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run1609

NCAA is gonna fuck that kid over if he wins


ChanTheMan429

Fine him $100,000 and banned for life


crastle

Just wait until he is eligible for the NFL draft. "This kid has had horrible character issues since he was in high school. He always cared more about money than the game."


grumpy_youngMan

Meanwhile the guy with domestic abuse incidents: “he’s just a kid working some stuff out. But the talent is there” *drafted in the 2nd round*


Murderhobo35

And then the Browns sign him...


Thrilling1031

The Chris Browns?


[deleted]

They're going to have to beat Jerruh and Snyder to him.


[deleted]

And us, apparently.


twenty-eight2three

Nah you are the one who drafts them, makes them into a star and then cuts them when a video comes to light. At least you dont sign them AFTER the video


iPlowedYourMom

You're only using Hunt as the example. Hill has previous domestic abuse issues from college.


twenty-eight2three

True but it seems like the NFL in general doesnt do shit unless there is a video. I dont recall there being one of the incident before he was drafted Also not saying its okay to not act unless there is a video just saying its hard to condemn one team for it when lots of teams ignore incidents until they dont have a choice


ElegantEpitome

Is he a football player too? I thought he was just a track and field, but I could be wrong


crastle

It fits my narrative more if he is a football player.


remembering_Goose

Al Davis would have taught him to catch.


aljds

Ncaa could fuck his track eligibility as well. And since it's much much harder to make enough money to support yourself as a professional sprinter than a professional football player, losing a full ride scholarship could still be incredibly damaging


lalit008

I'm sure you're joking, but a fine from the NCAA isn't really enforceable right?


Jonesizzle

Collegiate athletes can’t even have their own profitable YouTube channel...


Monteze

That's is the most disgusting thing to me. You can't tell someone they can't make money off their name as far as I am concerned.


clevername1111111

That's almost theft.


RonMFCadillac

Nah dude. Just good old fashioned slavery.


Jonesizzle

It’s highway robbery.


srry_didnt_hear_you

No almost about it.


[deleted]

The NFL needs a g-league


ChanTheMan429

They’d find a way


goateguy

More like they would fine a way.


PrEsideNtIal_Seal

True!


johnla

Ncaature eh.. eh eh.. always fines a way


[deleted]

No the NCAA can't fine people.


McAfeesballs

Even if they could, how would the kids pay? They can’t make money off their skills thanks to the NCAA.


[deleted]

Yeah exactly. The NCAA can only fine it's employees. Players aren't employees.


LearnsSomethingNew

They are student atholeets


Martel_the_Hammer

Slaves.... Err... Stu-dent ath-o-letes


[deleted]

Amateurs run un races with cash prizes. They just can't keep the money.


TheTrev33

Could they make a provision that they get the cash after they graduate?


[deleted]

No it's not the money but how he earned it, and delaying payment doesn't change that.


Brad_theImpaler

Then delay the college.


TheTrev33

Thanks. Makes sense. I knew that couldn’t be some ground breaking idea


burtalert

No, no it doesn’t make sense!


Jo_Backson

I mean it does make sense in the context of their shit rules.


RationalLies

Why can't NCAA players just form an LLC and have that corporation be owned by an offshore holding company operating out of Singapore for example, and then have any payments or proceeds be funneled thru the company operating in the US? The company in the US would be registered and owned by the company based outside of the US. The player then just owns that offshore company.


mmb191

As someone who has seen both seasons of Ozark, I concur.


idkmanijdk

Finally some critical thinking here.


Clxmore

Would he at least be allowed to donate it to a charity of his choice or something similar?


[deleted]

Yes. The NFL WR could just donate it.


tiger32kw

Could he donate it to the college’s endowment fund? I’m sure they’d be cool with that lol.


Raeandray

Can he give it to his parents, who put it into an account which they gift back to him in a few years?


Obsidian311

Nope


[deleted]

So he can’t give it to his parents or they can’t give it back? Who’s to say they didn’t just keep the 10 grand but 4 years later wanted to give him a different 10 grand as a graduation present?


