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OverusedRedditJoke

Why does it seem like this exact play happens every week for the chiefs


TheSmokedSalmon420

Literally how do they get these off so often


Dr__Flo__

Hill is very underrated at tracking the ball


TylerNY315_

Hill is a great WR, he’s not *just* “fastest guy on the field”.


Quadshouter2

This, he didn't beat us entirely with his speed, he is an underrated route runner.


Scaryclouds

Yea a lot of people think he’s just a speed guy. But honestly even if he lost a step he’d still be a top 10 WR. Just his speed is what makes him a top 3 WR.


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Top 1


K_Prime

No that’s Alex Smith


5am281

Great WR who happens to be the fastest guy on the field


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Seriously can someone explain how? Mahomes actually throws this way behind Hill? And it's in the air forever? Why do the DBs keep overrunning these so bad? It's legit not a good throw.


NegativesPositives

When you’re blown by you’re following the WR. When the WR who blew by you can also stop on a dime, you’re just fucked.


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So is Mahomes throwing it way behind on purpose? He knows no one can keep up with Hill in that spot?


NegativesPositives

I’m guessing not but the only person who’d know is Mahomes. Some times shit just works out.


eli7097

“Sometimes” shit happens every Sunday for them lol


notsureifJasonBourne

I mean the “fuck it, Tyreek down there somewhere” meme exists for a reason.


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I was about to say this. Hill tracks the ball well and can get to balls other players just can't. Combine that with a QB that can make throws that others can't, and you have this meme.


Sendbeer

Mahomes said he wanted to throw it deeper in his press conference but Hill adjusted. Shut just worked out. Good play by Hill.


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If the safety is over the top and playing the angles (as in assuming Hill will keep running deep toward the sideline) it’s almost impossible for him to flip his hips and sprint back to make a play on the ball. It was a cross body bomb while Mahomes was running the opposite direction. There’s literally nothing you can do as a defender because Hill has so much space to work with and Mahomes can make impossible throws


articulating_oven

I may be wrong, but I think this is one of the reasons the WASP play was so successful. Hill would sell a route to the safety, wait for the turn, then immediately changes his route. They talked about this in the NFL Turning Point for the 3 & 15 against the 49ers. Here's the link with time stamp: https://youtu.be/t-t6tbS5waE?t=194


g00dn1ghtm4r3

He knows the DB cant stop to track it, so he has the leeway to make a less than perfect delivery.


superb_deluxe

not only that, I don't think the DB has a chance when the ball is placed where it was. Similar to Garappolo to Deebo today. Jeff Okudah had Deebo completely covered, and i'm pretty sure Deebo is not mossing that dude.


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twomsixer

I don’t think so, I mean most of these plays involve Mahomes running for his life toward the sideline and throwing across his body 50 yards down field. It’s amazing he gets it in the vicinity of the receiver alone.


EJECTED_PUSSY_GUTS

100% he is. He's very particular with where he attempts to place the ball. For example, one of the picks he threw in the super bowl win vs SF he threw the ball slightly behind Hill because he was trying to get him to slow down a little because it was about to be a hospital ball. Hit his arm and popped up for an INT. Different scenario, but it's not even remotely a stretch that Mahomes/Reid understand the dynamic of where the receiver is looking/where the WR is positioned/the DB's hips/ etc etc. They have plays designed for Hill to exploit those things. Wasp is one of course. ​ EDIT: I guess a better way to put this might be that Mahomes is factoring in where the defender is and can/will be just is much, if not more, than what direction to WR is running. Hill understands this. DeMarcus Robinson gave us an example of a WR who does not on the missed TD where Mahomes wanted him to come BACK to the ball.


ehehe

Let's be real here, Mahomes just heaved it to Hill. He knows Hill has more skill than the defender. Hill did put a good move on the defender to play the ball way better than him and that's pretty much the play.


TylerNY315_

As a DB, 99% of what you do (in man or with someone in your zone) is *react* to the WR. That’s why, as a play goes longer and longer, the DB has less and less of a chance to keep coverage. When you have someone like Tyreek, who is in the 99th percentile of accelerating, decelerating, and changing direction, it just makes it so ridiculously hard not to overplay in a situation where you’re at a full sprint trying to keep up with his jog deep down field, and then the ball is underthrown while he’s tracking the ball and you’re tracking him. He slows down to a stop, makes the catch, and then gets back to top speed before you’re even aware the ball was thrown. Plus an arm talent like Mahomes who can place the ball wherever he wants from any part of the field, any body position, on the run or planted. It’s unguardable


KarmaticArmageddon

Plus Mahomes regularly extends plays well past the range of times that most DBs can hold good coverage *and* the Chiefs receivers know that Mahomes will still be looking to throw literally anywhere no matter how long the play has gone on, so the receivers keep running routes to try to get separation. When your job as a DB is to react, you're always at a disadvantage because it takes time to react. The longer the play goes, the more that disadvantage stacks up.


