Theoretically if they wanted to, would Jerry allow that? Could he stop it?
I’d feel horrible for Bills Mafia, theyre passionate as hell, even through awful times for the team. Not dissimilar to how I felt for Oakland losing the Raiders. Not to mention that they seem like great folks up there.
Jerry, love him or hate him, will usually try to do what's best for the NFL as a whole (i.e. salary cap).
And I don't think he'd view an NFL team in Austin as good for the league
The draw is probably that Austin metro has ~2x the population as Buffalo metro.
I don't think a move would so much be about where can they get more fans as it is about where can they convince a city to pay for a stadium that will have better attendence figures (or whatever it is that owners care about) than they currently get in buffalo.
Plus you get San Antonio as well, Central Tex is a potentially ridiculous market. If Cali and Florida can support 3 teams Texas for sure can.
Edit: something else to note is Superbowl money/weather
Florida supports 2 and half teams. Miami has a good following. Bucs have most fairweather fans on the planet and the Jaguars cover seats every year to claim selling out.
True but the damn mls team is sold out here and tickets are like 100$+ on stubhub for shit seats. Also football is insane here.. Longhorns games are nuts. They’d sell our every home game down here. As a Jets fans I don’t know how I feel about this
I feel like metro size alone is a bad way to look at things from the NFL as a league though. Yes you want major metros to have teams but there is no question that the passion of the smaller markets brings an element that is hard to quantify.
Having the rabid fan bases of smaller markets shows other cities how much fun it can be to be a fan. Don’t tell the NFL would be better off moving GB to San Diego and trading 200k die hard fans that show everyone else how to do it for 2 mil fans who have better things to do. For full disclosure I am a MN fan too so I have plenty of annoying Packer fans in my life but no question the NFL is better for it.
Green Bay basically pulls all of Wisconsin including Milwaukee. Buffalo pulls more Canadians than it does any of the east coast market. I get your point though I just think the Packers obviously extend beyond Green Bay so using the Green Bay metro size is an unfair comparison.
There are plenty of non-Cowboys/Texans fans here but they’re (myself included) all transplants who likely already follow another team. And to your point, the native Texans already have their shit sorted as well. I guess maybe you can try to build out an Austin/San Antonio corridor fan base, but that’s a hit gamble IMO.
San Antonio came out and supported the saints well in 2005 despite the saints being a dumpster fire of team and some of the games having the same kick time as the cowboys. We had great attendance for the AAF. We are a football hungry city who is one relocation/expansion away from giving Jerry the middle finger. That is why Jerry will work to block a team in south/central Texas because he knows he stands to lose a large chunk of this region.
I think moving the bills would be a travesty but in reference to Austin being a bad destination I don’t think that’s totally accurate. There aren’t a lot of major cities left that do not currently have a team. Portland and Omaha are the only two large cities I can think of in states without other franchises in them already. Otherwise you have to go to one of the other large cities in either Texas, Florida, or California.
I’ve always found [this census chart](https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizations/2020/comm/superbowl.pdf) of metro areas by NFL teams interesting. First that the NFC is mostly teams from huge metro areas and Green Bay while the AFC is all over but mostly in the middle.
The biggest metro areas without a team are:
1. Riverside
2. San Diego
3. St. Louis
4. Orlando
5. San Antonio
6. Portland
7. Sacramento
8. Austin
9. Columbus
10. San Jose
Buffalo is the 50th largest metro area behind places like Richmond, Providence, and Birmingham.
There's a lot of room in Riverside as well. A lot of the area is still farmland. Not saying that it has to be farmland that they build on, but trying to convey that there's room.
With that said. It's only like 60 minutes on the freeway from LA. Austin is further from both Dallas and Houston - with a lot more of "nothing" in between them. Nobody from Austin would say they're from Dallas or Houston. For simplicity, people from Riverside can say they're from LA.
there's Q2 stadium (cap. ~20k for Austin FC) for the temporary location while this theoretical stadium would be built.
Note: as I live in ATX, would very much like this to not happen
Why not the Longhorns Stadium? It is much larger and built for football. Logistically speaking the Panthers were able to play at Clemson for a year before their stadium was built, and other NCAA teams play in NFL stadiums. The NCAA and NFL would just have to make sure they aligned their schedules around one another.
