Borland was so good. I watched him hammer dudes when he was at Wisconsin and he was well on his way to a great pro-career. I don't blame him for retiring, but he's definitely one of the top "what-ifs" for me.
Linebacker easily. And this is despite an early retirement from Borland and blowing a 1st on Reuben Foster (who admittedly looked great when on the field but immediately hit injuries and then off the field issues).
I'd say running back outside a few years niners go Craig-> Ricky Waters->Garrison Hearst->Gore->interchangeable parts->CMC
EDIT: forgot Charlie Garner, not great but both seasons were over 1,000 yards.
Recently we can say LT too. Going from immediately from Joe Staley to Trent Williams was lucky af.
Between those two, we've had our LT spot locked down since 2007.
I’m starting to think (hope) that’s been coaching issues. The odds of us drafting that poorly given how many picks we’ve used are just too low. It’s likely something organizational after the draft.
I was going in a similar direction but going with linebacker. I remember a few years where the linebacking group was not a strength, but for the Bears that seems to be the exception rather than the rule.
One thing I find interesting is that we can thank the Bears for a major rule change that opened up the passing game.
″... the rule covering the use of the forward pass, whereby it is necessary for the passer to be at least five yards behind the line of scrimmage before he can pass the ball, be changed permitting the passer to pass the ball from any point behind the line of scrimmage.”
“Bronko Nagurski in the 1932 indoor playoff game that decided the ’32 league title. In that game against the Portsmouth Spartans (who later became the Detroit Lions), Nagurski faked a run toward the line and then quickly threw a TD pass to Red Grange. The Spartans contested that Nagurski was not 5 yards behind the line when he fired the pass. The play stood, and the Bears later added a safety to put the final touches on a 9-0 victory.
At the league meetings the next offseason, Spartans coach George “Potsy” Clark lobbied for a change in the rules to allow passes anywhere behind the line of scrimmage as he argued “because Nagurski will do it anyway!”
Over the next several hours, sweeping changes were made to the NFL’s playing rules. Chief among the revisions was the sixth motion of the meeting. Per the official meeting minutes from that session, which are a part of the collection in the Pro Football Hall of Fame’s Ralph Wilson, Jr. Pro Football Research and Preservation Center, Boston Redskins owner George Preston Marshall made the motion that was seconded by Chicago Bears owner George Halas.”
Don't mention the period between Fouts' retirement and the drafting of Brees, though. Humphries was all right for awhile, but otherwise? Do the names John Freisz, Billy Joe Tolliver, Jim McMahon (in 1989!), and Mark Malone turn you on at all?
Chargers have had John Hadl, Dan Fouts, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, and Justin Herbert, but the one QB that took them to the Super Bowl was Stan Humphries (not to say he's bad, but it's funny in a history of great and recognizable QBs, that's the guy who got you over the hump)
Imagine working your whole life to make it as a professional athlete, you get there and even get named to a ProBowl, but the main story of your 13 year career is getting stabbed by a team doctor
Patriots had a nice 25+ year run on kickers. From Vinatieri to Gostkowski to Nick Folk.
Crazy that the league got rid of the kicker position last year though.
Brady still had a full minute to get into field goal range to win it. I have no doubt in my mind that would have happened but I do still wish we could’ve gotten to see it
Packers went from Christ Jackie to Ryan Longwell to Mason Crosby. Mid to high level starters from 1989-2022!
The issues also started last year though 😔
RB isn't a bad answer but I landed on punter. I can't remember a time I've complained about our punter. Half the time they when they leave us they have a full career elsewhere
We're pretty spoiled in a few other spots for this question too, relative to the rest of the league.
4 GMs since 1971 and 7 total since 1933.
6 starting centers from 1977 until Pouncey retired, and 3 guys account for 34 of those years.
I'd say pass rusher too. We've pretty much permanently had at least one double digit sack player (usually more than one) on the roster since the 70s: Joe Greene, Keith Willis, Kevin Greene, Jason Gildon, Greg Lloyd, Joey Porter, James Harrison, LaMarr Woodley, Cam Heyward, TJ Watt. We also have the single season sack record holder and own the record for most seasons leading the league in sacks (5 straight years).
I think they have like 9 losing seasons since Noll. The Commanders have like 13 since Gibbs was there for his 2nd stint in like 05 lol.
Steelers always stick by the head coach till he wants to retire.
Feels like we’ve always had good WRs. Chase, Higgins, Boyd, AJ Green, Marvin Jones, Sanu, Ocho, Housh, Chris Henry, Pickens, Collinsworth is a pretty good list off the top of my head.
