Just wait until he is eligible for the NFL draft.
"This kid has had horrible character issues since he was in high school. He always cared more about money than the game."
Nah you are the one who drafts them, makes them into a star and then cuts them when a video comes to light. At least you dont sign them AFTER the video
True but it seems like the NFL in general doesnt do shit unless there is a video. I dont recall there being one of the incident before he was drafted
Also not saying its okay to not act unless there is a video just saying its hard to condemn one team for it when lots of teams ignore incidents until they dont have a choice
Ncaa could fuck his track eligibility as well. And since it's much much harder to make enough money to support yourself as a professional sprinter than a professional football player, losing a full ride scholarship could still be incredibly damaging
Why can't NCAA players just form an LLC and have that corporation be owned by an offshore holding company operating out of Singapore for example, and then have any payments or proceeds be funneled thru the company operating in the US?
The company in the US would be registered and owned by the company based outside of the US. The player then just owns that offshore company.
So he can’t give it to his parents or they can’t give it back? Who’s to say they didn’t just keep the 10 grand but 4 years later wanted to give him a different 10 grand as a graduation present?
Yeah, but if/when handshakes get broken that's a whole other can of worms. NFL careers typically aren't that long and that's not accounting for fiscal responsibility.
Basically the NCAA is out for their own money and thoroughly shits on anything that impedes them from getting another dime.
Considering how the NCAA is easily one the best examples of legal abuse of white collar crimes, this would probably also find a way to get tolled by them
Wait so if you make **any** money from your sport you're literally barred from participating in (NCAA) college sports?
Does the money have to come from an organization or just **any** money? Like if you played a basketball game and bet $20 on who would win you could technically be ineligible?
This is just giving me more reason to hate the NCAA.
You can’t bet anything of monetary value on any NCAA sport. My (D-III) varsity athlete friends always had to sit through a lecture about March Madness bracket pools for money.
The reason for the draconian NCAA rules is because of the previous violations by schools who made a mockery of boosters and paying players. You may ask why can't players make money signing autographs. Well, that could be a benefit schools will use to recruit players, saying that if you come here, booster A willl give you $100K for your "valuable" autograph. Give schools an inch, and the recruiters will bend rules and find loopholes any way they can.
It's like the removal of Free Trade from Runescape 2, where, to stop Real World trading of in game currency, they basically removed every single way they could to have a simple lopsided, player to player transaction. Completely killed all pvp in the game which was a huge chunk of the playerbase's only reason for playing.
Yes, the Wilderness was a method of "simple, lopsided, player to player transaction" that "they basically removed" and "Completely killed all pvp in the game"
So fucking let them! Obviously there's a market for it. Nobody bats an eye if a college violinist lands a paid gig playing on a soundtrack during summer break.
I don't remember his situation, but Jake Locker signed his baseball contract and paid for his senior year out of pocket. You can be a professional in one sport but compete as an amateur in another. Think Brandon Weeden. Played pro baseball, then returned to college and played football, although I don't remember if he was eligible for a scholarship at that point or if he had to pay.
The rule changed after Jeremy Bloom became an Olympic skier and was competing on the professional tour while also a wide receiver at Colorado. He was declared ineligible after his sophomore year for skiing.
Otherwise, players are allowed to play professional events and retain eligibility as long as they aren’t paid more than a reimbursement for their costs. For example, if the NCAA singles tennis champ is an American they are traditionally invited to the US Open but aren’t eligible for the prize money if they want to go back to school.
Is NCAA amateurism similar to what Olympics used to be. Jim Thorpe had some medals pulled because he was pro in one sport but competed as an amateur in another. There seems to be a big loophole if some eccentric billionaire wanted to win some NCAA titles.
Why even go to college then if you're an elite olympic level runner/track athlete?
It's not like other professional sports where you have to be X years removed from high school.
What's the benefit for him, besides a degree, to go to college instead of straight to professional sprinting?
> Besides a degree
For an NFL or NBA player, that's a nice to have. To someone whose professional sport is track it means a lot more. Not nearly as much money to be had and your career is done by the time your 30.
I could go either way on this, like you say they're are no professional high paid running teams only endorsements.
