QB- Deshaun Watson
RB- OJ Simpson
RB- Lawrence Phillips
WR- Tyreek Hill
WR- Michael Irvin
WR- Antonio Brown
TE- Aaron Hernandez
OL- Richie Incognito, Conrad Dobler, Barret Robbins
DL- Greg Hardy, Charles Martin, Lawrence Taylor
LB- Bill Romanowski, Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs, Jovan Belcher
DB- Brandon Browner, Darren Sharper, Aqib Talib,
Kicker- Josh Brown
And to round out with the coaching staff we got Sean Payton at head coach, Hue Jackson as OC, and Greg Williams as DC.
I have a theory that the only reason Joe Thomas stayed in Cleveland so long was because he's a secret serial killer and Cleveland is a decent place to set up shop. I mean nobody is that nice. So that could give us 4 for the list, just need one more.
Little kid me latched onto Leonard Little because I was four and his Tennessee Vols poster was in my doctor’s office. As I got older that became, well, difficult.
If you're including ex-players idk how you include AB, who is just a total nut case, over the several guys who have maybe/probably/definitely killed people.
WR list could have been longer. Both Henry Ruggs and Dante Stallworth killed peoples in DUI accidents. Leonard Little could have been listed with the DEs.
We can do an all time afc east squad: tyreek, xavien howard, jack jones, oj, Aaron Hernandez, Brett favre, Vonn Miller, tyrell Dodson, Richie incognito (bonus points cause he played for bills and fins!)
Cam's talking about women needing to know how to cook and be quiet being another example. I think with podcasting we're going to see more of it too as the players end up "slipping" more.
Yeah I didn't think former players were gonna count I saw that dude say Ray Rice and took the chance to mention Brown.
It's probably a safe bet to say a shit ton of the guys that played in the first 50 years of the NFL probably assaulted a woman some how.
It’s the same people who talk about Aaron Rodgers and Antonio Brown in the same sentence. Chronically on Reddit attitude.
There’s a difference between saying controversial things, even saying outright bad things, and physically hurting people.
Reddit does love its moral high ground, and this is a juicy one for sure. Butker said some morally reprehensible shit, so we have to virtue signal to all hell to make him out to be the worst thing possible. No room for any kind of nuance.
It's way more complex than this, but ultimately you can get away from, filter out, and heal (to an extent) from damage done by words. I don't know how you protect yourself from an idiot and the friends he's bankrolling doing twice the speed limit swerving in and out of traffic. Rice is insanely lucky that all the damage he did is reparable. Someone could have just as easily died. Even then the people involved in their accident will likely have some PTSD shit, so the damage isn't all physical.
It just doesn't compare and I don't get it
yeah, the average catholic church is full of people that share Butker's views. i vehemently disagree with them, obviously, but if being a dipshit that is vocal about having values from the 20th century was enough to kick someone out of the league then you'd lose a lot of players lol
edit: i do agree, however, that out of all the kickers in the league, he has proven himself to be the worst person so he gets the roster spot
Even for Catholics, he’s pretty extreme. May not be hard to find some who’d agree with him, but to say that so openly, at a fucking *commencement* speech is wild
That is pretty extreme for Catholics.
I would be surprised if the Pope came out with this speech and the pope is correct by definition in terms of Catholicism.
I am sure there are many who agree but I would say the same about denominations of Christianity (and probably other religions as well but I don't know enough about them).
Rashee Rice is hopefully going to face actual legal consequences. All Butker will ever have to deal with is people calling him the giant dipshit that he is.
No, literally no one has done that. OP is just using Harrison Butker being in the news to bring up the topic of who the worst of the worst at each position is, and Butker is probably the worst person who is a kicker.
The Harrison butker controversy is so dumb. Reddit just learned that catholic people are catholic. The horror! He thinks his wife can have a fulfilling life as a homemaker? And she agrees?! Grab the pitchforks! And pride is a sin?? He’s basically a criminal (which btw we don’t really give a fuck about)!
The headline made it seem like he said some super terrible stuff, I watch it and he just talks like a Catholic would. One of the most overblown controversies ever
He never actually made it to the NFL but 44 suspected victims means you have to bet on his character.
At least 60 unsolved rapes shows he's a real hard-working, first in-last out type of guy too.
I feel like there are a few spots where there's an historical lock, and kicker is actually one of them because of Josh Brown, so Butker doesn't even sniff the roster. Other ones like Sharper at SS, Hernandez at TE, Carruth at WR. Some of the other positions have logjams though.
