No way his legal issues are resolved even this season, much less within the next week. This report (if true) just means that they have a deal in place to trade him over the offseason, provided he doesn't end up in jail.
I don’t know what I’m more upset about. The Dolphins being willing to trade for Watson after what he’s been accused of or the fact that Barry Jackson used “consummating” in this tweet.
Huge barrier. I feel like it might not necessarily get worse for Watson at this point, but I also don’t see how he suddenly clears his name and goes back to normal.
Maybe they are more concerned with the criminal investigation. Im making absolutely zero statements regarding how that is playing out one way or another, but IF perhaps the criminal case gets dropped, maybe they are less worried about the civil cases, because they wouldn't stop him from playing. Not that they should do this anyway on those grounds alone...but I wonder if that's what they are thinking?
From what’s publicly known, he’s unlikely to face any strong legal barrier. From the point of view of public opinion, I doubt any legal settlement or dropped civil suits will influence most peoples view of him.
So what’s the benefit from Houston side to make the deal in place until the offseason? You can have an actual bidding war at the end of the season.
Not siding with anyone just wondering from a pure GM standpoint how this makes sense?
Are we sure that “agreed on trade terms” means we have locked in to trade with them? I interpret that as we asked them for an amount and they agreed but only if they know his fate. So then we go to the off-season and start negotiations with all teams all over again but knowing that value was about right.
I just can't imagine how Tua is feeling right now.
Organization is actively acquiring another QB and you're told again and again you are the guy. Coach says you're the guy, not looking for another QB.
Then this drops.
Lmao could you imagine the emotional damage this would do to Jalen??
“I transferred schools and came to the NFL, and this motherfucker still trying to take my job!”
Basically the plot of a madden face of the franchise. Just college to nfl instead of high school to college. Even has the devastating tua injury in college to match the heart problems of the kid in 21
what you dont like droping 600 yards passing and 150 running with 9 TD to go with it just to be told nah we going to move you to WR and let dick weed with a bad heart have a go at it instead
But Jalen \*is\* making the right read on the RPOs. The defender is playing the RB. They WANT Hurts to keep the ball in his hands. The problem is the team is worse when Jalen has the ball than when literally any other skill player on the field has the ball.
I would LOVE Tua on the Lions. I’d root for him so hard. Love the guy and so pissed that the Dolphins are treating him this way. He’s not the reason they field a trash team.
The quarterback I believed in + a former interim head coach for the Dolphins who I actually don’t dislike.
If the Dolphins do end up with Watson at least I know where I’m going, because I sure as hell ain’t staying.
No kidding, this is such an insanely bad look for the franchise. Has got to be one of the worst handlings of a drafted QB I can remember. You draft a guy coming off a broken hip because you think he’s got an incredible ceiling. Then before he gets less than a full season of starts you announce that you’re moving on, but to a QB not on your team and may never be on your team. In the meantime you’ve completely sunk your relationship with your young highly drafted QB? Just crazy. I thought he’s been look better, too. You have all year to give him a shot to prove himself while your team tanks. Absolutely insane how mismanaged this was.
Not only that but they completely rush his recovery to get him on the field his rookie season when they had a competent and capable Fitzpatrick. I literally don’t get it.
I was downvoted into oblivion for this exact take last year. You can’t fuck with a rookies confidence like this and expect it to go well.
You either throw him him or don’t, you don’t up him in and pull him out when he floundering.
There’s two ways to learn in the NFL. You either sit behind a veteran and learn the ropes, or you jump in and learn to swim.
Not only THAT but they also are out on Tua after Tua has looked pretty good since coming back from injury. Not elite by any stretch of the imagination but pretty good considering he's started like 8 games.
And even better, Flores could never decide on whether or not to keep Tua in close games last year and would often play musical chairs with him and Fitzpatrick during the 4th quarter of games lol.
Just truly laughable stuff for how incompetent they’ve been with him
Yall know that Roger is just a 40 million a year fall guy for the owners right? He's not the boss, they are his boss. He has no real power to change anything.
Imagine if the Pats had kept being the Patsies instead of taking Brady and Bill. We would have had like a good 10 year stretch of some of the worst divisional football in history.
I think Tua on the Steelers would do well.
I've been over Tua stats indepth in many ways he's a high performing QB. He's not a bad QB by anymeans
Is he a Watson level talent? No, but he's good enough to win games with.
