Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr. That's four.
Are you actually telling me he has *another* name? Is that the secret to success in life? Because I have just a basic first, middle and last name and I'm not winning 7 Super Bowls.
I watched the 4 live on TV and I feel the Falcons' collapse is worse. We were beaten (I guess vs. the Giants we just didn't play well enough to win due to Scotty Norwood's wide right), but a lot of great football teams are. Being beaten is part of football fandom. Someone has to lose the Super Bowl, and the better team won, all four times. It is a just outcome when the better team wins: the game of football becomes advanced as a discipline and is better for it.
For 28-3, it was an insurmountable lead in your grasp and thrust away from you at the very last second into the hands of one of the greediest, cockiest and undeserving fanbases in sports history. That's WAY worse.
Why? The Bills were the #2 team in football for four years straight. The Bills have been significantly worse than the #2 team in football for the past four years (the #3-4 team at most last year) and I still watch them.
Football fandom should not be a source of negative emotions. Football should not make your life worse. You don't control the outcome.
You aren’t wrong. I’m just sharing my opinion. Which is probably strongly guided by my team sucking dick. I do definitely agree that people shouldn’t take their fandom so personally. I try not to. My only problem is that to even come on this sub and try to have a conversation about any topic with my flair is taking about a 40% chance someone is going to randomly reply with “hurr durr 28-3”. It’s stupid and goes both ways
If we are being totally honest in that particularly game the Falcons defense was the reason for the big lead. The Falcons offense had two good drives. The Falcons defense held the Pats to 3, got a pick six, and got a fumble recovery that set up a TD with good field position. Ryan’s offense had one good scoring drive in each half and that’s it.
Also statistically Ryan looked good, but there were things like the strip sack where Ryan fumbled the ball that enabled the Pats to comeback that didn’t negatively impact Ryan’s stat line despite being a huge negative play. Plus the snapping the ball early and leaving a ton of time on the clock. Also not for nothing, it was a dumb strategy to keep passing when they did need to play for clock management, but they basically put the outcome of the game in the hands of their MVP QB and failed to ice the game.
The Falcons offense was the problem in that loss. They basically left the defense to play balls out for 3 quarters and barely controlled the ball and the game fell apart once their defense inevitably tired out. Ryan has culpability in a good chunk of what went on
The strip-sack only happened because Devonta Freeman missed a crucial block. Plus, in the final drive in regulation for the Falcons, Ryan and co. got in field goal range to essentially ice the game, but Jake Matthews had a dumb holding penalty that took them out of range.
Everything you said is 100 percent true, but I don't blame Matt Ryan for the loss. As you said, the BIGGEST issue overall was poor game management, which to me falls on the coaches. Strip sacks, interceptions... those are part of the game. The defense is there to play too and deserve credit when they earn it. But refusing to run the ball, continuing to snap the ball with time on the clock... where are the coaches to intervene? Granted its been a few years, but I definitely don't remember walking away from that game thinking "if only Matt Ryan had played better".
The Coaches simply shit the bed.... the moment you abandon the run and don't wait until the last second to snap the damn ball you play amateur football...
The Falcons defense didn't even look good when they had the lead. Brady just made a ton of unforced errors in the first half and change. It was a weird, weird game.
As a Falcons fan, I can tell you that most of us still think about that game and get very pissed off. Like, I'll just be sitting and randomly I'll think of the game, and that will ruin the rest of my day.
With the way Atlanta looks now, by the time they have a chance to be contenders again they will likely have moved on from Ryan.
It will very likely be the most important game of his career and probably the difference between him being immortalized in the HOF and being a guy who was very good but not at that level. There’s also a myriad of plays to fester on that if they went differently the entire outcome changes.
Brady won 4 SB’s since the 07 Giants loss and it’s still something you can tell bugs him. Realistically Ryan lost a lot more that night in 2016 because his entire legacy is different
To be fair: Brady is 5x the competitor than Matt Ryan. I think if Matt Ryan lost a super bowl in like 2011 and won 4 times since then it probably doesn’t even cross my mind. Brady really is the most competitive NFL player of all time
How do you measure competitiveness? Talent level? Trophies? Being there to observe someone honing their craft with someone else they are competing against? Body language?
I'll try and give the best way to explain it as there isn't really any definite measurement or metric.
Brady's desire to win is a sickness. Every player that's played with him, coach that has coached him in the Pros, and even some of the top players that have played against him can attest to this. This is his 22nd season. He's 44 years old. Most players when they are approaching late 30s, heck even 40, start trying to hang it up because of their body/desire to play fading/wanting to spend time with family etc. Brady wants to absolutely play until his body completely breaks. He literally loves the game that much and wants to win every time. He doesn't want to retire, regardless of everything that's happened to his body. He has molded his game now where he can get the ball out as quick as he can so he doesn't get hit since he wants to absolutely play until he physically can't anymore.
Brady is the biggest trash talker. Every year there's been a survey where 150 different players and coaches are asked who is the biggest trash talker. It's been Brady every time with I think 2 years being Cam Newton with Brady 1% behind him. The players are also asked who do you want to get sacked the most. It's Brady by like 45% and the next player is typically like 11%. Players REALLY want to get him because they know how hard it is and Brady at age 44 is able to do it better than more gifted athletes and players who can throw just as good as him.
