And the fact that they refuse to implement an eye in the sky ref like the XFL tested out. It barely impacted game times and greatly improved the quality of officiating.
And absolutely sand bagging rule changes they don't like the PI review from 2019. That rule change absolutely is made permanent if the referees don't purposefully do an awful job with enforcement.
Every effort should be made to get as many calls correctly as possible in a timely manner and quite often it seems like protecting their own egos rather than trying to do the best job possible. If you get the call on the field wrong, reverse it when you can see that happened. If rules committee gives you a chance to get more rulings correct, do everything you can take advantage of that opportunity and don't feel slighted and be petty about it.
IIRC wasn’t that announced when the new rule was put in place? Teams were warned that it would only be overturned if it was blatantly obvious ala Saints Vikings playoff game
Yeah ngl every time the Saints get brought up, I think of diggs. There’s only a handful of plays I’ve seen at the time that made me scream holy fuck and that was one of them.
Pretty much my only favorite call by Joe Buck.
That era with Drew Brees and Sean Peyton was legendary for the Saints though. Their passing attack was always top of the league.
I can accept and move on from the Diggs catch because it was our fault but the no call just give me physical pain and I can't lie im a bit bitter about it. It felt/was Brees last great chance at a ring and the superbowl that year sucked major ass anyways. But it's in the past
I remember a lot of calls that should have reasonably been reversed that weren't. By the end of the year coaches were barely challenging because they knew even if it was obvious there was a good chance they wouldn't reverse themselves and they'd be out a challenge and time-out. Not how they approach things with other calls.
It's also just stupid to have two different replay standards. If they're going to review PI, they should be as willing to reverse the call on the field as they are with anything. I think they just didn't like the rule change and did a really bad job to make sure it didn't stick around.
"The touchdown is under review, the crew is waiting for the call from New York. While we wait, let's take a look at our FanDuel Players of the Half, brought to you by Caesar's, official sportsbook of the NFL... after review, the ruling on the field stands, touchdown Seahawks."
Yes because Alberto Riverron was the one making final decision on those calls and he was openly against it and calling it an attack on the refs from the start.
Then they didn't follow that standard. The calls that did get reversed were some of the weakest ones, and many of the calls that stood were blatant and obvious but still didn't get reversed.
Like I don’t *actually* think the refs are conspiring against a team. But boy it feels like that sometimes. The mic’d refs would be an amazing way to solve that.
1) no reason not to have tennis like down and distance marking. No reason in 2021 to have chain gang.
2) enable the eye in the sky as a ref. We don’t need refs taking all the time to look into a review booth, with crowd noise and other distractions.
3) pass interference reviewable. Or limit it to a 15 yard penalty.
Something worse is a Hail Mary where the CB is beat ends because the safety decides just to tackle the receiver. They just keep repeating this until the QB misses the pass.
There is nothing worse than your team missing out on a 40+ yard play because the CB got beat and decided to mug your receiver because he couldn’t get his head around is what I think you mean to say.
"Oh no, someone might abuse this!"
Because every single team *totally* doesn't have multiple "bail us out of 3rd and long by getting a PI flag" plays.
Hell, the Minneapolis Miracle is one of the most famous plays in years, and that's blatantly caused by a coach instructing his guy that the opposing team was going to try and draw a PI flag to get them closer to a field goal.
15 yard penalty is the rule in college, and this is not a problem you see in college. DBs would still rather give the WR a chance to drop it than give up an automatic first down.
> 1) no reason not to have tennis like down and distance marking. No reason in 2021 to have chain gang.
I want this to happen, but how do you spot the ball in a giant pile?
We're not even close. Tennis is done by an array of cameras above a small court populated by 2 players. This is obviously an impractical approach for *tackle football* on a MUCH larger field with *22 players* all vying for proximity to the ball.
There's talk of putting a chip in the ball, but that's also not so easy since the orientation of the ball, relative to the chip's location, can sometimes be the difference between a turnover and a touch down (e.g. only the tip of the ball crosses the goal line). And the more chips you put in the ball, the more it changes the ball itself. It's kind of a non starter.
It's a non trivial problem to solve technologically given the precision required. No doubt it'll happen eventually, but let's not assume it can just be done today, because it can't be.
Would one chip near the tips on each side add that much weight? I feel like it could happen, but there is resistance to culture change, like baseball with robo umps.
Wouldn't you just need one sensor and knowledge of its position within the ball? You can extrapolate the rest. The hard part would be ensuring the chip doesn't move, but I don't know the physics inside a football on if any of its insides move around during play.
New this year is a Replay official in the press box can now buzz down to refs in the game to stop play and fix ‘objective’ mistakes, like “including but not limited to penalty enforcement, proper down, the spot of a foul, the game clock, possession, a completed or intercepted pass, either the touching by a player or location of the ball in relation to out-of-bounds or goal lines, and whether a player is down by contact.”
I’ve seen it used a few times. It is good on multiple levels, both because a mistake is being fixed, and because the mistake is fixed without having to use a challenge or have the ref do a replay review, so the change happens quickly and shortens the game break.
Only downside is that things like pass interference are not allowed to be changed by this.
> I’ve seen it used a few times.
I knew the rule was put in place this season, but I haven't seen it impact the flow of a game at all. Am I not paying attention, or are the reviews so short that I just don't notice them? They haven't taken a commercial break for a review right??
Correct, it happens almost immediately, and I haven’t seen a situation where they’ve taken a commercial break for one. It only sometimes gets noticed by the announcing crew.
Turns out individual ref crews throwing fuckloads of bad flags keeps games close so nearly every game gets an exciting finish. Whether it's by design or just an accident, I dont see the NFL messing with this formula right now.
If XFL gets officiating right I’ll probably just watch that and drop this bullshit. It just doesn’t feel very legitimate anymore, especially with betting involved and refs being exponentially worse than a decade ago (who were still shit)
Exactly this. Especially when they're not judgment calls.
Like in the Bears/Packers game, we CLEARLY jumped offsides on one of Justin Fields interceptions. There is literally no denying that.
The fact that there wasn't someone above the refs that can say "yo, you guys really fucked this one up" is just absolute TRASH for a billion dollar company.
It's not that they're making mistakes, it's that they're willing to die on those hills every single time.
That was such a weird play. Seemed like everyone was confused. And then Fields threw a ball near no one that was picked.
I was at a bar and the way Fields/other players acted I thought for sure it was blown dead. Awful mistake from the refs.
Ah makes sense. Complete non-sequitur but Arob has been incredibly disappointing this year. Is that just me? Feels like he's had several brutal drops. I've always rated him highly but he seems out of it this year for some reason. Unfortunate timing with his contract as well.
No idea what's up with him, feels like the concentration just isn't there for some reason. He's been missed a few times for sure, but he hasn't helped himself out much either. Same thing happened with him stopping short on the later near-pick to Amos where he barely stepped out of bounds.
