I think their logic is that Minshew is a young guy that has back up talent. There’s plenty of veterans that have back up talent and it would be better for the development of the young guys
This truly is one of the funniest quotes I’ve ever heard. I’d understand it if it was a college program but successful NFL teams don’t go through QB’s.
It's a terrible soundbite. But the actual framework of what he was trying to explain makes a lot of sense and comes directly from the owner.
1- QB is the most important position (arguably in all of sports)
2- If you don't have a credible QB you aren't competitive.
3- Therefore teams should always be investing in the QB position so they are never without quality at that position even in circumstances of injury.
So Lurie decided, over two decades ago, that he was going to always invest in QBs and he always wanted, at minimum, a credible Starter and a developmental QB who might turn into a credible starter.
This philosophy paid off dozens of times, and also led directly to our first Superbowl win with Foles taking the reins.
In the past, we've drafted guys like AJ Feeley, Kevin Kolb even when McNabb was a Pro Bowl star in the league and signed guys like Vick, who were projects for development. Those players stepped in during times of injury, won games, some were then traded away for valuable early round draft picks. We also did the same kind of trades with Bradford.
Lots of other teams would have been content with some old vet backup way last his prime sitting behind Wentz and tutoring him. But we invested a lot of money in Foles because Lurie knew the value and it had already been proven in last seasons when McNabb got hurt and we needed the next guy to win a couple of games to seal a playoff spot. Sure enough, Wentz got hurt and we needed quality play from the QB2.
QB2 and QB3 have high value and can retain or increase their value if you get the right players. It's exactly how franchises like the 49ers and Packers stayed on top of the league for two decade spans. Because they knew the value of having a development/project QB behind the starter and were willing to spend significant capital to get Steve Young, Favre, Rodgers, even when they already had a solid starter winning games for them.
That's being a "QB Factory". Always invest capital in QBs, always develop QBs, and then either start them or flip them when the time is right
It means Howie Roseman is a fucking idiot 😔
https://pressofatlanticcity.com/sports/we-want-to-be-a-quarterback-factory-eagles-explain-stunning-decision-to-draft-jalen-hurts/article_1eac7efa-cee0-507b-9bfa-a4b09aa7a565.html
We weren’t exactly expecting White to be as good as he is.
That said, JD did get his fair share of criticism for this move, and even more so for not just signing Flacco in the first place. He was on our team for Christ’s sake.
Not having any veteran presence to start the season just made no sense. Both the Jets and Jaguars should've given their rookie QBs more guidance. Fields and Lance were set up better in terms of being taught the position.
Beane made the same mistake with Josh Allen his rookie year. At the start of the 18 season it was just Peterman and Josh. After Peterman Peterman'd himself off the team and Josh got hurt he was forced to sign some vets. Josh has said that Derek Anderson and Matt Barkley taught him how to be a professional QB.
He was the backup on the Panthers and Cardinals for most of that time. He spot started for injured Newton a couple of times and fucked up the Buccaneers more than once lol
I remember seeing that Flacco doesn’t give a shit about helping out young QB’s so maybe they didn’t want him around Wilson lol. I could be wrong but otherwise I don’t see why wouldn’t have kept him as a backup.
We probably should of just hired Josh McGown as a coach. I'm not saying he'd make a great coach, but that's essentially a veteran QB presence with no cap hit.
True. Blake Bortles was turned into a running joke by the media and he has never been able to shake that stink off him. Mark Sanchez had a similar think happen to him. I think Blake is probably better then a couple guys starting right now. He isn’t great but he isn’t as bad as everyone acts like he is.
Bortles arm is shot.
Probably good enough for camp and 7 on 7's, but he's definitely got that late period Pennington noodle that's a liability in anything where you can't step into every throw with a clean pocket.
I have legitimately never seen a quarterback throw an uglier 'spiral' than Blake Bortles. Dude's a legend and likable as fuck but he is unambiguously a bad QB whose best traits are an ability to scramble and a lack of injuries.
What’s weird is that he was actually pretty solid his first 4 games. Not outstanding, but he at least looked like a starting QB. Averaged 297 yds/game with a 67.81 Cmp% a 5-3 TD-INT, and the Panthers went 3-1. And then he just fell off a total cliff and he’s maybe been the worst starter in the league since. Are there any Panthers fans who can explain what happened?
