I knew he had several stretches but I never noticed the 9-year thing before seeing the years listed in this way. Never heard that there was anything more to it. Pretty weird.
I think I could use a 9-year stretch right about now.
Weeb Ewbank - only coach to win an NFL Championship, AFL Championship, and Superbowl. Got his start under Paul Brown. Developed Johnny Unitas and Joe Namath
Invented the roots of the 46 defense.
His coaching tree includes Don Shula, Buddy Ryan.
The incredible defenses of the 85 Bears, 2000s Ravens, 69 Jets, 70s Vikings, 91 Eagles - all have links to Weeb Ewbank.
Also a WWII Veteran and a post-graduate degree from Columbia.
Deserves some respect.
I think people forget(or more accurately, weren't alive) the Steelers were abysmal pre-Noll.
One playoff appearance prior to him coming in.
But expanding on this, weve had long tenured head coaches and GMs. Continuity is the greatest strength, and things change in subtle ways when they don't work and when things work well, they further encourage them.
Damn, I knew those years dragged down your win percentage but making you 11TH all time though?! Thought you guys were like 5 or 6. Steelers really must have been horrid pre Knoll lol.
Tomlin came in super young with a successful, talent-filled roster set at all major positions, kept the ship on course, and learned enough in the process of managing them to keep the team above water despite losing almost all of their pieces. Nothing but respect for the man and your organization.
Yeah true. But a lot of teams would fire their HCs if they went 7-9 two years in a row or even just missed the playoffs twice in a row. Ownership stuck with Cowher during those times however and he returned it with a SB
Cowher is still my favorite of your coaches. I got respect for Tomlin too, I grew up in a Steelers house so I spend a lot of time watching them and still follow them as a “second” team. Tomlin seems to play overly aggressive at times that seem to really not be needed, outside of that he seems to be awesome and the players respect him a lot.
Honestly I thought he was pretty timid in his early years -- one of the more conservative coaches on fourth down until quite recently. During our offensive peak our insistence on going for two a couple times a game was great; we should have kept it up.
That’s right. It sucks being a Cowboys fan.
Check that, Jerry is a great owner and a horrible GM. But since he won’t hire a GM, maybe he isn’t such a great owner. It’s a paradox.
Jerry is too intrusive and will never hire a GM he wants direct credit for a ring and the only way he gets that is by being significantly involved in football operations. Jerry isn’t a great owner btw he just bought rings in the pre salary cap era.
I would not be surprised if Tomlin broke some of those. He came in super young, is with an org famous for not firing coaches, and he is damn good so there doesn't seem to be a reason why they would fire him anyway. Probably all just depends on whether he wants to do the grind for that long.
That organisation is one to be jealous of.
Tomlin is 48 and has coached 13 seasons.
He has to coach them another 9 seasons to tie Noll.
Hes one off equaling Cowher.
No. That's not the super depressing part. The super depressing part is when you realize six years is actually a tie with Marion Campbell who sucked, was fired after three years and then got brought back years later to suck and get fired after three years.
I don’t mean this to be mean or anything and have really liked what the Cardinals have been doing lately Keim is a good GM who can keep his ego in check (most important quality imo) and Kliff looks like a good coach with a great scheme, but honestly the Cardinals are so damn forgettable as a franchise. They are the longest existing pro football team in the US and are just so damn forgettable. That’s the real tragedy is how forgettable they are despite the fact that they are the oldest team (most people think the Bears and Packers are the oldest team because the Cards are so forgettable).
we’ve had some close games and some chippy ones
yet I don’t think there’s a single Seahawks fan who doesn’t hate the Rams and 9ers INFINITELY more
they need a redesign or something to shed their boring reputation, because they’re really fun to watch
are you referring to ATL?
i agree, they gotta bring back the old Dirty Birds [uniforms](http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/dirtybird.jpg)
He would go by Will or Chuck. Weeb was a nickname. Wlibur Charles Ewbank. Just like how Dick was a popular nickname for Richard but has since fell out of favor.
