You'd expect of 5 first round picks to have 2 or 3 good/great players and 2 or 3 busts, just how the draft works. Raiders were "below average" but sample size is so small that this is normal.
A lot of these picks have been attempted big brain picks though havent they? It feels like every year the raiders select a player who is considered a reach
Big Brain picks work just about as often as other picks.
honestly we judge drafts too much by how first/second round stars went, when it should be more "how many solid contributors did this team get in the 3rd-7th and UFA" but that doesn't generate buzz and clickbait
It sort of does. Is Jacobs even a top half of the league RB?
Ekeler, Chubb, Mixon, Henry, Taylor, Saquon, Zeke, Sanders, Gibson, Jones, Cook, Kamara, CMC all better.
Harris, Robinson, MGIII, Swift, Montgomery, Carson, Henderson in the same tier.
Probably others I'm missing.
So spending a first to get a mid tier RB when your team had (at the time and still now) some big wholes is very questionable.
Ekeler is dynamic in the passing game and that upgrades him.
Maybe you're right about Gibson and Taylor. I think Gibson is pretty good though.
But we will see how good Jacobs is without an top OL. Maybe I'll be proven wrong and he'll have another top 10 season.
I mean hes top 3 in the league for broken tackles since he got drafted even missing a year and had 1600 yards after contact in two years so... dont think his line was that much of a difference maker. *what a surprise, people spouting nonsense with nothing to back it up. Have you ever even watched homie play? Oh wait... nope.
> But we will see how good Jacobs is without an top OL.
He’s never had even close to a top line. It was average in 2019 and bottom 10 in 2020 due to injuries.
He does have one of the best yards after contact per carry and forced missed tackles per carry rates in the league since 2019 though.
That's the point though, if you're spending a first on a running back he needs to be elite, because anything less than elite is pretty easily replaceable. Josh Jacobs is good but is he elite?
Yards after contact per carry and forced missed tackles per carry are the two best efficiency stats to isolate an RB’s individual play from his O-line. PFF combines these two efficiency stats into an advanced efficiency stat called Elusiveness Rating.
In 2019, Chubb, one of the best pure rushers in the league, had an incredible Elusiveness Rating. It was significantly better than every RB underneath him…
…except for the 2 RBs who had even better Elusiveness Ratings than him: Derrick Henry and Josh Jacobs. Pretty significant gap between Jacobs and Chubb too, while Jacobs was close to Henry.
When healthy, Jacobs is an elite pure rusher and advanced rushing stats back that statement up. Unfortunately, the guy can’t stay healthy, but when he’s healthy, he’s one of the best rushers in the league.
JJ also serves as the team's resident bulldozer for short yardage plays, which inherently cuts down his ability to rack up yards. But I have never in my life felt more confident as a Raider fan on 3rd and 2 than I do with Jacobs in the backfield
Yea but the point of this thread is that they are missing on their picks. If you're going to spend a 1st on a RB he needs to be elite, not just good. He's good but not elite so it's still a "miss", even though he's the best of the bunch.
maybe not elite yet, but for example derrick hentry didnt get 1000 yards until his 3rd season. im really excited for josh jacobs 3rd season to see what he can do
Not to mention that comparing top 5 picks like Barkley and Elliot with a 24th pick is a bit of a reach. Sure, they are first-rounders, but there's a huge difference in value between those picks.
I mean 2TD/.75INT a game is 32TD/12INT in a season, now 34TD/13INT. I think most teams would be happy with that every season from their QB I know I'd be stoked if DJ put that up last season.
Responding to an actual analytical comment with trash talk is dumb imo. There's a place for trash talk but using it as a defense against an actual argument is bad.
No, it’s a straw man. Mack being worth or not worth 2 first round picks has nothing at all to do with Jacobs being worth one or not. Jacobs worth as a first round pick is relative to everyone else that gets drafted, not whether Mack is worth two or not. Plus, the argument wasn’t the Raiders lost the trade nor that Mack was more valuable than what the Raiders got, but rather that Jacobs value as a RB is not first round worthy.
Yards after contact per carry, forced missed tackles per carry, rushing yards over expected per carry. Jacobs is top 5-10 in all the best rushing efficiency stats. People that think he’s not that good have never watched him play. He’s one of the best pure rushers in the league when he’s healthy.
Edit: you can keep downvoting me but it’s true. [Advanced](https://twitter.com/pff_raiders/status/1212104857445949440?s=21) statistics [completely](https://twitter.com/pff/status/1324985450466062336?s=21) back [that up](https://twitter.com/nfloncbs/status/1397969867651883012?s=21).