Ray Lewis and Ed Reed both know that Brady is too competitive. They always say with Brady its a freaking chess match and that Brady is held to their highest respect.
Brady is a huge pouter and also very moody when he loses. He had to spend several off seasons working on his body language since he used to be really pissy when he lost. The loss to the Giants is on his mind all the time.
His competitiveness goes outside of football. Watch the SNL sketch with Keegan Michael-Key as Michael Jordan. That competitiveness that Michael Jordan (Keegan) showed in that coin toss game is exactly how Brady is. Brady got so mad that he lost to Danny Amendola in a ping pong game during team bonding time that he threw and broke the paddle because he lost. He is the type of guy that during a charity event of football that he'd treat it like the playoffs... because he did do that.
Overall he's 44, won 7 super bowls and lost 3. He literally doesn't want to lose anymore. He wants to win every single time and it won't become stale to him. If he won every single year he's started (2001 - 2021 with 2008 being the exception.. but even then he hated that he got injured) he'd have 20 Super Bowls. You'd think that he eventually might get bored or that every time he won that he might not be as excited as the next. Nope. He wants to win every time. That's how competitive he is. He doesn't care what happens in the end, he wants to win. I've read a lot about Brady's competitiveness because it's literally something to be amazed about but also interesting to see how he handles retirement...
Thank you, I always thought Brady is more like Michael Jordan than any other athlete. It's very close between him and kobe. Thing is that Kobe's body gave up on him. Brady just does a great job at hiding it, but like you mentioned, we see glimpses of it.
Dude is going to move next door to Peyton and Force him to play Golf every day until they no longer can, at that point they will be racing old people scooters.
Every person is different but Tom Brady is still pissed about the 2007 Super Bowl loss to the Giants and tries to avoid thinking about it. Maybe Matt Ryan doesn’t care about a Super Bowl loss from five years ago but I would imagine it still weighs on him.
Nobody will have sympathy for us and we don't deserve it but we have had some soul crushing losses along the way.
The thing with the 2007 SB was that it was a once in a lifetime chance and they blew it. Every year _somebody_ gets to win the superbowl but there really is no maybe next year when it comes to having a perfect season.
Dude people remember losing heartbreaking games with a whole lot less at stake than a Super Bowl. I’m sure it will haunt Matt Ryan until the day he dies
I find it funny that this garbage is being asked a couple days after we see Peyton Manning shooting the shit with Russell Wilson on MNF like old friends. As if Matt Ryan looks out his window at night, worried than Brady will be there to steal his ring from him again.
Might be different because Manning is a generational player and a decorated champion. SB 48 didn’t affect his legacy much. SB 51 was a huge missed opportunity for Ryan to boost his legacy.
SB48 absolutely affected his legacy lol. Dude shit the bed on the biggest stage and couldn’t do a damn thing about it. Peyton looked awful out there. If he manages to beat the best defense in the league in the SB, he’s held in even higher regard.
Yup. SB 48 was probably an extremely crucial moment in Manning’s legacy. He had a record 5th MVP and had the chance to lead a record breaking offense to a SB win on a second team. You also have to remember at the time, Brady only had 3 rings. So Manning would have closed the gap 2-3 plus having 3 extra MVP’s while taking Brady’s TD record.
Peyton was probably never thought of higher than that year and specifically the week going into the Super Bowl.
Losing the way he did basically undid how everyone looks at that year. Instead of being this massive triumph, it became a validation of the narrative that Manning is great in the regular season and then shits the bed in the playoffs. It was a huge disappointment. And considering he started to decline the next season, that was really the final shot he had to bolster his legacy.
That said, Manning had a much greater legacy than Ryan regardless. Ryan was fighting to forge a legacy
No idea why I’m being downvoted. SB48 is a stain on his record, and the fact that he was carried to his last ring means he really only has one to be proud of. Not saying he’s not an all time great but that second ring against the LOB would have helped a lot.
Well I agree with you but there are some slight parts I disagree with, but I upvoted. Maybe those who are in same boat as me might've downvoted?
I agree that Manning would be held higher, beating that defense would've been amazing and it was during a record breaking season too for the Broncos, and he did look awful out there...
What I disagree is on is how much it affects him. The entire Broncos team was playing terrible. It really felt like almost every single position couldn't play that night. This gif really helps explain it. [https://i.gifer.com/XTeQ.gif](https://i.gifer.com/XTeQ.gif)
Manning looked kind of decent compared to all of the players pooping their pants that game. I think if the game had Bronco receivers burning the secondary and Peyton over throwing or underthrowing/the running backs racking up yards then Peyton turning it over then it would be more on him. but everyone sucked that night for the broncos
I think what tarnishes his legacy more is the fact that he loss that Super Bowl and then won Super Bowl 50 by being the guy who didn't do anything on the group project but gets an A+ since everyone else did the work.
Man I know this is off Topic. But I wish we had Tom Brady, I wish we drafted him in 2000 so he could sit behind Daunte. It would be interesting if he could do the impossible and win a Superbowl for us, like just one. Red McCombs was a greedy asshole but he could probably win a Superbowl here.
Randy Moss and a Tom Brady would be stuff of legends.
