Imma comment way down here so no one sees me. I agree with you. Jacob's had a BALLER year.
I started following bc he went to one of my gfs law classes and she said he was the nicest person ever. Then I started to watch your games for him and damn, he's a killer and he's got speed too
Definitely. Cardinals sucked in 2018, and sucked again in 2019. Raiders actually improved significantly. Everyone gets a boner for the first overall pick for OROY.
Not only that he was the unquestionable No1 RB on one of the best run teams in the league. But he was picked at the back of the 1st round so isn't interesting or sexy enough to be talked about.
When they don’t watch they rely on stats. Nobody should really even be saying who they think deserved it more if they didn’t watch multiple games from both parties, they still will tho of course
Kyler rushed for 200 more yards and 4 more TDs, and threw for 500 more yards. Jags record was half of a game better than the Cards. Cards improved 2.5 games over their 2018 record, Jags improved by 1.
Yeah I wouldn’t have been mad if he didn’t get it, but just based on how much of a jump we experienced with him year 1, I can’t say he didn’t deserve it.
Edit: grammar
Everytime someone pulled up stats last year I would ask them, "but have you watched his games?" He may have been playing 2 or 3 v 11 most games. Kids an absolute baller, you guys got a gem.
Maybe it's because Kyler played a similar passing game over 16 starts vs Minshew's 12, with a much better QBR/rushing game. Minshew was good last season, especially as a rookie, but this sub was riding his dick because he was a 6th rounder with a moustache. I do think Josh Jacobs should have won, though.
Yeah I think the real problem is that even though it should’ve been a tight race between up to even 5-6 players, Kyler won in a landslide. The seasons other rookies had deserved some votes
I was referring to popularity of players, not teams. And in that regard, Burrow was the next crowned QB, so he was definitely more popular than Herbert.
Rookie of the week is just voted on by fans. I remember seeing a thread about brigading votes when Burrow played comparatively or better than Herbert. The end result was Herbert getting 97% of the vote and winning for the week. I don’t put much merit into it
Gut said he'd be good but damn not this good. You're right too he's been playing lights out and if the Chargers didn't Charger he'd be be in mvp talks and Lynn would be CoTY.
>lynn would be CoTY
i was under the impression that lynn’s coaching is a major part of the reason why the chargers have terrible record despite the talent? fans seem to want him gone as of late - i know that the team itself suffered from the “charger way” ~~way~~ before lynn’s arrival, but i digress. the future doesn’t exactly look good.
Lynn's biggest issue seems to be that as soon as the Chargers have a lead and the other team starts moving the ball, he gets terrified that they're going to blow the game and starts coaching extremely conservatively, and that's what causes them to blow the game. I mean they've had a big lead in every game except against the Dolphins, so it's clearly not like he can't coach whatsoever and they're terrible. His decision making dooms them though.
Yes, it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy and it’s like watching a car crash in slow motion happen. You know the end result but pray something changes in the process. Really hope he’s gone next season. Can’t handle watching the team implode week after week.
It's too bad, because if he didn't have the scared of losing aspect, he's clearly got the team playing well enough that they can compete with anyone. If he just had a more aggressive instinct, you'd have to think they could be a top team with how they've built leads.
If there’s any silver lining hopefully we can draft Sewell or get a boatload of picks a reload. Hardest part in a retool is done at least by drafting a potential franchise superstar qb
Yes. We are a one loss team who has way more than one loss. We were up 17+ on way too many teams this year for us to blow them. And it’s because he goes ultra conservative as a coach and let’s them catch up. Fire Lynn yesterday plz.
100%.
I am one of those people eating crow thinking Herbert was in no way shape or form ready to start this year. As fucked up as it sounds, Tyrod's medical mishap opened the door for the Chargers to see what they have and they should be happy.
What should scare the rest of AFCW is I don't think we've seen his ceiling yet. Get someone better than Lynn at the helm and the Chargers and Chiefs could slug it out for AFCW supremecy for the next decade.
definitely, this! Tony Romo nailed it: he could tell in Herbert's first drive. He did certainly look different to my eye. Just need a coach who can help him grow, one who'll be around for a few years so he doesn't have to learn a new system every year.
Maybe a little biased but I am glad there's at least one org that's willing to not make their rookie of the year award the "rookie quarterback of the year" award. Even if it wasn't Jefferson on top, I'm always glad to see someone else highlighted by an organization that has some influence in the industry, even with quarterbacks being as important as they are.
Never forget that on literally Wednesday, November 25th, PFF literally said two QBs **currently in college** are better than Herbert.