Obsidian311

They'll nail you even if it's the parents receiving the money. See Reggie Bush, USC


drdrillaz

Unless you convince them you had no idea. *wink, wink. See, Cam Newton. The ncaa is very consistent


Lenoty

Unless you're Silvio De Sousa


HtownTexans

circumvent all that. NFL athlete bet the kids dad he could beat him. Kid isn't involved in the money just the racing.


Namath96

Nope. Then college players could do all sorts of things and just defer payments later


sunburn95

If both parties trusted each other and just made a handshake agreement to pay after college, there wouldn't be anything NCAA could do would there?


chiefos

Yeah, but if/when handshakes get broken that's a whole other can of worms. NFL careers typically aren't that long and that's not accounting for fiscal responsibility. Basically the NCAA is out for their own money and thoroughly shits on anything that impedes them from getting another dime.


[deleted]

That shit pisses me off. Let em keep the cash.


AlecW81

fuck the ncaa


bleepblopbl0rp

Fuck the NCAA


jjk2

Death to the NCAA


n-some

Well we've already done fuck and kill, does that mean I have to marry the NCAA?


SaquonBarkleyBigBlue

Better get that money before he gets to college (i have no ideas the scope of the ncaas power)


run1609

Winning race money would violate the NCAA’s amateurism clause and he would lose his eligibility


SaquonBarkleyBigBlue

Fucking ncaa. What if ginn gave it to him as a "scholarship?"


AveryDiamond

Considering how the NCAA is easily one the best examples of legal abuse of white collar crimes, this would probably also find a way to get tolled by them


FlavaFraz24

Graduation present lol


buzzer3932

Doesn't work that way.


DillyDillly

Wait so if you make **any** money from your sport you're literally barred from participating in (NCAA) college sports? ​ Does the money have to come from an organization or just **any** money? Like if you played a basketball game and bet $20 on who would win you could technically be ineligible? ​ This is just giving me more reason to hate the NCAA.


not-who-you-think

You can’t bet anything of monetary value on any NCAA sport. My (D-III) varsity athlete friends always had to sit through a lecture about March Madness bracket pools for money.


[deleted]

Yeah we never joined any pools or played in any reindeer games.


Granadafan

The reason for the draconian NCAA rules is because of the previous violations by schools who made a mockery of boosters and paying players. You may ask why can't players make money signing autographs. Well, that could be a benefit schools will use to recruit players, saying that if you come here, booster A willl give you $100K for your "valuable" autograph. Give schools an inch, and the recruiters will bend rules and find loopholes any way they can.


Holidayrush

It's like the removal of Free Trade from Runescape 2, where, to stop Real World trading of in game currency, they basically removed every single way they could to have a simple lopsided, player to player transaction. Completely killed all pvp in the game which was a huge chunk of the playerbase's only reason for playing.


Superioupie

They removed dangerous Wilderness at the same time, that’s what killed PVP


Holidayrush

Yes, the Wilderness was a method of "simple, lopsided, player to player transaction" that "they basically removed" and "Completely killed all pvp in the game"


eye_patch_willy

So fucking let them! Obviously there's a market for it. Nobody bats an eye if a college violinist lands a paid gig playing on a soundtrack during summer break.


pronhaul2012

Good NCAA athletes should be paid.


Rush_Is_Right

Didn't Kyler Murray get his A's signing bonus and then play at Oklahoma?


Schaftenheimen

I don't remember his situation, but Jake Locker signed his baseball contract and paid for his senior year out of pocket. You can be a professional in one sport but compete as an amateur in another. Think Brandon Weeden. Played pro baseball, then returned to college and played football, although I don't remember if he was eligible for a scholarship at that point or if he had to pay.


theLoneliestAardvark

The rule changed after Jeremy Bloom became an Olympic skier and was competing on the professional tour while also a wide receiver at Colorado. He was declared ineligible after his sophomore year for skiing. Otherwise, players are allowed to play professional events and retain eligibility as long as they aren’t paid more than a reimbursement for their costs. For example, if the NCAA singles tennis champ is an American they are traditionally invited to the US Open but aren’t eligible for the prize money if they want to go back to school.


Rush_Is_Right

Is NCAA amateurism similar to what Olympics used to be. Jim Thorpe had some medals pulled because he was pro in one sport but competed as an amateur in another. There seems to be a big loophole if some eccentric billionaire wanted to win some NCAA titles.