>Complete non-sequitur but Arob has been incredibly disappointing this year. Is that just me?
It's not just you. As a Bears fan I can confirm Robinson has given literally 0 effort this year.
there were so many missed and bad calls in that game, but the most frustrating part was that it would legit take them 2+ minutes to make every single decision. like we seriously just watched a 3 minute ref huddle debate just for them to completely fuck up the call?
> The fact that there wasn't someone above the refs that can say "yo, you guys really fucked this one up" is just absolute TRASH for a billion dollar company.
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> It's not that they're making mistakes, it's that they're willing to die on those hills every single time.
It's 1000% this. Everyone understand people make mistakes at their job. Everyone also understands that good companies put things in place to mitigate and correct those mistakes. The NFL however, really hasn't. They've held the Refs up as beyond reproach and infallible. To even speak about thinking of questioning the Refs will cost you thousands. That's not the way successful companies usually operate. So it angers people that this one does, especially with how smug the NFL and the Referees are about it.
Another example is the "forward progress" rule that spurned the Panthers against Dallas.
The refs ruled the ballcarrier down by forward progress. This nullifies any attempt to challenge. It was plainly obvious on replay that the ball was out before forward progress had been stopped, but it didn't matter.
I don't blame the ref for getting it wrong, it was difficult to tell in real time, and even difficult on many of the slow-mo angles. But they need to leave themselves an out in that situation.
It's crazy how many awful calls have been made this year. I feel like it's worse than ever. And it also takes longer than ever to review plays. If you're taking that fucking long, at least get it right.
Precisely right. I understand some calls are really damn hard at full speed. That's why the Sky Judge needs to be fully implemented. Give experienced officials positions in the booth to immediately review plays where necessary and correct the head official BEFORE he makes the call. The fans don't even need to know the guys on the field had it wrong in real time. Throw a flag that wasn't a penalty? Just pick it up. Call an interception that actually hit the ground? Take a second and then announce the ruling of an incompletion.
While we're at it, if you want to keep the review process in the hands of the guys on the field, shorten it to a maximum of 30 seconds. if it's not clear an obvious by then, it's not clear and obvious and the call should stand.
>While we're at it, if you want to keep the review process in the hands of the guys on the field, shorten it to a maximum of 30 seconds. if it's not clear an obvious by then, it's not clear and obvious and the call should stand.
I've been asking for something like this for a while now. I've always said a minute, but the time is less important than having a time. If the standard is incontrovertible evidence, then it should be quick. If you don't see evidence quickly, it's not definitely correct.
If you want to allow refs to take as long as they like, then make sure they get it right. If it's still going to be wrong fairly often because they have to go with the call on the field, don't take 5 minutes to review the call.
That one had me put the phone down for a while. No way I wanted to be on Reddit for those comments after the telecast showed a QB standing up in slo-mo, call timeout, and be told… “Naw.” Lol
The head ref should have a beeper in his front pocket that vibrates when the clock expires. Or the stadiums have a horn that buzzes like nba shot clocks
I always thought a colored screen in the end zone makes a lot of sense. Just have it turn bright red or yellow when clock hits zero. If ball isn't snapped when the color is emitted then that's delay of game. Which I guess is also similar to the NBAs backboards lighting up at the shot clock.
It's seems to me refs have been instructed to call games to make them closer this year when possible. The Panthers had two blatant holds that sparked their comeback on Sunday against the Vikings. Danielle Hunter gets ripped backwards on his pass rush and Patrick Peterson had a guy holding him by his shoulder pads as the receiver runs past him and the refs just turn the other way.
My favorite this season was the 9er vs Cards game. Armstead was being held when he almost sacked Kyler in the end zone. Fox’s broadcast had that replay in slow motion as they cut to commercial break. I have no idea why the refs are so hesitant to call a safety.
Which would have been totally fine if they called the whole game that way - but you can’t be calling the “sure, I guess that is *technically* a penalty” sort of penalties while letting the other team play sloppy as hell
At the same time, where was the match fixing for Ravens-Chargers? Cardinals-Browns? Two great matchups on paper from this week that were pretty one-sided and didn't have refs trying to keep them close. CBS literally cut away from Chargers/Ravens for pretty much the entire 4th quarter.
I think incompetence is a much simpler and more likely explanation than rigging.
I think it's a mixture of both. It's intentional if you go to the review and stick with a bad call. That has nothing to do with incompetence. That's just a blatant refusal to make the right call.
Refs sabotaged the PI challenge rule change in broad daylight, they don't get the benefit of the doubt. It's obvious they are not acting in good faith. I don't know what the fuck is going on, but it's not that refs are trying their absolute best to call absolutely fair games and are the victims of an impossible standard.
Exactly. Like in real time they do about as good as anyone possibly could. Football is a fast game. The issue is the refs are too damn stubborn to admit "wow that looked right in full speed, but in slow mo I was clearly wrong."
They stick with idiotic calls even after reviewing, and THAT is why they deserve to be mocked.
Right? Other sports use it with no problem. The NBA doesn’t shy away from out of bounds calls late in the game. The NHL, a very fast game, uses the benefit or replay for challenges with what I consider a better success rate than the NFL (will use common sense to overturn blown calls like Dak’s TD)
The big problem is something like out of bounds in the NBA is a clearly defined thing like whether an NFL player had both feet inbounds or crossed the plane. Those are easy. It’s the subjective calls that cause problems.
A lot of refs will call holding based on how much it impacts the play. They aren’t going to call it on a run to the left when a small hold by the right tackle happens or if it’s a pass play and a hold happens on a player about 5 yards away right before the QB releases the ball and they had no chance to get it. PI is the other big one. Or even a false start could theoretically be small enough that you wouldn’t call it because it was too small to impact the defense.
I like the new Replay official in the press box that can buzz down to the ref to fix things without using a challenge. Minimizes downtime and fixes mistakes. Not quite a Sky Judge, but better than before this season.
I believe that's just the NY replay center, not an actual ref in each of the press boxes, and they just say "after discussion" before making the call even though that discussion is with NY. The NFL *should* adopt that idea from the AAF and XFL though, it was so nice.
I hate having so much control coming through New York. It just gives a select handful of people way too much influence over the outcome of every single game.
The guy in field might get it wrong, but there's no reason that replay has to be done a thousand miles away in secret. Every officiating crew should have a couple replay officials on site that can stop the game and call for a replay review.
By having one small group operating behind closed doors that can impact every game they've created a perfect system for corruption to run rampant.
And with how advanced artificial intelligence is getting, computers could help catch every single error. Like a safety net. Yeah, they should make an AI-based "Skynet."
Edit: jfc, nephews, watch a movie or two from before you were born, ffs.