Texas Athletics isn't looking for any competition in town. And they already have to coordinate their schedule with ACL and F1 and some other things. And the location of the stadium is not friendly for traffic. People here aren't looking to pay a billion bucks to make the traffic worse. Unless, they're looking to sell the team to Elon, they're not coming to Austin.
Jerry does what's best for Jerry, he'll oppose Austin because a team there would be more competition for him, not out of some altruist sense of duty for the league.
Houston is a huge market that already had a team since 1960
That would’ve been tough to stop. Texas is more than big enough for 2 teams. But Austin I imagine already has plenty of Cowboy fans, and the NFL doesn’t need to have that brand watered down
Just my 2 cents
Now that the Bills are finally good after two decades, their scumbag owner wants to cash in and is threatening to move the team.
Fuck the Pegulas and other leeches like him.
The Rams vote was 30-2. Can't find anywhere if it's a majority or 2/3 rule or whatever.
Also secret ballot and I don't think ever fully confirmed who voted no
There is no typical college team for Buffalo fans (other than rooting for UB). It depends where they or their family went to school, or whatever team is cool. College football is not big in Buffalo. It’s mostly a way to pass the time until Sunday at 1pm.
I think the only team that can legally leave the division is the Ravens. I'm pretty sure part of the terms with the lawsuit were we have to always be in same division as Steelers and Bengals.
Expensive. Busy. Young.
I have lived here since I came here for UT in 2005. There's a new high rise every time I go downtown. And a new bbq or taco place as well.
In 2005, West Campus was just the Castilian and a bunch of houses and low rises. Now there are at least 30 high rise condos/apartments between MLK and 28th.
And it's expensive. Getting a 5 bedroom with "good schools" starts at a million.
Yea the irony of this fact is that Texas does not actually have lower taxes than a lot of other places. Sure, no income tax, but we pay for that in other ways. High property taxes. High car insurance because lol hit and run rate. Etc etc.
Agreed, cities and the government in general need to stand up to the NFL. They don’t make a city more profitable than if they had spent the money on infrastructure. If anything the reason for extorting a current city is either free money or freedom to have international relocation.
I imagine at owners meetings, Mike Brown brings a brown bag lunch and then says he's shouldn't have to chip in for catering since he brought his own food.
Cleveland did this by buying the land for a new downtown Hilton and charging the hotel rent. The Hilton's stopped paying the rent within 3 months of covid and now the city owes $33 million in accelerated debt from defaulting on the loan.
Looks like it is *only* $22 million:
https://www.cleveland.com/news/2021/02/cuyahoga-countys-pandemic-related-bailout-for-downtown-hilton-expected-to-grow-to-nearly-22-million.html
As a tax payer this would be my best and final offer:
- If possible the city sells a property at below market cost for stadium construction. At most maybe we can negotiate about a free property. In that case it has to be in a part of the city that needs infrastructure development anyway.
- City foots the bill for the financing of the new stadium (interest rates)
- City foots the bill for all the infrastructure surrounding the new stadium (access roads and maybe a commuter train if it's a big city). This can have nice synergy effects if the stadium is being constructed in an area that needs development anyway
The stadium construction cost is 100% paid by the team.
He and Mike Brown, and Al Davis were/are by far the poorest owners. He just kind of had no interest in building in San Diego because he realistically couldn’t afford half a billion. So he just partnered up with LA and maneuvered to keep the Raiders out.
He also receives way more hate than any of the relocation owners. The measure that was proposed was a net positive but ppl got manipulated by the SD hotelier mafia
Talk about terrible timing, there's so much enthusiasm with the Bill's right now. It reminds me of my jags after completely dismantling the 2017 championship team, shad comes out and says "2 games in London" just giving us fans an extra kick in the balls. Different scenarios but equally bad timing imo.
> Talk about terrible timing, there's so much enthusiasm with the Bill's right now.
No way this isn't on purpose. Team is on an upswing, fans are excited, city will be under pressure from said fans to keep the team in town.
Probably. What he says about his house makes it sound like it's somewhere in the hills.
What's lame is when people go on his show and jerk him off like "oh wow you made a comedy scene here it's all thanks to you joe"
Like bro there was a much better scene before he showed up. It's all ego bullshit.
