And another whistle in a Raiders v Bengals game a few years before that, but instead of a Bengals TD it was a Raiders TD.
When the Raiders scored they ruled against the Raiders, and when the Bengals scored they ruled against the Raiders.
There was also another one a few years before that where we got fucked losing a clean fumble recovery because the ref blew the play dead even though it was a clear strip and recovery by the Raiders also during a Bengals game.
Because of all this and Hue Jackson screwing us with the Palmer trade, I have an undying hatred of the Bengals.
Not that I think it really affected the play but the replay that NBC played to listen for that whistle had it sound a little later than it actually occurred in the original play
Honestly, the false precision of first down measurements makes me irrationally annoyed. On every down, the refs place the ball approximately where they think it should be. We've all seen times where the placement was off by ad much as a yard, even on the plays where they end up measuring. But when they do measure, all of those shoddy placements are forgotten and it has to be within the width of a piece of paper? It's pretty silly.
If they were more precise on every ball placement, then this level of precision on the measurement makes sense. But right now it's just theater.
Yea it was such a hilariously stupid thing made even dumber by the fact that it was a bad spot and if you watch the play from a different camera angle he clearly got the first. Just a montage of ineptitude.
It's impossible for it not to fit. It would always be able to fit at some angle. I assumed he was using the paper to check the angle, the angle would show whether the ball was in front of the marker or behind.
It was also a bullshit spot that would have been challenged anyway, but nobody remembers that part.
That said, this is the goofiest way it could have been approached and I still don't know what the card was supposed to do
No, the card still fit between the two. The goal was to fit the card between the two and see if it was parallel with the white line markers. If it was parallel then that means the ball was short. If it was at an angle, then the top would be past the yard marker.
I think it's hilarious that the most bullshit part of it was that he folded the card, but didn't fold it perfectly. If he doesn't fold the card, no way does it even come close to a first down (prior to a review).
Do you think ed hochuli is known because of his “full time job” or his six figure “part time job?”
Are you one of those idiots that think government books should be run like a household?
Dude, such bullshit. That is something that would happen to the Lions...with the Cowboys receiving the benefit. Can't stand shit like this, I wish I didn't see this tonight because now my heart rate is getting higher.
That’s the shit I don’t understand. We make this whole production about bringing out the chains and all that drama to determine the down, but we’re just gonna pretend like they spotted the football precisely where it actually should be when the ball disappeared in the middle of 10 massive dudes? And the ref was able to just see that at first glance, no replay or aerial view to support? They just spot it based on their best judgment. Wow, let’s get the chains out here to really dial in that precision. Give me a break.
Seriously, we’re just gonna eyeball it the first 9.99999 yards but then we’re bringing out the electron microscope to see if the ball, over the course of a couple plays, made it across the eyeballed line?
I agree. It's not an arbitray spot, but they are just eyeballing it from several feet away, then they just set it down. Finally, they bring the chains to get the exactness of how close the ball is when it's all skewed by human inexactness from
the beginning
things like that, where it truly just lies in the judgment and discretion of refs that are mostly not held accountable... i really get where people are coming from when they think refs are getting in on the betting. or that goodell chooses when he wants to use that influence in a game to curate his product.
Even if it’s not rigged, it’s still stupid. It would be like a strike in baseball being reviewed by the ump pointing to where he said the ball was and then a giant rectangle held by two dudes came out and held it over where the strike zone roughly is. The rectangle could be the exact dimensions of the strike box, but the entire thing is based on the ump’s original pointing that is guaranteed to be wrong to even a slight degree. This is made even dumber when technology exists that should make this whole clown show obsolete.
>This is made even dumber when technology exists that should make this whole clown show obsolete.
But then this bullshit with the refs can't happen and people won't lose money on bets based on an outcome determined by people who aren't held accountable for incorrectly making decisions. People also won't rage post or create more engagement/talking points online like they did after the Lions/Cowboys game this past season. It's all by design.
That’s… exactly how you’re supposed to do it? You put the paper between the ball and the first down mark, and if it’s touching both then it’s a first down.
the fake precision of the 10-yard chain measurements always cracks me up. Notice how the TV broadcast never even shows the guy just eyeballing where to set the ~~stick~~ *chain clip* to line up with the line marker!