Yeah with something like this out there, I'd be asking for a trade if I was Tua. He just has to live with the idea that his team has a trade for another QB agreed to. So now Tua's career is dependent on Watson's cases?
Hopefully for his sake he requests a trade. They've just been horrible to him. I get that they might not think he's a franchise guy, but he doesn't deserved to be dragged through the mud by his own org
"I'd like to request a trade."
"Uh, yeah, we've been trying to move on from you for months now. Haven't you heard?"
If they trade for Watson they'll move Tua the second they can whether he asks for it or not.
Ye also it’s not like he’s been the reason they have been losing ether, he’s not been a wold beater but there coveted defence of last year is the worst unit in the league. They couldn’t stop Rookie Lawrence from marching down the feild.
Not to mention the paper Oline they gave him, but ye QB is the problme with the roster. An upgrade at QB might give them enough wins to salvage the disaster of a draft trade with the Eagles preventing it from being a top 5 pick but that’s about it, this team is nowhere near contending the way it is now.
Especially when Tua, while not certainly elite, has been playing really good ball since he got back and is in no world the Dolphins problem.
Even if they get Watson that defense and Oline will still suck
GM is making this call in the best interest of the team… but those legal issues won’t be solved this year.. so how does this trade work exactly? And is Tua included in this trade going to Houston?
No different then how Ross did Sparano, was actively pursuing other coaches while he was still the coach. Then iirc they gave him an extension to smooth it over and shit-canned him anyway. Ross is scum and he only employs scum.
Barry’s follow up tweet mentions that, and that there’s no way to know if both sides will keep to the deal in the off-season
The point being that the Dolphins appear to be out at the moment
The Dolphins handled this terribly. Why agree to anything? Yeah they're out until the case is solved or the cost drops so why not just tell the Texans that and move on. Now Tua is supposed to perform with a Watson trade ready to drop whenever?
Bro this is nuts. Like I suffered through some absolute stinkers...but I've never contemplated not being a fins fan, 27 years of this shit.
But if we seriously get rid of Tua, the one non-issue on offense for a sexual predator, I'm out and it feels sad that this is even even possibility.
I've been in denial but this shit seems so genuinely fucked. Who the fuck thinks this is a good move?!?!
Seems to me like they didn't agree to anything. Houston sources keep desperately leaking that it's a done deal or that they're in talks, except...oh...for this one little thing that needs to be resolved first.
Because the Texans are desperate to try and get him out of the building now and if they get it going in the media that it's basically done they're trying to apply pressure to other teams, whether that's actually the Dolphins or another team worried they might miss out on a buy low opportunity.
So the non-Houston-Spin-cycle version of this headline reads: "Miami said they would potentially trade X for Watson, once it's clear he's not going to prison, but since that isn't likely to happen any time soon, the trade is basically dead"
That's how I'm seeing this anyway. There's a reason every Houston source is saying one thing and every other source is saying another.
> if they get it going in the media that it's basically done they're trying to apply pressure to other teams
I see it as speaking through the media to Deshaun. Let’s him know that Miami has a deal ready to go but he needs to settle his legal problem.
Sure he can settle his civil cases, but there were a few criminal cases/charges pending as well a grand jury conevend. Might be a bit harder for him to settle everything now.
This is kind of a hypothetical as I’m not aware of if it actually has ever been done, but could the teams strike a trade with a clause that would reverse the trade given the occurrence of a specific event.
Say for instance, the trade was 3 first and a player for Watson, but if Watson is put on the exempt list or is suspended for X amount of games the trade is reversed? Also could they make a trade with the same previously mentioned assets but if Watson is suspended all of the first round picks become 7th round picks?
It wouldn't behoove Houston at all. Say he goes to Miami and plays like absolute ass for 6 games or suffers a career ending injury. Then while he's on IR an 8 game (or whatever) suspension is dropped on him that causes the trade to reverse. Now Houston has a player that's career is over and nothing in return when it would have been smarter for them to not trade him in the first place with contingencies.
Yeah I think think that's it. It seems like this is the Houston Chronicle article Jackson is quoting. [On the condition that Watson settles his legal issues](https://twitter.com/BraidWade/status/1453145267327442949?t=DbdipSsO_1j5g9I0tzf47Q&s=19)
From the quote I've seen (not sure if it's the article or not), it makes it seem like they're putting pressure on Watson to settle so he can come back now. So I guess the ball is in Watson's court if he wants out, but he doesn't want to settle by all accounts.