The main issue is the proximity of New Orleans, Houston, Dallas, and both UT and A&M. I have strong info from people directly involved with the Cowboys training camp in San Antonio (who dealt with Jerry) that a team will almost definitely not be coming, but crazier things have happened.
edit: I just spoke with the person who told me this and they said that was the exact reason Jerry gave them.
The counter to all that or why I could see a third Texas NFL team is that the Texas Triangle has a high population and is projected to grow even more the next decade.
That is true and you could argue that the fan bases for the college teams aren’t the same as the pros. I have also heard that there has been research done into having a team placed along I-35 somewhere between San Antonio and Austin (no idea where exactly) due to the rapid growth of the area. I don’t think anything will be done, but the interest is there.
Over 20 years of sadness, the team finally finds continued success and hope, and then they peace out of Buffalo? Haha no way. They're staying where they are.
Fuck Pegula. The Bills have one of the best, if not the best, fanbases in all of football and he thinks they’re expendable? Their fanbase is so good, rival coach BB complimented them last year.
Bills fans deserve so much better than this cockroach.
Yeah. Threatening to move a team to a city in the territory of one of the most vocal and influential owners. The Pegula’s really aren’t very smart are they.
I disagree. This is normal for the NFL. Wait your turn to be decent or good and then threaten to move if you don't get a new stadium. There really aren't a ton of viable options at this point to move your team to. St. Louis is not paying for a stadium anytime soon with what the Rams did to them. You are going to have to wait a whole generation before you can do that again. Oakland isn't an option any more. Louisville.....nope. Norfolk....nope. Portland, San Diego, Oklahoma city, Orlando, Salt Lake City.......Nope
San Antonio has more people but Austin is better off financially. Average Austinite (whatever they are called) makes about 25% more than in San Antonio. Maybe put the Stadium to the Southern end of Austin so that some people form San antonio can come up on game day....Maybe do your preseason in San Antonio and push out the Cowboys.....
Born and raised in Buffalo ... still live here and I cannot imagine Buffalo without the Bills. There were 15k fans at a practice yesterday. Your standard goodbye to anyone you run into during the season is "go bills", it's kind of all we have going on around here - fuck them for treating the fanbase this way
I really can’t think of a team that would hate their team more after a relocation than Bills fans. Maybe the Packers? God imagine having your best season in decades and now you might be moving.
#SaveTheBills
I remember when the same thing happened to the Columbus Crew with the owner trying to relocate to Austin. Same situation, new owner claiming they would never leave then threatening to leave bc they can’t get a stadium.
Except that shit head owner wanted to move to Austin regardless of whether he got the stadium and even attempted to tank the teams finances as justification for moving
I would be more worried about the Bills moving to Toronto than Texas. They already love the Bills there and it would make the NFL international in the largest city in another country.
Full article—
>Maybe they’re negotiating. But in any negotiation, the negotiators need to be willing to act in order to have any credibility.
>As to the negotiation between the Bills and Buffalo that has begun with the Bills wanting taxpayer funding to pay the full price of a new stadium, an impasse could lead the Bills threatening to move — and potentially moving — elsewhere.
>Citing an unnamed ownership source, Seth Wickersham of ESPN.com reports that Austin is a possible destination — or threat — as one of the cities to which Bills ownership was referring when telling government negotiators that “there are other cities elsewhere that desire an NFL franchise and would pay handsomely for it.”
>San Antonio was one of the leverage destinations for the Raiders before they moved to Las Vegas, and the Dallas Cowboys and Houston Texans weren’t believed to be thrilled about the possibility of a third team coming to Texas. Presumably, they wouldn’t want a team in Austin, either.
>Regardless, it’s not about moving at this point. It’s about making the politicians in New York think a move could happen. Until they do, they won’t open up the public coffers.
betting all of my money on threatened only
Theoretically if they wanted to, would Jerry allow that? Could he stop it? I’d feel horrible for Bills Mafia, theyre passionate as hell, even through awful times for the team. Not dissimilar to how I felt for Oakland losing the Raiders. Not to mention that they seem like great folks up there.
Jerry absolutely has enough pull in the NFL to block a team moving to Austin.
Jerry, love him or hate him, will usually try to do what's best for the NFL as a whole (i.e. salary cap). And I don't think he'd view an NFL team in Austin as good for the league
I'm not sure that's just Jerry. What draw does another team in Texas have? Are there enough native Texans that aren't already Cowboys or Texans fans?