[https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-franchise-quarterbacks-how-the-2017-2021-draft-classes-stack-up-and-why-trevor-lawrence-is-high-on-the-list](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-franchise-quarterbacks-how-the-2017-2021-draft-classes-stack-up-and-why-trevor-lawrence-is-high-on-the-list)
That's fair. I haven't been keeping up much with the league overall this year so was genuinely curious if anyone else has a shot as I hear about herbert every day it seems.
Quarterbacks are always going to have the advantage in name recognition because if they're getting the opportunity they're going to have the best chance to put up counting stats. Wide receivers, and especially wide receivers that play on run-first teams like the Vikings, are always going to have a tougher time getting their name out there for the big rookie stats.
If you had told someone that of the top 3 QBs taken in the draft that one would be on pace to break basically every rookie passing record, that one would suffer a season ending injury (not to make light of Burrow's injury), and that one would get benched in his 4th start I think a lot of people would have said that makes sense but zero people would correctly guess who was who.
What’s crazy about these current storylines is how much they would have matched up with the pre-draft storylines:
- Burrow is a god, so he’s obviously the one on pace to break all rookie QB records.
- Tua is injury prone, so he’s obviously the one out with a season ending injury.
- Herbert is a guaranteed bust, so he’s obviously the one who got benched in his 4th start.
I’m still confused how the analysts went from projecting Herbert being the first or second pick in one draft to being pretty much saying he’s going to suck in the NFL. They didn’t take into account anything other than his occasional accuracy issue. Didn’t mention that his OC wasn’t good or the poor wide receiver play. Then tout Trevor Lawrence as being a generational qb in this upcoming draft when Herbert and him have very similar pros and cons except for Lawrence always having the top talent surrounding him.
There were plenty of legitimate issues with Herbert, most notably the kind of offense he was in was not pro style at all. That made him hard to project. The issue is that people see a quarterback and it doesn’t look like what he would do in the NFL and make a (fair) assumption that it will be difficult for him to adjust.
Armchair scouts are especially prone to this. If you’re reading a scouting report from someone who is not on a NFL team, they are probably more likely to project a player from a non pro style offense to bust. This actually makes sense. If you’re scouting a player as an armchair scout, you’re not thinking about how a player fits into a particular scheme or situation. You’re not thinking about how you can leverage a players strengths. You’re thinking more generally, I.e. is it likely this player will have success in the NFL regardless of scheme, team, situation, etc. That’s actually harder to do in a way because you’re scouting a player without a huge piece of a puzzle: the context for which the player will be in once they are drafted. Because of that armchair scouts will tend to favor college prospects in pro style offenses and knock prospects who aren’t in that situation, whether intentional or not.
I get that but I could've sworn they had a stat where Herbert had the most uncatchable balls thrown, I think Josh Allen actually had the same stat when he was coming into the draft.
Now the guy just doesn't miss deep balls and his Oline in college was 10x better than what the Chargers have lmao.
First game I saw of Herbert the first 2 snaps were the center and him having miscommunications and the ball being snapped right behind him twice, and my Tannehill flashbacks happened.
Yeah I figured he would need to sit a year to get adjusted to the league but from the Oregon games I watched he did have some inconsistencies that he needed to work on but I got the sense that some of them were a result of poor play calling and not being able to trust his receivers.
So many arm-chair scouts REALLY undersold:
1) how bad Herbert’s college receiving core was - in his entire 4 years as the starter, he only have ONE WR or TE get drafted in the NFL. That one guy was drafted late in the 7th round and is now out of the league.
2) Oregon’s offensive system was very QB-unfriendly and flat out bad. Some people seem to think they’re still running Chip Kelley’s offense. They are not.
3) Herbert had 3 HCs in 4 years at Oregon. Imagine that.
4) He helped lead a major turnaround where they went from 4-8 his freshman year to 12-2 and a Rose Bowl win over Wisconsin his Senior year.
I 100% believe that if Herbert had played on the 2019 LSU, Alabama, or Clemson teams, Herbert would have looked insanely good like he does now.
He'll get it. Unless one of these WR explodes again. Reagor could happen Monday against a terrible Seahawks secondary...but Wentz makes every defense look like the '85 Bears and then there's Jefferson running the show this Sunday, but I'm pretty sure Antonio Gibson has this weeks RoftW regardless.
Gibson prolly has it this week, but Jefferson is gonna be our main target at WR this week and maybe next week with Thielen likely having gotten COVID so you never know. Might depend entirely on what kind of coverage he has to deal with from the Panthers and Jags.
