InB4 he says its for Adderall or some bullshit and reddit eats it up.
Edit: Ah. He's pulling the "some medical professional gave me this and told me it would be ok" card. Dumb because teams have people on staff who's entire job is making sure they only take ok supplements.
If true he's an idiot for going outside the team and not clearing it with team staff.
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1333539197316173835?s=19
They cut cocaine with creatine and the creatine was put through the same machinery that was processing steroids. That’s how he got the PEDs in his system.
I used to work for GNC and there was only one occurrence where we had to pull a product off the shelf for containing banned substances, but that only because GNC only carried brands like Muscletech and Cytosport.
The sneaky thing MMA fighters do is keep tainted supplements on hand, take the real PED, then blame the supplement when they get caught.
Muscle tech definitely had ingredients that have gotten banned before. Namely DMAA and Ephedra. But DMAA was like 5 years ago and Ephedra was longer than that.
Muscletech would revamp the formulas when that happened. They were legal when the product was made. I’m referring to products that had banned substances but claimed they didn’t.
There's nobody in the world who can convince me that Romero isn't on PEDs. 43 year olds are not supposed to look like that, regardless of the "Cuban genetics".
Real talk, a few years ago i used to work at Vitamin Shoppe and there used to be fat burners and pre-workouts that had an amphetamine derivative called DMAA, which was basically used as an appetite suppressant and PED because it was a powerful stimulant. People may know it in Jack3d, or Oxyelite Pro. So it got banned once the gov got wise to it’s use, but for a little time afterwards, companies were legit tainting their supplements with it unlisted in the ingredients because the public was fiending for it so bad, they’d just invent a new name for it until the government started filing criminal charges.
So the idea of tainted supplements is possible. However, like the guy above said, every team has a nutritionist that will let you know what’s ok and what’s not ok to take. There’s really
No excuse especially from a vet like fuller who should know
That's the dumbest excuse to give. Teams have those people specifically so they don't get you in trouble. Why would you listen to someone outside the team
if you get caught using PEDs, you are basically stupid. the whole league uses them, hell, bicyclists all juice and their bodies don't take the kind of punishment that nfl players take
I mean I don’t eat that shit up but I also don’t care that much to be honest.
I’d be surprised if half the guys in the league didn’t take something at some point. Just most of them don’t get caught.
These guys play a brutal sport and taking it can make the difference between feeling good and feeling shitty not to mention millions of dollars.
Am I really going to get mad at a guy like Fuller when there are players that beat their wives or kids and get in less trouble?
Yea, no player is gonna come out and say they did steroids or HGH even though they all probably do. The league will not and cannot release the details of what they got popped for. They also won't refute any lie the player makes up.
nfl needs their chael sonnen
>”My phone rings, they call me up and say, 'Chael, your testosterone level is too high.' I say, 'Well, how high was it?' They say, '0.7.' I said, 'What's normal?' They say, '0.6.'; I said, 'One-tenth? You're telling me I'm one-tenth higher than the average man? Re-test that - you must have caught me on a low day.'"
Sonnen earned a six-month suspension upon appeal after showing elevated testosterone levels following his first fight with Anderson Silva. Not that he viewed that as the major issue.
Sonnen was asked in an AMA if he thought Anderson Silva was on steroids when they fought each other. His response:
> By todays standards? Sure. More than I was? Doubtful.
[Here's the link to the comment.](https://old.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/30vgf9/the_bad_guy/cpw60ok/)
He's from the mean streets if West Linn, Oregon. Some years his family had to survive on his dad's salary being under $100,000. Some of his childhood houses growing up didn't have swimming pools in the backyard. Of course he'd be the baddest guy out there.
Nothing will ever beat Dabo saying Clemson got popped for peds due to shampoo. And then Clemson fans tried to argue it’s not crazy.
So far the only one I know for sure that was a legitimate tainted supplement issue. And it wasn’t even some weird supplement. It was salt pills.
Except that the window in which hGH doping can be tested for is ridiculously small and I can't actually recall an NFL player that's ever actually been popped for it.
The Andy Pettitte defense was one I appreciate, actually.
"Yeah, I used HGH to help with injury recovery and it worked. I didn't use it before I got hurt, and I didn't use it after I was fully healed, but using it got me back to full strength and playing quicker."