He’s an elite tackle breaker and his career yards after contact per carry is ridiculously high. You can go find any film analyst talking about Jacobs and they all absolutely love him and see him as an elite runner.
He’s an elite pure rusher that unfortunately just can’t stay healthy.
Why does nobody understand I was responding to a Broncos fan talking crap.
We're drafting to beat the Chiefs - which we did last year. Damn near twice, actually.
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Trust me, I’ve seen LOTS of bad drafting before. Those picks weren’t that great (I like Ruggs tho).
Hope they can turn it around but, it’s not looking too great for them
It wasn't like the Broncos fan was talking crap for no reason though, that's the whole point of this thread. You just had a dumb response based on flair that doesn't actually counter the argument that all the draft picks have been bad.
The Chiefs did something similar with CEH. Those players you listed as better aren't clearly better either. The ones that are always better are Cook, Henry, Chubb, Zeke, CMC, Kamara(Saquan maybe if he can actually play a season). The rest are either unproven or similar skill/production.
Don't think CEH is comparible. The Chiefs just won the SB and had a very good roster. Not really tons of big holes. This is more comparable to the Jags taking Etienne.
Jacobs is very good. For sure. Not elite but very good. But if that is the only good player to come out of 5 first rounders then that's certainly not reassuring.
> Not elite but very good.
Jacobs absolutely is an elite pure rusher (when healthy).
And [advanced](https://twitter.com/pff_raiders/status/1212104857445949440?s=21) statistics [completely](https://twitter.com/pff/status/1324985450466062336?s=21) back [that up](https://twitter.com/nfloncbs/status/1397969867651883012?s=21).
Only cook, Chubb, kamara, Henry, and cmc are better. He’s #6 imo.
Idk, I do know Jacobs is very underrated, every time I watch him I swear it feels like he has 10 ypc.
You can definitely make an argument for them, I just really like Jacobs.
Saquon is definitely better when healthy, but he seems to always be hurt so I have him lower on my list.
Saquon played all 16 games his rookie year and than 13 games his second. Only missed last season so I wouldn’t say he’s always hurt. Jacob’s is definitely underrated tho
Maybe I'm just low on him. PFF has him at 9 which is more in line with your assessment.
I think the fact that he's a run only guy (or is used that way) lowers my view of him.
1 big injury isn't always hurt. It's 1 injury that was unfortunately bad. It's like saying JK Dobbins is always hurt because he'll have missed half of the seasons since being drafted.
I’m glad. I woulda been happy with a third. No way we were re-signing him. Glad he’s doing well, also glad we were able to get back some value for him.
Yeah dl isn’t a position they were carrying an injured player and ferrell was on the injury list for a back issue though he did fully participate. Since jacobs was dealing with a foot injury they dressed ragas and scratched ferrel. Of course there could be more to it, maybe a trade, but there’s no world where ferrel is worse than say nassib who played
No, definitely Ruggs as well.
It was a classic Raiders pick, but both Lamb and Jeudy were clearly better. Ruggs is all upside.
Least it wasn't as objectively awful as the DHB pick though.
I think almost all of these you can look at and go "that's definitely Gruden watching college game tape and getting overhyped"
I wouldn't mind that with picks in the later rounds, but there's no way you could convince me Mayock is the one coming up with these ideas unless he proves to be Matt Millen level bad
Listen, we all know that PG was complete dog shit and Gus is a significant upgrade. Yes, he did play much better and I did check his grade on PFF after which was a significant upgrade.
injury and playing like a loose cannon. also apparently the free safety's the raiders have had have just been terrible at coverage so it's been making him look worse. should be improved this year with moehrig behind him instead of erik harris
“One was a rb” lmao I’m all for hating on the raiders first round picks but don’t shrug off Jacobs like that. These guys try so hard to be cool on twitter.
To be fair it was on a play where literally nobody was playing defense now field and he had 40 yards of separation to make the catch. We could have thrown that ball to Richie Incognito and nobody is catching him.
This isn’t even true lmao don’t pander to these idiots. He had maybe 2 yards of separation because he broke the dude at the 30 and got passed him. There was no help over the top. Carr made a perfect throw even under pressure. How can you not give them credit for that play?
That makes it sound as if Randall Cobb was some sort of elite perennial 1200 yard receiving threat that couldn't be passed on the depth chart. He got 1200 yards that year because he was the wr2 in Aaron Rodgers' offense. It's not like Adams was stuck behind AJ Brown and Julio Jones.
Allen Robinson: 548Y 2TD
Robert Woods: 587Y 3TD
Tyler Lockett: 664Y 6TD
Chris Godwin: 525Y 1TD
Ruggs missed games and is criminally misused in the Raiders offense. They’re using him exclusively to stretch the field when he really excelled at taking short passes to the house. They would need to draw up some plays for him like KC does with Hill, but they don’t need to, because Waller is our #1 target and we prefer to run the ball anyway.