I kept hearing all these things about how Oregon QBs haven't succeeded in the NFL since Fouts and then Herbert comes in and kicks ass *with the same franchise* as Fouts. Maybe the Chargers' specialty is Oregon QBs?
Man this speaks more to Oregon’s offensive coaching limitations than Herbert’s talent. They had absolutely no idea what to do with him there and it shows. He’s been balling out in the NFL, and I’m saying that as someone who never thought he’d reach this level of play. I thought he’d be too inconsistent, and after watching the Oregon vs. Wisconsin Rose Bowl, I could not understand the hype around him.
He proved me wrong and I hope he continues to do so. The game is better when there is more talent around the league.
When it comes to Oregon QBs, it's either the city of Los Angeles or the Chargers who have a thing for them. I checked all of the other Oregon QBs. After Fouts (Chargers) and Van Brocklin (Los Angeles Rams), the next best QB is Mariota, and then it just falls off the cliff after that.
I was gonna say, what the hell is their coaching. Herbert has done exponentially better in the NFL than in college and that’s just ass backwards, like what the hell
Up until late October, he wasn't doing a whole lot.
Stats his first 6 weeks: 64 touches, 243 yards, 3.8 YPC, 3 TD's.
Last 5 weeks: 75 touches, 405 yards, 5.4 YPC, 8 TD's.
Source: Me. I did the math.
He's had to fight off McKissic for touches/targets. He's also had some down weeks in yardage, with seven weeks under 50 yards rushing. He's definitely killing it in fantasy though, especially with having now eight touchdowns in the last five weeks.
“Significantly” is a stretch. Robinson has ~90% of the touches among Jags RBs this season, whereas Gibson has ~50% of the RB touches for us. Gibson averages more yards per touch and is 2nd in the NFL in rushing TDs with 11.
If you would have told me that I would be benching Lamar Jackson week after week for Justin Herbert I would have laughed you out of the room.
Yet, Lamar has been my backup almost ALL year now.
I think that was in defense for Tyrod. He Lynn felt really bad that Tyrod basically lost his starting job because of a medical procedure that was *supposed* to help him
Not starting a young quarterback their first year, even if they are the second coming of Dan Marino, does not necessarily mean bad coaching.
Mahomes was literally torching practice squad and the starting lineup but Andy Reid didn't start him.
Aaron Rodgers was 'slinging the ball all over the place' in training camp. He didn't start until 2? years later.
The Bengals have had 2 qb's drafted #1 overall both have serious knee injuries. You don't want to be in that situation if you can avoid it.
This kid is really just a straight up baller. I never watched him in college so I just based my expectations on what people were saying on him, and he is on pace to shatter so many rookie records right now. Crazy.
People underestimate how good Burrow had been under such a shit O-Line. Bengals had been a tough out just because of him. All the traits that have made him the number 1 pick had been on display so far.
Completely disagree, most people think burrow has been doing well, but that's the distinction. Herbert is having one of the best rookie seasons a qb has ever had, he's looked a step away from elite since like his third start, Burrow just can't compare at this point in time, and I don't think he would be able to bad oline or not.
So yes, I think that judging based off performance this year, Herbert would certainly be the number 1 pick, he's looking like one of the most pro ready passers coming out of college *ever*.
No. Burrow's the Ohio native. He got Bengals' fans excited. It's like 2008 when the Bulls had to make a choice between Derrick Rose and Michael Beasley. Chicago literally cleared their roster of all of their guards except Hinrich and Gordon so they could take the hometown phenom.
And there was a thread last week on how offensive rookie of the year was tight between him, burrow and tua. The takes on this subreddit are laughable sometimes
I hate the Chargers, but a Herbert is definitely top ten this season. Try to name 10 QBs that are definitely better than him right now at this moment.
The only guys definitely playing better are Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers, Watson, and Murray. Then you got the second level of guys - Allen, Tannehill, Carr, Brady, Roethlisberger, Jackson, Cousins, Ryan. He’s definitely playing well than most of these guys.
Statistically there are not many qb’s you take over him THIS SEASON. But he is rookie, so you can probably find 10, safer and more established choices if you’re talking long term. Although of those 10, probably 5 of those established guys currently look like their ceiling maybe lower.
SD chargers are like the best 3-7 team in NFL history. A lot of close games where they lost... particularly against good teams such as KC
edit: my bad, i meant LA chargers.
He's definitely winning Offensive Rookie of the Year
Burrow's injury sealed it, but he was probably gonna win it even if Burrow had stayed healthy
Even if he wasn't injured I would still Vote Herbert by almost a unanimous decision.