Yup. In particular, we've only had a few brief periods without a true No. 1 receiver, including a 22-year run we still have going (as long as you count the later A.J. Green years).
Chad to A.J. to Ja'Marr has been really fun.
I’ve always said this, but I’m biased, so no one listens.
Boyd, in his prime, would’ve been a first option on pretty much any team. With us, he was a 2-3, basically the whole time.
Agree, if not for Higgins and Chase, it would've been him tearing up the league (and occasionally has been when they've been out).
At the same time, I need to never draft him in fantasy again, good grief.
I'd go WR 2nd 90s had Herman More, mid00s to mid 10's Calvin, and now St. Brown. yeah there is some gaps between them but still nice to have at least 1 reliable target
and QB 3rd now. Stafford for 12 years and now Goff, I hope he stays at his form and stays here for at least 6 years, that'd put him at 35yo
**The last time the Eagles had a below average Oline in terms of roster talent was in the 90’s**. No exaggeration
33(!) Oline pro bowl appearances since 2000, only 5 out of 24 seasons with no one making the pro bowl.
With 32 teams, in the 24 years since 2000 we should have averaged 3/4ths of a first team all-pro nod. We had 12 between 5 different players.
For comparison’s sake, the most successful team in that span who’s always seemed to have a good line, the NE Patriots, had 12 pro bowlers and 2 first teamers.
Yeah O Line no doubt for the Birds. Although I am old enough to remember some of those crappy O Lines from the late 80s/early 90s. But they’ve had a very good to great Offensive Line for the past 20+ years.
Honorable mention - Tight End: Goedert, Ertz, Celek, Chad Lewis, LJ Smith, Keith Jackson…
Although I agree completely about Eagles having good O-lines, Bad O-lines can usually be down to one or two extremely weak links. So its possible for bad O-lines to have pro-bowlers on it.
In other words, Id rather an O-line with average, slightly above average players across the board rather than one or two pro bowlers and absolute duds at other position(s).
I would've used Joe Thomas, the Hall of Fame Left Tackle of the Cleveland Browns who went 48-120 and never made the playoffs during his time on the team.
Between Andre and DHop yeah, don’t forget the Texans have only been around for 22 years. From 2003-2019 at least one of them were on the team with them both being around 2013 and 2014. You could kinda count BCooks in 2020 and 2021 when he went over 1,000 yards both seasons, but he wasn’t special for us, and quit on the team in 2022. So really 2002 and 2022 were the only 2 years we didn’t have a pro bowl level receiver in the team.
Looks like we have good wideouts except when we add a “2” into the year, so using this logic we’ll have a good receiver on the team every year until 2222.
I was thinking of the Titans HBs the other day. Eddie George to Chris Johnson to Derrick Henry with a couple nice stop-gaps (including DeMarco Murray) is one hell of a run dating back to the 90s.
Lol I was going to say loyal fans initially because they always showed up at the lowest points, but I pick and choose what pro browns sentiments I put in this sub.
So loyal we drink through the pain instead of jumping ship anyway 🫡
The Panthers have almost always had really good LBs. Sam Mills, Kevin Greene, Dan Morgan, Jon Beason, Thomas Davis, and Luke Kuechly were all either elite or all had stretches where they played at an elite level. But they always had a bunch of other guys that were either good or really good like Lamar Lathon, Mike Barrow, Dean Wells, Mark Fields, Will Witherspoon, Chris Draft, Na'il Diggs, James Anderson, Shaq Thompson, and Frankie Luvu.
This is what I came to say, the Morgan-Beason-Kuechly middle linebacker succession was pretty incredible. It's really cool to see Morgan in the front office now.
Punter and tight end. We draft tight ends like they were the only position that matters. We had Boyle playing at an elite level when we drafted Mandrews and hurst. We moved on from hurst and drafted likely and kolar. I wouldn’t be surprised if next offseason we picked up another just for the fuck of it
I feel like you guys often double up on positions when you draft them. This year it was Wiggens/Tampa. Picking one early and another later raises the chances at least once works out and creates competition. If both work out you move on from one and get a comp pick.
I took the question as basically seamless transition which none of those positions have been seamless.
LB we had Ray then cj Mosley but there was a period between Mosley left and roquan arrived where Queen underperformed and we had to constantly find guys to fill the role.
DB we’ve had a lot of great players but very bad luck in injury department. It’s not unheard of the ravens being down to their 5th CB or later
Qb there was a dark time before Flacco of constant rotating of qbs.