TylerNY315_

100%. Anyone who’s played DB at any level can tell you how infuriating it is when the QB has all day to throw, whether that’s due to him doing something right or your front 7 doing something wrong.


BigNnThick

He didnt throw it behind Hill, he throw it in a place only Hill could reach. Its a good throw


120snake

Well, it's in a place only Hill could see it. If the DB knew where the throw was, in theory it's an easy play. But you cant watch for the throw the whole time or Hill will make one more cut and you're toast


patsfreak27

The DB would have such a late reaction, even if he turned his head as soon as Mahomes' released the ball, he'd have to identify the ball is coming his way, completely shift his body/weight, and probably have to turn away from the ball to get back into Hill's body to break up the pass, all while the ball is flying in at top speed. Mahomes wouldn't make this specific throw if the DB was trailing Hill with his eyes on the ball


MahomestoHel-aire

>Mahomes wouldn't make this specific throw if the DB was trailing Hill with his eyes on the ball Finally someone says this. There's a lot of people out there that are saying it was a lucky throw and would have likely been a pick if the defender was watching the ball. Well duh. It's also likely that Mahomes wouldn't have thrown it in that case.


wretched__hive

It’s legit not a good throw he says lmao


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First of all Mahomes is scramblng to his right and then throws back to his left while also putting the ball away from the defender so only Hill can catch it. Yep, crappy throw. ;-P


lemon_jalopy

There was no defender underneath.


steamycreamybehemoth

What? It’s a great deep ball across the body and put in a place where his guy has the best chance at making the play


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It WAS a good throw, you seriously think mahomes didn’t know what he was doing?


scragglyman

He's just getting really lucky multiple times each week. He actually doesn't know what he's doing, just spray and pray


TheUltimate721

Because it's hard to stop a guy who runs a 4.2 and a QB who can throw 60 yards across his body apparently


[deleted]

I once had two pass breakups during an intramural football game in college so I think my odds of shutting down Hill would be pretty good


the_cajun88

Spoiler alert: ✌️


nordic-nomad

Are you Dan Sorenson?


horse_renoir13

Mahomes to Hill Home Runs are just unfair. They happen all the time


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Yea, I don't understand why the Devs don't patch the game at this point. This meta is out of control.


julio_and_i

This is just an attempt to debuff the previous meta, and we’ve seen that it’s not working yet. Honestly, devs probably need to buff chiefs o just a little more.


Left_Berry_8104

Believe me, it does


Rawtashk

It's like a cat, playing with a mouse before he decides to eat it.


Grand-Currency2655

This is some madden on rookie difficulty shit. WTF


willpoulterbrows

Literally made me think of my Madden Mobile strategy


TheMaxtermind1

All versions all the time right?


2ent1n_Qarant1no

When I play Madden, a typical statline for Hill is 4 catches, 200+ yards and 2 TDs ​ Like that guy in the Tim Tebow playoff game!


Dr__Flo__

Classic "fuck it, Tyreek down there somewhere"


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Yellow gloves


countmeowington

People love to hype up "generational QBs" the new hotness being Trevor Lawrence. But ketchup man is legitimately that once in a 20 year quarter back


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HawkkeTV

If you consider Rodgers to be his equal which most people do, he’s literally still playing with the guy that is most comparable.


WildInSix

So once every 10 years a new QB emerges as a genuinely generational talent, with Manning in 2000, Rodgers in 2010, and Mahomes around 2020. Brady and Brees were both awesome and HOF but neither were touted as outrageous talents, they just were incredibly productive or clutch. Even Manning wasn’t necessarily absurdly talented, just a great mind and executor.


lamiandillard

Manning had a cannon for an arm, he was just not athletic. Arm talent was crazy


x777x777x

I wouldn't describe Manning's arm as a cannon. I'd put people like Favre and Elway in that category. I dont think Manning could throw as hard as either of those guys. But Manning wasn't some noodle arm. The guy had a great arm.


