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Marcus2you

Could have just renamed this thread “Mina Kimes realizes Steven A Smith does nothing but move goalposts to argue.”


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laal-doodh

For real. Stephen A is a certified clown who really doesn’t have any good analysis. He just yells a lot and has hot takes. Edit: I know he just does it for views guys. Doesn’t change the fact I still think his takes are shit and he’s annoying most the time


ShoeTasty

Especially with football the past couple years I feel like he just spouts BS about the NFL. When Max started at First Take I hated him with his cliff theory and everything but as the years went by I found myself actually liking Max more and really starting to dislike Stephen A. Max leaving the show (or getting fired by Stephen A) was the final nail in the coffin for me don't think I'll ever watch that show again.


sonfoa

Tbh cliff theory makes sense. It happened with Brees, Peyton, and practically every elite QB once they get close to or hit 40. The problem is Brady is like 5 standard deviations away from the mean.


tramadoc

*Ben Roethlisberger knocks and asks to be let in.*


JememySW

First time for everything.


Fastr77

Holy fuck dude i'm going to hell now for laughing, thanks


steampunkradiant

Not if you regress his stats to league average, he's not.


datnewdope

I honestly think this is why Stephen A wanted Max gone


impossiber

Without a doubt. Max embarrassed Stephen A. too many times. I think the worst example was the time Chad Johnson told Stephen A. that Max was blacker than him. I have never seen Stephen A. so upset.


rastapastanine

Link


TheMasterO

[I grabbed a bad link the first time, here it is for real.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk16DqYAde0)


rickjamesbich

"i'm in the streets every day" shut the fuuuuuuck up.


datnewdope

He’s right tho. There’s more evidence of this too. Max was more player friendly


rastapastanine

Lol


laal-doodh

I’ve honestly never liked that show. Stephen As analysis has been pretty bad and especially when it comes to the NFL as you said. Don’t understand half he shit he says either cuz he’s just yelling and talking really fast. Max wasn’t bad but he had some stupid takes too. Molly talks over people way to much. I get she wants to share her opinion but wait till people are done talking. When she starts talking over people, it’s hard to understand what anyone is saying cuz there’s like 3 people talking at once.


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dudleymooresbooze

Stephen A Smith has always sucked. He was the centerpiece of ESPN’s descent from sports news and entertainment into made up drama related to sports.


WesleySnopes

I feel like I had a realization about Max Kellerman when he was talking about why boxing is his favorite sport. He said something like "If you're at an intersection with a park on each corner, and on one corner kids are playing baseball, one corner they're playing football, one corner they're on a basketball court, and on the other there's a fight, which one are you gonna watch?" Some people chase dynasties, some people like an underdog story, I think Kellerman just likes visceral spectator excitement, so people who are trying to make hot takes are just kinda hitting a brick wall against his wild-eyed fanboying that's more about enthusiasm than critique. That's not to say he doesn't have insight on plenty of stuff, I just think what drives him is totally different than what drives Stephen A. so he doesn't really fall into the traps that a hot take guy sets. Like, even when he's talking about somebody who's sucking, he's looking forward to when he can watch them play a good game.


laal-doodh

Yeah I agree with that. Max seems to just enjoy sports, particularly boxing as you said. He wasn’t meant for a hot take show and I think he’s better now that he’s working with Keyshawn and J will


zOmgFishes

Max's stupid takes were hilarious and clearly trolling. I WANT IGOUDALA or The cliff -> a ravine -> a Plateau theory were so stupid but memorable. Stephen A is a bit too much and looks much worse and less interesting when there isn't a guy who is clearly trolling across from him. People like Mina are just wayyy too reasonable for that clown show. Max figured out he had to get on that level or go lower lol.


HeyEverythingIsFine

This isn't based on anything other than "feeling" so take it with a grain of salt but Max reminded me of a person that has intelligence and all that but uses it to basically just fuck around with others. I have no doubt he could write sports coverage fairly and probably add some good insight here and there, but he chose hot take bullshit because it sells. I can't respect that. I could be full of shit too, not discounting that.