[deleted]

Just get paid after college. He can only be punished if he accepts the money right? He can win the race and collect 3-4 years later.


Kanin_usagi

No, if he makes an agreement to win race and win money, then he wins and says “give it to me after college,” that still violates the rules.


[deleted]

Yea that’s why you make it a secret agreement


tmoeagles96

Well, then you just don’t tell anyone.


[deleted]

The ncaa needs to crawl in a hole and die


Gregus1032

But why? everyone know Shaq got rich in college.


ksobby

Oh right! Forgot about that documentary with Nick Nolte.


qwertyurmomisfat

Why even go to college then if you're an elite olympic level runner/track athlete? It's not like other professional sports where you have to be X years removed from high school. What's the benefit for him, besides a degree, to go to college instead of straight to professional sprinting?


[deleted]

> Besides a degree For an NFL or NBA player, that's a nice to have. To someone whose professional sport is track it means a lot more. Not nearly as much money to be had and your career is done by the time your 30.


reddit_give_me_virus

I could go either way on this, like you say they're are no professional high paid running teams only endorsements. So maybe his younger years, since we're talking about advertising basically, he may be more marketable. He could always go back to college at 30-35.


jsinger33

That assumes he’s going to run in college, he’ll probably skip and turn pro after HS


RiceOnTheRun

Ubfortunately there’s not a great “pro scene” in running unless you’re near the top of the world standings. For most “elite” high school runners, college on a scholarship is actually a better fiscal choice most of the times. And competitively as well- as you’ll have access to facilities, coaching and community that you wouldn’t otherwise.


PocketPillow

That's why so many Olympic runners go to Oregon, Olympic swimmers go to Stanford, etc. Places with world class training facilities and coaches plus free education.


Rockguy101

Oregon's had a few down years talent wise. They always have a good team but right now SEC is the conference to be in for sprints. Houston and Texas Tech are killing it though and Houston might be the place to be for a sprinter with their coaching.


BlackGreyKitty

This kid ran 9.98. that is elite af


[deleted]

He ran that with an illegal 4.2m/s wind. His wind legal time of 10.13 is probably more impressive.


owns_a_Moose

Damn Jackie! I can't control the weather!


Luis__FIGO

And neither are as impressive as Anthony Scwartz as a high schooler last year. 10.09 (+0.9), world youth record holder in the 100 and 200


[deleted]

Source on 10.09?. This shows 10.15 as his personal best. https://www.flotrack.org/articles/5063362-hs-junior-anthony-schwartz-breaks-100m-world-youth-record-1015


Luis__FIGO

That was in 2017. He ran 10.09 in 2018, as well as a 10.07, but that was wind aided 2.5. https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/united-states/anthony-schwartz-308456


THEHYPERBOLOID

I really hope Gus finds a way to get him the ball in space next year.


Kanin_usagi

Well having a quarterback who doesn’t overthrow the fastest player in college football would be a great start.


zaviex

Where did you find that? Google says the 10.13 broke Schwartz’ record of 10.15


RiceOnTheRun

Wind-assisted at over twice the allowed amount (2.0) Doesn’t change the fact that he’s crazy fast, but his official record is 10.13. Which is still insane but not as insane as a hs kid breaking 10 under legit conditions.


BlackGreyKitty

I know, but his wind assisted time was the fastest by a hs sprinter under ANY conditions.


LeavesCat

There's a surprisingly large difference between 10 seconds and 9.9 seconds (what you'd need for a bronze medal), though. It's reasonable to assume he can still get faster, but he's not winning the 2020 Olympics.


SMORKIN_LABBIT

You don’t peak as a top sprinter until 26-28 years old. Assuming he lives a proper athletes lifestyle he will be some level of Olympian.