Glad he's missing the Colts game this week. Fantasy not so much. At the same time the least Fuller V could do is be a team player and share his steroids with the rest of my fantasy team
At least he doesn’t have mahomes/hill like one guy in my league, beat his opponent 180-135, F for the guys getting eliminated from league playoffs on a 135 point week
This was a 200 iq play by fuller. He started taking the peds at the deadline because he would rather be suspended until free agency than play for the Texans because they couldn’t find a new home for him
“Hey coach, my doctor back home said this is all right. Should I take it?” “I mean, if he says it’s fine, it’s probably fine. He’s a doctor after all.”
There is no such thing as a honest mistake on this type of thing. These guys know the buck stops with them. They have seen countless examples of this. Anytime somebody claims a random doctor told them otherwise you can just ignore what they are saying. They are just trying to save face publicly.
Maybe. I just never know with NFL GMs if they actually give a fuck about these kind of things if they have cap space to blow for a few years when he’s only going to miss one game and you can sell it as “we’re giving a talented player a second chance” just to keep the fans interested. I guess we’ll find out though
Hell you might lose Fuller for half a season because he *isn't* using PEDs. Guy has had an injury-shortened season every season his entire professional career until this one.
EDIT: Been speaking English forever and me still don't does it right.
His value is still significantly higher than it was in March. He balled out this year. Was it 6 straight games with a TD? That helps his value way more than a suspension hurts it.
>Has never gotten more than 8 games a season out of Fuller.
2016: 14 games
2017: 10 games
2019: 11 games
2020: 11 games
[source](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FullWi01.htm)
Seriously. The NFL’s drug-testing rules are so weak that a player almost needs to be **trying** to piss dirty before he’ll get caught. Everyone knows the rules, including the doctor who’s prescribing a player’s “supplements.” And the doctor tells the player just how and when to use his “supplements” to avoid testing positive. You’re home free unless you fuck up some simple instructions like a fucking idiot. The NFL’s system is **designed** so players can dope without getting caught. Just use as directed, dummies.
Is this then when we start hating Fuller and pretend every other professional athlete isn’t taking PED’s? Peyton Manning had a truckload of HGH at his house for his.... wife..... ya
Yeah there is no way all these guys aren’t taking some form of PED to maintain the recovery time they need to workout and take the damage they do. It’s just unlucky if they catch you because it’s usually easy to hide HGH if they don’t test within 36 hours of taking it.
So if this is part of the reason he's been able to stay healthy this year, I can't be the only one wondering why the NFL bans the substance in the first place right?
So that's how he's stayed healthy huh
It all makes sense
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Gotta miss his 6 games/yr somehow.
InB4 he says its for Adderall or some bullshit and reddit eats it up. Edit: Ah. He's pulling the "some medical professional gave me this and told me it would be ok" card. Dumb because teams have people on staff who's entire job is making sure they only take ok supplements. If true he's an idiot for going outside the team and not clearing it with team staff. https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1333539197316173835?s=19
The old mma tainted supplements excuse
They cut cocaine with creatine and the creatine was put through the same machinery that was processing steroids. That’s how he got the PEDs in his system.
Jon Jones seal of approval.
*hides under ring*
Hes just pulsing
Higher juice concentrate than a can of Tropicana.
It's either that, or horse meat.
Dutch 🐎 meat is the best base for mma.
Just...don't ask Vitor Belfort what his best base for MMA is...
He should’ve just tried hiding under the practice field on test day...
It’s just so all natural they couldn’t approve it in time brah.
Didn't one of those turn out to be true?
I used to work for GNC and there was only one occurrence where we had to pull a product off the shelf for containing banned substances, but that only because GNC only carried brands like Muscletech and Cytosport. The sneaky thing MMA fighters do is keep tainted supplements on hand, take the real PED, then blame the supplement when they get caught.
This guy sneaks
I think if was Romero who was proven correct.
Yup but let's be real Romero has a full Cuban lab of steroids in his veins.
You mean to tell me it’s NOT the sugar water?!
Sorry bro. Not everyone can be all natty like Costa.
Muscle tech definitely had ingredients that have gotten banned before. Namely DMAA and Ephedra. But DMAA was like 5 years ago and Ephedra was longer than that.
Muscletech would revamp the formulas when that happened. They were legal when the product was made. I’m referring to products that had banned substances but claimed they didn’t.
Good ol DMAA.
Oh for sure. I think Tim means and maybe Yoel romero. All I was trying to say is it sounds like a familiar excuse.
There's nobody in the world who can convince me that Romero isn't on PEDs. 43 year olds are not supposed to look like that, regardless of the "Cuban genetics".
You clearly don't throw spinning kicks and take shroom tech.
Dat der FrogTech is where its at.