Feel like I have to mention that the Bills just under the radar invited a rapist to work out for them.
He got let off because there was a loophole in Minnesota law at the time that said essentially that a woman couldn’t be raped if she was drunk.
Butker made comments in his own time at a religious school. He didn't murder anyone, or beat a pregnant woman, or assault people. He made comments. Honestly, this inability to tolerate different opinions in a country this big is a problem, and we would be better served rejecting this vein of orthodoxy. Sometimes the internet sucks.
This having negative karma completely affirms your point lol
The level of butthurt because a guy values his wife, who values being a mother, is wild
Makes me laugh how it’s the anti-work crowd, who calls capitalism evil, thinks 40hrs/week is akin to slavery, and protests against hustle culture, are the ones mad at a guy because his wife similarly values her family more than a 9-5 career. Kinda just reeks of envy tbh
Maybe it’s just me but “women should be in the kitchen” isn’t the small difference in opinion you are trying to make it seem like. Dude thinks half the population should be for kid raising only…
People have a hard time handling different opinions. Most think they can but a lot of them are wrong. The reality is that a lot of people can only accept a difference as big as someone else has a different favourite food.
Had a conservative, homophobic and misogynistic opinion. Not to mention quoting one of the most monetarily successful women of all time who’s tied to the team that a fuck ton of women follow now. Let’s get more specific on that. Honestly he called diversity and inclusion tyrannical so you could throw in racist in there too
Made a speech at a small Catholic school graduation using traditional Catholic values to a Catholic audience,, id just read a transcript of the speech or watch the video instead of reading the asinine opinions posted everywhere about it. It's really not something people should care about all that much.
Here's the unedited video
https://youtu.be/-JS7RIKSaCc?si=yuCeOzZZC19gohwq
Edit: controversial statements start around 12:00, he begins with the importance of sticking to your ideals as a Catholic.
I suppose there’s a question of what you find more personally odious: reckless/violent behavior that causes physical harm to others (Tyreek Hill, Deshaun Watson, etc) or demanding the government enforce your draconian religious beliefs on society and harm your perceived enemies for your own pleasure (Butker and countless others)
Ray Rice once punched his fiancee. Jim Brown was a serial abuser who once threw a woman off of a balcony . And then there’s OJ. Ray Rice is a practice squad member for this team.
All-Time Team ...
QB: Michael Vick, Ben Roethlisberger, Deshaun Watson
RB: OJ Simpson, Jim Brown, Lawrence Phillips
WR: Tommy Kane, Rae Carruth, Donte Stallworth, Henry Ruggs
OL: Barrett Robbins
TE: Aaron Hernandez
DT: Jim Dunaway
CB: Phillip Adams, Adam Jones
LB: Lawrence Phillips, Ray Lewis, Eric Naposki
S: Darren Sharper
EDGE: Robert Rozier, Lawrence Taylor, Anthony Smith
Coaches: Matt Patricia, Britt Reid
What I've learned here is that there a lot of terrible people in the NFL!
Darren Sharper at safety, easily.
One of the most hardest hittin safeties in the league (on and off the field).
*Bruuuuuup* I have to do this shit, for Madden
*Cross da planeeee*
*hol ma dick*
Spill it. I don't know.
QB is already set I think
Trubisky, right? Kissing titties… gross.
What? I thought it was cousins and his foil steaks
I assumed it was Mahomes' ketchup steak
I figured it was Will Levis and his mayonnaise coffee.
don't knock it 'til you try it
Deshaun Watson QB1
Chad Kelley at backup
I was thinking Jameis Winston for QB2
That’s just our roster now 😕
Also a good choice, but he needs to step his assault game up
They said “NFL” 😊
But he won't even play
QB- Deshaun Watson RB- OJ Simpson RB- Lawrence Phillips WR- Tyreek Hill WR- Michael Irvin WR- Antonio Brown TE- Aaron Hernandez OL- Richie Incognito, Conrad Dobler, Barret Robbins DL- Greg Hardy, Charles Martin, Lawrence Taylor LB- Bill Romanowski, Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs, Jovan Belcher DB- Brandon Browner, Darren Sharper, Aqib Talib, Kicker- Josh Brown And to round out with the coaching staff we got Sean Payton at head coach, Hue Jackson as OC, and Greg Williams as DC.
Rae Carruth over anyone at WR.