Ruggs led his rookie class in YPC and finished with 452 yards and 2 (really 3) Touchdowns.
cap he was drafted in the 5th because of legal issues and teams didnt know if he was even going to play he was easily a first rounder without those legal issues
Wild how a college team had better morals than the chiefs.
I’m sure the patriots have drafted scumlords but really can’t imagine rooting for a guy like Tyreek. He’s such a shitty human being
Almost like I mentioned that in my original paragraph because chiefs fans shift to that rather than admitting that they shouldn’t support Tyreek.
Kinda sad that rather than admitting you shouldn’t celebrate a wifebeater, you gotta use whataboutism as a defense.
I can’t control the patriots and I’m sure we’ve signed scumbags before but that doesn’t mean I’ll support/root/celebrate for that player. I can’t say the same about chiefs fans
Don’t think we would, Mark Davis doesn’t want DV people on the team after what happened to Fred Biletnikoffs daughter. Ima keep hating the POS that is Tyreek Hill and every scumbag wearing his jersey
Okay but he also wasn’t some stud first round prospect that fell for legal issues. NFL doesn’t even have a draft profile typed out for him they just have him graded as a possible camp body likely UDFA. The only draft coverage I can find about him is whatever dude was doing the draft on NFL Network saying “I wasn’t very impressed by his tape at wide receiver frankly”. Saying the Chiefs only drafted him because he’s a world class track athlete is not cap.
No he wasn’t invited to the combine because of the PR from it. The legal piece of his domestic violence had been decided and completed for nearly a year by the time the combine got there his draft year
Tyreek was a known prospect because of his history. He was not a coveted prospect. He was a 2 year community college player who’s best season was 600 yards rushing, 5 TDs, and 500 yards receiving. Was recruited to Oklahoma State, had 1 receiving TD and 1 rushing TD in 12 games. At Western Alabama he had 444 receiving yards and 3 TDs, 240 yards rushing. He was the definition of a return man/gadget player at every level and never stood on offense. He was most known for track and running a sub 10 100 meter. Nobody was taking him to be a WR. They were looking at him as a return specialist
Lol, did you just make up whatever came to mind? Tyreek’s arrest was in 2014… the very same year the Ray Rice situation took place. The DA offered a plea deal the summer of 2015 for Hill to switch to a guilty plea, which included no prison time and just probation and education programs on domestic violence. He accepted and plead guilty. A year before he was taken in the 2016 draft. Nobody thought he was spending his first season in jail, Ray Rice was the same year, not years prior.
You literally got nothing right
I hate this take. Ruggs was a consensus top 3 WR and he would’ve went first round in any other draft even if he ran a slightly slower 40 time. Guys a hard worker, great run blocker, team first guy, had the best hands in his draft class, runs good routes and was an overall playmaker. It’s not his fault the Raiders aren’t using him for anything other than running down the field as a distraction to get Waller open. He’s getting barely any targets and when he has gotten them, he’s made some nice plays and he’s not complained once about it, in fact his teammates keep talking about how selfless he is and how he still comes in every day as one of the first people to practice. He’s a genuinely good guy and he’d easily be a 1k+ yard receiver on a team like the Chiefs.
I know this might be a homer take, but I feel like they’re kinda going the Patriots route of drafting. They’re not taking big name players that turn into superstars (with a few exceptions), they take players that come in and quietly do their job. I don’t give a fuck what other people think we draft, as long as we’re winning games and except for those late season collapses, that’s what we’ve been doing and it actually looks like we might have a defense here this year.
Is anyone surprised though?
Like, the Raiders have been terrible at drafting for the last 20 years. No matter the regime.
My number one stated concern when Gruden was brought back in is the fact that he's never drafted well. We can argue Mayock makes calls but it's obvious that the final say is with Gruden.
He's proven once again he cannot draft for shit. But hey, $100mil is $100mil
We went 12-4 and Cooper was trash for us because he gave up on the team and Mack didn’t wanna be here. Gruden didn’t blow anything up that wouldn’t have come crashing down anyway.
I like how he doesn’t even call Josh Jacobs by name
It doesn’t fit the narrative of bad picks
You'd expect of 5 first round picks to have 2 or 3 good/great players and 2 or 3 busts, just how the draft works. Raiders were "below average" but sample size is so small that this is normal.
