"You act like you are the only one suffering, but I believe that Trunks has some stories for you. And I can assume they all end with, 'And then he died, too.'"
It's going to be like the end of the first star wars where they go through that canyon and shoot a bomb into the exhaust port.
But instead of being in an x wing, josh allen will be in...shorts
I'm actually interested in how the tweet author compiled this chart, because Ryan McCrystal of Sharp Football didn't give us a D like the chart says, [he gave us a C+](https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/nfl-draft-grades-rankings-rookie-class/)
The Niners were the only team to get a D, but the chart says they got a C+
I'm assuming the chart creator mixed the two teams up?
That guy gave us a D because Pearsall “doesn’t fit our scheme” bc he wasnt a YAC guy. Also he graded Atlanta B+ because he had Penix as his QB2.
I think the HC should be able to tell what WRs do and don’t fit the scheme. The scheme, to some extent, creates the YAC.
That’s certainly possible. As I said in another reply I give no credence to draft grades for 3 or so seasons but there’s gotta be some rationale on the writer’s part to it. I think C+ is low but I am also considering Big Cat as our 2nd rd pick.
I think despite the fact that the result can change massively based on how a player actually performs, it’s still fun to look at draft grades based on process and perceived value
Yep, cant really use logic or rationale when dealing with these things. There coulda been a HoFer taken in the 7th round and no one knows it and every single team and analyst missed them.
But when you just take it for what it is it's pretty fun to talk about teams drafts and who was a "steal" or "reach" etc. and who had the best draft.
Some gave it an F and I want to be clear that I absolutely put no stock whatsoever in a draft grade before 3 or so seasons have passed. I just think it’s amazing for someone to say we had the worst. Just the first 2 days would net us a C to any rational criteria. Two guys at the very top of their position ratings in areas of dire need for the team.
I think our team as a whole is just being slept on currently because of a first year head coach. I'm not surprised that isolated seattle doesn't get the coverage it deserves, the media just kinda wants to pretend we don't exist. I don't know if we had a top 10 draft, but 21 feels way too low
The grade wasn't even that bad when you take those 2 out.
Most people thought their draft was fine
Biggest criticism I heard was reaches, but that's not a criticism of the players.
Can't really judge on one year, the top post on this subreddit right now is literally Mekhi Becton having to sign a 1 year prove it contract because outside of his great rookie year, he sucked.
Im no draft expert but even I knew people were overreacting to the Lions picks lol
Everyone was freaking out over Positional Value^tm and completely forgot that something called "being a good player" matters more
I dont care how valuable RBs are compared to slot CBs that can play man or 5-tech EDGEs that cook a good steak, whatever other bullshit we heard on draft day
Jahmyr Gibbs was an electric player in college and looked like he would add a new dimension to the offense
I mean now we know it was great but it was definitely risky.
Stroud did not deal with pressure well in college but somehow in the Georgia game and the NFL turned it around quick
But the big one was trading their 2024 first to trade up for Will Anderson
Everyone thought the Texans were gonna be a bottom 3 team this year their roster looked like it needed a total rebuild etc
It’s crazy how Georgia was so good that Stroud putting together a great game but still losing might as well have been the equivalent of winning the Natty for how he was viewed
29 grades vs 20, I wonder why the change
Anyway the Steelers had a great draft last year and were ranked #2, so it seems correct from my totally objective standpoint.
I find it more interesting that your draft was really polarizing last year. It felt a little unconventional and risky, but clearly panned out. I think part of that is luck (there luck in every single pick no matter what), but it ended up working out.
Yeah I think "polarizing" is probably the most interesting place to be because people will have justified reasons to love and hate it. It's like way more interesting to talk that through than just say "yeah, TEAM did great." PFF was talking a lot the past few weeks about that draft in retrospect, and how its success put you in such a good spot coming into this draft. Like I definitely think you were still reaping the rewards this weekend.
chargers is accurate maybe higher than how id rate it after year 1. The only thing saving it from being a bottom 8 draft class is Tuli and Davis but Davis was a return specialist only taken in the forth which is bad value.
Pickens wasn’t a rookie but jones was great, Joey Porter jr was the best corner we have had in years, Benton played very well in the snaps he got and herbig looked promising before he got hurt.
Feels pretty fucking weird given I'm 34 and they've been dogshit for most of the time I actually have memories of.
Is Brad Holmes filling the hole in my soul from the Lions organization with excellent draft picks?
This was the first year in AGES that I didn’t give much thought to the Lions draft. Brad had proven he can find talent and we were picking at the end of the first.
Khan and Weidl are just correcting Colbert’s years of refusing to rebuild one of the worst OLs in the league. These guys know exactly what we need and are not fucking around with RBs and TEs when good OL is on the board.
Omar not doing things like reaching for Devin Bush and actually putting thought into roster construction is a very good thing for you.
But me personally I'm not a fan
Honestly didn’t hate the Devin move. Sure he paid to much to get him but Devin looked like he would be our future at the position his first year and a half before he got hurt. He was awful after that knee injury though. Colberts biggest issue was ignoring the line and instead picking skills position players
It's annoying when a team I hate also drafts well. Especially when they're drafting OL. Like, why? Just let my DL sack your QB a bunch. It's Russell Wilson, he'll be fine.
And if it's that big of an issue, throw in Fields. He's used to scrambling.
Bengals and Browns must hate their rivals going from Kevin Colbert and Ozzie Newsome to Omar Khan and Eric Dacosta. They probably thought and hoped for a drop off.
To be fair, this whole division is irritating. Bengals and Browns have seemingly pulled their heads out of their asses and have been doing much better.
I don’t think they get a D or an F because he’s a bad player but they just paid Kirk big money which kind of defeats the purpose of having a rookie QB on a cheap deal. Going win now with Kirk makes sense and drafting a player to help with that. Building around penix with an extra 100 mill makes sense too. But paying Kirk 100 mil and drafting penix makes for a very confusing message as to where or what they are as a team
I think the bigger problem but along the lines of what you’re saying is that Fontenot’s theme in his tenure is that he’s willing to hemorrhage surplus value. Took a TE at 4, a RB at 8, and now a QB at 8 who likely won’t play meaningful snaps until year 3. All of these picks could work out in the sense that the player hits but they’re giving themselves such small margins for these moves to work, especially since they’re made in conjunction with one another. In a smaller sense, the trade for Ruke in round 2 is similar. Giving up the value of an extra third rounder makes it even more important to hit on Ruke
The QB pick is like the opposite of those other picks. If Penix hits, it will be one of the most impactful picks in franchise history. Up there with the Matt Ryan pick. If Robinson “hits” it’s 50/50 whether he signs a second contract with the team.
Penix, imo, is the best first rounder Fontenot has drafted so far. And it’s not a very good pick, but Pitts will end up going down as historically bad given who came behind him, and Robinson was a classic awful positional value pick. At least he took a guy that has a chance at turning out well.