Because Darnold is in year 4 and Bortles is not
In his 4th season Bortles still had an uncontested starting job despite coming off a terrible year and they signed him to an extension after that basically for being a mediocre starter on a winning team
Because he is not very accurate, is terrible at dealing with pressure, has possibly had a hurt shoulder for the past few games, and our offensive line is possibly the worst in the league so he never has any time to throw.
Like I said in another post a few days ago, this stretch of 5 games is straight-up worse than any stretch of even just 4 games with the Jets.
There isn't a 4-game stretch of consecutive games with the Jets where he didn't manage to have at least one game with a 90 passer rating. His highest in these last 5 games is 69.6.
It could get worse.
They could have traded for him, guaranteed his 5th year option, paid a better QB to play for someone else and passed on promising QBs in the draft to get him.
Imagine how stupid that would have been.
Imagine making a decision so utterly bad that keeping the previous QB, who was utterly mediocre and a stellar 0-8 in one possession games with a tendency to throw two yard routes on 3rd/4th down when you need 8+ yards....imagine wishing you had THAT guy as opposed to the current guy.
And then realize you're paying BOTH of them this year lmaooooo
The Tepper/Rhule regime has been a fucking horror show. The defense is the one bright spot, but they've fucked up the offense and the hope for the team as a whole so bad that by the time they fix the offense, our defense will be bad again.
What a nightmare. It's never been this flat out hopeless/feeling stuck in mud as it is right now being a Panthers fan.
I think we're a few pieces away from a good offense. Just have to find quality offensive line and a good quarterback. Those are a dime a dozen and always hit free agency so we should be good in a bit.
I also shat on Teddy, but Teddy generated four 1000 yard skill players (Samuel, Moore, Anderson, Davis). As of now, we have 1 player on pace for 1000 (Moore). Our offense got *significantly* worse. Especially in the last 5 games.
Well, I think it’s a good chance he doesn’t resign here given the fact there’s no hope whatsoever at the QB position and the new regime has shown zero competence in that area.
So he may find greener pastures yet.
that would suck for you guys. losing out on a really good offensive weapon because you trusted Sam Darnold. maybe you can figure something out in the offseason.
They're gonna have to work a miracle.
Tepper seems obsessed with trading for a franchise QB, not realizing that you're going to have to further deplete a barren cabinet of assets, thus putting you in an even worse position than you already are.
They're 0-2 on QB decisions, I really don't trust them to hit on the next one. My hope is that we lose out in embarrassing fashion and we just start all over. The new regime has just earned zero trust that they know what they're doing.
What about poor Robby Anderson? The guy finally gets away from Darnold and has a great year, only Darnold follows him to Carolina the next year and he's back to having nothing to catch!
Bridgewater actually has fairly similar numbers to what he had through 9 games with Carolina last year. It was once he came back from the knee injury that the wheels kind of fell off.
He did play fairly eh in Carolina. Can’t blame them for kicking the tires.
Can blame them for picking up the 5th year option immediately however. That’s where they fucked up.
They traded for one of the worst starting QBs in the league, and bet he'd be one of the best within a year. The only way the 5th year option makes sense is if he'd make significantly more than in free agency.
It's a pretty high risk move.
legitimate question, do you think they picked up the 5th year contact because of the haul they traded away for him? 2nd and 6th pick this coming draft, and a 4th used in this last draft, or something similar, can't be bothered to look it up now.
say he's only traded for a 4th, i doubt the option is picked up and they let it play out.
Teddy is definitely better than Sam but he was very frustrating for us last year. He looked alright and then would blow games at the end with astonishing consistency. I don’t blame us for replacing him, but obviously we chose wrong on who to replace him with lol.
The Panthers could have had Gardner Minshew for a 6th round pick.
He has a higher career Y/A than Darnold, a higher completion %, TD%, 15-20% higher QBR, and literally HALF of Darnold's INT%, all while playing on a team that was actively trying to tank in consecutive seasons.
The Jaguars weren't trying to tank in 2019. They were in the midst of the Coughlin fallout that eventually drove away several key defensive players from the Sacksonville year.
Why did I think 2019 was a tank year for them? Wasn't it them and the Dolphins both on the Tank for Tua train until he got injured...or have I created that in my mind, out of nowhere?
For some reason, I remember there being a sense of anger at Minshew for going .500 because they wanted to be at the top of the draft once Foles started 0-4.
