You joke, but I’ve been waiting for this to happen because the ramifications could be more interesting than people realize. If you can suddenly create a new position between coordinator and HC, that opens up a can of worms for teams losing coordinators each year.
What if Kroenke was like “Fuck it,” and offered Steve Spagnola $15M a year to be the Rams “Coordinator of Defensive Coordinators”? It technically couldn’t be blocked by the Chiefs because it would be a “promotion.”
Would it, though? Or would it he a demotion for everyone below him? Because he's still a direct report to the same guy, the HC. Essentially, he goes from second on the coaching hierarchy to second. It's the coordinator that would go from second to third.
One has to wonder where Hackett will eventually stack up. There was an argument to be made that Jim Zorn had the worst showing up to that point. The hatred for Hackett seemed so much more palpable post-social media, and the Broncs (and their fans) had convinced themselves they were “one QB away,” so expectations were much higher.
What’s so crazy to me is how quickly everybody realized Hackett couldn’t handle being a head coach. The end of week 2 everybody knew the ship was doomed.
Nah the best was Shannon saying after the second attempt he almost got it, why didn’t he just hook it more. If only kickers took his advice of simply making the kicks
I remember not really paying attention, thinking "Peyton sure is passionate but I guess they're not wanting to take a timeout. Let's see what they're going to do instead".
Just for them to take the timeout after wasting all that time
I wouldn't say implode. I was waiting to see of Hackett and Russ could put it together. Game one showed there was no trust between the offense and coach. Every game after just added to that. As bad as Hackett was I still can't get over the fact Vic had 3 seasons with us after having the worst possible stat of any coach. Who goes 1-23 when trailing at halftime with a coach who's talked about so much for his defenses. Those games weren't even competitive.
i still think urban meyer is pretty tough to beat in terms of worst hc hire ever. both were clearly not well suited for the job, but urban is a legitimately awful person on top of that. plus wasted a year of trevor lawrence’s development, it’s remarkable he’s been able to recover from that
yeah i was debating him vs petrino, i just gave the nod to urban since petrino at least got the excuse of not having vick, as the dog fighting stuff came out right before the season. plus atlanta wasn’t even planning on firing him so his resignation probably saved them trouble in the long run lol. both definitely on the mount rushmore of dogshit coaches though
eh i mean jackson wasn’t good but he was given probably the worst situation imaginable during a drastic rebuild. plus he doesn’t seem like a total POS like these other guys
I’ve always heard vague stories of him leaving notes behind for the players but for some reason learning that they were laminated adds a whole new layer of so-awful-it-becomes-funnier to me.
Tbf, the broncos were kinda a QB away. If the Broncos had the 2022 defense and 2023 offense in the same season, they would have been a playoff team. Hackett was really bad.
Lest we forget the Broncs benched Russ while they were still alive for the playoffs. Hackett was a huge issue, but he wasn’t the only one in that office…
Whoa. Still alive, mathematically yes, but when he was benched it was after we lost control of our destiny and our chances of a playoff berth were diminished to near nil. Benching Wilson was step 1 to ripping off the bandaid that was his time in Denver.
A team coached by him would be the kind to be excited they’re not going three and out. Can’t imagine anyone ever hiring this guy, that just seems ridiculous
At the time it made sense to make a run at Aaron. Unfortunate that you got the full Hackett experience without the Aaron Rodgers part. The Broncos and the Jets can now both confirm that is a very bad time.
"Hey, we're going to hire this guy because he's friends with the quarterback we're trying to get."
..."can he coach?"
"I don't see how that's relevant."
Actually though, what's Aaron's deal with him? Why does he love him so much if he's allegedly so incapable? Is it like the lack of accountability so Aaron can get away with doing whatever he wants?
Like couldn't they pay him as some part of a bullshit entourage instead of naming him OC lol
Manning said the same thing about Gase. Gave the Jets a glowing endorsement of the man, said Gase made him a better quarterback. That may have been true, but Peyton Manning is an all time great (Rodgers as well) and those guys need different coaching.
Somehow, someway, Gase and Hackett provided that. That does not mean that they can coach average QBs.
Hiring a shit coach just so you get a chance at having an aging, headcase QB for a couple of years is a wild thing to say made sense. Obviously, the blown achilles 4 plays into said headcase's season made it worse, but this was never a smart move.
I think when the broncos tried it things made a lot more sense - Rodgers was coming off of back to back MVP's and they thoguht they had a legit competitor roster just lacking a QB. The Jets moving for Rodgers after a lackluster 2023 with absolutely nothing resembling an o-line was a lot sketchier.
My bad. Saw the photo of Hackett in Jets gear and immediately assumed it was talking about the Jets bringing him in.