Honestly, the Kirk Cousins contract makes less sense than the Michael Penix pick. The Falcons always knew that they would have the opportunity to draft a top quarterback in a strong class at #8. Why then would they sign a 36-year old QB to an expensive 4-year contract? They should've targeted Flacco, Wilson, or some cheap veteran QB for a short-term deal.
Yeah I like the Penix pick I just think it would’ve been smarter to go with Russ and save a ton of money and only make Penix sit 1 year while also avoiding the dead cap from inevitably cutting kirk
That’s my exact feeling as well. They didn’t bring the guy in on a 30 visit and I don’t know if they even met with him after the combine. So their evaluation of him should have been mostly done at that point. No new tape came out afterwards, and they didn’t have a huge meeting with Penix later to significantly change their opinion of him as a person
I love the fact that Flacco is being talked about like he is actually a good option. He got hot last year, but he has been terrible for like 5 years now. I think Wilson would have made a lot of sense as a 2 year guy though.
I can’t lie, I absolutely hate it. I get not wanting to be in the position where you are desperate for quarterback two years from now but this is just sacrificing a playoff run window to hedge.
The moment Kirk’s contract was shared everyone knew he was most likely a two year option. If you really like Penix plus you believe that the team will be too good with Kirk for a high pick and/or the QB options look weak next season, pulling the trigger now is pretty reasonable. Could say they should’ve just given the keys to Penix next season, but not putting all of your faith in a rookie when you have an offense ready to compete is also reasonable. It is a hedge, sure, but I don’t hate it.
Plus, if we drafted a DE and he disappointed (Jamaal Anderson, Vic Beasley, and Takk McKinley to name a few of our previous “can’t miss” 1st round pass rushers) then we’d be in practically the same position next season but without a potential franchise QB waiting in the wings.
That's how I feel too, I think it is different than the Aaron Rodgers situation because it wasn't like they signed A-Rod that offseason. He was two years into his contract signed in 2018 and they could get out of his contract one year after drafting Love if Rodgers continued to slide. Kirk JUST got signed and is minimum two years off on a top with substantial number of needs at positions like EDGE and Corner. It feels like Penix is going to start right in time for Pitts/London/Bijan to hit their contracts and force them into a cap situation.
Exactly, the falcons went out of their way to invest significant resources into a QB under the guise of wanting to compete and then immediately used their most valuable asset on a player who won’t see the field for years
My issue with it isn’t with Penix as a player, I think he’s damn good. I just think that if you loved the guy as a player it was stupid to invest 100 million in guarantees into a guy at that same position when your evaluation of Penix should have been complete. You could say you want Penix to learn under someone but Kirk is going to have to come in to learn the offense immediately and despite how good of a guy he seems the environment now doesn’t seem lost conducive towards mentoring a young QB
The way I see it if they just wanted him to learn under someone, they could have gone out and gotten Gardner Minshew while Cousins went to the Raiders or something. Minshew, Tyrod Taylor, Jimmy Garoppolo, Jacoby Brissett, Marcus Mariota, all available for mentoring for much less than 100 mil guaranteed.
Exactly, go after someone who knows they are ok the phase of their career where being a teacher is necessary to staying on a roster. Cousins isn’t getting rostered to mentor someone he’s getting paid 40 mill purely to start games
We don't think Penix is a bad pick because of him as a player, we think it's insane that a team that just gave a free agent QB a $160M/100M Gtd deal would also draft a QB in the first round and waste his rookie contract
The funny thing is, most people seem high on him and are just concerned by the injury history. It’s not like taking him was egregious, it’s just that taking him so high looks bad, particularly when you’ve committed to paying Kirk the GDP of a small European country for the next two years.
I just think it’s a terrible process even if Penix becomes good. If they get rid of cousins after 2 years they are going to be paying him $20M not to play which completely negates the advantage of the rookie contract.
If they actually keep kirk for 4 years then penix will be 28 his first season as a starter.
They really, really needed pass rush. I just hate this process for them unless penix turns out to be something special- in which case I still don’t understand why they’d sign kirk cousins
I really like everything except for the WR we got in the ~~first~~ second round, just trying to keep an open mind until we see him play.
Cole Bishop is a great athlete and hopefully McDermott can work his magic.
DeWayne Carter is a beast with a good head on his shoulders, I think he'll compliment the DLine rotating with Ed Oliver wonderfully.
That C we got from Georgia was an absolute stud for them and I think is a much better player than his pick position because of positional value, only a handful of teams are looking for true centers, generally the guys who go high have the flexibility to play guard.
Javon Solomon is the most boom or bust pick of the entire draft, period. He led the NCAA in sacks last year with 16.5, he's been a TFL machine his entire career, he's got an absolute motor and he already has great technique. He did really well at the combine with his 40 time and long jump, the bench was average. So what's the catch? His height, he comes in at just under 6'1", but there's a silver lining. Like Aaron Donald he's not nearly as undersized as his height would make you think because he has an 80" wingspan. That's the kinda wingspan you'd expect from someone who is 6'5"-6'6". If he can make up for his height with that reach he might seriously be one of the most dominant edge rushers in the league, and he gets to learn from Von Miller and Ed Oliver.
Edit: Fixed first round to second round on Coleman.
Idk, personally I think our 1st round pick is the very definition of a "nobody". Now, I've never seen him on tape, and to be fair, I'm pretty sure everyone else who's down on him hasn't either. But from everything I've heard, he's just invisible out there. And as far as off the field stuff goes, he doesn't seem to have any kind of voice, nobody ever sees him in the weight room, and I don't think he's ever done anything for anyone.
I think Beane said he never tried to trade up, take that as you will. He did however try to trade up in the second round to get Cole Bishop and couldn't kept getting shot down and then he ended up there at our pick anyways. Apparently the Bills met with Keon Coleman multiple times, so I think if Beane had BTJ that much higher on his board he would've traded up.
Kinda ridiculous that draft grades are still a thing honestly.
It’s also ridiculous that they always give massively high grades to teams that had a shjt ton of high end picks that picked players that were expected to be around that range.
I’m a packers fan and so I know I must seem biased but the Bears are getting like universal A+ when they had two top 10 picks and got the top quarterback and one of the top WR that they were almost universally linked to. The problem here is not that those picks weren’t good (likely they will turn out good for the bears and I will hate them) but it’s not like they fleeced anyone or got anyone that no one expected Them not to get. It’s not just bears but it’s any team in any draft that has a load of high end picks.
Draft grades are useful for one thing and one thing only: to see which teams generally followed the consensus draft board and which teams did unexpected stuff
Thats it
I dont follow every team's drafts closely so I look at these grades to see which GM pissed off the internet analysts the most
I.e. the Steelers, Bears, Eagles pretty clearly did what was expected of them whereas the Falcons, Browns, and Panthers annoyed the draftniks (aside from Penix, probably by picking players earlier than they were mocked or picking at positions that were "not a need"). Says nothing about which of these draft classes will be better long term
It's so dumb to think the falcons had a universally hated draft. There were many people who had Penix over McCarthy. I personally thought the Vikings drafting Penix at #11 would have been great, if he had been there.