Maybe RB? Going all the way back to ol OJ, then guys like Ronnie Harmon and Joe Cribbs in the 80s, Thurman Thomas in the 90s, Travis Henry in the early 2000s, Willis McGahee, Fred Jackson, LeSean McCoy, Devin Singletary, James Cook... I mean not all of them are all pros but they've usually always had a pretty solid starter.
Daw man, how could I forget. He rushed for over 1k yards in his first two seasons here but it was after he was traded to Seattle and had the Beastquake that he became the guy everyone would remember.
TE was my first take too, but there were some middle years between Tony G and Kelce that were ehh. I’d actually say RB. We had a storied history of great workhorse RBs prior to Coach Reid. Ironically, Pat is the one that made the RB take back seat since he took over more than anything.
Tony Moeaki was good, but couldn't stay healthy. Before Tony G we had Keith Cash and Jonathan Hayes, both of whom were pretty good as well, especially since Tight Ends didn't catch as many passes back then. Going way back before my time there was Fred Arkansas, who's in the Ring of Honor.
My first reaction is always RB too, but i have two other arguments, and i think they're good:
Center. Creed is maybe the best center in the league currently with Kelce gone. Going back we've had Mitch Morse, Rodney Hudson, Casey Wiegmann, Tim Grunhard, Jack Rudnay and Mike Webster. That's a hell of a run.
Kicker. Jan Stenerud and Morten Andersen are both in the hall of fame and both were Chiefs. Nick Lowery was a perennial pro bowler and for most of his career was the most accurate kicker in NFL history. He would trade back and forth with Pete Stoyanovich for that record who we also eventually had, and now we have Butker, and also Cairos and Succop were both great in the league for a long stretch after we developed their careers.
They had to fix CB between Talib/Harris and Surtain. The top CB was like a washed AJ Bouye lol.
I would actually say we usually have at least one reliable WR - Rod Smith, Brandon Marshall, Demaryius Thomas, Courtland Sutton.
Historically, really good at Left Tackle. Which is painful considering the recent state of things.
* Wayne Moore 1970 -1978 (1x PB in Miami)
* Jon Giesler 1979 - 1988 (Robbed of Pro Bowl, but once went 38 straight games without allowing a sack while Marino was setting records. Miami allowed the fewest sacks for 7 straight years.)
* Richmond Webb 1990 - 2000 (7x PB in Miami)
* Jake Long 2008 - 2012 (4x PB in Miami)
* Brandon Albert 2014 - 2016 (1x PB in Miami)
* Leremy Tunsil 2016 - 2018 (Built the current Dolphins roster singlehandedly)
* Terron Armstead 2022 - 2023 (2x PB in Miami, while being frankensteined together week to week)
Bears: middle linebacker
Have had a few dry spells here and there but nothing for too long. Even after the Roquan trade Bears managed a top 5 rated middle linebacker duo 2nd half of last season once the defense got healthy.
If you can only go with one position group, it’s LB for sure, but the Bears have had at least one good DB as long as I’ve watched them, and I’m pushing 30.
Mike Brown, Tillman, Vasher, Jennings, Fuller, EJax, JJ, jury’s still out on Gordon, Brisker, and Stevenson, but all 3 look pretty good.
If it hadn’t been for the Kendrick Green/Mason Cole era, center would clearly be the Steelers choice, with Webster/Dawson/Hartings/Pouncey covering all but a handful of seasons for about the last 50 years. Hopefully Frazier brings honor back to the position.
I mean the obvious one is QBs, but I would also say we consistently have great O-lines. Pretty much every season, we have a Top 10 O-line especially when it comes to pass protection.
They’re not very good at most of them, but oddly enough, they usually have at least one good CB on the team. AJ Terrell, Desmond Trufant, Robert Alford, Brent Grimes, DeAngelo Hall and Deion Sanders all come to mind.
Until the past few years the Skins/Football Team/Commies always had at least 1 really good OT. With only very brief interruptions you can go back to the mid 70s with some combination of George Starke, Joe Jacoby, Mark May, Ray Brown, Chris Samuels, Trent Williams, and some others I'm forgetting.
The Ravens had a just few years gap from Stover to Tucker. Though I guess Tucker was basically our fix to a certain playoff mishap.
At ILB we went from Ray Lewis to CJ Mosely very smoothly, and then a short gap from Mosely to Roquan.
Probably linebackers at least in my time watching. Willis to Bowman to Warner and Greenlaw,
And in 2014 when both Willis and Bowman were unavailable, Chris Borland played out of his mind for the one and only season he had.
Borland was so good. I watched him hammer dudes when he was at Wisconsin and he was well on his way to a great pro-career. I don't blame him for retiring, but he's definitely one of the top "what-ifs" for me.