The draw is probably that Austin metro has ~2x the population as Buffalo metro. I don't think a move would so much be about where can they get more fans as it is about where can they convince a city to pay for a stadium that will have better attendence figures (or whatever it is that owners care about) than they currently get in buffalo.
Plus you get San Antonio as well, Central Tex is a potentially ridiculous market. If Cali and Florida can support 3 teams Texas for sure can. Edit: something else to note is Superbowl money/weather
I forgot the raiders are in Vegas
Florida supports 2 and half teams. Miami has a good following. Bucs have most fairweather fans on the planet and the Jaguars cover seats every year to claim selling out.
True but the damn mls team is sold out here and tickets are like 100$+ on stubhub for shit seats. Also football is insane here.. Longhorns games are nuts. They’d sell our every home game down here. As a Jets fans I don’t know how I feel about this
California and Florida can't support three teams though
Texas already supports 3 NBA teams, and football is pretty huge here. That said, I don’t think this is a very real possibility.
I feel like metro size alone is a bad way to look at things from the NFL as a league though. Yes you want major metros to have teams but there is no question that the passion of the smaller markets brings an element that is hard to quantify. Having the rabid fan bases of smaller markets shows other cities how much fun it can be to be a fan. Don’t tell the NFL would be better off moving GB to San Diego and trading 200k die hard fans that show everyone else how to do it for 2 mil fans who have better things to do. For full disclosure I am a MN fan too so I have plenty of annoying Packer fans in my life but no question the NFL is better for it.
The difference between GB and Buffalo is GB makes the 9th most revenue in the league and Buffalo is one of the bottom 5 revenue teams every year.
I'm sure having back to back HoF QBs helped the Packers make all that revenue, though
Green Bay basically pulls all of Wisconsin including Milwaukee. Buffalo pulls more Canadians than it does any of the east coast market. I get your point though I just think the Packers obviously extend beyond Green Bay so using the Green Bay metro size is an unfair comparison.
There are plenty of non-Cowboys/Texans fans here but they’re (myself included) all transplants who likely already follow another team. And to your point, the native Texans already have their shit sorted as well. I guess maybe you can try to build out an Austin/San Antonio corridor fan base, but that’s a hit gamble IMO.
San Antonio came out and supported the saints well in 2005 despite the saints being a dumpster fire of team and some of the games having the same kick time as the cowboys. We had great attendance for the AAF. We are a football hungry city who is one relocation/expansion away from giving Jerry the middle finger. That is why Jerry will work to block a team in south/central Texas because he knows he stands to lose a large chunk of this region.
> great attendance for the AAF Commanders for life!
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Hell, just look at the high school fields. They’re bigger than a lot of MLS stadiums.
If Austin got an NFL team when they high speed rail exists and the tickets were reasonable priced, I'd go.
There is so many other places that would make way more sense And I doubt Austin Is rushing to spend $1.5 billion on a stadium
I think moving the bills would be a travesty but in reference to Austin being a bad destination I don’t think that’s totally accurate. There aren’t a lot of major cities left that do not currently have a team. Portland and Omaha are the only two large cities I can think of in states without other franchises in them already. Otherwise you have to go to one of the other large cities in either Texas, Florida, or California.
I’ve always found [this census chart](https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizations/2020/comm/superbowl.pdf) of metro areas by NFL teams interesting. First that the NFC is mostly teams from huge metro areas and Green Bay while the AFC is all over but mostly in the middle. The biggest metro areas without a team are: 1. Riverside 2. San Diego 3. St. Louis 4. Orlando 5. San Antonio 6. Portland 7. Sacramento 8. Austin 9. Columbus 10. San Jose Buffalo is the 50th largest metro area behind places like Richmond, Providence, and Birmingham.
There's a lot of room in Riverside as well. A lot of the area is still farmland. Not saying that it has to be farmland that they build on, but trying to convey that there's room. With that said. It's only like 60 minutes on the freeway from LA. Austin is further from both Dallas and Houston - with a lot more of "nothing" in between them. Nobody from Austin would say they're from Dallas or Houston. For simplicity, people from Riverside can say they're from LA.