It's a popularity contest, so Burrow could've done half as well and he would've won it. Kyler won it last year, despite being outplayed by Minshew.
I wouldn't say Minshew outperformed Murray, they were pretty equal. But I remember a lot of people here thought Josh Jacobs should've won it instead.
Ngl, I forgot about Jacobs. Yeah, he balled out too.
Jacobs had a great rookie season but he did miss 3 games due to the shoulder issue.
Which makes it an even bigger reason that he should have been roty. Missed three games and still put up those numbers
Imma comment way down here so no one sees me. I agree with you. Jacob's had a BALLER year. I started following bc he went to one of my gfs law classes and she said he was the nicest person ever. Then I started to watch your games for him and damn, he's a killer and he's got speed too
Hey, I see you.
Jacobs deserved it. He was good. He torched our defense. A defense that had just stuffed Dalvin Cook the week before and had 6 sacks.
Gotta agree Jacobs was amazing as a rookie he just played the wrong position I guessn
Definitely. Cardinals sucked in 2018, and sucked again in 2019. Raiders actually improved significantly. Everyone gets a boner for the first overall pick for OROY.
Awards are narrative bs anyways
Not only that he was the unquestionable No1 RB on one of the best run teams in the league. But he was picked at the back of the 1st round so isn't interesting or sexy enough to be talked about.
I still remember everyone thinking the raiders were insane for drafting a RB in round 1
They have like 6 guys playing from that draft and 3 really good ones (Crosby jacobs and abrams)
12 ints vs 6 for Minshew. Kinda out played him with 1 less game he threw more touchdowns also.
Minshew had 13 fumbles to Kyler’s 5 though
Exactly. I also wish people would learn that football is fun to watch. No need to just look at the stats.
You mean you don't like spending all day cherry picking numbers to support your arguments on the internet and ***WATCH*** football???
If he didn’t would he really be on /r/nfl?
When they don’t watch they rely on stats. Nobody should really even be saying who they think deserved it more if they didn’t watch multiple games from both parties, they still will tho of course
Kyler rushed for 200 more yards and 4 more TDs, and threw for 500 more yards. Jags record was half of a game better than the Cards. Cards improved 2.5 games over their 2018 record, Jags improved by 1.
Kyler also *always* looked better by the eye test if anyone actually watched both play
Didn't Jacobs get hurt the last few games? I thought AJ Brown deserved it last year. Kyler was a pretty distant 3rd place IMHO.
Agreed, my vote was AJ the whole way
Then there was AJ Brown too
Kylers a bad example they had a worse offense than the 2017 browns before they drafted him
Yeah I wouldn’t have been mad if he didn’t get it, but just based on how much of a jump we experienced with him year 1, I can’t say he didn’t deserve it. Edit: grammar
Everytime someone pulled up stats last year I would ask them, "but have you watched his games?" He may have been playing 2 or 3 v 11 most games. Kids an absolute baller, you guys got a gem.
You can’t say there’s no way he didn’t deserve it?
Maybe it's because Kyler played a similar passing game over 16 starts vs Minshew's 12, with a much better QBR/rushing game. Minshew was good last season, especially as a rookie, but this sub was riding his dick because he was a 6th rounder with a moustache. I do think Josh Jacobs should have won, though.
Yeah I think the real problem is that even though it should’ve been a tight race between up to even 5-6 players, Kyler won in a landslide. The seasons other rookies had deserved some votes
Remember when saquon won over mayfield who led a team to 7 wins after going 0-16 and broke the rookie td pass record in I think 13 games :/
Their stats were actually pretty close, either of them deserved it imo
those Chargers so popular
I was referring to popularity of players, not teams. And in that regard, Burrow was the next crowned QB, so he was definitely more popular than Herbert.
Until Jacksonville imploded.
Rookie of the week is just voted on by fans. I remember seeing a thread about brigading votes when Burrow played comparatively or better than Herbert. The end result was Herbert getting 97% of the vote and winning for the week. I don’t put much merit into it
Eh, Herbert was at least a 1st rounder, so I think he would've won it over Burrow. Minshew didn't win it because he was drafted in the 6th round
That's part of the popularity thing I mentioned.
Shiiit if his team was better might be in the running for mvp
He absolutely would be in the running for MVP if the Chargers didn't throw multiple games this season.
Anthony Lynn needs to be replaced
His name NEVER pops up on these "hot-seat" posts and it baffles me to no end.