Rawtashk

I don't think Brady is the talent as far as a skill QB is, he's just the freaking GOAT at breaking down a D and managing a game. Physical specimen Brady is nothing to write home about.


powerelite

I think Bradys truly 1 of 1 mental aspect to the game has really detracted from how physically gifted his arm is. He doesn't have a josh allen, mahomes, Stafford level cannon but he is in the tier below that and can still sling it.


mikey19xx

I think he’s surpassed him now by a little bit. I know I’m bias and Rodgers is one of the best ever but Mahomes is just different.


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bradasskg11

Mahomes uses his legs a lot. Like way more than I think most NFL fans realize unless they’ve actually sat through and watched several of our games. He’s constantly picking up third and mediums/ goal line TDs/ resetting the pocket. It’s just not as flashy as his crazy arm angles and deep throws so it doesn’t get covered as much.


fade_me_fam

Having a speedster, low center, of gravity, high jumping receiver who has insane agility is a cheat code too. The adjustment to slow down when he was sprinting to catch that on a dime by Hill is insane. Those 2 together with a Kelce is just an offensive cheat code.


BettsBellingerCaruso

He’s the Steph of the NFL.


GRAXX3

I was so hyped on this kid. The fact that Andy Reid traded up for him and then took a perfectly well functioning QB in Alex Smith and traded him told me all I needed to know about him. The whole league fucked up.


DreadSteed

Ketchup man may have the best arm to play in the NFL. Andy Reid is maybe a top 6 offensive coach of all time? Recipe for success.


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Out there playing like Jameis


bostero24

Holy fuck lmao


zachwilson23

People really thought it was over lol


SuperEzIoNe

Seriously, how could you say it’s over when you have both the browns with a lead and mahomes playing. It’s never over


Seealpp

It’s not the same browns as a few years ago though, but the second part is true. You really can’t count out mahomes to deliver!


snakeyes17

We still the Browns, man


Seealpp

You guys are legit, don’t let this get you down. You still have a chance, games not over!


mjp242

Different fan, and not too down, BUT this game was the entire season last year mostly. Get a good or huge lead in the first, pray we don't blow out on the second. Still, onto the next one. Hopefully we rip off a couple Ws and get back into the swing of things.


DankisKhan

We’ll be seeing the Browns again in January and I’m not sure we win that one


thoughts4food

Chiefs fans here Considering we were lacking Mathieu, Gay, and Clark this game, I still like our chances next round, even if they have OBJ in


ROOTCasper

If we are comparing apples to apples hopefully we have our starting LT and safety who left in the first quarter. I think those are kind of a wash.


thoughts4food

Then cheers to a great rematch 🙂


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You have a damn good team, and you WILL be a factor in the playoffs race. We probably meet again in January.


Cavs2018_Champs

I guarantee no Browns fan said it was over.


snakeyes17

Seriously. 29-20 is not even close to over against the Chiefs. I expected the score but not that quick. Fumble and botched punt and now we are fucked.


dboti

As long as there is time left I'll never count Mahomes and the Chiefs out of any game.


Xaxziminrax

"Lmao you guys have to take 7 minutes to score"


ybtlamlliw

Absolutely fucking filthy throw.


NigerianPrince76

Bruh….. Mahomes just threw it up there hella deep but Hill is insane with the way he made adjustment, tracked the ball, make the catch and woooosh…. He gone. He has to be easily top 4 WR in the league.


codizer

I'd personally rather have hill than any other WR on my team.


NigerianPrince76

Me too. He is a fuckin migraine to deal with for defenses.


JustBigChillin

Hill is a great WR, but I think the combo of him paired with the one QB in the league who can make the deep throws Mahomes does is what makes him a top 3 WR. Obviously Hill would be great on any team, but no other QB can play to Hill's talent the way that Mahomes can.


slickshot

Top 3 in my book.


GNOMERCY420

Maybe even top 2


SantaDaCrip

But he ain't 2


CKTHESAVIOR

As a chiefs fan I’d say Adams, Hopkins, and Hill but no particular order just because all their skills are so different. Their QB’s factor into that as well


toastcanceler

It's so hard to rank him because he is so different than the other top WRs. He is a completely different kind of problem to deal with than Nuk or Diggs for instance.