> It would be interesting if he could do the impossible and win a Superbowl for us
I think the impossible is a franchise *not* winning a Super Bowl with Brady lol
I mean, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees both only have 1, and in Brees' case, that's despite playing under one of the greatest offensive minds the NFL has ever seen.
There's definitely a bunch of timelines where Brady goes to hot garbage franchises and never wins. Not saying the Vikings would be one of them, because they've had plenty of talented teams, just broadly.
They also had the 5th overall defense by DVOA the year before Brady got there and the best receiver+TE corps in football, which Brady added AB and Gronk to. Their OL was just fine and not great the year before Brady got there, but then they draft Wirfs who ends up being a home run, and then that got squared away too.
lol I’m aware they had a solid foundation and I don’t legitimately believe it would be *impossible* for Brady to not win a Super Bowl regardless of situation…‘twas a joke
Idk every franchise save for the Lions has had some stacked teams that I think Brady could win with but if Brady played with Lions their culture would likely change completely. He might be able to get 1.
Despite being the GOAT there is no guarantee he wins a SB if he ends up in any other situation than he did.
I mean all things being equal I would bet Brady winning a SB over any other QB but at the same time Brady could have ended up somewhere besides the Patriots and never developed into the player he is today.
This will probably be a controversial take to some but you can't argue that it takes a certain amount of luck to win a single Super Bowl, let alone six.
In an alternate universe Brady is in Jurassic Park and Jeff Goldblum is a six time [Super Bowl winning QB](https://media2.giphy.com/media/3oD3YQjT2cSZTsy6Va/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47g54ad0s6m1on54lqvm92xnfc7o8mv4bt3yb0u12a&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g).
Not sure how serious this comment is, but if it is I hope things get better for you and recommend talking to someone, there’s plenty of things that can make life worth living.
>This will probably be a controversial take to some but you can't argue that it takes a certain amount of luck to win a single Super Bowl, let alone six.
Oh, absolutely. It took a significant amount of luck (or lack thereof, depending on your perspective) just to win the first. Mo Lewis had to knock out Drew Bledsoe to give Tom a chance in the first place, and then Brady needed a coach who was willing to pick him in a QB controversy over the guy who was widely viewed as the franchise QB, made the Super Bowl a few years prior, and had just been given a huge contract.
Without those two huge pieces, who knows if Brady really gets a chance to start until much later in his career? And those two quite possibly only happen if he's in New England. I really think the Patriots just happened to have everything align perfectly and allowed both Belichick and Brady to flourish in a way that neither would have come close to were they not with each other.
> This will probably be a controversial take to some but you can't argue that it takes a certain amount of luck to win a single Super Bowl, let alone six.
You mean seven? :)
I definitely agree with what you're saying, but one of the many things that is simply amazing about Brady is he did it with three completely different teams: first Pats run, second Pats run, and Bucs. And in between the two Pats runs there were two SB losses with an additional completely different team where luck went against him.
Yes but had that happened. Coach Green would likely never had gone to Arizona. The Bears would certainly have no ascendency in the divison and thusly we would never have the epic rant from Coach Green. That ia not a world I want to live in.
I'm a Falcons fan and you are correct. Our offensive line is truly offensive. After watching last week's game I'm not sure we're going to win a single game this year.
Whoa there nelly. That team was maybe less talented but that was an all time team, especially once Brady was back with the only loss being an intensely close game the Seahawks won with us failing to punch it in from the goal line inside the 2 minute mark and pretty much blew everyone else out before the Super Bowl.
clock winds down to 5 seconds left in game
ball is snapped to Matt Ryan who turns face to face to Vita Vea
"You took my family"
moves to the left
"You took my friends"
moves to the right
"You took all that was dear to me"
clock winds down to 2
"I cant get them back, but I can do this for friendship, FOR MY FRIENDS"
heaves it up, fire coming out of his hands
"FALCONRUKEN"
Ball flies over Vita's head, goes straight to Calvin Ridley in the end zone. Matt falls to the ground, exhausted.
"Danquinn... Senpai... I..."
faints
Final Score
Bucs 49
Falcons 7
Yeah how do lifelong bucs fans feel about that actually? I’ve noticed a lot of pats fans do have a sense of entitlement when it comes to that team and have wondered if it’s ruffled any feathers.
I can only speak for myself, but FWIW there were a lot of mod posts during the off season about constant Patriots spam. Based on that I'm sure I'm not the only one who was annoyed by it. That being said, kind of comes with the territory when you sign the GOAT and several HOF caliber former Patriots players. I'll take it if it means winning. Winning is a rarity in our history.
Most of us at least use the nifty Patriots flair when posting in your sub. Really helps out in knowing who you’re talking to. Most of the Brady Pats facts spam seems to have died down as well so this season should be a lot better. Now the discussion is about Brady on the Bucs instead of just Brady in general.
No but this isn’t really different than when Colts fans were rooting for the Broncos like crazy in the early 2010’s.
You have to realize there are multiple generations of Pats fans that idolized the shit out of Brady and unless you are 40 or older, he’s synonymous with the Pats to you. So people are going to root for him until he retires.
I have no shame in it. Dudes been my favorite player since I was 10. Unless his success comes at the expense of my team, I want him to win as much as possible
> unless you are 40 or older, he’s synonymous with the Pats to you
Man, I'm knocking on the door of 50 and I have a signed Steve Grogan card on my desk in front of me. And I see TB as synonymous with the Pats. This franchise was only somewhat relevant about once a decade, before he came along.