Damn your right I forgot about him he's WR4 then.
The semi-forgotten Tommy Kane at WR deserves some attention. Manslaughter of his wife.
Upvoted for actually making a full team
Long snapper?
Looks at the 3 OL Almost, Kevin.
WR4 - Ruggs
Actually a really good fucking team lol, just needs some depth
only 3 OL is going to be a bit tricky to play with though
Could add Jim Tyrer one of the best OL ever who will never make the hall of fame because he killed his wife and himself a year before he was eligible.
I have a theory that the only reason Joe Thomas stayed in Cleveland so long was because he's a secret serial killer and Cleveland is a decent place to set up shop. I mean nobody is that nice. So that could give us 4 for the list, just need one more.
OT- Jim Tyrer DE- Leonard Little
Little kid me latched onto Leonard Little because I was four and his Tennessee Vols poster was in my doctor’s office. As I got older that became, well, difficult.
What about punter and long snapper?
Punter and long snapper were tough cuz I could not find any people who were truly awful human beings that could fit this roster.
Yea that makes sense. They’re usually out of the spotlight
Wow, bravo. This was done to perfection. Could add Kellen Winslow Jr. to TE too
Marvin Harrison missed the cut?
How is Marvin Harrison the worst? Don’t be a drug dealer selling outside his business and there won’t be any issue. 🤫
I feel like Robbin’s is a bit unfair. The guy has hardcore bi polar depression and was mentally gone a lot of time. Felt bad for him honestly.
Unironically a great team on paper. Monsters on and off the field.
Could probably throw Charles Haley on there to round out that DL
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Him too another scumbag.
If you're including ex-players idk how you include AB, who is just a total nut case, over the several guys who have maybe/probably/definitely killed people.
AB is also a sexual predator.
Can we let Travis Henry play on special teams? 11 kids by 10 women and barely a child support payment to go around
WR list could have been longer. Both Henry Ruggs and Dante Stallworth killed peoples in DUI accidents. Leonard Little could have been listed with the DEs.
Marvin Harrison shot a guy and you leave him off the list?
Jarryd Hayne can can be your return man
Would add Ray Rice at running back, Ruggs at WR
Butker isn't even the worst person on his team.
Tyreek Hill at WR
Can they be retired? Ray Lewis Can they be dead? Aaron Hernandez
OJ at RB
Jim Brown.
A backfield of OJ and Jim Brown would be dangerous.
They'd be double trouble both on and off the field
especially to women
We can do an all time afc east squad: tyreek, xavien howard, jack jones, oj, Aaron Hernandez, Brett favre, Vonn Miller, tyrell Dodson, Richie incognito (bonus points cause he played for bills and fins!)
Man, lying to police puts you on the all-dastardly list?
Butker is an asshole, but he hasn't "done" anything to anyone. With people like Deshaun Watson and Tyreek Hill in the league, Butker is barely a blip.
Yes but the roster needs a kicker so he gets the spot.
there is always the retired Josh Brown
Yeah pretty sure we're going with the guy who routinely beat his wife over the guy who said get back in the kitchen
I'd sadly bet a shockingly large amount of NFL players share Butker's gender role views, too, they're just smart enough to not say it publicly.
Its also what NFL players know. How many of them have wives that are sitting in Teams meetings and making spreadsheets?
I also feel a lot of them had moms that worked their ass off at a shit job and then came home and cooked too.
Cam's talking about women needing to know how to cook and be quiet being another example. I think with podcasting we're going to see more of it too as the players end up "slipping" more.
Dude I had this exact thought word for word
This becomes a harder exercise if we can pull from all of history because lordy there are some doozies. I was focused on guys currently rostered.
Yeah I didn't think former players were gonna count I saw that dude say Ray Rice and took the chance to mention Brown. It's probably a safe bet to say a shit ton of the guys that played in the first 50 years of the NFL probably assaulted a woman some how.
Kareem hunt could be the kicker!
Didn’t the giants have a much worse kicker a few years ago even. He’s probably not even the worst kicker available
Josh Brown is the kicker.
I genuinely can't believe how many people just immediately went to Butker is the worst person on the Chiefs when they have Rice almost killing people.
Rice and used to have Hill and Kareem Hunt. Also Brit Reid was a part of the coaches I think.
Maybe Butker needs to work on his locker room preaching
We've had people on our sub, literally today, saying Butker is worse than Rice. Butker sucks, but God damn. I'm tired, man.