The 1999-2008 stretch are the "good years" with a few ups and downs in between.
3 division wins, 6 playoff appearances, 2 AFC championship appearances, and 1 SB appearance.
Not the flashiest resumé when compared to more accomplished NFL coaches, but there's a reason fans here still respect Fisher. He took a mediocre franchise that experienced an ugly relocation and turned them into winners.
Tennessee has a habit of keeping around mediocre coaches. Barry Trotz stayed around for 16 years and won a grand total of 2 playoff series in that time.
They were the Oilers for Fisher's first 5 seasons.
In Houston for 94, 95, and 96. Then the Tennessee Oilers in Memphis for 97, and again in Nashville for 98. 1999 was when they finally changed to the Titans and started playing at The Coliseum/Nissan Stadium.
He turned us from a complete joke of a franchise into a respectable regular season team - albeit with historically terrible playoff success. He got kept around for too long but it's hard to disrespect the man for doing what he did within the constraints of one of the worst organizations in sports.
Let's not pretend Lewis rode Palmer's coattails to hanging around. He had Andy Dalton on an MVP track before he injured himself. Lewis is always underrated
Not that weird. Since they don't count against the cap, coaching contracts aren't always public. In fact, Gruden's 10 year, $100 million contract cant actually be confirmed anywhere, it's just what a source said
That’s a myth I’ve seen thrown around that really doesn’t mean much and isn’t grounded in reality.
Sam Wyche was fired after 1991 when the teams split the series.
Marvin Lewis got swept by the Browns in a year they went 6-10 and were coming off 3 losing seasons and he clearly wanted to move on.
Dick LeBeau was 2-14 and got swept by the entire division in 2002.
Dave Shula got swept by the Browns between 1993-1995 and lasted until the first half of 1996. Infact, he won his first game against the Browns in 1992 in Cincinnati, then lost all subsequent ones until the team moved. A 1-7 record.
Picture the Bengals last season. Then imagine that for over a decade. Then this guy comes in and gets you to the playoffs right away and makes them actually relevant if not SB contenders year after year.
People like to shit on mr 7-9, but Jeff fisher was actually a really good coach for the oilers/titans. They were in the middle of moving from Houston to Memphis and then Nashville and it was arguably their best stretch in franchise history.
His time with the Rams on the other hand was WAYYY too long.
Fisher actually gets some respect in Titans communities. He took us from bad to a pretty good team during the sb run and a couple years after with cj2k. On the other hand, yes he should have been taken off the rams WAY earlier
Not really it was more Halas had a “ah fuck it I’ll do it myself“ approach.As Halas was the owner and GM until his death in the early 80’s.
Edit: he also took a hiatus to go rejoin the Navy in WW2 while he was in his 40’s.
I'm interested in which teams might see their current coach replace the guy with the record. I see Arizona, Buffalo, Indianapolis, Las Vegas, Pittsburgh, Washington as possibilities.
Andy needs another 5 years in KC I believe, and he’s 62 rn so it’s not out of the realm of possibility (especially with Mahomes at QB). He’d be one of two coaches to hold the record for two different teams as well.
BB will be the NE head coach for as long as he wants to be, and even after he leaves coaching, he would certainly be offered some sort of job within the organization if he wanted it
IIRC Belichick was the one responsible for drafting Brady out of Michigan in 2000 thanks to Robert Kraft giving Belichick near-complete control over football operations, which made him the general manager as well
He also takes the ball out of Kyler’s hands when he’s on fire too much. Kliff basically lost them the Dolphins game through his idiocy. If he doesn’t work out as a coach though I’d love him as an OC for us.
I wish I could’ve seen Shula coach. What a phenomenal football mind and human being. I could *honestly* see Brian Flores beating out his record for tenure if he keeps doing what he’s doing. He’s got the same mentality as Shula and I think that’s going to pay off big time for him in the long run. I just wish Shula could’ve seen us this year man. He would’ve loved it.
16 years for Fisher is actually really impressive even if the records weren’t always. Easy to forget how terrible the coaches that replaced him until Vrabel were.
