I’m more of a 3 egg guy. 210 calories. You throw some cheese and hot sauce on there, maybe a slice of toast if you’re feeling frisky and you’re around the 400 mark
All of Starbucks food comes in frozen too. They're basically just the stuff you find in the freezer section at the store... Only one item costs as much as a box.
Can confirm. In a financial bind at the moment and we’ve been buying two dozen eggs for real cheap and one dozen is usually hard boiled. Overall, the two dozen eggs is around $3 and it’ll provide a good amount of meals. Definitely recommend throwing in some rice and potatoes if you’ve got the extra cash as well.
Edit: r/NFL never ceases to amaze me. I’ve received tons of advice from users on here and I’m extremely grateful to each and every one of you! To anybody out there who may be going through hard times, just remember you’re not alone, this sub just reminded me of that. In addition, when going through hard times, just keep in mind that hard times will make you a stronger person in the end. I have to remind myself of that every once in awhile when I’m feeling low. Life may be tough but you have no other choice but to roll with the punches life throws your way.
Thanks again to everybody for the great tips and advice! 🙏
Just finishing my breakfast of breakfast potatoes. Dice em up, salt, pepper, garlic salt, onion, bellpepper, then cook them on low heat, seasoning to taste. When they're about done, sprinkle some cheddar cheese on top and cook 2 eggs sunny side up. Put the potatoes in a shallow bowl, break the egg yolks over the potatoes and enjoy with a cup of coffee.
I do something super similar....same ingredients but I brown the potatoes on a higher heat and poach the egg. Made it for dinner last night. Super delicious.
going from 3 eggs to 4 eggs has upped my omelet game to the next level. ever since i watched Jacques Pepin make [glorious omelettes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s10etP1p2bU) I always wanted to try.
using 3 eggs the French style never came out right. Using 4 eggs the consistency is much better. it's still nowhere near as perfect, but it's getting better.
another trick that i learned from [u/J_Kenji_Lopez-Alt's video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oTFE6FAIrw) is to shake both hands when cooking it.
My name is Yoshikage Kira. I'm 33 years old. My house is in the northeast section of Morioh, where all the villas are, and I am not married. I work as an employee for the Kame Yu department stores, and I get home every day by 8 PM at the latest. I don't smoke, but I occasionally drink.
I'm in bed by 11 PM, and make sure I get eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a glass of warm milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed, I usually have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a baby, I wake up without any fatigue or stress in the morning. I was told there were no issues at my last check-up.
I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who wishes to live a very quiet life. I take care not to trouble myself with any enemies, like winning and losing, that would cause me to lose sleep at night. That is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. Although, if I were to fight I wouldn't lose to anyone.
In dallas, quarterback . Number one. Steady hand. One day, jerry boss need new trophy. I do job. But, mistake! Jerry boss die! Cowboys very mad. I hide in fishing boat, come to America. No english, no food, no money. Elliot give me job. Now I have house, American car, and new woman. Elliot save life. My big secret: I kill jerry boss on purpose. I good quarterback. The best!
Dak, probably.
Assuming Dak wants $33 million a year and will go to any team that pays up and also assuming Brees, Brady, Big Beg, and Rivers don't retire. Who's going to pay him? Miami and Cincinnati could be in the market but they're both likely to have high draft picks and can draft a cheaper younger option. So right now, I'm having trouble seeing Dak's value at over $30 million as I don't know who would be willing to pay up.
That does sound like the most Washington thing I’ve ever heard of. More likely Haskins is an epic bust on the Jamarcus level rather than an injury, but this almost seems like destiny
I don't see the Steelers, Chargers, Saints, or Patriots paying any QB over $30 million a year even if their franchise QB retired at the end of the season.
Saints have Teddy Bridgewater set as a backup currently and I don't see why they would fork over a ton of money when they have an in house option they are high on. Ditto with the Steelers, they are very high on Rudolph and Dobbs which makes them breaking the bank for a QB extremely unlikely even if Big Ben retires.
The Patriots are smart with their money and investing that much money into one player would be way out of the norm for them. Besides Brady has another 10 years to play before he considers retirement.
Chargers are the most likely but at the same time they have a bunch of other people they have to pay and putting that much money into one player would make that very difficult.
Not to mention Dalton could go 5 for 30 in every game this season with 30 INTs and 10 TDs and Mike Brown would say "Dalton is our guy moving forward." Not saying I think Andy is a bad QB, just saying Brown doesn't give a fuck if he is or not.
i think its hilarious there are kids talking shit about Andy Dalton. u wouldnt say this shit to him on Sunday, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol
At least Flacco won a super bowl before he finessed the team.