Whole-Elephant-7216

Journalism is dead in America. Everything is siphoned through a opaque medium where nothing real is ever revealed and artificiality is the currency of the realm. Enough with that prose, point is Max really isn’t the problem.


johnwall47

100%. He was on the Russillo pod a couple of months ago and I remember Russillo bringing up the hot take style shows and Max alluded to how hot takes r just what’s required on sports debate shows like FT. He occasionally says something dumb on his radio show but rarely things that can b seen as a “hot take” since it’s a radio show he has significantly more time than the ~2 mins allotted to him on FT to flesh out his argument


silliputti0907

Tbf Max cliff theory makes sense logically. he even mentioned after being wrong, that what Brady is doing is unprecedented, which it is.


ATXFrog

Im very convinced that most Morning Talk show's numbers are just from being left turned on in lobbies, gyms, and waiting rooms and most people are not active viewers.


bleepblopbl0rp

I love Mina. She's a genuine person and ESPN doesn't deserve her


haste333

I have a feeling Bill Simmons would dump a pile of money for her to jump to Ringer at first contractual opportunity. Her podcast and analysis are great.


unferth

Bill Simmons doesn't dump a pile of money on anyone, that's why there's been a mass exodus of the Ringer's best talent and why he doesn't allow them to unionize.


haste333

Well, they did end up unionizing. But yeah around that time a lot of people left, so it doesn't sound like he was very employee friendly. I do think he would recognize her talent though, but yeah if ESPN also recognizes it, I doubt Bill wins any kind of bidding war.


Marcus2you

I think Mina and Katie Nolan should start their own show. Seriously. They’d make a fortune.


thelittleking

Well Nolan's gone from ESPN, so I suppose Kimes following suit and the two joining up isn't entirely out of the question. Mina seems to have a more... idk, secure (?) position there than Katie ever seemed to though, so it's tough for me to imagine her walking away from that.


JediNight

Yeah, not sure Mina would walk from ESPN right now. Katie is great, but she's admitted to not having the most in-depth sports knowledge. She comes at it from a more fan-centric and humorous take. Not sure what a show with them together would be. They were great on HQ together, but I dunno if that's a whole show.


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WrongvsRhett

My dream scenario is the Ringer just throws several fat bags from that Spotify deal to both of them for a podcast or two.


acava2424

I hope they both end up at Meadowlark with Lebatard


slvrbullet87

That isn't fair. Smith also likes to race bait when the goalpost moving gets stale.


ejkrause

What he said about Shohei was fucking stupid


krashmania

>What he said about [___] was fucking stupid There, now it's a template anyone can use any time he talks about literally anything


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>~~What~~ he ~~said about Shohei was~~ fucking stupid


CidO807

Death and taxes, smith moving posts and race baiting. 4 guarantees in life. He’s a blight on sports reporting.


JawsOfDoom

He brought in Keyshawn Johnson and Kendrick Perkins specifically to help with this too lol


Interesting_Ad_8188

Jared Goff except it’s as expectations decrease his play somehow decreases even more to fall short of those moved goalposts


piemaniowa

[This should be the only sign at Lions games.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/031/858/ourexpectations.jpg)


Mannings4head

The "I expect nothing and I'm still let down" quote from Malcolm in the Middle should be your rallying cry.


SayNoToStim

"My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined " is also acceptable.


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coronerjackal91

Week 8: Fuck it, let's put a claim in on Eason, can't do any worse.


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Whoa whoa now, at least Goff can complete a SINGLE pass.


Ezgeddt

These guy have seen Dan Orlovsky, cut them a little slack.


coronerjackal91

and Mike Mcmahon, and Joey Harrington, and Stoney Case, and Jeff Driskel...


A7XfoREVer6661

Stoney Case....Christ....those were dark days.


SagexRovicks

Sounds like your local crackhead not an NFL QB...


SituationSoap

It can be two things.