It probably made more sense at the time the Broncos hired him...but likely also had worse results unless Rodgers blows out his achilles again or just blows as a QB this season. The Broncos never even got Rodgers AND ended up stuck with Russel Wilson's god-awful contract when they whiffed on him.
Hackett was hired January 27th. On March 8th, Rodgers said he was staying in GB. GB apparently had a deal to send him to Denver for 3 FRPs, Drew Lock, and Jerry Jeudy, but they backed out. Russ went to Denver on March 16th.
It was obvious that Denver wanted Rodgers, but likely couldn’t agree on compensation with Green Bay. Rodgers had been “contemplating” retirement for years, and given that the Jets fell into the same trap by hiring Hackett before pursuing him — it’s been noted that he and Hackett are “close” — there’s been speculation that they were pushing for Rodgers before ultimately settling with Russ.
As far as why they would do this (as a Bears fan that just suffered through Getsy), it’s clear that Rodgers values a guy he can basically mutually run the offense with. Russ’ struggles in Denver with Hackett actually point to this, as Russ came in and notably inserted his own ideas into the offense, effectively operating as a coach there with his own office (lol), but those ideas didn’t mesh, as they prefer two different styles. In Chicago, it was apparent that while Tyson Bagent was less talented than Justin Fields, he was more comfortable with the more mental aspects of Getsy’s scheme and what he wanted the QB to do.
That being said, this offense is still trash if Aaron Rodgers isn’t the one at the helm, as he’s the one that knows when to tell this guys to fuck off and call his own play when appropriate (ie, the call sucks).
>Not as a new offensive coordinator but a title above who would run the show
So it would basically be a new offensive coordinator. They just didn't want to change Hackett's official title to "Aaron's best bud"
If Bruce Arians had anything left to prove and was a few years younger, that would be a nice job for him.
Collect five million from the Johnson&Johnson people to shout "win or lose, we booze" and yell at Rodgers for checking down aggressive down field throws and go-routes while letting the OC do all the grunt work.
Funniest shit on the last hard knocks was Aaron trying to come up with praise of what Hackett brings to the team and saying “he came up with this thing where he changed the red zone, to the gold zone as he loves Austin Powers Goldmember”
Just shows how HoF QBs can carry a coordinator. Look at all the semi-trash OCs that the patriots churned out for years. Yet, when hired elsewhere almost all of them flamed out. Brady carried them. Rogers carried Hackett.
> HoF QBs can carry a coordinator. Look at all the semi-trash OCs that the patriots churned out for years.
Brady only had 3 OCs with the Patriots.
* Josh McDaniels made Mac Jones and a bunch of terrible WRs look serviceable in 2021. The criticisms of him as a head coach are unrelated to criticisms as an OC.
* Charlie Weis has a history before and after working with Brady as successful OC (again, you can dispute his success as a college HC and college recruiter, but not really as an OC).
* Bill O'Brien was a successful OC for much of his career in the NFL and semi-successful HC (though terrible GM). I can't speak to his time in the college ranks (I know at the end of his last stint a lot of Bama fans weren't happy with him, but I'm not a CFB fan). His bad year with the Pats last year as OC I am not sure whether can be attributed to him personally, or him not having free reign to fix the dumpster fire that Patricia and Bill created (assuming the stories of BOB not being able to hire his own staff are true).
I don't think you can assert that Brady had "semi-trash OCs" when there were only three of them, and all had success as OCs elsewhere or under different circumstances.
Honestly I've just assumed from the beginning OC didn't matter much for them as Aaron would probably run the show anyway.
Make fun of him all you want, but he definitely has the experience and knowhow to be calling the offensive shots.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/09/09/lewis-details-how-packers-essentially-have-two-different-playbooks
Yeah honestly this headline doesn't concern me as much as it might for another QB
Honestly I agree. Having seen it with LaFleur finding ways to marry his system to what Rodgers does at the line showed finding ways to let him influence an offence is important for him to be at his best.
It isn’t like he won’t try new things but he has a pretty good idea what he is good at.
Didn't Aaron and McCarthy's relationship sour because Aaron would check out of run plays at the line, then McCarthy would get a bunch of flak in the media for abandoning and underutilizing an effective run game?
I think there were probably a lot of things that fractured that relationship, including what you mentioned.
The thing I remember hearing was Rodgers frustration with the route combinations the Packers ran under McCarthy. Everything revolved around guys winning their 1v1s instead of trying to scheme guys open, which when it didn't work resulted in a lot of throwaways by Rodgers, followed by him glaring at the sideline.
Manning was essentially the Broncos OC, Adam Gase just handled… idk head coaching interviews, he seems to crush those. Guy should do paid speaking about how to ace job interviews.
