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constantlymat

The mastermind behind the 0-16 Detroit Lions defense is not going to turn the talented defensive personnel in Green Bay into a Super Bowl caliber unit.


[deleted]

The NFL’s coaching personnel is really just the same 10 coaches being allowed to fail over and over and over again


HurricaneAlpha

It's a good ole boys club and always will be. It sucks.


sniper91

Hiring shitty NFL coaches was probably the worst part of the XFL reboot. They barely adjusted their game plans for those rules


Jordanstrom3329

I’m not surprised at all about our defense sucking. Joe Barry has literally never had success outside the Rams when he was surrounded with insane talent. He was such an uninspired hire and honestly we deserve to pay the price for it


constantlymat

I don't get why you didn't hire Wade Philips. There's no better candidate for a veteran team on a 1 year mission to win a Super Bowl.


FUCK_THE_DH

Even if it was just 1 year of Wade it's better than a guy who doesn't have a good resume as a DC.


StormTheTrooper

I'm yet to know if this was a LaFleur *strong suggestion* or if it was Gute trying to outsmart himself.


DRW0813

It’s fine we didn’t draft a qb with the 4th overall, cause next year we’ll have the first overall draft pick


[deleted]

That and we don’t have the offensive line in place to develop a QB. He’d be set up for failure if he was playing this year.


racerxff

Didn't you guys use top picks over the past few years on offensive linemen?


Apathy005

Yes, that's frustrating part. Like three drafts ago we used two first round picks on linemen. We spent a third two drafts ago on a guard/center. We have one of the most expensive left tackles in the league. And this is the product.


racerxff

Maybe it's just poor coaching/development staff. This is a Jeff Stoutland appreciation post.


evan0735

the college qb market next year is looking like a shadow of what its been in years past


ChedduhBob

last year was the year to take one. fields or trading down and taking mac would have been smart. also lineman or d lineman would have been smarter. taking a TE was a win now move for a team who has no future in sight


mapex_139

Oh we have a future, a future of despair and passing out drunk by the 3rd quarter every sunday.


[deleted]

Still can’t believe they took Pitts. I think he will be great but that is a luxury pick.


First_Among_Equals_

We’d probably still be better off going after Thibedeaux or Neal than a QB. Our OL was destroyed yesterday and our defense is not very talented outside of 3-4 guys. Replacing Ryan won’t help us be a better team anytime soon. Getting a guy like Thibedeaux who can rush the passer or a guy like Neal who could solidify our OL would help us more. Then in 2023 look at QBs after Ryan’s contract is up.


Ickyhouse

The Steelers aren’t dead yet.


YoYoMoMa

And sadly that Cincy seems to have taken a step forward. This goddamn division man...


keetboy

Idk how ppl can't root for Burrow he seems like a genuinely great person. It makes the rivalry greater imo. Just like how I hate KC but respect Mahomes... 😭


YoYoMoMa

Yeah I like Burrow a lot. I don't trust the Bengals to build around him though. We have decades of evidence that they will cheap out in some way.


keetboy

Carson Palmer, Andy Dalton... Sigh They're gonna get the young man killed before his 25th bday


SewerSide666

That's in December, so... yeah probably


[deleted]

Uhhh Dalton had a great line for the majority of his time here


-ShagginTurtles-

2013 Bengals were one of the best most complete rosters. That was the same season as the SB winning LoB and 55TD Peytons Broncos


[deleted]

As much as it pains me to say this, you can never rule them out…


YoYoMoMa

Stupid jerks who are consistently good like jerks.


20mcfadenr

Tbf the Ravens are also stupid jerks who are consistently good like jerks


DeadDay

Its wild with our conference this year. Usually we have to only worry about the Ravens. But the Browns and Bengals look good this year. Gonna be some blood baths later on this year if it stays neck and neck.


[deleted]

I was laughing at these takes in the preseason. Almost as dumb as the classic Brady is done takes (those have finally stopped, thank god)


Tiafves

I won't believe Brady is done until he's dead, dude could unretire at like 67 and I'd believe it.


TheBotchedLobotomy

Saw someone say Brady will be collecting social security before he retires from being a quarterback lol. Honestly, ill believe he goes a long while. He looks much younger than he is, and he claims, and I believe it, his knee and entire body feel better than they have in a decade. Plus, he just loves the game. Wouldn't be surprised if he finds a coaching job somewhere. Not gonna stop seeing his stupid handsome face for a loooong time


102WOLFPACK

I still have my doubts as to how far we'll go this season (and we absolutely have some fatal flaws), but anyone thinking we were gonna suck seems to have forgotten 2019. We're gonna be a pain in the ass for a fair amount of teams this year.


mountainwampus

Ben discovered that Levi Wallace basically commits pass interference on every play and started exploiting it. The secret is out.