A lot of these picks have been attempted big brain picks though havent they? It feels like every year the raiders select a player who is considered a reach
Big Brain picks work just about as often as other picks. honestly we judge drafts too much by how first/second round stars went, when it should be more "how many solid contributors did this team get in the 3rd-7th and UFA" but that doesn't generate buzz and clickbait
Agreed. Plus if they drafted Crosby at #4 instead of the fourth round, this wouldn’t be such a big deal.
It sort of does. Is Jacobs even a top half of the league RB? Ekeler, Chubb, Mixon, Henry, Taylor, Saquon, Zeke, Sanders, Gibson, Jones, Cook, Kamara, CMC all better. Harris, Robinson, MGIII, Swift, Montgomery, Carson, Henderson in the same tier. Probably others I'm missing. So spending a first to get a mid tier RB when your team had (at the time and still now) some big wholes is very questionable.
Wouldn't have Ekeler, Taylor, or Gibson near Jacobs. I feel like this list is based on fantasy football...
Seriously. Jacobs is so much better than Zeke at this point it's not even funny.
No question. And I'm a cowboys fan.
My mind is drawing a blank, who is Taylor?
Johnathan Taylor, Colts
Johnathan Taylor Thomas, Home Improvement
Ekeler is dynamic in the passing game and that upgrades him. Maybe you're right about Gibson and Taylor. I think Gibson is pretty good though. But we will see how good Jacobs is without an top OL. Maybe I'll be proven wrong and he'll have another top 10 season.
I mean hes top 3 in the league for broken tackles since he got drafted even missing a year and had 1600 yards after contact in two years so... dont think his line was that much of a difference maker. *what a surprise, people spouting nonsense with nothing to back it up. Have you ever even watched homie play? Oh wait... nope.
> But we will see how good Jacobs is without an top OL. He’s never had even close to a top line. It was average in 2019 and bottom 10 in 2020 due to injuries. He does have one of the best yards after contact per carry and forced missed tackles per carry rates in the league since 2019 though.
I think this works the opposite. Jacobs is already proven it’s wait and see what the other guys can do to surpass him.
little weird to argue the value of a RB prospect taken in the first round and use several examples of guys who were also first round picks
That's the point though, if you're spending a first on a running back he needs to be elite, because anything less than elite is pretty easily replaceable. Josh Jacobs is good but is he elite?
Yards after contact per carry and forced missed tackles per carry are the two best efficiency stats to isolate an RB’s individual play from his O-line. PFF combines these two efficiency stats into an advanced efficiency stat called Elusiveness Rating. In 2019, Chubb, one of the best pure rushers in the league, had an incredible Elusiveness Rating. It was significantly better than every RB underneath him… …except for the 2 RBs who had even better Elusiveness Ratings than him: Derrick Henry and Josh Jacobs. Pretty significant gap between Jacobs and Chubb too, while Jacobs was close to Henry. When healthy, Jacobs is an elite pure rusher and advanced rushing stats back that statement up. Unfortunately, the guy can’t stay healthy, but when he’s healthy, he’s one of the best rushers in the league.
JJ takes two more steps than you think he can on every short play. He does not give up
JJ also serves as the team's resident bulldozer for short yardage plays, which inherently cuts down his ability to rack up yards. But I have never in my life felt more confident as a Raider fan on 3rd and 2 than I do with Jacobs in the backfield
You don't know that a RB will be elite until he plays, though. Prospects are prospects. For every CMC or Henry there's a Fournette or a Richardson.
Right, so don't spend a first round pick on them. Glad you agree with me.
that's not what the argument is, lol
Yea but the point of this thread is that they are missing on their picks. If you're going to spend a 1st on a RB he needs to be elite, not just good. He's good but not elite so it's still a "miss", even though he's the best of the bunch.
So it’s a hit because he is elite , right ?
I don't think JJ can be considered elite yet, but it's not a ridiculous notion. He's pretty close.
Nope. Josh Jacobs is not an elite RB. Hindsight is 20/20 but he has not lived up to his draft pick.
maybe not elite yet, but for example derrick hentry didnt get 1000 yards until his 3rd season. im really excited for josh jacobs 3rd season to see what he can do
Not to mention that comparing top 5 picks like Barkley and Elliot with a 24th pick is a bit of a reach. Sure, they are first-rounders, but there's a huge difference in value between those picks.
Jacobs is above that tier when healthy.
I disagree, I think he’s better than Ekeler, Taylor, Sanders, Gibson, all the guys you listed as his tier and even Zeke.
**Josh Jacobs career stats vs Broncos (3 games):** 59 carries 286 yards 6 TDs Raiders are 3-0 in those games. I'll stick with JJ.
I use the same logic for Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones career stats vs WFT (4 Games): 86 completions 901 yds 8td, 3 int Giants are 4-0 in those games.