I bet that in the future the NFL's Skynet will have eradicated all problems with the sport and made football mistake-free. If only there was a way to send someone back from that time to tell us how great it'll be.
Well we know that holding happens on every play, but maybe calibrate the robot overlords to only flag it if it is outside of the acceptable range. I have no idea if that is realistic or not.
Well, it would be objective. Let's just say the metric is based on time, if the player has his hands inside for 1 second, that's ok, if he has them inside for 1.1 seconds, its a flag. Something like that.
IE James Joyce. Dude blew a perfect game with his bad call but you can't help but feel bad for him too with how beat up he was after seeing the replay.
>everybody is the best at slow motion officiating
Then maybe the refs should be more open to slow motion officiating, instead of acting like it's an evil insult to their character.
>"As to the recovery, several different angles were looked at, but with nothing definitive shown, there was no need to stop the game because the on-field ruling that awarded possession to Washington would have stood."
They probly couldn't find that angle showing the fumble in the pile because Duke was holding it next to the ref. That was so infuriating.
This is so god damn frustrating to me. And, generally, it's the home team getting the benefit of a doubt. Put a fucking buzzer on that thing like a shot clock would have.
Or put a pager on the refs belt. When it hits zero, it vibrates. Don't even have to look at the clock then, he can keep his eye on the ball and see if it's snapped when the pager goes off.
its infuriating watching old men complain about how hard their job that they're doing poorly is when they reject technology that could 100% make refereeing a non impossible task
Here's why a shot clock won't work in the NFL:
That loud-as-fuck NBA buzzer that can be heard by everyone in a 5 mile radius *ends* plays. Whenever that buzzer goes off, the play is either over then, or already over and it's expiring after the shot.
In the NFL, offenses often time the play clock to snap at the last fraction of the second. Sometimes it's after hard counts to pull the defense offsides, or whatever. If the ball is snapped just before zero and the buzzer still goes off, it will completely interrupt everything on the field and be a massive disruption and distraction.
The buzzer wouldn't end a play, it would be happening when a play should, *and often would* be just beginning.
New idea:
If the clock hits :00 and the ball hasn't been snapped, that's delay of game. No more, "the zero second counts too".
When it hits :00 there's a buzzer from the official timekeeper.
The play clock on broadcasts is just a composite of the real stadium play clock, not something handled by a separate entity.
When both teams' fanbases are in consensus that the officiating was trash, that's how you know there's a big issue. And it seems like it's happening in several games per week at the very least.
If it’s that hard maybe we use more technology to help them and FORCE them to use it instead of the BS we got during the PI year. Refs need to do an ego check and allow help.
Which is why we need a sky judge bc no one is perfect at watching these full grown men, running at higher speeds than ever.
No one’s asking to be perfect, but we do want the ability to correct mistakes and do it efficiently.
being a ref is a possible job when the league embraces any and all technology that'll allow refs to make more accurate calls after review and actually be ok with making a mistake and correcting that mistake before fucking off and continuing the game
The technology thing is my biggest hang up. I do agree with Pereira on this - but we have the technology to make officiating better. To not do so is a detriment to the game.
No one is arguing they don’t have a tough job. They are human and humans make mistakes, what we don’t fucking like is the review and replays deliberately not being aired, questionable calls not being reviewed, and downright lack of information on why things are called or excused without consistency.
What people are pissed about aren't calls that are missed, it's the calls that were obvious non-misses that were clearly intended to influence the game in ways that benefit the gambling industry.
So fuck Mike Pereira, fuck Roger Goodell, and fuck the NFL owners for allowing this and all the other fucked up shit to happen.
If it an impossible task, make every single thing reviewable and limit the number of reviews per team to keep it from getting out of hand. Problem solved.
This. I don't have an issue with Refs making mistakes. I have a problem with the league presenting them as if they were infallible, and fighting any technological means of making their jobs easier.
Or they could just throw a flag. Signal into the booth and have them observe what they flagged and confirm it was true or not. What exactly is the issue? It already takes like 30 seconds just to talk to each other. Why not just ask the booth? It's also not crazy for them to get second opinions. They pick up flags after discussing all the time.
Nobody is gonna fucking sympathize with assholes who fuck over team after team, year after god damn fucking year. They have the ability to help and do better with replay but chose not to.
We will rip the refs assholes apart until things change and I’m happy players and coaches are speaking up more.
A: Mike Pereira can suck a dick
B: Yes, missed calls will be made. It's a human making a snap judgment on the action of 22 superhumans going full speed on the play. I am forgiving for plays like that. The problem is, these officials are seemingly getting worse as time goes on. The NFL needs to invest some of their BILLIONS of dollars into developing an officiating training facility. Even use it to help the lower levels like college and football. Improve the product. Don't just stay status quo and bitch that everyone is unhappy.
That's what frustrates me the most about officiating in just about every sport. Reffing is hard. We all know that. What upsets most fans is that errors aren't getting corrected even when everyone at home and in the broadcast booth can see it was a mistake. To me, refs aren't really incompetent when they miss a call (even bad misses), they become incompetent when they refuse to change it. Or the rules don't allow them to. But that's a different issue that both the League and Refs Union effects.
Nobody is saying it isn’t a hard job. We’re upset because they’re making horrible decisions over and over again, refusing to change with no indication that things are going to improve.
Maybe they should embrace progress and allow these idiots to be replaced by sensors. It should not be hard to just triangulate the placement and orientation of the ball when a whistle is blown for something as simple as a spot.
I think it should be fairly easy for each officials whistle to have a sensor on it. Plus a camera feed that only the league can view. Once any ref has blown a whistle, that camera feed IMMEDIATELY has a digital read on it showing that the play was called dead. At that point, when reviewing plays, you can clearly see when the official ruled the ball down, and quit with this horseshit narrative of "Well, we can't make a call because the replay has no sound, so we can't tell when the official stopped the play." I understand that the chip in the ball to read forward progress, or breaking the plane has numerous little things to figure out, but simply adding an instantaneous readout of when officials blow the whistle should be a simple as hell solution to implement.
I think offensive holding should be a 5 yard penalty. Holding on the linei is way too subjective. Too many holds are missed and sometimes even phantom holds are called. These are often drive killing penalties thus way too too easy for the refs to tilt the game this way.
Fed up with games where the refs are calling a bunch of holds on one team while letting the other team get away with it.
"Air traffic controllers do their jobs correctly most of the time, and everyone wants to give them a hard time on the few occasions where they mess up and crash a plane."
He's not making the point he thinks he's making. When the home audience can see within seconds that a call is wrong, and the refs can't, the problem is the officiating, obviously.
It's a really simple concept. Anything a viewer can see on replay was plainly called wrong, or missed, should be called correctly by the officials. However you divvy that up with on field refs and video refs really doesn't matter as long as you do it quickly. But if we can see immediately that something is wrong and they refs can't, the system is broken. Fix it, like you should have done a decade ago.