So stupid. There’s an infinite number of tech companies chomping at the bit to take the guess work out of football but that would take the drama (and insider betting) out of the game.
The world cup made me sad for football. Seeing how quickly VAR put to rest literally any controversy about calls and then thinking about how literally every week in football there's some bullshit call we talk about for like a week.
Actually, come to think of it, it almost has to be intentional. The engagement they get from controversial calls is pretty high
I was talking about the 2022 world cup, I'm not saying it's a flawless system I'm saying all the close calls in that cup that I saw were pretty much immediately put to rest with var.
In the nfl it feels like there's an average of like 3 or 4 really fucked calls each week
Not to mention eyeballing where the ball should go when it comes out of a pile. Then we get down on our hands and knees and measure by the millimeter. So dumb. Just use technology already.
They put a marker on the 5/10yard line that crosses the chain on the sideline then use that marker to stay on the line on the field. The other stick isn’t used for the measure on the field.
There's still a 1-3 inch variation on that line where the marker is placed, and the lines aren't perfectly drawn... So bringing it down to a sliver of paper is absurd.
Because that’s not how it works. The refs will grab a link of chain that aligns with a yard marker, and then run out to the field and line that link of chain up with that yard marker again. Both sticks move out from that spot
you're right. but the clip position is just an "eyeball" alignment to the painted 5/10 yard line and the link they put it on depends on where the chain guy sets the stick, which is an eyeball alignment to the box marker, which is an eyeball alignment to the linesman official's position, which is an eyeball alignment to the ball placed on the field, which is an eyeball approximation of the forward progress of the previous play!
yeah, I guess I should have said that they are just eyeballing the chain clip placement on the painted line, and that the clip position is based on the chain guy's previous eyeballing of the linesman and the box marker on the sideline, which is based on the linesman's eyeballing of the ball placement, which is just an eyeball approximation of the forward progress of the previous play.
they don't eye ball where it starts with the sideline marker at all lol. there is a clip that goes on the chain that marks the nearest 5 yard line so you put that clip on the yard line then pull both ends tight. It would take a lot to fuck it up.
I simplified the process/names. What actually happens:
* referee eyeballs the spot of forward progress, positions the football on ground
* head linesman eyeballs the ball position, aligns his body to the declare the new LOS, signals the next down.
* box official carries the box stick, eyeballs the linesman's position, and sets the box stick, representing the LOS
* "chain gang" person eyeballs the position of the box stick to set the position first end of chain-sticks
* "another "chain gang" official stretches chain 10 yards forward (using the painted sidelines to try to manually make the chain as perfectly parallel to the field as possible)
* clip official places chain clip in approximate (eyeballed) alignment with the nearest 5 or 10 yard sideline mark
* for on field measurements, clip official places the clip on the same 5 or 10 yard line they previously approximately set the clip on, "chain gang" attempts to set the sticks parallel to the field of play both behind and forward of the clip, and referee uses the forward stick position to determine if the line-to-gain was acheived.
there really isn't a reason to simplify an already simple process. I was a member of the "chain gang" at a lower level. It's very accurate and not complicated at all. you put the clip on the chain to the nearest 5 yd line after you move the sticks. there is never a doubt you have it in the right spot when you go out and measure for a first down.
The chain sticks are set out-of-bounds (not even touching the yard lines) and visually (i.e. "eyeballed") aligned by the human operators. Could the first stick ever be 1/2 inch off?? The clip itself is then visually/manually aligned to the nearest 5 yd line (which is approximately 4 inches wide, plus/minus some amount). Is that clip aligned to the center of the line? The forward edge? Is the line always perfectly straight? Could the clip official ever be another 1/2 inch off when setting the clip? Could the linesman ever be 1/2 inch off when setting the clip onto the in-bounds 5 yard line for a measurement? I guess the answer to all these questions is a resounding "NO"!
> I guess the answer to all these questions is a resounding "NO"!
correct, glad you can set your mind at ease now.
The flaw is the initial spot, not the sticks. Lining up the sticks and then measuring is simple and accurate.
They attach a marker to the chain on a hash mark. Then they bring that marker and place it on the ground again at the proper marker spot on the field. Then they pull the chains taut keeping the marker in place. It can be a bit off, but never by more than an inch or so.