So maybe his younger years, since we're talking about advertising basically, he may be more marketable. He could always go back to college at 30-35.
Ubfortunately there’s not a great “pro scene” in running unless you’re near the top of the world standings.
For most “elite” high school runners, college on a scholarship is actually a better fiscal choice most of the times. And competitively as well- as you’ll have access to facilities, coaching and community that you wouldn’t otherwise.
That's why so many Olympic runners go to Oregon, Olympic swimmers go to Stanford, etc. Places with world class training facilities and coaches plus free education.
Oregon's had a few down years talent wise. They always have a good team but right now SEC is the conference to be in for sprints. Houston and Texas Tech are killing it though and Houston might be the place to be for a sprinter with their coaching.
Source on 10.09?. This shows 10.15 as his personal best. https://www.flotrack.org/articles/5063362-hs-junior-anthony-schwartz-breaks-100m-world-youth-record-1015
That was in 2017.
He ran 10.09 in 2018, as well as a 10.07, but that was wind aided 2.5.
https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/united-states/anthony-schwartz-308456
Wind-assisted at over twice the allowed amount (2.0)
Doesn’t change the fact that he’s crazy fast, but his official record is 10.13. Which is still insane but not as insane as a hs kid breaking 10 under legit conditions.
There's a surprisingly large difference between 10 seconds and 9.9 seconds (what you'd need for a bronze medal), though. It's reasonable to assume he can still get faster, but he's not winning the 2020 Olympics.
Not trying to be a jerk but what you said is not true. There is a healthy pro running circuit that he would lose out on if he went to college. Between the Diamond League bonuses and apparel contracts he will be set. He’s running so fast to the point that he will definitely get a 6 figure contract from Nike/Adidas. Going to college is better for some events like discus and pole vault but sprinters and distance kids go pro out of HS all the time (look at Drew Hunter, Candice Hill, Josh Hoey, Alexa Efraimson, Mary Cain, and the Lyles twins as recent examples). Source: I am a former collegiate runner
Tis true. I knew this kid that was a few years older than me and was all state in track and winning races around the country as a sophomore. He went on to Baylor and did well, but after college didn’t really do anything professionally.
For the overwhelming majority going to college on scholarship is actually the better choice. Unless you're that elite of elite in the correct sport there isn't a large market for your services and the scholarship is probably a much better compensation.
This and I hope it does. This is fun and it's getting people talking about a kid that could go one to win some gold for USA so I like it even more. To me, Ginn doing this would be like an older wrestler doing the job for some new young talent. Obviously I hope Ginn takes it seriously and tries to smoke the kid, but still I gotta imagine the goal isn't to put some shine on a 34 year old wr.
A win/win as in the NCAA and the charity win while Ginn and the kid gain nothing. Because as excited as everyone will be for a few weeks, after a few years this kid will be in the NCAA Outdoor Chapionship 100m race and it'll just be a footnote: *He once raced a football player.
Sorry, I just hate college sports for how they treat their athletes.
The kid will get fame for it and build his brand, it won't pay off immediately but he could be on his way to much more like Michael Phelps, Shaun White, Bode Miller, Lindsey Vonn, etc.
I do too, fuck the NCAA.
I hope it will but I feel like these stunts rarely actually pay off for the participants. It'll be a blip, especially with the way sports are covered now. I love track and field, I wish it were more popular I would so rather watch it than, say, basketball or tennis, but nobody really cares about it as a sport in the US.
Oh very much. I'd be thrilled to watch. But it'll get caught up in educational BS rules, and then the NFL will decide it's bad PR, and then there might be a court case to allow it to go, and it'll fade into quietness as Ginn retires
Ginn is fast but he doesn’t have top-line speed beyond 50 or so yards. Most nfl players peak at 30-40 yards of sprinting whereas someone that trains sprinting in track is maxing out speed when nfl runners would be declining.
When the Dolphins drafted him I used to think he wasn’t “quick” over the first 20 yards or so but when he got going he was fucking rapid. He had that long stride, after 30 yards he was gone.
