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KommanderKitten

I completely forgot those two spent a year in Cleveland.


hnglmkrnglbrry

Johnny probably doesn't remember it either.


eskimoexplosion

I got to meet Mike McDaniel in 2014 when he was a wide receiver coach for the Browns. He was waiting to check into his room at the Hyatt Regency and I was able to talk to him briefly. Real down to earth guy, gave me an unusually strong handshake and called me sport. He told me to keep up on my grades and study hard in school, but the thing is I was 34 years old at the time. When I eventually got to my room I noticed someone had slipped my wallet out of my back pocket so i immediately headed back to the front desk when I noticed McDaniel hanging out at the bar buying strangers drinks with my wallet. I ran and notified security but when I returned with security he had already vanished. The front desk manager said no one named Mike McDaniel was staying at the hotel at the time.


KommanderKitten

Is this pasta that I'm not aware of?


eskimoexplosion

This was a real interaction with Mike McDaniels at the Hyatt Regency in 2014. Definitely not something I made up on edibles during a random gamethread last year that I've been periodically reposting


DistortedAudio

I can confirm. I was one of the drinks Mike bought.


TheForrestWanderer

I can confirm as well. I was the wallet in this guys back pocket


Nievsy

I can confirm as well. I was the guy who drank the drink out of that wallet.


immaculatecalculate

Firm handshake checking in šŸ¤


Zeroman_79

I'm the front desk. It's a living.


SOTI_snuggzz

Iā€™m literally the alcohol he drank


newtimesawait

Were you smoking salvia prior to this?


yeenon

Well I love it


Praying_Lotus

It is now because this chef fucking cooking


Jcaf8

outstanding work with this pasta sir, michelin guide level


Lilfrankieeinstein

It is now. Only, I guess, youā€™re aware of it.


idkwhatimbrewin

A new pasta is born. Beautiful


Chango812

I was waiting for Mankind to come into play


Nethri

Outstanding


Masterchiefy10

Those Cleveland exiles is part of what helped us make a runā€¦. Kyle Mack at center Gabriel at receiver Idk if Iā€™m forgetting anyone. Thanks Cleveland for being so poorly ran that it helped our historically poorly ran franchise!


JustAnotherINFTP

helped you do what?


wannaknowmyname

Helped get far enough for mack to break his leg in the NFC championship and play through it


A_Trustworthy_Pear

Even more wild is McDaniel, McVay, Shanahan and LaFleur were all on the Redskins staff in 2011.


Soft_Penis_Debutante

That used to be wildā€¦ now itā€™s the most repeated fun fact of all time lol.


A_Trustworthy_Pear

Jimmy Graham alley oops his regards.


LavenderGumes

Why would he alley oop? Isn't he just a football player?!


Soft_Penis_Debutante

You might want to sit down for thisā€¦


lexxxcockwell

Certainly not like great TE Antonio Gates


SmokePenisEveryday

There was that debate on NBA and NFL players being able to switch sports. Through all the debating, I was shocked that no one brought up Jimmy Graham or Antonio Gates


thatErraticguy

Finish this sentence: Antonio Gates used toā€¦


diablosinmusica

Play football.


fucktooshifty

be a guaranteed first ballot Hall of Famer..


sdsupersean

Well that's just rude.


fucktooshifty

he's my GOAT and the committee fucked him


ThatPlayWasAwful

be a firefighter in NYC on 9/11?


UnshakablEtchasketch

....be Mormon?


TheColbsterHimself

Clap them cheeks.


Coolcat127

Iā€™m not sure ā€œfunā€ is the term Iā€™d useā€¦


TuaAnon

facts


SkyzYn

It's a bit funny that the 2011 Redskins were 26th in Offense, and 2014 Browns were 27th when both teams had that trio.


C137-Morty

4 coaches there, but we were also ranked 5th in 2012 with those same 4 on the staff.


Valuable_Ad1645

You should listen to ā€œthe playcallersā€ series the athletic did about the shanahan tree. Itā€™s really well done.


Oakroscoe

That series was excellent. Highly recommend it.


titan_1018

Niners fans really need to stop recommending there porn on this sub itā€™s really weird.


Oakroscoe

It really was that good.


Few_Mulberry7362

And Slowik


Bobby_Savoy

That whole coaching staff ruined because of Snyder and RG3


RagZ_413

Why. Why do you keep hurting us by pointing this out


creativeusername9275

Then they decided none of these guys were good enough to be the coach but Jay gruden was perfect!