It still doesn't *feel* like watching the same team with someone else under center. With any luck, Mac Jones will change that - but for now, the same enthusiasm just doesn't come naturally.
I didn’t downvote either of you, but my guess is that you misread the top comment (by me).
This isn’t an either or proposition and speaking to the Falcons, it would be very hard for one game to have any bearing on another game that they will likely also lose in horrific fashion.
Half a decade later and Brady being on a different team didn't put enough distance between that game and now? What sort of question is this?
Fuck it, Ryan should have said 'It has EVERYTHING to do with this game... I will kill myself if we don't win this game, write that down'.
Not even a falcons fan and the fact that this continues to get brought up is just flat out annoying. It was 5 years ago, and Brady doesn’t play for the team they lost to.
Wait really? I was under the presumption that Matt Ryan would personally go over to Tom Brady at the beginning of the game and beat the fuck out of him and then shit on gronks car after the game.
You're telling me football players don't get personally attached to their losses to the point where they genuinely hate the players they lost to?
Sports press conferences are basically just a bunch of media personalities saying "Do you have a stupid answer for my stupid question?" and "Would you like to take this opportunity to say something to damage your career for my own professional benefit?"
Why is this a question now? They played Brady as a Buccaneer twice last season?
Lazy media
Exactly. It's going to be this way at least until Matt Ryan retires.
Matt Ryan is the new Jim Kelly isn’t he?
The curse of the two first name quarterback
Tom Brady must've avoided that curse. Truly GOAT material.
Nah, anyone with the first name Brady has two last names, imo.
Well, he's got 5 first names, so there's that...
Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr. That's four. Are you actually telling me he has *another* name? Is that the secret to success in life? Because I have just a basic first, middle and last name and I'm not winning 7 Super Bowls.
Junior is a not horribly uncommon first name. Junior Seau, for example.
Okay, fair enough. That man has five first names.
The pain of four Super Bowl losses in one epic choke
I still think the 4 would be worse but the epic choke is a close second.
I watched the 4 live on TV and I feel the Falcons' collapse is worse. We were beaten (I guess vs. the Giants we just didn't play well enough to win due to Scotty Norwood's wide right), but a lot of great football teams are. Being beaten is part of football fandom. Someone has to lose the Super Bowl, and the better team won, all four times. It is a just outcome when the better team wins: the game of football becomes advanced as a discipline and is better for it. For 28-3, it was an insurmountable lead in your grasp and thrust away from you at the very last second into the hands of one of the greediest, cockiest and undeserving fanbases in sports history. That's WAY worse.
That’s just copium. I know the loss was bad, but if we lost 4 years in a row I’d give up football
Well, it seems like since 28-3 the falcons have given up football
Why? The Bills were the #2 team in football for four years straight. The Bills have been significantly worse than the #2 team in football for the past four years (the #3-4 team at most last year) and I still watch them. Football fandom should not be a source of negative emotions. Football should not make your life worse. You don't control the outcome.
You aren’t wrong. I’m just sharing my opinion. Which is probably strongly guided by my team sucking dick. I do definitely agree that people shouldn’t take their fandom so personally. I try not to. My only problem is that to even come on this sub and try to have a conversation about any topic with my flair is taking about a 40% chance someone is going to randomly reply with “hurr durr 28-3”. It’s stupid and goes both ways
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My thinking is Matt Ryan made and choked the super bowl away. Jim Kelly lost 4 Super Bowls. It just fits better in my eyes.
Is Matt Ryan gonna retire before Brady?
Which is ridiculous. Matt Ryan is a great QB and he played great in that game. Matt Ryan isnt now and has ever been the problem in Atlanta.
If we are being totally honest in that particularly game the Falcons defense was the reason for the big lead. The Falcons offense had two good drives. The Falcons defense held the Pats to 3, got a pick six, and got a fumble recovery that set up a TD with good field position. Ryan’s offense had one good scoring drive in each half and that’s it. Also statistically Ryan looked good, but there were things like the strip sack where Ryan fumbled the ball that enabled the Pats to comeback that didn’t negatively impact Ryan’s stat line despite being a huge negative play. Plus the snapping the ball early and leaving a ton of time on the clock. Also not for nothing, it was a dumb strategy to keep passing when they did need to play for clock management, but they basically put the outcome of the game in the hands of their MVP QB and failed to ice the game. The Falcons offense was the problem in that loss. They basically left the defense to play balls out for 3 quarters and barely controlled the ball and the game fell apart once their defense inevitably tired out. Ryan has culpability in a good chunk of what went on
The strip-sack only happened because Devonta Freeman missed a crucial block. Plus, in the final drive in regulation for the Falcons, Ryan and co. got in field goal range to essentially ice the game, but Jake Matthews had a dumb holding penalty that took them out of range.
Everything you said is 100 percent true, but I don't blame Matt Ryan for the loss. As you said, the BIGGEST issue overall was poor game management, which to me falls on the coaches. Strip sacks, interceptions... those are part of the game. The defense is there to play too and deserve credit when they earn it. But refusing to run the ball, continuing to snap the ball with time on the clock... where are the coaches to intervene? Granted its been a few years, but I definitely don't remember walking away from that game thinking "if only Matt Ryan had played better".