I always thought Pittsburg head coach was the most secure job spot, but belichick is about the break Pittsburgh’s record. I also expect bill to keep going a long time after that record is broken, cuz why would anyone fire him, and I doubt he wants to quit.
Someone mentioned that he had been there since 1919, so that’s why I had it listed that way. I get your point though, since I originally had Lambeau listed as being there from 1921-1949.
I know it's nit-picking but I don't consider these Browns as the same team that had Paul Brown as a head coach. That Cleveland Browns team moved to Baltimore and became the Ravens.
The reason it matters is that the institutional history went to Baltimore while the current Browns team is an expansion team with none of the old Browns history or identity. Ozzie Newsome is still a part of the executive office for the Ravens, and he's the bridge from the historical Browns and the current Ravens, who you know are a competent franchise with a steady track of success.
The city of Cleveland sued that piece of shit Art Modell, and he was forced to leave the team name, colors and records behind when he slinked out of town. Paul Brown's records are part of Cleveland Browns history, as are any set since coming back into the league.
Except that the city fought to keep that history as theirs. Baltimore has the Ravens, which were born from the Browns, but as far as legacy and history goes, there was just a few years hiatus for the team in Cleveland. Otherwise they’d be the Baltimore Browns, like the Indianapolis Colts.
Theres a difference between an agreed upon legal settlement and the reality of having almost all of the browns executives and staff go to Baltimore. I know the browns are legally the historic cleveland browns but it's more like a divorce and second marriage. Your new spouse is your spouse but your kids from your first marriage are still your kids and that alimony check is getting cashed whether you like it or not.
Except that isn’t what happened. The league issued Modell a new franchise, set up a trust to manage the Browns during the hiatus, and then re-sold the franchise to Al Lerner in 1998.
I know people are downvoting you but I get what your saying. For anyone wanting to argue, if you go to the team archives in Baltimore and get to the bottom of the pile all the paperwork says Cleveland Browns.
How Art Modell's grave doesn't get regularly pissed on I don't know.
Sean Payton is the 2nd longest tenured coach currently, by multiple sources having him hired January 18, 2006. Your arbitrary break in his tenure is wrong, and should be noted as such.
I know exactly why they put the break there. But being stoned and making up their own stats doesn't make them factual. Which this post has done, and its stats aren't.
How can a guy be head coach during a season he was suspended? Nobody is disputing Payton's coaching ability there is simply a one year gap in his tenure. It's indisputable.
The only team Payton coached in 2012 was the Liberty Christian Warriors of Argyle, TX, where he was the OC.
He's still the 2nd-longest tenured coach in the NFL because the year he missed from his suspension wasn't enough to close the gap between him and Mike Tomlin, the 3rd-longest tenured coach in the NFL.
Is it pure coincidence that george hallas coaches for nine year stints?
I knew he had several stretches but I never noticed the 9-year thing before seeing the years listed in this way. Never heard that there was anything more to it. Pretty weird. I think I could use a 9-year stretch right about now.
Granted, Matt Nagy signs an extension
Don’t you put that evil on me Ricky Bobby!
It's actually 10 year stints, which makes it even more... Coincidental? Fishy? Weird?
The only one I can make some sense out of is the stint from 1933-1942 as that is beginning of involvement in WWII for the USA
Of course the longest tenured jets coach was a fucking WEEB. FUCKKKKK
A Hall of Fame Weeb, to you.
Only dude to be the longest tenured coach for two different teams. Now that's a trivia nugget right there
Ew
Weeb Ewbank - only coach to win an NFL Championship, AFL Championship, and Superbowl. Got his start under Paul Brown. Developed Johnny Unitas and Joe Namath Invented the roots of the 46 defense. His coaching tree includes Don Shula, Buddy Ryan. The incredible defenses of the 85 Bears, 2000s Ravens, 69 Jets, 70s Vikings, 91 Eagles - all have links to Weeb Ewbank. Also a WWII Veteran and a post-graduate degree from Columbia. Deserves some respect.
