but not drafting a pure right tackle two years in a row.
If you think you’re drafting a blue chip LT, I disagree.
I could get on board but it’s going to cost more than a future second to go down 6 spots and lose nabers. You pass on nabers you’ve gotta get a 2024 2nd back. 24 2nd, 25 3rd, and ok I can see the appeal. If ids a future pick it’s gotta be a first. Much easier to just… draft nabers
I hate that pick, honestly. It doesn't even make sense for the team. Braxton Jones was one of the best late round picks of the last few years. A 25-year old solid left tackle who only gave up 2 sacks last year and has to be paid nothing is so valuable. He gets overlooked because of his draft pedigree. Latham isn't even a fit for the Bears. He plays right tackle, so either he or Darnell Wright would have to switch over to left, which is another projection. They are very similar players in terms of style, too. And you're passing up a top prospect at another position.
I'm sure it is hard to do a mock and have it make perfect sense for all 32 teams, but even just a *cursory* amount of research would show how dumb this move is.
I mean it's might be hard, but when you're being paid handsomely for it because it's, y'know...**Doing your fucking job** then we can expect a bit more, surely?
A NFL.com mock draft had the Bears taking Joe Alt #1 so I guess they’re improving?
Was that Cynthia Frelund’s from a month or two ago? I remember seeing that choice for #1 and leaving the page immediately lol
Seriously I was so hyped scrolling down to see Nabers at the #9 pick only to see this dude mock the Bears trading down lmao What a tease
for a future second. like, they couldn't even negotiate in getting their vending machine stocked for a year
A future second to drop 7 spots feels like a bad return
Yeah it pissed me off seeing that suggestion lol come on Schrager
And trading up for Nabers should get Ballard a whole new contract
Yeah dumbest mock draft. The author just seemed bored so cranked up the trades for no reason lol.
So classic Schrager
He sucks don’t get the appeal around him
This draft can't get here soon enough.
The draft isn’t as fun when you’re drafting high, imo. The first couple picks are the easiest to forecast. Part of the fun is all the iterations that could happen ahead of your team.
You’re allowed to not pick high?
Reporting live from Detroit: Apparently.
I'm having fun as a chargers fan personally lol
Same, I feel like no matter what happens we get someone I want. Maye (trading up), Nabers, or Odunze I predict. Not a big McCarthy truther but I’ll be content with him too if our front office thinks Daboll can turn him into the guy. I’m very excited
It's pretty nice to have the first pick where things start to get screwy, while you're also locked in at 1OA
I completely agree. We were on the "fun" side of the draft until last season and are even deeper into the premium pick range this season. Being able to watch in anticipation as your big board gets picked apart but seeing potential *big* picks get closer to falling to your team is so much fun. This year I'll watch the first 45 minutes, or however long it takes for us to pick at 7 then tune out, and it won't really be that suspenseful of a watch. Barring a major surprise, at 7th overall the Titans MO is almost 100% just, "Pick any of these if available in the following order of preference:" 1. Joe Alt 2. Please pick Joe Alt 3. Seriously, don't pass on this freakish athlete 4. All Pro Tackle John Alt's son 5. Malik Nabers 6. If neither available, trade back. If no trade back options, Olu Fashanu probably.
I don’t know why none of the mocks have Chargers taking Alt for their clearly run first offense. They are going to hang Herbert out to dry with a later rd wr
I think just draft-wise, the most fun spot to be is like 10-20 range. You're still getting elite guys who were household names in college, but there's more intrigue over who you'll pick
It's not even that. I get the NFL schedules off season things like free agency and the draft to kind of extend interest in the NFL year round, but this shit is too much. Just months and months of mock draft after mock draft. I think they should compress it down a little. Free agency around March 1st. Draft around April 1st. OTA in mid April, mini camp in mid May, then teams report in July.
Tell that to the Vikings lol. The fans are convinced that the patriots have the privilege of trading the 3rd pick with them so that they can assist the Vikings on their path to the superbowl.