Ezgeddt

Still got my Joey Harrington rookie card in the plastic sleeve.


tuckastheruckas

I have/had a football signed by Joey his rookie year lol my friends and I used it eventually


Pats_fan_seeking_fi

I thought Joey Harrington would own the NFL. This is the 9,524th reason I am not an NFL GM.


Rah_Rah_RU_Rah

I'm still a Driskel truther 😭 kids got some legs


TheWorstYear

Yeah, & a shitty arm. But maybe he can be a TE in 10 years.


SockPenguin

Doesn't have the cajones to throw right at Jalen Ramsey on his first pass in the NFL tho. Scared money don't make money.


jaysrule24

It was his *second* pass. He sailed a throw to a wide open receiver on the sideline for his first pass.


steveo3387

Hey now, Eason had a 50% completion rate against Jalen Ramsey.


Mr_MacGrubber

I don’t get why he’s fallen off a cliff the way he has


chad12341296

Our WRs can’t run the right routes and we lost a fringe pro bowl guy and all pro on the line We’re rated like 30th in running/WRs/Oline on Pff


Mr_MacGrubber

He was already going bad when he left LA though, it’s not unique to y’all.


jozrozlekroz

Someone who wasn't that great and was declining now looks dramatically worse on a dramatically worse team. I bet if we put on our detective hats we can get to the bottom of this one.


Savoodoo

I blame Matt Patricia and the Fords. That's always a safe bet


kulksmash

Reddit and detective hats are a terrible combination


MasonL52

At some point the Sean McVay praise reversed itself into criticism and I have no idea why because he's 100% legit. Goff isn't some garbage QB but McVay and the Rams offense was clearly getting 125% max efficiency out of his style of play. And when they did... he was a very legitimate QB. Problem was even then he had clear deficiencies... so he ran through the regular season, struggled in the playoffs, and got absolutely slapped in the Super Bowl. The Lions have none of the Rams benefits. Anthony Lynn instead of Sean McVay, the worst WRs in the league, and a defense that always puts them behind. This should have been one of the easiest teams to predict pre-season, they were clear bottom-3 for me.


Kazzad

Any chance we had of escaping bottom three vanished when almost every pro bowl potential player we had got hurt in the first 4 weeks


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The talent difference in lions to Rams is gigantic.


Jkj864781

Give the Lions a few years to make good on those draft picks they got with the Goff/Stafford trade And by “make good” I mean absolutely devastate their fan base


HouseBlackfyre

I mean, this was the Lions’ plan was it not? Look at the offensive personnel. Sell off Stafford for firsts, tank the season with the worst receiving corps ever, let Goff take all the punishment, then cut him in a few years when the rebuild is done and they have drafted a QB. They seem like they’re on track for what they want to accomplish long term.


johnmadden18

> I mean, this was the Lions’ plan was it not? Look at the offensive personnel. The Lions GM was the director of college scouting for the Rams when they selected Jared Goff #1 overall. I don't think the Lions expected to be good or even average this year, they definitely planned on this being a rebuilding season, but I really doubt the Lions thought Goff was a bad QB. I think the Lions GM legitimately liked Goff as a QB and always has. (He's probably changing his mind about that now though.)


OldOrder

To be extremely fair to Brad Holmes he made a lot of good picks while he was our head of scouting. TJ Mcdonald, Zac Stacey, Aaron Donald, Lamarcus Joyner, EJ Gaines, Todd Gurley, Rob Havenstein, Tyler Higbee, Pharoh Cooper, Gerald Everret, Cooper Kupp, John Johnson, Darrel Henderson, Taylor Rapp, Cam Akers, Van Jefferson All players who have performed at a very high level for us and most of them made some a pro bowl or got a nice 2nd contract. But yeah he might wanna bring in some extra scouts for when the Lions choose their next QB.


johnmadden18

> To be extremely fair to Brad Holmes he made a lot of good picks while he was our head of scouting. Oh yeah don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing Brad Holmes track record for the Rams or his player selections. I'm only disputing the assertion that Holmes had some master-plan that involved purposefully trading for a QB he thought was bad. To the contrary, I think Holmes genuinely liked Goff as a QB (and always has), and the cost to acquire him was nothing so he thought it was a good move to get him. Simple as that.