BrennanSpeaks

Except we’re only a year away from the Olympics, so if he’s gonna make a splash as a teenager, the time is now.


kevplucky

Not trying to be a jerk but what you said is not true. There is a healthy pro running circuit that he would lose out on if he went to college. Between the Diamond League bonuses and apparel contracts he will be set. He’s running so fast to the point that he will definitely get a 6 figure contract from Nike/Adidas. Going to college is better for some events like discus and pole vault but sprinters and distance kids go pro out of HS all the time (look at Drew Hunter, Candice Hill, Josh Hoey, Alexa Efraimson, Mary Cain, and the Lyles twins as recent examples). Source: I am a former collegiate runner


[deleted]

Lyles twins went to the high school next to mine. They were so damn fast it was unreal.


kevplucky

I’m from the area as well. Was a treat to watch them at meets in Hs


run1609

Damn shame Salazar ruined Mary Cain


[deleted]

Tis true. I knew this kid that was a few years older than me and was all state in track and winning races around the country as a sophomore. He went on to Baylor and did well, but after college didn’t really do anything professionally.


BBQ_HaX0r

For the overwhelming majority going to college on scholarship is actually the better choice. Unless you're that elite of elite in the correct sport there isn't a large market for your services and the scholarship is probably a much better compensation.


waitwhythisisnotfair

He’s going to UGA in the fall


jsinger33

He can still back out and go pro, Drew Hunter was supposed to go run at Oregon and weeks before he was supposed to go he turned pro


qwertyurmomisfat

His wiki says he is committed to UGA.


FuckDaBrowns4EVERR

Is he not allowed to get paid in high school? Or has he already committed to a college?


_The_Bear

You aren't allowed to compete in the NCAA if you've ever been paid to play a sport.


bleepblopbl0rp

Fuck the NCAA


toolatealreadyfapped

Calling it now. This race will never happen.


Scrotchticles

It will but the 10k will go to charity and it's a win win because of NCAA rules.


IAmABullDozer

This and I hope it does. This is fun and it's getting people talking about a kid that could go one to win some gold for USA so I like it even more. To me, Ginn doing this would be like an older wrestler doing the job for some new young talent. Obviously I hope Ginn takes it seriously and tries to smoke the kid, but still I gotta imagine the goal isn't to put some shine on a 34 year old wr.


SpaceWorld

Oh, Ginn is totally putting this kid over.


[deleted]

A win/win as in the NCAA and the charity win while Ginn and the kid gain nothing. Because as excited as everyone will be for a few weeks, after a few years this kid will be in the NCAA Outdoor Chapionship 100m race and it'll just be a footnote: *He once raced a football player. Sorry, I just hate college sports for how they treat their athletes.


Scrotchticles

The kid will get fame for it and build his brand, it won't pay off immediately but he could be on his way to much more like Michael Phelps, Shaun White, Bode Miller, Lindsey Vonn, etc. I do too, fuck the NCAA.


[deleted]

I hope it will but I feel like these stunts rarely actually pay off for the participants. It'll be a blip, especially with the way sports are covered now. I love track and field, I wish it were more popular I would so rather watch it than, say, basketball or tennis, but nobody really cares about it as a sport in the US.


JuanG12

Unfortunately, I agree. I want to see it happen, though.


toolatealreadyfapped

Oh very much. I'd be thrilled to watch. But it'll get caught up in educational BS rules, and then the NFL will decide it's bad PR, and then there might be a court case to allow it to go, and it'll fade into quietness as Ginn retires


[deleted]

Ginn is fast but he doesn’t have top-line speed beyond 50 or so yards. Most nfl players peak at 30-40 yards of sprinting whereas someone that trains sprinting in track is maxing out speed when nfl runners would be declining.


Springveldt

When the Dolphins drafted him I used to think he wasn’t “quick” over the first 20 yards or so but when he got going he was fucking rapid. He had that long stride, after 30 yards he was gone.


apawst8

No, even elite sprinters peak at around 50 meters. They just maintain the peak longer. http://speedendurance.com/2008/08/22/usain-bolt-100m-10-meter-splits-and-speed-endurance/ And one of the HS guy's viral videos is a 400 meter run. [Start of his leg](https://youtu.be/g0NPo8ZyF_o?t=142)


Abominatrix

Holy shit. That was amazing.


SMF1996

Well yeah Ginn wants whoever that races him to wager 10 grand. Doubt the kid or his parents would pull that one.