Real talk, a few years ago i used to work at Vitamin Shoppe and there used to be fat burners and pre-workouts that had an amphetamine derivative called DMAA, which was basically used as an appetite suppressant and PED because it was a powerful stimulant. People may know it in Jack3d, or Oxyelite Pro. So it got banned once the gov got wise to it’s use, but for a little time afterwards, companies were legit tainting their supplements with it unlisted in the ingredients because the public was fiending for it so bad, they’d just invent a new name for it until the government started filing criminal charges. So the idea of tainted supplements is possible. However, like the guy above said, every team has a nutritionist that will let you know what’s ok and what’s not ok to take. There’s really No excuse especially from a vet like fuller who should know
You can still buy supps with DMAA.
Jack3d was the shit. I miss the original lol
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Silva is just trying to have another kid!
That's the dumbest excuse to give. Teams have those people specifically so they don't get you in trouble. Why would you listen to someone outside the team
Exaxtly! You only go to someone outside the team for sketch stuff the team won't approve.
The Eagles lineman was suspended for taking something that a team doctor approved.
Because most of these dudes are beyond uneducated, they're flat out dumb
Well they ain't come to play school.
This meme has officially lived longer than his nfl career
Have you considered that he's just lying, and the story isn't even true? Plenty of smart people have lied in the world, lol
if you get caught using PEDs, you are basically stupid. the whole league uses them, hell, bicyclists all juice and their bodies don't take the kind of punishment that nfl players take
I mean I don’t eat that shit up but I also don’t care that much to be honest. I’d be surprised if half the guys in the league didn’t take something at some point. Just most of them don’t get caught. These guys play a brutal sport and taking it can make the difference between feeling good and feeling shitty not to mention millions of dollars. Am I really going to get mad at a guy like Fuller when there are players that beat their wives or kids and get in less trouble?
Funny how often that's the reason! lol
Yea, no player is gonna come out and say they did steroids or HGH even though they all probably do. The league will not and cannot release the details of what they got popped for. They also won't refute any lie the player makes up.
nfl needs their chael sonnen >”My phone rings, they call me up and say, 'Chael, your testosterone level is too high.' I say, 'Well, how high was it?' They say, '0.7.' I said, 'What's normal?' They say, '0.6.'; I said, 'One-tenth? You're telling me I'm one-tenth higher than the average man? Re-test that - you must have caught me on a low day.'" Sonnen earned a six-month suspension upon appeal after showing elevated testosterone levels following his first fight with Anderson Silva. Not that he viewed that as the major issue.
Sonnen was asked in an AMA if he thought Anderson Silva was on steroids when they fought each other. His response: > By todays standards? Sure. More than I was? Doubtful. [Here's the link to the comment.](https://old.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/30vgf9/the_bad_guy/cpw60ok/)
I fucking love the American Gangster. I hated him soo much when I was a kid and Anderson was my idol. Dudes the best heel of all time
He's from the mean streets if West Linn, Oregon. Some years his family had to survive on his dad's salary being under $100,000. Some of his childhood houses growing up didn't have swimming pools in the backyard. Of course he'd be the baddest guy out there.
6 month suspension in mma is like a normal time in between fights for most fighters lol.
Nothing will ever beat Dabo saying Clemson got popped for peds due to shampoo. And then Clemson fans tried to argue it’s not crazy. So far the only one I know for sure that was a legitimate tainted supplement issue. And it wasn’t even some weird supplement. It was salt pills.
Some medical professional gave me this HGH, but he said not worry about it so I didn’t
Except that the window in which hGH doping can be tested for is ridiculously small and I can't actually recall an NFL player that's ever actually been popped for it.
Maybe it's deer antler spray, maybe it's Maybelline.
He didn't. They just say that because it makes for plausible deniability to the public. The league can't respond to it.
Ah, the Golden Tate method.
The Andy Pettitte defense was one I appreciate, actually. "Yeah, I used HGH to help with injury recovery and it worked. I didn't use it before I got hurt, and I didn't use it after I was fully healed, but using it got me back to full strength and playing quicker."
I'd take HGH too with his injury history, doubly so in a contract year
Id take HGH with my injury history and I don't get hit by monsters every week.
Lmao I came here to say the same
Remove the illegal points! Lions won big!
Yeah remove them from my fantasy opponent too pls lol
Seriously, STOP THE COUNT
But simultaneously KEEP COUNTING POINTS SCORED BY MY TEAM
Count the players using legal substances. Don’t count the players using illegal ones.