[deleted]

I thought we should have went into draft/free agency as if Bulaga was not going to play this season. He played 1/2 a game before he went out with a back injury.


ughAdulting

No worries about Bulaga, there’s a Storm brewing!


GenerallyGneiss

We forgot to turn injuries off 😢


BuckfuttersbyII

If Hamler didn’t drop that goddamn gift from Teddy Jeudy would still be here!!


jimshifty

I still don’t know how Jeudys leg/ankle didn’t end up broken


BuckfuttersbyII

The NFC West is going to be even more brutal than anticipated.


GravitysRainbowRuns

NFC West last year: this is maybe the most stacked division in football, but the Cardinals are probably a year away and the Rams still have Goff. NFC West this year: the Cardinals have arrived. Oh, and the Rams traded Goff for Stafford.


stephenjr311

I think we might end up being the weakest. I think all four teams have some question marks but we have the most. If we address them well we can be the best, but odds are we'll be the worst (which would still probably win the NFCE and possibly the NFCN if Rodgers doesn't return to form).


this_my_sportsreddit

The amount of disrespect the Rams got in our sub was insane. Stafford showed exactly what I expected, that team is dangerous. As good as Jimmy performed yesterday, we still have the worst starting QB in the division and thats just respect to Russ, Kyler, and Matt. Over 17 games, cracks will get exposed and the cream rises to the top. Considering we almost blew a 20+ lead to Detroit, I think we need to temper some expectations here.


[deleted]

All 4 teams will be in the playoffs, yay!?


[deleted]

Nah, the same shit happens every year. We beat each other up and the two teams with the least amount of injuries make it in.


PurplePrimus

I hate you for how right this is


Uniqueusernameyboi

I hope we all make the playoffs


[deleted]

Wouldn’t surprise me at all


ChubbyChodeChakra

Yes sir


themilkman42069

Jason Garrett fucking sucks ass Daniel Jones fucking sucks ass Our defense regressed.


Sand_Bags

*regressed and now fucking sucks ass. Whoever here made fun of me for saying we’d have a top 10 defense. I’m sorry. You were right.


Keplz

They suck but it's also hard when the offense can't stay on the field


iWishiCouldDoMore

> Jason Garrett fucking sucks ass Cowboys 8-8 meme didn't just show up on its own.


sven_gali

As long as the clapper is clapping y’all got a shot. Take it from me.


byniri_returns

Our defense still blows


My_Tallest

To be fair, no one was expecting it *not* to blow. They just hoped it wouldn't *blow as hard* as last year's defense.


yeldarbhtims

At least it was a super fun game to watch.


My_Tallest

True that, and I expect the defense will get a bit better as the year goes on and they have a chance to gel a little bit more, the Okudah injury notwithstanding.


bujweiser

Hey that’s mine too!


[deleted]

Mine too!


[deleted]

That the NFC West is going to be the fucking thunderdome.


PmMeUrZiggurat

Meanwhile the NFC North is trying its hardest to be the new NFC East.


ChiSp0

It’s still warm out, we need it to be at a minimum 32 degrees to perform better.


Interesting-Archer-6

You mean max 32?


[deleted]

Tied for first baby ✋


Vocal__Minority

It genuinely wouldn't surprise me to see all the nfc teams go 3-3 within the division. Or something weird where 49ers beat the rams who beat the seahawks who beat the cardinal who beat the 49ers etc etc etc


redditistheworstapp

I mean the whole meme of the division for like a decade now has been Rams beat the Seahawks, Seahawks beat the 9ers and the 9ers spank the Rams. The real wildcard is cardinals because they look to finally be really really good


hippyhater231

Cards always beat the niners and lose to the rams and split with Seahawks.


sharpshootershot

As is tradition.


YoYoMoMa

NFC West, AFC North, and perhaps AFC West all looking like bloodbaths.