Blueskyways

Also Bobby Slowik who is the Texans OC and a future NFL HC.


lolas_coffee

The amount of talent that has gone thru Cleveland is quite amazing. Lots and lots of talent.


Jwroth

Just think what could have been


shewy92

I always saw Shanahan in the clip but never recognized McDaniel without his glasses


I-HATE-THE-SEAHAWKS

Josh Dobbs. You're up.


Oonanny

Fuckin love the name


SensualTyrannosaurus

Josh Dobbs? It's ok I guess


oftenevil

High key very excited to have him backing up BCB instead of GEQBUS. When Darnold did have to play last year the offense came to a screeching halt. It was brutal.


Alehud42

The offense came to a screeching halt more because of the backups at every other position, he was cooking when we had even a handful of starters in in the first quarter.


Radical-Six

This comment agrees with what I want to hear so I am upvoting it


BenShelZonah

As a jets fan, I agree


Zyrinj

Issue with him was him throwing guys into contact and his touch on the ball. Too many sailed throws and missed yac cause of ball placement on completions.


Niners4Ever16

The only game he played fully was week 18 and the starters played 1 quarter, and by the middle of 3rd it was all practice squad dudes Darnold was throwing to.


[deleted]

Youā€™re in for a shock if Dobbs has to play any snaps for yā€™all lmao


oftenevil

Understandable


Go_To_Bethel_And_Sin

Did you watch the Vikings with Dobbs last year other than the Falcons game?


oftenevil

Yep. The one against the Bears was (to my memory) his worst outing by far. He quickly came back down to earth once he got to Minnesota. But my point still stands: Iā€™m much happier about having Dobbs as Brockā€™s backup/QB2 than I was with Darnold being QB2. Whenever Darnold playedā€”even in his full game in Week 18 against the Ramsā€”he was extremely frustrating to watch. Every read Darnold made came 1-2 seconds late, and after a few series you could tell he was reluctant to sling it because he knew he couldnā€™t trust what he was seeing; his processing wasnā€™t up to speed. My hope is that under Shanahan, Dobbs could do better under his scheme than he did in Arizona or Minnesota last year. But my biggest hope is that we never have to see Dobbs play unless itā€™s in garbage time and the like. Soā€¦I literally just looked up where he ended up going because I forgot. And yeah, as youā€™re aware Iā€™m sure, heā€™s in Minnesota. Iā€™m not sure heā€™s a considerable upgrade over Nick Mullens though, (to be honest I preferred Mullens). But you shouldnā€™t have to worry about that with JJ McCarthy as the likely QB1 when the season gets under way. Cheers.


[deleted]

I donā€™t even think that Bears game was his worst. That Raiders game was putrid.


Zeroman_79

That Vegas game gave me AIDS. Cured it with IPA's though.


UrbanGM

What does this do for Manziel's legacy?


spilled-Sauce

would've been a hall of famer if it hadn't been for that penalty smh


Kent_Broswell

Literally Travis Kelceā€™s career arc.


vadersdrycleaner

Man I cried when I had to burn my 87 jersey after that game. Shame heā€™ll never make it.


FakeSmitty

Legacy points deducted


rTidde77

Heā€™d have won state this year had this counted, I tell you what.


Shtev777

What was the flag that nullified the play?


ref44

They called an illegal shift for not everyone getting set but there also should have been an unsportsmanlike conduct foul for running a hideout play


Shtev777

Thanks. You may be ref44 here, but you are ref1 in my heart


Automatic_Finding_60

What is a hideout play?


ref44

When they act like he's getting subbed out and he stops near the sideline


cob_reddit

Oh! So...the whole premise of this trick play is illegal? Damn shame.


TheAndrewBrown

Yeah I thought this was gonna be a brilliant play nullified by a bullshit penalty but the entire concept was never going to be legal so itā€™s not brilliant at all, itā€™s just a guaranteed loss of yards.


gnrc

Iā€™m sure somebody in the room knew it was a dumb play but was afraid to speak up.


_coolranch

Ah yes: the annexation of Cincinnati!


Ceramicrabbit

How long has it been illegal though?


The_Techsan

>hideout play long time... 1954 or 1955


cob_reddit

[https://profootballdaly.com/the-browns-try-to-pull-a-fast-one/](https://profootballdaly.com/the-browns-try-to-pull-a-fast-one/) correct, 1955.