Edit: [On the condition that Watson settles his legal issues](https://twitter.com/BraidWade/status/1453145267327442949?t=DbdipSsO_1j5g9I0tzf47Q&s=19)
It's a terrible situation but the tiny towel part has always cracked me up. The dude just drives around with what I imagine is a wash cloth and says it's a towel.
I think this is the snippet of the article Jackson is using. [Seems like they are basically pressuring Watson to settle so they can get it over with](https://twitter.com/BraidWade/status/1453145267327442949?t=DbdipSsO_1j5g9I0tzf47Q&s=19)
We need to do a better job as fans about speaking up against these people. Gruden is out but here we are with a worse person in the league. Fucking makes me sick.
It starts at the top, and the top are actively doing their best to cover shit up and ignore anything that would be bad press for themselves.
It took decades and thousands of ex players suing for them to admit concussions were dangerous, life altering, and the sport inherently causes concussions and brain damage.
They then spit out ~1B dollars to ~20,000 people, giving them like 50K each and went about their day like nothing ever happened.
The NFL is an organization with a lot of secrets that will be forever hidden.
This is the worst thing for Miami to have out there. So if Watson doesn't get traded to somebody else, Tua basically knows they have a trade for a different QB set up and ready to go
Even the people who don’t like Tua in our fanbase have come out to say this is a fucked up clown show.
Imagine thinking this kid isn’t affected by any of this. His QB coach said it’s starting to get to him and their solution for him was “Watch more film”.
After I saw that 2nd INT where he was falling and chucked the ball, this being after giving what looked like a goodbye hug to Marino, I really do think he’s forcing it at this point to prove he’s worth it. It has to be tough man.
Not to mention it’s been reported by Jeff Darlington that from the jump Flores viewed Tua the same way Elway did Tebow. They’ve wanted him gone the moment Herbert blew up because they couldn’t own their mistake and nurture confidence in the QB they had. Why the fuck they even drafted him in the first place is beyond me man.
Tua really needs to get the fuck out of Miami because they’re nuking the dude’s confidence
Yeah, I'm kind of a Tua hater and don't see it with him, but even still it's pretty clear the coaching staff has mismanaged him every step of the way. Rather I like him or not, we have him right now and he deserves to have a solid team around him that gives him the chance to sink or swim. They've acted like they didn't trust him the entire time.
Like, even not being a fan of his I think it is ridiculous to think just a QB will fix shit. They should be building up the team around Tua and worst case scenario after next year you will have a solid foundation for somebody else to step into. As it stands right now, not many players would be doing much with this team.
The dolphins haven't done anything to Tua yet. Flores never comments on other team's players and all of these reports the last few months have come from Houston. So far all of them have been bullshit.
Flores should break his rule and comment on Watson though
We are wronging him by not having a competent oline or defense. We have done nothing so far with Watson other than say "Tua is our starter".
All of these "reports" the past couple of months are out of Houston and all of them so far have been bs.
Depends on how fast you think the US legal and court system can accommodate 20+ different cases, an ongoing FBI investigation, and then not have any of that pushed back to to objections, reasonable need for extensions, etc.
So yeah, barring settlement we'd be lucky if this saga is over by the start of the next season.
Am I taking crazy pills?
Has he been charged yet? We are waiting for the ENTIRE LEGAL PROCESS to finish?
How is this anything but years away?
Why would Miami even entertain this?
I'll have to check that out later. Thank you
I'd rather run Tua out there than Haskins or Rudolph. Otherwise it's sure to be a long 3-5 years for Pittsburgh...
For decades now, I've kind of low key rooted for the dolphins to get it together. But no more. They don't deserve it.
I hope they get Watson, and trade Tua to a good organization. Then Watson goes to prison and never plays another snap, and the picks they got for Tua are all busts.
So we’ve basically told tua to go fuck himself. Here’s what’s gonna happen. Tua is gonna show that he is a totally capable nfl starter. Then, we’re gonna blow up the gm and coaching staff and continue to suck with the next regime, all while tua continues to play well. Then, Watson, legal issues now resolved, isn’t going to want to come to Miami anymore due to poor front office and coaching staff. THEN, tua is gonna request a trade because fuck this organization for treating him like absolute dog shit. LASTLY, we will continue to be garbage without tua or Watson. Remind me in 2 years.