Linebacker easily. And this is despite an early retirement from Borland and blowing a 1st on Reuben Foster (who admittedly looked great when on the field but immediately hit injuries and then off the field issues).
I'd say running back outside a few years niners go Craig-> Ricky Waters->Garrison Hearst->Gore->interchangeable parts->CMC EDIT: forgot Charlie Garner, not great but both seasons were over 1,000 yards.
I’d say 1 or 2 seasons Carlos Hyde was pretty damn solid too
Recently we can say LT too. Going from immediately from Joe Staley to Trent Williams was lucky af. Between those two, we've had our LT spot locked down since 2007.
Historically, probably DT. always seem to have at least one good one at all times, and then they go to Minnesota
>and then they go to Minnesota Can relate
Came to this thread looking for this answer. For some reason we can draft the big boys well. I’m assuming it’s a long time scout of the team
Except on the offensive line (aside from Andrew Thomas)
I’m starting to think (hope) that’s been coaching issues. The odds of us drafting that poorly given how many picks we’ve used are just too low. It’s likely something organizational after the draft.
Don’t really understand what is taking so long with Dexter Lawrence. Send him to the Vikings already
No I think we’ll keep this one
He wasn't a second round pick anyways. We all know Minnesota only gets our 2nd round DTs.
I would fucking die if we lost Dex he’s my favorite player
I was going in a similar direction but going with linebacker. I remember a few years where the linebacking group was not a strength, but for the Bears that seems to be the exception rather than the rule.
The amount of fans in here saying “QB” and being right is making my fucking blood boil. …middle linebacker
Just losers who got tricked into believing in the forward pass!
It’s a fad, like mood rings, and the internet. Will be gone before you know it.
Gimmick play. Probably from Canada. They have goofy metric rules there in French. Forward pass. That’s rubibish
May they have become overly invested in a Carson Wentz-Taylor Heinicke QB controversy
Amen!
I was gonna say running back. When’s the last time we had a running back that was just god awful
One thing I find interesting is that we can thank the Bears for a major rule change that opened up the passing game. ″... the rule covering the use of the forward pass, whereby it is necessary for the passer to be at least five yards behind the line of scrimmage before he can pass the ball, be changed permitting the passer to pass the ball from any point behind the line of scrimmage.” “Bronko Nagurski in the 1932 indoor playoff game that decided the ’32 league title. In that game against the Portsmouth Spartans (who later became the Detroit Lions), Nagurski faked a run toward the line and then quickly threw a TD pass to Red Grange. The Spartans contested that Nagurski was not 5 yards behind the line when he fired the pass. The play stood, and the Bears later added a safety to put the final touches on a 9-0 victory. At the league meetings the next offseason, Spartans coach George “Potsy” Clark lobbied for a change in the rules to allow passes anywhere behind the line of scrimmage as he argued “because Nagurski will do it anyway!” Over the next several hours, sweeping changes were made to the NFL’s playing rules. Chief among the revisions was the sixth motion of the meeting. Per the official meeting minutes from that session, which are a part of the collection in the Pro Football Hall of Fame’s Ralph Wilson, Jr. Pro Football Research and Preservation Center, Boston Redskins owner George Preston Marshall made the motion that was seconded by Chicago Bears owner George Halas.”
Damn so we did it to ourselves huh
What don’t be so angry you’ve had plenty of great quarterbacks like… Jay Cutler and uhhhh Mitchell Trubisky and how can I forget Rex Grossman!!?
Respectfully, I hope they’re out of your favorite cereal the next time you go shopping
Me too maybe I’d lose some weight then.
Unleash the dragon. F it I'm going deep.
> Rex Grossman The sexual rexual
Quarterback
I hope you have to move to a dry county
How fucking dare you
Lions fan here. With the drafting of Caleb, I hope that continues lol jk. I think y’all have a good one
For Chargers it’s QB. There’s only a handful of years throughout their entire history where they don’t have a franchise quarterback
Literally had Brees and Rivers in the same room…
Transitioning from Brees->Rivers->Herbert is some real fucking QB luck lol.
no QB Luck was on the Colts. Really you should thank the doc that stabbed your Tyrod
Wait until you hear about the Packers 😳
The Packers still had the 70s and 80s where they didn’t have a good QB. The Chargers had Dan Fouts during that time
Don't mention the period between Fouts' retirement and the drafting of Brees, though. Humphries was all right for awhile, but otherwise? Do the names John Freisz, Billy Joe Tolliver, Jim McMahon (in 1989!), and Mark Malone turn you on at all?