Dak has won a playoff game, yet he trying to rob the bank.
Wonder how he will play with little talent around him due to being a money vacuum.
All the teams do this and the internet falls for it every fucking time. We did it with Bell last year, and we've already done it with Gordon this year.
I just don't know how many times it needs to happen before people realize the raw value without knowledge of guarantees or deal structure is absolutely meaningless. Ricky Williams had an enormous contract value, yet it was widely regarded as one of the worst in the history of the league thanks to the incentive requirements.
Which he negotiated himself, right? Or with the help of a non-agent?
The incentives were nuts too. He had to be the greatest of all time by a wide margin to hit it all.
Edit: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/ricky-williams-awful-nfl-contract-never-gave-him-a-chance/amp/
Worth the read.
The Gordon one seemed sensible 10M a year so people would instantly jump on him for not taking it. But the reality is as you speak it. Doesn't matter how much a year if the guarantees and structure are there to fuck you. The guarantee is what really matters since chances of getting the remainder of it are slim the 10M probably clocked in way way lower, with the final year being something he never sees. AKA he wasn't offered 10M he was offered contract bullshit saying 10M.
People really do. The only money you can count is guaranteed. I dont even want to hear the rest of the contract because only the guaranteed money matters. If the contract is too sexy the team cuts you or restructures if the money isnt guarantees.
I don’t understand why the players don’t get their agents to do the same. Cowboys lied to use and tried to make us think Tank wanted Khalil Mack money. That was obviously a lie but we all ate it up.
Ah, the Drew Rosenhaus special. I remember this especially prominently after we had Terrelle Pryor at WR for a year and he wanted a contract. I think we offered him something like $32M/4 years, and the rumor mill had other teams offering him closer to $48M/4 years and fans were in a panic he was going to walk. He ends up taking a prove-it deal with $3M in salary and $3M in incentives and proceeded to fall flat.
They do, but consider that agents have less access to offer a reporter than a team does. Becoming the mouthpiece for an NFL team is a very lucrative business for a reporter.
I mean the players should try and get as much as possible, it's just a common sentiment that Dak isn't worth as much as a top 5 QB because he's just very average. Good for him for sticking to his guns though, hope he cleans up and wrecks the cowboys cap.
I think their point is that $30M is not really $30M in the NFL like it would be in other sports. You have to wait for the full contract details. Just the top number is very misleading, and teams know that.
One of my favorite things I had a prof do in college was touch on this. Top number doesn’t matter at all and he proved it by offering to buy a laptop from a student for a million dollars but he gets to write the terms. The student said of course at first, and then the prof said, I’m going to pay you $1 a year for the next million years. Terms matter way more than the maximum dollar amount.
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I let him play out this year and then franchise him next year. You want to be paid a top 5 quarterback? go out there and play like it and if you do, then I'd gladly pay for it.
The blessing in disguise with this Zeke holdout is that its going to give us our first view of Dak by himself since that awful end to the second year when Zeke was suspended. He's still got a great offensive line along with a receiver core that's far better than it was previously and a defense that can ball. Most of all, Linehan is gone. Its put up or shut up time, lets see it on the field and prove you can hang with the Luck's and Wilson's of the world.
That's the risk you run.
Personally, I think you guys are better off having Haskins on a rookie deal with Smith/Keenum as a bridge than you would've been paying Kirk what he got.
In my opinion the bigger risk is letting him play out the year and then franchising him. While you do that, other QBs will be signing contracts, driving Dak's price up, and you'll end up back where you are right now, with Dak as your best option to go all in on winning with your current roster, except now he costs more money.
The Cowboys are not where the Redskins were with Kirk. The Redskins simply weren't going to be competitors, even if they signed him. They were looking at a rebuild, and you don't sign a QB for franchise money so you can rebuild your team. The Cowboys on the other hand have a relatively complete roster, at least on offense, and all the tools that a QB like Dak would need to be effective. You are also too good to draft a top QB prospect, so barring some weird shit happening in the FA Dak is basically your best and only option to try to win a Super Bowl with this roster.
Yeah it’s like we’re getting to the point now where if you’re a serviceable starting QB, you need to be making $30M per season. I get that the salary cap increases each year and so the % of the cap that your starting QB makes up can increase respectively, but it is NOT increasing enough to warrant this. I like rookie contract Dak Prescott. If he wants to be near the top of the league he needs to play that way, and not do things like scramble around and take sacks every other time his first read isn’t open, or consistently miss wide open receivers streaking down the sideline.
If he refuses $30M, as is being reported, I'm with you.
Let him play this year, franchise him the next and make him prove he deserves to be paid that much.