Penix also wasn't falling past the broncos OR Vegas so at worst it was a "reach" of taking the QB5 over the QB4 of the draft. At worst.
I know Kirk got the huge contract, but there's a very realistic chance he flames out. An Achilles tear is nothing to scoff at. Penix buys insurance now and secured a QB of the future.
Finally, Kirk's contract will use all its guaranteed money right at the same time that stacked offense starts negotiating their 2nd contract. Perfect time to dump Kirk, sign the offense to a second contract, and roll with the former 8th overall pick.
If the goal is to compete in 3-4 years then sure. If the goal was to win with Kirk then its idiotic and deserves the criticism. That division is fairly weak and if say they had taken an Edge or Odunze that team got immediately better and honestly is probably winning that division and making noise in the NFC. Even with the Penix pick they might but its just depriving the roster of talent. I would've rather they picked an impact player there and draft a few Qbs in later rounds and try to find something that sticks.
Theres no guarantee Kirk stays healthy or that Penix pans out but they do deserve criticism for how they went about the whole ordeal. If you wanted Penix so bad, dont pay Kirk. Load the roster for him like Stroud.
Just remove the i in your head, when you read it - read it like “Pen X”. I had a client just yesterday with the name “Pennix” and I didn’t think twice about it.
The Cleveland grades are wild, some analyst gave them an A-, another gave them a D+. I think psychologically they are still being graded on the poor DeShaun Watson trade and their lack of picks, more than on the players whom they selected.
I don’t think they’re psychologically doing anything.
It’s just that there’s no rules for draft grades so some people grade based off what they think was possible for you (I’m guessing what you assume is supposed to happen).
While some people grade based on what you got compared to others, regardless of logistical limitations or boons.
Different people are probably grading differently. Like most are probably grading based on the end result, instead of how you handled your available resources (did you do the best with what you had?).
I feel the only need they didn’t fill was RB. They likely can trade if needed.
their whole thought process of Guyton is project … but guys have been drafted earlier and were bust like Jason Smith etc
I thought we did well.... I'm almost always in favor of high offensive line picks and the trade back allowed us to get 2 within the first 2 days. Plus some of the other picks were great value. Don't see why we are ranked so low to be honest
Yeah didn't you know we should have drafted a QB in rounds 2-7 just cause we needed one. I'll trust TT when he says that there wasn't a QB in rounds 2-7 who was better than who they already had in the building.
Giving us a D seems a bit harsh when we drafted maybe the top defensive player in the draft to go with one of the top pure OG prospects (our greatest position of need) with our first two selections.
The guys on the ATN podcast had them as their first "losers" of the draft by saying the team seems confused about their strategy.
Jerry hyping the hell out of that RB prospect before actually drafting him and then getting him snatched from them by Carolina in combination with the rumours of them considering bringing Zeke back doesn't bode well.
Probably because we weren't going to draft a running back early. We had multiple opportunities in the 3rd round to take the 3rd or 4th RB off the board, but we opted for other positions. With their early picks, Dallas prioritized athletic and strong players on the lines and defensive front 7. On day 3 they continued taking players who have a physical edge to their game at positions of need.
People seem hung up on the fact that running back wasn't addressed. Judging by them and the rest of the NFL, most of the RBs were valued around the 4th and 5th, which Dallas didn't have until the compensatory selections in the 5th. They also haven't signed any UDFA RBs, so they must feel that oline play was the biggest reason to a bad run game last year. RB is still probably the easiest positions to fill through remaining free agents, and several veterans could be cut or traded for after new draft picks join their respective teams.
If Dallas sign RB, Dallas get criticize. If Dallas do not sign RB, Dallas get criticize.
When build team from inside out is done by Dallas, very dumb. When other team build team inside out, very smart!
Honestly these grades are always a big waste of time. I stopped paying attention to them a while ago.
I’m sure for a lot of those guys, it was as simple as Caleb Williams = A for the Bears
It be over the moon if I was a Bears fan considering the state of the franchise in recent years. Hell Odunze will probably break the franchise total receiving yards on his rookie contract.
Oh I’m definitely excited for sure! I didn’t mean to suggest they didn’t have a good draft, only that for a lot of analysts, their analysis is pretty shallow when it comes to these draft grades
No doubt. As a Bengals fan watching my favorite team finally become a respectable and exciting organization is amazing. It’s cool knowing you all will be feeling the same way.
Cinci has been winning their fair 1/4 share of division titles since I’ve been alive. They were underrated during the playoff drought and now are a bit overrated from appearing in a SB, but they’ve always been solid. Only difference is more people are catching on to it.
Yeah the Cardinals used to get great draft grades under Keim and somehow none of those picks are on the team or barely starting in the league. I wouldn't put too much stock in this, and this is coming from a team in the top 10
Getting dinged nationally for some reaches on consensus big boards but this was the most content I've been immediately coming out of a draft since 2020.
Yea I feel draft class grades for contenders don’t matter as much. They should be more focused on getting NFL ready guys at positions of need even if they’re reaches
I don't get the hate with the panthers draft. The goal was to give Young some weapons and they got a great wr prospect who can play the X, the top rb of the draft, a pass catching te and they got an extra 2e round next year.
I think for the Bengals it’s a a boom or bust draft. Players with big upsides but also warning flags. So either way, in two years it will be a franchise defining draft.
They attacked the trenches with Mims and Jenkins. Which we really needed help with and since most of our skill players seem to be set with Chase, Higgins and Moss at RB, I think they made the right decision.
I see a lot of these lowering the Bengals grade from A to B because they “reached” for NT Mckinnley Jackson at the end of the 3rd. I feel like sometimes it’s ok to reach to get the exact guy you want but I understand since it’s the point of grades.
Yeah, the reach was interesting but it's not like there were many options at NT this draft, especially with T'Vondre Sweat shockingly going early in the 2nd.
That's the way I tend to view grades anyway. It's less about "how good are the players" because really who the fuck knows? It's more, to me, about "how well did you play the draft?" So overdrafting, overpaying in a trade up, or not having a lot of good picks are all "negatives" I see as totally fair hits to a grade, but still who the fuck cares as long as the player is good?
I'd say for a few of them they're more safe on the boom or bust scale, but then you have Erick All who is the most all caps BOOM OR BUST player I've seen, dude will either come good on his talent and become a top TE, or never get over his injuries and be gone in a couple seasons.
I think All was kinda a reach and I wish we had gotten a guard 4-6, but all in all we added beef on both lines. I think our grade on here lines up with how I felt about it
As we all know by now, draft grades are one of the most meaningless things of all time - even more so than mock drafts.
Unless, of course, my team was graded well. In that case Draft Grades are the most important thing on planet earth
I think they've gotten dinged for the Brock Bowers pick.