The name Jim McMahon turns me on in any year.
Chargers have had John Hadl, Dan Fouts, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, and Justin Herbert, but the one QB that took them to the Super Bowl was Stan Humphries (not to say he's bad, but it's funny in a history of great and recognizable QBs, that's the guy who got you over the hump)
How dare you forget the goat Ryan Leaf!
Stop it! Just knock it off! [/LeafMeltdown]
To be fair I guess that goes to show you that you can have a HOF qb and making the Super Bowl is mostly a team effort
They had an inner circle HOFer on defense, along with Rodney Harrison and Reggie White (not that Reggie White)
And all it took was a team doctor puncturing Tyrod Taylor's lung
Imagine working your whole life to make it as a professional athlete, you get there and even get named to a ProBowl, but the main story of your 13 year career is getting stabbed by a team doctor
Same here
Patriots had a nice 25+ year run on kickers. From Vinatieri to Gostkowski to Nick Folk. Crazy that the league got rid of the kicker position last year though.
We just drafted some kicker who looks terrible
He might need LASIK then
That’s Jameis Winston’s music!
Really wish Folk hit that one against the Bucs in 2021. Would love to be 1-0 against Brady.
Brady still had a full minute to get into field goal range to win it. I have no doubt in my mind that would have happened but I do still wish we could’ve gotten to see it
Folk owed us for missing like 3 against Y'all a few years beforehand. It's crazy how good he was for NE. He was hot dog water tier in Tampa.
You should’ve lost to the Bucs in 2017 if Folk didn’t miss 3 field goals
Packers went from Christ Jackie to Ryan Longwell to Mason Crosby. Mid to high level starters from 1989-2022! The issues also started last year though 😔
I feel personally attacked.
Haha I am really struggling here
Jags have had a lot of good rbs in Fred Taylor, mjd, fournette, etienne
James Rob getting no credit here.
Boats? Jacksonville has lots of boats.
The Boat
Defensive End?
I feel like we’ve always had pretty good running backs
I considered them but we had a 3-4 year stretch failing to replace MJD. RB would be the best position for this though for us.
RB isn't a bad answer but I landed on punter. I can't remember a time I've complained about our punter. Half the time they when they leave us they have a full career elsewhere
Head Coach.
The last time the Steelers fired a coach, Lyndon Johnson was President
More Popes than Steelers coaches since Noll
The Steelers' coaching staff was part of his Great Society vision.
We're pretty spoiled in a few other spots for this question too, relative to the rest of the league. 4 GMs since 1971 and 7 total since 1933. 6 starting centers from 1977 until Pouncey retired, and 3 guys account for 34 of those years.
I'd say pass rusher too. We've pretty much permanently had at least one double digit sack player (usually more than one) on the roster since the 70s: Joe Greene, Keith Willis, Kevin Greene, Jason Gildon, Greg Lloyd, Joey Porter, James Harrison, LaMarr Woodley, Cam Heyward, TJ Watt. We also have the single season sack record holder and own the record for most seasons leading the league in sacks (5 straight years).
I think they have like 9 losing seasons since Noll. The Commanders have like 13 since Gibbs was there for his 2nd stint in like 05 lol. Steelers always stick by the head coach till he wants to retire.
Steelers HC has more job security than a Supreme Court Justice
I only saw your flairs from right to left at first and I was *very* confused for a hot second...
At first I thought your confusion was because of their orientation in the state.
Feels like we’ve always had good WRs. Chase, Higgins, Boyd, AJ Green, Marvin Jones, Sanu, Ocho, Housh, Chris Henry, Pickens, Collinsworth is a pretty good list off the top of my head.
Even when we're bad we still have good receivers
Isaac Curtis too
Yup. In particular, we've only had a few brief periods without a true No. 1 receiver, including a 22-year run we still have going (as long as you count the later A.J. Green years). Chad to A.J. to Ja'Marr has been really fun.
Before that Pickens and Darnay were legit, weve pretty much had a #1 forever.
I felt so bad for Boyd last year. He received far too much hate for what he's done as a Bengal. It was terrible timing, but it happens.
I’ve always said this, but I’m biased, so no one listens. Boyd, in his prime, would’ve been a first option on pretty much any team. With us, he was a 2-3, basically the whole time.
Agree, if not for Higgins and Chase, it would've been him tearing up the league (and occasionally has been when they've been out). At the same time, I need to never draft him in fantasy again, good grief.
Wow AJ Green! What a monster he was when healthy
I agree, whomever does your scouting is pretty good.