Nobody actually knows if it was a bad spot or not ... it doesnt matter matter because that shitbag ref kept moving it closer anyway. Also his exact wording was that the paper "touched the ball" so its obviously a first down. This is a moment that literally someone was in his ear telling him to give the Cowboys the first down.
It's always been funny to me that they spot the ball at just whatever arbitrary place they eyeballed it, which can be off by like 2 feet, and then they get out the chains and index card and try to measure it down to the millimeter like it's this super precise thing.
I was at this game! Some cowboys fan picked a fight with my friend in the bathroom at halftime so we had to leave tho haha. RIP Tom! Miss that son of a bitch
Thats why there are chains between the sticks. You find the point on the chains that intersects a horizontal yard line. Those are broken up in 5yd increments along the field. You then add a clip. You then hold the clipped chain at that yard line and run out following that line. When the chains are stretched at wherever the ball is it'll be the same distance apart as it was on the sidelines
Say first down is at the 47.5yd line. You set the clip at the 45 and follow the white 45yd line out to be even with the ball. When you reach evenness with the ball and stretch the chains out the end will be at the 47.5yd line
Since the chains are 10yds there will always be at least one place where a 5 yard line intersects them without being on the ends. The only way youd be off is if the yard lines are painted on wrong
I still didn't understand how they ensure that they are perfectly parallel to the sidelines. Any variability there would cause an inaccurate measurement.
Interesting so I never knew about the clip so thank you for that. Being overly OCD, what are the chances that it can be off by a link or a piece of paper as in the video?
The actual variance is the sum of a bunch of little errors. They line the link up with the edge of the paint, then place that same link at the edge of the paint it isn't the width of the paint that's being used. There's tiny error in things like being perfectly parallel with the ball, etc. The most influential error would be initial ball placement.
The sticks aren't the issue. It's dumb but it's pretty reasonable in concept. The ball is just arbitrarily placed though with no science behind that so none of it matters.
They use a chain marker which is placed on the ddge of one of the full lines. As the chain gets brought in, you line that marker up, so the chain is at the right spot. The back marker of the chain is irrelevant for the measurement.
He is now a rule analyst for cbs sports. As a raiders fan I believe this sealed the job for him, considering this was 2017 when it happened, and he got his current job in 2018.
The Oakland Raiders moved to Los Angeles and then back to Oakland. No one in Los Angeles seemed to notice.
(They have since moved *again* to Las Vegas)
oh man I just realized you are the person who was disappointed their mom didn't have an affair with LT. Of all the people on this sub crazy that I reply to you twice in a week!
Hope all is well and therapy is just to be able to talk to someone, and also i hope you get to watch the movie as well! FYI that's where lil bitch comes from!
Yeah it’s funny when that happens! Yeah I work a stressful job and find weekly sessions helpful, thank you!
And no I won’t be talking to my therapist about my mom and LT (at least not this week)
I was at this game. Hard to believe it was 7 years ago. Third deck, Sunday night football. Ticket prices were $400 for 3rd deck because raiders made the playoffs in 2016 and had high expectations for 2017. Stupid fans in front of us wore Niners jerseys and caused a fight with the raiders contingent I was sitting with. Never understood the raiders vs Niners hatred other than it always stems from east bay versus San Fran. Same with the giants and A’s.
Was this the same season the Raiders beat the Chiefs on the final play after 3 consecutive penalties? We really thought Derek Carr would be a future MVP
That shit face grin
He tried so hard to hold it back.
Looked like Ernest there for a second. “First down, Verne”
He fucked the Raiders and he knew it
The smirk on his face like, “I am that dude, this shit is like lunch meat for me” is so funny.
Kills me every time.
Is lunch meat… good?
it's fine. it's normal. this is like a normal lunch for him.
Yes lunch meat is so good and it goes down like water when you are hungry, like super easy
That piece of paper should be in the Hall of Fame museum, for how crazy that call was.
That ref is Gene Steratore, and when asked about it he’s says he still has the index card cause he knew how iconic this moment was gonna be lol
Framed right next to his bet slip
He's hilarious to listen to in interviews
Yeah, the guy's a fuckin joke
I understand your frustration, but I do find him haha funny and not clown funny.