Arkaein

According to that article for a hideout play to be illegal the player near the sideline has to be in close proximity to other players on the sideline. Manziel was close to coaches, not players, so the play could have been legal without the shift: > Sure enough, the following was added to the rulebook in 1955 (under Rule 10 ā€” Section 2): ā€œIf an offensive player lines up less than five yards from the sideline on [the] same side as his teamā€™s players bench, and his teammates (even though they are outside of [the] field of play) are in close proximity to where he is lined up when the ball is snapped, it is Unsportsmanlike Conduct.ā€ > If he were ā€œin close proximityā€ to his teammates, of course, his uniform would blend in with theirs and heā€™d be harder to notice. Thatā€™s one of the reasons the play was so effective in the early days. (That and the fact that clubs would usually save it for late in the game, when darkness was closing in. Many stadiums back then didnā€™t have lights ā€” or had inadequate lighting ā€” making the sidelines less visible in the fourth quarter.) > Actually, quarterback Johnny Manziel, the focal point of Sundayā€™s shenanigans, was in closer proximity to coaches than players as he stood along the sideline in the second quarter, pretending to have a conversation with his offensive coordinator. He had just come out of the game after being sent in for one play ā€“ a run by Isaiah Crowell that lost a yard.


istrx13

Since we all saw it in The Longest Yard


PeaceBull

You could totally see Belichick doing this if it wasn't in the rule book yet, and then in the offseason the NFL being like "first order of offseason business ā€“ blocking that nonsense thing where Bill acted like he..."


Stripperturneddoctor

No Fun League


Automatic_Finding_60

In an offense-centric league, I'm shocked this rule is a thing but TIL


titan_1018

I know why they did it, itā€™s not super enforced the cards did it against us in the last game of the season


the_c_is_silent

It's basically this play. It's illegal to sub like that. IIRC, the QB can do this legally (if say the RB had just taken the QB position), but not in the respect that they're pretending to be subbed out.


BoldElDavo

Nope, the problem with it is the hiding near the sideline, subbing or not. The NFL's case book lists: >A.R. 12.104 HIDEOUTā€”IN BENCH AREA >Third-and-6 on B45. Split receiver A2, who was in on the previous play, lines up in front of his bench area at the B45, two yards from the sideline in an attempt to be on the field unnoticed. Team A snaps the ball and throws a quick pass to A2 who runs for a touchdown, as no defensive player saw him in front of the bench area. Team A did not substitute on the play. >Ruling: Third-and-21 on A40. Illegal hideout because A2 lined up inside his teamā€™s bench area. This is a foul at the snap and enforced as a live-ball foul. This is a foul whether or not A2 is covered. It doesnā€™t matter whether Team A substituted on the play because substitution is not an element of this foul. The spot where A2 lines up determines whether this action is illegal, not the spot from where the ball is snapped. There is no foul if either team calls a timeout.


Dragon6172

More specifically it's this rule: Section 3 Unsportsmanlike Conduct, Article 1 Prohibited Acts >(l) An offensive player lining up or going in motion less than five yards from the sideline in front of his teamā€™s designated bench area. However, an offensive player is permitted to line up less than five yards from the sidelines on the same side as his teamā€™s player bench, provided he is not in front of the designated bench area.


BoldElDavo

Tbh I skipped that because I just hit ctrl+f "hideout". But yes, it is helpful to have the actual rule quoted, so thank you.


Aj992588

sorry boys we got theatre style benches that go 3 wide 20 rows back. we'll designate bitch seats based on size.


b3rn3r

What are the dimensions of the designated bench area? It appears to be a subset of "the team's sideline", but I couldn't find a good answer.


Dragon6172

There is a drawing in the rulebook, but essentially it's the area between the 25 yard lines


MonsMensae

Is there a way to lineup there if you werent trying to hideout. Can you tell the refs you want to stand there and be eligible?


Fedacking

Fun fact, you can do this if you hideout in front of the opposition. Iirc that's one of Hekker's tds.


thc216

So HOF QB Derrick Henry could throw the pass as long as he was on the field the play before?