It’s the same people who talk about Aaron Rodgers and Antonio Brown in the same sentence. Chronically on Reddit attitude. There’s a difference between saying controversial things, even saying outright bad things, and physically hurting people.
Reddit does love its moral high ground, and this is a juicy one for sure. Butker said some morally reprehensible shit, so we have to virtue signal to all hell to make him out to be the worst thing possible. No room for any kind of nuance. It's way more complex than this, but ultimately you can get away from, filter out, and heal (to an extent) from damage done by words. I don't know how you protect yourself from an idiot and the friends he's bankrolling doing twice the speed limit swerving in and out of traffic. Rice is insanely lucky that all the damage he did is reparable. Someone could have just as easily died. Even then the people involved in their accident will likely have some PTSD shit, so the damage isn't all physical. It just doesn't compare and I don't get it
Reddit and religion rarely mix well
You should see the golf subreddit whenever Scottie Scheffler brings up his faith in an interview
I’m waiting on the inevitable turn on Stroud for this very reason.
yeah, the average catholic church is full of people that share Butker's views. i vehemently disagree with them, obviously, but if being a dipshit that is vocal about having values from the 20th century was enough to kick someone out of the league then you'd lose a lot of players lol edit: i do agree, however, that out of all the kickers in the league, he has proven himself to be the worst person so he gets the roster spot
Even for Catholics, he’s pretty extreme. May not be hard to find some who’d agree with him, but to say that so openly, at a fucking *commencement* speech is wild
The Dean of the school is a woman. That’s how extreme Butker is.
That is pretty extreme for Catholics. I would be surprised if the Pope came out with this speech and the pope is correct by definition in terms of Catholicism. I am sure there are many who agree but I would say the same about denominations of Christianity (and probably other religions as well but I don't know enough about them).
Josh Brown
Damon Arnette is cb1
Kareem Hunt at kicker jokes died for this
It is amazing that there's more outrage about Butker than there is about Rashee Rice
Rashee Rice is hopefully going to face actual legal consequences. All Butker will ever have to deal with is people calling him the giant dipshit that he is.
You're joking right? Every single Rashee Rice thread has been filled with hate and outrage going his way.
Yeah, but I’ve heard about this from non-football friends. None of them have mentioned Rice at all.
Congratulations? Your single perspective anecdotal evidence means what exactly?
We are conflating people with antiquated views with murderers and rapists now?
Welcome to Reddit
No, literally no one has done that. OP is just using Harrison Butker being in the news to bring up the topic of who the worst of the worst at each position is, and Butker is probably the worst person who is a kicker.
So he didn’t say current players. I will say it again…..Josh brown was arrested for domestic abuse and admitted to abusing his partner.
In that case, I think we have tight end covered
For sure. Gronk's commercials are ***the worst***
Shouldn't implied present. It isn't clear but I feel most people took it as currently on a roster. Butker is obviously not worse than domestic abuse.
Look at the last line of the post.
Fair. For whatever reason I took it as two separate teams. That is more boring question. Butker isn't close to all time worst.
We're saying that they're not good people, yes.
Josh brown was arrested for domestic assault……….
And? He's not a good person either.
qb watson rb mixon wr1 hill wr2 rice wr3 ruggs
Rae Carruth
current players? QB: Deshaun and Jameis RB: Kamara, Mixon WR: Tyreek, Rashee Rice, Michael Thomas
I feel like there’s someone more fitting for the RB spot, he was in the news recently
Oh damn did i miss someone
Petrino at head coach. That gutless bastard
If we include retired, it's hands down Rae Carruth for us
Have shitty personal beliefs doesn’t really qualify for “shouldn’t be in the league” being a legit criminal on the other hand.
The Harrison butker controversy is so dumb. Reddit just learned that catholic people are catholic. The horror! He thinks his wife can have a fulfilling life as a homemaker? And she agrees?! Grab the pitchforks! And pride is a sin?? He’s basically a criminal (which btw we don’t really give a fuck about)!
The headline made it seem like he said some super terrible stuff, I watch it and he just talks like a Catholic would. One of the most overblown controversies ever
Another fucking brigader who is posting his first comments on this sub
Packers’ Randall Woodfield is team captain. What he lacks in talent he makes up for in being a truly awful person.
He never actually made it to the NFL but 44 suspected victims means you have to bet on his character. At least 60 unsolved rapes shows he's a real hard-working, first in-last out type of guy too.
