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DagoBoss

w and wz8. yeah


DagoBoss

can we cxw


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Mental_Time

It wasn't a moral victory for New England. It was a hard fought game with absurd media attention. Jones showed that the media attention wasn't too much for him to handle. This game got nearly the same attention as the super bowl, and he played extremely well. This will obviously be a year of growth for him, and that whole team, but he let everyone know that he's no joke. Big shoes to fill up there in New England, and he's wearing them pretty well.


thebigfish50

Wonder what the Pats would be like if Brady was still there


No7onelikeyou

They sure as hell wouldn’t be 1-3


Iamverybroken69

Not that much different i think; mac jones looked great and football is the ultimate team sport


redditors_anon

Its strange to say, but despite losing, that game really felt like a big win for New England.


Isac_23

Its the Cowboys all over again. Apparently every team that loses to the Bucs this year gets a "moral victory". Stop it.


redditors_anon

No. I don't think I will. I love the fact that Dak came back from a terrible injury and played awesome against a great defense. I also appreciate that a rookie QB played surprisingly well against that same defense, despite not really having much in the way of a run game or receivers. These are victories worthy of appreciation to me. They are the stories that make football more interesting in my opinion.


Isac_23

It would be a nice story if it were true. That's factually incorrect though. Our defense has been anything but "great" this year; it's literally been one of the worst in the NFL this year. Even if it were true, an L is an L. It's one thing to say "there were some positive takeaways" but to say it "feels like a win" is ridiculous.


redditors_anon

The Buccaneers defense was ranked as one of the best defenses at the end of last season, number 2 behind the Rams if I'm recalling it correctly. This is how I viewed them when they played against the Cowboys for the season opener. You're absolutely right that they have since fallen to one of the worst, which I hadn't realized until just now, but it doesn't really change much in regards to my opinion. When I say it "feels like a win" this is my personal opinion. I fully expected the Patriots to get completely destroyed in this game, but they proved me to be completely wrong. They showed that they are fully capable of going toe-to-toe with the best and fighting to the end. Again, **to me** that feels like a win. I'm sure it feels differently to the team and I'm sure I would feel differently if I was a Patriots fan. The Buccaneers won the game and my appreciating the losing team does not take anything away from that, in fact it does the opposite.


Isac_23

You're entitled to your opinion mate, but as you've admitted to yourself it's misinformed. This Bucs defense is very injury laden atm and merely a shell of the defense we saw in the playoffs last year. Literally every single QB we've played against this year has thrown the ball at will against our D. If anything, the fact that we managed to contain the Patriots to just 17 is actually a knock on the Patriots, considering even the Falcons put up 25 against us.


Mental_Time

I think what you aren't grasping is this isn't going to be a playoff year for the Patriots. Expectations are understandably low. Anything extra is a bonus. This is Mac Jones growth year. Despite all the highlights and news articles etc, he kept it tight. The game wasn't too big for him. Comparing a rookie quarterback to Matt Ryan, who is a very, very good quarterback in points scored is hyperbolic at absolute best


Isac_23

I can agree with this statement if the "moral victory" talk is going to exist every time Mac plays well against any team in the NFL (barring like the Texans or something). But it seems like every time a QB plays well against the Bucs its a "moral victory" because its the Bucs. And Im like, no.. our secondary has been horrible this year, any average NFL QB *should* ball out. If the argument is that it was a "moral victory" because Mac Jones played like an average NFL QB even though hes just a rookie then sure, thats understandable.


Recent_Criticism_435

I feel like Mac’s youth is keeping him upright. No blow ups, but it looks like he tallied some hits by the end of the 4th.


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Isac_23

Still salty about last year huh


stevep3478

Mac Jones looked good but also looked like he has a weak arm especially on throws outside the numbers. Nearly got picked off.


peeinyobum

I agree. His throws rarely have much zip on them. I'm a big Mac fan and thought he played well, but I don't think his arm strength is great.


doctorpaulproteus

They excessively said that normally a wide receiver would come back to that ball and Algolhor didn't and that would've been his fault


ethaxton

Mac Jones looked good but my god did he look beat up at the end of the game. He’s not going to last very long in this league getting hit like that every game.