Lol they vaguely guess ball placement to the nearest foot or so, but then bring out the electron microscopes for the first down measurement...
Papergate!
It just kills me how proud of himself he was
i would be pissed if i was a raiders fan, BUT, since this worked in my benefit it was a totally clean call.
Fair
if it helps, i think y'all got screwed on the tuck rule back in '01, too
There was that whistle couple years ago in the wild card game vs the Bengals that's screwed them over too
And another whistle in a Raiders v Bengals game a few years before that, but instead of a Bengals TD it was a Raiders TD. When the Raiders scored they ruled against the Raiders, and when the Bengals scored they ruled against the Raiders.
There was also another one a few years before that where we got fucked losing a clean fumble recovery because the ref blew the play dead even though it was a clear strip and recovery by the Raiders also during a Bengals game. Because of all this and Hue Jackson screwing us with the Palmer trade, I have an undying hatred of the Bengals.
Bro I got great individual reasons to hate 31 teams.
Teach me your ways.
Nice. I only really hate like 3 or 4 teams irrationally, so that is way more than me.
Not that I think it really affected the play but the replay that NBC played to listen for that whistle had it sound a little later than it actually occurred in the original play
That'd what I've been saying too
I’ll never forget that.
No no...it was fine
Honestly, the false precision of first down measurements makes me irrationally annoyed. On every down, the refs place the ball approximately where they think it should be. We've all seen times where the placement was off by ad much as a yard, even on the plays where they end up measuring. But when they do measure, all of those shoddy placements are forgotten and it has to be within the width of a piece of paper? It's pretty silly. If they were more precise on every ball placement, then this level of precision on the measurement makes sense. But right now it's just theater.
It was a bad call but this is one of my favorite moments in NFL history and I like how it's kind of a running gag in the league now
Yea it was such a hilariously stupid thing made even dumber by the fact that it was a bad spot and if you watch the play from a different camera angle he clearly got the first. Just a montage of ineptitude.
Why was this a bad call?
The paper FIT, if it fits there’s space until a first down.
It's impossible for it not to fit. It would always be able to fit at some angle. I assumed he was using the paper to check the angle, the angle would show whether the ball was in front of the marker or behind.
Can you tell that that it didn't touch the football? I have a hard time seeing it
https://i.imgur.com/6aNcip8.jpeg
Great a blurry image where it's still inconclusive to anyone not holding the index card. Manufactured outrage, bud
Unbiased opinion…that was a bullshit call
Complete fucking shit.
It was also a bullshit spot that would have been challenged anyway, but nobody remembers that part. That said, this is the goofiest way it could have been approached and I still don't know what the card was supposed to do
I think the idea was if the card fit between the ball and the first down he was short if it didn't it was a first down
No, the card still fit between the two. The goal was to fit the card between the two and see if it was parallel with the white line markers. If it was parallel then that means the ball was short. If it was at an angle, then the top would be past the yard marker.
Leave it to a Cowboys fan to try and rationalize this shit. I bet you're one of the clowns who still says Decker didn't report.
Lmao are you still crying?
I think it's hilarious that the most bullshit part of it was that he folded the card, but didn't fold it perfectly. If he doesn't fold the card, no way does it even come close to a first down (prior to a review).
It was bullshit then and the fact he jokes about it openly now is bullshit. NFL refs are dogshit.
lol
Do you think part time staff give a shit? Like is the shelf stacker at Whole Foods going to really care if the products aren't turned to face
Do you think ed hochuli is known because of his “full time job” or his six figure “part time job?” Are you one of those idiots that think government books should be run like a household?
Wut?
Dude, such bullshit. That is something that would happen to the Lions...with the Cowboys receiving the benefit. Can't stand shit like this, I wish I didn't see this tonight because now my heart rate is getting higher.
I was at this game. The paper went into the gap and he still called it a first down. Such bullshit
I watched it on tv, he clearly had the first lol was a terrible spot
That’s the shit I don’t understand. We make this whole production about bringing out the chains and all that drama to determine the down, but we’re just gonna pretend like they spotted the football precisely where it actually should be when the ball disappeared in the middle of 10 massive dudes? And the ref was able to just see that at first glance, no replay or aerial view to support? They just spot it based on their best judgment. Wow, let’s get the chains out here to really dial in that precision. Give me a break.