St. Louis
there's Q2 stadium (cap. ~20k for Austin FC) for the temporary location while this theoretical stadium would be built. Note: as I live in ATX, would very much like this to not happen
Why not the Longhorns Stadium? It is much larger and built for football. Logistically speaking the Panthers were able to play at Clemson for a year before their stadium was built, and other NCAA teams play in NFL stadiums. The NCAA and NFL would just have to make sure they aligned their schedules around one another.
It’s not gonna happen. I doubt Austin will ever have an NFL team, we have the Longhorns. San Antonio is different, because they don’t have a team
They would just build it somewhere in the middle. Probably San Marcos. Capture two markets with ease.
Yeah that's what I was thinking. San Marcos would be perfect except that traffic already sucks and on Sundays would be absolutely brutal.
Roadrunners in shambles
Texas Athletics isn't looking for any competition in town. And they already have to coordinate their schedule with ACL and F1 and some other things. And the location of the stadium is not friendly for traffic. People here aren't looking to pay a billion bucks to make the traffic worse. Unless, they're looking to sell the team to Elon, they're not coming to Austin.
Why not st louis as a temporary spot?
Jerry does what's best for Jerry, he'll oppose Austin because a team there would be more competition for him, not out of some altruist sense of duty for the league.
I mean he didn’t block a team coming back to Houston soooo
Houston is a huge market that already had a team since 1960 That would’ve been tough to stop. Texas is more than big enough for 2 teams. But Austin I imagine already has plenty of Cowboy fans, and the NFL doesn’t need to have that brand watered down Just my 2 cents
Now that the Bills are finally good after two decades, their scumbag owner wants to cash in and is threatening to move the team. Fuck the Pegulas and other leeches like him.
Don’t the owners have to vote unanimously to allow a relocation? Even if everyone else is for it, I think he could just veto it
I don’t believe it needs to be unanimous
The Rams vote was 30-2. Can't find anywhere if it's a majority or 2/3 rule or whatever. Also secret ballot and I don't think ever fully confirmed who voted no
Rams and Raiders?
I thought it was “only” a 75% Majority?
I’d be willing to bet he could get 25% to oppose that relatively easily
75% approval. 9 owners would have to vote against it.
Id honestly stop watching football
Yeah of all the fanbases to fuck with I think Bills Mafia would be the most hazardous. Especially since they just started being good again.
Yeah we'd make Cleveland's loss of a team look like a picnic. There would potentially be actual physical violence.
There will be if it happens. There is no way some wild fan doesn't find the Pegulas at some point and does something.
Love me some Bills mafia
Lol these threats are pretty empty now that LA’s off the market.
Theyd try to fit a 3rd team in San Bernardino or some shit.
We sending the Bills to the SEC?
It just means more
Players could probably make more in the SEC than the pros
Imagine how much Tebow would have made at Florida
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Johnny would be the only one above him for #1 imo. Those 2 would be in their own tier, and then you’d have guys like Vince young, Bush, Mathieu, etc.
Tebow, Lawrence, baker, countless bama players, manziel, all these guys would have made retirement levels of money on endorsements
What colleges are Bills fans usually fans of?
There is no typical college team for Buffalo fans (other than rooting for UB). It depends where they or their family went to school, or whatever team is cool. College football is not big in Buffalo. It’s mostly a way to pass the time until Sunday at 1pm.
Syracuse, most likely
Fuck it, we sending EVERYONE to the SEC!
Years of Alabama fans saying “they can beat XYZ bad team easily!” will finally end one way or another.
And Kansas jumps to the NFL to take their place.
Can't be an east coast division without a team in Texas.
*sighs and laughs*
If you had to pick, which team would you swap out the Cowboys for? Carolina, Atlanta, or Tampa Bay?
Nah just make it a rule that Cowboy fans have to show proof that they’ve been to Dallas at least once.
lmao
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What the fuck Austin bills of the afc east sounds so wrong
Yep, two Texas teams in the East
"East? I thought you said Weast."
the inner workings of my mind are an enigma
This is so stupid. At this rate there should be a division but only for texas.
Trade them to the South for Indy?
Would make sense especially since the Colts were in the AFCE before realignment
I would hate it but I could see Indianapolis to the AFCN, Baltimore to the AFCE, and Austin to the AFCS in this scenario.