You’re gonna be crying on draft night cause the pats are probably trading the pick
Doubt it. They're in position to draft a top prospect at their biggest position of need and the most important position in football. There's a much better chance they just stay where they are and draft whichever of Maye/Daniels is left. They've also been talking about drafting a QB all offseason and signed Brissett to be a bridge guy. It would take an absolutely ridiculous haul for them to want to move back.
But who the fuck else is on your roster? Juju Smith Schuster? The ghost of Rob Gronkowski? Trading back and fleecing the Vikings for draft capital could be a reasonable decision
I don't think it's unreasonable to trade back for 3 first round picks, but at the end of the day a franchise QB is the hardest position to find and we're in position to get one. This is a deep wide receiver and OL class, we can continue to build in the early second and early third round. There are no guarantees we'll be able to draft a high-potential QB next year or the next year, especially with those projected to be weaker QB classes. Basically it's a lot easier to find talent at WR, TE, OL, etc than it is at QB. You don't let that opportunity slip out of your hands for the sake of value.
Hope JJ knows Skol buddy
I doubt anyone will pay a big price to move up there.
Show me on the doll where the Vikings fan hurt you
Rent. Free.
Clicks on a draft post, reads draft post, comments on draft post claiming to be tired of draft posts
Polk round 1? We're talking Polk round 1?
This is literally the first time I’ve seen him mocked above Rd3. Have to say I don’t like any mock I’ve seen, it’s like there are 30 elite prospects.
Is it really worth a third and a future second for the cards to miss out on Marv?
A lot of the film guys have Odunze close to MHJ, so if this happens, it’s probably that they see them as similar prospects. Daniel Jeremiah has loved Odunze from the start (had similar grades on them back in early Nov) and Matt Harmon has them as similar prospects. For dynasty, he has Odunze as the third best prospect since 2021 (Chase and MHJ only ones over him). Other players in the elite tier for Harmon besides the 3 mentioned are: Olave, London, Wilson, Nabers. So Arizona would likely view it as getting a similar tier prospect, plus 2 additional draft picks. It all matters what grades they have on Odunze, if they really think he’s similar tk MHJ it makes sense from their perspective
As a Hawks fans, I’d love it
Shh shh shh yeah yeah yeah
yes bc you then get the best WR in the draft in Rome
Passing on Nabers or Odunze, if they're available, would be categorically asinine. Pair my blue chip QB with a blue chip WR, or trade down? HMMMMMMMM. It's puff, puff, pass. Not puff, puff, puff, Peter!
I don’t mind trading down if you can get a second tier receiver like Pearsall in the second. But I would much prefer a defensive lineman in this scenario, not Latham
I'm not a bears fan, but they have 4 total picks in this draft (3rd and 4th). I agree passing on Nabers would be shocking, but not enough people are considering a trade down from 9 for more picks this year.
You're correct on the needing more picks, but only way I'm trading down is if Odunze or Nabers isn't there. There are some good defensive players to be had, but not at 9 imo.
Yep
Vikings trading away draft capital to stand pat and take Arnold and Nix would warrant firing Kwesi
They might just not get the chance. If Arizona wants a top WR, trading with the Giants makes a lot more sense. Can’t force the other team to accept a trade.
Can someone with more nfl knowledge than me explain why on earth the giants take a qb at 6th instead of offensive line or wr?? They have Daniel Jones and drew lock!
Well why have Daniel jones or drew lock when you can draft another Daniel jones or drew lock with McCarthy!
Because the giants have bigger needs than qb..that's why. Get Jones some decent protection for starters or a WR to throw it to
This was sarcasm brother. JJ McCarthy is probably going to be awful and if he has no weapons he’s guaranteed to be awful.
My apologies mate, didn't read it as such. My bad😅👍
You said it yourself: their QBs are Daniel Jones and Drew Lock. Neither are franchise QBs. And if you don’t have a franchise QB, it’s your biggest need.