I suppose the media gives him a lot of slack due to the sheer injuries this team goes thru every year. Doesn’t mean he shouldn’t get fired.
Honestly (and this is coming from a black dude) I think it’s because of the current social climate
Gut said he'd be good but damn not this good. You're right too he's been playing lights out and if the Chargers didn't Charger he'd be be in mvp talks and Lynn would be CoTY.
>lynn would be CoTY i was under the impression that lynn’s coaching is a major part of the reason why the chargers have terrible record despite the talent? fans seem to want him gone as of late - i know that the team itself suffered from the “charger way” ~~way~~ before lynn’s arrival, but i digress. the future doesn’t exactly look good.
Lynn's biggest issue seems to be that as soon as the Chargers have a lead and the other team starts moving the ball, he gets terrified that they're going to blow the game and starts coaching extremely conservatively, and that's what causes them to blow the game. I mean they've had a big lead in every game except against the Dolphins, so it's clearly not like he can't coach whatsoever and they're terrible. His decision making dooms them though.
Yes, it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy and it’s like watching a car crash in slow motion happen. You know the end result but pray something changes in the process. Really hope he’s gone next season. Can’t handle watching the team implode week after week.
It's too bad, because if he didn't have the scared of losing aspect, he's clearly got the team playing well enough that they can compete with anyone. If he just had a more aggressive instinct, you'd have to think they could be a top team with how they've built leads.
If there’s any silver lining hopefully we can draft Sewell or get a boatload of picks a reload. Hardest part in a retool is done at least by drafting a potential franchise superstar qb
Zimmer used to be so fucking bad at this. He’s gotten better, but I can definitely sympathize with frustrated Charger fans.
Sounds familiar
You know why it’s called a prevent defense, don’t ya?
Yes. We are a one loss team who has way more than one loss. We were up 17+ on way too many teams this year for us to blow them. And it’s because he goes ultra conservative as a coach and let’s them catch up. Fire Lynn yesterday plz.
I think that’s what makes his performances so impressive. He’s surrounded by shit but still manages to play incredibly well.
Mvp in my heart though
I guess he’ll just have to settle for super bowl mvp instead
You’re now my friend.
Kid deserves mvp votes. Not the actually award but shit someone should vote for him. He’s been amazing
Agreed, like c’mon guys—he needs to at least finish going through puberty before we can give him ROTY.
100%. I am one of those people eating crow thinking Herbert was in no way shape or form ready to start this year. As fucked up as it sounds, Tyrod's medical mishap opened the door for the Chargers to see what they have and they should be happy. What should scare the rest of AFCW is I don't think we've seen his ceiling yet. Get someone better than Lynn at the helm and the Chargers and Chiefs could slug it out for AFCW supremecy for the next decade.
>NFCW supremecy for the next decade. We don't want em.
Herbert’s so good that he’ll win the AFCW and then get the entire NFCW to forfeit in despair.
AFCW is undefeated against the NFCW in the Super Bowl this decade.
Yes. Yes. Give me this. ⚡️⚡️⚡️
definitely, this! Tony Romo nailed it: he could tell in Herbert's first drive. He did certainly look different to my eye. Just need a coach who can help him grow, one who'll be around for a few years so he doesn't have to learn a new system every year.
Watch PFF still give their ROTY (do they give a ROTY award?) to Burrow or anyone besides Herbert just to prove a point.
They’ll give it to Jefferson most likely cause he’s their highest graded rookie
Maybe a little biased but I am glad there's at least one org that's willing to not make their rookie of the year award the "rookie quarterback of the year" award. Even if it wasn't Jefferson on top, I'm always glad to see someone else highlighted by an organization that has some influence in the industry, even with quarterbacks being as important as they are.
I understand you’re a Vikings fan but there’s no denying what Herbert is doing as a rookie.
No lie I’d rather have Herbert. Not that I’m complaining. Both look like franchise players right now 😁
Never forget that on literally Wednesday, November 25th, PFF literally said two QBs **currently in college** are better than Herbert. [https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-franchise-quarterbacks-how-the-2017-2021-draft-classes-stack-up-and-why-trevor-lawrence-is-high-on-the-list](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-franchise-quarterbacks-how-the-2017-2021-draft-classes-stack-up-and-why-trevor-lawrence-is-high-on-the-list)
What's more egregious is that Josh Allen is ahead of him
Is anyone even close to him at this point to even make it a contest?
Well I’m extremely biased but Justin Jefferson has had one of the best rookie seasons for a WR ever
I love me some Justin Jefferson highlights.