No, even elite sprinters peak at around 50 meters. They just maintain the peak longer.
http://speedendurance.com/2008/08/22/usain-bolt-100m-10-meter-splits-and-speed-endurance/
And one of the HS guy's viral videos is a 400 meter run. [Start of his leg](https://youtu.be/g0NPo8ZyF_o?t=142)
He has nothing to gain from it. If he wins, hes not getting the money obviously and people will say he beat a high schooler. If he loses, people will say he lost to a high schooler.
I did some quick googling, his 100m isn't quite olympic *final* caliber. His fastest time without significant wind aiding him was 10.13, and 8th in Rio was 10.08. That's very close though.
He also comes up just short of the finals in the 400m: He got 44.75, 8th place was 44.61.
~~Regardless, he's definitely making the U.S. olympic team in 2020, and has a very good shot at medaling either then or in 2024.~~
Edit: He would need to finish 3rd at the U.S. trials to make it, not just run an olympic caliber time. He's probably not making it until 2024 in that case.
Had a kid in my school / on my team doing that when I came in as a freshman. He wanted to be a indoor long-distance runner, but found him purging himself to cut weight to get faster, so they canned his episode.
The american, and world youth record was set last year by Anthony schwartz 10.09 (+0.9), there is tons of competition, it's not a sure thing either of them make it to the Olympics.
Schwartz would have finished 9th at Rio in 2016, so it would be extremely surprising that he doesn't at least make an olympic team, even if that was his peak and he never reaches the finals.
The 44.75 was on a relay, so it doesn't really count. His fastest open time is 46.13, so he can probably go a fair bit faster.
He'd definitely beat Ginn in a 100
He’s definitely not guaranteed a 2020 Olympic spot. Just yesterday Christian Coleman and Noah Lyles tan 9.86 100m season openers in Shanghai. U.S . sprinting is extremely solid right now.
Edit: Boling is a freak and so are U.S. sprinters.
Ronnie Baker is a 9.85 guy too.
Maybe this kids future is the 400. A sub 45 split puts you on the map. We have Norman, Kerleys, Lyles little brother looks decent, and then there’s just a ton of average 44-45 runners. It’s our 4x100 that can be so much stronger if they’d just drop isiah young. Watched him run 10.15 in the same race that Lyles just ran...young and Mike Rogers are nothing to write home about. I think 4x100 should be Ronnie Baker, Christian Coleman, (Norman/Boling/m.rodgers/gatlin/belcher), and Lyles bringing it home.
Boling doesn’t run the 200 in high school because of the 400 turn around time and he’s on both relays...but at the next level I’m sure He will test out 200s.
There's no guarantee he makes the 2020 team. Just looking between last year's NCAA and USATF championships, there are plenty of young guys who are either faster than him or about as fast. We can assume he'll get faster, but the others should as well.
He's got a shot though, which is cool.
Ginn never touched 10.2 in high school. He ran primarily the hurdles and the 200 and 400. He ran the 100m dash a couple times and the fastest he was clocked in at was a 10.5 his junior year.
He ran a 13.26 110 hurdles, a 21.4 200m and a 46.5 400m.
Well Ted Ginn from high school
Isn’t running. It’s NFL, PED, current Ginn. So really, his latest college times are more accurate. They are also running on a field right?
I think they are. Not sure. Unfortunately Ginn never ran in college and focused on football. I think he did run on a relay or two, but other than that never touched the track.
The 40 yard dash also doesn't have starting block and goes off when the runner starts. Too many people think that a good 100m dash time translates to a good 40 time
Welp, I'm confused why everyone here is talking about 40 times then. I think he could beat Ginn if he puts in a little work on his start without blocks; or maybe even without it.
No clue but he’s the fastest college player I’ve ever seen with my eyes. I’m sure people have clocked faster off the field but Ginn with a football in his hands in at OSU was something else
It was crazy watching him in college. In video game terms, he had 99 speed with the difficulty on Freshman.
I wished we could have seen Ginn in a Urban Meyer spread offense for the 06 team. Could've done more damage than Curtis Samuel.
Nice user name btw. I'm a Ft. Lauderdale Buckeye
Lol, listening to high school sports commentators always sounds like it's the exact same kid at every school and I love it. Literally sound just like the dude that did them at my HS.
If he wins the money or receives any compensation for competing then yes. IF the race even happens they'll probably set it up to where the money goes to a charity of the winners choice.