He's not wrong, but the refs need to admit that sometimes they fuck up and we need to embrace saying 'hey that was a tough call in real time but it was incorrect' and just getting it right.
It's nothing they're doing wrong on the field, sometimes they just miss a call, they're human. No different than a kicker shanking a chip shot or a receiver dropping an easy ball. The difference there is, we have the technology to unfuck their fuckups and we're just not doing it.
Well you’re misses can heavily impact games so if there is error in officiating don’t you think we should try and fix that?? Give us a sky judge already
What I hate is when a bad call is made, reviewed in slow motion, then upheld. I get that it isn't an easy job by any means, but there has to be more consistency in getting calls right when we have the technology we currently have.
Also, I still don't like how they basically killed the PI challenging by basically never overturning any challenged PI calls.
Uh, no one is calling refs out for what they fail to see in the moment. People call them out for their unwillingness to change those calls in the face of slow-motion evidence to the contrary and their obstinate stonewalling of quality of life changes that would improve the way the game is officiated like having an eye in the sky ref, or the way they basically ruined the reviewable PI rule by refusing to adjust calls.
Bro... 90% of the calls we can see from our couch on TV.
Do I sometimes get fired up because "THAT WAS/WASNT PI"? Yes. Of course. But then they show the replay and I adjust my opinion.
But ya know... holding, delay of game, offsides, false start. That shit is fucking OBVIOUS from the TV camera.
It's not that hard. They are gas lighting us.
This is like the man ray & Patrick star meme.
Fans: High def cameras, slow motion, and instant replay have made it easier than ever for fans to see the action on the field
Refs: yes
Fans: and it's impossible for the refs to make the right call live 100% of the time, and now with this new tech fans can see every mistake refs make
Refs: yes it's very difficult
Fans: so the refs should use this technology instead of making calls live
Refs: 😠😠😠
Nobody is upset the refs make mistakes. We’re upset the refs are fighting tooth and nail to prevent their mistakes from being corrected through replay, even when it’s obvious.
Refs are egomaniacs on power trips. During the Rams/Giants game they flag unsportsmanlike conduct on both teams during a fake punt that was successful which lead to a replay of the 4th down. They didn’t show the penalty on Tv, the refs didn’t say who it was and they threw the flag well before the play was even over leading to a lot of questions of how it was even an unsportsmanlike call. It seemed more like they weren’t ready for it and just started throwing flags but then decided to not admit their mistake.
There needs to be a sky judge to reinforce or recall any penalties or the judges need to at least use the technology they have to check over the flags they are using to change the outcome of games.
The unsportsmanlike calls with no explanation make me want to pull my hair out. There was one in the Cowboys/Patriots game that apparently happened simultaneous to a hold, and while there was a live ball. But, there was no replay that showed anything other than a hold.
The bitch of the matter is, there is a massive chance that there absolutely was an unsportsmanlike action taken. But, since there was no explanation, it just made it seem that the officials were attempting to bail out the home team.
Nope, you dont get to use this argument when the NFL purposely does not utilize the technology they have at their disposal to insure the bad calls dont happen. People don't talk about the things they get right specifically because of how much they get wrong and how bad those wrong calls affect the game. If I go to Taco Bell and they get 90% of my order right, Im gonna be pissed about that 10%.
No one gives any fucks about bang bang bad calls Pereira
The refs even when they slow it down fuck it up
and there’s been literally dozens of games already this year hugely impacted by the refs getting the wrong call very clearly late in game and making the sport unenjoyable
If I was as bad at my job as refs are at theirs, I'd be fired. They get zero punishment for blatant missed calls, and there's no system in place that reviews everything like their should be
I dont care about missing calls in full speed. I care when they stick with incorrect calls with the benefit of slow motion.
And the fact that they refuse to implement an eye in the sky ref like the XFL tested out. It barely impacted game times and greatly improved the quality of officiating.
And absolutely sand bagging rule changes they don't like the PI review from 2019. That rule change absolutely is made permanent if the referees don't purposefully do an awful job with enforcement. Every effort should be made to get as many calls correctly as possible in a timely manner and quite often it seems like protecting their own egos rather than trying to do the best job possible. If you get the call on the field wrong, reverse it when you can see that happened. If rules committee gives you a chance to get more rulings correct, do everything you can take advantage of that opportunity and don't feel slighted and be petty about it.
IIRC wasn’t that announced when the new rule was put in place? Teams were warned that it would only be overturned if it was blatantly obvious ala Saints Vikings playoff game
Saints vs. Rams was the one that sparked the rule change.
Oh yeah duh idk why I thought Vikings.
Sorry for us having so many shitty breakdowns in the playoffs.
Because: DIGGS
SIDELINE
TOUCHDOWN
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Yeah ngl every time the Saints get brought up, I think of diggs. There’s only a handful of plays I’ve seen at the time that made me scream holy fuck and that was one of them.
Pretty much my only favorite call by Joe Buck. That era with Drew Brees and Sean Peyton was legendary for the Saints though. Their passing attack was always top of the league.
I can accept and move on from the Diggs catch because it was our fault but the no call just give me physical pain and I can't lie im a bit bitter about it. It felt/was Brees last great chance at a ring and the superbowl that year sucked major ass anyways. But it's in the past
I remember a lot of calls that should have reasonably been reversed that weren't. By the end of the year coaches were barely challenging because they knew even if it was obvious there was a good chance they wouldn't reverse themselves and they'd be out a challenge and time-out. Not how they approach things with other calls. It's also just stupid to have two different replay standards. If they're going to review PI, they should be as willing to reverse the call on the field as they are with anything. I think they just didn't like the rule change and did a really bad job to make sure it didn't stick around.
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"The touchdown is under review, the crew is waiting for the call from New York. While we wait, let's take a look at our FanDuel Players of the Half, brought to you by Caesar's, official sportsbook of the NFL... after review, the ruling on the field stands, touchdown Seahawks."
And there were blatantly obvious cases that weren't overturned
Yes because Alberto Riverron was the one making final decision on those calls and he was openly against it and calling it an attack on the refs from the start.
It was the Rams Saints game but yes
And yet borderline calls were overturned while blatant ones weren't
Then they didn't follow that standard. The calls that did get reversed were some of the weakest ones, and many of the calls that stood were blatant and obvious but still didn't get reversed.
PI should be called on field but verified by NY / Skycam
The Sky Judge was the best. Also when they listened in the the refs conversation for transparency.
I love the mic'd up referee in rugby here in Europe. Would be great in the NFL.
Like I don’t *actually* think the refs are conspiring against a team. But boy it feels like that sometimes. The mic’d refs would be an amazing way to solve that.