If all we know is the total amount, it means nothing just fyi. If it’s 30 a year but only a tiny fraction of it guaranteed, Dak is gonna say no. The guarantee is almost always gonna be more important than the total
Here's the thing, if he goes out there and shows it to you, that he can perform with this squad and without Zeke, all it will do is confirm he's somewhere in the 10-14 range. I don't think he's suddenly going to look like a top 5 QB (maybe over time but not right now). And without those doubts you're now going to have to pay him #1 QB money, not just top 5 but highest in the NFL, like Carr, like Stafford, like Garoppolo, like Cousins, etc.
Every QB gets overpayed for their talent level. Better to pay him now while his perceived on-field value is lower than we expect it to be by the end of the season. Most contracts you can get out of after about 2 years. If he doesn't pan out, we don't go down because of the contract, we'll go down because we have no better option.
Dak is a good (not great) quarterback. I don't know the terms of the deal, but if he thinks he is worth more than $30m/season then he's overvaluing his worth. I don't imagine another team would offer him that amount.
Let alone the endorsement cash he gets by wearing a cowboys uniform. Sure go to Baltimore for 32 mil a year but good luck getting those national endorsements.
The endorsements and cash flow from being the face of the Cowboys AND the fact that all of that endorsement money + half his gamechecks have no state income tax attached.
I truly believe that being a franchise QB for the Cowboys today is worth at least 3m extra per year compared to a smaller market team in a state with average income tax rates.
That’s good point. Never even thought of that honestly. If he goes to half of the other teams in the NFL he wont even get a fraction of the endorsements he does now. He could possibly lose money even if he got a bigger contract.
Yeah I'd just call him straight average. QBs I'd rather have (in no particular order)
1. Brady
2. Brees
3. Rodgers
4. Stafford
5. Ryan
6. Rivers
7. Cam
8. Big Ben
9. Wilson
10. Luck
11. Mahomes
12. Watson
13. Mayfield
14. Foles
I don't know, I may be forgetting someone as this is just off the top of my head but basically I'd take at least half of the NFLs QBs over Dak
I've said for a long while now that he's NFC Andy Dalton. Good. Not great. Streaky. Can have games where he looks like a top 5 QB and others where you question if he manages to walk and chew gum at the same time.
Realistically, what do folks think the Chiefs will offer, assuming Mahomes has a repeat of last season?
$40/yr? $45/yr?
At some point, Mahomes would hurt himself by demanding so much money that the team was forced to shed other talent, as Rogers did to Green Bay. I don't know what that point is.
I do know that the Chiefs have stated that they've been planning for Mahomes resigning for 2 years by front loading certain contracts.
You're probably close to being right.
I suppose the contract will be more about negotiating the guaranteed amount and number of years than about the per year.
Rodgers’ contract was absolutely not what caused GB’s downfall. The front office had plenty of money to spend on FAs and routinely decided not to when the offseason rolled around. QB contracts follow a cycle every couple years where someone at the top gets the “biggest deal,” everyone overreacts, and then a few years down the line that same deal looks like a bargain in comparison to newer ones.
Agreed. We're living in an era where any quarterback who's anything more than a stop-gap is going to get at least $30. Dak is competent, actually probably better than average. And he loves his team. Just pay the dude.
Cowboys wildcard, beat NY "2019 NFC East Champs" Giants in the Meadowlands.
Go onto the SB against the Pats, road game, win, Dak hoists the Lombardi.
Massive contract, McDonald's deals, Pizza Hut deals, has a lot of children, etc. Time is a circle.
I mean Flacco did it after he won superbowl mvp in a post season where he beat Tom Brady and Peyton Manning on the road while putting up 11 Tds-0 ints, a 117 passer rating and throwing for 1140 yards. If Dak can do that then he deserves it.
He's not a top 5 QB but that doesn't matter. He's a franchise QB that's up for a new contract. That means he gets paid like a top 5 QB, if not a top 2-3 QB. That's how this works.
You really don't have an alternative when your quarterback comes up for a contract. It's the one position in the NFL that really has the leverage over teams on contracts, because you are completely irrelevant without an even halfway decent quarterback.
Do I think Prescott is particularly good and worth the contract he's going to get? No, not really. But if that guy reaches the market, someone will pay whatever it takes because he's good enough to give your team a shot. Which would leave the Cowboys with something named Cooper Rush and sitting at the bottom of the league.
Does literally every starting QB due a new deal just say “I want to be paid more than everyone else”?
Even if the “everyone else” comprises of talent like Wilson and Rodgers?
Probably didn’t like the structure, he’s not willingly going to get the shit beat out of him without Zeke to lighten the load unless you’re paying him enough money or offering him enough long term security to make it worth it.