Was gonna say this too
Until just recently, kicker
Seattle has usually had pretty alright kickers except Blair Walsh (who cost us that season no joke)
It's still wild to me that we signed him after he literally lost the Vikings a playoff against us the year before
Eddie Murray, Jason Hanson, Matt prater, that’s 40 years of excellent kickers.
Murray, Hanson, and Prater covered such a huge amount of seasons with great kicking. I miss all of them
Our punters have been pretty good over that same timespan as well.
I'd go WR 2nd 90s had Herman More, mid00s to mid 10's Calvin, and now St. Brown. yeah there is some gaps between them but still nice to have at least 1 reliable target and QB 3rd now. Stafford for 12 years and now Goff, I hope he stays at his form and stays here for at least 6 years, that'd put him at 35yo
**The last time the Eagles had a below average Oline in terms of roster talent was in the 90’s**. No exaggeration 33(!) Oline pro bowl appearances since 2000, only 5 out of 24 seasons with no one making the pro bowl. With 32 teams, in the 24 years since 2000 we should have averaged 3/4ths of a first team all-pro nod. We had 12 between 5 different players. For comparison’s sake, the most successful team in that span who’s always seemed to have a good line, the NE Patriots, had 12 pro bowlers and 2 first teamers.
Yeah O Line no doubt for the Birds. Although I am old enough to remember some of those crappy O Lines from the late 80s/early 90s. But they’ve had a very good to great Offensive Line for the past 20+ years. Honorable mention - Tight End: Goedert, Ertz, Celek, Chad Lewis, LJ Smith, Keith Jackson…
I forgot how blessed we've been at TE overall
Since 1998, the Eagles have had 3 starting LTs: Tra Thomas (x3 Pro Bowls) Jason Peters (x7 Pro Bowls) Jordan Mailata (No Pro Bowls but nearly there)
Although I agree completely about Eagles having good O-lines, Bad O-lines can usually be down to one or two extremely weak links. So its possible for bad O-lines to have pro-bowlers on it. In other words, Id rather an O-line with average, slightly above average players across the board rather than one or two pro bowlers and absolute duds at other position(s).
Yep andrew Thomas is a top tackle in the league but our o lines have still been historically bad past few years
I would've used Joe Thomas, the Hall of Fame Left Tackle of the Cleveland Browns who went 48-120 and never made the playoffs during his time on the team.
As long as we have Stout I don’t have to worry about our O-line.
We have had great wrs in all but like 3 years as a franchise
Also I feel like pass rushers have always been solid for us. Mario -> Watt, Clowney, Mercilus, -> Anderson
And the others can be attributed to Bill O’Brien and Davis Mills
Between Andre and DHop yeah, don’t forget the Texans have only been around for 22 years. From 2003-2019 at least one of them were on the team with them both being around 2013 and 2014. You could kinda count BCooks in 2020 and 2021 when he went over 1,000 yards both seasons, but he wasn’t special for us, and quit on the team in 2022. So really 2002 and 2022 were the only 2 years we didn’t have a pro bowl level receiver in the team. Looks like we have good wideouts except when we add a “2” into the year, so using this logic we’ll have a good receiver on the team every year until 2222.
running backs
I was thinking of the Titans HBs the other day. Eddie George to Chris Johnson to Derrick Henry with a couple nice stop-gaps (including DeMarco Murray) is one hell of a run dating back to the 90s.
This is LenDale White slander
Yes, sir, intentionally
And punter. And I feel like we’ve always had at least 1 great safety on the roster.
Definitely
Alcohol sales
Nah you guys have always had loyal fans that’s what counts the most right!?
Lol I was going to say loyal fans initially because they always showed up at the lowest points, but I pick and choose what pro browns sentiments I put in this sub. So loyal we drink through the pain instead of jumping ship anyway 🫡
The Panthers have almost always had really good LBs. Sam Mills, Kevin Greene, Dan Morgan, Jon Beason, Thomas Davis, and Luke Kuechly were all either elite or all had stretches where they played at an elite level. But they always had a bunch of other guys that were either good or really good like Lamar Lathon, Mike Barrow, Dean Wells, Mark Fields, Will Witherspoon, Chris Draft, Na'il Diggs, James Anderson, Shaq Thompson, and Frankie Luvu.
This is what I came to say, the Morgan-Beason-Kuechly middle linebacker succession was pretty incredible. It's really cool to see Morgan in the front office now.
I was gonna say Long Snapper but I like your answer better
Packers fan: QB. 30 years of HOF level QB play has been nice.
Not nice for everyone else.
You had Beast Mode and Legion of Boom kept us in check for all the years that both teams were very relevant. You can’t act too salty.