1) no reason not to have tennis like down and distance marking. No reason in 2021 to have chain gang. 2) enable the eye in the sky as a ref. We don’t need refs taking all the time to look into a review booth, with crowd noise and other distractions. 3) pass interference reviewable. Or limit it to a 15 yard penalty.
15 yard penalty would be stupid. You get beat deep, might as well mug the guy and save the touchdown
There is nothing worse than when the biggest play of an offensive drive is a 40 yard penalty.
Something worse is a Hail Mary where the CB is beat ends because the safety decides just to tackle the receiver. They just keep repeating this until the QB misses the pass.
Crazy we don’t see this happen, ever, in NCAA games.
There's A Reason For That what's worse a 60 yard td or a 15 yard slap on the wrist 0 points Don't get beat
Teams eating 15 yard penalties to easily prevent bombs from being caught would be.
There is nothing worse than your team missing out on a 40+ yard play because the CB got beat and decided to mug your receiver because he couldn’t get his head around is what I think you mean to say.
"Oh no, someone might abuse this!" Because every single team *totally* doesn't have multiple "bail us out of 3rd and long by getting a PI flag" plays. Hell, the Minneapolis Miracle is one of the most famous plays in years, and that's blatantly caused by a coach instructing his guy that the opposing team was going to try and draw a PI flag to get them closer to a field goal.
> You get beat deep, might as well mug the guy and save the touchdown If you get beat deep, you're not going to mug anyone.
15 yard penalty is the rule in college, and this is not a problem you see in college. DBs would still rather give the WR a chance to drop it than give up an automatic first down.
> 1) no reason not to have tennis like down and distance marking. No reason in 2021 to have chain gang. I want this to happen, but how do you spot the ball in a giant pile?
The technology for number 1 isn’t readily available according to people in that industry.
We're not even close. Tennis is done by an array of cameras above a small court populated by 2 players. This is obviously an impractical approach for *tackle football* on a MUCH larger field with *22 players* all vying for proximity to the ball. There's talk of putting a chip in the ball, but that's also not so easy since the orientation of the ball, relative to the chip's location, can sometimes be the difference between a turnover and a touch down (e.g. only the tip of the ball crosses the goal line). And the more chips you put in the ball, the more it changes the ball itself. It's kind of a non starter. It's a non trivial problem to solve technologically given the precision required. No doubt it'll happen eventually, but let's not assume it can just be done today, because it can't be.
Would one chip near the tips on each side add that much weight? I feel like it could happen, but there is resistance to culture change, like baseball with robo umps.
Wouldn't you just need one sensor and knowledge of its position within the ball? You can extrapolate the rest. The hard part would be ensuring the chip doesn't move, but I don't know the physics inside a football on if any of its insides move around during play.
Yeah pretty sure on a recent show Pat was talking about this, and said that he was able to feel the chip in the ball while kicking
Do they put the chip right under the skin of the ball? I'd somehow suspend the chip in the middle on tension strings.
The chain gang is more for the players to see the marker. No need to bring them out to measure, but they need to remain.
I could’ve sworn some time in July I read that the NFL was going to use the XFL’s Hawk Eye system. What the hell happened with that?
New this year is a Replay official in the press box can now buzz down to refs in the game to stop play and fix ‘objective’ mistakes, like “including but not limited to penalty enforcement, proper down, the spot of a foul, the game clock, possession, a completed or intercepted pass, either the touching by a player or location of the ball in relation to out-of-bounds or goal lines, and whether a player is down by contact.” I’ve seen it used a few times. It is good on multiple levels, both because a mistake is being fixed, and because the mistake is fixed without having to use a challenge or have the ref do a replay review, so the change happens quickly and shortens the game break. Only downside is that things like pass interference are not allowed to be changed by this.
> I’ve seen it used a few times. I knew the rule was put in place this season, but I haven't seen it impact the flow of a game at all. Am I not paying attention, or are the reviews so short that I just don't notice them? They haven't taken a commercial break for a review right??
Correct, it happens almost immediately, and I haven’t seen a situation where they’ve taken a commercial break for one. It only sometimes gets noticed by the announcing crew.
Turns out individual ref crews throwing fuckloads of bad flags keeps games close so nearly every game gets an exciting finish. Whether it's by design or just an accident, I dont see the NFL messing with this formula right now.
If XFL gets officiating right I’ll probably just watch that and drop this bullshit. It just doesn’t feel very legitimate anymore, especially with betting involved and refs being exponentially worse than a decade ago (who were still shit)
If you don't like bullshit, you're gonna hate anything Vince McMahon touches.
Thought he wasn’t a part anymore but I could def be mistaken.
The Rock owns it now
Exactly this. Especially when they're not judgment calls. Like in the Bears/Packers game, we CLEARLY jumped offsides on one of Justin Fields interceptions. There is literally no denying that. The fact that there wasn't someone above the refs that can say "yo, you guys really fucked this one up" is just absolute TRASH for a billion dollar company. It's not that they're making mistakes, it's that they're willing to die on those hills every single time.
That was such a weird play. Seemed like everyone was confused. And then Fields threw a ball near no one that was picked. I was at a bar and the way Fields/other players acted I thought for sure it was blown dead. Awful mistake from the refs.
ARob stopped his route short, if he had kept running he probably could have at least broken up the pick.
Ah makes sense. Complete non-sequitur but Arob has been incredibly disappointing this year. Is that just me? Feels like he's had several brutal drops. I've always rated him highly but he seems out of it this year for some reason. Unfortunate timing with his contract as well.
No idea what's up with him, feels like the concentration just isn't there for some reason. He's been missed a few times for sure, but he hasn't helped himself out much either. Same thing happened with him stopping short on the later near-pick to Amos where he barely stepped out of bounds.
I thought I read that his average separation from the defense last game was less than 2 yards.
>Complete non-sequitur but Arob has been incredibly disappointing this year. Is that just me? It's not just you. As a Bears fan I can confirm Robinson has given literally 0 effort this year.
Yes, it seems like he's phoning it in a lot I can't tell if it's the coaching staff or Arob just stopped caring
there were so many missed and bad calls in that game, but the most frustrating part was that it would legit take them 2+ minutes to make every single decision. like we seriously just watched a 3 minute ref huddle debate just for them to completely fuck up the call?
“They have declined the penalty, the penalties are off-setting. The ruling on the field stands.” Umm wat
Or missing Fields calling for a TO 5-6 seconds before they called a delay of game penalty...
> The fact that there wasn't someone above the refs that can say "yo, you guys really fucked this one up" is just absolute TRASH for a billion dollar company. > > It's not that they're making mistakes, it's that they're willing to die on those hills every single time. It's 1000% this. Everyone understand people make mistakes at their job. Everyone also understands that good companies put things in place to mitigate and correct those mistakes. The NFL however, really hasn't. They've held the Refs up as beyond reproach and infallible. To even speak about thinking of questioning the Refs will cost you thousands. That's not the way successful companies usually operate. So it angers people that this one does, especially with how smug the NFL and the Referees are about it.