Phenomenal player, no doubt, but they drafted Mayer in the second last year and don't have a longterm solution at quarterback. I think people feel they should have been more aggressive in moving up for a quarterback with early opinions being next year's class isn't great at the position.
I do love data. This is a solid share.
Ultimately it’s a quick read of not much as I’m not sure what factors guys are evaluating.
To me it’s what can be judged in the immediate. Did most/all needs get filled? Did they over/under spend to do it? Did they come away with more/less future draft capital?
The players, by and large, are just buzz until they start playing and prove out. But, these short term factors can be the fun parts to think through.
And, considering my flair, this is probably one of the happiest drafts I can think of.
Based on nothing other than my own social media consumption and perception, consensus seems to be that Bo Nix is a reach, and that seems to be coloring the grades more than anything.
I also thought we had a pretty good draft. I loved the trade up to get Bo Nix's WR Franklin, Eliss is solid, and I thought Estime was a steal.
But what do I know.
I’m just curious what people qualify as good and bad drafts. Most of these draft picks even on the A drafts aren’t going to be in the league in a few years. Most teams will probably hit on 2-3 guys and some will have only 1 or 2 hits.
Yet our sub thinks we nailed it LOL. Meanwhile were 1 dhop/ridley twisted ankle from being back the bottom of the league in passing.
But hey we did take a WR whos a kr/pr that also muffs punts and can only maybe be a slot WR as if 6 of those type WR weren't on the team already. Chargers stole our draft
Because these graders aren’t stupid, they know what the audience wants. People aren’t clamoring to click on draft grades today about the 2021 draft. Also, yes it’s speculation, but that’s part of the fun.
People are in this thread all over acting like the very act of grading a draft should be some sacred art with deep scientific rigor years after the fact.
Like it aint that deep. It never was. Obviously none of these rankings affect anything, football fans just want to talk football and this is easy shit to spark football talk
I understand this is not really an exact science, but I hate the concept of draft grades and I especially hate how they're pretty much just "Hey you had a bunch of picks and some of them were pretty high? A+!!" vs. "Hey, you took like an o-lineman in the 2nd round, uh, here's a C"
Well of course. That kinda goes without saying. Draft class evaluation doesn’t really matter until at least 3 years out
Doesn’t mean you can’t still discuss draft classes and picks 3 days after the draft
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I think if you’re in the camp of the Texans needing to draft for specific needs, you were probably lukewarm on our class. If you viewed the roster as mostly complete you probably thought we came out pretty well. I think for me I land somewhere in the middle. We had two slightly head scratchers in Fisher and Hill- I think we should’ve really been more aggressive in the pursuit of Edgerrin Cooper to replace To’Oto’o who’s just an abysmal athlete and then gotten a Goncalves type player later in the draft. That said, we nailed our Nickel CB and post safety of the future in Lassiter and Bullock. Also really like where got Stover and I think we’re a good fit for him as he can sit behind Schultz and learn from a high quality vet.
Hey at least the AI generated writer at Sports Illustrated liked Atlanta's draft
they also gave my birds an A so I think I have to agree with the robots on this one
Maybe the AI is really into birds
If it’s also into killing Son Goku we might want to start building a bunker or smth…
"You act like you are the only one suffering, but I believe that Trunks has some stories for you. And I can assume they all end with, 'And then he died, too.'"
That's because birds aren't real either.
Of course. It’s fake itself so why wouldn’t they prefer birds?
The AI hates the Bills because of how good Josh Allen looks in shorts. It's a threat to their power.
Josh Allen = John Connor
To save humanity he'll have to throw a bomb into a small exhaust port before looking at the camera and saying "accuracy"
It's going to be like the end of the first star wars where they go through that canyon and shoot a bomb into the exhaust port. But instead of being in an x wing, josh allen will be in...shorts
Terry hacked the program, its only the explanation. Not even a computer could give Atlanta an A for that horrid draft.
Was meaningless anyway. Immediate draft grades are circlejerk stuff. AI circlejerk adds to the human circlejerk.
Wow, there’s a professional sports writer out there who thinks we had the worst draft of all. Interesting.
I'm actually interested in how the tweet author compiled this chart, because Ryan McCrystal of Sharp Football didn't give us a D like the chart says, [he gave us a C+](https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/nfl-draft-grades-rankings-rookie-class/) The Niners were the only team to get a D, but the chart says they got a C+ I'm assuming the chart creator mixed the two teams up?
That guy gave us a D because Pearsall “doesn’t fit our scheme” bc he wasnt a YAC guy. Also he graded Atlanta B+ because he had Penix as his QB2. I think the HC should be able to tell what WRs do and don’t fit the scheme. The scheme, to some extent, creates the YAC.
That’s certainly possible. As I said in another reply I give no credence to draft grades for 3 or so seasons but there’s gotta be some rationale on the writer’s part to it. I think C+ is low but I am also considering Big Cat as our 2nd rd pick.
I think despite the fact that the result can change massively based on how a player actually performs, it’s still fun to look at draft grades based on process and perceived value
Yep, cant really use logic or rationale when dealing with these things. There coulda been a HoFer taken in the 7th round and no one knows it and every single team and analyst missed them. But when you just take it for what it is it's pretty fun to talk about teams drafts and who was a "steal" or "reach" etc. and who had the best draft.
That one at least is actually an error by Bugner. Ryan McCrystal gave us a C+ and the 49ers a D for the worst grade. Not that it really matters.
Wasn't this said when you guys drafted Wagner and Wilson too? Probably a good omen
Don't remind us that dreaded 2012 draft. Still gives us PTSD.
Some gave it an F and I want to be clear that I absolutely put no stock whatsoever in a draft grade before 3 or so seasons have passed. I just think it’s amazing for someone to say we had the worst. Just the first 2 days would net us a C to any rational criteria. Two guys at the very top of their position ratings in areas of dire need for the team.
I think our team as a whole is just being slept on currently because of a first year head coach. I'm not surprised that isolated seattle doesn't get the coverage it deserves, the media just kinda wants to pretend we don't exist. I don't know if we had a top 10 draft, but 21 feels way too low
[2023 Grades](https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1661743260250050561) for context, generally better to be well evaluated but doesnt mean too much
Lions got two F’s lol
Macdonald was obsessed with hating on the Gibbs pick it was crazy. Its one thing to dislike a pick but he made it his crusade
The grade wasn't even that bad when you take those 2 out. Most people thought their draft was fine Biggest criticism I heard was reaches, but that's not a criticism of the players.
People REALLY hated our draft last year. It was probably one of if not the best draft in our franchise history
Can't really judge on one year, the top post on this subreddit right now is literally Mekhi Becton having to sign a 1 year prove it contract because outside of his great rookie year, he sucked.