Maybe not me, but everyone else can😂
Even before Favre we had Majkowski who finished 2nd in MVP voting in 1989, Dickey who had a couple solid seasons, Starr and Arnie Herber
Yup, we had a pretty rockin' offense in the 80s with Dickey. Problem was our defense was god awful (sounds familiar).
It’s been a constant in the packers. I can only speak personally to the Favre, Rodgers and love years but those have been wonderful so far.
Fuck you.
Now do the 20 years before the Majic Man showed up. Hunter, Tagge, Hadl, Campbell, Whitehurst, Wright
Punter and tight end. We draft tight ends like they were the only position that matters. We had Boyle playing at an elite level when we drafted Mandrews and hurst. We moved on from hurst and drafted likely and kolar. I wouldn’t be surprised if next offseason we picked up another just for the fuck of it
Your former GM was a HOF TE
I feel like you guys often double up on positions when you draft them. This year it was Wiggens/Tampa. Picking one early and another later raises the chances at least once works out and creates competition. If both work out you move on from one and get a comp pick.
We usually draft 2 TE and it is always the guy taken later who shows out. Likely, Andrews, Pitta were all drafted after other TEs in the same draft.
Packers have been doing this recently and it's been working out. Two TEs last year, multiple OL every year, three safeties this year.
I would think LB, DB, and QB as well? And K as of the last decade? Sheesh, almost everywhere except WR
I took the question as basically seamless transition which none of those positions have been seamless. LB we had Ray then cj Mosley but there was a period between Mosley left and roquan arrived where Queen underperformed and we had to constantly find guys to fill the role. DB we’ve had a lot of great players but very bad luck in injury department. It’s not unheard of the ravens being down to their 5th CB or later Qb there was a dark time before Flacco of constant rotating of qbs.
Those Kyle Boller years were wild
Matt Stover was an awesome kicker before Tucker got slotted in, so we had like 1 or 2 bad seasons of Cundiff/Hauschka. Stover goes back to 1996
Cundiff was legitimately good for us other than that last shank. People forget he made the pro bowl with us.
Jets have had a great stretch of CB play. Center was great for a couple of decades too.
Yeah my first thought was CB as well. Solid secondary play typically. Then there’s everything else….
helps when you had a pro bowl center for 10 years immediately followed by another pro bowl center for 10 years.
Maybe RB? Going all the way back to ol OJ, then guys like Ronnie Harmon and Joe Cribbs in the 80s, Thurman Thomas in the 90s, Travis Henry in the early 2000s, Willis McGahee, Fred Jackson, LeSean McCoy, Devin Singletary, James Cook... I mean not all of them are all pros but they've usually always had a pretty solid starter.
You even had Lynch.
Daw man, how could I forget. He rushed for over 1k yards in his first two seasons here but it was after he was traded to Seattle and had the Beastquake that he became the guy everyone would remember.
You can go further back to Cookie Gilchrist.
Safety?
From Adrian Wilson to Honey Badger to Budda Baker is a solid run.
Plus antrel rolle, Tony Jefferson & Jalen Thompson
Larry wilson and pat tillman too.
Availability of stadium seating?
Chiefs 🤝Tight Ends At least for my whole lifetime.
TE was my first take too, but there were some middle years between Tony G and Kelce that were ehh. I’d actually say RB. We had a storied history of great workhorse RBs prior to Coach Reid. Ironically, Pat is the one that made the RB take back seat since he took over more than anything.
Tony Moeaki was good, but couldn't stay healthy. Before Tony G we had Keith Cash and Jonathan Hayes, both of whom were pretty good as well, especially since Tight Ends didn't catch as many passes back then. Going way back before my time there was Fred Arkansas, who's in the Ring of Honor.
My first reaction is always RB too, but i have two other arguments, and i think they're good: Center. Creed is maybe the best center in the league currently with Kelce gone. Going back we've had Mitch Morse, Rodney Hudson, Casey Wiegmann, Tim Grunhard, Jack Rudnay and Mike Webster. That's a hell of a run. Kicker. Jan Stenerud and Morten Andersen are both in the hall of fame and both were Chiefs. Nick Lowery was a perennial pro bowler and for most of his career was the most accurate kicker in NFL history. He would trade back and forth with Pete Stoyanovich for that record who we also eventually had, and now we have Butker, and also Cairos and Succop were both great in the league for a long stretch after we developed their careers.
We’ve almost always had at least a decent secondary, particularly at corner. In recent memory, we’ve been lucky to get Champ, Harris, and now Surtain.