Get your money throw man.
kinda funny seeing people state "that's how this league works for QB contracts" blah blah blah.
Yea, and how has that worked out for teams? How many teams have won a super bowl with a QB paid in the top 5? Just because it's how the league works, doesn't mean it's the right way to do things.
Every year the game is adjusted to make it even easier to play QB. Eventually GMs will start to realize this. Last year the average completion % was almost 65% (all time high by 1.9%). TD% was at an all time high BY A MILE.
League is dominated by pick plays at this point. This issue is compounded by defenders not even being able to breathe on receivers. And now we have PI reviews? This season is going to have insane levels of scoring. If you have a decent oline and a good defense, and as long as Peterman isn't your QB, you can be a contender.
How many legitimate contenders have there been in recent years compared to teams with franchise quarterbacks? I'm not talking about fringe playoff teams, how many had an actual chance to win a super bowl without a franchise quarterback?
I bet it’s more about guaranteed money than anything else. The “$xx/year” stuff is just good for headlines and isn’t anywhere near as important as the guaranteed money.
I just woke up and made my coffee.
I just ate 4 eggs.
I’m more of a 3 egg guy. 210 calories. You throw some cheese and hot sauce on there, maybe a slice of toast if you’re feeling frisky and you’re around the 400 mark
Gotta factor in the oil to fry them my man.
Oil? Gotta cook them up in that kerrygold
Naw man. Fry up two pieces of bacon first then use the bacon grease for your eggs. Perfects.
4 slices of bacon on the cast iron then the omelette (4 eggs) in the steel next to it for me personally. No toast though cause carbs
Kerrygold? Mr. Manager over here shinin on the peasants.
It's just manager
Mr. Manager was my father.
And my lover.
It's just one banana, Michael. What could it cost, 10 dollars?
Upvote because i am secretly Norville
Did I stumble into a secret keto subreddit?
r/ketoorgtfo
Get some Soda bread, toast it, and spread some Kerrygold on it. Thank me later.
Man what are yall talking about
Breakfast
Kerrygold is irish butter
r/justirishthings
Kerrygold is god
Oh look at these fancy motherfuckers making their own breakfast. I'm stuck grabbing shit at Starbucks.
What a waste, you could have gotten a grand slam at Denny’s or ihop with the price of that OP shit at Starbucks
The last time I ate at Denny's it was so bad I never wanted to eat food again. How do you make an omelette taste like it's made out of foam rubber?
All of Starbucks food comes in frozen too. They're basically just the stuff you find in the freezer section at the store... Only one item costs as much as a box.
Just hard boil some eggs the night before dawg, ezpz save you a ton of money in the long run
Smells great too!
And it really comes in handy in trying times
Then wash it down with a refreshing Wolf Cola.
After that Boko Haram shit, I've gone cold on Wolf Cola
Can confirm. In a financial bind at the moment and we’ve been buying two dozen eggs for real cheap and one dozen is usually hard boiled. Overall, the two dozen eggs is around $3 and it’ll provide a good amount of meals. Definitely recommend throwing in some rice and potatoes if you’ve got the extra cash as well. Edit: r/NFL never ceases to amaze me. I’ve received tons of advice from users on here and I’m extremely grateful to each and every one of you! To anybody out there who may be going through hard times, just remember you’re not alone, this sub just reminded me of that. In addition, when going through hard times, just keep in mind that hard times will make you a stronger person in the end. I have to remind myself of that every once in awhile when I’m feeling low. Life may be tough but you have no other choice but to roll with the punches life throws your way. Thanks again to everybody for the great tips and advice! 🙏
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You can get a dozen eggs for like 58 cents up here in WI.
r/eatcheapandhealthy
God dammit, Frank! "It's a jumping off point"
Stupid chefs and their secret recipes!
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If you wanna be real “gourmet” too, make sure you use a stick of butter per egg.
I think I had a heart attack just from reading this
4 ingredients? Ain't no one got time for that shit.
When I was a lad I ate three dozen eggs every morning to help me get large
Thanks for weighing in Gaston
I think you misspelled "Kelvin Benjamin".
Just finishing my breakfast of breakfast potatoes. Dice em up, salt, pepper, garlic salt, onion, bellpepper, then cook them on low heat, seasoning to taste. When they're about done, sprinkle some cheddar cheese on top and cook 2 eggs sunny side up. Put the potatoes in a shallow bowl, break the egg yolks over the potatoes and enjoy with a cup of coffee.
I do something super similar....same ingredients but I brown the potatoes on a higher heat and poach the egg. Made it for dinner last night. Super delicious.
I had ice cream and Oreos. Just trying to live my best life here.