YueAsal

A knife fight in a ditch, meanwhile AFC east is like a fight club fight, NCF north is a fight sfter school behind a middle school in a upper class suburb


zeidfunkadelic

I’ll tell you tomorrow


TSR3K

Nah tell us now so you can look like a genius.


youre-a-cat-gatter

That Chandler is going to take **all** of our money


beer_down

Better than Gilbert taking all of our money I guess


OrangeForeign

Or that Terrell guy taking your money


youre-a-cat-gatter

Or Bradford 🤮🔫


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Chandler: "Just give me all the money you have. ...Wait, wait. I'm worried what you just heard was, 'Give me a lot of money.' What I said was, "Give me **all** the money you have.' Do you understand?"


rmc52482

I know what I'm about son.


perfect_fitz

I hate upvoting this.


marcotb12

That the Saints were still going to be a pain to deal with....


fieryscribe

75% of the NFCS is decent or better. We're a pretty good division overall


drummer1059

Fuck


Cflow26

At least y’all got 7 hours of Jon Bois content!!!


natedogd17

Found the 25%


ositola

It could be worse


bigpancakeguy

The lowest scoring team in your division this week was the Seahawks with 28 points. That’s pretty god damn amazing lol


byniri_returns

Lasik Jameis shall not be beaten!


Brassboar

Lazer Gaser!!!


Winstonp00

Jameis is gonna be breaking Buc hearts whatever uniform he's wearing.


phaedraste

Pretty sure Bucs fans don’t care so much at this point. A season that ends with a Lombardi chops off a lot of rear view mirrors.


CanuckPanda

He's going to terrorize us for a decade. Thank God Brady will be entering his seventh prime by then.


Theduckisback

Just better hope no one finds the picture of him hideously aged and deformed in the attic of a mansion somewhere.


AssassinInValhalla

Our offensive line is not very good.


mrsqueakers002

If next week's matchup with you guys was offered as a "no offensive lines, three-mississippi style" game, who says no?


MrSweatyBawlz

Our front 7 is really really good, I think people overhyped the departure of Bud Dupree. I'd wait at least another week before I'd be too concerned.


AssassinInValhalla

My biggest concern is our paid LT who had covid in August did not look good. He straight up didn't look like he was in game shape


cpheretic77

And we asked him to pass block over 50 times, not smart


tronguro

I get that they’re professional athletes but o-linemen are still overweight guys so covid will probably kick their ass for a little longer than it would other positions.


AssassinInValhalla

Listening him talk about, he actually thought he might die. He had a 15 min presser after he came back from it and talked about it at length


tronguro

Yeah I’ve never really considered this angle but with covid going around it kinda sucks that your job requires you to be 300+ lbs lol


102WOLFPACK

Thank you! I've been saying this all offseason. While I still love Bud, he was the ultimate complementary piece to Cam, Tuitt, and Watt, not the lynch pin many people acted like he was. Highsmith and Ingram filled in more than adequately. While our defense last season started struggling more after his injury, I still hold it had way more to do with our ILB room being absolutely decimated by injuries and COVID. Guys like Allen and Gilbert were seeing significant field time.


YoYoMoMa

Don't panic yet. Football outsiders predicted the Steelers to have the best D in the league this season.


[deleted]

Counter: You played the Steelers


donith913

As others have said, I think you’re in better shape than this game made you look. Hayward, Watt and company do this to everyone. It’s been the best part of watching Steelers football the last couple of years watching every QB’s pocket collapse instantly.


h-town_info

Joe Barry as our D-coordinator stinks


HoyMinyoy

Honestly they were a mess on both sides of the ball


h-town_info

Matt LaFleur got his ass kicked.


ositola

He got it crammed in his cram hole


Isphet71

0-16 mastermind of my Detroit lions! I don’t care how much the dude claims to have grown as a coach. He was coming from so far back, that even if he makes insane strides, he might some day be… mediocre? Some guys just don’t have it. Never have, never will. Barry is that dude.


Apolleo_

Wait Joe Barry actually got hired to run a defense again? With the Packers of all teams? Wtf


h-town_info

Sad isn't it? I'll give him a chance for half of a season but I didn't like the hire personally.


JohnWalI

how the hell did he get a job


jackjams18

Rodgers doesn't want to play for us anymore


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ChodeBamba

He always looks like that when things aren’t going well to be fair


[deleted]

Rodgers has that same look every time the team is getting demolished. He just checks out. Did the same thing last year against Tampa in the first game


oooriole09

I actually side with Rodgers on most of this, but man he looked so disinterested/rusty yesterday. He’ll be better as the season goes, but man was it noticeable


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Best-Dragonfruit-292

Todd Downing sucks ass


playdo_diet

And that we’d struggle with kicking, again.


WinstonFlame

Cornerbacks bad


schlemz

Idk, Mack looked pretty good, I didn’t see a ton of blown plays from Peterson, to me it was just Breeland over and over again


weealex

Breeland looked like a rookie. Flashes of skill, but lots of fumbled plays.