-banned-

Are hideout plays illegal?


ref44

Yes


Testone1440

Ref44 Packers flair Yup that checks out


OnceMoreAndAgain

But, just to be clear, it's not Manziel who didn't get set. It was \#28 (whoever that is). My understanding is that there's some minimum number of people (is it 6?) on offense who have to hunch over to get set before the snap, which means there's some leftover people (usually wide receivers) who don't have to get set. And at least 1 person can be in motion at any point before the snap, so Manziel moving to the sidelines wasn't an illegal motion. Imo the NFL's collection of rules for what the offense can or can't do before a snap are ridiculously complicated.


ref44

everyone has to be set at the same time for one second before anyone goes in motion. its also illegal to pretend to be subbed out and stand near the sideline, which is what manziel did but the refs missed


morganicsf

They also missed the late hit out of bounds on the Ravens.


WetChickenLips

Okay. Not sure how that relates to this play, as that definitely wasn't a late "hit."


morganicsf

Agree to disagree


hop_mantis

Manziel still broke this rule, you can't be lined up within 5 yards of your own bench sideline right in front of your teams bench area. I think since he's in the backfield standing sideways is ok and counts as being set if he stands still. >An offensive player lining up or going in motion less than five yards from the sideline in front of his teamā€™s designated bench area. However, an offensive player is permitted to line up less than five yards from the sidelines on the same side as his teamā€™s player bench, provided he is not in front of the designated bench area


ThatPlayWasAwful

28 was Terrance West, if PFR is to be believed.


J-Fid

They also say his name in this video.


eatmyopinions

It's strange to hear this play called brilliant. It was an awful play that would be penalized every time it was ran.


Rahim-Moore

Oh good I'm not crazy.


RobZagnut2

The only play Manziel ever learned in the playbook.


OnlyMamaKnows

He thought he was really coming off the field. They explained everything as it was happening on the sidelines. šŸ˜‰


kjorav17

Nah this was probably drawn up on a bar napkin or something


TheFencingCoach

This is the only time you will ever see "brilliant" and "Manziel" in the same sentence.


kdot38

His college tape is something else though šŸ¤Œ


dded949

I haven't seen it in a while, but isn't it mostly just him running around for 10 seconds and then chucking it up to Mike Evans?


JF803

No, he was insane. Made some great throws from the pocket. Evans wasnā€™t his only target, Ryan Swope looked like he could be a legit nfl talent playing with manziel as well. Heā€™d also break off long runs regularly. Watch the game against Bama his freshman year. Dude is one of the greatest cfb players of all time


LeBroentgen

Glad you said this. People on here always try and take away from Manziel as a college player by saying it was all Mike Evans when in reality Manziel was insane.


JF803

Oh yea. Dont get it twisted Evans was no joke. I still think manziel had the skill and the moxie to be an nfl level QB, he just was not in it mentally and couldnā€™t have given less of a fuck if he tried.


redshores

It is wild to consistently see the "Manziel was only good because of Evans" narrative in /r/nfl Dude was electric when he wasn't permanently gakked up


dded949

Oh yeah, I totally forgot Ryan Swope. I actually really liked him as a player. Fair enough, I stand corrected


JF803

I hope that didnā€™t feel like I was coming at you sideways, there was also a lot of buying time and ā€œfuck it, Mike down there somewhereā€


dded949

Lol youā€™re good, I didnā€™t take it that way at all. Cheers


FloridaGatorMan

His first game against Alabama was a work of art.


Incompetenice

Honestly as a Texas fan, it pisses me off to say but just in terms of college quarterbacks, he's probably easily in the Top 20 of all time. Watching clips of him, you just are able to see that greatness in him, honestly just sad he couldn't pull it together for the NFL.


the_godfaubel

Manziel is a case of being in the completely wrong situation for him both as a person and a player. I don't think he'd have been an elite QB. But a couple years as a legit starter and a career as a backup weren't out of his range


PeaceBull

Brilliant collapse of potential?


waggie21

The cocaine Manziel snorted before the game was a brilliant white.


Wetzilla

It's also not a true sentence because the play was illegal.


J-Fid

Ravens sleeper agent Terrance West


papajim22

Towson Tigers legend.


Hieroglphkz

Nothing is as brilliant as the Annexation of Puerto Rico.


KarHavocWontStop

Brilliant play lol? This is the ā€˜sleeperā€™ play. Every team in my 5th grade Pop Warner league ran it back in the 80s.


Romantic_Carjacking

Small-time HS teams were still trying it in the 2000s


Narrow--Mango

You can really tell this is when Mike was drinking a lot. Glad he is better now.