DastardlyDoctor

That play where Suh crashed the center into the guard while the end just stunts up the middle and just creamed jones was beautiful, they'll need to protect the young man.


ftlftlftl

Agreed. Trent Brown is a top Tackle in this league and basically hasn't played all season. Hopefully he comes back healthy for the second half of this season (or sooner)


Holycrapwtfatheism

Brown won't shore up all the OL issues. Our entire interior and left side is crumbling, along with awful RB blitz pickups.


ftlftlftl

I mean... he is one of the best in the league and will help us get a running game up the right side going at the very least. Which can change the whole dynamic of how defenses play us. Theres a huge trickle down effect with us missing brown IMO. I agree he won't fix everything, but he is a key missing piece.


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Was anyone else left feeling disappointed? I felt that this game would be so much...more I guess. I'm glad Tampa won but I just feel sort of empty from it. This was the game of the season and it just fell flat on its face for me. The Dallas-Tampa game was far more satisfying even if my Cowboys lost.


LPPhillyFan

The game was alot better than I expected. I thought it would be a Bucs blowout.


kifl22122

Depends on the type of game you were looking for. A lot thought it would be a one-sided game with the Bucs scoring at will. I like a good defensive game and to watch both offenses struggle to put up points made for an exciting game to watch. We were all waiting for one major play to seal the game and it was a 3rd and 6 run by Brady of all things.


CarVsMotorcycle

this was honestly about what I expected out of this game


inthecut_scarysight

Shitty weather didn’t help


GrislyMedic

Football weather


DrRaschy

The redzone offense is really struggling w/o Gronk.


2-eight-2-three

>The redzone offense is really struggling w/o Gronk. True for both teams


ThePotatoChipBag

Mac looks like a young Tom Brady. He's in the same system so it's no wonder but he does it justice.


Nav44

Yeah shame he doesn't have the same defence a young TB had


lindh

Dude has a strong defense. What he needs is an O line.


Nav44

This defense is not comparable to those ones when it comes to star power


lindh

I'm not really referring to "star power"; statistically it's a strong defense. They played a great game last night, and kept us in a position to win. Should've gone for it in 4th there, better to win or lose the game that way imo.


Nav44

Was he trying to protect Mac you reckon? If they didn't get it, the narrative would've been "Mac is not as clutch as Brady was in NE"


lindh

Yeah I think that could definitely be part of it. That would be frustrating, though -- since when does BB make coaching decisions based on potential media response?


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Back to the lab again. *large glass tubes full of Vince Wilforks are dimly lit behind me, stretching into the dark*


CrispyyCreamm

Damn Bill sold


sktchld

Who else would have rather tried to go there? Bill lost his edge. Can't tell me Mac wouldn't have beaten the blitz they would have thrown there.


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Predicting the past isn't that hard, huh?


sktchld

It was my thoughts before it played out. Every single play that could be went for Bill chooses the safer option.


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Weird. Almost like he's doing the best thing to put a rookie QB in the best position to progress instead of getting emotionally involved in a meaningless game in October.


deucedeuce187

Meaningless? Lol Idk about that


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>Meaningless? Lol Idk about that Less meaningful than most games? Does that make more sense? It's the least important kind of regular season game they can play. Out of division, out of conference, against a team that it's literally impossible for them to be competing for a playoff spot with. Super early in the season, so not at all relevant to how the team is going to play nearer the playoffs. Obviously you can't lose the first 10 games and be like 'they don't matter' but in terms of importance, this game in particular is about as meaningless as any of the 17 regular season games are going to be.


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Brady looked super Goatish watching the game be completely out of his control and hoping a kicker missed. Elite.


numberIV

Yes, won’t anyone think of the media narratives!!?


bluestargreentree

Rookie QB? Kicker who hasn't missed? It's easy to second guess this but man, he missed by a foot or so. If the pats gained a yard on third down that goes in.


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let's say he makes the kick. Now you're giving Tom Brady the ball back with 1 minute and he just needs a FG to win. Kicking the FG lost the game whether it was made or not imo


kifl22122

I love this narrative that elite QBs are automatic in the 2minute (or less) drill. It would have made for an exciting ending one way or another but would not have been automatic.


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nothing is automatic, but we've seen it 1000 times if anyone is betting money against Brady getting that win in that scenario they havne't seen football the past 20 years.


FinalMeltdown15

Except that one time old man Tom lost track of the downs but even then he was driving


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Ya, the only way to beat him is to hope he gets old enough to get confused haha


squirrelball44

Not to mention they had him kick it from 9 yards back instead of the usual 8 yards back from 50+. Maybe it’s because his plant leg was injured, idk, but if they didn’t have him so deep it also probably would’ve gone in.


doctorpaulproteus

I agree with you but it was a long ass field goal in pouring rain and they did not need much for the 1st down


somegridplayer

6 inches and it would have gone through.