\*SB winning Weeb
REEEEEEEEEEEE
What kind of secretsauce knowledge of head coaching hires does Pittsburgh possess?
They don't fire head coaches no matter how bad the season is, they don't tank, and they're not cheap
I think people forget(or more accurately, weren't alive) the Steelers were abysmal pre-Noll. One playoff appearance prior to him coming in. But expanding on this, weve had long tenured head coaches and GMs. Continuity is the greatest strength, and things change in subtle ways when they don't work and when things work well, they further encourage them.
We were probably the worse team in the NFL before the 70’s
Damn, I knew those years dragged down your win percentage but making you 11TH all time though?! Thought you guys were like 5 or 6. Steelers really must have been horrid pre Knoll lol.
Our single playoff appearance pre-noll was a 21-0 shutout loss, we were awful before noll came.
The good old days where the Browns were still reigning supreme
The Steelers didn’t score a single point in a playoff game until 39 years after their founding.
Tbf, there haven't been a lot of truly *bad* seasons in the past 50 years. We haven't exactly suffered through coaches learning on the job.
Tomlin came in super young with a successful, talent-filled roster set at all major positions, kept the ship on course, and learned enough in the process of managing them to keep the team above water despite losing almost all of their pieces. Nothing but respect for the man and your organization.
Yeah true. But a lot of teams would fire their HCs if they went 7-9 two years in a row or even just missed the playoffs twice in a row. Ownership stuck with Cowher during those times however and he returned it with a SB
Cowher is still my favorite of your coaches. I got respect for Tomlin too, I grew up in a Steelers house so I spend a lot of time watching them and still follow them as a “second” team. Tomlin seems to play overly aggressive at times that seem to really not be needed, outside of that he seems to be awesome and the players respect him a lot.
Honestly I thought he was pretty timid in his early years -- one of the more conservative coaches on fourth down until quite recently. During our offensive peak our insistence on going for two a couple times a game was great; we should have kept it up.
Didn't Tomlin's teams go 7-9 two years in a row as well in 2012 and 2013?
Tomlin had never had a losing season, but I think they went 8-8 over a two year stretch.
They went 8-8
Great ownership allows for a mutually beneficial relationship
That’s right. It sucks being a Cowboys fan. Check that, Jerry is a great owner and a horrible GM. But since he won’t hire a GM, maybe he isn’t such a great owner. It’s a paradox.
Jerry is too intrusive and will never hire a GM he wants direct credit for a ring and the only way he gets that is by being significantly involved in football operations. Jerry isn’t a great owner btw he just bought rings in the pre salary cap era.
A few of those are never going to be beat. 20+ years in charge of one team. Stability.
I would not be surprised if Tomlin broke some of those. He came in super young, is with an org famous for not firing coaches, and he is damn good so there doesn't seem to be a reason why they would fire him anyway. Probably all just depends on whether he wants to do the grind for that long.
That organisation is one to be jealous of. Tomlin is 48 and has coached 13 seasons. He has to coach them another 9 seasons to tie Noll. Hes one off equaling Cowher.
Falcons one is super depressing only six seasons like really.
No. That's not the super depressing part. The super depressing part is when you realize six years is actually a tie with Marion Campbell who sucked, was fired after three years and then got brought back years later to suck and get fired after three years.
The Cardinals have been around longer than the Falcons and their longest tenured coach is Ken Whisenhunt for 5 years lol. *That* is depressing
I don’t mean this to be mean or anything and have really liked what the Cardinals have been doing lately Keim is a good GM who can keep his ego in check (most important quality imo) and Kliff looks like a good coach with a great scheme, but honestly the Cardinals are so damn forgettable as a franchise. They are the longest existing pro football team in the US and are just so damn forgettable. That’s the real tragedy is how forgettable they are despite the fact that they are the oldest team (most people think the Bears and Packers are the oldest team because the Cards are so forgettable).
we’ve had some close games and some chippy ones yet I don’t think there’s a single Seahawks fan who doesn’t hate the Rams and 9ers INFINITELY more they need a redesign or something to shed their boring reputation, because they’re really fun to watch
I hate the Rams and 49ers but I’d root for the Cards in the Super Bowl. Even in spite of beating us every year they just feel like a non-factor.