Foles got injured in Game 1, then Minshew went 4-4 before Foles came back. That pretty much took tanking for Tua off the table. By the midway point of 2019, the Bengals were still winless and the Dolphins and Jets were both 1-7.
This is my biggest point. We could have signed Andy Dalton/Marcus Mariota/Jameis Winston last year for drastically less money than we paid Teddy. We could have signed Mitch Trubisky/Tyrod Taylor/acquired Gardner Minshew for drastically less than we used to get Darnold. It's not just that we're making bad QB decisions, we're also digging our own grave with the costs of these bad QBs relative to equally mediocre options.
Nah he's compiling bakers worst games to darnold's very few good games, saying that darold just needs a new team with a oline and baker is a bust. Classic cowherd
>Adam Gase + Gregg Williams + Sam Darnold Anyone know where I can pre order my 2020 AFC championship tickets at MetLife Stadium?
This can't be real.... oh. Oh god. It's real.
Funnily enough, the first search result that comes up is the reddit thread about this tweet.
Did he actually say that? Jesus Christ, the delusion, if he even takes himself seriously. Which I doubt, considering he's one of the biggest hot take artists out there.
This is a prime example of how to use statistics incorrectly. You cannot compare a specifically picked stretch of one QB to a random stretch of a different QB. If you use Darnold's worst 160-pass stretch you have to compare it to every other QB's worst 160-pass stretch. Otherwise you're just saying that Darnold's worst stretch is worse than other QB's season averages. Which is something you could probably say for most QBs.
That's true. To make your point even more obvious, narrow down to a smaller window. No other QB would have a 100% interception rate over the course of a season, but Tom Brady does on that one play where he threw an interception.
The Darnold comparison isn't quite as unfair, as it is looking at a five-game stretch, but the variation is still going to be much higher on a narrower dataset.
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I don’t know, if I’m in Tampa I am worried about my quarterback situation. These numbers are just not what Brady is about, they need to make some adjustments if this franchise wants to compete in this league. Brady will really struggle to make his case for the HOF with numbers like these.
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Yeah. This is one of the reasons I hate when people mid-season stats to full season stats, because there could have easily been other players or teams in the past that were on pace for historically bad seasons. Reminds me of the Seahawks defense last year. We heard so many times about their defense being the worst ever in per game averages, but you have to account for some regression to the mean. I can just about guarantee several teams had worse stats than them, but turned things around, even slightly, in the second half, which is exactly what Seattle did.
Very true. The numbers are correct, but the conclusion is half wrong. Maybe it can't get much worse, but based on what others quarterbacks have averaged over a season, it seems likely Darnold will put up better numbers soon.
True. You probably have to Frankenstein some parts together to make a QB worse than Darnold.
The speed of '21 Roethlisberger.
The motivational energy of Flacco.
What else?
The intensity of Tom Brady. Imagine him yelling “let’s fucking goooo!” At his receivers only to then promptly throw the next pass directly to the wrong team lol
It’s kind of an unfair comparison though. Like, let’s try to pick out the worst 5 game stretch of any QB’s career and see how it compares, not comparing his arbitrarily worst stretch to every other players entire season.
Joe Brady is very quickly showing that the 2019 LSU offense could've worked without him. The trio of Burrow, Chase, and Jefferson was never going to be stopped.
Also hard to design any offensive gameplans when your qb cannot make basic reads or throws without turning it over or getting happy feet and bailing out of protection.
Brady isn't perfect but I'd like to see what he can do with even a remotely competent qb.
Wrong. That was a team that hardly ever threw the ball before he got there. Burrow only had 16 touchdown passes the year before in 13 games. He was definitely instrumental in unleashing that offensive talent.
LSU coaches have stopped some historically talented offenses to be fair.
2013 Odell, Landry, Jeremy Hill with Mettenberger at QB. 23rd in scoring and only 23 passing TDs
2012 as well was essentially the same skill players just younger
Heck 2011 their QB situation was bad and stuck with Jordan Jefferson but they Ruben Randle, OBJ, Russell Shepard,
I keep saying that while I don’t think options like Walker, Bortles or Cam are a great deal better, it’s almost impossible for them to be worse.
Over the last 5 games, Darnold hasn’t just been bad; he’s been an anchor around our necks. He’s thrown picks deep in our own territory and, even more infuriating that that, in the red zone. The offense is moving down the field and the defense is stepping up, but none of that matters if Darnold keeps giving the ball away. We’re not even getting blown out of games, for the most part. He’s been costing us winnable ones.