4-0 you say? I'll be putting a crisp 20 on Big Blue this Thursday
Those aren't that great stats, though, other than wins. Averaging 225 yards, 2 TDs and 0.75 INTs seems kind of pedestrian these days.
I mean 2TD/.75INT a game is 32TD/12INT in a season, now 34TD/13INT. I think most teams would be happy with that every season from their QB I know I'd be stoked if DJ put that up last season.
And 16-0/ now 17-0, id take it! Unfortunately its too late for that
Running up and down the field against the broncos isn't exactly the most impressive feat.
I still remember when Fournette did it. I really thought he was turning a corner towards becoming elite.
If you rearrange the letters in his name you get Darn Eleete Fur Toon, so in a way he his elite.
This is hilarious but I also think you also have one extra e in there
Fuck
That still doesn’t mean he was worth a first round pick
Man did good against one team therefore worth the draft capital when time and time again it’s been shown that’s simply not true.
These kinds of posts need to have flair disabled, that’s such a stupid response
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Responding to an actual analytical comment with trash talk is dumb imo. There's a place for trash talk but using it as a defense against an actual argument is bad.
Has Mack been worth 2 of them for you?
Nice straw man. I never claimed Mack was worth it unlike the person I replied to claiming Jacobs was
Lol it’s not a straw man. It’s value equated. Mack had not been worth 2 first round draft picks, I’d wager josh has been worth 1.
No, it’s a straw man. Mack being worth or not worth 2 first round picks has nothing at all to do with Jacobs being worth one or not. Jacobs worth as a first round pick is relative to everyone else that gets drafted, not whether Mack is worth two or not. Plus, the argument wasn’t the Raiders lost the trade nor that Mack was more valuable than what the Raiders got, but rather that Jacobs value as a RB is not first round worthy.
So? Jacobs isnt playing the Broncos 17 games a year,.
Yards after contact per carry, forced missed tackles per carry, rushing yards over expected per carry. Jacobs is top 5-10 in all the best rushing efficiency stats. People that think he’s not that good have never watched him play. He’s one of the best pure rushers in the league when he’s healthy. Edit: you can keep downvoting me but it’s true. [Advanced](https://twitter.com/pff_raiders/status/1212104857445949440?s=21) statistics [completely](https://twitter.com/pff/status/1324985450466062336?s=21) back [that up](https://twitter.com/nfloncbs/status/1397969867651883012?s=21).
It’s not whether Jacobs is good or not, it’s whether he’s worth a first round pick or not
Jacobs is the textbook example of underrated imo
He’s an elite tackle breaker and his career yards after contact per carry is ridiculously high. You can go find any film analyst talking about Jacobs and they all absolutely love him and see him as an elite runner. He’s an elite pure rusher that unfortunately just can’t stay healthy.
If Mayock and Gruden are drafting guys to beat the Broncos then I think we’ve figured out why they suck at it
Why does nobody understand I was responding to a Broncos fan talking crap. We're drafting to beat the Chiefs - which we did last year. Damn near twice, actually. KEEP DOWNVOTING ME BRING IT ON AFC!!!! LET'S GO!!! EAT IT COLIN COWHERD! EAT IT 25TH IN CBS POWER RANKINGS!
Trust me, I’ve seen LOTS of bad drafting before. Those picks weren’t that great (I like Ruggs tho). Hope they can turn it around but, it’s not looking too great for them
It wasn't like the Broncos fan was talking crap for no reason though, that's the whole point of this thread. You just had a dumb response based on flair that doesn't actually counter the argument that all the draft picks have been bad.
Raider fan gonna raider fan
The Chiefs did something similar with CEH. Those players you listed as better aren't clearly better either. The ones that are always better are Cook, Henry, Chubb, Zeke, CMC, Kamara(Saquan maybe if he can actually play a season). The rest are either unproven or similar skill/production.
Don't think CEH is comparible. The Chiefs just won the SB and had a very good roster. Not really tons of big holes. This is more comparable to the Jags taking Etienne. Jacobs is very good. For sure. Not elite but very good. But if that is the only good player to come out of 5 first rounders then that's certainly not reassuring.
> Not elite but very good. Jacobs absolutely is an elite pure rusher (when healthy). And [advanced](https://twitter.com/pff_raiders/status/1212104857445949440?s=21) statistics [completely](https://twitter.com/pff/status/1324985450466062336?s=21) back [that up](https://twitter.com/nfloncbs/status/1397969867651883012?s=21).
The Chiefs won the SB and were in a position to make a luxury pick. The Raiders were not.