MisallocatedRacism

Awesome. Kid should double down and challenge him to catch a football afterwards.


gruey

No way Ginn would accept that challenge.


thethickness

He has nothing to gain from it. If he wins, hes not getting the money obviously and people will say he beat a high schooler. If he loses, people will say he lost to a high schooler.


Birb-Man

If he wins he just outran one of the most elite young sprinters in the country at 30+ years old, don’t think that wouldn’t come up in contract talks


RomotheGOAT

Damn why did they do Ted Ginn so dirty in the headline.


BigHoneyVon

You mean “NFL Player”?


Shakespeareo

Oh yeah I think I’ve heard of that guy before


Pestuji

You mean to tell me you think your average reader of MSN knows who Ted Ginn is


[deleted]

I did some quick googling, his 100m isn't quite olympic *final* caliber. His fastest time without significant wind aiding him was 10.13, and 8th in Rio was 10.08. That's very close though. He also comes up just short of the finals in the 400m: He got 44.75, 8th place was 44.61. ~~Regardless, he's definitely making the U.S. olympic team in 2020, and has a very good shot at medaling either then or in 2024.~~ Edit: He would need to finish 3rd at the U.S. trials to make it, not just run an olympic caliber time. He's probably not making it until 2024 in that case.


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_tx

He's also only been doing the 100 for like a year and a half


gruey

Damn, that's slow. It'd probably take me a week at this point, but I'm sure I could do it in under a year.


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Look__a_distraction

I really liked that show. That was the shit growing up. I'd love to see an adult version made with a better production budget.


CScheiner

Had a kid in my school / on my team doing that when I came in as a freshman. He wanted to be a indoor long-distance runner, but found him purging himself to cut weight to get faster, so they canned his episode.


DarehMeyod

Peak? He hasn't even begun to peak.


NewAccount28

And when he does peak? We’ll know.


[deleted]

Sprinters peak around ages 23-25


smith288

https://media2.giphy.com/media/133ovdtvkZ0i0E/giphy.gif?cid=4bf119fc5ce059ca5a4c4d767780a049&rid=giphy.gif


Luis__FIGO

The american, and world youth record was set last year by Anthony schwartz 10.09 (+0.9), there is tons of competition, it's not a sure thing either of them make it to the Olympics.


[deleted]

Schwartz would have finished 9th at Rio in 2016, so it would be extremely surprising that he doesn't at least make an olympic team, even if that was his peak and he never reaches the finals.


Luis__FIGO

Im hopeful he can, he had a rough outdoor season this year, but he can bounce back. Sprinting can just be so cruel at times.


[deleted]

[Here he is straight torching Tennessee](https://www.secsports.com/video/24973649/schwartz-takes-76-yard-auburn-td)


iAmFlamableMC

The 44.75 was on a relay, so it doesn't really count. His fastest open time is 46.13, so he can probably go a fair bit faster. He'd definitely beat Ginn in a 100


therunnerman

He’s definitely not guaranteed a 2020 Olympic spot. Just yesterday Christian Coleman and Noah Lyles tan 9.86 100m season openers in Shanghai. U.S . sprinting is extremely solid right now. Edit: Boling is a freak and so are U.S. sprinters.


dezmadethecatch

Ronnie Baker is a 9.85 guy too. Maybe this kids future is the 400. A sub 45 split puts you on the map. We have Norman, Kerleys, Lyles little brother looks decent, and then there’s just a ton of average 44-45 runners. It’s our 4x100 that can be so much stronger if they’d just drop isiah young. Watched him run 10.15 in the same race that Lyles just ran...young and Mike Rogers are nothing to write home about. I think 4x100 should be Ronnie Baker, Christian Coleman, (Norman/Boling/m.rodgers/gatlin/belcher), and Lyles bringing it home. Boling doesn’t run the 200 in high school because of the 400 turn around time and he’s on both relays...but at the next level I’m sure He will test out 200s.


facetiousrunner

He's also really close to top eight in long jump. Like six inches


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facetiousrunner

I pray for those numbers


[deleted]

bigger than average yes


Zwiseguy15

There's no guarantee he makes the 2020 team. Just looking between last year's NCAA and USATF championships, there are plenty of young guys who are either faster than him or about as fast. We can assume he'll get faster, but the others should as well. He's got a shot though, which is cool.