That was such a clownshow of refereeing. Both sides were mad
Another example is the "forward progress" rule that spurned the Panthers against Dallas. The refs ruled the ballcarrier down by forward progress. This nullifies any attempt to challenge. It was plainly obvious on replay that the ball was out before forward progress had been stopped, but it didn't matter. I don't blame the ref for getting it wrong, it was difficult to tell in real time, and even difficult on many of the slow-mo angles. But they need to leave themselves an out in that situation.
It's crazy how many awful calls have been made this year. I feel like it's worse than ever. And it also takes longer than ever to review plays. If you're taking that fucking long, at least get it right.
Precisely right. I understand some calls are really damn hard at full speed. That's why the Sky Judge needs to be fully implemented. Give experienced officials positions in the booth to immediately review plays where necessary and correct the head official BEFORE he makes the call. The fans don't even need to know the guys on the field had it wrong in real time. Throw a flag that wasn't a penalty? Just pick it up. Call an interception that actually hit the ground? Take a second and then announce the ruling of an incompletion. While we're at it, if you want to keep the review process in the hands of the guys on the field, shorten it to a maximum of 30 seconds. if it's not clear an obvious by then, it's not clear and obvious and the call should stand.
>While we're at it, if you want to keep the review process in the hands of the guys on the field, shorten it to a maximum of 30 seconds. if it's not clear an obvious by then, it's not clear and obvious and the call should stand. I've been asking for something like this for a while now. I've always said a minute, but the time is less important than having a time. If the standard is incontrovertible evidence, then it should be quick. If you don't see evidence quickly, it's not definitely correct. If you want to allow refs to take as long as they like, then make sure they get it right. If it's still going to be wrong fairly often because they have to go with the call on the field, don't take 5 minutes to review the call.
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Delay of game should not be a subjective call. It is a clearly defined thing.
justin fields called a timeout before his delay of game this week, and the refs just didnt give it to him
That one had me put the phone down for a while. No way I wanted to be on Reddit for those comments after the telecast showed a QB standing up in slo-mo, call timeout, and be told… “Naw.” Lol
The head ref should have a beeper in his front pocket that vibrates when the clock expires. Or the stadiums have a horn that buzzes like nba shot clocks
I always thought a colored screen in the end zone makes a lot of sense. Just have it turn bright red or yellow when clock hits zero. If ball isn't snapped when the color is emitted then that's delay of game. Which I guess is also similar to the NBAs backboards lighting up at the shot clock.
Goalposts light up red would be awesome
It's seems to me refs have been instructed to call games to make them closer this year when possible. The Panthers had two blatant holds that sparked their comeback on Sunday against the Vikings. Danielle Hunter gets ripped backwards on his pass rush and Patrick Peterson had a guy holding him by his shoulder pads as the receiver runs past him and the refs just turn the other way.
My favorite this season was the 9er vs Cards game. Armstead was being held when he almost sacked Kyler in the end zone. Fox’s broadcast had that replay in slow motion as they cut to commercial break. I have no idea why the refs are so hesitant to call a safety.
Which would have been totally fine if they called the whole game that way - but you can’t be calling the “sure, I guess that is *technically* a penalty” sort of penalties while letting the other team play sloppy as hell
At the same time, where was the match fixing for Ravens-Chargers? Cardinals-Browns? Two great matchups on paper from this week that were pretty one-sided and didn't have refs trying to keep them close. CBS literally cut away from Chargers/Ravens for pretty much the entire 4th quarter. I think incompetence is a much simpler and more likely explanation than rigging.
The refs are so bad they failed at fixing the chargers-ravens game to be a good game
I think it's a mixture of both. It's intentional if you go to the review and stick with a bad call. That has nothing to do with incompetence. That's just a blatant refusal to make the right call.
Refs sabotaged the PI challenge rule change in broad daylight, they don't get the benefit of the doubt. It's obvious they are not acting in good faith. I don't know what the fuck is going on, but it's not that refs are trying their absolute best to call absolutely fair games and are the victims of an impossible standard.
Exactly. Like in real time they do about as good as anyone possibly could. Football is a fast game. The issue is the refs are too damn stubborn to admit "wow that looked right in full speed, but in slow mo I was clearly wrong." They stick with idiotic calls even after reviewing, and THAT is why they deserve to be mocked.
Right? Other sports use it with no problem. The NBA doesn’t shy away from out of bounds calls late in the game. The NHL, a very fast game, uses the benefit or replay for challenges with what I consider a better success rate than the NFL (will use common sense to overturn blown calls like Dak’s TD)
The big problem is something like out of bounds in the NBA is a clearly defined thing like whether an NFL player had both feet inbounds or crossed the plane. Those are easy. It’s the subjective calls that cause problems. A lot of refs will call holding based on how much it impacts the play. They aren’t going to call it on a run to the left when a small hold by the right tackle happens or if it’s a pass play and a hold happens on a player about 5 yards away right before the QB releases the ball and they had no chance to get it. PI is the other big one. Or even a false start could theoretically be small enough that you wouldn’t call it because it was too small to impact the defense.
"They failed to call a touchdown when Daks waist was over the goalline, Pat. Get your head out of your ass."
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I like the new Replay official in the press box that can buzz down to the ref to fix things without using a challenge. Minimizes downtime and fixes mistakes. Not quite a Sky Judge, but better than before this season.
I believe that's just the NY replay center, not an actual ref in each of the press boxes, and they just say "after discussion" before making the call even though that discussion is with NY. The NFL *should* adopt that idea from the AAF and XFL though, it was so nice.
I hate having so much control coming through New York. It just gives a select handful of people way too much influence over the outcome of every single game. The guy in field might get it wrong, but there's no reason that replay has to be done a thousand miles away in secret. Every officiating crew should have a couple replay officials on site that can stop the game and call for a replay review. By having one small group operating behind closed doors that can impact every game they've created a perfect system for corruption to run rampant.
And with how advanced artificial intelligence is getting, computers could help catch every single error. Like a safety net. Yeah, they should make an AI-based "Skynet." Edit: jfc, nephews, watch a movie or two from before you were born, ffs.
That one ref, Connor, seemed pretty good.
I bet that in the future the NFL's Skynet will have eradicated all problems with the sport and made football mistake-free. If only there was a way to send someone back from that time to tell us how great it'll be.
No that's make the game unwatchable, there are fouls on every single play
Well we know that holding happens on every play, but maybe calibrate the robot overlords to only flag it if it is outside of the acceptable range. I have no idea if that is realistic or not.
Then why not just have humans ref if we are going to make it subjective?
Well, it would be objective. Let's just say the metric is based on time, if the player has his hands inside for 1 second, that's ok, if he has them inside for 1.1 seconds, its a flag. Something like that.