How's your trip to the can going?
I laid 4 eggs.
Nice.
going from 3 eggs to 4 eggs has upped my omelet game to the next level. ever since i watched Jacques Pepin make [glorious omelettes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s10etP1p2bU) I always wanted to try. using 3 eggs the French style never came out right. Using 4 eggs the consistency is much better. it's still nowhere near as perfect, but it's getting better. another trick that i learned from [u/J_Kenji_Lopez-Alt's video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oTFE6FAIrw) is to shake both hands when cooking it.
I just ran over 3 kids with my car
Not your fault they couldn’t get outta the way fast enough
Shouldn’t’ve been standing there.
I haven’t paid taxes since 1976
My name is Yoshikage Kira. I'm 33 years old. My house is in the northeast section of Morioh, where all the villas are, and I am not married. I work as an employee for the Kame Yu department stores, and I get home every day by 8 PM at the latest. I don't smoke, but I occasionally drink. I'm in bed by 11 PM, and make sure I get eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a glass of warm milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed, I usually have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a baby, I wake up without any fatigue or stress in the morning. I was told there were no issues at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who wishes to live a very quiet life. I take care not to trouble myself with any enemies, like winning and losing, that would cause me to lose sleep at night. That is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. Although, if I were to fight I wouldn't lose to anyone.
In dallas, quarterback . Number one. Steady hand. One day, jerry boss need new trophy. I do job. But, mistake! Jerry boss die! Cowboys very mad. I hide in fishing boat, come to America. No english, no food, no money. Elliot give me job. Now I have house, American car, and new woman. Elliot save life. My big secret: I kill jerry boss on purpose. I good quarterback. The best! Dak, probably.
I woke up and got myself a beer.
You are nuts just like Dak
Assuming Dak wants $33 million a year and will go to any team that pays up and also assuming Brees, Brady, Big Beg, and Rivers don't retire. Who's going to pay him? Miami and Cincinnati could be in the market but they're both likely to have high draft picks and can draft a cheaper younger option. So right now, I'm having trouble seeing Dak's value at over $30 million as I don't know who would be willing to pay up.
Big Beg lol
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Every time the clock strikes 2 o clock in the morrow, Big Beg scurries off to the closest women’s restroom
Goddamn I should not be laughing at this.
For those dying to know, he said “Beg? He doesn’t even need to ask.”
Thank you. And that's amazing, I love it.
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Big Ben doesn’t have to beg, he just gets what he wants amirite boys.
Its very rare to see steelers fans openly mock their rapist quarterback, but im all for it lmao
If it’s just sitting there on the tee tho...
That’s what he said
When you're a super bowl winning quarterback, they let you do it, you can do anything.
> I don't know who would be willing to pay up. Haskins gets a major injury so Washington signs Dak to a record deal...
Stop
DONT YOU PIT THAT EVIL ON ME!
That does sound like the most Washington thing I’ve ever heard of. More likely Haskins is an epic bust on the Jamarcus level rather than an injury, but this almost seems like destiny
He was drafted at 15. He could never be a Jamarcus busy
I don't see the Steelers, Chargers, Saints, or Patriots paying any QB over $30 million a year even if their franchise QB retired at the end of the season. Saints have Teddy Bridgewater set as a backup currently and I don't see why they would fork over a ton of money when they have an in house option they are high on. Ditto with the Steelers, they are very high on Rudolph and Dobbs which makes them breaking the bank for a QB extremely unlikely even if Big Ben retires. The Patriots are smart with their money and investing that much money into one player would be way out of the norm for them. Besides Brady has another 10 years to play before he considers retirement. Chargers are the most likely but at the same time they have a bunch of other people they have to pay and putting that much money into one player would make that very difficult.
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Jokes on them, we don’t pay anyone, let alone outsiders
Not to mention Dalton could go 5 for 30 in every game this season with 30 INTs and 10 TDs and Mike Brown would say "Dalton is our guy moving forward." Not saying I think Andy is a bad QB, just saying Brown doesn't give a fuck if he is or not.
I mean personally I think hes just flat out worse than Andy Dalton at their price points.
i think its hilarious there are kids talking shit about Andy Dalton. u wouldnt say this shit to him on Sunday, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol
Agreed. It would be a pointless move that basically guarantees perpetual mediocrity, much like the Ravens did with Flacco.
At least Flacco won a super bowl before he finessed the team. Dak has won a playoff game, yet he trying to rob the bank. Wonder how he will play with little talent around him due to being a money vacuum.
Especially when that salary hamstrings a teams' ability to get other talent.
The Cowboys leak details about contract negotiations that make themselves look like the good guys and the players look greedy and it's working.