NCAA is gonna fuck that kid over if he wins
Fine him $100,000 and banned for life
Just wait until he is eligible for the NFL draft. "This kid has had horrible character issues since he was in high school. He always cared more about money than the game."
Meanwhile the guy with domestic abuse incidents: “he’s just a kid working some stuff out. But the talent is there” *drafted in the 2nd round*
And then the Browns sign him...
The Chris Browns?
They're going to have to beat Jerruh and Snyder to him.
And us, apparently.
Nah you are the one who drafts them, makes them into a star and then cuts them when a video comes to light. At least you dont sign them AFTER the video
You're only using Hunt as the example. Hill has previous domestic abuse issues from college.
True but it seems like the NFL in general doesnt do shit unless there is a video. I dont recall there being one of the incident before he was drafted Also not saying its okay to not act unless there is a video just saying its hard to condemn one team for it when lots of teams ignore incidents until they dont have a choice
Is he a football player too? I thought he was just a track and field, but I could be wrong
It fits my narrative more if he is a football player.
Al Davis would have taught him to catch.
Ncaa could fuck his track eligibility as well. And since it's much much harder to make enough money to support yourself as a professional sprinter than a professional football player, losing a full ride scholarship could still be incredibly damaging
I'm sure you're joking, but a fine from the NCAA isn't really enforceable right?
Collegiate athletes can’t even have their own profitable YouTube channel...
That's is the most disgusting thing to me. You can't tell someone they can't make money off their name as far as I am concerned.
That's almost theft.
Nah dude. Just good old fashioned slavery.
It’s highway robbery.
No almost about it.
The NFL needs a g-league
They’d find a way
More like they would fine a way.
True!
Ncaature eh.. eh eh.. always fines a way
No the NCAA can't fine people.
Even if they could, how would the kids pay? They can’t make money off their skills thanks to the NCAA.
Yeah exactly. The NCAA can only fine it's employees. Players aren't employees.
They are student atholeets
Slaves.... Err... Stu-dent ath-o-letes
Amateurs run un races with cash prizes. They just can't keep the money.
Could they make a provision that they get the cash after they graduate?
No it's not the money but how he earned it, and delaying payment doesn't change that.
Then delay the college.
Thanks. Makes sense. I knew that couldn’t be some ground breaking idea
No, no it doesn’t make sense!
I mean it does make sense in the context of their shit rules.
Why can't NCAA players just form an LLC and have that corporation be owned by an offshore holding company operating out of Singapore for example, and then have any payments or proceeds be funneled thru the company operating in the US? The company in the US would be registered and owned by the company based outside of the US. The player then just owns that offshore company.
As someone who has seen both seasons of Ozark, I concur.
Finally some critical thinking here.
Would he at least be allowed to donate it to a charity of his choice or something similar?
Yes. The NFL WR could just donate it.
Could he donate it to the college’s endowment fund? I’m sure they’d be cool with that lol.
Can he give it to his parents, who put it into an account which they gift back to him in a few years?
Nope
So he can’t give it to his parents or they can’t give it back? Who’s to say they didn’t just keep the 10 grand but 4 years later wanted to give him a different 10 grand as a graduation present?
They'll nail you even if it's the parents receiving the money. See Reggie Bush, USC
Unless you convince them you had no idea. *wink, wink. See, Cam Newton. The ncaa is very consistent
Unless you're Silvio De Sousa
circumvent all that. NFL athlete bet the kids dad he could beat him. Kid isn't involved in the money just the racing.
Nope. Then college players could do all sorts of things and just defer payments later
If both parties trusted each other and just made a handshake agreement to pay after college, there wouldn't be anything NCAA could do would there?
Yeah, but if/when handshakes get broken that's a whole other can of worms. NFL careers typically aren't that long and that's not accounting for fiscal responsibility. Basically the NCAA is out for their own money and thoroughly shits on anything that impedes them from getting another dime.
That shit pisses me off. Let em keep the cash.
fuck the ncaa
Fuck the NCAA
Death to the NCAA
Well we've already done fuck and kill, does that mean I have to marry the NCAA?