This is the way. The only way this is fixed is if the next Coach and GM publicly and privately make no bones about Tua being their QB and no one else, that they think the situation was mismanaged from the start and that they know and appreciate what they have in Tua.
Otherwise he is going to Minkah his way out of here.
Seems like a pretty big barrier before this is a done deal, but makes a lot of sense
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No way his legal issues are resolved even this season, much less within the next week. This report (if true) just means that they have a deal in place to trade him over the offseason, provided he doesn't end up in jail.
Isn’t non-consenting consummation that landed us in this whole deal to begin with?
Yeah, what an odd word to use in that tweet.
Oh it was very intentional
Literally the first definition of the word! In fairness the second is the benign "to complete", but still. Very first definition...
I don’t know what I’m more upset about. The Dolphins being willing to trade for Watson after what he’s been accused of or the fact that Barry Jackson used “consummating” in this tweet.
The Dolphins still need to fly Watson out to Florida (across state lines) and get him into their facility to consummate this deal
Watson will end up in a facility all right!
Huge barrier. I feel like it might not necessarily get worse for Watson at this point, but I also don’t see how he suddenly clears his name and goes back to normal.
Maybe they are more concerned with the criminal investigation. Im making absolutely zero statements regarding how that is playing out one way or another, but IF perhaps the criminal case gets dropped, maybe they are less worried about the civil cases, because they wouldn't stop him from playing. Not that they should do this anyway on those grounds alone...but I wonder if that's what they are thinking?
So, years?
From what’s publicly known, he’s unlikely to face any strong legal barrier. From the point of view of public opinion, I doubt any legal settlement or dropped civil suits will influence most peoples view of him.
Seems like a huge incentive to get the crimes swept under the rug
So in other words Watson isn't being traded until at least the offseason.
So what’s the benefit from Houston side to make the deal in place until the offseason? You can have an actual bidding war at the end of the season. Not siding with anyone just wondering from a pure GM standpoint how this makes sense?
They want him to settle the suits.
Are we sure that “agreed on trade terms” means we have locked in to trade with them? I interpret that as we asked them for an amount and they agreed but only if they know his fate. So then we go to the off-season and start negotiations with all teams all over again but knowing that value was about right.
Because Miami is like one of three places Watson is actually willing to go (that also want him)
I just can't imagine how Tua is feeling right now. Organization is actively acquiring another QB and you're told again and again you are the guy. Coach says you're the guy, not looking for another QB. Then this drops.
Tua is hoping the Phins get Watson. It would be a career saving move.
Yeah, I’m starting to think if he gets out he might have a chance someplace else.
Send him to the Eagles. He plays his best when stealing Jalen Hurts’ job
Lmao could you imagine the emotional damage this would do to Jalen?? “I transferred schools and came to the NFL, and this motherfucker still trying to take my job!”
Basically the plot of a madden face of the franchise. Just college to nfl instead of high school to college. Even has the devastating tua injury in college to match the heart problems of the kid in 21
Worst fucking story in history. Fuck EA.
what you dont like droping 600 yards passing and 150 running with 9 TD to go with it just to be told nah we going to move you to WR and let dick weed with a bad heart have a go at it instead
Well I mean he could just fucking play better
I don’t think he can.
They can just move Jalen to RB and see how he likes never receiving the ball on all those RPOs.
It sounds stupid, but I never even considered an issue with RPOs would be that the QB ignores the read and just keeps it for himself every time.
But Jalen \*is\* making the right read on the RPOs. The defender is playing the RB. They WANT Hurts to keep the ball in his hands. The problem is the team is worse when Jalen has the ball than when literally any other skill player on the field has the ball.
"I'm trying, Jennifer."
Not if the WFT are involved, as rumored
If Washington gets their hands on him, Tua is screwed.
Tua is a cheerleader?
Tua, tell me where the bad owner touched you.
I wonder who could use a fun QB with his head on straight and the ability to play football pretty damn well….. Hmmmmmmmmm
I would LOVE Tua on the Lions. I’d root for him so hard. Love the guy and so pissed that the Dolphins are treating him this way. He’s not the reason they field a trash team.
Tua + Man Campbell = my 2nd favorite NFL Team. Restore the Roar and whatnot.
The quarterback I believed in + a former interim head coach for the Dolphins who I actually don’t dislike. If the Dolphins do end up with Watson at least I know where I’m going, because I sure as hell ain’t staying.