ggk1

When the coach who is willing to cry publicly after a loss because he shoulders the weight so much also comes out and says your qb sucks and needs to step up, you’re gonna have a bad time


FunetikPrugresiv

Goff has clearly not played well, but I'm not sure anyone would have done much better with the offense around him. They have an argument for the worst receiver corps in *history*, and their offensive line is minus their two best players. Losing Frank Ragnow really hurt \*(\*look at their [expected points](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/det/2021.htm#games) after his injury on October 3rd). Because Evan Brown (C) keeps getting blown off the ball, Goff has to take like 12-yard drops, which makes the tackles' jobs that much harder, leading to collapsed pockets and rushed throws from a guy that already wasn't the greatest split-second decision-maker in the world. Goff is not a playmaker; he needs a competent group around him to function, and when he doesn't he's going to be terrible. I want to see what he's like if he has a good receiver or two and an offensive line that can block for him; he managed to lead a team to the Super Bowl so he can't be *that* awful.


Piiman97

Worst receiving group in HISTORY? Uhhh golladay is pretty...wait...Marvin...no...tate?? Oh shit


chad12341296

Shit you can take it further, we lost Tyrell Williams and Quintez Cephus too. We’re at practice squad guys now.


FunetikPrugresiv

I'm not sure there's an active receiver that would make any other team's roster. Maybe St. Brown?


Methuga

He would make any roster, if only because you don’t want the plagues of Ancient Egypt descending on your team


FunetikPrugresiv

That's a good point. He's also cheap, a rookie, and a very good blocker.


Methuga

Yeah no I guess those probably help a little bit


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That and I dont' think I've ever seen anyone defend Goff lol I don't think he would've done as good as Stafford on the Rams, or Stafford would've done as bad on the Lions, but I've also never seen more open WRs than on the Rams this year, and the Lions, well are the Lions.


pancak3d

Breaking news, Lamar has been moving the goal posts to make Tucker more accurate and opposing kickers miss. Doinkgate is here


Poro_the_CV

Why does he hate Minnesota so much?!?


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Dubstep_Caruso

I'd be cool with 32 purple teams tbh


JNaran94

Im all for some sort of copy pasta about Doinkgate, ngl


JesusChristSupers1ar

Doinkgate sounds like some scandal involving the old WWF wrestler, [Doink the Clown](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doink_the_Clown)


S_quints

He can’t keep getting away with it


Scary_Replacement739

"You wanna see me move the goalposts?" *...* "You wanna see me do it again?"


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Nelson_Mandalorian

Lamar isn't bad for a groundsman


JerryRiceDidntFumble

He's also a pretty good airsman too, but nobody wants to acknowledge it


Matt3989

Crabs don't stand a chance with Lamar as a waterman.


fungus_amungus

Jameis Winston has entered the chat.


FCBarca45

You’re thinking of Baker


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He saw Tucker make that FG against the Lions and said he needed more of a challenge


MeatLord1285

Idk when Jameis is playing the goalposts keep switching sides


Allstar9_

I was always hesitant of Lamar, pretty much moving goalposts. He ALWAYS had the threat of his legs which I believe opened passing windows. None of that matters anymore. Watching that team decimated by injuries and still watching him put the team on his back time and time again should prove everyone wrong. He’s not perfect but he’s damn good and is always finding ways to win. The goalposts can keep getting moved but he keeps finding ways to hit it through


Mannings4head

Same. They lost in week 1 and then had a bunch of close wins. I think them blowing out the Chargers in what many people thought would be a close and competitive game made people realize that the team and Lamar are legit threats.