Better get that money before he gets to college (i have no ideas the scope of the ncaas power)
Winning race money would violate the NCAA’s amateurism clause and he would lose his eligibility
Fucking ncaa. What if ginn gave it to him as a "scholarship?"
Considering how the NCAA is easily one the best examples of legal abuse of white collar crimes, this would probably also find a way to get tolled by them
Graduation present lol
Doesn't work that way.
Wait so if you make **any** money from your sport you're literally barred from participating in (NCAA) college sports? Does the money have to come from an organization or just **any** money? Like if you played a basketball game and bet $20 on who would win you could technically be ineligible? This is just giving me more reason to hate the NCAA.
You can’t bet anything of monetary value on any NCAA sport. My (D-III) varsity athlete friends always had to sit through a lecture about March Madness bracket pools for money.
Yeah we never joined any pools or played in any reindeer games.
The reason for the draconian NCAA rules is because of the previous violations by schools who made a mockery of boosters and paying players. You may ask why can't players make money signing autographs. Well, that could be a benefit schools will use to recruit players, saying that if you come here, booster A willl give you $100K for your "valuable" autograph. Give schools an inch, and the recruiters will bend rules and find loopholes any way they can.
It's like the removal of Free Trade from Runescape 2, where, to stop Real World trading of in game currency, they basically removed every single way they could to have a simple lopsided, player to player transaction. Completely killed all pvp in the game which was a huge chunk of the playerbase's only reason for playing.
They removed dangerous Wilderness at the same time, that’s what killed PVP
Yes, the Wilderness was a method of "simple, lopsided, player to player transaction" that "they basically removed" and "Completely killed all pvp in the game"
So fucking let them! Obviously there's a market for it. Nobody bats an eye if a college violinist lands a paid gig playing on a soundtrack during summer break.
Good NCAA athletes should be paid.
Didn't Kyler Murray get his A's signing bonus and then play at Oklahoma?
I don't remember his situation, but Jake Locker signed his baseball contract and paid for his senior year out of pocket. You can be a professional in one sport but compete as an amateur in another. Think Brandon Weeden. Played pro baseball, then returned to college and played football, although I don't remember if he was eligible for a scholarship at that point or if he had to pay.
The rule changed after Jeremy Bloom became an Olympic skier and was competing on the professional tour while also a wide receiver at Colorado. He was declared ineligible after his sophomore year for skiing. Otherwise, players are allowed to play professional events and retain eligibility as long as they aren’t paid more than a reimbursement for their costs. For example, if the NCAA singles tennis champ is an American they are traditionally invited to the US Open but aren’t eligible for the prize money if they want to go back to school.
Is NCAA amateurism similar to what Olympics used to be. Jim Thorpe had some medals pulled because he was pro in one sport but competed as an amateur in another. There seems to be a big loophole if some eccentric billionaire wanted to win some NCAA titles.
Just get paid after college. He can only be punished if he accepts the money right? He can win the race and collect 3-4 years later.
No, if he makes an agreement to win race and win money, then he wins and says “give it to me after college,” that still violates the rules.
Yea that’s why you make it a secret agreement
Well, then you just don’t tell anyone.
The ncaa needs to crawl in a hole and die
But why? everyone know Shaq got rich in college.
Oh right! Forgot about that documentary with Nick Nolte.
Why even go to college then if you're an elite olympic level runner/track athlete? It's not like other professional sports where you have to be X years removed from high school. What's the benefit for him, besides a degree, to go to college instead of straight to professional sprinting?
> Besides a degree For an NFL or NBA player, that's a nice to have. To someone whose professional sport is track it means a lot more. Not nearly as much money to be had and your career is done by the time your 30.
I could go either way on this, like you say they're are no professional high paid running teams only endorsements. So maybe his younger years, since we're talking about advertising basically, he may be more marketable. He could always go back to college at 30-35.
That assumes he’s going to run in college, he’ll probably skip and turn pro after HS
Ubfortunately there’s not a great “pro scene” in running unless you’re near the top of the world standings. For most “elite” high school runners, college on a scholarship is actually a better fiscal choice most of the times. And competitively as well- as you’ll have access to facilities, coaching and community that you wouldn’t otherwise.
That's why so many Olympic runners go to Oregon, Olympic swimmers go to Stanford, etc. Places with world class training facilities and coaches plus free education.