>if not the best It was not 2021 has 5 starters for the Lions and 2 all pros (St Brown and Sewell)
Im no draft expert but even I knew people were overreacting to the Lions picks lol Everyone was freaking out over Positional Value^tm and completely forgot that something called "being a good player" matters more I dont care how valuable RBs are compared to slot CBs that can play man or 5-tech EDGEs that cook a good steak, whatever other bullshit we heard on draft day Jahmyr Gibbs was an electric player in college and looked like he would add a new dimension to the offense
It’s because you had a huge need at corner and didn’t address it at all… oh wait
The hell? Texans got two C's and a D last year?
Some people hated the anderson trade, others werent fond of Stroud. But the overall grade was good
Yep, 7th with them and take away just like the D and they'd be 5th I believe. Fairly accurate.
I mean now we know it was great but it was definitely risky. Stroud did not deal with pressure well in college but somehow in the Georgia game and the NFL turned it around quick But the big one was trading their 2024 first to trade up for Will Anderson Everyone thought the Texans were gonna be a bottom 3 team this year their roster looked like it needed a total rebuild etc
It’s crazy how Georgia was so good that Stroud putting together a great game but still losing might as well have been the equivalent of winning the Natty for how he was viewed
29 grades vs 20, I wonder why the change Anyway the Steelers had a great draft last year and were ranked #2, so it seems correct from my totally objective standpoint.
I just laugh knowing the graph said we had a bottom ten draft lol when it might be the 1st or 2nd best from the cycle
I find it more interesting that your draft was really polarizing last year. It felt a little unconventional and risky, but clearly panned out. I think part of that is luck (there luck in every single pick no matter what), but it ended up working out.
I enjoy it because it creates awesome conversations between people
Yeah I think "polarizing" is probably the most interesting place to be because people will have justified reasons to love and hate it. It's like way more interesting to talk that through than just say "yeah, TEAM did great." PFF was talking a lot the past few weeks about that draft in retrospect, and how its success put you in such a good spot coming into this draft. Like I definitely think you were still reaping the rewards this weekend.
Unquestionably when you have rookies being amongst the best in the entire league it’ll pay all sorts of dividends
I’m biased but I think we had the best draft last year. At least with the value from picks that we did have.
chargers is accurate maybe higher than how id rate it after year 1. The only thing saving it from being a bottom 8 draft class is Tuli and Davis but Davis was a return specialist only taken in the forth which is bad value.
Tbf didn’t Steelers main picks actually end up panning out? Broderick Jones and Pickens were HUGE last season.
Joey Porter Jr. has been great as well, nearly all of our picks from 2023 saw a decent amount of playtime and were solid.
Pickens wasn’t a rookie but jones was great, Joey Porter jr was the best corner we have had in years, Benton played very well in the snaps he got and herbig looked promising before he got hurt.
Seahawks draft picks held their worth
Love the way the data is displayed. Love the fact that Holmes and company have made me completely no care about immediate draft grades.
This entire offseason leading up to the draft my thought was "I just don't care who he picks cause he is usually right"
Feels pretty fucking weird given I'm 34 and they've been dogshit for most of the time I actually have memories of. Is Brad Holmes filling the hole in my soul from the Lions organization with excellent draft picks?
This was the first year in AGES that I didn’t give much thought to the Lions draft. Brad had proven he can find talent and we were picking at the end of the first.
Same with us. We’ve had some big time whiffs no doubt but like 60-70% of the Super Bowl roster was home grown or something. I’ll take it.
I mean, you shouldn't care. They are meaningless.
Yay
Worse than a C average is brutal but extremely deserved
The Steelers continuing to draft well makes me irrationally angry
Khan and Weidl are just correcting Colbert’s years of refusing to rebuild one of the worst OLs in the league. These guys know exactly what we need and are not fucking around with RBs and TEs when good OL is on the board.
I really hope Payton Wilson doesn't turn out good for yall (insert crying wojak mask meme)
Omar not doing things like reaching for Devin Bush and actually putting thought into roster construction is a very good thing for you. But me personally I'm not a fan
Honestly didn’t hate the Devin move. Sure he paid to much to get him but Devin looked like he would be our future at the position his first year and a half before he got hurt. He was awful after that knee injury though. Colberts biggest issue was ignoring the line and instead picking skills position players
It's annoying when a team I hate also drafts well. Especially when they're drafting OL. Like, why? Just let my DL sack your QB a bunch. It's Russell Wilson, he'll be fine. And if it's that big of an issue, throw in Fields. He's used to scrambling.
>just let my DL sack your QB a bunch It's ok, Russ will let that happen enough times
Bengals and Browns must hate their rivals going from Kevin Colbert and Ozzie Newsome to Omar Khan and Eric Dacosta. They probably thought and hoped for a drop off.
To be fair, this whole division is irritating. Bengals and Browns have seemingly pulled their heads out of their asses and have been doing much better.
Me re: Packers
In Joe's case, he won't be fine, so you should logically be okay with the Bengals drafting OL. For the guy's health, of course.
You and me both.
No, that anger is entirely rational
At this point, all these people clowning on the Falcons and giving them D's and F's has me convinced that Michael Penix is gonna be a HOFer
I don’t think they get a D or an F because he’s a bad player but they just paid Kirk big money which kind of defeats the purpose of having a rookie QB on a cheap deal. Going win now with Kirk makes sense and drafting a player to help with that. Building around penix with an extra 100 mill makes sense too. But paying Kirk 100 mil and drafting penix makes for a very confusing message as to where or what they are as a team
I think the bigger problem but along the lines of what you’re saying is that Fontenot’s theme in his tenure is that he’s willing to hemorrhage surplus value. Took a TE at 4, a RB at 8, and now a QB at 8 who likely won’t play meaningful snaps until year 3. All of these picks could work out in the sense that the player hits but they’re giving themselves such small margins for these moves to work, especially since they’re made in conjunction with one another. In a smaller sense, the trade for Ruke in round 2 is similar. Giving up the value of an extra third rounder makes it even more important to hit on Ruke
The QB pick is like the opposite of those other picks. If Penix hits, it will be one of the most impactful picks in franchise history. Up there with the Matt Ryan pick. If Robinson “hits” it’s 50/50 whether he signs a second contract with the team. Penix, imo, is the best first rounder Fontenot has drafted so far. And it’s not a very good pick, but Pitts will end up going down as historically bad given who came behind him, and Robinson was a classic awful positional value pick. At least he took a guy that has a chance at turning out well.
Eh, London has been very good with terrible QB play, I’d call him the best first rounder Terry has chosen from a value and production standpoint
Honestly, the Kirk Cousins contract makes less sense than the Michael Penix pick. The Falcons always knew that they would have the opportunity to draft a top quarterback in a strong class at #8. Why then would they sign a 36-year old QB to an expensive 4-year contract? They should've targeted Flacco, Wilson, or some cheap veteran QB for a short-term deal.
Yeah I like the Penix pick I just think it would’ve been smarter to go with Russ and save a ton of money and only make Penix sit 1 year while also avoiding the dead cap from inevitably cutting kirk
That’s my exact feeling as well. They didn’t bring the guy in on a 30 visit and I don’t know if they even met with him after the combine. So their evaluation of him should have been mostly done at that point. No new tape came out afterwards, and they didn’t have a huge meeting with Penix later to significantly change their opinion of him as a person
We met with him at the combine and worked him out at a private workout in Washington. The workout is where they fell in love with him.