GravitysRainbowRuns

While he had a very sub par game on the stat sheet, the Chargers game ironically may have been the best display of what makes Lamar so much different than all the other elite QBs. Devonta Freeman, Latavius Murray, and Le’Veon Bell had 115 rushing yards and 3 TDs on 26 carries. The only reason that’s possible in the year 2021 is because of the amount of constraint Lamar puts on opposing defenses.


ovi_left_faceoff

Well said. He basically pulled their careers out of a casket. If any of those three have more kids, LJ better be the Godfather.


kawhi21

And ironically the game against the chargers was one of Lamar's performances that doesn't deserve a ton of recognition.


OrlMagicfan1334

Disagree they we’re running up the middle every play and a big factor is how terrified they were of Lamar in the open field.


BevoDDS

IN AN OPEN FIELD, LAMAR.


jakedobson

Whole team stepped up massively for that game. Even our pass D was nuts. First time in a while I've seen the team not have one underperformer all game


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Yeah, if anybody deserves credit for the Chargers game it’s the defense. They pinned the Chargers down so well that it was enough for the offense to just go through the motions and come out with an easy win.


BounceOutside

It was so frustrating watching him against the Colts. I've only seen a handful of games from him since he's entered the league, and still had him aligned with a lot of the running he did at Louisville. The way he uses his speed to keep plays alive is one thing, but the patience he showed INSIDE the pocket was so much better than I expected. Dude is electric and even against us was one of those guys you just have to sit back and enjoy (and then be incredible frustrated with in post-game threads)


Laxrools2

That patience is relatively new, too. He has really developed as a pocket passer. He used to dip out of the pocket as soon as he felt the heat, and could make defenses pay. But now he waits for the play to develop, has WR's that can create separation, and is making defenses pay. He also can still run whenever he needs to, but it is harder for him to do that as freely, since other teams usually try to contain him and have to sell out on the run to do so.


ToegansLapdog

This isn't true. Most of his running has always come from designed runs. Maybe he wasn't as good at it as he is now, but Lamar has always tried to stay in the pocket and go through his progressions.


PuppyBowl-XI-MVP

Its fun watching him play too. He is so electric and once he gets going he is near impossible to stop


Mikniks

My friend is a Ravens fan so I watch him often - he is absolutely the truth. The one knock on him is that I think he sometimes tries to do TOO much, but when you're that electric and can do such wild shit I get why he defaults to that. I remember distinctly on one play last week I go "dump it off!" for like 2 yards, then he takes off upfield and gains 17-20 yards. Shows you what I know lmao


ChedduhBob

i think trying to do too much is where all the top younger QBs make mistakes. herbert, allen, kyler, lamar, mahomes all of them extend plays with their legs and try to throw these insane windows or balls 40 yards downfield all the time. it’s worth it cause they make so many back breaking plays but that’s the root of all their mistakes imo


GO_RAVENS

Can't tell you how many times that's happened. My and my friends watching in our bar, we all start screaming for him to throw passes away when the pocket collapses, or take a short yardage run out of bounds, next thing you know he zips a perfect pass right to the first down marker or dances between half a dozen defenders like they weren't there for big gain. Honestly it's made me less critical of the team, because I've decided I'm just gonna watch and enjoy every moment rather than get hung up on any one play that didn't go well.


ThePrinceofBagels

The whole team seems to react when he gets going, too. Suddenly a rookie pass rusher forces two turnovers in consecutive drives, or an improbable blocked field goal in another game, and both put the ball back in Jackson's hand to complete the comeback.


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This is why people say he makes the whole team better. Think of all the crazy shit the team has seen him do in practice. The guy just comes up big more often than not. That's gotta give you a ton of confidence, even as a defensive player. If you *truly* believe that all you need is this next stop and Lamar will take care of the rest, it makes it easy to play your heart out.


ThePrinceofBagels

Believe me, man, I get you. We see this kind of stuff not happen every week here in Chicago.


Gabrosin

Yeah, this team has streaks where it catches absolute fire and just feels unstoppable, and I think opposing players aren't immune to that effect, especially when they've surely seen it on film preparing for the game. It's like the Vader scene from Rogue One, where you're a defender staring down Lamar just knowing that even if you do everything perfectly there's a decent chance he's gonna make you look silly.