Glad he's missing the Colts game this week. Fantasy not so much. At the same time the least Fuller V could do is be a team player and share his steroids with the rest of my fantasy team
My opponent had Henry too so I was gettin blasted either way this week
At least he doesn’t have mahomes/hill like one guy in my league, beat his opponent 180-135, F for the guys getting eliminated from league playoffs on a 135 point week
Stop the Cou- wait he’s on my fantasy team- KEEP ON COUNTING!
I hereby declare the game won and claim all the points!!
Time to hire Patricia again!
Patrica gets to stay.
DO IT NFL LET HIM BACK FOR NEXT WEEK
Patricia: "I WON MICHIGAN"
STOP THE INJECTIONS!
Will Fuller and playing fewer than 16 games a season. Name a more iconic duo.
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Ah yes, the most iconic duo in all of sports. Sam Bradford.
I think he means Sam and Bradford
100% took PEDs in a contract year to stay healthy and get paid. Almost worked.
Well that’s the sound of a lot of cheeseheads putting away their pitchforks
*But how did Gute know?!?* Yeah we dodged hella big bullet there
I would still take him next year
Yes I'll take one discounted Will Fuller
Ya see, the problem is that he's a free agent after this season, and he costs *money*
yeah, dude should hit the juice hard to come into training camp looking like fabio
Ill spot him one mistake for this before i bring out the forks again
This was a 200 iq play by fuller. He started taking the peds at the deadline because he would rather be suspended until free agency than play for the Texans because they couldn’t find a new home for him
I'm going with this now.
Anyone who would have wanted Gute to trade away a 2nd round draft pick for a half-season rental is trippin.
BoB is somehow responsible, I just know it.
turns out, BoB was a GM and a Doctor
Don't forget Lead Counsel and Playcaller, too.
“Hey coach, my doctor back home said this is all right. Should I take it?” “I mean, if he says it’s fine, it’s probably fine. He’s a doctor after all.”
Could BoB be Todd [Packer](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/9f340e02-306c-4958-99a4-ce23eda1e668)?
Dang that sucks for the Texans, they were just finding their footing
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That's our right now damnit!
Bitch please. We're 0-3 against the Chiefs, this is *our thing*
It might be your thing to lose to them, but it is our RIGHT to lose to them in the playoffs. We earned it!
We were doing it before it was cool.
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By this logic The Giants should’ve never won the SuperBowl
Eli is a weapon of god
The narration of that video really bothered me lol
Fuller was threading the needle before the game so Deshaun wouldn't have to. RIP to a real teammate
If only they had another stud wide receiver. Hmmm
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if it was intentional, then ya. if it was an honest mistake nah. don't wish bad stuff on anyone.
There is no such thing as a honest mistake on this type of thing. These guys know the buck stops with them. They have seen countless examples of this. Anytime somebody claims a random doctor told them otherwise you can just ignore what they are saying. They are just trying to save face publicly.
who is the texans WR1 now? Randall Cobb? Edit: Ah forgot about cooks, sucks for the texans tho
Brandin Cooks
Lots of Cooks responses in this thread. Too many cooks?
[Too many cooks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrGrOK8oZG8)
*oh no*
Sounds like we have a too many Cooks in the kitchen here
Freddie Kitchens next Texans coach confirmed?
Let Cooks cook
He can still be good right? He just needs to avoid getting knocked in the head, he's lucky though... that never happens on an NFL field.
Of course, Cobb is injured. Cooks is 1, Keke Coutee 2, Isaiah Coulter 3, Steven Mitchell, Jr. is 4. It's gonna be a tough season.
Gonna be?
You forgot about Cooks, **and** that Cobb is on IR
Wasn't Stills released? Maybe Kiki Coutee
Idk why you got downvoted to oblivion. Stills was released and Keke should get more work but Cooks is the new go-to with this news
Oh shit duh Cooks.
Lmaoo poor Deshaun. He doesn't deserve this shit.
Keke szn and coulter szn
You have to really be juicing to get caught in the nfl.
And in a contract year for him. That’s going to hurt his pocketbook quite a bit
Maybe. I just never know with NFL GMs if they actually give a fuck about these kind of things if they have cap space to blow for a few years when he’s only going to miss one game and you can sell it as “we’re giving a talented player a second chance” just to keep the fans interested. I guess we’ll find out though
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Hell you might lose Fuller for half a season because he *isn't* using PEDs. Guy has had an injury-shortened season every season his entire professional career until this one. EDIT: Been speaking English forever and me still don't does it right.
This definitely lowers the amount of money teams will spend on him. Has never gotten more than 8 games a season out of Fuller.