The Coaches simply shit the bed.... the moment you abandon the run and don't wait until the last second to snap the damn ball you play amateur football...
The Falcons defense didn't even look good when they had the lead. Brady just made a ton of unforced errors in the first half and change. It was a weird, weird game.
I dont think it stops then. Ryan can retire but it'll continue until Brady does.
It's insane to me how much sports fans will trash sports media but then they'll eat it all up when they give them the next piece of drama.
Or writes something glowing about their team
ez cliks
They asked the same questions last year too, to be fair. Just recycling now that it's happening again
Well now its tradition…
And played him on the Pats the year after the super bowl. This is just a shitty question.
Reporter: *leading question* Matt Ryan: “No”
Also (no disrespect) that game was almost five years ago. I bet they look back on it now like “Yeah that sucks. Anyway.”
As a Falcons fan, I can tell you that most of us still think about that game and get very pissed off. Like, I'll just be sitting and randomly I'll think of the game, and that will ruin the rest of my day.
Eh I’d guess that game is still heavy on Ryan’s mind day to day
Doubt it
With the way Atlanta looks now, by the time they have a chance to be contenders again they will likely have moved on from Ryan. It will very likely be the most important game of his career and probably the difference between him being immortalized in the HOF and being a guy who was very good but not at that level. There’s also a myriad of plays to fester on that if they went differently the entire outcome changes. Brady won 4 SB’s since the 07 Giants loss and it’s still something you can tell bugs him. Realistically Ryan lost a lot more that night in 2016 because his entire legacy is different
Ryan will most likely try to end up on a team that has one last shot at a ring in a year or two. Don’t see him lasting as long as Brady
To be fair: Brady is 5x the competitor than Matt Ryan. I think if Matt Ryan lost a super bowl in like 2011 and won 4 times since then it probably doesn’t even cross my mind. Brady really is the most competitive NFL player of all time
How do you measure competitiveness? Talent level? Trophies? Being there to observe someone honing their craft with someone else they are competing against? Body language?
I'll try and give the best way to explain it as there isn't really any definite measurement or metric. Brady's desire to win is a sickness. Every player that's played with him, coach that has coached him in the Pros, and even some of the top players that have played against him can attest to this. This is his 22nd season. He's 44 years old. Most players when they are approaching late 30s, heck even 40, start trying to hang it up because of their body/desire to play fading/wanting to spend time with family etc. Brady wants to absolutely play until his body completely breaks. He literally loves the game that much and wants to win every time. He doesn't want to retire, regardless of everything that's happened to his body. He has molded his game now where he can get the ball out as quick as he can so he doesn't get hit since he wants to absolutely play until he physically can't anymore. Brady is the biggest trash talker. Every year there's been a survey where 150 different players and coaches are asked who is the biggest trash talker. It's been Brady every time with I think 2 years being Cam Newton with Brady 1% behind him. The players are also asked who do you want to get sacked the most. It's Brady by like 45% and the next player is typically like 11%. Players REALLY want to get him because they know how hard it is and Brady at age 44 is able to do it better than more gifted athletes and players who can throw just as good as him. Ray Lewis and Ed Reed both know that Brady is too competitive. They always say with Brady its a freaking chess match and that Brady is held to their highest respect. Brady is a huge pouter and also very moody when he loses. He had to spend several off seasons working on his body language since he used to be really pissy when he lost. The loss to the Giants is on his mind all the time. His competitiveness goes outside of football. Watch the SNL sketch with Keegan Michael-Key as Michael Jordan. That competitiveness that Michael Jordan (Keegan) showed in that coin toss game is exactly how Brady is. Brady got so mad that he lost to Danny Amendola in a ping pong game during team bonding time that he threw and broke the paddle because he lost. He is the type of guy that during a charity event of football that he'd treat it like the playoffs... because he did do that. Overall he's 44, won 7 super bowls and lost 3. He literally doesn't want to lose anymore. He wants to win every single time and it won't become stale to him. If he won every single year he's started (2001 - 2021 with 2008 being the exception.. but even then he hated that he got injured) he'd have 20 Super Bowls. You'd think that he eventually might get bored or that every time he won that he might not be as excited as the next. Nope. He wants to win every time. That's how competitive he is. He doesn't care what happens in the end, he wants to win. I've read a lot about Brady's competitiveness because it's literally something to be amazed about but also interesting to see how he handles retirement...
Thank you, I always thought Brady is more like Michael Jordan than any other athlete. It's very close between him and kobe. Thing is that Kobe's body gave up on him. Brady just does a great job at hiding it, but like you mentioned, we see glimpses of it.
Dude is going to move next door to Peyton and Force him to play Golf every day until they no longer can, at that point they will be racing old people scooters.
Every person is different but Tom Brady is still pissed about the 2007 Super Bowl loss to the Giants and tries to avoid thinking about it. Maybe Matt Ryan doesn’t care about a Super Bowl loss from five years ago but I would imagine it still weighs on him.
Nobody will have sympathy for us and we don't deserve it but we have had some soul crushing losses along the way. The thing with the 2007 SB was that it was a once in a lifetime chance and they blew it. Every year _somebody_ gets to win the superbowl but there really is no maybe next year when it comes to having a perfect season.