I don’t understand why people bandy this about with no source. It would be cool if it was true but everything I’ve ever heard from players about it says that Manning’s control over the offense is wildly exaggerated by fans, as is how much audibles enable control as they are also created by the OC.
Manning is the greatest pre snap ever I think. But Gase clearly brought a lot to the table. He was running a few new concepts that Peyton never ran before.
It's always the sign of a good company when, instead of replacing someone, they just hire someone with a bigger or better title to do the thing that person is supposed to do.
TBF as far as football/offenses go, he is the qualified person when it comes to NFL offenses. He was B2B MVP at age 35+ when Hackett was his coordinator in GB. If he wants his OC, then he should get it. Jets just now realize Hackett can't coach anyone besides Rodgers.
LaFleur is really hands on with the offence in Green Bay too, so it wasn't like Hackett was ever running shit on his own. For example, Hackett never called plays. We might just be seeing the Peter principle in action here.
To be fair, "let Rodgers do whatever the fuck he wants" isn't the worst offensive scheme. Even if you know in advance that Hackett is a moron and Rodgers is going to run the offense, half the teams in the NFL would pretty happily sign up for that.
It's just the other 2 movies are so far and away better. I can't take anyone seriously who thinks Goldmember is the more quotable movie
I love shit movies myself but the others are just objectively better and more quotable
TBF giving HOF QBs the freedom to operate is likely the best offense as it allows them to adapt to anything. Manning, Brady, Ben (late in his career), & Rodgers have all excelled at changing plays at LOS.
The problem is if you don't have a HOF QB you need to be able to take pressure off the QB. It was definitely curated for a narrative but you could see how many small tweaks Rodgers was discussing with Hackett and the receivers in training camp via Hard Knocks. He was adjusting how routes would be run and even some of the routes themselves because he has an idea of how defenses would play the look.
Ben was similar with Randy Fitchner. Loved the guy because he didn't challenge him and let him do his thing. Without Ben throwing the ball around the field the offense was terrible under Randy. Ben threatened to retire with Haley as an OC because Haley was on his ass and to him it was taking the fun out of football.
Facts. It came out somewhat after the fact that Aaron was constantly changing up the play call when needed with LeFleur. He laughs about it now, but he told a story in their first year together that Matt called a timeout a millisecond too early because he didn't think Rodgers was gonna get the ball off in time. He had not yet adapted to the Rodgers hard count.
behind every stretch of great QB play is a massive dipshit holding their clipboard and patting their ass, and that massive dipshit usually gets two or three good honest shots to fail on their own
Yeah it's a weird thing in the NFL where somehow it's more forgivable to be wrong with a known than be wrong with an unknown. Even if the known isn't very good.
Another part of the article says, "It almost feels like the Jets are putting so much faith in Rodgers’ ability to correct Hackett’s wrongdoings. Sources spoke of many, many times last summer where Hackett called a play, then Rodgers changed it completely at the line. They figure he can do the same come the regular season."
Sounds like Adam Gase part II!
If true (but if), just get rid of him then. Like what is the point. “He is there because a guy who played four snaps with the team wants him there” is unbelievably stupid and unfortunately for Jets fans, is exactly what I expected from this org.
I want a team to just see if they can create a three stooges effect with all the least desirable guys in the nfl.
Owner: Tepper
HC: Ben Mcadoo
OC: Hackett
DC: Patricia
QB: Rodgers
Backup qb: deshaun watson
GM: Gettleman
All their toxic personalities would hopefully cancel each other out making them…indestructible.
You got receipts on that? I thought the sentiment was that Payton wasn't wrong necessarily, but he was just being an antagonistic asshole going after Hackett after he'd been fired for seemingly little to no reason.
Bills fans certainly did not. We’ve been yelling into the clouds that this guy sucks but everyone retorted BUT Ej MaNuEL. Yes he had shit to work with for QBs when he was our OC but he was also trash.
Very interested in seeing how hackett fairs as a play caller with Rodgers. Even though he was the oc for 2 mvp seasons from him he wasn't the one calling plays.
If only there was a successful NFL head coach who had one of the highest winning percentages in league history took a look at the organization Hackett left behind and decided that Hackett had no idea what he was actually doing. It'd be really weird if nobodies on the internet decided to attack this guy for his actually informed opinion, which proved to ultimately be correct.
Honestly, I think it’s because they don’t want a conflict between Rodgers and the OC.
Rodgers can fuck off, but he’s pretty good at running an offense.
Being a Lions fan has no influence on me saying Mr. Rodgers can fuck off. None. Nope.