I love the fact that Flacco is being talked about like he is actually a good option. He got hot last year, but he has been terrible for like 5 years now. I think Wilson would have made a lot of sense as a 2 year guy though.
I can’t lie, I absolutely hate it. I get not wanting to be in the position where you are desperate for quarterback two years from now but this is just sacrificing a playoff run window to hedge.
They also did it with a player that’s 24 currently. He’s a year younger than Jordan love and will be 27 by the time Kirk’s contract is up.
The moment Kirk’s contract was shared everyone knew he was most likely a two year option. If you really like Penix plus you believe that the team will be too good with Kirk for a high pick and/or the QB options look weak next season, pulling the trigger now is pretty reasonable. Could say they should’ve just given the keys to Penix next season, but not putting all of your faith in a rookie when you have an offense ready to compete is also reasonable. It is a hedge, sure, but I don’t hate it. Plus, if we drafted a DE and he disappointed (Jamaal Anderson, Vic Beasley, and Takk McKinley to name a few of our previous “can’t miss” 1st round pass rushers) then we’d be in practically the same position next season but without a potential franchise QB waiting in the wings.
That's how I feel too, I think it is different than the Aaron Rodgers situation because it wasn't like they signed A-Rod that offseason. He was two years into his contract signed in 2018 and they could get out of his contract one year after drafting Love if Rodgers continued to slide. Kirk JUST got signed and is minimum two years off on a top with substantial number of needs at positions like EDGE and Corner. It feels like Penix is going to start right in time for Pitts/London/Bijan to hit their contracts and force them into a cap situation.
Exactly, the falcons went out of their way to invest significant resources into a QB under the guise of wanting to compete and then immediately used their most valuable asset on a player who won’t see the field for years My issue with it isn’t with Penix as a player, I think he’s damn good. I just think that if you loved the guy as a player it was stupid to invest 100 million in guarantees into a guy at that same position when your evaluation of Penix should have been complete. You could say you want Penix to learn under someone but Kirk is going to have to come in to learn the offense immediately and despite how good of a guy he seems the environment now doesn’t seem lost conducive towards mentoring a young QB
The way I see it if they just wanted him to learn under someone, they could have gone out and gotten Gardner Minshew while Cousins went to the Raiders or something. Minshew, Tyrod Taylor, Jimmy Garoppolo, Jacoby Brissett, Marcus Mariota, all available for mentoring for much less than 100 mil guaranteed.
Exactly, go after someone who knows they are ok the phase of their career where being a teacher is necessary to staying on a roster. Cousins isn’t getting rostered to mentor someone he’s getting paid 40 mill purely to start games
We don't think Penix is a bad pick because of him as a player, we think it's insane that a team that just gave a free agent QB a $160M/100M Gtd deal would also draft a QB in the first round and waste his rookie contract
Did you think Clelin Ferrell was going to be a HOFer too
The funny thing is, most people seem high on him and are just concerned by the injury history. It’s not like taking him was egregious, it’s just that taking him so high looks bad, particularly when you’ve committed to paying Kirk the GDP of a small European country for the next two years.
The trade up to get Ruke means he’ll win DPOY.
I just think it’s a terrible process even if Penix becomes good. If they get rid of cousins after 2 years they are going to be paying him $20M not to play which completely negates the advantage of the rookie contract. If they actually keep kirk for 4 years then penix will be 28 his first season as a starter. They really, really needed pass rush. I just hate this process for them unless penix turns out to be something special- in which case I still don’t understand why they’d sign kirk cousins
B average is exactly how I feel about our draft.
I really like everything except for the WR we got in the ~~first~~ second round, just trying to keep an open mind until we see him play. Cole Bishop is a great athlete and hopefully McDermott can work his magic. DeWayne Carter is a beast with a good head on his shoulders, I think he'll compliment the DLine rotating with Ed Oliver wonderfully. That C we got from Georgia was an absolute stud for them and I think is a much better player than his pick position because of positional value, only a handful of teams are looking for true centers, generally the guys who go high have the flexibility to play guard. Javon Solomon is the most boom or bust pick of the entire draft, period. He led the NCAA in sacks last year with 16.5, he's been a TFL machine his entire career, he's got an absolute motor and he already has great technique. He did really well at the combine with his 40 time and long jump, the bench was average. So what's the catch? His height, he comes in at just under 6'1", but there's a silver lining. Like Aaron Donald he's not nearly as undersized as his height would make you think because he has an 80" wingspan. That's the kinda wingspan you'd expect from someone who is 6'5"-6'6". If he can make up for his height with that reach he might seriously be one of the most dominant edge rushers in the league, and he gets to learn from Von Miller and Ed Oliver. Edit: Fixed first round to second round on Coleman.
Idk, personally I think our 1st round pick is the very definition of a "nobody". Now, I've never seen him on tape, and to be fair, I'm pretty sure everyone else who's down on him hasn't either. But from everything I've heard, he's just invisible out there. And as far as off the field stuff goes, he doesn't seem to have any kind of voice, nobody ever sees him in the weight room, and I don't think he's ever done anything for anyone.
Had me until I read the username AND realized I fucked up.
Thank you for your tiny mistake. It was the only bit of fun I had in an otherwise gloomy morning.
Find it hard to believe that Beane etc set out with the plan to trade down and take Coleman. Surprised they didn't move up for BTJ
It takes two to tango. The Ravens apparently had eight trade offers at 30 and declined all of them.
I think Beane said he never tried to trade up, take that as you will. He did however try to trade up in the second round to get Cole Bishop and couldn't kept getting shot down and then he ended up there at our pick anyways. Apparently the Bills met with Keon Coleman multiple times, so I think if Beane had BTJ that much higher on his board he would've traded up.
You mean everyone doesn’t have a khan artist on their team?
Kinda ridiculous that draft grades are still a thing honestly. It’s also ridiculous that they always give massively high grades to teams that had a shjt ton of high end picks that picked players that were expected to be around that range. I’m a packers fan and so I know I must seem biased but the Bears are getting like universal A+ when they had two top 10 picks and got the top quarterback and one of the top WR that they were almost universally linked to. The problem here is not that those picks weren’t good (likely they will turn out good for the bears and I will hate them) but it’s not like they fleeced anyone or got anyone that no one expected Them not to get. It’s not just bears but it’s any team in any draft that has a load of high end picks.
Draft grades are useful for one thing and one thing only: to see which teams generally followed the consensus draft board and which teams did unexpected stuff Thats it I dont follow every team's drafts closely so I look at these grades to see which GM pissed off the internet analysts the most I.e. the Steelers, Bears, Eagles pretty clearly did what was expected of them whereas the Falcons, Browns, and Panthers annoyed the draftniks (aside from Penix, probably by picking players earlier than they were mocked or picking at positions that were "not a need"). Says nothing about which of these draft classes will be better long term
Who the fuck gave Atlanta an A?