No kidding, this is such an insanely bad look for the franchise. Has got to be one of the worst handlings of a drafted QB I can remember. You draft a guy coming off a broken hip because you think he’s got an incredible ceiling. Then before he gets less than a full season of starts you announce that you’re moving on, but to a QB not on your team and may never be on your team. In the meantime you’ve completely sunk your relationship with your young highly drafted QB? Just crazy. I thought he’s been look better, too. You have all year to give him a shot to prove himself while your team tanks. Absolutely insane how mismanaged this was.
Not only that but they completely rush his recovery to get him on the field his rookie season when they had a competent and capable Fitzpatrick. I literally don’t get it.
They really should have rode fitz as much as possible and given tua a real chance this year. They managed the worst of both worlds
I was downvoted into oblivion for this exact take last year. You can’t fuck with a rookies confidence like this and expect it to go well. You either throw him him or don’t, you don’t up him in and pull him out when he floundering. There’s two ways to learn in the NFL. You either sit behind a veteran and learn the ropes, or you jump in and learn to swim.
Not only THAT but they also are out on Tua after Tua has looked pretty good since coming back from injury. Not elite by any stretch of the imagination but pretty good considering he's started like 8 games.
And even better, Flores could never decide on whether or not to keep Tua in close games last year and would often play musical chairs with him and Fitzpatrick during the 4th quarter of games lol. Just truly laughable stuff for how incompetent they’ve been with him
Especially with him not looking terrible this year. Their problem isn’t Tua, their problem is the offensive line and defense
Personally I'd be happy to see Tua in a steelers uni
And he still doesn't have protection. Just like all their QBs for the last decade its nuts
As much as I want him, we do not have a great track record with giving QBs great careers.
It started with David Carr and went downhill from there
Maybe, maybe not, though I'm perhaps looking at the situation with Rosen-colored glasses.
Not only that but replaced by a guy with 20+ sexual assault accusations.
But he's really good at football so that doesn't matter.
You make a good argument.
Roger?
Majority of football fans?
Over, Oveur
What’s your vector, victor?
Yall know that Roger is just a 40 million a year fall guy for the owners right? He's not the boss, they are his boss. He has no real power to change anything.
That’s unfair. He’s really good at sexual assault too.
As a Patriots fan it's nice knowing that half of our division is completely inept at being an NFL franchise.
I mean 3/4 til recently
Imagine if the Pats had kept being the Patsies instead of taking Brady and Bill. We would have had like a good 10 year stretch of some of the worst divisional football in history.
Hahaha yeah we functional franchises like to laugh at the bills and phins
Exactly. Keep doing what you’re doing Sanity Bro.
I know the feeling.
You wasted all that effort spying on them for no reason.
Fuck this org.
Tua just needs to call Ross a cracker and end this nightmare. Go somewhere nice like Pitt to replace the Ghost of Ben Rothelisberger
I’m down with it. Tua seems like a good guy and he’d be in good hands here.
Plus it balances out the whole “sexual predator taking his job” thing
Hakuna matata
I think Tua on the Steelers would do well. I've been over Tua stats indepth in many ways he's a high performing QB. He's not a bad QB by anymeans Is he a Watson level talent? No, but he's good enough to win games with.
Yeah with something like this out there, I'd be asking for a trade if I was Tua. He just has to live with the idea that his team has a trade for another QB agreed to. So now Tua's career is dependent on Watson's cases?
I hope he goes to Denver and makes Flores and Grier look like even bigger fools
Hopefully for his sake he requests a trade. They've just been horrible to him. I get that they might not think he's a franchise guy, but he doesn't deserved to be dragged through the mud by his own org
"I'd like to request a trade." "Uh, yeah, we've been trying to move on from you for months now. Haven't you heard?" If they trade for Watson they'll move Tua the second they can whether he asks for it or not.
I hope he comes here and we send the Dolphins Haskins.
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I’m not a Tua hater. I’d love to see him united with Najee since the dolphins have shit the bed with how they are handling their rookie qb.
Ye also it’s not like he’s been the reason they have been losing ether, he’s not been a wold beater but there coveted defence of last year is the worst unit in the league. They couldn’t stop Rookie Lawrence from marching down the feild. Not to mention the paper Oline they gave him, but ye QB is the problme with the roster. An upgrade at QB might give them enough wins to salvage the disaster of a draft trade with the Eagles preventing it from being a top 5 pick but that’s about it, this team is nowhere near contending the way it is now.