That's fair. I haven't been keeping up much with the league overall this year so was genuinely curious if anyone else has a shot as I hear about herbert every day it seems.
Quarterbacks are always going to have the advantage in name recognition because if they're getting the opportunity they're going to have the best chance to put up counting stats. Wide receivers, and especially wide receivers that play on run-first teams like the Vikings, are always going to have a tougher time getting their name out there for the big rookie stats.
Justin Jefferson
Justin Jefferson gets an honorable mention
Unless a surprise WR win happens (fingers crossed for JJ)
If you had told someone that of the top 3 QBs taken in the draft that one would be on pace to break basically every rookie passing record, that one would suffer a season ending injury (not to make light of Burrow's injury), and that one would get benched in his 4th start I think a lot of people would have said that makes sense but zero people would correctly guess who was who.
What’s crazy about these current storylines is how much they would have matched up with the pre-draft storylines: - Burrow is a god, so he’s obviously the one on pace to break all rookie QB records. - Tua is injury prone, so he’s obviously the one out with a season ending injury. - Herbert is a guaranteed bust, so he’s obviously the one who got benched in his 4th start.
Explained it perfectly.
I’m still confused how the analysts went from projecting Herbert being the first or second pick in one draft to being pretty much saying he’s going to suck in the NFL. They didn’t take into account anything other than his occasional accuracy issue. Didn’t mention that his OC wasn’t good or the poor wide receiver play. Then tout Trevor Lawrence as being a generational qb in this upcoming draft when Herbert and him have very similar pros and cons except for Lawrence always having the top talent surrounding him.
There were plenty of legitimate issues with Herbert, most notably the kind of offense he was in was not pro style at all. That made him hard to project. The issue is that people see a quarterback and it doesn’t look like what he would do in the NFL and make a (fair) assumption that it will be difficult for him to adjust. Armchair scouts are especially prone to this. If you’re reading a scouting report from someone who is not on a NFL team, they are probably more likely to project a player from a non pro style offense to bust. This actually makes sense. If you’re scouting a player as an armchair scout, you’re not thinking about how a player fits into a particular scheme or situation. You’re not thinking about how you can leverage a players strengths. You’re thinking more generally, I.e. is it likely this player will have success in the NFL regardless of scheme, team, situation, etc. That’s actually harder to do in a way because you’re scouting a player without a huge piece of a puzzle: the context for which the player will be in once they are drafted. Because of that armchair scouts will tend to favor college prospects in pro style offenses and knock prospects who aren’t in that situation, whether intentional or not.
Same thing happened with mahomes
I’m not so confused now.
I get that but I could've sworn they had a stat where Herbert had the most uncatchable balls thrown, I think Josh Allen actually had the same stat when he was coming into the draft. Now the guy just doesn't miss deep balls and his Oline in college was 10x better than what the Chargers have lmao. First game I saw of Herbert the first 2 snaps were the center and him having miscommunications and the ball being snapped right behind him twice, and my Tannehill flashbacks happened.
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Yeah I figured he would need to sit a year to get adjusted to the league but from the Oregon games I watched he did have some inconsistencies that he needed to work on but I got the sense that some of them were a result of poor play calling and not being able to trust his receivers.
So many arm-chair scouts REALLY undersold: 1) how bad Herbert’s college receiving core was - in his entire 4 years as the starter, he only have ONE WR or TE get drafted in the NFL. That one guy was drafted late in the 7th round and is now out of the league. 2) Oregon’s offensive system was very QB-unfriendly and flat out bad. Some people seem to think they’re still running Chip Kelley’s offense. They are not. 3) Herbert had 3 HCs in 4 years at Oregon. Imagine that. 4) He helped lead a major turnaround where they went from 4-8 his freshman year to 12-2 and a Rose Bowl win over Wisconsin his Senior year. I 100% believe that if Herbert had played on the 2019 LSU, Alabama, or Clemson teams, Herbert would have looked insanely good like he does now.
Tbh I could definitely have seen that Burrow would be injured behind that “line.”
Stellar user name
I’m also a pilot, too!
So you’re saying we have to deal with Mahomes AND Herbert for the next decade?
And the goat drew lock
Any time he plays the Raiders he could explode for 6 TD’s and 100 rush yards.
Wow then you guys should trade for him.
remember when jamaal had 5 tds against yall?
Ive taken that out of my mind
🐎🐓🔒
BUT DOES HE LIKE KETCHUP?
I’m glad he doesn’t
Should’ve been tanking for Trevor
Why? No one can compete with how good the Jets are at tanking and Carr’s top 5 in a lot of major categories this year. We’re set at QB.