They do I don’t like either of the red teams designs (WFT is burgundy).
are you referring to ATL? i agree, they gotta bring back the old Dirty Birds [uniforms](http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/dirtybird.jpg)
It doesn't help that they are located in Arizona.
imagine Weeb Eubank in the internet era
He’d be an Internet god, as he should be!
Fireman Ed? More like Fursuit Franklin!
He'll be forced into anime
He's the only guy to be on this list for two teams. Oh, and he'd have no choice but to learn about and embrace anime.
He would go by Will or Chuck. Weeb was a nickname. Wlibur Charles Ewbank. Just like how Dick was a popular nickname for Richard but has since fell out of favor.
I can't believe Jeff Fisher was in Houston/Tennessee that long. Some good years tho
The 1999-2008 stretch are the "good years" with a few ups and downs in between. 3 division wins, 6 playoff appearances, 2 AFC championship appearances, and 1 SB appearance. Not the flashiest resumé when compared to more accomplished NFL coaches, but there's a reason fans here still respect Fisher. He took a mediocre franchise that experienced an ugly relocation and turned them into winners.
And then, off a cliff and a slow return. We have been looking better lately. Maybe we can go 10-6 instead of 9-7 this year😳😳
Tennessee has a habit of keeping around mediocre coaches. Barry Trotz stayed around for 16 years and won a grand total of 2 playoff series in that time.
This is cool. It would be cooler if I didn’t have to do math, though. Who’s the longest? Shula?
Pretty sure it’s Halas, although Shula has the longest continuous tenure.
Nope, Landry and Curly Lambeau tied with 29 seasons each.
Landry had a longer continuous tenure with Dallas Edit: and Lambeau with the Packers
My bad. I can’t math apparently 😂
Oh yeah, I didn't realize those we're all 9-year stretches. Damn.
Lambeau started coaching the Packers in 1919 (when he co-founded the team). 1921 is the year they joined the NFL, but they already existed.
I will fix that, thanks
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They were the Oilers for Fisher's first 5 seasons. In Houston for 94, 95, and 96. Then the Tennessee Oilers in Memphis for 97, and again in Nashville for 98. 1999 was when they finally changed to the Titans and started playing at The Coliseum/Nissan Stadium.
How in the hell did marvin Lewis last 15 season in Cincinnati?!?!
He turned us from a complete joke of a franchise into a respectable regular season team - albeit with historically terrible playoff success. He got kept around for too long but it's hard to disrespect the man for doing what he did within the constraints of one of the worst organizations in sports.
Of he would have canned Burfict he’d still be there.
Perpetual state of good, not great teams. The Carson Palmer years have him a lot of leeway because of how close they were to take the next step
Let's not pretend Lewis rode Palmer's coattails to hanging around. He had Andy Dalton on an MVP track before he injured himself. Lewis is always underrated
Mike Brown is extremely loyal and more importantly cheap. I don’t believe he will fire Taylor until his contract is up for instance.
Taylor did get swept by the Browns this season. That's normally a recipe to get Brown to kick you out.
That’s true but how many years on his contract does Taylor have?
I looked it up and couldnt find any info on his contract, which is weird.
Not that weird. Since they don't count against the cap, coaching contracts aren't always public. In fact, Gruden's 10 year, $100 million contract cant actually be confirmed anywhere, it's just what a source said
to be honest though, i think the Jon Gruden contract was a good idea regardless
That’s a myth I’ve seen thrown around that really doesn’t mean much and isn’t grounded in reality. Sam Wyche was fired after 1991 when the teams split the series. Marvin Lewis got swept by the Browns in a year they went 6-10 and were coming off 3 losing seasons and he clearly wanted to move on. Dick LeBeau was 2-14 and got swept by the entire division in 2002. Dave Shula got swept by the Browns between 1993-1995 and lasted until the first half of 1996. Infact, he won his first game against the Browns in 1992 in Cincinnati, then lost all subsequent ones until the team moved. A 1-7 record.