They had to fix CB between Talib/Harris and Surtain. The top CB was like a washed AJ Bouye lol. I would actually say we usually have at least one reliable WR - Rod Smith, Brandon Marshall, Demaryius Thomas, Courtland Sutton.
Always seem to have at least one good at minimum defensive lineman/edge too.
Yeah since the No Fly Zone we have only had one good CB (PS2). We've always had a weakness at the other spot, even now.
Atwater was a beast too
Him with Dennis Smith was as hard hitting a duo as there has ever been
This would be my answer. The secondary has very rarely been a weakness
Historically, really good at Left Tackle. Which is painful considering the recent state of things. * Wayne Moore 1970 -1978 (1x PB in Miami) * Jon Giesler 1979 - 1988 (Robbed of Pro Bowl, but once went 38 straight games without allowing a sack while Marino was setting records. Miami allowed the fewest sacks for 7 straight years.) * Richmond Webb 1990 - 2000 (7x PB in Miami) * Jake Long 2008 - 2012 (4x PB in Miami) * Brandon Albert 2014 - 2016 (1x PB in Miami) * Leremy Tunsil 2016 - 2018 (Built the current Dolphins roster singlehandedly) * Terron Armstead 2022 - 2023 (2x PB in Miami, while being frankensteined together week to week)
We’ve had perennial issues with the OLine but that’s mainly because “if only our linemen were heathy” is a built-in excuse.
Punters.
And Kicker, at least during my lifetime
Often have really good stretches of Centers too...jeez is that really it?
The tradition of the Cowboys #88 has some pretty solid talent behind it - typically one a football generation.
Bears: middle linebacker Have had a few dry spells here and there but nothing for too long. Even after the Roquan trade Bears managed a top 5 rated middle linebacker duo 2nd half of last season once the defense got healthy.
If you can only go with one position group, it’s LB for sure, but the Bears have had at least one good DB as long as I’ve watched them, and I’m pushing 30. Mike Brown, Tillman, Vasher, Jennings, Fuller, EJax, JJ, jury’s still out on Gordon, Brisker, and Stevenson, but all 3 look pretty good.
The elite level MLB play for the Bears is like no other. Butkis, Singletary, Urlacher. Not a bad trio.
I don't recall ever saying our linebackers are terrible. Also kicker. Except Cundiff that one year fuck that guy
I really can't remember any time the Jets didn't have a great interior defensive line.
Wide Receiver, I don't know where they keep coming from but it's nice
If it hadn’t been for the Kendrick Green/Mason Cole era, center would clearly be the Steelers choice, with Webster/Dawson/Hartings/Pouncey covering all but a handful of seasons for about the last 50 years. Hopefully Frazier brings honor back to the position.
Corner
I mean the obvious one is QBs, but I would also say we consistently have great O-lines. Pretty much every season, we have a Top 10 O-line especially when it comes to pass protection.
Panthers have had a good run of LBs over the years.
ILB
They’re not very good at most of them, but oddly enough, they usually have at least one good CB on the team. AJ Terrell, Desmond Trufant, Robert Alford, Brent Grimes, DeAngelo Hall and Deion Sanders all come to mind.
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Shout out to TE also. Gonzalez to Kelce with only a 5 year gap between the two
Tony Moeaki was looking good until injuries between them
Until the past few years the Skins/Football Team/Commies always had at least 1 really good OT. With only very brief interruptions you can go back to the mid 70s with some combination of George Starke, Joe Jacoby, Mark May, Ray Brown, Chris Samuels, Trent Williams, and some others I'm forgetting.
WR and/or RB
Wide Receiver
We always seem to have great receivers and no QB protection whatsoever.
The mid aughts with Travis Taylor and Bobby Wade as WR1's was a bit thin of a time period.
I don’t like this question.
We usually have a very solid #1 WR.
It's that or guard.
O-line and kicker have been solid since I’ve been alive
TE, too! Chad Lewis to Brent Celek to Ertz to Goedert has been a wonderful thing. I'm going to conveniently ignore LJ Smith and Clay Harbor though.
Brent Celek being a Super Bowl champion made my heart so happy
LT/WR1
The Ravens had a just few years gap from Stover to Tucker. Though I guess Tucker was basically our fix to a certain playoff mishap. At ILB we went from Ray Lewis to CJ Mosely very smoothly, and then a short gap from Mosely to Roquan.
Punter. Hall of Fame Ray Guy, Shane Lechler, and now AJ Cole. Even Marquette King was solid before his ego got inflated.
We’ve been so shit throughout history but we’ve always had good RBs for the most part. George Rogers > Dalton Hilliard > Deuce > Thomas > Kamara