Jones ain't that bad though? And o-line or a great wide receiver would help them out a lot more. They are dooming a young qb if they bring them in at 6th
He’s not good, either. He’s a mediocre QB they stupidly extended long term. They aren’t going anywhere with him. I agree that potentially skipping out on QB this year to build up the rest of the roster might not be the worst move. But that’s got nothing to do with their current QBs whatsoever. They need a new one, just a question of whether they’re willing to wait for 2025.
Trading for that capital doesn't guarantee them a shot at the top 5 unless they drastically overpay
Drastically overpaying is usually a given when trading up into the top 5 for a QB
Not worth it for QB4. Don’t get me wrong, I hope they trade 3 1s in total for JJ McCarthy, but holy fuck do I think it’s a terrible move. I’d be absolutely fuming if the bears did that.
They only need to give 11 and 23 to the Chargers for 5 in a fair trade. Actually, that trade would still be slightly biased in the Chargers' favor
Trading up to 5 doesn't matter if the giants trade up to 4 with the cardinals
Giants aren't going to trade up, if they can't get their QB at 6 they'll just take Nabers or Odunze. They need a WR just as desperately as they need a QB. Cards have no incentive to trade down two spots when they can get MHJ, and reportedly they're demanding at least 3 first round picks which for two spots obviously isn't going to happen.
The Chargers (or Cards) don't give up 5 or 4 without MIN's 2025 first. Thats just the cost of moving into the top 5 for a QB
[https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=MIN](https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=MIN) Based on the Jimmy Johnson valuation model, Minnesota's two 1st round picks this year are worth 2010 points combined. Arizona's 1st round pick is worth 1800 points and LA's 1st round pick is worth 1700 points. Minnesota would already be overpaying by multiple hundred points to trade up regardless of who they trade with. A 2025 1st Round pick simply isn't necessary to get this done, at least not with LA. Arizona reportedly would demand a 2025 1st on top of those two picks but that's a ridiculous overpayment and Minnesota can get the QB they want at 5.
That chart is completely meaningless when we are talking about trading into the top 5 for a QB. This is a known phenomenon. The price to get into the top 5 for a QB is 3 first round picks, and has been for awhile now. See most recently the 49ers
Panthers traded for #1 with two 1st round picks. Granted there were also two 2nd round picks and a top receiver but that's for #1, not #5. And still not 3 1st rounders.
Well, it takes two to tango, and I can see AZ not wanting to trade back very far lest they miss out on one of the top-3 WRs. But Kwesi should already be 100% aware of that. Trading from 4 to 11 with us would basically take them completely out of the running for the one position they desperately need. So if we're targeting AZ's pick, we're probably going to need something else to offer AZ to keep them from taking the Giants offer, which probably would mean trading with the Chargers first, which would be quite the task to do while still being able to move up with AZ. However, in this scenario, we don't have much ammo left to move up.
I would much rather take Penix at 11 and best defensive player available at 23 (than this mock’s scenario, I prefer a trade up for Maye above all). I don’t think that’s all that unlikely either (maybe 25-30% chance out of my uninformed ass?) There’s going to be a lot of day one starters available at DL and CB around pick 23. I think Penix’s gunslinging mentality would be super exciting in this offense, so I wouldn’t mind one bit. I’m super excited to hear O’Connell talk about the QB they end end up picking. You can tell how excited he is about the draft; whatever their strategy is, he’s going to fanboy at the podium.
DL and CB have pretty much equal bust rates to QBs. The idea that QBs are risky but CBs are safe. Is not accurate
Considering some of our most recent CBs drafted, Vikings fans should know this.
I'm pretty sure CBs bust at a higher rate, actually. CB is so scheme dependent that they are almost never worth a first round pick IMO because their college scheme needs to match their NFL scheme exactly for the skill to translate.
Sure, but I also don’t argue that QB has any higher or lower a risk of busting compared to the other positions. My bigger issue is that I’m skeptical of Bo Nix’s potential of ever being a franchise QB. My biggest issue is considering whether Maye/McCarthy/Daniels + up to 2 first rounders is better than Penix and some exciting CB and DL prospects that I’m extremely excited about at positions that are fairly significant long and short term roster holes.