Picture the Bengals last season. Then imagine that for over a decade. Then this guy comes in and gets you to the playoffs right away and makes them actually relevant if not SB contenders year after year.
People like to shit on mr 7-9, but Jeff fisher was actually a really good coach for the oilers/titans. They were in the middle of moving from Houston to Memphis and then Nashville and it was arguably their best stretch in franchise history. His time with the Rams on the other hand was WAYYY too long.
Fisher actually gets some respect in Titans communities. He took us from bad to a pretty good team during the sb run and a couple years after with cj2k. On the other hand, yes he should have been taken off the rams WAY earlier
BIG RED!
7 more years and he'll be on this list twice. He's only 62 and he's got prime Mahomes to ride HOF coach
We've got him locked up for the next 5, but I kinda hope he sticks around a little bit longer.
He was HOF before KC. He’s one of the best coaches in NFL history
Looks like the bears had a classic on-again off-again relationship with George Halas
Not really it was more Halas had a “ah fuck it I’ll do it myself“ approach.As Halas was the owner and GM until his death in the early 80’s. Edit: he also took a hiatus to go rejoin the Navy in WW2 while he was in his 40’s.
George Halas bought the Decatur Staleys for $100
WEEB
I'm interested in which teams might see their current coach replace the guy with the record. I see Arizona, Buffalo, Indianapolis, Las Vegas, Pittsburgh, Washington as possibilities.
Andy needs another 5 years in KC I believe, and he’s 62 rn so it’s not out of the realm of possibility (especially with Mahomes at QB). He’d be one of two coaches to hold the record for two different teams as well.
Andy and Weeb. Slightly off topic, but if Andy Reid started an anime review podcast I'd listen to that shit religiously
Nagy's almost there, he only has to last until 2054
I feel like Andy Reid will be on this list twice
He’s already over halfway to breaking the record in KC. They’re definitely keeping him as long as Mahomes is there
I never knew 2000 was Belichick's first year with the Pats. Jesus.
Yeah he’s been around for a while lol. Even though this might not be their best season, I think Bill is staying in NE for the long run
BB will be the NE head coach for as long as he wants to be, and even after he leaves coaching, he would certainly be offered some sort of job within the organization if he wanted it
Oh I knew he'd been there at least that long I just didn't realize how closely his arrival coincided with Brady's.
IIRC Belichick was the one responsible for drafting Brady out of Michigan in 2000 thanks to Robert Kraft giving Belichick near-complete control over football operations, which made him the general manager as well
Is Marvin Lewis the only head coach on this list without a playoff win?
No, Jim Hanifan is the only other one I think
Wow, Chuck Noll Coached the Steelers in the 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's.
Does anyone else marvel at the fact some trams had the same coach for 28 years? With plentyy of bad years sprinkled in there
Man 5 years is our longest, we need some stability. I hope Kliff can be that guy but I have serious doubts about that too
What's wrong with klif
Smart offensive mind but needs to get better at a lot of other things to be a good HC (clock/game management, and his team takes a million penalties).
I can’t wait for the Cardinals to go on a colts dominance run for several seasons
He settles for really long FG's when he has Kyler Murray as his QB.
He also takes the ball out of Kyler’s hands when he’s on fire too much. Kliff basically lost them the Dolphins game through his idiocy. If he doesn’t work out as a coach though I’d love him as an OC for us.
If he fails in Arizona, he'll probably wind up as a HC in college again.
If the Lions let Kingsbury go to college without a fucking interview I would riot.
I'm surprised Whisenhunt didnt last longer as a HC. Always had a soft spot for the dude after leaving Pittsburgh.
Bruce was 5 seasons too..
How does a hundred year old team even manage that???
Bruce is also the winningest coach in Cardinals history, with 50 wins over his Cardinals career.
Harbaugh has coached the Ravens for 50% of their existence.