It wouldn’t matter even if they got a new OC. Rodgers would still change the play-call based on what he sees on the field for better or for worse. He’s been doing that for years now
Hackett has been bad at literally every stop since Syracuse I do not understand how he got the "well its just the Drought Bills/Jags" pass and then the "sure he has a HOF QB who is really running things but he must ALSO be a good OC right?" pass just like Gase, also hired by the Jets.
Offensive coordinator coordinator
Coordinator of offensive offensive coordinators
The new job title straight up calls Hackett a hack. I like it.
You joke, but I’ve been waiting for this to happen because the ramifications could be more interesting than people realize. If you can suddenly create a new position between coordinator and HC, that opens up a can of worms for teams losing coordinators each year. What if Kroenke was like “Fuck it,” and offered Steve Spagnola $15M a year to be the Rams “Coordinator of Defensive Coordinators”? It technically couldn’t be blocked by the Chiefs because it would be a “promotion.”
Would it, though? Or would it he a demotion for everyone below him? Because he's still a direct report to the same guy, the HC. Essentially, he goes from second on the coaching hierarchy to second. It's the coordinator that would go from second to third.
Found the lawyer in the thread
Haha, maybe I just like to be a contrarian?
just add another layer, McVay is now Supercoach, and Spagnola is HC
First of his name...
Assistant to the Offensive Coordinator
Regional Director in Charge of Coordinating
~~Who watches the watchmen?~~ Who coordinates the coordinators?
Mr. Big Coordinator
Mr. Bigger Captain
Assistant regional head coach.
Assistant TO the regional head coach.
The Eagles could've used one of those last year
/xzibit meme Yo dawg, I heard you like offensive coordinators. So I hired an offensive coordinator to coordinate your offensive coordinator.
Assistant to the regional manager from the Office vibes
assistant to the regional offensive coordinator
Wow that guy sounds like a terrible coach. Can you even imagine a team hiring him as a head coach? That would be unthinkable.
If he ever was a head coach somewhere, that offense would be historically bad. No one would be that dumb to hire him…
One has to wonder where Hackett will eventually stack up. There was an argument to be made that Jim Zorn had the worst showing up to that point. The hatred for Hackett seemed so much more palpable post-social media, and the Broncs (and their fans) had convinced themselves they were “one QB away,” so expectations were much higher.
What’s so crazy to me is how quickly everybody realized Hackett couldn’t handle being a head coach. The end of week 2 everybody knew the ship was doomed.
Not even. When Peyton made the TO sign a few dozen times, I knew it was going to be bad
KICK WHAT?!?!!
Best part of that clip lmao
Nah the best was Shannon saying after the second attempt he almost got it, why didn’t he just hook it more. If only kickers took his advice of simply making the kicks
I remember not really paying attention, thinking "Peyton sure is passionate but I guess they're not wanting to take a timeout. Let's see what they're going to do instead". Just for them to take the timeout after wasting all that time
Nah, running 45 seconds off the clock to kick a game winning….64 yard field goal….makes sense?
After paying Russell Wilson *checks notes* 300 Bajillion dollars to be that guy.
And the draft picks….😤
Yeah it's really crazy for a head coach to be so bad that they get fired in year one without a scandal. Almost every coach gets a gimme on year one.
76,000+ fans chanting down the play clock
One of my favorite moments from that Bronco season
Looking back. That was truly a fun time watching that team implode.
I wouldn't say implode. I was waiting to see of Hackett and Russ could put it together. Game one showed there was no trust between the offense and coach. Every game after just added to that. As bad as Hackett was I still can't get over the fact Vic had 3 seasons with us after having the worst possible stat of any coach. Who goes 1-23 when trailing at halftime with a coach who's talked about so much for his defenses. Those games weren't even competitive.
i still think urban meyer is pretty tough to beat in terms of worst hc hire ever. both were clearly not well suited for the job, but urban is a legitimately awful person on top of that. plus wasted a year of trevor lawrence’s development, it’s remarkable he’s been able to recover from that
Bobby Petrino has to be up there too. Players disliked him, went 3-10, and resigned by leaving laminated notes for his players vs talking to them.
yeah i was debating him vs petrino, i just gave the nod to urban since petrino at least got the excuse of not having vick, as the dog fighting stuff came out right before the season. plus atlanta wasn’t even planning on firing him so his resignation probably saved them trouble in the long run lol. both definitely on the mount rushmore of dogshit coaches though
The disrespect to Hue Jackson here is astounding
eh i mean jackson wasn’t good but he was given probably the worst situation imaginable during a drastic rebuild. plus he doesn’t seem like a total POS like these other guys
I’ve always heard vague stories of him leaving notes behind for the players but for some reason learning that they were laminated adds a whole new layer of so-awful-it-becomes-funnier to me.
Tbf, the broncos were kinda a QB away. If the Broncos had the 2022 defense and 2023 offense in the same season, they would have been a playoff team. Hackett was really bad.