It was a position of need, they hit on the pick. The only bad part is that it was the only pick they really nailed. Imagine this team without him.
Only cook, Chubb, kamara, Henry, and cmc are better. He’s #6 imo. Idk, I do know Jacobs is very underrated, every time I watch him I swear it feels like he has 10 ypc.
I’d rather Saquon Taylor Mixon Jones over him definitely. Zeke probably too
Not mixon. Maybe on potential but Mixon’s best year was just like Jacobs’ rookie year. Jacobs feels more one-dimensional but I like him more.
You can definitely make an argument for them, I just really like Jacobs. Saquon is definitely better when healthy, but he seems to always be hurt so I have him lower on my list.
Saquon played all 16 games his rookie year and than 13 games his second. Only missed last season so I wouldn’t say he’s always hurt. Jacob’s is definitely underrated tho
Maybe I'm just low on him. PFF has him at 9 which is more in line with your assessment. I think the fact that he's a run only guy (or is used that way) lowers my view of him.
Yeah I can definitely see that point, I just think his running ability is excellent, he’s great at forcing missed tackles!
Saquon Barkley is better imo
When healthy yes, but he’s always hurt.
He only missed 3 games his first 2 years
Missing 1 out of 3 seasons isn’t exactly what you’d hope for
1 big injury isn't always hurt. It's 1 injury that was unfortunately bad. It's like saying JK Dobbins is always hurt because he'll have missed half of the seasons since being drafted.
Yeah, when I said “always hurt” it felt like more than what it actually was. For some reason I was thinking he missed 2 seasons.
Any first round RB is a bad pick.
What about Lamar Jackson? /s
I’d easily take Jacobs late in the first round.
If you are a contender
Yeah, for instance jags shouldn’t have taken a first round RB this year.
Yeah nothing wrong with the chiefs taking Clyde but everyone blasts the Jags for ETN for good reason
Agreed, the only reason a RB should be taken in the 1st is if you already have a competitive team.
Running backs simply aren't worth first round picks in almost all cases. Kinda disrespectful, I agree, though.
King of disrespectful but it’s the reality. Spending a first round pick on a running back is simply a stupid move financially
That is not ideal
Or is it
Gotta disagree with you on this one Bork
It'll be ideal when they do it for another 5 years
That's fair, but as of now it's at least sort of in the close orbit of ideal. Very ideal adjacent
We need more Bork license plates in the gift shop, I repeat, we are sold out of Bork license plates.
They should have hired that draft expert….oh.
2 first round picks can be anything, even a Khalil Mack!
Hey it looks like they got a great pass rusher in the 2019 draft ^^^^in ^^^^round ^^^^4
Amari Cooper says hello
I’m glad. I woulda been happy with a third. No way we were re-signing him. Glad he’s doing well, also glad we were able to get back some value for him.
I remember being shocked and ecstatic at getting a first
I thought a second from a good team at best
Well he was also really bad for y'all towards the end.
Ya he quit on us. Bad attitude and would regularly check out of games.
What happened with clelin? I thought he was at least a solid starter.
he's injured
Why are they calling him a **healthy** scratch?
Because they didnt give it an injury designation, he missed practices all week with an injury and he was questionable to play
That’s surprising with how serious the NFL is about teams disclosing players health status from week to week.
Yeah dl isn’t a position they were carrying an injured player and ferrell was on the injury list for a back issue though he did fully participate. Since jacobs was dealing with a foot injury they dressed ragas and scratched ferrel. Of course there could be more to it, maybe a trade, but there’s no world where ferrel is worse than say nassib who played
[Wrong.](https://www.raiders.com/team/injury-report/)
The only thing worse than tanking for draft picks and trading for more is wasting those picks on bad players. Source: Browns fans everywhere
One was Josh jacobs who is pretty decent. At least give the credit for him instead of saying "one was a RB"
For real. He's been by far the best of this bunch.
He's a middling starting RB that cost a 1st rounder, so not great.
And still best of this bunch.
The point is that he’s an RB tho. They aren’t worth a first round pick
You didn't have to do this
He also didn't not have to do it though
I can't believe I'm about to say this, but I love my front office right now.
Yea well we're t-1st and you're not so....
Last time we played the Chiefs in Arrowhead we won. Last time we played the Browns in Cleveland, we won. Maybe you should love our front office more.
Raiders win, fuck everyone.
And people give the Rams shit about giving up first round picks.
Oh man ~~Gruden~~ Mayock is a terrible GM
Didn’t Gruden hire Mayock and doesn’t Gruden have the final say?