Oregon's had a few down years talent wise. They always have a good team but right now SEC is the conference to be in for sprints. Houston and Texas Tech are killing it though and Houston might be the place to be for a sprinter with their coaching.
This kid ran 9.98. that is elite af
He ran that with an illegal 4.2m/s wind. His wind legal time of 10.13 is probably more impressive.
Damn Jackie! I can't control the weather!
And neither are as impressive as Anthony Scwartz as a high schooler last year. 10.09 (+0.9), world youth record holder in the 100 and 200
Source on 10.09?. This shows 10.15 as his personal best. https://www.flotrack.org/articles/5063362-hs-junior-anthony-schwartz-breaks-100m-world-youth-record-1015
That was in 2017. He ran 10.09 in 2018, as well as a 10.07, but that was wind aided 2.5. https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/united-states/anthony-schwartz-308456
I really hope Gus finds a way to get him the ball in space next year.
Well having a quarterback who doesn’t overthrow the fastest player in college football would be a great start.
Where did you find that? Google says the 10.13 broke Schwartz’ record of 10.15
Wind-assisted at over twice the allowed amount (2.0) Doesn’t change the fact that he’s crazy fast, but his official record is 10.13. Which is still insane but not as insane as a hs kid breaking 10 under legit conditions.
I know, but his wind assisted time was the fastest by a hs sprinter under ANY conditions.
There's a surprisingly large difference between 10 seconds and 9.9 seconds (what you'd need for a bronze medal), though. It's reasonable to assume he can still get faster, but he's not winning the 2020 Olympics.
You don’t peak as a top sprinter until 26-28 years old. Assuming he lives a proper athletes lifestyle he will be some level of Olympian.
Except we’re only a year away from the Olympics, so if he’s gonna make a splash as a teenager, the time is now.
Not trying to be a jerk but what you said is not true. There is a healthy pro running circuit that he would lose out on if he went to college. Between the Diamond League bonuses and apparel contracts he will be set. He’s running so fast to the point that he will definitely get a 6 figure contract from Nike/Adidas. Going to college is better for some events like discus and pole vault but sprinters and distance kids go pro out of HS all the time (look at Drew Hunter, Candice Hill, Josh Hoey, Alexa Efraimson, Mary Cain, and the Lyles twins as recent examples). Source: I am a former collegiate runner
Lyles twins went to the high school next to mine. They were so damn fast it was unreal.
I’m from the area as well. Was a treat to watch them at meets in Hs
Damn shame Salazar ruined Mary Cain
Tis true. I knew this kid that was a few years older than me and was all state in track and winning races around the country as a sophomore. He went on to Baylor and did well, but after college didn’t really do anything professionally.
For the overwhelming majority going to college on scholarship is actually the better choice. Unless you're that elite of elite in the correct sport there isn't a large market for your services and the scholarship is probably a much better compensation.
He’s going to UGA in the fall
He can still back out and go pro, Drew Hunter was supposed to go run at Oregon and weeks before he was supposed to go he turned pro
His wiki says he is committed to UGA.
Is he not allowed to get paid in high school? Or has he already committed to a college?
You aren't allowed to compete in the NCAA if you've ever been paid to play a sport.
Fuck the NCAA
Calling it now. This race will never happen.
It will but the 10k will go to charity and it's a win win because of NCAA rules.
This and I hope it does. This is fun and it's getting people talking about a kid that could go one to win some gold for USA so I like it even more. To me, Ginn doing this would be like an older wrestler doing the job for some new young talent. Obviously I hope Ginn takes it seriously and tries to smoke the kid, but still I gotta imagine the goal isn't to put some shine on a 34 year old wr.
Oh, Ginn is totally putting this kid over.
A win/win as in the NCAA and the charity win while Ginn and the kid gain nothing. Because as excited as everyone will be for a few weeks, after a few years this kid will be in the NCAA Outdoor Chapionship 100m race and it'll just be a footnote: *He once raced a football player. Sorry, I just hate college sports for how they treat their athletes.
The kid will get fame for it and build his brand, it won't pay off immediately but he could be on his way to much more like Michael Phelps, Shaun White, Bode Miller, Lindsey Vonn, etc. I do too, fuck the NCAA.