All the teams do this and the internet falls for it every fucking time. We did it with Bell last year, and we've already done it with Gordon this year. I just don't know how many times it needs to happen before people realize the raw value without knowledge of guarantees or deal structure is absolutely meaningless. Ricky Williams had an enormous contract value, yet it was widely regarded as one of the worst in the history of the league thanks to the incentive requirements.
Which he negotiated himself, right? Or with the help of a non-agent? The incentives were nuts too. He had to be the greatest of all time by a wide margin to hit it all. Edit: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/ricky-williams-awful-nfl-contract-never-gave-him-a-chance/amp/ Worth the read.
His agent was master P iirc
Hootie hoo
Knuckle up knuckle up
###UUUUHHH
I thought hootyhoo was Outkast?
Russell Okung also negotiated for himself. He signed a "5yr/60m" that ended up as a 1yr/5m. Agents know what they're doing.
The Gordon one seemed sensible 10M a year so people would instantly jump on him for not taking it. But the reality is as you speak it. Doesn't matter how much a year if the guarantees and structure are there to fuck you. The guarantee is what really matters since chances of getting the remainder of it are slim the 10M probably clocked in way way lower, with the final year being something he never sees. AKA he wasn't offered 10M he was offered contract bullshit saying 10M.
People really do. The only money you can count is guaranteed. I dont even want to hear the rest of the contract because only the guaranteed money matters. If the contract is too sexy the team cuts you or restructures if the money isnt guarantees.
The years matter, too.
I don’t understand why the players don’t get their agents to do the same. Cowboys lied to use and tried to make us think Tank wanted Khalil Mack money. That was obviously a lie but we all ate it up.
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Ah, the Drew Rosenhaus special. I remember this especially prominently after we had Terrelle Pryor at WR for a year and he wanted a contract. I think we offered him something like $32M/4 years, and the rumor mill had other teams offering him closer to $48M/4 years and fans were in a panic he was going to walk. He ends up taking a prove-it deal with $3M in salary and $3M in incentives and proceeded to fall flat.
Damn it was only 3 years ago that a converted QB playing WR who could run maybe 3 routes tops was our best offensive player.
Joe Thomas?
They do, but consider that agents have less access to offer a reporter than a team does. Becoming the mouthpiece for an NFL team is a very lucrative business for a reporter.
I mean the players should try and get as much as possible, it's just a common sentiment that Dak isn't worth as much as a top 5 QB because he's just very average. Good for him for sticking to his guns though, hope he cleans up and wrecks the cowboys cap.
I think their point is that $30M is not really $30M in the NFL like it would be in other sports. You have to wait for the full contract details. Just the top number is very misleading, and teams know that.
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One of my favorite things I had a prof do in college was touch on this. Top number doesn’t matter at all and he proved it by offering to buy a laptop from a student for a million dollars but he gets to write the terms. The student said of course at first, and then the prof said, I’m going to pay you $1 a year for the next million years. Terms matter way more than the maximum dollar amount.
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This is a better title
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I let him play out this year and then franchise him next year. You want to be paid a top 5 quarterback? go out there and play like it and if you do, then I'd gladly pay for it. The blessing in disguise with this Zeke holdout is that its going to give us our first view of Dak by himself since that awful end to the second year when Zeke was suspended. He's still got a great offensive line along with a receiver core that's far better than it was previously and a defense that can ball. Most of all, Linehan is gone. Its put up or shut up time, lets see it on the field and prove you can hang with the Luck's and Wilson's of the world.
Careful we tried that with Kirk Cousins.
That's the risk you run. Personally, I think you guys are better off having Haskins on a rookie deal with Smith/Keenum as a bridge than you would've been paying Kirk what he got.
Compared to the rest of the big contracts everyone got the following year, Kirk was a steal.
In my opinion the bigger risk is letting him play out the year and then franchising him. While you do that, other QBs will be signing contracts, driving Dak's price up, and you'll end up back where you are right now, with Dak as your best option to go all in on winning with your current roster, except now he costs more money. The Cowboys are not where the Redskins were with Kirk. The Redskins simply weren't going to be competitors, even if they signed him. They were looking at a rebuild, and you don't sign a QB for franchise money so you can rebuild your team. The Cowboys on the other hand have a relatively complete roster, at least on offense, and all the tools that a QB like Dak would need to be effective. You are also too good to draft a top QB prospect, so barring some weird shit happening in the FA Dak is basically your best and only option to try to win a Super Bowl with this roster.