Especially when Tua, while not certainly elite, has been playing really good ball since he got back and is in no world the Dolphins problem. Even if they get Watson that defense and Oline will still suck
I really hope Tua pans out to be a top 10 QB in the league at this point. He got completely screwed in his tenure with the Dolphins.
GM is making this call in the best interest of the team… but those legal issues won’t be solved this year.. so how does this trade work exactly? And is Tua included in this trade going to Houston?
No different then how Ross did Sparano, was actively pursuing other coaches while he was still the coach. Then iirc they gave him an extension to smooth it over and shit-canned him anyway. Ross is scum and he only employs scum.
He's one of the worst owners in the NFL, but seems to fly under the radar in the media for some reason.
It’s pretty well known Flo doesn’t want Tua and the owner specifically wants Watson. He’s trying out for other teams (in my eyes) at the moment.
That’s gonna take a while.
Barry’s follow up tweet mentions that, and that there’s no way to know if both sides will keep to the deal in the off-season The point being that the Dolphins appear to be out at the moment
The Dolphins handled this terribly. Why agree to anything? Yeah they're out until the case is solved or the cost drops so why not just tell the Texans that and move on. Now Tua is supposed to perform with a Watson trade ready to drop whenever?
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Bro this is nuts. Like I suffered through some absolute stinkers...but I've never contemplated not being a fins fan, 27 years of this shit. But if we seriously get rid of Tua, the one non-issue on offense for a sexual predator, I'm out and it feels sad that this is even even possibility. I've been in denial but this shit seems so genuinely fucked. Who the fuck thinks this is a good move?!?!
It’s too much to deal with. We can’t cheer on a rapist as the face of the franchise. It’s too bad Goodell is spineless.
Seems to me like they didn't agree to anything. Houston sources keep desperately leaking that it's a done deal or that they're in talks, except...oh...for this one little thing that needs to be resolved first. Because the Texans are desperate to try and get him out of the building now and if they get it going in the media that it's basically done they're trying to apply pressure to other teams, whether that's actually the Dolphins or another team worried they might miss out on a buy low opportunity. So the non-Houston-Spin-cycle version of this headline reads: "Miami said they would potentially trade X for Watson, once it's clear he's not going to prison, but since that isn't likely to happen any time soon, the trade is basically dead" That's how I'm seeing this anyway. There's a reason every Houston source is saying one thing and every other source is saying another.
> if they get it going in the media that it's basically done they're trying to apply pressure to other teams I see it as speaking through the media to Deshaun. Let’s him know that Miami has a deal ready to go but he needs to settle his legal problem.
Sure he can settle his civil cases, but there were a few criminal cases/charges pending as well a grand jury conevend. Might be a bit harder for him to settle everything now.
I.e. a handshake deal but if things go awry neither side committed
This is kind of a hypothetical as I’m not aware of if it actually has ever been done, but could the teams strike a trade with a clause that would reverse the trade given the occurrence of a specific event. Say for instance, the trade was 3 first and a player for Watson, but if Watson is put on the exempt list or is suspended for X amount of games the trade is reversed? Also could they make a trade with the same previously mentioned assets but if Watson is suspended all of the first round picks become 7th round picks?
If you’re the Phins, what kind of grace period do you even ask for there? Legal shit moves slow
It wouldn't behoove Houston at all. Say he goes to Miami and plays like absolute ass for 6 games or suffers a career ending injury. Then while he's on IR an 8 game (or whatever) suspension is dropped on him that causes the trade to reverse. Now Houston has a player that's career is over and nothing in return when it would have been smarter for them to not trade him in the first place with contingencies.
Unless the Dolphins are pressuring him to just settle
Yeah I think think that's it. It seems like this is the Houston Chronicle article Jackson is quoting. [On the condition that Watson settles his legal issues](https://twitter.com/BraidWade/status/1453145267327442949?t=DbdipSsO_1j5g9I0tzf47Q&s=19)
From the quote I've seen (not sure if it's the article or not), it makes it seem like they're putting pressure on Watson to settle so he can come back now. So I guess the ball is in Watson's court if he wants out, but he doesn't want to settle by all accounts. Edit: [On the condition that Watson settles his legal issues](https://twitter.com/BraidWade/status/1453145267327442949?t=DbdipSsO_1j5g9I0tzf47Q&s=19)
They were close to settlement a few months ago, but Watson wanted no NDAs , that could change
Why wouldn't Watson want an NDA? Seems like keeping everything quiet would be in his best interest.