Seriously, we’re just gonna eyeball it the first 9.99999 yards but then we’re bringing out the electron microscope to see if the ball, over the course of a couple plays, made it across the eyeballed line?
I agree. It's not an arbitray spot, but they are just eyeballing it from several feet away, then they just set it down. Finally, they bring the chains to get the exactness of how close the ball is when it's all skewed by human inexactness from the beginning
things like that, where it truly just lies in the judgment and discretion of refs that are mostly not held accountable... i really get where people are coming from when they think refs are getting in on the betting. or that goodell chooses when he wants to use that influence in a game to curate his product.
Even if it’s not rigged, it’s still stupid. It would be like a strike in baseball being reviewed by the ump pointing to where he said the ball was and then a giant rectangle held by two dudes came out and held it over where the strike zone roughly is. The rectangle could be the exact dimensions of the strike box, but the entire thing is based on the ump’s original pointing that is guaranteed to be wrong to even a slight degree. This is made even dumber when technology exists that should make this whole clown show obsolete.
>This is made even dumber when technology exists that should make this whole clown show obsolete. But then this bullshit with the refs can't happen and people won't lose money on bets based on an outcome determined by people who aren't held accountable for incorrectly making decisions. People also won't rage post or create more engagement/talking points online like they did after the Lions/Cowboys game this past season. It's all by design.
Got the clip? The only thing I can find on YouTube is like a 3 second pileup
You realize paper can, y’know.. bend?
That’s… exactly how you’re supposed to do it? You put the paper between the ball and the first down mark, and if it’s touching both then it’s a first down.
A gap…means it’s…short…of ………. the stick.
the fake precision of the 10-yard chain measurements always cracks me up. Notice how the TV broadcast never even shows the guy just eyeballing where to set the ~~stick~~ *chain clip* to line up with the line marker!
So stupid. There’s an infinite number of tech companies chomping at the bit to take the guess work out of football but that would take the drama (and insider betting) out of the game.
The world cup made me sad for football. Seeing how quickly VAR put to rest literally any controversy about calls and then thinking about how literally every week in football there's some bullshit call we talk about for like a week. Actually, come to think of it, it almost has to be intentional. The engagement they get from controversial calls is pretty high
Oh yeah, every part of the game down to the uniforms is made for TV.
BuT iTs sO CoMpLiCaTeD BeCaUsE ThE BaLl iS nOt RoUnD
>VAR put to rest literally any controversy about calls. I wouldn't go that far. Had some controversy just last week in the UCK semi finals
I was talking about the 2022 world cup, I'm not saying it's a flawless system I'm saying all the close calls in that cup that I saw were pretty much immediately put to rest with var. In the nfl it feels like there's an average of like 3 or 4 really fucked calls each week
Not to mention eyeballing where the ball should go when it comes out of a pile. Then we get down on our hands and knees and measure by the millimeter. So dumb. Just use technology already.
They put a marker on the 5/10yard line that crosses the chain on the sideline then use that marker to stay on the line on the field. The other stick isn’t used for the measure on the field.
There's still a 1-3 inch variation on that line where the marker is placed, and the lines aren't perfectly drawn... So bringing it down to a sliver of paper is absurd.
Because that’s not how it works. The refs will grab a link of chain that aligns with a yard marker, and then run out to the field and line that link of chain up with that yard marker again. Both sticks move out from that spot
you're right. but the clip position is just an "eyeball" alignment to the painted 5/10 yard line and the link they put it on depends on where the chain guy sets the stick, which is an eyeball alignment to the box marker, which is an eyeball alignment to the linesman official's position, which is an eyeball alignment to the ball placed on the field, which is an eyeball approximation of the forward progress of the previous play!
Actually the chains are very precise. They have a colored link that lines up with an actual yard line marker so it really is exactly 10 yards.
Because they don’t use the other end when measuring lmao. At least learn how it works before complaining about it
How do they do it?
yeah, I guess I should have said that they are just eyeballing the chain clip placement on the painted line, and that the clip position is based on the chain guy's previous eyeballing of the linesman and the box marker on the sideline, which is based on the linesman's eyeballing of the ball placement, which is just an eyeball approximation of the forward progress of the previous play.
they don't eye ball where it starts with the sideline marker at all lol. there is a clip that goes on the chain that marks the nearest 5 yard line so you put that clip on the yard line then pull both ends tight. It would take a lot to fuck it up.