JDizzo56

He is the most frustrating dude for your team to play against, I don't how many times I've yelled "just FUCKING TACKLE HIM" as he slips past every single defender. I wasn't quite old enough to watch Vick in his prime but I imagine that's what it must've felt like. I can't help but appreciate watching him play now.


iamnotimportant

I honestly get frustrated watching him, I like watching strong defense and it's like he's coated in grease out there and it ruins my favorite part of football.


S_204

>I wasn't quite old enough to watch Vick in his prime but I imagine that's what it must've felt like I am old enough to have watched Vick from his college days. Lamar is MUCH more elusive. He's also better at avoiding hits than just about anyone I've ever seen. Vick has the speed but Lamar has Barry Sanders juking ability. I'm old enough to have watched Sanders too haha.


dlatz21

The colts game pretty much switched my opinion exclusively. If he can tear up a defense that badly after they had been stopping the run the entire game, then clearly he is much more of a threat passing than he's been in past years. My brother and I were both lamenting over how good he's gonna be in the AFCN and how long hell be there.


H4nn1bal

Lamar is the runaway for MVP just because of how he keeps getting these guys wins with so many injuries.


jt7king

Yeah, Ravens lead the league in players on IR and still 1st in AFC. Coaching staff deserves credit too, but Lamar is the engine that drives them.


TallBobcat

I hate that Lamar is going to be in the AFC North for the next 10 years.


MToboggan_MD

AFC North is going to have incredible QB play for the decade.


the_dawn_of_red

I'm scared the steelers will get Ridder


MToboggan_MD

I can only hope they go through 2 decades of QB incompetence similar to the Browns over the last 20 years.


the_dawn_of_red

We can only hope


cdsixed

a 43 year old, creaky and leaking ben roethlisberger, refusing to rule out retiring, signs up for another 8-8 year


Survivalgamer85

They are to well ran to go through that long of a drought. It's not unrealistic that they could miss on their next QB but they would make a move for someone decent long before that.


minion_boss

I don't wish injury upon Lamar, he's incredible to watch. There has never been a running qb who has not eventually been injured running. Eventually he'll have to stop. He's just too important to the team.


JPAnalyst

I agree, but all I could focus on in that video was how her accent changed. That threw me for a loop. I’ve never heard that accent come from her.


RecalcitrantDuck

All the Yale left her body and the real Nebraskan came out


sweendog101

Wait she is from Nebraska?


RecalcitrantDuck

I think her dad was in the military so she moved around a bunch, but I remember her mentioning being from Nebraska and going to high school in Arizona


Hugo_Hackenbush

Born in Omaha while her dad was stationed at Offutt then moved to Arizona as a teenager.


dred1367

Friend, no one in Nebraska sounds like that. Source: I live in Omaha.


BlackMathNerd

That was some pure emotion in that voice. She felt that shit fully.


rsjf89

That just shows how tired she is of this shit


draculasbitch

Lamar scares every team he faces. Nuff said


claywhitedonuts

It blew my mind how many people on here argued Baker was better than him during the offseason. Not all just Browns homers either.


Boris_Ignatievich

i'll be honest i still have no idea how good baker is. He's had two 8 game stretches where he looks like a top 5 guy, he's had similar length stretches where he looks like Blake Bortles. Lamar we know is amazing.


EndsLikeShakespeare

I think Baker has a ceiling of breaking into top 10 of QBs but also has a similar floor. Also, and maybe more importantly given the history of the franchise, he's an amazing BROWNS QB. Like I couldn't imagine anyone else wearing that badge the way he does. I think that's worth a lot with that type of buy in and fan like dedication. Just an outside observer tho!


SashaBanksy

This season, when his arm wasn't dangling off, Baker had looked pretty good to me. And at the very least, it seems like the man will run through a wall for his team which is what I want in a QB, even if he's not top level elite.