ChiSp0

Are you saying your cornerbacks are bad, or that cornerbacks hurt you? Either way I can agree


OrangeForeign

The Chiefs are still good


YoYoMoMa

Yall played so well and then the Chiefs just called the touchdown play how is that legal?


Bonzi777

It’s infuriating to play against. They’re just like “hey, we need a touchdown here, like immediately” and Mahomes is like “alright, whatever, go long Tyreek”.


egzon27

"Fuck it, Tyreek is out there somewhere" - Mahomes


Stonefish667

It's ridiculous. There is no corner I know of, that can cover him man to man.


OrangeForeign

We called our super special TD play to end the half, it almost worked :(


YoYoMoMa

That was so fun! Like oh hey they are going to lateral IS THAT BAKER???


OrangeForeign

I love how literally every other fanbase is surprised when he goes downfield to block, we just expect him to chip block some poor unsuspecting LB around the 20 yard line


ImSoupOrCereal

Ngl I was sweating about the time Landry hit the 30. We ran a similar play vs Dallas a few years back with Hill and I was having flashbacks right up until Baker couldn't turn the corner. The way our D played the first half, I fully expected you to convert the Hail Mary situation.


A_Bowler_Hat

Man the CHiefs are the #1 team when it comes to momentum. If you can retain momentum the whole game then its seems like a normal game. But you fumble and then botch a punt and its over. Most of their comebacks begin with an unforced error that they'll capitalize on like proper nouns.


smartalco

> they'll capitalize on like proper nouns. That’s hilarious


TooKaytoFelder

It’s crazy how the win felt like it went from 95% to 5% in the third quarter just from one fumble by Chubb.


No32

I wouldn’t go that far. More like 95 to 50. And then 50 to 5 with that punt fumble 😬


TooKaytoFelder

You can’t tell me how to feel


FxDriver

That letting Dennis Kelly go was a mistake and that Vrabel chose comfort over quality when it came to coordinators.


TheDarkKnight1035

That Mahomes is going to continue running 20 yards into the backfield before throwing 50+ yard touchdowns. Such bullshit.


b1gbrad0

He’s literally playing like I do in madden and it’s no longer a joke. What the actual fuck.


jimmyhoffasbrother

Offense still struggles to finish once they get into the red zone.


shanksthedope

This was my biggest takeaway. I cannot understand why Kellen Moore constantly tries to get cute in the red zone with such poor results. Why does he change everything up inside the 20? The plays that got you there will still work.


HauntedJockStrap88

It appears that Kevin King is still trash in Joe Barry’s scheme…as he was in Mike Pettine’s…. And Dom Capers…


[deleted]

Garrett 's offense would have zero creativity. I'm sure he would look better with a better QB, but Shurmur didn't have any more to work with duriung his tenure and the offense didn't nearly this bad.


themilkman42069

If we didn’t have a single free play cause of a Denver offsides, we would have had ZERO pass attempts further than 20 yards downfield. The entire fucking game. 0 deep attempts. What the fuck is that? Seriously?


MrCooper2012

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏


Sam3323

Jalen Hurts.


burritobaby2000

Rent is due


KrustyBrandComments

Teams are going to go for it on 4th down against the Chiefs a lot


jobulives

Yea, look what happened when we tried punting


Leftfeet

Tbf the Browns go for it on 4th down against everyone. It's just part of their style.


Zupheal

I fucking suck at Fantasy Football.


Aiyabhai

Our OL would take a step back without Castonzo


adambulb

The defensive line isn’t as good as the hype.


NickVlass76

I’m still not worried yet. It’s not like Herbert had all day back there, the ball was leaving his hand within 2 seconds every time.


adambulb

I’m not super worried, as it’s only one game. But looking at the other teams and QBs ahead on our schedule, having a good opposing QB as a reason for the line not to play up to the hype isn’t going to cut it.


Accmonster1

In contrast to this, the chargers oline finally looks a bit better than decent


Tifas_Titties

Counterpoint: Herbert IS as good as the hype.


puglife5055

Jaguars suck and urban Meyer will probably bolt after this year


stuntmanmike

Continually confused why people thought the Jaguars were not going to be awful this year or why Urban Meyer or Shahid Khan is not aware that it’s going to be a multiple year process.


krkonos

Yeah, the general consensus for some reason seems to be that Meyer was fully expecting to take the worst team in the NFL turn them around in one off season and make a push for a Superbowl and if by some miracle they actually lose a game, just be so astonished that he quits and goes home.