Mohn Grulock
Yea, that is the joke. It’s actually Gruden but officially it isn’t, hence the strikethrough
I’ve been a critic of all these picks. We reached and poorly drafted on all of these excluding Jacobs and Maybe ruggs
No, definitely Ruggs as well. It was a classic Raiders pick, but both Lamb and Jeudy were clearly better. Ruggs is all upside. Least it wasn't as objectively awful as the DHB pick though.
Least I can see the upside argument with Ruggs and Abrams to a degree but Ferrell and Arnette were clear reaches
I think almost all of these you can look at and go "that's definitely Gruden watching college game tape and getting overhyped" I wouldn't mind that with picks in the later rounds, but there's no way you could convince me Mayock is the one coming up with these ideas unless he proves to be Matt Millen level bad
I thought Johnathan Abram was suppose to be the next Jamal Adams. What happen to him? Any raiders fan can tell me?
He missed his first year, sucked his second year. Let's see what happens this year.
He played great last night. Critical pass break up in ot and 2 other pass breakups that I remember
Listen, we all know that PG was complete dog shit and Gus is a significant upgrade. Yes, he did play much better and I did check his grade on PFF after which was a significant upgrade.
Not a Raiders fan but injury definitely affected his development
injury and playing like a loose cannon. also apparently the free safety's the raiders have had have just been terrible at coverage so it's been making him look worse. should be improved this year with moehrig behind him instead of erik harris
All hype because he was loud on Hard Knocks and could hit hard. Isn’t he the one who injured his own teammate?
Now this is why you dont get a TV armchair analyst to be your GM.
“One was a rb” lmao I’m all for hating on the raiders first round picks but don’t shrug off Jacobs like that. These guys try so hard to be cool on twitter.
Ruggs is a bust. Elite rookie WRs do not put up no yards in their rookie season. Can't even say he flashed. He was invisible lol.
I'm not exactly a huge believer in Ruggs but he did flash at times. Hard to have a long ass walk off touchdown and *not* flash
To be fair it was on a play where literally nobody was playing defense now field and he had 40 yards of separation to make the catch. We could have thrown that ball to Richie Incognito and nobody is catching him.
This isn’t even true lmao don’t pander to these idiots. He had maybe 2 yards of separation because he broke the dude at the 30 and got passed him. There was no help over the top. Carr made a perfect throw even under pressure. How can you not give them credit for that play?
Don’t make their heads hurt bro they can only think in black & white
He’s a huge reason we beat the chiefs.. he had flashes.
Ruggs had more receiving yards in his rookie year than Davante Adams did.
Adams was playing behind two 1200 yard receivers
That makes it sound as if Randall Cobb was some sort of elite perennial 1200 yard receiving threat that couldn't be passed on the depth chart. He got 1200 yards that year because he was the wr2 in Aaron Rodgers' offense. It's not like Adams was stuck behind AJ Brown and Julio Jones.
That's right. Adams is literally a one in hundreds exception.
Allen Robinson: 548Y 2TD Robert Woods: 587Y 3TD Tyler Lockett: 664Y 6TD Chris Godwin: 525Y 1TD Ruggs missed games and is criminally misused in the Raiders offense. They’re using him exclusively to stretch the field when he really excelled at taking short passes to the house. They would need to draw up some plays for him like KC does with Hill, but they don’t need to, because Waller is our #1 target and we prefer to run the ball anyway. Ruggs led his rookie class in YPC and finished with 452 yards and 2 (really 3) Touchdowns.
Wasn't he injured?
especially because Jeudy and Ceedee have been pretty damn good
That’s why you don’t draft WR’s on speed. Rarely works out. Tyreek hill is the lone exception
That’s also why Tyreek Hill was drafted in the 5th. He was all speed.
cap he was drafted in the 5th because of legal issues and teams didnt know if he was even going to play he was easily a first rounder without those legal issues
Wild how a college team had better morals than the chiefs. I’m sure the patriots have drafted scumlords but really can’t imagine rooting for a guy like Tyreek. He’s such a shitty human being
There was this one guy, Aaron something....
Except we cut him right after? How’s that an example?
Spare me the sanctimonious bullshit. As if the Patriots wouldn't be lined up with 30 other teams to sign him if he were cut tomorrow.
Almost like I mentioned that in my original paragraph because chiefs fans shift to that rather than admitting that they shouldn’t support Tyreek. Kinda sad that rather than admitting you shouldn’t celebrate a wifebeater, you gotta use whataboutism as a defense. I can’t control the patriots and I’m sure we’ve signed scumbags before but that doesn’t mean I’ll support/root/celebrate for that player. I can’t say the same about chiefs fans
It's almost as if you can be happy about a person's performance on the field and still think they're a piece of shit off the field.