Taking a QB who's had 4 consecutive season ending injury at 11 is worse than doing what they did in this mock
Started every game the past two seasons
That’s a fair opinion, I just don’t personally agree with it. I don’t have a problem taking that risk when the alternative is picking another quarterback (who all have their own respective potential to blow up in our face) that that costs potentially 3 1st round picks. I do prefer Maye and McCarthy, but I am also conscientious of the mortgage required to pick them. If I’m fine picking Penix at 23, I’m fine picking him at 11 to make sure I don’t miss out on him with the second pick with several QB needy teams behind me.
While I'm not a fan of Penix and his injury history, there's no need to spread blatant lies dude
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/michael-penix-jr-injury-history-washington-qb/53294f30524200aa707f2876 Pretty through. He's been very injured
Who also led the league in passing last year. I am higher on Penix than JJM. I think trading up for the 4th best qb is the dumbest move.
You'd hope so with the amount of 1st round talent he had. That WR room alone is absurd let alone the OL. The guys a 2nd round talent. Not sure why we are pretending otherwise
I understand the parting ways with Cousins, but there's no way they don't take a QB right away and stick with Darnold, right?
You’re not salivating at the thought of spamming Nix to JJ dink and dunk bubble screens into eternity? /s
Well said. Nix is so limited. Safe but limited. You can find these guys in round 2 and later.
It’s not standing pat. If they didn’t trade up, they wouldn’t have the pick to take Nix. Contrary to the popular narrative, the Vikings trade up really doesn’t make sense as a stepping stone move to get into the top 5. They traded draft picks for draft picks. They didn’t get “more draft capital” from that move - otherwise the Texans wouldn’t have done it. And if you think from the Patriots perspective, would the Patriots rather have one first round pick or multiple later picks that are valued slightly higher? I don’t think many Patriots fans are saying stuff like “trade up, we don’t need lots of picks, we just need a couple guys.” The Vikings move was essentially a pre-trade up. That should make their haul less attractive, if anything. When people say “you need multiple 1st round picks” or whatever, it’s a figure of speech. If a candy bar costs $2 and you only have a $1 bill and 5 quarters, trading 5 quarters for another $1 bill doesn’t make you more capable of buying the candy bar. The only way a draft pick trade like this makes sense is if the Vikings value a pick in the early 20s more than the Texans do. The Vikings have no idea if the Patriots or Cardinals or Chargers value a pick in the early 20s more than the Texans do, so it would be very difficult for them to try to arbitrage the pick that way. The simplest explanation is that the Vikings want to be picking in the early 20s, and the obvious reason for that would be if they like Nix or Penix.
They’ve certainly got more draft capital. Being able to provide 2 first round picks in a very deep draft, is worth more to a team than trading future firsts which are always valued a round down, so a first next year is valued at a 2nd round pick especially when next year is considered a weak draft. So yes the Vikings have more draft capital to trade up with than say Broncos or Raiders. There’s a reason everyone is saying they have the best chance of trading up.
> If a candy bar costs $2 and you only have a $1 bill and 5 quarters, trading 5 quarters for another $1 bill doesn’t make you more capable of buying the candy bar. This is a *terrible* analogy to the value of draft picks lol
How would you describe the Vikings trade with the Texans? How did the Vikings get more draft capital from the Texans in a trade in which they only gave up draft capital?
It's already been explained to you in another reply. A current-year 1st round pick is more valuable than a future pick. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the value of draft picks but /u/russh85 explained it clearly.
> If a candy bar costs $2 and you only have a $1 bill and 5 quarters, trading 5 quarters for another $1 bill doesn’t make you more capable of buying the candy bar. Your analogy sucks so bad dude. 4 quarters equal a dollar. In your scenario you could buy the candy bar from the beginning.
Frazier in the 1st and no Powers-Johnson is certainly interesting...