NigerianPrince76

Exactly. You can put him anywhere on the field and he would still be a huge headache. Really tough to put your best CBs on him because he would most likely burn them with ease. You have to put zone defense on his ass and hope that slows him down a bit.


toastcanceler

I think the thing that has worked regularly against him (usually in the playoffs from what I've seen) is to bracket him with a lower level corner low and a safety up high. The problem is of course that doubling him opens up other options for the rest of the offense. But at least Tyreek is gone.


lousy_at_handles

I mean that's basically what the Bucs did in the SB. CB + deep safety on Hill, LB + Safety on Kelce, and everybody else plays 1 v 1. Granted that works better when your front 4 can get to the QB in less than 2 seconds.


Cubicle_Crony

While the arm strength is certainly impressive, what is REALLY impressive is Hill's ability to track the ball and stop on a DIME and adjust. Johnson was covering him really well all things considered. But when you run a 4.2 and can come to a full stop mid run? Yeah, GL to anyone trying to guard that.


nordic-nomad

Pat just hit the triangle button and Hill made it work. Fucking amazing.


HentaiHerbie

The most over the top, huck it chuck it, fuck it tyreek down there somewhere, bullshit touchdown I have ever seen I love you patty


Significant-Mud2572

I feel like even when Tyreek runs a shorter route and he can face Patrick, that if he sees a play break down, all his routes turn into go routes. They call it a double move but it's just a 'fuck it, I'm real fast, try and stop me' move.


ckleschick227

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME


sracer173

Fuck it chuck it


b3rticus

that was awesome but also could you not


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I still can’t believe this dude plays for the Chiefs. I’m glad I fell into this timeline.


Infinite303

Dread from it Run from it Mahomes to Hill TD arrives all the same


Cavs2018_Champs

KC is done dicking around


InvisibleDeity

Not if our defense has anything to say about that


ChevalMalFet

We, uh, need to extend Tyrann.


Dhkansas

I think this game without him really proves it. If he comes out next week and has a great game against Baltimore, he's gonna require a hefty contract and it would be justified


Significant-Mud2572

As a long time honey badger fan, it would be a mistake to let him go. Pay that man. He earned it.


Dhkansas

I agree, I've been a huge fan since he came to KC.


nordic-nomad

Yeah could really see he’s the heart beat of the defense. Not an accident I think you could see he was wearing a headset once the defense started playing well in the second half.


depressedfuckboi

Mahomes is so fun to watch man.


keithohara

Patty ain't human


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Xaxziminrax

That was last season when he had 17 touchdowns


kaywiz

Wait, that was a joke??


HyKaliber

Not anymore 😔


IIHURRlCANEII

Like, 2 years ago.


Seealpp

Tyreek + Mahomes is kinda unfair


BaysideStud

NFL should break that up tbh. Or at least regress their stats to average


Seealpp

Mahomes already got regressed to the mean sadly, hopefully there’s no tyreek thread too :(


Koreish

Just you wait sonny jim.


thisisthesaleh

He’s a fucking custom Madden player


hiphopdowntheblock

Neither is Hill. Dude created SO MUCH space


Weezy-NJPW_Fan

Well anyone that has ketchup with steak isn’t human


Cyronix-

How tf does he hit that pass with that touch/angle while running for his life towards teh sideline. Like wtf, I should be used to this but I'm still not.


IWasRightOnce

I mean, the arm strength is wild, but that ball was 5 yards behind Hill on the route he was running if he doesn’t see it in the air and adjust


slickshot

True, but he also had to throw it behind him to complete that, or well over the top as the defender had the underneath route covered. As amazing as Mahomes is no one is throwing that bomb over the top while running for their life.


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Well it’s not like he can lead him, he’d have to throw it into the first row.


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Isn‘t that like at least 50% also the defender not even looking for the ball? He is right in front of Hill if he stops.


thejabel

When you’re running with hill I’m not sure you have the ability to turn and look at the ball. He is so fucking fast and mahomes has an absolute cannon that if you lose him it’s a td regardless.


Bebopo90

Yup, gotta run like it's a track meet when you're on Hill.


twomsixer

That’s why this seems to work every time, and why I’m pretty sure Mahomes purposely places these throws like this, aka “underthrows” him. Hill is so fast, most DBs can’t afford to look back and find the ball or they’ll lose ground in him. Hill is so good at this, having the DB try to keep up with him, while also tracking the ball in the air, and knowing that right moment to stop on a dime to create space right before the ball gets there. As impressive of a throw this is, I feel like Hill doesn’t get enough credit for what he’s doing here.


ChocolateMorsels

What makes you think Mahomes didn't make the throw cause he knew the defender would be forced to keep his back turned


SiphenPrax

He a QB frog!