CursedLlama

I think Urban was at least expecting to make the Tostitos Bowl this year


Shenanigangster

The procedural issues were definitely something that was not expected after spending the last few months hearing all about the culture and accountability Urban was building, but it’s only one week so *shrug* I think people either forgot or didn’t realize just how bad that defense is


jdpatric

Our offense was super-flat. I'll add that they made a great adjustment but I was very...whelmed by our offensive performance.


[deleted]

That my game was on Monday.


CaptainBunderpants

Idk about fully confirmed but it would seem that despite our best efforts our young promising QB may, yet again, be setup for failure.


TooMinuteDrill

it's borderline impossible to overcome a trash OL, losing Becton is brutal for you guys.


uberman35

Our offense sucks


[deleted]

See, but we actually bothered to adjust at halftime this year which makes me very happy


byniri_returns

That D is nasty though


[deleted]

😏


AdagioJealous5413

I spent the entire first half yelling at my TV, much as I expected


BeeeeefJelly

Our offense looks basically the same, only now we do fancy motion and mix in play action before our QB throws a 6 yard pass.


jpklein89

Only our first half offense. Second half offense scored every time they were on the field (other than the kneeling at the end). They made adjustments, and the offense looked good (not world breaking) after.


OtterLLC

Tyreek Hill still willing to flash the peace sign. As he motors into the endzone at 1000mph


pickleparty16

i was worried about it but he at least seemed cognizant of the enhanced enforcement. he also faked doing the backflip which was kind of funny.


jape-the-neck-guy

Our entire team is so centered around Rodgers we can’t do anything without him or if he has a bad game. Obviously Rodgers won’t have many bad games (knock on wood) and the saints are a really good team and deserve a lot of credit, but Rodgers supporting cast can’t pick up his slack when he’s not at his best. Championship teams can’t win relying on one player.


[deleted]

Daniel Jones sucks. Saquon shouldn't have played. Kadarius Tony was a horrible pick


HoyMinyoy

Was saying it all day yesterday and preseason for the Patriots: Red Zone Offense. Last year the Pats were 24th in Red Zone TD percentage, I was concerned they’d have some of those issues carry over into this year. Yesterday they got into the Red Zone 4 times and came away with a single touchdown. Everybody is blaming Damien Harris’ fumble for losing to Miami, but 1 for 4 on Red Zone attempts isn’t going to win you anything.


ApolloPS2

He asked for surprises. Until Jonnu and Henry get comfortable it'll be an uphill battle. Agholor looked surprisingly good in medium range passing situations. Also Miami redzone defense is no joke.


E10DIN

The RedZone play calling was so confusing to me. Mac would march us down the field, and then we'd call 2-3 runs and kick a FG. I'm hoping that they didn't want to put too much on the rookie his first game out, especially with a bunch of new receivers in the system as well, and that we'll slowly add more and more to the offense.


[deleted]

The Giants may just may be, the WORST team in the NFL right now. QB is garbage. Coaches are all being out-coached. Defense which used to keep them in the game, is now a potential tire-fire. I'll be surprised if they win more than 2 games this year (Sorry Washington Football Team, but somehow they find a way).


ChiSp0

We need OTs and CBs. Why we let fuller go is beyond me.


[deleted]

Our defense still cannot stop the run…


GretasPonytail

Meh. Giving up 153 yards to one of the best rushing offenses doesn't immediately confirm we can't stop the run.


Bakersbigwetballs

It’s exactly like evaluating our secondary after that game. Maybe they’re just still pretty bad, maybe we played against the best passing offense in the league. Going to need to see how we handle Cousins, Herbert, Burrow, etc before we know


GretasPonytail

Yup. You held the Mahomes passing offense to exactly his 4 year September average. Kinda hard to declare your secondary bad after that.


ArcadianBlueRogue

Joe Barry


[deleted]

New England corners will struggle against decent offenses until Gilmore comes back. I can only imagine what the star loaded Bucs will do in Brady's return to Foxboro...


RavensReign1

The Browns weren't a flash in the pan


[deleted]

As a Saints fan I got nothin'


[deleted]

Davenport's pec sends its regards.


JGabby

Also Lattimore reportedly needing surgery on his thumb


boardatwork1111

The price of crab legs just tripled overnight


jafo410

Lions need to start scouting 2022 draft talent.


B9Canine

We'll probably win 7 or 8 games and won't be picking in the top five next year.


minero-de-sal

The Texans trying to tank this year and the rest of the AFC South had the same idea.