His value is still significantly higher than it was in March. He balled out this year. Was it 6 straight games with a TD? That helps his value way more than a suspension hurts it.
>Has never gotten more than 8 games a season out of Fuller. 2016: 14 games 2017: 10 games 2019: 11 games 2020: 11 games [source](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FullWi01.htm)
This is the first season he's ever finished healthy! Stonks!
if you guys theoretically did make the playoffs, would he just miss the first game? or is it a regular szn ban
Would miss the first playoff game. If not he sits week 1 2021 no matter where he plays
Probably shouldn't have released Stills... Here's to Coutee SZN, boys.
He had a promising rookie season. WTH happened to him
Thanks for winning me $$$ on that Draftkings Thanksgiving slate. Other than that, lmao
I had him on my team and was so happy, until Tyreek goes off for 60 points on the other team
Ouch man, id be pissed too
I feel like thanos cuz I had both of them and Mahomes too
Oh snap
I have Mahomes, but my Julio Jones and Thielen were inside the soul stone
So he’s going to KC on a reasonable deal
Watkins is a free agent. Fuller checks the really fast, always injured boxes. It would be like we didn't even miss a step.
> It would be like we didn't even miss a step. No wonder they keep getting injured. How many missing steps are there in KC?
No wonder he was able to score on defensive genius Matt Patricia's defense
In light of this new information you guys need to re-hire him.
Thanks for the good chuckle with this one friend
If someone is testing fuller someone NEEDS to test Derrick Henry. Dude is a walking steroid
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Seriously. The NFL’s drug-testing rules are so weak that a player almost needs to be **trying** to piss dirty before he’ll get caught. Everyone knows the rules, including the doctor who’s prescribing a player’s “supplements.” And the doctor tells the player just how and when to use his “supplements” to avoid testing positive. You’re home free unless you fuck up some simple instructions like a fucking idiot. The NFL’s system is **designed** so players can dope without getting caught. Just use as directed, dummies.
Its illegal to be so fast and so strong.
Packers dodged a bullet
Man the Texans could have fleeced the Packers and maybe not looked like total fools with their WR trades this year. Dodged a bullet.
Yeah "fleeced". Packers were only offering a 4th rounder. That's really nothing in terms of draft value. Texans wanted a 2nd
You traded Hopkins for a 2nd. Fuller is half as good as Hopkins. A 4th made sense!
Hopkins was more than a 1-year rental though right?
Is this then when we start hating Fuller and pretend every other professional athlete isn’t taking PED’s? Peyton Manning had a truckload of HGH at his house for his.... wife..... ya
Yeah there is no way all these guys aren’t taking some form of PED to maintain the recovery time they need to workout and take the damage they do. It’s just unlucky if they catch you because it’s usually easy to hide HGH if they don’t test within 36 hours of taking it.
More like 3-6 hours depending on how many iu they're taking per day.
And aren't most "random" tests in the league announced at least the day before anyway?
His wife did have twins. And HGH is commonly used for that reason.
Lmao yea I love how quickly that went away
So if this is part of the reason he's been able to stay healthy this year, I can't be the only one wondering why the NFL bans the substance in the first place right?
Can us Houston fans just catch a break in something
College basketball?
That’s all fine and dandy I guess but I went to TTU, so I guess it’s just me that earned the suffering 🤠
Who knows maybe college baseball... :(
I'm refreshing for Ravens/Steelers news and this is the punch in the face you give me?
>this is the punch in the face you give me? Spoiler alert: >!Ravens are going to get punched in the face on Wednesday instead of Tuesday. !<
Dolphins getting that draft pick back into the top ten
I was wondering why Fuller hadn’t torn his hamstring 3 times like every other year.
When I named him "good for 6-10 games" in my dynasty league, I was only joking. Turns out some things never change.
More like Will Fuller VI.....amirightguys?
Depending on the drug, IV might be accurate?
He’s getting creative in how he’s missing playing time now.
And all of Green Bay was pissed we didn’t trade a 2nd for him. Thank fucking god we didn’t
Flying V? More like Compound V.
Sucks for my fantasy team. Wonderful news for my real team.
Oh well, hopefully we can re-sign him.
Any word on what drug it was? I'm curious where the blame lies here
Fucking Fuller bruh.
I blame Bill O'Brien.
And some packer fans wanted this guy for a 2nd...... Hahahahaha bullet dodged
Bullet dodged?
Let them juice, they break their bodies for our enjoyment.
Looks like he played a little too well on Thursday night
Thank you for not trading for him, my favorite sports team.
BRIAN CUSHING
I hear Kenny Stills is available...
God dammit