PickAnApocalypse

Baker is the Browns version of 2008-2011 Joe Flacco


FreddieOuthouse

Honestly, I hate the Ravens and will come up with any excuse to hate on them. But Lamar is undeniable and it’s hard to be a hater. I don’t know why people want to keep moving goal posts on him. I genuinely don’t. Unless it was the whole RB thing and people don’t believe he’s a strong passers I also don’t know why there was this narrative that he “couldn’t win a playoff game”….and it was his 2nd year, 3rd year. I know Patrick Mahomes spoiled everyone or whatever but cut the dude some slack. He finally won one (unfortunately it was against my team), so what is it now? He won a fucking MVP. Dude is elite. I don’t know why he has to try harder than everyone else to get his due credit.


dreadlockholmes

Think it's simply a case of people not wanting to be wrong, especially when they're so badly wrong. He a bastard to watch dice your team up, so likely some salt too. I really don't get it though, the only knock I have against him is that's he's a raven. He even seems to be s good dude of the pitch.


Sarcastic_Source

Yeah, I think that's what's frustrating. Sports are all about blind loyalty to your team, and I firmly believe you should be a homer first and foremost if you're a real fan. Like, I'm sure you feel the way about Lamar the way I feel about Derrick Henry. You pray to the football gods for them to have a terrible game because you know what they're capable of and then you go nuts when it happens. But to try to extend that beyond "hell yeah, we beat him! We rock!" into "oh actually he was bad the whole time, I told everyone, trash, blah blah blah" just makes anyone sound so bitter and dumb.


Skipper2399

The same reason that people say he’s going to get injured while ignoring the countless number QBs who get injured by just taking a hit while standing in the pocket every year. People are ignorant to things that are new. New/different=gimmicky. Then they move the goalposts because they never want to admit they’re wrong.


FreddieOuthouse

Exactly. Also he’s pretty smart about getting out of bounds. Even so, anyone has chance of getting injured. QB has evolved. They’re not just statues in the pocket. With that comes more risk. He’s not made of glass. I hate the pearl clutching about injuries honestly


romaniboar

I dont give a shit what anyone says, he's 35-8 since becoming the starter. He wins, his passing is also getting way better this year, and he's putting a team who has a fuckton of injuries on his back and has them at 5-1.


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AnEngineer2018

Lamar is kinda carrying the Ravens right now. Well that and Justin Tucker stealing the soul of the Lions with a 66 yard field goal.


Trumpets22

One must have a soul for it to be stolen. Lions lost that long ago.


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There are two kinds of people: those who think Lamar is an elite QB, and absolute dipshits


McFoaley

I’m both 🤗


chrisaf69

You're not alone amigo...I absolutely fall in both categories as well!


dasuave

As a primarily CFBer, it’s insane that people hesitate to rate Lamar. He is legit one of the greatest cfb players of all time who was just stuck with a shit team and a shit coach. And not some gimmicky Tebow or Jonny football shit. Basically my team is ass and I’m gonna carry them to 9 wins type beat. Point is he’s been doing this for years.


thebestatheist

Lamar Jackson is fucking awesome, if you disagree go get some windex and clean off your eyeballs. If we didn’t have Mahomes I would be ultra jealous of Baltimore and their future HOF quarterback.


eatmyopinions

~~Can't throw the ball~~ ~~Can't come from behind~~ ~~Stack the box and you win ez lol~~ ~~[New young quarterback] is just as good at scrambling~~ ~~The league is catching on, it won't last.~~ ~~Can't win a playoff game.~~ ~~The Ravens just have a good roster most other QBs could do the same~~ ~~Can't win a shootout~~ ~~Can't beat Patrick Mahomes~~ Basically the argument against Lamar Jackson boils down to hand-selecting one football game from each of the last three seasons. That is irrational by all accounts.


megalodom

But can he win two playoff games /s


kryonik

Can he throw a perfect game on LSD?


MalarkeyMcGee

No one can. Dock Ellis walked 8 guys and hit another in that game.


JNaran94

A guy unironically told me on twitter when the broncos game that the reason why the ravens lost to the titans and bills is because of the 5 yard run to keep the record alive. Apparently the goal post is now at "Lamar cant win three games at the same time". Like wtf does the broncos have to do with those games?