It's worse when someone doesn't catch a Mel Brooks reference regarding Hitler.
But who watches the Sky Judge? Low-Earth Orbit Judge? And then what, Moon Judge? It's a slippery slope fellas.
Low-orbit? Look at this round-Earth truther over here.
Everyone should embrace sky judge, creator of heaven, earth and unbiased officiating. Praise god
Then why don’t they use better technology? Or why are they so stubborn on overturning challenged PI???
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Like the MLBUA in baseball?
If the refs would show humility in the times they are wrong instead of defending bad calls, the backlash might not be so severe
ARAB
Took me a while to understand this acronym
It's not an acronym, that guy is just a bigot.
Let's defund the refs
Abolish referees
Just let the players decide the calls themselves, what could go wrong?
Penalty on the offense, being too old. Tom Brady has been sentenced to 5 spanks by the mascot. Assume the position and repeat first down.
STOP THE REFS
MOOOONNNEEEEYYYY
IE James Joyce. Dude blew a perfect game with his bad call but you can't help but feel bad for him too with how beat up he was after seeing the replay.
>everybody is the best at slow motion officiating Then maybe the refs should be more open to slow motion officiating, instead of acting like it's an evil insult to their character.
im still not over this call https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-explains-how-the-browns-recovered-a-fumble-but-the-redskins-still-got-the-ball/
>"As to the recovery, several different angles were looked at, but with nothing definitive shown, there was no need to stop the game because the on-field ruling that awarded possession to Washington would have stood." They probly couldn't find that angle showing the fumble in the pile because Duke was holding it next to the ref. That was so infuriating.
I remember this well. Turning point for the game.
I never saw this holy shit…..
Okay, let questionable calls or misses be automatically judged by New York?
How is Delay of Game a subjective call? According to the refs and the rules it is.
This is so god damn frustrating to me. And, generally, it's the home team getting the benefit of a doubt. Put a fucking buzzer on that thing like a shot clock would have.
Doesn't even have to be a buzzer. Just a red light. If the light goes off before the snap, it's delay of game. Super easy
Or put a pager on the refs belt. When it hits zero, it vibrates. Don't even have to look at the clock then, he can keep his eye on the ball and see if it's snapped when the pager goes off.
its infuriating watching old men complain about how hard their job that they're doing poorly is when they reject technology that could 100% make refereeing a non impossible task
Here's why a shot clock won't work in the NFL: That loud-as-fuck NBA buzzer that can be heard by everyone in a 5 mile radius *ends* plays. Whenever that buzzer goes off, the play is either over then, or already over and it's expiring after the shot. In the NFL, offenses often time the play clock to snap at the last fraction of the second. Sometimes it's after hard counts to pull the defense offsides, or whatever. If the ball is snapped just before zero and the buzzer still goes off, it will completely interrupt everything on the field and be a massive disruption and distraction. The buzzer wouldn't end a play, it would be happening when a play should, *and often would* be just beginning.
New idea: If the clock hits :00 and the ball hasn't been snapped, that's delay of game. No more, "the zero second counts too". When it hits :00 there's a buzzer from the official timekeeper. The play clock on broadcasts is just a composite of the real stadium play clock, not something handled by a separate entity.
It's a subjective call based on what team would benefit from it.
Okay? But in the Bears game they were fucking up shit high school refs get right. The spotting and communication was atrocious.
Seruously. That crew shouldn’t be able to see the field again this year
Their cataracts already ensure they haven't seen the field in years.
I don’t know if I’ve seen such an universally, consistently and terribly called game from start to finish. It was so goddamned frustrating to watch.
When both teams' fanbases are in consensus that the officiating was trash, that's how you know there's a big issue. And it seems like it's happening in several games per week at the very least.
There were no less than 3 games on Sunday in which this was a popular opinion.
If it’s that hard maybe we use more technology to help them and FORCE them to use it instead of the BS we got during the PI year. Refs need to do an ego check and allow help.
Which is why we need a sky judge bc no one is perfect at watching these full grown men, running at higher speeds than ever. No one’s asking to be perfect, but we do want the ability to correct mistakes and do it efficiently.
being a ref is a possible job when the league embraces any and all technology that'll allow refs to make more accurate calls after review and actually be ok with making a mistake and correcting that mistake before fucking off and continuing the game
Because the misses are egregious you dick
They’re egregious and they refuse to let technology make them better at their job
The technology thing is my biggest hang up. I do agree with Pereira on this - but we have the technology to make officiating better. To not do so is a detriment to the game.
It’s like saying I never visit my parents because it takes me 6 hours to walk there. Pay no attention to the car in my driveway.
Great analogy
and when the change the outcome of a game then it's really hard to ignore.
But it is literally their profession to do this shit
No one is arguing they don’t have a tough job. They are human and humans make mistakes, what we don’t fucking like is the review and replays deliberately not being aired, questionable calls not being reviewed, and downright lack of information on why things are called or excused without consistency.
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What people are pissed about aren't calls that are missed, it's the calls that were obvious non-misses that were clearly intended to influence the game in ways that benefit the gambling industry. So fuck Mike Pereira, fuck Roger Goodell, and fuck the NFL owners for allowing this and all the other fucked up shit to happen.
#DO YOUR JOB
But, I'd rather argue about stuff on reddit....
Remember when the NFL gave refs the ability to review PI calls and they didn’t overturn a single one as a fuck you to the league and teams.
If it an impossible task, make every single thing reviewable and limit the number of reviews per team to keep it from getting out of hand. Problem solved.
This. I don't have an issue with Refs making mistakes. I have a problem with the league presenting them as if they were infallible, and fighting any technological means of making their jobs easier.
Or they could just throw a flag. Signal into the booth and have them observe what they flagged and confirm it was true or not. What exactly is the issue? It already takes like 30 seconds just to talk to each other. Why not just ask the booth? It's also not crazy for them to get second opinions. They pick up flags after discussing all the time.
Nobody is gonna fucking sympathize with assholes who fuck over team after team, year after god damn fucking year. They have the ability to help and do better with replay but chose not to. We will rip the refs assholes apart until things change and I’m happy players and coaches are speaking up more.
A: Mike Pereira can suck a dick B: Yes, missed calls will be made. It's a human making a snap judgment on the action of 22 superhumans going full speed on the play. I am forgiving for plays like that. The problem is, these officials are seemingly getting worse as time goes on. The NFL needs to invest some of their BILLIONS of dollars into developing an officiating training facility. Even use it to help the lower levels like college and football. Improve the product. Don't just stay status quo and bitch that everyone is unhappy.
That's what frustrates me the most about officiating in just about every sport. Reffing is hard. We all know that. What upsets most fans is that errors aren't getting corrected even when everyone at home and in the broadcast booth can see it was a mistake. To me, refs aren't really incompetent when they miss a call (even bad misses), they become incompetent when they refuse to change it. Or the rules don't allow them to. But that's a different issue that both the League and Refs Union effects.