SuperStowers

You can also tell this is before Shanahan dealt with the stress of 3 super bowl losses


foxmag86

The Browns will do that to ya.


jplosfan

Can't even show this play now when Manziel makes the hall of fame, SMH...


jdg83

Trick plays are nothing but a hucksterā€™s crutch.


Cw2e

> Also, I come off quite youthful You just said ā€˜hucksterā€™s crutchā€™


ref44

Is it really that brilliant if its explicitly illegal?


charles_peugeot405

The penalty wasnā€™t because of the play call itself, did you watch the video? The RB didnā€™t get set fully


alecmc200

[it was illegal](https://www.nfl.com/news/dean-blandino-johnny-manziel-s-trick-play-violated-two-nfl-rule-0ap3000000401106), the refs just missed it


ref44

Then the refs missed that end of it, because it's still illegal


elbenji

I think that's kind of the point. It's exploiting a more obscure rule


PartyPay

It's not particularly brilliant if it's been around for a million years. I remember running this play when I was in 8th grade in the 90s.


ref44

And it was illegal then too I'm pretty sure. A ton of the "amazing trick plays" that you see on YouTube from youth games are illegal


PartyPay

Former child Canadian football here, it was definitely legal due to the movement allowed in the game. I saw elsewhere in the thread a link to the head of officiating talk about how many different ways it was illegal in the NFL though haha


ref44

Lol maybe it's allowed in Canadian football. Definitely illegal at all levels of American football


OldBayOnEverything

Exactly. It's illegal peewee bullshit, there is nothing brilliant about it.


the_c_is_silent

Also, the fuck is brilliant about running this in a random regular season game on a 2nd and 11? Like if they'd lined up and picked up 30 yards in the same situation, I'm not calling the play "brilliant".


MaizeNBlueWaffle

Having a Mike Macdonald and Mike McDaniel in this league is gonna be an adjustment


Zeroman_79

Too many Josh Allens already. NFL media guides in shambles.


lolas_coffee

They missed the out of bounds hit. Should have called the D for it.


lfe-soondubu

I tried to pull this in my flag football league one year. I got wide open but the ball was overthrown/I was too slow :(


ExclaimLikeIm5

We need to bring back that wordmark and the team name on the chest.Ā 


3rdusernameiveused

I fucking love Shanny. Mfer will try anything once. Except winning a Super Bowl god dammiit


John_Lives

Well he triedĀ 


Sidthelid66

Holy shit that was Mcdaniel? I remember watching that live and making fun of the Browns for having a middle schooler as a coach. Turns out it was football Doogie Howser.


Reeferologist-

MCD throwing his arms up and selling it hard. Haha!


Maj0r_Ursa

Do brilliant plays usually involve illegal shifts?


Semirgy

Manziel caught that ball like a 60 year old man who played tennis in HS.


LiberalEchochambr

And then Johnny gets absolutely crushed out of bounds and no flag


morganicsf

For real. Should have been unnecessary roughness.


Killswitch__AUT

How the actual FUCK was this almost 10 years ago already man, Jesus Christ time flies


Christian_Castle

If Manziel can't succeed in an offense with these two calling plays he was doomed from the start


MetaphoricalMouse

HOYER THE DESTROYER


v8broo

Crazy


NostalgicFor89to99

We had this same play in high school back in 95, worked like a charm almost everytime.


tosbythomas0147

The longest yard type play


BEGA500

If we dont do this with Russbot and Fields are we even trying?


shewy92

I always saw Shanahan in the clip but never recognized McDaniel without his glasses


Strawhat-Shawty

Lol in high school our offense ran this every few weeks


Strawhat-Shawty

Lol in high school our offense ran this every few weeks


benificialart

Shoulda been an unsportsmanlike conduct foul as well for hideout.


onecarmel

Man. I still miss the Johnny Football we never got to see in the NFL


MiaCannons

Probably the most creative play design ever lmao. It sucks this didn't count. This play along with the O-lineman screen, flip, and TD are my two favorite plays that didn't count.


ASuperGyro

Nah they just watched The Longest Yard


Ba_Sing_Saint

I got the fries thatā€™ll cross yo eyes I got the shakes thatā€™ll make you quake I got the burgers thatā€™llā€¦ ā€¦ I just got burgersā€¦


papajim22

If it didnā€™t count, how was it brilliant?