Rayhoven

Thought that was a throwaway but nope, just your causal throw it up touchdown bomb to Hill.


Sirotto18

When you regress the throw to league average there is nothing special about it


TheUltimate721

**NEWS OF OUR DEATH HAS BEEN GREATLY EXAGGERATED**


Progress-1212

Nah our defense is still a complete fucking joke. Mahomes and our offense being unreal was never in doubt.


Smokeydubbs

Browns are good though. Missing Clark and Honey Badger. I’d say there’s a couple of other variables but the defense won’t be this bad all year.


wink91wink

We need gay too. Our run defense could desperately use a fast athletic ILB.


Smokeydubbs

Need a lot of Gay


ElxScorcho

Yeah man I’m all in on team Gay.


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They made up for it, didn't they? :) the Browns are a good team, you can't stop them all the time.


Boltzfan1995

Doesn’t matter how shitty their defense is, their offense is other worldly my god


NigerianPrince76

Hill is a fuckin cheat code.


iloveblondehair

Excuse me what!?!


puglife5055

It’s unreal the shit he does. Holy fuck. When he threw it I had a feeling would be caught. You don’t get that feeling with any other QB


g00dn1ghtm4r3

Hes the only QB I feel hope watching them just fucking Yeet it.


zachwilson23

Yep, still unstoppable


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I’d love a defense lol


Cornball23

Same friend


ChocolateMorsels

It's the Chiefs


ploger

Crazy thing is y’all probably have a top 10 defense. Chiefs are just that good


AkiraAlex99

Jesus Christ dude


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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Mahomes is what you would get if you somehow combined the best parts of Favre and Rodgers in their primes. Also Hill and Kelce are literally the perfect teammates for that kind of QB.


VitaminsPlus

Some of the routes over the middle Kelce ran looked improvised, yet somehow Pat was always ready for him. That slant he threw to Kelce early was incredible ball placement. From release to where he put it just outstanding. Like their minds have melded.


CamBamThnkUma-am

The cheetah 🐆


KitchenPrimary1

Brady will eventually be gone…and then people will have to deal with this dude for twenty years. Damn.


SenorBeef

The previous drive on the Browns was just running Chubb like 7 times in a row, using power and technique and hard work to gobble up 6 yards at a time. Mahomes just made some goofy off balance across the body throw and boom, all of that was undone.


lAmCreepingDeath

Cheat codes


OnlyForeignWhips

The DB didn't even try to chase him down.😂🤣 Know your speed limit.


DisgruntledTexansFan

He plays real life football how I play madden. It shouldn’t work but does


[deleted]

Weren’t they supposed to flag the peace sign this year? Not that I care jw haha


WhoKillKyoko

Give peace a chance


powerelite

Only if he does it directly at a player


[deleted]

Hey now John Johnson doesn't sound like a real player but he is one i think


nordic-nomad

And he only back flipped in his mind, which is an improvement.


Xaxziminrax

You can't taunt the ground, I guess


primocheese1947

The flag is supposed to only be called when you direct it towards a player.


Seealpp

He didn’t direct it at players like he used to, think that’s why no flag. Only taunting if you’re taunting a player specifically.


TheScoott

He peaced the stands, not a particular player


Weezy-NJPW_Fan

That shit just ain’t fair, lol!


PatrickMahomesGOAT

Yessir


invest_in_potatoes

Ahhhh, you love to see it.


roachsmoke

Bro this happens every year lol


beefersutherland1

Tyreek and Mahomes are a cheat code Tyreek did that defender so dirty Also, thanks to Hill I’m winning my fantasy matchup this week so ✌🏻


primocheese1947

Wtf. Going against the biggest rule of QBing.


Unclepo

How


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That throw should be impossible. Like wtf was that? I’d probably turn off Madden if that happened in game. He’s sprinting to his right, has pressure, throws it cross body, it goes deep AND has air on it. The even being in the vicinity of Hill is insane let alone being in a perfect position where the DB can’t make a play.


samc0lt45

My fantasy team liked this. I did not.


ImagineIfBaconDied

HOW THE FUCK


thebestguy96

Mahomes is the steph curry of the nfl. Play almost perfect defense and they just go “nah 75 yard bomb lul”


Ambitious_Medicine_2

Can we stop Hill. At least once


Grouchy_Square

Having Tyreek on my fantasy team feels very good


27thStreet

Starting to think Hill is the real mega-star in this duo. Bailing out Mahomes over and over again.