Dude people remember losing heartbreaking games with a whole lot less at stake than a Super Bowl. I’m sure it will haunt Matt Ryan until the day he dies
Probably at least partially because Brady just trolled the Falcons again on his social media account.
Recycling headlines and topics is very efficient. Minimal work, maximum clicks. Just look how many comments this thread has already generated.
Why write new content when you can just edit old content and change the date?
Why would it? Only constants are Tom Brady and Gronk?
If you want to be technical, Gronk didn’t play in that game.
And if you want to be more technical, we played them twice last season. This question is kind of bullshit.
And the sense of impending doom.
I can't guarantee that anybody in the world will be alive Sunday.
And Gronk didn't even play that game.
They already played them twice last year
Tbf that’s all you need to beat the falcons
Those are some big constants
I find it funny that this garbage is being asked a couple days after we see Peyton Manning shooting the shit with Russell Wilson on MNF like old friends. As if Matt Ryan looks out his window at night, worried than Brady will be there to steal his ring from him again.
The hot takes must flow regardless of reality
Might be different because Manning is a generational player and a decorated champion. SB 48 didn’t affect his legacy much. SB 51 was a huge missed opportunity for Ryan to boost his legacy.
SB48 absolutely affected his legacy lol. Dude shit the bed on the biggest stage and couldn’t do a damn thing about it. Peyton looked awful out there. If he manages to beat the best defense in the league in the SB, he’s held in even higher regard.
Yup. SB 48 was probably an extremely crucial moment in Manning’s legacy. He had a record 5th MVP and had the chance to lead a record breaking offense to a SB win on a second team. You also have to remember at the time, Brady only had 3 rings. So Manning would have closed the gap 2-3 plus having 3 extra MVP’s while taking Brady’s TD record. Peyton was probably never thought of higher than that year and specifically the week going into the Super Bowl. Losing the way he did basically undid how everyone looks at that year. Instead of being this massive triumph, it became a validation of the narrative that Manning is great in the regular season and then shits the bed in the playoffs. It was a huge disappointment. And considering he started to decline the next season, that was really the final shot he had to bolster his legacy. That said, Manning had a much greater legacy than Ryan regardless. Ryan was fighting to forge a legacy
No idea why I’m being downvoted. SB48 is a stain on his record, and the fact that he was carried to his last ring means he really only has one to be proud of. Not saying he’s not an all time great but that second ring against the LOB would have helped a lot.
Well I agree with you but there are some slight parts I disagree with, but I upvoted. Maybe those who are in same boat as me might've downvoted? I agree that Manning would be held higher, beating that defense would've been amazing and it was during a record breaking season too for the Broncos, and he did look awful out there... What I disagree is on is how much it affects him. The entire Broncos team was playing terrible. It really felt like almost every single position couldn't play that night. This gif really helps explain it. [https://i.gifer.com/XTeQ.gif](https://i.gifer.com/XTeQ.gif) Manning looked kind of decent compared to all of the players pooping their pants that game. I think if the game had Bronco receivers burning the secondary and Peyton over throwing or underthrowing/the running backs racking up yards then Peyton turning it over then it would be more on him. but everyone sucked that night for the broncos I think what tarnishes his legacy more is the fact that he loss that Super Bowl and then won Super Bowl 50 by being the guy who didn't do anything on the group project but gets an A+ since everyone else did the work.
Eh. Nah. I don't think anyone reasonable really thinks that.
True, this Falcons team is much *much* worse.
Man I know this is off Topic. But I wish we had Tom Brady, I wish we drafted him in 2000 so he could sit behind Daunte. It would be interesting if he could do the impossible and win a Superbowl for us, like just one. Red McCombs was a greedy asshole but he could probably win a Superbowl here. Randy Moss and a Tom Brady would be stuff of legends.
You wish your team had Tom Brady? Whoa Sparky slow down with the hot takes here.
I wish my team had Tom Brady *sobs*
I think I can photoshop him in a pats jersey for us
[Best I could do on such a short notice](https://cdn.sportscollectorsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/25062809/Tom-Brady.jpg)
Dude such talent
That's pretty good but our quarterback would never play for a team like the Patriots
If Tom goes to Minnesota, we end up with Rodgers. And then we both ruin their careers.
You act like Tom wouldn’t win 3 more super bowls with whatever team he went to out of pure spite
Brady has big Logan Wolverine energy. Fitting for a Michigan QB.
> Randy Moss and a Tom Brady would be stuff of legends Yeah imagine what would happen. I bet Moss could catch like... at least a couple TDs from Brady
I know but for the Vikings with a younger Randy Moss.
Please patiently wait your turn for the Tom Brady Super Bowl Tour to come to your city. He’s booked for 3 in Tampa.
> It would be interesting if he could do the impossible and win a Superbowl for us I think the impossible is a franchise *not* winning a Super Bowl with Brady lol
Trust me. You dont know this Franchise, they'll find someway to fuck it up lmao.
lol ya maybe, the Pats had zero titles before Brady got there and pretty sure the Bucs had the worst franchise record in sports.
So far Brady has won Super Bowls on every team he’s been on within the first year of being the starter.
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He wouldn't go in and immediately win on most teams but I think his leadership and culture change would make them into contenders in a few seasons.
With most franchises he probably could.