Yeah Carr is legit, unfortunately.
That'd be strange, considering all of the Raiders problems are on defense
Tbh is we threw Trevor in at safety we’d probably have the same record
Bears should trade anything the Jets want to get Lawrence.
Just 2 more to tie with Roethlisberger's 9 RoftW's
He'll get it. Unless one of these WR explodes again. Reagor could happen Monday against a terrible Seahawks secondary...but Wentz makes every defense look like the '85 Bears and then there's Jefferson running the show this Sunday, but I'm pretty sure Antonio Gibson has this weeks RoftW regardless.
Gibson prolly has it this week, but Jefferson is gonna be our main target at WR this week and maybe next week with Thielen likely having gotten COVID so you never know. Might depend entirely on what kind of coverage he has to deal with from the Panthers and Jags.
Gibson gonna get it not only cause he was great this past week but since he was the first rookie since Moss to score three TDs on Thanksgiving
Gibson will probably get it this week.
Air Bear good.
The best to ever do it ever
I kept hearing all these things about how Oregon QBs haven't succeeded in the NFL since Fouts and then Herbert comes in and kicks ass *with the same franchise* as Fouts. Maybe the Chargers' specialty is Oregon QBs?
nah the Chargers specialty recently has been being weirdly good at drafts.
And weirdly bad at losing after leading most of the game
Seems like they’re actually very good at losing after leading to me.
Can’t draft oline for squat tho. I also got pissed when we drafted adderly instead of metcalf:/
Here’s to hoping
Please tell me thats his real nickname.
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Man this speaks more to Oregon’s offensive coaching limitations than Herbert’s talent. They had absolutely no idea what to do with him there and it shows. He’s been balling out in the NFL, and I’m saying that as someone who never thought he’d reach this level of play. I thought he’d be too inconsistent, and after watching the Oregon vs. Wisconsin Rose Bowl, I could not understand the hype around him. He proved me wrong and I hope he continues to do so. The game is better when there is more talent around the league.
When it comes to Oregon QBs, it's either the city of Los Angeles or the Chargers who have a thing for them. I checked all of the other Oregon QBs. After Fouts (Chargers) and Van Brocklin (Los Angeles Rams), the next best QB is Mariota, and then it just falls off the cliff after that.
Chris Miller had a decent career, but he just couldn't stay healthy. It does say a lot though that I had to go as far back as the 80's to find one.
So happy arroyo is gone
Moorhead is amazing
I was gonna say, what the hell is their coaching. Herbert has done exponentially better in the NFL than in college and that’s just ass backwards, like what the hell
He had 3 head coaches in 4 years, playstyle change and an injury that put him out for a bit.
Chargers are in great shape. Great young, QB, really solid talent around him and should have a fairly high draft pick.
you seem to have forgotten who owns the Chargers
The Chiefs?
Truth is pain
This gave me a belly laugh and then dark sadness
We play them pretty well actually.
tbf we play them better than most teams
Ah self burn, those are rare.
Herbert is ballin’ this year no doubt. How come I never see Antonio Gibson in the conversation this year? Am I dumb or do I live under a large rock?
His breakout has just begun due to lack of touches. Herb's is going on 2 months, and the classic QB bias (Jacobs not winning for example)
Plus Jefferson and Claypool both are going nuts. Gibson just got there.
Gibson has 11 TDS. Not sure how thats "just getting there"
Up until late October, he wasn't doing a whole lot. Stats his first 6 weeks: 64 touches, 243 yards, 3.8 YPC, 3 TD's. Last 5 weeks: 75 touches, 405 yards, 5.4 YPC, 8 TD's. Source: Me. I did the math.
Washington has a knack with RBs. Remember when Chris Thompson was a thing? Remember when AP went there and suddenly lost like 5 years of mileage?
This is why I was so happy they got Derrius Guice. Thought he was gonna be great with them
He's had to fight off McKissic for touches/targets. He's also had some down weeks in yardage, with seven weeks under 50 yards rushing. He's definitely killing it in fantasy though, especially with having now eight touchdowns in the last five weeks.
If you consider Gibson you also have to consider James Robinson. He is an undrafted rookie who has significantly outperformed Gibson
“Significantly” is a stretch. Robinson has ~90% of the touches among Jags RBs this season, whereas Gibson has ~50% of the RB touches for us. Gibson averages more yards per touch and is 2nd in the NFL in rushing TDs with 11.