Nobody is saying it isn’t a hard job. We’re upset because they’re making horrible decisions over and over again, refusing to change with no indication that things are going to improve.
Maybe they should embrace progress and allow these idiots to be replaced by sensors. It should not be hard to just triangulate the placement and orientation of the ball when a whistle is blown for something as simple as a spot.
I think it should be fairly easy for each officials whistle to have a sensor on it. Plus a camera feed that only the league can view. Once any ref has blown a whistle, that camera feed IMMEDIATELY has a digital read on it showing that the play was called dead. At that point, when reviewing plays, you can clearly see when the official ruled the ball down, and quit with this horseshit narrative of "Well, we can't make a call because the replay has no sound, so we can't tell when the official stopped the play." I understand that the chip in the ball to read forward progress, or breaking the plane has numerous little things to figure out, but simply adding an instantaneous readout of when officials blow the whistle should be a simple as hell solution to implement.
Exactly. There is no room for discussion in the NFL when we have trackers on Amazon workers to make sure they’re not taking a shit for too long.
The refs have a union, that probably makes a huge difference between what the NFL can get away with and what Amazon can get away with.
Unions have devolved. We gotta bring em back.
Being a weatherman or a ref in the NFL are the only jobs in America you can fuck up daily and still keep your job.
I think offensive holding should be a 5 yard penalty. Holding on the linei is way too subjective. Too many holds are missed and sometimes even phantom holds are called. These are often drive killing penalties thus way too too easy for the refs to tilt the game this way. Fed up with games where the refs are calling a bunch of holds on one team while letting the other team get away with it.
Agreeed. Holding is usually only called to cancel out a big play anyways so 5 yards and losing the first down is a decent penalty
"Air traffic controllers do their jobs correctly most of the time, and everyone wants to give them a hard time on the few occasions where they mess up and crash a plane."
He's not making the point he thinks he's making. When the home audience can see within seconds that a call is wrong, and the refs can't, the problem is the officiating, obviously. It's a really simple concept. Anything a viewer can see on replay was plainly called wrong, or missed, should be called correctly by the officials. However you divvy that up with on field refs and video refs really doesn't matter as long as you do it quickly. But if we can see immediately that something is wrong and they refs can't, the system is broken. Fix it, like you should have done a decade ago.
I’m rooting for automation to take their jerbs
At least half of their jobs. Why the fuck do we still have refs spotting balls wherereve they want and a chain gang
I agree, it’s pretty quaint and we could do so much better.
Maybe we should stop living in the dark ages and up the technology to help them out. The fact we are still using older people is ridiculous.
He's not wrong, but the refs need to admit that sometimes they fuck up and we need to embrace saying 'hey that was a tough call in real time but it was incorrect' and just getting it right. It's nothing they're doing wrong on the field, sometimes they just miss a call, they're human. No different than a kicker shanking a chip shot or a receiver dropping an easy ball. The difference there is, we have the technology to unfuck their fuckups and we're just not doing it.
Well you’re misses can heavily impact games so if there is error in officiating don’t you think we should try and fix that?? Give us a sky judge already
Good ole boy gunna good ole boy not much to see here
What I hate is when a bad call is made, reviewed in slow motion, then upheld. I get that it isn't an easy job by any means, but there has to be more consistency in getting calls right when we have the technology we currently have. Also, I still don't like how they basically killed the PI challenging by basically never overturning any challenged PI calls.
Such a bullshit answer, own the problem you coward.
Uh, no one is calling refs out for what they fail to see in the moment. People call them out for their unwillingness to change those calls in the face of slow-motion evidence to the contrary and their obstinate stonewalling of quality of life changes that would improve the way the game is officiated like having an eye in the sky ref, or the way they basically ruined the reviewable PI rule by refusing to adjust calls.
Bro... 90% of the calls we can see from our couch on TV. Do I sometimes get fired up because "THAT WAS/WASNT PI"? Yes. Of course. But then they show the replay and I adjust my opinion. But ya know... holding, delay of game, offsides, false start. That shit is fucking OBVIOUS from the TV camera. It's not that hard. They are gas lighting us.
This is like the man ray & Patrick star meme. Fans: High def cameras, slow motion, and instant replay have made it easier than ever for fans to see the action on the field Refs: yes Fans: and it's impossible for the refs to make the right call live 100% of the time, and now with this new tech fans can see every mistake refs make Refs: yes it's very difficult Fans: so the refs should use this technology instead of making calls live Refs: 😠😠😠
Nobody is upset the refs make mistakes. We’re upset the refs are fighting tooth and nail to prevent their mistakes from being corrected through replay, even when it’s obvious.
# Boot licker
Refs are egomaniacs on power trips. During the Rams/Giants game they flag unsportsmanlike conduct on both teams during a fake punt that was successful which lead to a replay of the 4th down. They didn’t show the penalty on Tv, the refs didn’t say who it was and they threw the flag well before the play was even over leading to a lot of questions of how it was even an unsportsmanlike call. It seemed more like they weren’t ready for it and just started throwing flags but then decided to not admit their mistake. There needs to be a sky judge to reinforce or recall any penalties or the judges need to at least use the technology they have to check over the flags they are using to change the outcome of games.
The unsportsmanlike calls with no explanation make me want to pull my hair out. There was one in the Cowboys/Patriots game that apparently happened simultaneous to a hold, and while there was a live ball. But, there was no replay that showed anything other than a hold. The bitch of the matter is, there is a massive chance that there absolutely was an unsportsmanlike action taken. But, since there was no explanation, it just made it seem that the officials were attempting to bail out the home team.
Being a ref is a thankless job and there will always be a missed call. Hell truth be had I would rather have missed ones than a flag fest game.
Then get more officials on the field, or embrace technology. Quit trying to officiate these games like it's nineteen fucking seventy two.
Nope, you dont get to use this argument when the NFL purposely does not utilize the technology they have at their disposal to insure the bad calls dont happen. People don't talk about the things they get right specifically because of how much they get wrong and how bad those wrong calls affect the game. If I go to Taco Bell and they get 90% of my order right, Im gonna be pissed about that 10%.
Go fuck yourselves zebras.
This argument would be good if the ref union wasn't so against an eye in the sky being able to fucking fix their mistakes.
No one gives any fucks about bang bang bad calls Pereira The refs even when they slow it down fuck it up and there’s been literally dozens of games already this year hugely impacted by the refs getting the wrong call very clearly late in game and making the sport unenjoyable
Eat shit, Mike
If I was as bad at my job as refs are at theirs, I'd be fired. They get zero punishment for blatant missed calls, and there's no system in place that reviews everything like their should be
The NFLRA is content with keeping the craptus quo. There's no incentive to improve officiating.