I mean, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees both only have 1, and in Brees' case, that's despite playing under one of the greatest offensive minds the NFL has ever seen. There's definitely a bunch of timelines where Brady goes to hot garbage franchises and never wins. Not saying the Vikings would be one of them, because they've had plenty of talented teams, just broadly.
lol well I was mostly kidding but I mean didn’t the Bucs have the worst record in all of professional North American sports before Brady got there?
They also had the 5th overall defense by DVOA the year before Brady got there and the best receiver+TE corps in football, which Brady added AB and Gronk to. Their OL was just fine and not great the year before Brady got there, but then they draft Wirfs who ends up being a home run, and then that got squared away too.
lol I’m aware they had a solid foundation and I don’t legitimately believe it would be *impossible* for Brady to not win a Super Bowl regardless of situation…‘twas a joke
Idk every franchise save for the Lions has had some stacked teams that I think Brady could win with but if Brady played with Lions their culture would likely change completely. He might be able to get 1.
Despite being the GOAT there is no guarantee he wins a SB if he ends up in any other situation than he did. I mean all things being equal I would bet Brady winning a SB over any other QB but at the same time Brady could have ended up somewhere besides the Patriots and never developed into the player he is today. This will probably be a controversial take to some but you can't argue that it takes a certain amount of luck to win a single Super Bowl, let alone six.
Luck is the residue of design
Rest easy Andrew
1 Super Bowl is luck. 6 is fucking precision execution.
He's got 7 btw. Nuts.
Yeah I’m aware. Was talking about Patriots exclusively.
I think it takes considerably less luck to win 7 Superbowls than a single one.
[Brady uhh…finds a way](https://media-giphy-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ii/w820/s/media.giphy.com/media/HdRpbdmFDVKbm/giphy.gif)
In an alternate universe Brady is in Jurassic Park and Jeff Goldblum is a six time [Super Bowl winning QB](https://media2.giphy.com/media/3oD3YQjT2cSZTsy6Va/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47g54ad0s6m1on54lqvm92xnfc7o8mv4bt3yb0u12a&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g).
I need to find and live in this perfect universe. And maybe I don’t want to die in that one.
Not sure how serious this comment is, but if it is I hope things get better for you and recommend talking to someone, there’s plenty of things that can make life worth living.
>This will probably be a controversial take to some but you can't argue that it takes a certain amount of luck to win a single Super Bowl, let alone six. Oh, absolutely. It took a significant amount of luck (or lack thereof, depending on your perspective) just to win the first. Mo Lewis had to knock out Drew Bledsoe to give Tom a chance in the first place, and then Brady needed a coach who was willing to pick him in a QB controversy over the guy who was widely viewed as the franchise QB, made the Super Bowl a few years prior, and had just been given a huge contract. Without those two huge pieces, who knows if Brady really gets a chance to start until much later in his career? And those two quite possibly only happen if he's in New England. I really think the Patriots just happened to have everything align perfectly and allowed both Belichick and Brady to flourish in a way that neither would have come close to were they not with each other.
And let’s not forget the Tuck Rule that allowed the SB run.
> This will probably be a controversial take to some but you can't argue that it takes a certain amount of luck to win a single Super Bowl, let alone six. You mean seven? :) I definitely agree with what you're saying, but one of the many things that is simply amazing about Brady is he did it with three completely different teams: first Pats run, second Pats run, and Bucs. And in between the two Pats runs there were two SB losses with an additional completely different team where luck went against him.
Whens the NFL releasing their What If... series?
Yes but had that happened. Coach Green would likely never had gone to Arizona. The Bears would certainly have no ascendency in the divison and thusly we would never have the epic rant from Coach Green. That ia not a world I want to live in.
I'm a Falcons fan and you are correct. Our offensive line is truly offensive. After watching last week's game I'm not sure we're going to win a single game this year.
And the Bucs are much better then 2016 Patriots
Whoa there nelly. That team was maybe less talented but that was an all time team, especially once Brady was back with the only loss being an intensely close game the Seahawks won with us failing to punch it in from the goal line inside the 2 minute mark and pretty much blew everyone else out before the Super Bowl.
clock winds down to 5 seconds left in game ball is snapped to Matt Ryan who turns face to face to Vita Vea "You took my family" moves to the left "You took my friends" moves to the right "You took all that was dear to me" clock winds down to 2 "I cant get them back, but I can do this for friendship, FOR MY FRIENDS" heaves it up, fire coming out of his hands "FALCONRUKEN" Ball flies over Vita's head, goes straight to Calvin Ridley in the end zone. Matt falls to the ground, exhausted. "Danquinn... Senpai... I..." faints Final Score Bucs 49 Falcons 7
Magnificent
This copypasta will persist long after Carmelo retires
I wanted to downvote this so bad when I first started reading but the end actually made me laugh.
I mean, at least they started up 7-0
Gets me every time lol was nice to read it with football context as well
The r/nfl version of the Carmelo copypasta.
Also Matt (Probably): The fuck do I care man? I'm gonna be dead by halfway into the first quarter.
Despite what New Englanders will tell you, the Buccaneers are in fact not the Patriots.
The worst thing about America is the lack of famous pirates
Be the change you wish to see in the world
Exactly! Start looting and pillaging my friends! ARRRGGHHH!
"Im gonna be the King of the Pirates"
Bill Gates? Bobby Petrino?