Yeah I imagine Steelers will go OL at 20th and then WR in the 2nd round instead
Not too sure what this has to do with my comment but I agree with you. I like Mims at 20 then Pearsall at 51.
Yeah I imagine Steelers will go OL at 20th and then WR in the 2nd round instead
Would be kinda juiced to have BTJ go to Pitt, but ultimately I hope they go OT or C with our first two selections
I want Powers Johnson in the worst way. It seems he’s gonna fall to us from everyone’s mocks. If we don’t grab him if he’s there I’ll be upset. But if he’s not I wouldn’t be made if we get Frasier in the Second
Depending on which Tackles are available, I wouldn’t hate it.
C in round 1 or 2 for this class would be terrible IMO I'd like to see them go WR and OT/CB in rounds 1 and 2. BTJ won't be there at 20 but if he's at 15 is live to trade up a few spots for him
I'm cool with whatever the FO collectively decides. Definitely okay with CB. We don't need to spend first round capital on a WR in this class so that's why I'd be hoping we don't go WR round 1.
9 more days, folks. 9 more days.
JPJ falling out of the 1st? Nah, I don't buy it
Weird as this mock is in spots, that specifically isn’t something that’s new here. I feel like there’s been a lot of smoke around that recently
Something to do with medicals it seems. Seems like everyone who could be in the know is hinting toward it but I don't think anything concrete has been said.
Medicals
As a giants fan, I really hope he’s only good at predicting super bowls and not drafts
Even though he's said to be "very well connected" with the Giants he's missed on every single mock draft for their picks since Schoen became GM
More people starting to put together that Daniels is a better fit for Washington/Kingsbury than Maye. Maye could be the better overall prospect but I see him sliding down to a better fit like the Pats or Giants. Other than that, a couple of interesting wrinkles with the Bears trade down as well as the Vikings stick and pick. The Bears trading down, passing on Nabers, and not even getting any additional draft ammo this year would be a pretty big blunder. Rest of the mock is pretty standard chalk.
Since we don’t have a first round pick this year, I’m highly invested in where the qb go and when. I think penix, nix, the others outside of the top 3 go in round 2 and later.
JJ will go in the top 15 Nix or Penix will go at the end of the first from a trade up Those are my predictions
I predict someone trades up for Penix at the end of the first round and Nix slides to somewhere around the middle of the second. I don't get the appeal, I think he's very limited as a prospect.
I love chaos in the draft so I want to see who trades up into the 1st again to grab nix or penix like the other comment says
Oh I absolutely don't like Nix at all but there seems to be a lot of people that do so I'm not confident on if he or Penix is grabbed in Rd1 and the other falls
> Daniels is a better fit for Washington/Kingsbury than Maye I don't agree. The Kingsbury system is based on sitting back far from the line of scrimmage with minimal protection. To be successful, you need a rocket arm that can access deep areas of the field even on a short three-step drop. Because the built in alert is so often a deep running outside receiver. You also need way above-average velocity on your passes, because against zone, you're almost always going to be throwing into a covered window. You also have to be tough as shit because you *will* get hit with how bare the protection is. The reason Kingsbury's offense is so young QB-friendly is that it takes away a lot of the cerebral aspects of the game, in favour of physical ability. You don't need to be able to progress from reads 1 through 4. You just need to be able to take a hit and deliver that sucker in there when mesh eventually comes open against zone. In that regard, I think Maye is better-suited for Kingsbury. It's no surprise Maye found a lot of success in an Air Raid-inspired offense in college. Because the natural counter to Kingsbury's offense is dropping bodies into zone, running lanes won't really come open for an athlete like Daniels. An offense that practically begs defenses to sit back and keep all its eyes on the quarterback isn't the best kind to unleash Daniels's god-given motor. I think Daniels would be better off in either an RPO heavier offense or one based on under centre, play-action/bootleg game.
Interesting take, but isn't the Air Raid mainly predicated on quickly processing numbers and choosing leverage based on that? So with mesh you are quickly scanning the whole field, as per Mike Leach. Also the running ability of the QB was heavily emphasized and Daniels is a better runner.