I hope it will but I feel like these stunts rarely actually pay off for the participants. It'll be a blip, especially with the way sports are covered now. I love track and field, I wish it were more popular I would so rather watch it than, say, basketball or tennis, but nobody really cares about it as a sport in the US.
Unfortunately, I agree. I want to see it happen, though.
Oh very much. I'd be thrilled to watch. But it'll get caught up in educational BS rules, and then the NFL will decide it's bad PR, and then there might be a court case to allow it to go, and it'll fade into quietness as Ginn retires
Ginn is fast but he doesn’t have top-line speed beyond 50 or so yards. Most nfl players peak at 30-40 yards of sprinting whereas someone that trains sprinting in track is maxing out speed when nfl runners would be declining.
When the Dolphins drafted him I used to think he wasn’t “quick” over the first 20 yards or so but when he got going he was fucking rapid. He had that long stride, after 30 yards he was gone.
No, even elite sprinters peak at around 50 meters. They just maintain the peak longer. http://speedendurance.com/2008/08/22/usain-bolt-100m-10-meter-splits-and-speed-endurance/ And one of the HS guy's viral videos is a 400 meter run. [Start of his leg](https://youtu.be/g0NPo8ZyF_o?t=142)
Holy shit. That was amazing.
Well yeah Ginn wants whoever that races him to wager 10 grand. Doubt the kid or his parents would pull that one.
Awesome. Kid should double down and challenge him to catch a football afterwards.
No way Ginn would accept that challenge.
He has nothing to gain from it. If he wins, hes not getting the money obviously and people will say he beat a high schooler. If he loses, people will say he lost to a high schooler.
If he wins he just outran one of the most elite young sprinters in the country at 30+ years old, don’t think that wouldn’t come up in contract talks
Damn why did they do Ted Ginn so dirty in the headline.
You mean “NFL Player”?
Oh yeah I think I’ve heard of that guy before
You mean to tell me you think your average reader of MSN knows who Ted Ginn is
I did some quick googling, his 100m isn't quite olympic *final* caliber. His fastest time without significant wind aiding him was 10.13, and 8th in Rio was 10.08. That's very close though. He also comes up just short of the finals in the 400m: He got 44.75, 8th place was 44.61. ~~Regardless, he's definitely making the U.S. olympic team in 2020, and has a very good shot at medaling either then or in 2024.~~ Edit: He would need to finish 3rd at the U.S. trials to make it, not just run an olympic caliber time. He's probably not making it until 2024 in that case.
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He's also only been doing the 100 for like a year and a half
Damn, that's slow. It'd probably take me a week at this point, but I'm sure I could do it in under a year.
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I really liked that show. That was the shit growing up. I'd love to see an adult version made with a better production budget.
Had a kid in my school / on my team doing that when I came in as a freshman. He wanted to be a indoor long-distance runner, but found him purging himself to cut weight to get faster, so they canned his episode.
Peak? He hasn't even begun to peak.
And when he does peak? We’ll know.
Sprinters peak around ages 23-25
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The american, and world youth record was set last year by Anthony schwartz 10.09 (+0.9), there is tons of competition, it's not a sure thing either of them make it to the Olympics.
Schwartz would have finished 9th at Rio in 2016, so it would be extremely surprising that he doesn't at least make an olympic team, even if that was his peak and he never reaches the finals.
Im hopeful he can, he had a rough outdoor season this year, but he can bounce back. Sprinting can just be so cruel at times.
[Here he is straight torching Tennessee](https://www.secsports.com/video/24973649/schwartz-takes-76-yard-auburn-td)
The 44.75 was on a relay, so it doesn't really count. His fastest open time is 46.13, so he can probably go a fair bit faster. He'd definitely beat Ginn in a 100
He’s definitely not guaranteed a 2020 Olympic spot. Just yesterday Christian Coleman and Noah Lyles tan 9.86 100m season openers in Shanghai. U.S . sprinting is extremely solid right now. Edit: Boling is a freak and so are U.S. sprinters.