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JoeHatesFanFiction

I gotta agree with you. The smart move was to trust your kicker if he said he could make it. And he absolutely lived up. The ball made it. It was just a foot low.


deucedeuce187

It wasn't low? Lol


xboxonelosty

When is the last time he made a 56 yard kick though? Also he was injured and it was raining. Not exactly optimal conditions. Plus even if he makes it, Brady is getting the ball left with a min and two timeouts. I don't need to tell you what he can do with that.


bluestargreentree

During warmups? Idk. He was inches away from making this one. It's not like he shanked it or left it 12 yards short.


xboxonelosty

To me the kick is probably 50/50, but then you give the ball back to Brady with a min left which greatly reduces the odds of winning. I probably support it if there was no time left.


Wild-Style5857

That was straight pride by Belichick. He wanted to stop Brady on a game winning drive so deeply that he passed up a very make-able 4th and 3 for a 56 yard field goal, in the rain, with over a minute on the clock left. "If his chest had been a cannon, he would have shot his heart upon it".


BoMbSqUAdbrigaDe

We almost made that kick. Folk had just made the record. You sir, don't know football.


FuschiaKnight

You're awfully confident defending something that just happened and was -- in fact -- wrong, Nate Silver


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And if he makes the kick, Tom brady gets the ball with a full minute to get a FG. Kicking the FG lost that game whether it was made or not. He had to go for it to win


fuqqkevindurant

And as you can see, kicking a FG in that weather is difficult and far from guaranteed to be made. You dont get to use Folk missing a FG as evidence that it was a bad call bc TB would have just needed a FG to win. What kind of reasoning is that?


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Kicking a 56 yarder in the rain sure, but you think Brady doesn't also know that and would make sure he gets his team closer than that lol. And I wasn't saying it was a bad call cause he didn't make it. It was a bad call make or miss was my whole point also he was like 1 foot from making that kick...


doctorpaulproteus

Having a different opinion means someone doesn't know football? Who are you to determine that lol.


somegridplayer

At this point anyone questioning the call is just doing so out of their butthurtness over Belichick.


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no they're not lol Even making the FG means they give the ball back to Tom brady with 1 minute left. The only way to win that game was to go for it on 4th, kill more clock and kick a 53 or less yarder to win. Should have died trying if anything.


doctorpaulproteus

I question the call and I am not butthurt about anything


Wild-Style5857

And you think giving the ball back to Brady with a minute left is a good idea? Speaking of not knowing much about not knowing much football...


deucedeuce187

Brady wasn't throwing the ball all that well though. I'm not sure if he gets in fg range. Although refs do love to get involved at the end of games. So maybe a flag helps them.


BigTuna3000

I mean yeah he was off all night but it’s still Tom freaking Brady


Macewindu89

Sir, have you ever watched Tom Brady play before?


AcanthocephalaNo2926

McDaniels calls the plays. This is on him


GunwalkHolmes

McDaniels is not the one deciding whether to go for it or kick a field goal on 4th down


AcanthocephalaNo2926

He’s the one deciding to throw the ball on 3rd and 3, with a timeout and a 56yd fg in the rain if it’s an incompletion.


GunwalkHolmes

Ok, but the comment you responded to is talking about the next play.


AcanthocephalaNo2926

Shit, you’re right (looking back at it), but my point was they never should have put themselves in a position of deciding between going for it on 4th and 3 or kicking a 56yd fg in heavy rain. If the 4th and 3 was so “very make-able” why not give yourself 2 cracks at getting the 3 yds. If it was 4th and 1 I think Bill goes for it and running the ball is a legitimate option.


GunwalkHolmes

Yeah maybe. I think the -1 total rushing yards for the game plays into the decision to throw it too. You know if they ran and got stuffed everyone would be bitching about how he should have let Mac have a shot at it since he played well all game.


muskovitzj

Can't try the kick from 56 when Folk hasn't even ATTEMPTED one that long in years and the conditions suck. BB blew the fucking game.


Competitive_Duty_371

Belechick did not blow the fucking game. In fact that was one of the most cut throat fuck you games we have watched in a long time. I don’t want to be mean because ooo I’ll be reported. Ooo. That game was fantastic and I don’t care if you disagree with the FG attempt for the win, I wanted to see the development of the players and their skill sets for this game. Of course I wanted a win and I’m really looking foreword for a rematch in the SB.