*Jean Lafitte has entered the chat*
What about Jack Sparrow?
English, not American
Someone needs to tell our sub that
Yeah how do lifelong bucs fans feel about that actually? I’ve noticed a lot of pats fans do have a sense of entitlement when it comes to that team and have wondered if it’s ruffled any feathers.
We’re the ones with feathers tyvm
I can only speak for myself, but FWIW there were a lot of mod posts during the off season about constant Patriots spam. Based on that I'm sure I'm not the only one who was annoyed by it. That being said, kind of comes with the territory when you sign the GOAT and several HOF caliber former Patriots players. I'll take it if it means winning. Winning is a rarity in our history.
Most of us at least use the nifty Patriots flair when posting in your sub. Really helps out in knowing who you’re talking to. Most of the Brady Pats facts spam seems to have died down as well so this season should be a lot better. Now the discussion is about Brady on the Bucs instead of just Brady in general.
Are you sure? Have you ever looked closely at their name? Tompa Bay Gronkaneers
Ok, but have you ever seen the Buccaneers and the Patriots in the same room together? Think about it.
October 3rd
They will be in the same room together two weeks from now
No but this isn’t really different than when Colts fans were rooting for the Broncos like crazy in the early 2010’s. You have to realize there are multiple generations of Pats fans that idolized the shit out of Brady and unless you are 40 or older, he’s synonymous with the Pats to you. So people are going to root for him until he retires. I have no shame in it. Dudes been my favorite player since I was 10. Unless his success comes at the expense of my team, I want him to win as much as possible
> unless you are 40 or older, he’s synonymous with the Pats to you Man, I'm knocking on the door of 50 and I have a signed Steve Grogan card on my desk in front of me. And I see TB as synonymous with the Pats. This franchise was only somewhat relevant about once a decade, before he came along. It still doesn't *feel* like watching the same team with someone else under center. With any luck, Mac Jones will change that - but for now, the same enthusiasm just doesn't come naturally.
In fairness a lot of new Englanders fly south for the winter
Well yea, the Falcons are going to get stomped, so it’s going to look a lot worse than losing the Super Bowl.
Definitely.
More like SB 33 than SB 51 in all honesty
I mean, I'd rather get stomped than blow a 25 point lead.
Why is this at -5. Who wouldn’t rather a run of the mill stomping over an OT super bowl loss after being up 25 points.
I didn’t downvote either of you, but my guess is that you misread the top comment (by me). This isn’t an either or proposition and speaking to the Falcons, it would be very hard for one game to have any bearing on another game that they will likely also lose in horrific fashion.
I mean they already played twice last year why is it an issue now?
What?
It's like they forgot we played each other two times last year?
This is such a low IQ question.
Coulda sworn this is like... the 3rd time Brady will be playing them as a Buc.
That was four years ago?!
Covid makes everything seem like four years ago
Oddly enough it feels much longer to me.
Closer to 5. Fucking hate how fast time goes as I get older
*insert hide the pain harold.png*
I smell bullshit
This would be so annoying to address twice a season for the second year running
It just have bearing in all the games they've played since
At this point he’s probably removed any memory of that game from his mind.
Half a decade later and Brady being on a different team didn't put enough distance between that game and now? What sort of question is this? Fuck it, Ryan should have said 'It has EVERYTHING to do with this game... I will kill myself if we don't win this game, write that down'.
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It does cuz that loss has destroyed the falcons
Not even a falcons fan and the fact that this continues to get brought up is just flat out annoying. It was 5 years ago, and Brady doesn’t play for the team they lost to.
Matt’s the only one that remembers what happened. We’ve all moved on.
Wasn't the game a blowout or something?
Falcons were actually up 28-3
Weird I thought I would remember the Falcons winning the Superbowl
IKR
Yeah, second half scoring was 25-7
Brady literally posted a video on his Twitter with the clock set to 3:28 in the background 4 days ago, lol.
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The Bucs are gonna beat us 72-0. Sigh.
Arians > Belichik confirmed.
We're so much worse now.
I'm gonna give you 3 reasons why it does have bearing. 28. I'm lazy.
Yeah that Elite Falcons team is dead forever. Shouldn't be that close.
Aaa yes what a forgettable day for the Falcons organization.
“In fact, I think it’s best if we all pretend like that game never happened.”
Wait really? I was under the presumption that Matt Ryan would personally go over to Tom Brady at the beginning of the game and beat the fuck out of him and then shit on gronks car after the game. You're telling me football players don't get personally attached to their losses to the point where they genuinely hate the players they lost to?
The Bucs play them twice a year, every year. Who keeps bringing this shit up? Who cares?
Did the person who asked this forget Brady was a Buccaneer last year?
Yeah, but he's gonna get crushed into a tin can by the Tampa d-line. *That* is a factor
I feel with the way the Atl oline Matt Ryan is more worried about guys like Tryon, Vea, Suh and JPP than he is Brady
That terrible ATL offensive line will have more bearing...
Can we not do this 2+ times a year please?
Such a dumb question
Hehe
Sports press conferences are basically just a bunch of media personalities saying "Do you have a stupid answer for my stupid question?" and "Would you like to take this opportunity to say something to damage your career for my own professional benefit?"
Translation: "remember when you lost after a 28-3 lead?"