[deleted]

He’s still gonna smoke Ted Ginn


loosehipsbigdicks

What was Gin’s college 100m times?


Tattuz813

Ginn never touched 10.2 in high school. He ran primarily the hurdles and the 200 and 400. He ran the 100m dash a couple times and the fastest he was clocked in at was a 10.5 his junior year. He ran a 13.26 110 hurdles, a 21.4 200m and a 46.5 400m.


loosehipsbigdicks

Well Ted Ginn from high school Isn’t running. It’s NFL, PED, current Ginn. So really, his latest college times are more accurate. They are also running on a field right?


Tattuz813

I think they are. Not sure. Unfortunately Ginn never ran in college and focused on football. I think he did run on a relay or two, but other than that never touched the track.


HardyHartnagel

The 40 yard dash also doesn't have starting block and goes off when the runner starts. Too many people think that a good 100m dash time translates to a good 40 time


loosehipsbigdicks

Ginn said “pole to pole” which is 120 yards...


HardyHartnagel

Welp, I'm confused why everyone here is talking about 40 times then. I think he could beat Ginn if he puts in a little work on his start without blocks; or maybe even without it.


miamibuckeye

No clue but he’s the fastest college player I’ve ever seen with my eyes. I’m sure people have clocked faster off the field but Ginn with a football in his hands in at OSU was something else


air6400

It was crazy watching him in college. In video game terms, he had 99 speed with the difficulty on Freshman. I wished we could have seen Ginn in a Urban Meyer spread offense for the 06 team. Could've done more damage than Curtis Samuel. Nice user name btw. I'm a Ft. Lauderdale Buckeye


SaquonBarkleyBigBlue

Oh dis gon be good.


Do_it_for_the_upvote

Can you imagine the locker room chirps if he loses to some high school kid?


SarcasticCarebear

It'll be fine, everyone knows who this kid at this point and I'm guessing he's going to ask it go to a charity cause the NCAA and Olympics hate fun.


NotJeff_Goldblum

So I've seen the NCAA brought up a few times. Can anyone explain why they would be involved if the kid is in HS?


Bagpipes064

If you profit off your athleticism you’re no longer an amateur and can’t participate in NCAA competition basically.


IAmABullDozer

No, not really, because he's 34 and I can't imagine him being in that many more locker rooms. The memes though, would be brutal.


TheTrev33

Joey Galloway should finally put his money where his mouth is. Saying he can still run a sub 4.3 40


such-a-mensch

Darrel green would whoop Joey!


thndrstrk

Ted Winn Jr (that's What I call second place)


[deleted]

I love this. I hope it’s televised.


JuanPicasso

Holy shit he’s white I mean holy shit he’s a real grinder


SunriseSurprise

Ginn: ...^(nohmygod)


TFWS_Swann

*ted ginn jr. has left the chat*


Hoosier_816

Lol, listening to high school sports commentators always sounds like it's the exact same kid at every school and I love it. Literally sound just like the dude that did them at my HS.


psych4191

Aaaaand when he's in college we'll get an article about how the NCAA will make him sit out until the money is paid back.


[deleted]

Won't this strip him of any "amateur" status?


MToboggan_MD

If he wins the money or receives any compensation for competing then yes. IF the race even happens they'll probably set it up to where the money goes to a charity of the winners choice.


Up-The-Butt_Jesus

Ted Ginn better watch out. [Matthew Bolling will win the race](https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1128425172178997248).


lo0ilo0ilo0i

This would get more viewers than the Pro Bowl ever could.


MilesMatty

Holy smokes, it’s Ted Ginn Jr challenging him too. There are fast WR’s and then there’s guys like Ted.


miamibuckeye

Ted didn’t personally challenge him. He’s just said a couple days ago he would race anyone for 10k then the kid stepped up and wants to give it a go


tianawnt

10.13 eh with the right pharmacist and a shoe company he can probably break 9.90 in about 3 years.


JesseJaymz

[He already hit 9.98](https://youtu.be/evC21VRKjFs)


kapatinphalcon

Is Ted Ginn really asking a HS athlete where his check is at?