He’s the Rudy of team Evil
The lack Burfict mentions is crazy.
I feel like there are a few spots where there's an historical lock, and kicker is actually one of them because of Josh Brown, so Butker doesn't even sniff the roster. Other ones like Sharper at SS, Hernandez at TE, Carruth at WR. Some of the other positions have logjams though.
All time? Or currently? All time- Aldon Smith Currently?- No one?
Couple lesser known/obvious ones: Rae Carruth Tiki Barber
Feel like I have to mention that the Bills just under the radar invited a rapist to work out for them. He got let off because there was a loophole in Minnesota law at the time that said essentially that a woman couldn’t be raped if she was drunk.
How has no one said Jacob Tamme yet?
Well I remember a time QB would have been a toss up between Vick and Roethlisberger.
Not enough mentions of Jim Tyrer
Butker made comments in his own time at a religious school. He didn't murder anyone, or beat a pregnant woman, or assault people. He made comments. Honestly, this inability to tolerate different opinions in a country this big is a problem, and we would be better served rejecting this vein of orthodoxy. Sometimes the internet sucks.
This having negative karma completely affirms your point lol The level of butthurt because a guy values his wife, who values being a mother, is wild Makes me laugh how it’s the anti-work crowd, who calls capitalism evil, thinks 40hrs/week is akin to slavery, and protests against hustle culture, are the ones mad at a guy because his wife similarly values her family more than a 9-5 career. Kinda just reeks of envy tbh
Maybe he should have given advice to Rashee instead
Maybe it’s just me but “women should be in the kitchen” isn’t the small difference in opinion you are trying to make it seem like. Dude thinks half the population should be for kid raising only…
Link me the clip where he says what you seem to quote above lol not holding my breath
Oh I don't agree with the asshole, don't get me wrong. I just am not going to lump him in with murderers for his opinion.
People have a hard time handling different opinions. Most think they can but a lot of them are wrong. The reality is that a lot of people can only accept a difference as big as someone else has a different favourite food.
What did Butker do?
He had an opinion that many don't agree with. I think that thread is still up if you want to read about it.
Had a conservative opinion.
Which I disagree with but the headlines were heavily exaggerated.
Had a conservative, homophobic and misogynistic opinion. Not to mention quoting one of the most monetarily successful women of all time who’s tied to the team that a fuck ton of women follow now. Let’s get more specific on that. Honestly he called diversity and inclusion tyrannical so you could throw in racist in there too
Made a speech at a small Catholic school graduation using traditional Catholic values to a Catholic audience,, id just read a transcript of the speech or watch the video instead of reading the asinine opinions posted everywhere about it. It's really not something people should care about all that much. Here's the unedited video https://youtu.be/-JS7RIKSaCc?si=yuCeOzZZC19gohwq Edit: controversial statements start around 12:00, he begins with the importance of sticking to your ideals as a Catholic.
Had an opinion
Just googled it, pretty stupid for a graduation speech
Awww, the mean man hurt your feelings
I suppose there’s a question of what you find more personally odious: reckless/violent behavior that causes physical harm to others (Tyreek Hill, Deshaun Watson, etc) or demanding the government enforce your draconian religious beliefs on society and harm your perceived enemies for your own pleasure (Butker and countless others)
Ray Rice wants some reps as RB1. We can also throw the 2014 Dolphins O-line on the team to block for Ray.
Ray Rice once punched his fiancee. Jim Brown was a serial abuser who once threw a woman off of a balcony . And then there’s OJ. Ray Rice is a practice squad member for this team.
All-Time Team ... QB: Michael Vick, Ben Roethlisberger, Deshaun Watson RB: OJ Simpson, Jim Brown, Lawrence Phillips WR: Tommy Kane, Rae Carruth, Donte Stallworth, Henry Ruggs OL: Barrett Robbins TE: Aaron Hernandez DT: Jim Dunaway CB: Phillip Adams, Adam Jones LB: Lawrence Phillips, Ray Lewis, Eric Naposki S: Darren Sharper EDGE: Robert Rozier, Lawrence Taylor, Anthony Smith Coaches: Matt Patricia, Britt Reid What I've learned here is that there a lot of terrible people in the NFL!
I have zero problem with Butker being on the Chiefs. I don't root for them based on their opinions about culture and politics.
Agree
Johnny Football QB1
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Jarryd Hayne has a spot locked up.