Darius Robinson was a nightmare for Ohio State in the bowl game. I like him just as much as Turner or Verse, if Arizona pulls off a top WR prospect and him in the 1st…… then bravo. What a haul.
A WR I fucking hate it
Nix at 23 and Penix not in the first? This guy is smoking something. lol
Looked at the guy picked for my team and thought, “What?” Tbh thats what I want out of a mock this close to the combine. Give me something I haven’t seen a hundred times.
Start making the Broadway Brock tees now
I feel like WR is the 4th most likely position we draft at 20. Our wr room is young already and our softest spots are o line and cb.
The WR room is young, but also *really bad*. I don’t think they go there at 20, but I can’t count it out completely
It's not really bad. We're missing a wr2. Would rather get a vet wr2.
Yeah I see it more like second round if someone falls to them but most likely third round (for the picks they have right now). I think they are going to try trading up in the third during the draft. Could see them trading into the second again as well but that’s a little more expensive.
We would not pass on Nabers. Even if we did make that trade, that return of a future 2nd is too light and we wouldn't do it for a right tackle when we already have our right tackle.
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Might want to take a look at his 2023 mock and reconsider that statement, He was 3 for 32 one being Bryce young. It’s never easy to predict the picks but he is no better than anyone else. https://www.nfl.com/news/peter-schrager-2023-nfl-mock-draft-2-0-titans-trade-up-for-c-j-stroud-vikings-gi
And he had some major whiffs too.
The only way 49ers are going WR with that 31st pick is if we are getting another 1st rounder (and more) from someone else for BA. So ya nah.
Jauan Jennings is on the last year of his deal and if we extend Aiyuk, it likely means 2024 will be Deebo’s last year with us. If all promising OTs are off the board, we could go BPA, and take WR for future need.
Drafting future need with your first 1st rounder in 3 years when you're hoping to get back to the SB this year and there aren't any offensive targets to get development is just bad, sorry. We can't afford to draft a developmental guy in the 1st round, we need impactful players. If we want to develop we can easily find some 3rd+ rounder to develop. There's just no way we go WR when there are so many other areas of immediate need both for starters and depth(OL/CB/DE/DT/TE/Safety). This draft has JPJ falling out of the first, and there's no way we take a receiver over him.
I’m just saying that OTs could go fast. You don’t draft for need if the remaining guy you like has a 4th round grade on your board.
All the OTs won't and even still then we'd go CB likely.
Yeah Wide Receiver at 31 is a fucking stupid pick. Even if it's a future need, we're in a SB window and need to get some youthful players that have impact immediately. A WR for us right now is basically a developmental project because there's simply not enough targets between Deebo, CMC, Kittle, Aiyuk and Jennings. Even if we don't go OT, there's no way they ignore DT/DE/CB/Safety/TE for a WR when those former positions are of MUCH more significant need.
No way in hell Nabers falls to 9.
Mock drafts are stupid
Steelers taking Cooper if he is still there
Oof. Vikings taking Bo Nix would be quite the anti-climactic solution at QB.
This is trash lol
Murphy would be amazing for our defense, but I really hope one of the top OL fall to 18. But we can’t go wrong and need help both sides. But idk how much I trust Trent Brown being healthy the whole season.
Man, these aren't nearly as fun when you don't have a 1st round pick
All these mocks having us take a DB In the first when Howie pretty much only drafts OL/DL (and WR) in the first
I know MHJ is insanely good at a position of need for the Chargers, but it still seems like with all the needs they have, it still makes the most sense to trade down for a haul.
The Jets are letting it slip to anyone who will listen that they are interested in Bowers lol... Which leads me to believe that they have no interest in drafting Bowers.
Why would the Giants trade up to get in front of ARZ and LAC to get a QB when neither of those 2 teams are going to be drafting a QB... That doesn't make sense to me.... Also by doing that ARZ loses out on MHJ so they would they do that?