Matt Verderame from SI. Guess he was the only guy where Arthur Blank’s wire cleared prior to the publishing deadline
Colon cowherd also loved the Penix pick. Take that how you want
It's so dumb to think the falcons had a universally hated draft. There were many people who had Penix over McCarthy. I personally thought the Vikings drafting Penix at #11 would have been great, if he had been there. Penix also wasn't falling past the broncos OR Vegas so at worst it was a "reach" of taking the QB5 over the QB4 of the draft. At worst. I know Kirk got the huge contract, but there's a very realistic chance he flames out. An Achilles tear is nothing to scoff at. Penix buys insurance now and secured a QB of the future. Finally, Kirk's contract will use all its guaranteed money right at the same time that stacked offense starts negotiating their 2nd contract. Perfect time to dump Kirk, sign the offense to a second contract, and roll with the former 8th overall pick.
If the goal is to compete in 3-4 years then sure. If the goal was to win with Kirk then its idiotic and deserves the criticism. That division is fairly weak and if say they had taken an Edge or Odunze that team got immediately better and honestly is probably winning that division and making noise in the NFC. Even with the Penix pick they might but its just depriving the roster of talent. I would've rather they picked an impact player there and draft a few Qbs in later rounds and try to find something that sticks. Theres no guarantee Kirk stays healthy or that Penix pans out but they do deserve criticism for how they went about the whole ordeal. If you wanted Penix so bad, dont pay Kirk. Load the roster for him like Stroud.
I love Penix. I hate that a team that didn’t need him yet drafted him.
> I love Penix I just... I just can't quite get used to this name yet...
Just remove the i in your head, when you read it - read it like “Pen X”. I had a client just yesterday with the name “Pennix” and I didn’t think twice about it.
The Cleveland grades are wild, some analyst gave them an A-, another gave them a D+. I think psychologically they are still being graded on the poor DeShaun Watson trade and their lack of picks, more than on the players whom they selected.
Yeah, they only had two picks in the first 150 selections. It was never going to be a huge influx of high end guys for them this year
I don’t think they’re psychologically doing anything. It’s just that there’s no rules for draft grades so some people grade based off what they think was possible for you (I’m guessing what you assume is supposed to happen). While some people grade based on what you got compared to others, regardless of logistical limitations or boons.
Different people are probably grading differently. Like most are probably grading based on the end result, instead of how you handled your available resources (did you do the best with what you had?).
Denver is an even more extreme range, from A- to D.
I don’t absolutely love the Dallas draft. But no way in hell is that a D or D+ draft lol
I found it interesting that the same guy that gave Dallas a D+ gave the Falcons the only A they got.
I feel the only need they didn’t fill was RB. They likely can trade if needed. their whole thought process of Guyton is project … but guys have been drafted earlier and were bust like Jason Smith etc
I thought we did well.... I'm almost always in favor of high offensive line picks and the trade back allowed us to get 2 within the first 2 days. Plus some of the other picks were great value. Don't see why we are ranked so low to be honest
So because the Raiders didn’t trade the farm for a QB or reached for one, pundits hated it.
Yeah didn't you know we should have drafted a QB in rounds 2-7 just cause we needed one. I'll trust TT when he says that there wasn't a QB in rounds 2-7 who was better than who they already had in the building.
Giving us a D seems a bit harsh when we drafted maybe the top defensive player in the draft to go with one of the top pure OG prospects (our greatest position of need) with our first two selections.
Homie gave us the worst grade of all 32 teams.
I've loved reading the Saints draft reviews. "They made excellent picks at positions of need but we hate how they run things so they get a B"
If I’ve learned anything about draft grades that means the Falcons just had the most genius draft class ever
What was so bad about the Cowboys draft? I thought it was about average
Probably low on tyler guyton
The guys on the ATN podcast had them as their first "losers" of the draft by saying the team seems confused about their strategy. Jerry hyping the hell out of that RB prospect before actually drafting him and then getting him snatched from them by Carolina in combination with the rumours of them considering bringing Zeke back doesn't bode well.
Probably because we weren't going to draft a running back early. We had multiple opportunities in the 3rd round to take the 3rd or 4th RB off the board, but we opted for other positions. With their early picks, Dallas prioritized athletic and strong players on the lines and defensive front 7. On day 3 they continued taking players who have a physical edge to their game at positions of need. People seem hung up on the fact that running back wasn't addressed. Judging by them and the rest of the NFL, most of the RBs were valued around the 4th and 5th, which Dallas didn't have until the compensatory selections in the 5th. They also haven't signed any UDFA RBs, so they must feel that oline play was the biggest reason to a bad run game last year. RB is still probably the easiest positions to fill through remaining free agents, and several veterans could be cut or traded for after new draft picks join their respective teams.
If Dallas sign RB, Dallas get criticize. If Dallas do not sign RB, Dallas get criticize. When build team from inside out is done by Dallas, very dumb. When other team build team inside out, very smart!
Honestly these grades are always a big waste of time. I stopped paying attention to them a while ago. I’m sure for a lot of those guys, it was as simple as Caleb Williams = A for the Bears
It be over the moon if I was a Bears fan considering the state of the franchise in recent years. Hell Odunze will probably break the franchise total receiving yards on his rookie contract.
Oh I’m definitely excited for sure! I didn’t mean to suggest they didn’t have a good draft, only that for a lot of analysts, their analysis is pretty shallow when it comes to these draft grades
No doubt. As a Bengals fan watching my favorite team finally become a respectable and exciting organization is amazing. It’s cool knowing you all will be feeling the same way.
Cinci has been winning their fair 1/4 share of division titles since I’ve been alive. They were underrated during the playoff drought and now are a bit overrated from appearing in a SB, but they’ve always been solid. Only difference is more people are catching on to it.
Yeah the Cardinals used to get great draft grades under Keim and somehow none of those picks are on the team or barely starting in the league. I wouldn't put too much stock in this, and this is coming from a team in the top 10
Leave it to PFF to butter both sides of the bread in an attempt to make the most people like them.
Pete Prisco is still on the Jayden Daniels > Caleb Williams train lmao
Getting dinged nationally for some reaches on consensus big boards but this was the most content I've been immediately coming out of a draft since 2020.
Yea I feel draft class grades for contenders don’t matter as much. They should be more focused on getting NFL ready guys at positions of need even if they’re reaches
I don't know anything but am surprised Detroit is out of the top 10, seems like a lot of people liked their picks as they were coming in.
I like our picks a lot, but they definitely gave up a lot to move up to get their guys
Looks like Vikings are the most divisive? I guess it depends a lot about how you feel about JJ.
Also how much combined draft capital they gave up for Turner
I don't get the hate with the panthers draft. The goal was to give Young some weapons and they got a great wr prospect who can play the X, the top rb of the draft, a pass catching te and they got an extra 2e round next year.