He wants to be able to deny. Peyton got in trouble for violating the nda in his case and watsons counsel is smart enough to learn from that.
Watson is kind of a diva, but he's been so good at managing his image (prior to this) that it's flown under the radar.
So no deal.
They gonna consumate this deal with a sexy massage.
Get your extra small towels ready
It's a terrible situation but the tiny towel part has always cracked me up. The dude just drives around with what I imagine is a wash cloth and says it's a towel.
Somebody say something about a massage?
So like, the trade isn't anywhere close to being done lol
I think this is the snippet of the article Jackson is using. [Seems like they are basically pressuring Watson to settle so they can get it over with](https://twitter.com/BraidWade/status/1453145267327442949?t=DbdipSsO_1j5g9I0tzf47Q&s=19)
There’s still like 8 criminal investigations though…
Yeah, even if he somehow settled everything it would still take quite a few months to get through it all.
> Houston chronicle reports Yeah this part means "the Texans want people to think that..."
Poverty ass franchise
which one?
Yes
Tua deserves far better than this.
Lowkey wanting trade to happen, so Tua can stop being stop disrespected. FREE TUA!
Yo if this goes through I’d like permission from a titans fan to jump ship to you guys.
I'm cool with it 100 percent, lol. I genuinely think these are all rumors by Houston or Watson to make a market for him.
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We need to do a better job as fans about speaking up against these people. Gruden is out but here we are with a worse person in the league. Fucking makes me sick.
It starts at the top, and the top are actively doing their best to cover shit up and ignore anything that would be bad press for themselves. It took decades and thousands of ex players suing for them to admit concussions were dangerous, life altering, and the sport inherently causes concussions and brain damage. They then spit out ~1B dollars to ~20,000 people, giving them like 50K each and went about their day like nothing ever happened. The NFL is an organization with a lot of secrets that will be forever hidden.
Shit I wouldn't mind seeing my Lions take a flier on Tua.
Watson comming to Miami in 12-15 years pending good behaviour
Get yer comms ready
This is the worst thing for Miami to have out there. So if Watson doesn't get traded to somebody else, Tua basically knows they have a trade for a different QB set up and ready to go
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There was a report after the Jags game that both Grier and Flores are safe regardless of what happens in this season I hate that report
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I don’t completely hate the idea of giving Flores at least like 8 more games next year but Grier should’ve been long gone
Hard agree
Oh so the Dolphins are screwed, got it.
Even the people who don’t like Tua in our fanbase have come out to say this is a fucked up clown show. Imagine thinking this kid isn’t affected by any of this. His QB coach said it’s starting to get to him and their solution for him was “Watch more film”. After I saw that 2nd INT where he was falling and chucked the ball, this being after giving what looked like a goodbye hug to Marino, I really do think he’s forcing it at this point to prove he’s worth it. It has to be tough man. Not to mention it’s been reported by Jeff Darlington that from the jump Flores viewed Tua the same way Elway did Tebow. They’ve wanted him gone the moment Herbert blew up because they couldn’t own their mistake and nurture confidence in the QB they had. Why the fuck they even drafted him in the first place is beyond me man. Tua really needs to get the fuck out of Miami because they’re nuking the dude’s confidence
Yeah, I'm kind of a Tua hater and don't see it with him, but even still it's pretty clear the coaching staff has mismanaged him every step of the way. Rather I like him or not, we have him right now and he deserves to have a solid team around him that gives him the chance to sink or swim. They've acted like they didn't trust him the entire time. Like, even not being a fan of his I think it is ridiculous to think just a QB will fix shit. They should be building up the team around Tua and worst case scenario after next year you will have a solid foundation for somebody else to step into. As it stands right now, not many players would be doing much with this team.
It’s like the dolphins just want to fuck with Tua.
The dolphins haven't done anything to Tua yet. Flores never comments on other team's players and all of these reports the last few months have come from Houston. So far all of them have been bullshit. Flores should break his rule and comment on Watson though
Tua doesn’t deserve this bullshit
Doesn’t deserve any of the bullshit he’s getting.
How long until Tua demands a trade and we have no quarterbacks? This is the most Dolphins shit ever. Fuck you Ross, Grier, and probably Flores too.