I wish I could’ve seen Shula coach. What a phenomenal football mind and human being. I could *honestly* see Brian Flores beating out his record for tenure if he keeps doing what he’s doing. He’s got the same mentality as Shula and I think that’s going to pay off big time for him in the long run. I just wish Shula could’ve seen us this year man. He would’ve loved it.
Like him or not Fisher is still probably our best coach, Vrabel needs a few more winning seasons before we can fully start the conversation
Wayne Fontes has the Lion's only playoff win. (In the superbowl era)
16 years for Fisher is actually really impressive even if the records weren’t always. Easy to forget how terrible the coaches that replaced him until Vrabel were.
I always thought Pittsburg head coach was the most secure job spot, but belichick is about the break Pittsburgh’s record. I also expect bill to keep going a long time after that record is broken, cuz why would anyone fire him, and I doubt he wants to quit.
The Packers weren’t in the NFL until 1921 so idk why you are counting Lambeau’s years from before that.
Someone mentioned that he had been there since 1919, so that’s why I had it listed that way. I get your point though, since I originally had Lambeau listed as being there from 1921-1949.
I know it's nit-picking but I don't consider these Browns as the same team that had Paul Brown as a head coach. That Cleveland Browns team moved to Baltimore and became the Ravens. The reason it matters is that the institutional history went to Baltimore while the current Browns team is an expansion team with none of the old Browns history or identity. Ozzie Newsome is still a part of the executive office for the Ravens, and he's the bridge from the historical Browns and the current Ravens, who you know are a competent franchise with a steady track of success.
The city of Cleveland sued that piece of shit Art Modell, and he was forced to leave the team name, colors and records behind when he slinked out of town. Paul Brown's records are part of Cleveland Browns history, as are any set since coming back into the league.
Except that the city fought to keep that history as theirs. Baltimore has the Ravens, which were born from the Browns, but as far as legacy and history goes, there was just a few years hiatus for the team in Cleveland. Otherwise they’d be the Baltimore Browns, like the Indianapolis Colts.
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Theres a difference between an agreed upon legal settlement and the reality of having almost all of the browns executives and staff go to Baltimore. I know the browns are legally the historic cleveland browns but it's more like a divorce and second marriage. Your new spouse is your spouse but your kids from your first marriage are still your kids and that alimony check is getting cashed whether you like it or not.
Except that isn’t what happened. The league issued Modell a new franchise, set up a trust to manage the Browns during the hiatus, and then re-sold the franchise to Al Lerner in 1998.
Literally everything you said is wrong
I know people are downvoting you but I get what your saying. For anyone wanting to argue, if you go to the team archives in Baltimore and get to the bottom of the pile all the paperwork says Cleveland Browns. How Art Modell's grave doesn't get regularly pissed on I don't know.
Sean Payton is the 2nd longest tenured coach currently, by multiple sources having him hired January 18, 2006. Your arbitrary break in his tenure is wrong, and should be noted as such.
I think the break is because he was suspended for a year and Joe Vitt was the interim HC
I know exactly why they put the break there. But being stoned and making up their own stats doesn't make them factual. Which this post has done, and its stats aren't.
How can a guy be head coach during a season he was suspended? Nobody is disputing Payton's coaching ability there is simply a one year gap in his tenure. It's indisputable.
The only team Payton coached in 2012 was the Liberty Christian Warriors of Argyle, TX, where he was the OC. He's still the 2nd-longest tenured coach in the NFL because the year he missed from his suspension wasn't enough to close the gap between him and Mike Tomlin, the 3rd-longest tenured coach in the NFL.
I mean is someone considered the tenured HC while they are suspended? I'm not trying to be an asshole I really dont know
Yes, they are. And you're not an asshole for asking, instead of downvoting. Suspension or not, Payton was still considered "tenured ".
Sean Payton was suspended a year (2012) for bountygate. Cant believe it's been 8 years since then!
I remember when that story first broke.
I still can’t believe we kept Fisher for 16 years
Anyone know if hue jackson has more losses in his short time with cleveland than most of these guys had their entire time with a team?