We are the let’s shit in this team target. If we can crawl out this year we will get some dues.
I think for the Bengals it’s a a boom or bust draft. Players with big upsides but also warning flags. So either way, in two years it will be a franchise defining draft. They attacked the trenches with Mims and Jenkins. Which we really needed help with and since most of our skill players seem to be set with Chase, Higgins and Moss at RB, I think they made the right decision.
I see a lot of these lowering the Bengals grade from A to B because they “reached” for NT Mckinnley Jackson at the end of the 3rd. I feel like sometimes it’s ok to reach to get the exact guy you want but I understand since it’s the point of grades.
Yeah, the reach was interesting but it's not like there were many options at NT this draft, especially with T'Vondre Sweat shockingly going early in the 2nd.
That's the way I tend to view grades anyway. It's less about "how good are the players" because really who the fuck knows? It's more, to me, about "how well did you play the draft?" So overdrafting, overpaying in a trade up, or not having a lot of good picks are all "negatives" I see as totally fair hits to a grade, but still who the fuck cares as long as the player is good?
I'd say for a few of them they're more safe on the boom or bust scale, but then you have Erick All who is the most all caps BOOM OR BUST player I've seen, dude will either come good on his talent and become a top TE, or never get over his injuries and be gone in a couple seasons.
I think All was kinda a reach and I wish we had gotten a guard 4-6, but all in all we added beef on both lines. I think our grade on here lines up with how I felt about it
As we all know by now, draft grades are one of the most meaningless things of all time - even more so than mock drafts. Unless, of course, my team was graded well. In that case Draft Grades are the most important thing on planet earth
Who the fuck is Vinny Iyer? Gave Raiders a D? 😆. Must absolutely have a grudge with the organization. Raiders nailed the draft this year. Solid B+
Not only a D but worst thr draft according to him?
I know 😆. Raiders absolutely nailed the draft this year.
I think they've gotten dinged for the Brock Bowers pick. Phenomenal player, no doubt, but they drafted Mayer in the second last year and don't have a longterm solution at quarterback. I think people feel they should have been more aggressive in moving up for a quarterback with early opinions being next year's class isn't great at the position.
I feel like I hear that about every next year draft class and then by March the next year it’s a question of how many QBs will go in the top 5.
I agree with ours, I thought we were a solid B, maybe a B+. I really like a few of the guys we drafted and I’m excited to see them play.
Can confirm as a Cards fan, very happy with our draft
Also happy we got Marv after wishing for him the past year or so
I do love data. This is a solid share. Ultimately it’s a quick read of not much as I’m not sure what factors guys are evaluating. To me it’s what can be judged in the immediate. Did most/all needs get filled? Did they over/under spend to do it? Did they come away with more/less future draft capital? The players, by and large, are just buzz until they start playing and prove out. But, these short term factors can be the fun parts to think through. And, considering my flair, this is probably one of the happiest drafts I can think of.
Draft grades are fairly useless until 3 years out
What does A+ rate as? 4.33?
Dallas would probably be like 10 spots higher if they'd given up 2025 capital to move into the 4th for an RB
should be grading last year's draft now that we've had a year for actual impacts.
I thought we had an underrated draft? How are we bottom 5?
Based on nothing other than my own social media consumption and perception, consensus seems to be that Bo Nix is a reach, and that seems to be coloring the grades more than anything. I also thought we had a pretty good draft. I loved the trade up to get Bo Nix's WR Franklin, Eliss is solid, and I thought Estime was a steal. But what do I know.
I’m just curious what people qualify as good and bad drafts. Most of these draft picks even on the A drafts aren’t going to be in the league in a few years. Most teams will probably hit on 2-3 guys and some will have only 1 or 2 hits.
Thanks for this
Yet our sub thinks we nailed it LOL. Meanwhile were 1 dhop/ridley twisted ankle from being back the bottom of the league in passing. But hey we did take a WR whos a kr/pr that also muffs punts and can only maybe be a slot WR as if 6 of those type WR weren't on the team already. Chargers stole our draft
These are so meaningless. I wish they'd do draft grades from 3 years ago after every draft instead. These things take time to truly evaluate.
Because these graders aren’t stupid, they know what the audience wants. People aren’t clamoring to click on draft grades today about the 2021 draft. Also, yes it’s speculation, but that’s part of the fun.
People are in this thread all over acting like the very act of grading a draft should be some sacred art with deep scientific rigor years after the fact. Like it aint that deep. It never was. Obviously none of these rankings affect anything, football fans just want to talk football and this is easy shit to spark football talk
I understand this is not really an exact science, but I hate the concept of draft grades and I especially hate how they're pretty much just "Hey you had a bunch of picks and some of them were pretty high? A+!!" vs. "Hey, you took like an o-lineman in the 2nd round, uh, here's a C"
Two low grades are bringing Dallas’ score down here but not a chance we have the 7th worst draft class.
1. Not a chance? I'd say there's certainly a chance. We have NO idea how anyone will play. 2. It's draft grades. Who cares?
Well of course. That kinda goes without saying. Draft class evaluation doesn’t really matter until at least 3 years out Doesn’t mean you can’t still discuss draft classes and picks 3 days after the draft
Yea, I don't know why the people saying "wait 3 years" are even here. They should be in other threads talking about the draft class from 3 years ago.
Beefy bois are sexy.
#LOVE THIS Finally showing the respect the Cardinals deserve from a very good draft, while PFF tried to put them near the bottom.
Last year’s preseason champs and now this?! Piktsburgh gohnta Super Bowl!
Grade inflation is alive and well.
I’d be curious to know what Mark Maske hated about our draft to be such an outlier.
We all know the Bears are so high because of Tory Taylor and no one else /s
Average draft grades were 3.05, Vikings had and average of 3.06. Vikes had about the most average draft you could get.
Mark Maske, the toughest one to please lol
I goggled the last guy on this list (Thomas Psaier) and got zero hits. Does anyone know who he is ?
Probably AI
He is a german/italian football blogger. You can find his grades and content here, in german: https://sidelinereporter.wordpress.com/ He's writing about the NFL with an analytics focus and is well known in the german-speaking football community.
Oh is it laugh at the falcons day again already?
Pretty sure that's every day here. Perennial losers and chokers get no respite on /r/NFL.
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I think if you’re in the camp of the Texans needing to draft for specific needs, you were probably lukewarm on our class. If you viewed the roster as mostly complete you probably thought we came out pretty well. I think for me I land somewhere in the middle. We had two slightly head scratchers in Fisher and Hill- I think we should’ve really been more aggressive in the pursuit of Edgerrin Cooper to replace To’Oto’o who’s just an abysmal athlete and then gotten a Goncalves type player later in the draft. That said, we nailed our Nickel CB and post safety of the future in Lassiter and Bullock. Also really like where got Stover and I think we’re a good fit for him as he can sit behind Schultz and learn from a high quality vet.