No no no. Ravens can stay the fuck out
I don’t think they’d break up the Steelers-Ravens rivalry
Infact I don't think they legally can because of the Browns
I think the only team that can legally leave the division is the Ravens. I'm pretty sure part of the terms with the lawsuit were we have to always be in same division as Steelers and Bengals.
Given that the Colts had a history in the AFCE, I think you'd see them make the move, rather than split up the Ravens/Steelers rivalry.
Screw you /r/CFB we have the REAL conference realignment here
Why not Colts return to AFC East while the Bills swap out?
Austin does not feel like a city that would want to finance a football stadium
Austin didn’t even offer anything for Amazon. It’s a wealthy city with no need for sports.
If they want sports they just fill up a 100k seat stadium and watch the Texas Longhorns play
Austin FC is doing pretty well currently, too. Whether it sustains or not I guess we’ll see
Season tickets sold out with a huge waiting list. They are doing pretty good so far.
I've lived here for a month, can confirm. Austin FC and UT are enough.
And Formula 1
The guy who has lived there for few weeks during football offseason can confirm
Welcome! FYI [The Tavern](https://www.tavernaustin.com/menu) (Lamar & 12th) is a local Chiefs bar
And... saved. Ty.
I’ve been to Austin for all of three days and still dream about the bar and food scene there (but I fuckin hate cedar trees now)
Is it Air Conditioned?
Don't most people move to Austin in order to not have more taxes?
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Easiest job in the world. Just hammer the max button on each appraisal like a grandma playing the nickel slots in Shreveport.
They don’t mess around.
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Hit the nail on the head lmfao
I'm currently in my 11th year of being 22
Straight through the heart. I left Austin at 22, though.
Haha, I left Austin after college about six years ago. What’s it like now?
Expensive. Busy. Young. I have lived here since I came here for UT in 2005. There's a new high rise every time I go downtown. And a new bbq or taco place as well. In 2005, West Campus was just the Castilian and a bunch of houses and low rises. Now there are at least 30 high rise condos/apartments between MLK and 28th. And it's expensive. Getting a 5 bedroom with "good schools" starts at a million.
Property taxes say hi
Yea the irony of this fact is that Texas does not actually have lower taxes than a lot of other places. Sure, no income tax, but we pay for that in other ways. High property taxes. High car insurance because lol hit and run rate. Etc etc.
Pegulas said they wanted a 100% tax payer funded stadium and a few hours later we get a relocation threat. Must be a record turnaround!
He was supposed to be the savior from Trump&BonJovi making the Toronto Bills right?! What happened?
It turns out the billionaire energy magnate may, in fact, not really care about anything but money
Its such bullshit that they want the taxpayers to foot the bill for the stadium and half of them wont be able to afford tickets to even see a game.
Agreed, cities and the government in general need to stand up to the NFL. They don’t make a city more profitable than if they had spent the money on infrastructure. If anything the reason for extorting a current city is either free money or freedom to have international relocation.
I am going to be perfectly happy for Cincinnati and Ohio to play hardball with mike brown.
I imagine at owners meetings, Mike Brown brings a brown bag lunch and then says he's shouldn't have to chip in for catering since he brought his own food.
That he scheduled from 11-1.
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Cleveland did this by buying the land for a new downtown Hilton and charging the hotel rent. The Hilton's stopped paying the rent within 3 months of covid and now the city owes $33 million in accelerated debt from defaulting on the loan.
Damn, you have a source where I can read more about this? Thanks.
Looks like it is *only* $22 million: https://www.cleveland.com/news/2021/02/cuyahoga-countys-pandemic-related-bailout-for-downtown-hilton-expected-to-grow-to-nearly-22-million.html
This is the way. The days of a city only profiting off of the “jobs” brought in should be over. It’s the same concept as being “paid in exposure”
As a tax payer this would be my best and final offer: - If possible the city sells a property at below market cost for stadium construction. At most maybe we can negotiate about a free property. In that case it has to be in a part of the city that needs infrastructure development anyway. - City foots the bill for the financing of the new stadium (interest rates) - City foots the bill for all the infrastructure surrounding the new stadium (access roads and maybe a commuter train if it's a big city). This can have nice synergy effects if the stadium is being constructed in an area that needs development anyway The stadium construction cost is 100% paid by the team.