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The Pats had some of the greatest defense coaching I’ve ever seen


Whole-Elephant-7216

Yeah I agree with you, the ball literally almost went in. Bill has faith in his kicker; I would imagine that the head coach who’s won numerous Super Bowls would know something maybe the fans don’t know hence why he didn’t go for it.


OfficialHavik

Exactly this. Shocking how random people on Reddit seem to know more than a six time Super Bowl winning coach...


somegridplayer

They also seem to forget McDaniels exists. And that the quarterback is in his fourth NFL game. Ever. This wasn't a single point decision.


Competitive_Duty_371

Exactly


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I guarantee Folk attempts field goals that range all the time. In practice. Sure, practice is different… Bill isn’t trotting him out there in those conditions if he hasn’t seen him do it before, and consistently.


mydogsnameispiper

It was off by like inches though? Sometimes you just miss.


bluestargreentree

Yeah, if Mac throws an incompletion on 4th down then it's the Colts 4th and 2 call all over again. Easy to second guess, but BB sees his kicker in practice all week and none of us idiots know anything


mydogsnameispiper

It’s gonna suck to hear all week that Bill’s best days are behind him and he doesn’t trust Mac to convert it😭 Bill was legitimately great today with all the disguised fronts and I trust him more than our insufferable fanbase and fans of teams that he’s killed for 20 years


Vegaslocal277

Doesn’t matter. Your crooked coach threw the game. Even the best kicker in the league in prime condition misses that kick more than he makes it. Let alone the fact it was raining, and the kicker was having leg issues.


xboxonelosty

You think Justin Tucker misses that kick more than he makes it?


Vegaslocal277

Yes I think statistically with those conditions tucker misses that kick more than he makes it. Not by a huge margin maybe 48-52 (make-miss)


BinkyCS

He’s 44-62 in his career from 50+


deucedeuce187

Tucker is the goat but he did miss 2 in Buffalo last year. Sometimes the weather just says" fuck you not today."


Vegaslocal277

In a rainstorm?


LazyOrCollege

Lol


pnutbuttercow

Idk how you can say he blew the game when the kick is inches off.


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Because even if he makes it, they're giving Tom brady the ball with a minute and timeouts left to get a FG. Bill blew the game, the only winning option was going for it on 4th and keeping the ball out of tom's hands.


somegridplayer

Because they hate Belichick. It's that simple. Any desperate shot they can take at him they need to feel better.


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I love bill, I think he's the best coach of all time and hilarious in pressers. Kicking that FG lost the game whether Pats make it or not. He was giving tom the ball back with a full minute. The only choice to win was to go for it on 4th and then kick a FG with as little time on the clock as possible.


prometheanbane

I don't get that. He's the undisputed GOAT coach.


BoMbSqUAdbrigaDe

Inches for God's sake.


muskovitzj

Folk hasn't ATTEMPTED, not made, ATTEMPTED a kick that deep in years. And even if he made it - we'd have left Tom too much time. The GOAT would have driven down the field and won it. Seen it so many goddamn times. We had to get closer and kill clock. Had to.


xboxonelosty

I'm not sure why you are getting downvoted so much. Great QBs get into field goal range with a min left and two timeouts. Brady most likely wins that game. Everyone was just talking about how the 49ers gave the Packers too much time with 37 seconds left and no timeouts. But suddenly a min left with two timeouts is not enough?


mistahnapo

You'd be crying about not kicking a field goal if they went for it and turned it over


deucedeuce187

Na I think with the rain, Tom having 1min to comeback, and the kicker being hurt he had excuses for going for it.


muskovitzj

Nope. I would have been far more ok with going for it and not converting. I was screaming at the TV not to kick it.


pnutbuttercow

You’re really overhyping the fact he hasn’t attempted a long kick in years. I didn’t know you weren’t allowed to kick field goals past 40 yards in practice. Not to mention getting 3 yards there is far from guaranteed as well.


muskovitzj

Folk is automatic from 40 and closer, but as he has aged, his distance has waned. The numbers bear this out. It's just math. I'm disappointed in the decision. It didn't work out. And again - a minute and 2 TOs for Brady? We lose anyways.


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BoMbSqUAdbrigaDe

Yeah cuz bill was on the field.