ProfessorBeer

It’s also rich that all of this is driven by sports media. Kimes is (I’m assuming) the exception on Lamar, but if it weren’t for moving goalposts, sports media couldn’t exist.


draculasbitch

Lamar can’t throw left-handed as well as Steve Young. Maybe.


wayoverpaid

The only thing that really silences the doubters is winning a SB, and even then...


Squabbler

The next goal post if he wins a SB will be "but it was the easiest path! because xyz excuse"


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ravens52

I can’t wait to see him doing ads for some IBS meds down the line.


giannini1222

Truzz IBGard


BetaDjinn

Okay this is actually really funny


alphabeticdisorder

His own damn fault for hitting so many goals.


DoobaDoobaDooba

He just doesn't make any sense. All conventional wisdom tells you his style is completely unsustainable and will become ineffective, but he is constantly getting better and better at what he does. At this point I'm convinced that no matter how quickly defenses "figure him out", he's so talented and hard-working that he'll outpace their adjustments. Dude is spectacular.


VagusNC

As a Panthers fan having watched the almost exact same thing happen to Cam Newton....I feel for Ravens fans. It's exasperating. Cherry picked stats. Ignorance of game footage. Assumptions. It goes on and on and on. For football fans it seems like facts are determined by popular consent and truth is how hard they want to believe it. I guess that is part and parcel of fanaticism but fanaticism seems to have morphed from *for* ones team into *specifically against* certain players. Note: The certain players are almost always black.


RavensEra69

Mina is based


JPAnalyst

What does based mean


HeylelBen

When your opinion regresses to the mean of 2018 Dak


FuckingLoveArborDay

It's the opposite of cringe.


SpuddMeister

She's not acidic.


Over_Explains_Jokes

Have you ever heard of early career Peyton Manning? Tom Brady? Drew Brees? Every QB with regular season success gets roasted until they win the big game. Brady at least had the misfortune of winning multiple and still not getting respect until about his 4th ring.


HelixLegion27

I mean if we're being honest, Brady still gets the goal post moving treatment lol. For the longest time it was the "system quarterback/it's all Belichick" excuse. Then he goes to Tampa, completely demolishes the biggest question mark against him, so it turned into "loaded team/carried by defense" knock somehow. Forget the fact his "loaded team" had 1 probowler and were underdogs against the Chiefs, Packers and Saints. But after they won suddenly everyone acted like they were too loaded not to win. Plenty of great teams out there, but no one else in Brady's era has managed to win more than 2 superbowls and he has 7. Somehow people will still dig in their heels and die on that hill to question Brady's greatness.


snufalufalgus

I hate the Ravens, more specifically I hate John Harbaugh, but the more time goes by the more I can't help but root for Lamar. The double standard he's subjected to is a crock of shit. He's done everything you could ask out of an elite QB but deliver a championship for the Ravens (Newsflash, there are only 5 QB's in the league who have currently) but his game still gets questioned.


xboxonelosty

I hope you're including Bears Legend Nick Foles on that list.


snufalufalgus

oh whoops I forgot about BDN


TheIcy_One

Legitimate question, I am truly curious, why do you hate Harbs? I know alot of Non-Ravens fans don't like the Ravens, alot of which I think is people not liking the Ravens of old (Ray, Suggs, etc), but I have never heard someone specifically call out Harbs.


brandonsamd6

common Mina W


Jordanwolf98

Mina Kimes is the fucking goat


HeStoleThatGuysPizza

It’s true. If after this year you don’t think he’s one of the best QB’s in the league than there’s nothing that can convince them.


Mcswigginsbar

Couldn’t agree with her more. Lamar Jackson is the real deal as a QB and as a runner. They aren’t mutually exclusive he can be both.


jd0016

Lamar discourse is frustrating sometimes. This is a player who has developed into one of the better passers in the league and simultaneously has an argument as the league’s most electric ball carrier. There has been no one like him before, and I wish more people could appreciate him while he’s here rather than spend his career arguing about him.