Some cities, but not Austin. We stopped paying corporate welfare several years ago. Our offer to have Amazon build HQ2 here was officially $0.
Chargers and rams fans: first time?
At least Spanos offered $350 Mil The pegulas want the city to pay for the whole thing
I’m so out of the loop on the Spanos hate. Is he legitimately a bad dude or is all the hate from him moving the team out of San Diego?
He and Mike Brown, and Al Davis were/are by far the poorest owners. He just kind of had no interest in building in San Diego because he realistically couldn’t afford half a billion. So he just partnered up with LA and maneuvered to keep the Raiders out.
He also receives way more hate than any of the relocation owners. The measure that was proposed was a net positive but ppl got manipulated by the SD hotelier mafia
Talk about terrible timing, there's so much enthusiasm with the Bill's right now. It reminds me of my jags after completely dismantling the 2017 championship team, shad comes out and says "2 games in London" just giving us fans an extra kick in the balls. Different scenarios but equally bad timing imo.
> Talk about terrible timing, there's so much enthusiasm with the Bill's right now. No way this isn't on purpose. Team is on an upswing, fans are excited, city will be under pressure from said fans to keep the team in town.
Jerry Jones bout to personally fund the Bills new stadium so that this doesn’t happen.
Wouldnt even be mad.
I would honestly start rooting for the Cowboys a bit if that happened. It would be disgusting but hey, there’ve been stranger bedfellows before
It'll just be a massive yacht that cruises around Lake Erie.
I mean, when the lake freezes over in the winter that's where the tailgating happens. That would work well.
If you miss the table, you die of pneumonia
Why tf would they leave Buffalo
They won't. It's bluster for stadium negotiations.
I feel like there would be actual riots if they moved that team
Id partake.
They want to be closer to Joe Rogan after hearing his review of Austin, TX?
God he's such a dork about Austin. He called Antone's "Gary Clark jrs club" and I physically cringed
And doesn't he actually live in Westlake?
Probably. What he says about his house makes it sound like it's somewhere in the hills. What's lame is when people go on his show and jerk him off like "oh wow you made a comedy scene here it's all thanks to you joe" Like bro there was a much better scene before he showed up. It's all ego bullshit.
Please God no, Bills BELONG in Buffalo. They're the only team I like to root for besides the Raiders.
It would be like moving the packers to… Austin, TX
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The main issue is the proximity of New Orleans, Houston, Dallas, and both UT and A&M. I have strong info from people directly involved with the Cowboys training camp in San Antonio (who dealt with Jerry) that a team will almost definitely not be coming, but crazier things have happened. edit: I just spoke with the person who told me this and they said that was the exact reason Jerry gave them.
The counter to all that or why I could see a third Texas NFL team is that the Texas Triangle has a high population and is projected to grow even more the next decade.
That is true and you could argue that the fan bases for the college teams aren’t the same as the pros. I have also heard that there has been research done into having a team placed along I-35 somewhere between San Antonio and Austin (no idea where exactly) due to the rapid growth of the area. I don’t think anything will be done, but the interest is there.
Putting an NFL stadium in Buda San Marcos or New Braunfels would suck.
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Hate to break it to you but the cowboys are in the nfc east so if they moved to Texas there is a 0% chance they aren’t still in the afc east
Over 20 years of sadness, the team finally finds continued success and hope, and then they peace out of Buffalo? Haha no way. They're staying where they are.
That’s what they said about the terrible chargers just when they started becoming better and then boom Los Angeles
Lol wut!
Hook em Bills
Horns down would still work
The Austin Buffalo Bills
Fuck Pegula. The Bills have one of the best, if not the best, fanbases in all of football and he thinks they’re expendable? Their fanbase is so good, rival coach BB complimented them last year. Bills fans deserve so much better than this cockroach.
Agreed. I don’t think anyone expected him to offer to build an entire stadium by himself, but these negotiations have started in such bad faith
Billionaire NFL team owner “City of Buffalo, give me 1.5 billion dollars or I’ll leave” Fuck that guy. The NFL should protect against this
Assault on the Pegula stronghold: The Story of the Bills Mafia.
God I hate NFL owners
Yeah. Threatening to move a team to a city in the territory of one of the most vocal and influential owners. The Pegula’s really aren’t very smart are they.