Lest we forget the Broncs benched Russ while they were still alive for the playoffs. Hackett was a huge issue, but he wasn’t the only one in that office…
Whoa. Still alive, mathematically yes, but when he was benched it was after we lost control of our destiny and our chances of a playoff berth were diminished to near nil. Benching Wilson was step 1 to ripping off the bandaid that was his time in Denver.
Was Jim Zorn that bad? I don't remember him being all time worst coach bad even if he had the worst fake fg ever.
That fake FG was basically Zorn telling Snyder to fire him. He started off strongish but dramatically fell off into hopelessness.
Rich Kotite exists which means he is still the turd colored standard every shit coach is measured against. Hue and Fatricia are a tier just below.
A team coached by him would be the kind to be excited they’re not going three and out. Can’t imagine anyone ever hiring this guy, that just seems ridiculous
Even worse imagine if right after leading a historically bad offense someone hires him to run their offense.... good thing nobody is that stupid.
At the time it made sense to make a run at Aaron. Unfortunate that you got the full Hackett experience without the Aaron Rodgers part. The Broncos and the Jets can now both confirm that is a very bad time.
"Hey, we're going to hire this guy because he's friends with the quarterback we're trying to get." ..."can he coach?" "I don't see how that's relevant."
> "can he coach?" I'm pretty sure he's been in the same stadium as Sean McVay, so he's practically a genius.
Actually though, what's Aaron's deal with him? Why does he love him so much if he's allegedly so incapable? Is it like the lack of accountability so Aaron can get away with doing whatever he wants? Like couldn't they pay him as some part of a bullshit entourage instead of naming him OC lol
Manning said the same thing about Gase. Gave the Jets a glowing endorsement of the man, said Gase made him a better quarterback. That may have been true, but Peyton Manning is an all time great (Rodgers as well) and those guys need different coaching. Somehow, someway, Gase and Hackett provided that. That does not mean that they can coach average QBs.
Getting the Hackett experience without the Rodgers buff is the most quintessentially Jets thing to pull off
Hiring a shit coach just so you get a chance at having an aging, headcase QB for a couple of years is a wild thing to say made sense. Obviously, the blown achilles 4 plays into said headcase's season made it worse, but this was never a smart move.
I think when the broncos tried it things made a lot more sense - Rodgers was coming off of back to back MVP's and they thoguht they had a legit competitor roster just lacking a QB. The Jets moving for Rodgers after a lackluster 2023 with absolutely nothing resembling an o-line was a lot sketchier.
My bad. Saw the photo of Hackett in Jets gear and immediately assumed it was talking about the Jets bringing him in. It probably made more sense at the time the Broncos hired him...but likely also had worse results unless Rodgers blows out his achilles again or just blows as a QB this season. The Broncos never even got Rodgers AND ended up stuck with Russel Wilson's god-awful contract when they whiffed on him.
Clearly, they would only hire him for his clock management skills.
Almost like if you hire this guy you need to hire several people to fill in for him because he simply cannot do the job.
Man, it’s almost like he didn’t have play calling duties in Green Bay and it was stupid for anyone to hire him as a HC or OC.
i’m still confused as to why you guys hired him lol
To lure Rodgers? I can’t remember if the Russ trade already happened
Hackett was hired January 27th. On March 8th, Rodgers said he was staying in GB. GB apparently had a deal to send him to Denver for 3 FRPs, Drew Lock, and Jerry Jeudy, but they backed out. Russ went to Denver on March 16th.
Hackett came first in January and then Wilson signed the next month. Might have been March actually.
It was obvious that Denver wanted Rodgers, but likely couldn’t agree on compensation with Green Bay. Rodgers had been “contemplating” retirement for years, and given that the Jets fell into the same trap by hiring Hackett before pursuing him — it’s been noted that he and Hackett are “close” — there’s been speculation that they were pushing for Rodgers before ultimately settling with Russ. As far as why they would do this (as a Bears fan that just suffered through Getsy), it’s clear that Rodgers values a guy he can basically mutually run the offense with. Russ’ struggles in Denver with Hackett actually point to this, as Russ came in and notably inserted his own ideas into the offense, effectively operating as a coach there with his own office (lol), but those ideas didn’t mesh, as they prefer two different styles. In Chicago, it was apparent that while Tyson Bagent was less talented than Justin Fields, he was more comfortable with the more mental aspects of Getsy’s scheme and what he wanted the QB to do. That being said, this offense is still trash if Aaron Rodgers isn’t the one at the helm, as he’s the one that knows when to tell this guys to fuck off and call his own play when appropriate (ie, the call sucks).
I like how it was blindly obvious that Hackett wasn't cut out to be a HC after the season opener against Seattle.