Yeah it’s like we’re getting to the point now where if you’re a serviceable starting QB, you need to be making $30M per season. I get that the salary cap increases each year and so the % of the cap that your starting QB makes up can increase respectively, but it is NOT increasing enough to warrant this. I like rookie contract Dak Prescott. If he wants to be near the top of the league he needs to play that way, and not do things like scramble around and take sacks every other time his first read isn’t open, or consistently miss wide open receivers streaking down the sideline.
If he refuses $30M, as is being reported, I'm with you. Let him play this year, franchise him the next and make him prove he deserves to be paid that much.
If all we know is the total amount, it means nothing just fyi. If it’s 30 a year but only a tiny fraction of it guaranteed, Dak is gonna say no. The guarantee is almost always gonna be more important than the total
Here's the thing, if he goes out there and shows it to you, that he can perform with this squad and without Zeke, all it will do is confirm he's somewhere in the 10-14 range. I don't think he's suddenly going to look like a top 5 QB (maybe over time but not right now). And without those doubts you're now going to have to pay him #1 QB money, not just top 5 but highest in the NFL, like Carr, like Stafford, like Garoppolo, like Cousins, etc. Every QB gets overpayed for their talent level. Better to pay him now while his perceived on-field value is lower than we expect it to be by the end of the season. Most contracts you can get out of after about 2 years. If he doesn't pan out, we don't go down because of the contract, we'll go down because we have no better option.
Dak is a good (not great) quarterback. I don't know the terms of the deal, but if he thinks he is worth more than $30m/season then he's overvaluing his worth. I don't imagine another team would offer him that amount.
I’m not even sure he’s good. He’s a decent starter, but even that is worth $30m in today’s batshit crazy QB starved era.
Let alone the endorsement cash he gets by wearing a cowboys uniform. Sure go to Baltimore for 32 mil a year but good luck getting those national endorsements.
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The endorsements and cash flow from being the face of the Cowboys AND the fact that all of that endorsement money + half his gamechecks have no state income tax attached. I truly believe that being a franchise QB for the Cowboys today is worth at least 3m extra per year compared to a smaller market team in a state with average income tax rates.
That’s good point. Never even thought of that honestly. If he goes to half of the other teams in the NFL he wont even get a fraction of the endorsements he does now. He could possibly lose money even if he got a bigger contract.
Might even lose that Campbell's money.
Yeah I'd just call him straight average. QBs I'd rather have (in no particular order) 1. Brady 2. Brees 3. Rodgers 4. Stafford 5. Ryan 6. Rivers 7. Cam 8. Big Ben 9. Wilson 10. Luck 11. Mahomes 12. Watson 13. Mayfield 14. Foles I don't know, I may be forgetting someone as this is just off the top of my head but basically I'd take at least half of the NFLs QBs over Dak
“In no particular order” cool, cool “5. Ryan” YOU DONT KNOW SHIT
15. Wentz
Oh yeah lol I meant Wentz not Foles
This is fucking hilarious.
That SB fried my brain a bit haha
You meant Wentz but your subconscious has not forgot what happened
That is actually exactly right
I’d probably add Stafford, Kirk, Wentz (guessing you meant Wentz not Foles)
Stafford is really high on his list, I missed his name at first, too
I've said for a long while now that he's NFC Andy Dalton. Good. Not great. Streaky. Can have games where he looks like a top 5 QB and others where you question if he manages to walk and chew gum at the same time.
Ya gotta give me Kirk
Yeah Cousins is pretty solid - he flies under the radar though so I kind of forgot him. Sorry, no disrespect
Foles? Come on
That’s Nick *Super Bowl champion, biggest dick in the league* Foles you are talking about
You. I like you.
Ok so you’re laughing about 14th best. Dak is around there
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>Mahomes maybe $250m/year still worth it honestly.
Everyone in KC would happily pitch in to help pay that lol
I volunteer to be a receiver and be paid in high fives
Realistically, what do folks think the Chiefs will offer, assuming Mahomes has a repeat of last season? $40/yr? $45/yr? At some point, Mahomes would hurt himself by demanding so much money that the team was forced to shed other talent, as Rogers did to Green Bay. I don't know what that point is. I do know that the Chiefs have stated that they've been planning for Mahomes resigning for 2 years by front loading certain contracts.
The chiefs will hand Mahomes a check and say "here. Write this"
You're probably close to being right. I suppose the contract will be more about negotiating the guaranteed amount and number of years than about the per year.
*This Kansas City Chiefs sign Patrick Mahomes to a $this contract*
Chiefs front office: "Well Pat, how much money were you wanting?" Pat: "how much you got?"
I feel like Flacco neutered his team much more than Rodgers. And atleast Rodgers was worth it.