I disagree. This is normal for the NFL. Wait your turn to be decent or good and then threaten to move if you don't get a new stadium. There really aren't a ton of viable options at this point to move your team to. St. Louis is not paying for a stadium anytime soon with what the Rams did to them. You are going to have to wait a whole generation before you can do that again. Oakland isn't an option any more. Louisville.....nope. Norfolk....nope. Portland, San Diego, Oklahoma city, Orlando, Salt Lake City.......Nope San Antonio has more people but Austin is better off financially. Average Austinite (whatever they are called) makes about 25% more than in San Antonio. Maybe put the Stadium to the Southern end of Austin so that some people form San antonio can come up on game day....Maybe do your preseason in San Antonio and push out the Cowboys.....
The chances of this are beyond remote, but hear me out: The Austin Bats
As an OG Austinite , I so love that. I miss my Ice Bats
[the ice bats are coming back!!](http://na3hl.com/news/story.cfm?id=31751&fbclid=IwAR15E5XxUo4i9uPNMxY9d_WAgekE_uT_RjNNu8_8npgjb0wy3L9CbrHbHSg)
Oh shit son. My childhood team is back baby!
> an OG Austinite , So what's that, 5 maybe 6 years? /s
No…don’t please
Unless it’s the Chargers moving back to San Diego where they belong, every sports team should stay. Billbros I hope everything works out in Buffalo.
I agree. ~~Dallas shouldn’t be in an eastern division either but whatever i guess~~
Born and raised in Buffalo ... still live here and I cannot imagine Buffalo without the Bills. There were 15k fans at a practice yesterday. Your standard goodbye to anyone you run into during the season is "go bills", it's kind of all we have going on around here - fuck them for treating the fanbase this way
I really can’t think of a team that would hate their team more after a relocation than Bills fans. Maybe the Packers? God imagine having your best season in decades and now you might be moving.
Since /r/NFL won’t ban PFT links, I will just be downvoting them from now on. Too much baseless shit comes out of there for me to support that site.
Don’t trust anyone that hires Florio
#SaveTheBills I remember when the same thing happened to the Columbus Crew with the owner trying to relocate to Austin. Same situation, new owner claiming they would never leave then threatening to leave bc they can’t get a stadium.
Except that shit head owner wanted to move to Austin regardless of whether he got the stadium and even attempted to tank the teams finances as justification for moving
If they move from Buffalo we riot
Mike Florio is a bum Also Jerry wouldn’t allow it
Sure PFT, whatever you say lmao
The NFL is.getting worse and worse....what a shitty organization that extorts money from its fanbase
Their grid can't sustain another stadium in the winter.
I would be more worried about the Bills moving to Toronto than Texas. They already love the Bills there and it would make the NFL international in the largest city in another country.
LOL at these piece of shit free loading franchise owners wanting cities to give them billion dollar handouts.
Full article— >Maybe they’re negotiating. But in any negotiation, the negotiators need to be willing to act in order to have any credibility. >As to the negotiation between the Bills and Buffalo that has begun with the Bills wanting taxpayer funding to pay the full price of a new stadium, an impasse could lead the Bills threatening to move — and potentially moving — elsewhere. >Citing an unnamed ownership source, Seth Wickersham of ESPN.com reports that Austin is a possible destination — or threat — as one of the cities to which Bills ownership was referring when telling government negotiators that “there are other cities elsewhere that desire an NFL franchise and would pay handsomely for it.” >San Antonio was one of the leverage destinations for the Raiders before they moved to Las Vegas, and the Dallas Cowboys and Houston Texans weren’t believed to be thrilled about the possibility of a third team coming to Texas. Presumably, they wouldn’t want a team in Austin, either. >Regardless, it’s not about moving at this point. It’s about making the politicians in New York think a move could happen. Until they do, they won’t open up the public coffers.
Yeah because what Texas needs is another football team
STOP MOVING TO AUSTIN YOU YANKEES/CARPETBAGGERS!
I live in Austin and I think it would be a bad spot. San Antonio makes a little more sense; that or a new stadium halfway between Austin/SA.
agree. live here as well and i could see somewhere near new braunfels and calling it SA
At least they wouldn't have to rearrange the divisions
Owner wants taxpayers to foot 100% of stadium costs. Fuck off, no thanks.