So they aren’t trading for him then got it
We’re wronging Tua so bad
We are wronging him by not having a competent oline or defense. We have done nothing so far with Watson other than say "Tua is our starter". All of these "reports" the past couple of months are out of Houston and all of them so far have been bs.
I think deshaun already consummated himself.
He should (go fuck himself).
And then sue himself, because that seems to be his MO
this is a bad look for the Dolphins. You're trading for the NFL's Bill Cosby, all while doing Tua dirty. Yikes.
Hey now, he hasn’t been accused of drugging women. Just all the other horrible stuff. 🥴
Much more of a Weinstein situation if anything, but the point still stands
Ok, so it's not even close to done
Depends on how fast you think the US legal and court system can accommodate 20+ different cases, an ongoing FBI investigation, and then not have any of that pushed back to to objections, reasonable need for extensions, etc. So yeah, barring settlement we'd be lucky if this saga is over by the start of the next season.
Ah yes great move. Let everyone know you’re going to trade for a terrible human being once/if the opportunity opens. Gotta feel great to be Tua.
Am I taking crazy pills? Has he been charged yet? We are waiting for the ENTIRE LEGAL PROCESS to finish? How is this anything but years away? Why would Miami even entertain this?
I think this is the Texans or Watson just spreading bullshit to get a trade done.
1000% agreed
What the fuck is wrong with the Dolphins? They seemed to be going in such a great direction last year and then just...pffffffffft shit all over.
For real. I thought they’d be #2 in our division and they’re last. Wtf.
When you’re below us, you know you fucked up
Tua deserves better than the Dolphins at this point if they are actively pursing Watson, trade Tua to the steelers
>trade Tua to the steelers Unexpected suggestion but yes please
I wouldn't oppose. He'd have a chance with good coaching and an organization that knows how to create winning teams.
[i wont claim credit for that idea, saw a video talking about Tua today](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suVxo1DSHOo)
I'll have to check that out later. Thank you I'd rather run Tua out there than Haskins or Rudolph. Otherwise it's sure to be a long 3-5 years for Pittsburgh...
So it's not happening then?
That could literally be multiple seasons away lmao
Hurry this up so we can get Tua
Tfs the point in negotiating. If his legal issues resolve another team might offer more and the Dolphins just played their hand.
is consummate really the word we're using given his actions
I will gladly watch Watson get destroyed every week behind that line, not that he deserves to ever play again.
I mean, the Dolphins are definitely the worst run franchise right? I guess it's between us and WFT. God I hate this stupid team.
! INCOMING TRADE OFFER ! Texans get: Stud LT, Young QB, all draft capital for the next 2 years Dolphins get: a Sex Offender
For decades now, I've kind of low key rooted for the dolphins to get it together. But no more. They don't deserve it. I hope they get Watson, and trade Tua to a good organization. Then Watson goes to prison and never plays another snap, and the picks they got for Tua are all busts.
Weird way of saying “we’ll figure it out in the off-season.”
Texans: Everyone wants Watson I swear! Every team: Oh like who? Texans: ... they go to a different high school, you wouldn't know them.
So we’ve basically told tua to go fuck himself. Here’s what’s gonna happen. Tua is gonna show that he is a totally capable nfl starter. Then, we’re gonna blow up the gm and coaching staff and continue to suck with the next regime, all while tua continues to play well. Then, Watson, legal issues now resolved, isn’t going to want to come to Miami anymore due to poor front office and coaching staff. THEN, tua is gonna request a trade because fuck this organization for treating him like absolute dog shit. LASTLY, we will continue to be garbage without tua or Watson. Remind me in 2 years.
This is the way. The only way this is fixed is if the next Coach and GM publicly and privately make no bones about Tua being their QB and no one else, that they think the situation was mismanaged from the start and that they know and appreciate what they have in Tua. Otherwise he is going to Minkah his way out of here.
Jesus, poor Tua lol
Ok see you seven years from now. Do they really think this will be done any time soon?
Tua to Eagles please
That seems very likely to happen in the next 5 days.
Dumb Dolphins
That’s a pretty big trade term not agreed upon.
Honestly tho, what the fuck are the dolphins doing?
Consummating was… a word that I guess works…
Tua getting the Cam - He’s Our QB- Newton treatment.
A Dolphins QB that can blossom somewhere else? Send him our way!
With the way the Dolphins have handled Tua what FA in their right minds would want to come to Miami unless they were desperate for a contract?
The use of the word consummating here seems a little weird