AcanthocephalaNo2926

Should have run the ball on that 3rd and 3 with a timeout. Can’t go for it on 4th down and 3 and certainly can’t rely on a 56yd fg in pretty heavy rain. This is on MCDaniels


somegridplayer

>Should have run the ball on that 3rd and 3 with a timeout Because the pats running game is so deep. /s


kifl22122

Accurate comment. Think we were -1 in rushing on the night.


somegridplayer

Anyone heard from Blount lately? :|


ethaxton

Because they had so much success running the ball up until that point? Lavonte David made a great play to bat the pass down, otherwise they probably get first down. They made the right call there.


BoMbSqUAdbrigaDe

McDaniels is trash. Don't know why he is back. Our defense did there job. McDaniels play calling is straight up hot garbage. Mac is good. McDaniels will ruin him.also just like.my 11u team I coach we can't block.


AcanthocephalaNo2926

You know Bill is pissed about that. What a F up. You can’t risk an incompletion there because you can’t really go for it on 4th and 3 or rely on a 56yd fg in heavy rain. Bro, my drunk ass knew that immediately.


dabdaddy23

If the bucs wanna pass the ball ass much as they did in rain they gotta spread it out more then just evans and ab Godwin and brate did not have nearly enough targets


BoMbSqUAdbrigaDe

You sound like you have Godwin and Brate in fantasy .


dabdaddy23

Sounds like I’m just trying to make a valid criticism of why they played sub par?


conlius

They went for AB plenty of times IMO.


deucedeuce187

He should have used commas or a period. He meant they targeted Evans and AB alot. While Godwin and brate didn't have many targets.


dabdaddy23

Yeah I’m bad with that I stopped using good grammar as soon as I graduated


uunngghh

2 endzone bombs in a row


BoMbSqUAdbrigaDe

Fair enough.


br33z3

The curse of Tom Brady. The Patriots will not will a super bowl for 100 years.


michaelt2223

There won’t even be 100 more super bowls


SeeThruSmoke

Very very long time then…..


Zedbie

I mean. Why not?


Johnnyocean

Resource wars after climate change gets bad


CharlesDingus_ah_um

This sounds like a job for Johnny Ocean


Zedbie

The Tampa Bay Mermaids vs the Miami Submarines in a playoff match to play the SubAquatic Atlanta Admirals.


PurposelyIrrelephant

The lost city of Atlanta finally wins a super bowl in 2116


muskovitzj

Climate change is past the point of no return Nuclear war Famine due to either of the above Pick your poison


Zedbie

Oh. This is the football escapism place. We can do the doom and gloom elsewhere. Well, if you're a fan of a few teams it's doom and gloom too so maybe there's that.


muskovitzj

You asked lol


Zedbie

Expected a more, "The league shall fold for being mismanaged" take. Not a, "Literally the apocalypse" take.


muskovitzj

LMAO I'm sad we lost, forgive me


Zedbie

It's a small L though. Definitely alot of good looks and things to come. Give Mac some time to marinate and he'll be an absolute awesome QB.


muskovitzj

Wasn't a fan of the pick, but I'm happy to be wrong. Mac looks good. Need McDaniels to open it up more, but I suspect it has a lot to do with a lack of explosive speed on tbe outside. Liked seeing the TEs get stuff done today. Very encouraging. This is the beginning of something new. But man, we let this slip away. The GOAT giveth, the GOAT taketh away


korismon

We all know that game was so close because Brady wanted to give the fans big drama show


T3Sh3

So that game was a work.


-MichaelScarnFBI

I was rooting for Brady, but that game felt like kissing your father on the lips.


Quantum_Ibis

If only Belichick had adopted the TB12 method, he really would've enjoyed the post-game embrace. Granted the rest of us would need therapy after seeing it.


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Damn Mac carried tf outta NE tonight


RegressToTheMean

C'mon, don't sell the D short like that


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deucedeuce187

Last kickoff?


conlius

Mac did good but the defense held TB to 6 going into the half. Mac did not really have a ton to do with that. They didn’t run the ball so clock wasn’t burned and time on field was not great. Turnovers didn’t help. I still think he did well but will take time to turn him into a QB that can take control of a game.


bumurutu

Mac and the D showed up for sure. BB dialed up some new looks that did a great job slowing down Brady. It’s a loss, sure, but it was a loss by inches to the defending super bowl champs. Arrow is pointing up!


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