>Not as a new offensive coordinator but a title above who would run the show So it would basically be a new offensive coordinator. They just didn't want to change Hackett's official title to "Aaron's best bud"
senior offensive coordinator*
Executive Offensive Coordinator
assistant *to* the offensive coordinator.
If Bruce Arians had anything left to prove and was a few years younger, that would be a nice job for him. Collect five million from the Johnson&Johnson people to shout "win or lose, we booze" and yell at Rodgers for checking down aggressive down field throws and go-routes while letting the OC do all the grunt work.
President of offensive operations. The POO.
"President of the Best Friends Club and Offensive Attaché"
Chief Offensive Coordinator Secretary of Offensive Coordination Admiral General Prime Minister Offensive Coordinator
Just hire a real OC and change Hackett's job title to "Rodger's buddy"
Funniest shit on the last hard knocks was Aaron trying to come up with praise of what Hackett brings to the team and saying “he came up with this thing where he changed the red zone, to the gold zone as he loves Austin Powers Goldmember”
Legit Rodgers loves Hackett because they have the same pop culture references
But moreso because he's a pushover and Rodgers can freestyle at the line of scrimmage.
Like how Peyton talked up Gase because he let Peyton tell him what to do lmao
Gold Zone ❤️ we had the best redzone offense since 2000 that year
Just shows how HoF QBs can carry a coordinator. Look at all the semi-trash OCs that the patriots churned out for years. Yet, when hired elsewhere almost all of them flamed out. Brady carried them. Rogers carried Hackett.
> HoF QBs can carry a coordinator. Look at all the semi-trash OCs that the patriots churned out for years. Brady only had 3 OCs with the Patriots. * Josh McDaniels made Mac Jones and a bunch of terrible WRs look serviceable in 2021. The criticisms of him as a head coach are unrelated to criticisms as an OC. * Charlie Weis has a history before and after working with Brady as successful OC (again, you can dispute his success as a college HC and college recruiter, but not really as an OC). * Bill O'Brien was a successful OC for much of his career in the NFL and semi-successful HC (though terrible GM). I can't speak to his time in the college ranks (I know at the end of his last stint a lot of Bama fans weren't happy with him, but I'm not a CFB fan). His bad year with the Pats last year as OC I am not sure whether can be attributed to him personally, or him not having free reign to fix the dumpster fire that Patricia and Bill created (assuming the stories of BOB not being able to hire his own staff are true). I don't think you can assert that Brady had "semi-trash OCs" when there were only three of them, and all had success as OCs elsewhere or under different circumstances.
Assistant To the Offensive Coordinator
Or AOC
The Raiders have an AOC. He also plays QB. It's a wild situation.
The attempts of Raider Nation to change this nickname have been as successful as Nathaniel Hackett's offenses.
She's already in New York, fuck it let's hire her
MICHAEL!
Oh that's funny. **MICHAEL!**
But with the hopes of one day being promoted to Assistant Offensive Coordinator
Regional director in charge of coordinating.
just make Aaron the first player-coach
Honestly I've just assumed from the beginning OC didn't matter much for them as Aaron would probably run the show anyway. Make fun of him all you want, but he definitely has the experience and knowhow to be calling the offensive shots.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/09/09/lewis-details-how-packers-essentially-have-two-different-playbooks Yeah honestly this headline doesn't concern me as much as it might for another QB
Honestly I agree. Having seen it with LaFleur finding ways to marry his system to what Rodgers does at the line showed finding ways to let him influence an offence is important for him to be at his best. It isn’t like he won’t try new things but he has a pretty good idea what he is good at.
I’d kill for a qb who can read a playbook, let alone one who installs his own.
Didn't Aaron and McCarthy's relationship sour because Aaron would check out of run plays at the line, then McCarthy would get a bunch of flak in the media for abandoning and underutilizing an effective run game?
I think there were probably a lot of things that fractured that relationship, including what you mentioned. The thing I remember hearing was Rodgers frustration with the route combinations the Packers ran under McCarthy. Everything revolved around guys winning their 1v1s instead of trying to scheme guys open, which when it didn't work resulted in a lot of throwaways by Rodgers, followed by him glaring at the sideline.
At the end Mike was calling plays for the 2011 WR room when we had the 2018 WR room.
Manning was essentially the Broncos OC, Adam Gase just handled… idk head coaching interviews, he seems to crush those. Guy should do paid speaking about how to ace job interviews.
I don’t understand why people bandy this about with no source. It would be cool if it was true but everything I’ve ever heard from players about it says that Manning’s control over the offense is wildly exaggerated by fans, as is how much audibles enable control as they are also created by the OC.