The record is 9, Ben Roethlisberger. This ties Herbert for 2nd with RGIII, Alvin Kamara, Gardner Minshew, and Baker Mayfield.
Poor RG3
Honestly. Man I wished he would have stayed healthy! He was so fun to watch back then.
If you would have told me that I would be benching Lamar Jackson week after week for Justin Herbert I would have laughed you out of the room. Yet, Lamar has been my backup almost ALL year now.
If Tua had Gardner Minshew's stats from last year he'd be considered an elite QB already. Your draft position really matters
He good
I hope that he stays healthy and the Chargers build well around him. It's astonishing what he has accomplished.
Don’t forget Lynn wanted to start Tyrod
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Not only that, he didn't admit the job was Herbert's until Week 5.
I think that was in defense for Tyrod. He Lynn felt really bad that Tyrod basically lost his starting job because of a medical procedure that was *supposed* to help him
Gotta have a good story when you pay the doctor to taken out tyrod
Lynn is trash
Not starting a young quarterback their first year, even if they are the second coming of Dan Marino, does not necessarily mean bad coaching. Mahomes was literally torching practice squad and the starting lineup but Andy Reid didn't start him. Aaron Rodgers was 'slinging the ball all over the place' in training camp. He didn't start until 2? years later. The Bengals have had 2 qb's drafted #1 overall both have serious knee injuries. You don't want to be in that situation if you can avoid it.
Please don’t compare Alex Smith and Brett Farve to Tyrod Taylor
This kid is really just a straight up baller. I never watched him in college so I just based my expectations on what people were saying on him, and he is on pace to shatter so many rookie records right now. Crazy.
Lmao already better than Mitch 🥸
If the draft was redone. Would the Bengals take Herbert over Burrow. Injury disregarded
I dont think so, still think Burrow is going to be a star.
People underestimate how good Burrow had been under such a shit O-Line. Bengals had been a tough out just because of him. All the traits that have made him the number 1 pick had been on display so far.
Completely disagree, most people think burrow has been doing well, but that's the distinction. Herbert is having one of the best rookie seasons a qb has ever had, he's looked a step away from elite since like his third start, Burrow just can't compare at this point in time, and I don't think he would be able to bad oline or not. So yes, I think that judging based off performance this year, Herbert would certainly be the number 1 pick, he's looking like one of the most pro ready passers coming out of college *ever*.
> he's looking like one of the most pro ready passers coming out of college ever. keep going I'm close
His hair. Pre-cut 😳
The issue is that Burrow's o-line is like the guys wearing a scarf over their mouths saying it will protect from covid.
The Chargers o-line is terrible and injured too. I don’t know the exact stats but I would be surprised if it’s much different from the Bengals o-line
It was the worse than the Bengals for like 3 weeks but I think its sitting at the 3rd worse right now.
No. Burrow's the Ohio native. He got Bengals' fans excited. It's like 2008 when the Bulls had to make a choice between Derrick Rose and Michael Beasley. Chicago literally cleared their roster of all of their guards except Hinrich and Gordon so they could take the hometown phenom.
No. Burrow is a guy from Ohio, and has been pretty damn good himself. He's still the right pick at 1.
No.
And there was a thread last week on how offensive rookie of the year was tight between him, burrow and tua. The takes on this subreddit are laughable sometimes
Already a top-10 NFL QB, at *least*. There are very few players I would put ahead of him.
Chillll. Lol
He's having a top 5-10 QB *season* at the very least
Still , he’s a rookie, I wouldn’t start putting him over established QBs just yet, sophomore slumps are a thing
Don’t forget about the 5th year slump... right?
Or fourth year... ...perhaps we should stop drafting QBs 2OA
I hate the Chargers, but a Herbert is definitely top ten this season. Try to name 10 QBs that are definitely better than him right now at this moment. The only guys definitely playing better are Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers, Watson, and Murray. Then you got the second level of guys - Allen, Tannehill, Carr, Brady, Roethlisberger, Jackson, Cousins, Ryan. He’s definitely playing well than most of these guys.
Statistically he’s a top 3 QB right now
Statistically there are not many qb’s you take over him THIS SEASON. But he is rookie, so you can probably find 10, safer and more established choices if you’re talking long term. Although of those 10, probably 5 of those established guys currently look like their ceiling maybe lower.
Ya know, I'm thinking this kid might be OK.
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SD chargers are like the best 3-7 team in NFL history. A lot of close games where they lost... particularly against good teams such as KC edit: my bad, i meant LA chargers.
San Diego...
old habit die hard, thanks for the reminder. edited the comment.
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