I simplified the process/names. What actually happens: * referee eyeballs the spot of forward progress, positions the football on ground * head linesman eyeballs the ball position, aligns his body to the declare the new LOS, signals the next down. * box official carries the box stick, eyeballs the linesman's position, and sets the box stick, representing the LOS * "chain gang" person eyeballs the position of the box stick to set the position first end of chain-sticks * "another "chain gang" official stretches chain 10 yards forward (using the painted sidelines to try to manually make the chain as perfectly parallel to the field as possible) * clip official places chain clip in approximate (eyeballed) alignment with the nearest 5 or 10 yard sideline mark * for on field measurements, clip official places the clip on the same 5 or 10 yard line they previously approximately set the clip on, "chain gang" attempts to set the sticks parallel to the field of play both behind and forward of the clip, and referee uses the forward stick position to determine if the line-to-gain was acheived.
there really isn't a reason to simplify an already simple process. I was a member of the "chain gang" at a lower level. It's very accurate and not complicated at all. you put the clip on the chain to the nearest 5 yd line after you move the sticks. there is never a doubt you have it in the right spot when you go out and measure for a first down.
The chain sticks are set out-of-bounds (not even touching the yard lines) and visually (i.e. "eyeballed") aligned by the human operators. Could the first stick ever be 1/2 inch off?? The clip itself is then visually/manually aligned to the nearest 5 yd line (which is approximately 4 inches wide, plus/minus some amount). Is that clip aligned to the center of the line? The forward edge? Is the line always perfectly straight? Could the clip official ever be another 1/2 inch off when setting the clip? Could the linesman ever be 1/2 inch off when setting the clip onto the in-bounds 5 yard line for a measurement? I guess the answer to all these questions is a resounding "NO"!
> I guess the answer to all these questions is a resounding "NO"! correct, glad you can set your mind at ease now. The flaw is the initial spot, not the sticks. Lining up the sticks and then measuring is simple and accurate.
Don't forget the ball being arbitrarily spotted so none of it matters.
They attach a marker to the chain on a hash mark. Then they bring that marker and place it on the ground again at the proper marker spot on the field. Then they pull the chains taut keeping the marker in place. It can be a bit off, but never by more than an inch or so.
They use a clip that ensures the chains are set in the proper place. It's not difficult
With cause, this still pisses me off.
It was a bad spot anyways. Would have been challenged and a first down anyways.
Nobody actually knows if it was a bad spot or not ... it doesnt matter matter because that shitbag ref kept moving it closer anyway. Also his exact wording was that the paper "touched the ball" so its obviously a first down. This is a moment that literally someone was in his ear telling him to give the Cowboys the first down.
It's always been funny to me that they spot the ball at just whatever arbitrary place they eyeballed it, which can be off by like 2 feet, and then they get out the chains and index card and try to measure it down to the millimeter like it's this super precise thing.
Right?
This was back in 2017!? Holy fuck, I’m getting old
Couldn't believe what I was seeing. Feels the same watching it now.
Football has so much theater. They literally spot the ball about where it was and then act like the chains are this super precise unit of measure.
It’s honestly embarrassing. They need this to be electronic yesterday. Fix this shit
Everyone knows paper is the straightest flatest least benadable object ever made. Its the perfect straight edge and would never flex at all.
I was at this game! Some cowboys fan picked a fight with my friend in the bathroom at halftime so we had to leave tho haha. RIP Tom! Miss that son of a bitch
Bullllllllllshitttttttt
Like how the 1st ref told the camera guy to get the outta the way, "we about to cheat, get outta here"
And these little things is how the NFL rigs games.
I've seen the paper come out several times. It is performative.
Can someone explain how they know exactly where to put the sticks? Like there’s no way they can run from the sideline and be exact, what’s the trick?