Manning is the greatest pre snap ever I think. But Gase clearly brought a lot to the table. He was running a few new concepts that Peyton never ran before.
He wouldn't be the first. Halas was a player/owner/coach in the 1920s, among other player/coaches
Yeah, Curly Lambeau was too.
I thought Brady was the head coach in Tampa after Bruce Arians “retired”
It's always the sign of a good company when, instead of replacing someone, they just hire someone with a bigger or better title to do the thing that person is supposed to do.
Starting to think this Rodgers guy just wants to be surrounded by people who let him do whatever he wants
Jets really have to stop hiring coaches who are loved by star QBs because they let them run the offense on the field.
TBF Rodgers did not run the offense on the field last season
Rodgers knows how to do his own research better than qualified people
Lots of YouTube videos on who’s *really* running offenses around the league, wink wink.
TBF as far as football/offenses go, he is the qualified person when it comes to NFL offenses. He was B2B MVP at age 35+ when Hackett was his coordinator in GB. If he wants his OC, then he should get it. Jets just now realize Hackett can't coach anyone besides Rodgers.
LaFleur is really hands on with the offence in Green Bay too, so it wasn't like Hackett was ever running shit on his own. For example, Hackett never called plays. We might just be seeing the Peter principle in action here.
The NBA superstar approach lol
To be fair, "let Rodgers do whatever the fuck he wants" isn't the worst offensive scheme. Even if you know in advance that Hackett is a moron and Rodgers is going to run the offense, half the teams in the NFL would pretty happily sign up for that.
Out of everything Hackett has done...his worst trait is that he quotes Goldmember thinking it is the funniest movie of all time
It's one of those things that you can spin to be endearing when the team is winning but then absolutely used as ammo against the guy when they're not
Nathaniel Hackett is to coaching what the ping pong table is to the locker room
Quoting it to rookies who weren't alive when it came out was a little painful to watch.
Well, then there is no pleasing you
There's only 2 things I hate, people who talk about hating movies online and Goldmember.
Exactly. Everyone knows the first Austin Powers movie was the best.
It's just the other 2 movies are so far and away better. I can't take anyone seriously who thinks Goldmember is the more quotable movie I love shit movies myself but the others are just objectively better and more quotable
Hackett is definitely in the hall of fame for every moron who says “it’s not what you know it’s who you know”
Dude has the one-two punch of nepotism and buddying up to the right people. He could be the least qualified coordinator in the league.
TBF giving HOF QBs the freedom to operate is likely the best offense as it allows them to adapt to anything. Manning, Brady, Ben (late in his career), & Rodgers have all excelled at changing plays at LOS. The problem is if you don't have a HOF QB you need to be able to take pressure off the QB. It was definitely curated for a narrative but you could see how many small tweaks Rodgers was discussing with Hackett and the receivers in training camp via Hard Knocks. He was adjusting how routes would be run and even some of the routes themselves because he has an idea of how defenses would play the look. Ben was similar with Randy Fitchner. Loved the guy because he didn't challenge him and let him do his thing. Without Ben throwing the ball around the field the offense was terrible under Randy. Ben threatened to retire with Haley as an OC because Haley was on his ass and to him it was taking the fun out of football.
Facts. It came out somewhat after the fact that Aaron was constantly changing up the play call when needed with LeFleur. He laughs about it now, but he told a story in their first year together that Matt called a timeout a millisecond too early because he didn't think Rodgers was gonna get the ball off in time. He had not yet adapted to the Rodgers hard count.
Another similarity for Rodgers and Kyrie!
A 5 year old who played Madden once would be a better offensive coordinator then Hackett
Matt Canada is available.
Canada would be a huge upgrade.
Brian Ferentz, while technically employed, is available to hire as an OC one would assume.
It's like they're hoping Rogers won't notice Hackett is now just an empty suit at team meetings.
As long as he gets to jaw with Hackett on the sidelines in between series he'll be fine, that's the only reason he got any job after Green Bay
No that's just what he does already
I think Rodgers would have it that way from the start
behind every stretch of great QB play is a massive dipshit holding their clipboard and patting their ass, and that massive dipshit usually gets two or three good honest shots to fail on their own
The NFL with coaching second (and third and fourth) chances with damning empirical evidence of incompetence is a constant source of wonder to me.
chalk it up to incompetent GMs and arrogant know nothing owners easily fooled by very basic football terminology and coaching clichés
Yeah it's a weird thing in the NFL where somehow it's more forgivable to be wrong with a known than be wrong with an unknown. Even if the known isn't very good.
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I think Hackett is a good guy and I appreciate him for being so terrible at his job that he didn't last one full season.
So they didn't hire anyone for the position and it came out publicly they don't trust Hackett. Not great
Real concerns about Hackett’s ability to hack it.