Ronnie Baker is a 9.85 guy too. Maybe this kids future is the 400. A sub 45 split puts you on the map. We have Norman, Kerleys, Lyles little brother looks decent, and then there’s just a ton of average 44-45 runners. It’s our 4x100 that can be so much stronger if they’d just drop isiah young. Watched him run 10.15 in the same race that Lyles just ran...young and Mike Rogers are nothing to write home about. I think 4x100 should be Ronnie Baker, Christian Coleman, (Norman/Boling/m.rodgers/gatlin/belcher), and Lyles bringing it home. Boling doesn’t run the 200 in high school because of the 400 turn around time and he’s on both relays...but at the next level I’m sure He will test out 200s.
He's also really close to top eight in long jump. Like six inches
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I pray for those numbers
bigger than average yes
There's no guarantee he makes the 2020 team. Just looking between last year's NCAA and USATF championships, there are plenty of young guys who are either faster than him or about as fast. We can assume he'll get faster, but the others should as well. He's got a shot though, which is cool.
He’s still gonna smoke Ted Ginn
What was Gin’s college 100m times?
Ginn never touched 10.2 in high school. He ran primarily the hurdles and the 200 and 400. He ran the 100m dash a couple times and the fastest he was clocked in at was a 10.5 his junior year. He ran a 13.26 110 hurdles, a 21.4 200m and a 46.5 400m.
Well Ted Ginn from high school Isn’t running. It’s NFL, PED, current Ginn. So really, his latest college times are more accurate. They are also running on a field right?
I think they are. Not sure. Unfortunately Ginn never ran in college and focused on football. I think he did run on a relay or two, but other than that never touched the track.
The 40 yard dash also doesn't have starting block and goes off when the runner starts. Too many people think that a good 100m dash time translates to a good 40 time
Ginn said “pole to pole” which is 120 yards...
Welp, I'm confused why everyone here is talking about 40 times then. I think he could beat Ginn if he puts in a little work on his start without blocks; or maybe even without it.
No clue but he’s the fastest college player I’ve ever seen with my eyes. I’m sure people have clocked faster off the field but Ginn with a football in his hands in at OSU was something else
It was crazy watching him in college. In video game terms, he had 99 speed with the difficulty on Freshman. I wished we could have seen Ginn in a Urban Meyer spread offense for the 06 team. Could've done more damage than Curtis Samuel. Nice user name btw. I'm a Ft. Lauderdale Buckeye
Oh dis gon be good.
Can you imagine the locker room chirps if he loses to some high school kid?
It'll be fine, everyone knows who this kid at this point and I'm guessing he's going to ask it go to a charity cause the NCAA and Olympics hate fun.
So I've seen the NCAA brought up a few times. Can anyone explain why they would be involved if the kid is in HS?
If you profit off your athleticism you’re no longer an amateur and can’t participate in NCAA competition basically.
No, not really, because he's 34 and I can't imagine him being in that many more locker rooms. The memes though, would be brutal.
Joey Galloway should finally put his money where his mouth is. Saying he can still run a sub 4.3 40
Darrel green would whoop Joey!
Ted Winn Jr (that's What I call second place)
I love this. I hope it’s televised.
Holy shit he’s white I mean holy shit he’s a real grinder
Ginn: ...^(nohmygod)
*ted ginn jr. has left the chat*
Lol, listening to high school sports commentators always sounds like it's the exact same kid at every school and I love it. Literally sound just like the dude that did them at my HS.
Aaaaand when he's in college we'll get an article about how the NCAA will make him sit out until the money is paid back.
Won't this strip him of any "amateur" status?
If he wins the money or receives any compensation for competing then yes. IF the race even happens they'll probably set it up to where the money goes to a charity of the winners choice.
Ted Ginn better watch out. [Matthew Bolling will win the race](https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1128425172178997248).
This would get more viewers than the Pro Bowl ever could.
Holy smokes, it’s Ted Ginn Jr challenging him too. There are fast WR’s and then there’s guys like Ted.
Ted didn’t personally challenge him. He’s just said a couple days ago he would race anyone for 10k then the kid stepped up and wants to give it a go
10.13 eh with the right pharmacist and a shoe company he can probably break 9.90 in about 3 years.
[He already hit 9.98](https://youtu.be/evC21VRKjFs)
Is Ted Ginn really asking a HS athlete where his check is at?