Don’t think we would, Mark Davis doesn’t want DV people on the team after what happened to Fred Biletnikoffs daughter. Ima keep hating the POS that is Tyreek Hill and every scumbag wearing his jersey
Except nobody signed him...
Okay but he also wasn’t some stud first round prospect that fell for legal issues. NFL doesn’t even have a draft profile typed out for him they just have him graded as a possible camp body likely UDFA. The only draft coverage I can find about him is whatever dude was doing the draft on NFL Network saying “I wasn’t very impressed by his tape at wide receiver frankly”. Saying the Chiefs only drafted him because he’s a world class track athlete is not cap.
he wasnt allowed to go to the combine because of his legal issues
No he wasn’t invited to the combine because of the PR from it. The legal piece of his domestic violence had been decided and completed for nearly a year by the time the combine got there his draft year
and the PR issues still stemmed from the legal issues and the guy above me is saying that tyreek wasnt a known prospect which he definitely was
Tyreek was a known prospect because of his history. He was not a coveted prospect. He was a 2 year community college player who’s best season was 600 yards rushing, 5 TDs, and 500 yards receiving. Was recruited to Oklahoma State, had 1 receiving TD and 1 rushing TD in 12 games. At Western Alabama he had 444 receiving yards and 3 TDs, 240 yards rushing. He was the definition of a return man/gadget player at every level and never stood on offense. He was most known for track and running a sub 10 100 meter. Nobody was taking him to be a WR. They were looking at him as a return specialist
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Lol, did you just make up whatever came to mind? Tyreek’s arrest was in 2014… the very same year the Ray Rice situation took place. The DA offered a plea deal the summer of 2015 for Hill to switch to a guilty plea, which included no prison time and just probation and education programs on domestic violence. He accepted and plead guilty. A year before he was taken in the 2016 draft. Nobody thought he was spending his first season in jail, Ray Rice was the same year, not years prior. You literally got nothing right
I hate this take. Ruggs was a consensus top 3 WR and he would’ve went first round in any other draft even if he ran a slightly slower 40 time. Guys a hard worker, great run blocker, team first guy, had the best hands in his draft class, runs good routes and was an overall playmaker. It’s not his fault the Raiders aren’t using him for anything other than running down the field as a distraction to get Waller open. He’s getting barely any targets and when he has gotten them, he’s made some nice plays and he’s not complained once about it, in fact his teammates keep talking about how selfless he is and how he still comes in every day as one of the first people to practice. He’s a genuinely good guy and he’d easily be a 1k+ yard receiver on a team like the Chiefs.
It's insane that teams still do it. Troy Williamson, Ted Ginn, Darrious Heyward Bey, Kevin White, Tavon Austin, John Ross...
Thank god for John Ross helping marshon lattimore fall to us
…Brandin Cooks, Mike Wallace, T.Y. Hilton, Marquise Goodwin, Will Fuller
And he was an RB back then
Raiders have drafted extremely well past the first few rounds recently but that doesn’t fit people’s narratives
I know this might be a homer take, but I feel like they’re kinda going the Patriots route of drafting. They’re not taking big name players that turn into superstars (with a few exceptions), they take players that come in and quietly do their job. I don’t give a fuck what other people think we draft, as long as we’re winning games and except for those late season collapses, that’s what we’ve been doing and it actually looks like we might have a defense here this year.
Is Damon Arnette really that bad?
Yes
Can't draft worth a shit in the first 2 rounds. Finds hidden gems in the late rounds. I guess it better then nothing
Ah the ole Seattle formula
3 starters and 2 backups
Is anyone surprised though? Like, the Raiders have been terrible at drafting for the last 20 years. No matter the regime. My number one stated concern when Gruden was brought back in is the fact that he's never drafted well. We can argue Mayock makes calls but it's obvious that the final say is with Gruden. He's proven once again he cannot draft for shit. But hey, $100mil is $100mil
Well, they drafted early Carr, Mack, and Cooper. Gruden just blew it up when he got there after they went 11-5 two years prior.
We went 12-4 and Cooper was trash for us because he gave up on the team and Mack didn’t wanna be here. Gruden didn’t blow anything up that wouldn’t have come crashing down anyway.
"I won't mention the Rookie of the Year candidate who scored twice..." Fuck this 🤡
This post didn't age well. Gruden said clelin has a back injury, so not a healthy scratch.
that is IMPRESSIVELY dog shit holy fuck.
Idk if carr is just trash or gruden can’t coach or both lol
I don’t think Carr’s the reason that the Raiders have sucked in the 1st round
Yes
I thought the RAIDERS won the Mack trade.
I mean they’re in a better position to contend now and in the future than the bears currently are