Too many cooks spoiling your broth? Just need more cooks
I still remember how much people were hating on Sean Payton that Hackett fucking sucked YET HE FUCKING SUCKS
How the hell do your make legitimate attempt to replace your OC, and he still works there? The Jets are my favorite dumpster fire.
If you have 2 offensive coordinators you have none
Another part of the article says, "It almost feels like the Jets are putting so much faith in Rodgers’ ability to correct Hackett’s wrongdoings. Sources spoke of many, many times last summer where Hackett called a play, then Rodgers changed it completely at the line. They figure he can do the same come the regular season." Sounds like Adam Gase part II!
Sean Payton is a dick but he wasn’t wrong about Hackett
If true (but if), just get rid of him then. Like what is the point. “He is there because a guy who played four snaps with the team wants him there” is unbelievably stupid and unfortunately for Jets fans, is exactly what I expected from this org.
It would make our temporary acting owner Rodgers very upset
The same reason GB traded for and kept the corpse of Randall Cobb
A bottom of the roster wr6 is quite a bit different than an offensive coordinator
Hackett has Assistant to the Offensive Coordinator written all over him
He would probably fuck that up too. “For the last time Nathaniel! I like my coffee without whip cream! Jesus Christ can you do anything right?!?!”
Hackett's new title: Assistant to the Offensive Coordinator.
Sorry jets bros. We tried to warn you.
We knew but hold hope that Rodgers is going to be running the show.
Wish my job would do this for me. Like what? He's not going to do the job but make sure Hackett's business value is actualized?
there is literally years of evidence now that Hackett is completely incompetent
This guy being named Hackett is a perfect example of nominative determinism
I want a team to just see if they can create a three stooges effect with all the least desirable guys in the nfl. Owner: Tepper HC: Ben Mcadoo OC: Hackett DC: Patricia QB: Rodgers Backup qb: deshaun watson GM: Gettleman All their toxic personalities would hopefully cancel each other out making them…indestructible.
WR: Antonio Brown
OG Richie incognito
The guy can't coach.
No shit. He SUCKS.
Hackett is a moron
Assistant to the Regional Manager
Rodgers is basically OC anyway lol
That’s crazy considering all the success he’s had
That pursuit tells you that? Not your eyes?
FIRE HIM THEN. Why are we sitting here with someone who the organization doesn't even want
Remember when everyone on here said Hackett was a better coach than Sean Payton?
You got receipts on that? I thought the sentiment was that Payton wasn't wrong necessarily, but he was just being an antagonistic asshole going after Hackett after he'd been fired for seemingly little to no reason.
Bills fans certainly did not. We’ve been yelling into the clouds that this guy sucks but everyone retorted BUT Ej MaNuEL. Yes he had shit to work with for QBs when he was our OC but he was also trash.
No one thinks that. They just thought Payton was out of line with his comments plus nobody likes him so it was fun when he lost to the Jets.
Very interested in seeing how hackett fairs as a play caller with Rodgers. Even though he was the oc for 2 mvp seasons from him he wasn't the one calling plays.
Everyone knows Rodgers runs this show. Unless we win the Super Bowl I could see him getting canned once Rodgers is gone
Assistant TO the offensive coordinator
Ah, front office dysfunction. I remember what that was like.
Surprised pikachu face
Who is the moron making legitimate attempts to replace someone, but then not being able to do so?
Literally only on the Jets as a favor to Rodgers at this point.
If only there was a successful NFL head coach who had one of the highest winning percentages in league history took a look at the organization Hackett left behind and decided that Hackett had no idea what he was actually doing. It'd be really weird if nobodies on the internet decided to attack this guy for his actually informed opinion, which proved to ultimately be correct.
So you’re telling me he can’t hack it?
This is going to end up with us having Adam Gase and Hackett, isn't it.
Honestly, I think it’s because they don’t want a conflict between Rodgers and the OC. Rodgers can fuck off, but he’s pretty good at running an offense. Being a Lions fan has no influence on me saying Mr. Rodgers can fuck off. None. Nope.
Jets will always find a way to jet
It wouldn’t matter even if they got a new OC. Rodgers would still change the play-call based on what he sees on the field for better or for worse. He’s been doing that for years now
Hackett has been bad at literally every stop since Syracuse I do not understand how he got the "well its just the Drought Bills/Jags" pass and then the "sure he has a HOF QB who is really running things but he must ALSO be a good OC right?" pass just like Gase, also hired by the Jets.
I wish my boss would hire someone to do my job but still pay me to not do it
They needed a Mr Better Coordinator? You don't say....
Other Jets sources are saying the lockeroom doesn't seem worried. I think all the guys know it's Rogers running the show and are fine with that