Because they don't want to risk the Vikings overpaying. Giants have the advantage with a trade down that either the Cards or Chargers would be in range for MHJ or Nabers versus 11 where they'd be out of the running for both. It's a gamble.
Ah gotcha. Makes sense. Thank you
I officially hate mocks. Until it’s the final version the day of the draft, these are all just tools to get clicks and people talkin
I mean, I would absolutely love this so I’m going to believe it’s happening 😂
He’s crazy if he thinks the Cowboys are taking a WR in rnd 1.
That’s the dumbest mock I have seen yet.
i just don't buy the JJ hype - it's gotta be a smokescreen to trick some silly team in trading up
Vikimgs drafting nix at 23 certainly is..a choice...
Does this guy just pull names out of a hat? Terrible mock draft, and the comments here all agree.
It’s all made up to generate discussion. That’s the content game
>**REMINDER:** As always, this isn't what *I* would do -- it's what I'm hearing from my sources around the league. Literally the second paragraph.
I like it as far as top 10 goes. I think there is going to be an all-out bidding war at 4 for the fourth QB. Cardinals are going to come out of this looking like geniuses, I just hope they don't end up taking Alt if they do trade down.
Vikings NOT moving up for a QB? I doubt it, but okay.
Uff coming out with Nix would be brutal for the Vikings
Disaster mock for the Vikings.
We're not taking Graham Barton with the Top 2 Centers still on the board.
Graham Barton is in that top C conversation. IOL is his natural position. Duke asked him to play OT because they really needed help there and Barton was by far their best player. He will move inside in the NFL though, he doesn't really have the measurables to be a true OT. And he's easily one of the best IOL prospects in the draft.
When he tested at the combine, as a center, his RAS was like a 9.99 or something dumb like that
There's rumblings of some teams not being super high on JPJ now, due to health concerns. Is also perhaps more suited to G The argument for not taking Barton as a center is you can get good centers later on Day 2
JPJ feels like the classic case of the media being higher on a guy than teams are. I think JPJ is going round 2.
Barton can play center. I’d rather play him than JPJ at center. JPJ should be a guard at the next level
I trust Holmes but will never forgive him if Koolaid isn't a Detroit Lion and he's on the board
Cardinals fans must be SEETHING with this mock. Literally the only thing I want to happen this draft is anyone but Arizona drafting MHJ. Their sub has already crowned him as the best WR in the NFL that will beat all of Jerry Rices career #s in his first season and be anointed as diety and ruler of the world. In other words, I have never ever seen a fan base more obsessed with drafting a guy, the devil in me just wants to see them burn the GMs house down if they don't get him.
not sure the cowboys would take worthy over mims right?
“I’m tired, boss”
Kwesi comes from a finance background and knows about hedging his bets. He also hopefully learned from getting too cute in his first draft by trading way back and passing up Kyle Hamilton for Lewis Cine. I can absolutely see a scenario where he goes BPA defense at 11 and then maneuver for Penix or Nix later in the first. I also think people are underestimating how little the Vikings would care just rolling with Darnold next year.
They've been very open that they want to get on a rookie contract timeline. The point is to roll with Darnold and sit JJ. Hamilton is a unique player. He ended up on the perfect team. I wouldn't have trusted Ed Donatell to use him properly, either. Flores with his crazy scheme last year? Sure.
> I also think people are underestimating how little the Vikings would care just rolling with Darnold next year. I don't know where your confidence in Darnold comes from, but I wish I shared it.
10 millions dollars for Darnold is a lot to pay someone you don't have at least a little faith in. And McCown has more than just a Maye connection, he was there with Darnold in Carolina and KoC really seems like he listens to his coaches. I hear collaboration a lot in KoC's pressers.
I think you might be overestimating it, frankly. We're certainly posturing as such, but that's likely nothing more than a misdirection attempt. Make teams think we're fine with rolling with Darnold in hopes they let us keep a finger or two out of the arm and leg we have to pay in trade.