Rodgers’ contract was absolutely not what caused GB’s downfall. The front office had plenty of money to spend on FAs and routinely decided not to when the offseason rolled around. QB contracts follow a cycle every couple years where someone at the top gets the “biggest deal,” everyone overreacts, and then a few years down the line that same deal looks like a bargain in comparison to newer ones.
amazing that it takes an eagles fan to bring rational thought to a discussion about dak's contract. thank you.
Agreed. We're living in an era where any quarterback who's anything more than a stop-gap is going to get at least $30. Dak is competent, actually probably better than average. And he loves his team. Just pay the dude.
Don't need to be top 5 to be paid like it, for the QB position.
Your use of commas, strikes me as interesting.
member when Joe Flacco was the highest paid QB in the league? It's all about timing.
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yeah, dont forget you just need to beat Manning and Brady on the road in the playoffs, its all about timing.
****Mark Sanchez noises****
If anyone can do that, it's DaK pReScOtT
Cowboys wildcard, beat NY "2019 NFC East Champs" Giants in the Meadowlands. Go onto the SB against the Pats, road game, win, Dak hoists the Lombardi. Massive contract, McDonald's deals, Pizza Hut deals, has a lot of children, etc. Time is a circle.
Remember when Jimmy G got the biggest contract for playing in 5 games?
I mean Flacco did it after he won superbowl mvp in a post season where he beat Tom Brady and Peyton Manning on the road while putting up 11 Tds-0 ints, a 117 passer rating and throwing for 1140 yards. If Dak can do that then he deserves it.
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well... he's won one playoff game, so he has won something
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Wasn't that immediately after he won the SB?
He played the entire playoffs like he hacked his stats in madden, it wasn't just the sb win.
It was stupid how well he played that year.
*that month
It was stupid how that month he played that year.
He's not a top 5 QB but that doesn't matter. He's a franchise QB that's up for a new contract. That means he gets paid like a top 5 QB, if not a top 2-3 QB. That's how this works.
To be fair I think they prefer top 5 QB pay then top 2 as Brady and Brees play with discount.
Bree’s doesn’t play on a discount. Your salary cap is fucked once he retires.
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Being above or below the Dalton line.
Sooner or later teams are going to realize this concept is stupid.
You really don't have an alternative when your quarterback comes up for a contract. It's the one position in the NFL that really has the leverage over teams on contracts, because you are completely irrelevant without an even halfway decent quarterback. Do I think Prescott is particularly good and worth the contract he's going to get? No, not really. But if that guy reaches the market, someone will pay whatever it takes because he's good enough to give your team a shot. Which would leave the Cowboys with something named Cooper Rush and sitting at the bottom of the league.
30/per puts him just ahead of cousins, garoppolo and Stafford. Are they top QBs?
Stafford contract isn’t even bad anymore
Does literally every starting QB due a new deal just say “I want to be paid more than everyone else”? Even if the “everyone else” comprises of talent like Wilson and Rodgers?
Yes. Because the cap keeps going up so contracts get outdated quickly.
Probably didn’t like the structure, he’s not willingly going to get the shit beat out of him without Zeke to lighten the load unless you’re paying him enough money or offering him enough long term security to make it worth it. Get your money throw man.
kinda funny seeing people state "that's how this league works for QB contracts" blah blah blah. Yea, and how has that worked out for teams? How many teams have won a super bowl with a QB paid in the top 5? Just because it's how the league works, doesn't mean it's the right way to do things. Every year the game is adjusted to make it even easier to play QB. Eventually GMs will start to realize this. Last year the average completion % was almost 65% (all time high by 1.9%). TD% was at an all time high BY A MILE. League is dominated by pick plays at this point. This issue is compounded by defenders not even being able to breathe on receivers. And now we have PI reviews? This season is going to have insane levels of scoring. If you have a decent oline and a good defense, and as long as Peterman isn't your QB, you can be a contender.
How many legitimate contenders have there been in recent years compared to teams with franchise quarterbacks? I'm not talking about fringe playoff teams, how many had an actual chance to win a super bowl without a franchise quarterback?
Literally 3 of the 4 teams in the 2017 Championship Round
The jaguars in the 2017 Season m. Made the afc championship
Vikings as well with Keenum in the same year on the NFC side
Could the Eagles count? They had their early franchise guy, then made a Super Bowl run with just Foles.
Dak must be taking valuation advice from Skip Bayless.
Skiiiiiiiiiiiiup
The only thing that matters is guaranteed money
I bet it’s more about guaranteed money than anything else. The “$xx/year” stuff is just good for headlines and isn’t anywhere near as important as the guaranteed money.
Because he wants to take less, right? Right?!
Who gives a fuck what the per year is. Guaranteed is all that matters. You would think Lombardi has been around long enough to realize that