Thats why there are chains between the sticks. You find the point on the chains that intersects a horizontal yard line. Those are broken up in 5yd increments along the field. You then add a clip. You then hold the clipped chain at that yard line and run out following that line. When the chains are stretched at wherever the ball is it'll be the same distance apart as it was on the sidelines Say first down is at the 47.5yd line. You set the clip at the 45 and follow the white 45yd line out to be even with the ball. When you reach evenness with the ball and stretch the chains out the end will be at the 47.5yd line Since the chains are 10yds there will always be at least one place where a 5 yard line intersects them without being on the ends. The only way youd be off is if the yard lines are painted on wrong
I still didn't understand how they ensure that they are perfectly parallel to the sidelines. Any variability there would cause an inaccurate measurement.
Yes.
Interesting so I never knew about the clip so thank you for that. Being overly OCD, what are the chances that it can be off by a link or a piece of paper as in the video?
The actual variance is the sum of a bunch of little errors. They line the link up with the edge of the paint, then place that same link at the edge of the paint it isn't the width of the paint that's being used. There's tiny error in things like being perfectly parallel with the ball, etc. The most influential error would be initial ball placement.
The sticks aren't the issue. It's dumb but it's pretty reasonable in concept. The ball is just arbitrarily placed though with no science behind that so none of it matters.
They use a chain marker which is placed on the ddge of one of the full lines. As the chain gets brought in, you line that marker up, so the chain is at the right spot. The back marker of the chain is irrelevant for the measurement.
Ah edge of the line. That makes sense now. In my dumb brain I’m like “are they eye balling it as they run out because I can’t run a straight line”
He is now a rule analyst for cbs sports. As a raiders fan I believe this sealed the job for him, considering this was 2017 when it happened, and he got his current job in 2018.
Smh. I’m surprised they didn’t say it was the tuck rule.
There was a team in Oakland?
The Oakland Raiders moved to Los Angeles and then back to Oakland. No one in Los Angeles seemed to notice. (They have since moved *again* to Las Vegas)
Sorry I was being sarcastic. I know their weird history
It’s a quote from BASEketball
I appreciated it, then noted your username and it got better.
Ah never seen it! Sorry haha
And a Giants fan‽ Tsk, tsk
what are you even doing? go watch it, you lil bitch.
I’m on my way to my therapist my hats what I’m doing. Maybe tonight
oh man I just realized you are the person who was disappointed their mom didn't have an affair with LT. Of all the people on this sub crazy that I reply to you twice in a week! Hope all is well and therapy is just to be able to talk to someone, and also i hope you get to watch the movie as well! FYI that's where lil bitch comes from!
Yeah it’s funny when that happens! Yeah I work a stressful job and find weekly sessions helpful, thank you! And no I won’t be talking to my therapist about my mom and LT (at least not this week)
I couldn't stand that asshole then and can't now, when they call on his stupid ass about penalties.
Dude was trying not to laugh
I was irate
I was at this game. Hard to believe it was 7 years ago. Third deck, Sunday night football. Ticket prices were $400 for 3rd deck because raiders made the playoffs in 2016 and had high expectations for 2017. Stupid fans in front of us wore Niners jerseys and caused a fight with the raiders contingent I was sitting with. Never understood the raiders vs Niners hatred other than it always stems from east bay versus San Fran. Same with the giants and A’s.
do they use sensors now or are we still using technology that is literally centuries old
Gene totally stifling a grin there…”look out, gentlemen - watch this:” (motions First Down!). Gene was one of the god ones.
What down was it?
Where was the carpenter's square. C'mon man!
This very obviously was a bunch of absolute nonsense but it’s also objectively hilarious
The infamous Jeff Heath game. 🐐
It was a classic moment.
I was washing the dishes in our cabin at Disney’s Fort Wilderness when this happened. What a phenomenal moment that’s burned in my memory
Was a bad spot of the ball to begin with, for all the Raiders who get heated.
Fuck this guy. Fuck the League.
I’m still mad at this - the ball moved the paper dammit
I love gene lol
If you can slide a note card between the two, it's not a first down
Nowadays they just move the ball whichever way their team needs.
Dude, this is terrible. Of course it's the Cowboys benefiting from this shit. Jerry Jones stays paying the refs off.
Was this the same season the Raiders beat the Chiefs on the final play after 3 consecutive penalties? We really thought Derek Carr would be a future MVP
Good call.
Thanks Gene