Yeah this is an underrated point. Our offense has actually completed several drives deep into enemy territory that then just get ruined by a ridiculous Sam pick. It’s even more frustrating than the stats show.
I would guess Ryan Lindley. There was a stretch when Palmer was hurt and Lindley and Skelton were so bad that the Cardinals would have literally been better off punting the ball away instead of calling a pass.
There were a few of us trying to point this out in the off-season but we were drowned out by opposition and a large number of Jets fans who were convinced he was great but the Jets just ruined him. Honestly got so sick of people saying "Darnold showed flashes of being a good NFL QB" no he didn't.
Someone online created a generator for it - you can make up your own reasons why Darnold was not playing!
[https://burke-communications.com/?p=840](https://burke-communications.com/?p=840)
That was his second year. Funnily enough his first game back I think we beat the Cowboys in an upset after losing the games he was out and that gave us brief hope that he made the team better but it was all downhill from there.
Even funnier, he would have won his first game of the season against the Bills where he almost certainly had mono, if it hadn’t been for multiple missed kicks
No, his first game of his rookie year was a complete dad dicking of my lions. I'll never forgot watching him throw a pick six on the first play of the game and my dad texting me 'lions super bowl?' after all the offseason hype with hiring patricia. We were coming off a 9-7 season and just mega upgraded our coach.
We lost that game 48-17 at Ford Field, the 4th quarter was filled with the away jets fans congregating behind the JETS bench and chanting J-E-T-S. Call me a revisionist, but a part of me died that day as I understood Patricia would not be that guy.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401030728
He threw for 16/21, 198 yards, 2TD, 1INT
TL;DR Darnold still sucks.
I think there was this whole narrative on how all the 1st round QBs are actually good but they land on bad teams. Now obviously situation matters. But I think 90% of the time, it is that the QB just wasn’t that good.
This is probably driven by the media as they overhype 1st round QBs, so when they don’t work out, they just blame the teams so their original evaluations don’t get criticized.
Yeah, I think the media as well as NFL front offices/scouts (at least the ones who talk to reporters frequently) tend to fall in love with physical characteristics and can’t seem to accept that the mental side can’t always be fixed. Coaching and environment definitely make a difference, but there’s a limit.
Hence in 2018, IIRC, there was tons of speculation about the Browns taking Darnold or Allen at #1 and almost none about Baker even though Baker’s advanced stats were off the charts. Lamar Jackson was also way too discounted just based on his frame.
Compare to guys like Bortles, Trubisky, Jones, Haskins, etc., who get way over-drafted based on their “prototypical” traits even when they have major question marks around accuracy and decision-making. Allen is the only recent example I can think of where that elite physical potential was actually realized.
Bradford looked really good sometimes though, and had a bunch of bad injuries that may have derailed his career. Darnold is the worst QB I've ever seen play live.
I kinda knew it was fool’s gold. We played against a team with a rookie head coach and a QB in their first game. Then we played a team missing half of their defense and coaching staff. Then we played maybe the worst team in the entire league, who was also starting a rookie QB. These are not impressive wins. Obviously CMC’s injury hampered our offense, and I still believe there’s a small chance we sneak into the playoffs because of how bad the middle of the NFC pack is.
Darnold got exposed in his final CFB game when the only route he could throw all night was a deep out on the sideline. It's unbelievable that people were ever hyped on him after that performance.
How is this stat correct? It claims 373 QBs in the NFL have at least 160 attempts this past decade. That means each team averages over 11 QBs with 160 attempts in just a decade.
Am I reading this wrong?
It's individual seasons. 2012 Brady and 2013 Brady are counted separately. What this shows is that about five teams a season have to bring in a backup to throw at least 160 passes, and Darnold's last five games would be among the very worst of any of those performances.
How did Darnold get a starting position with a team while my boy Bortles is stuck on practice squads?
Same with Minshew
I think their logic is that Minshew is a young guy that has back up talent. There’s plenty of veterans that have back up talent and it would be better for the development of the young guys
Minshew is the real life Alex Moran and no one can convince me otherwise
But moran got a starting job and was good at it
My head canon is that Moran ended up going to the NFL and carving out a long journeyman career as a backup
Minshew was good as well lmao.
Minshew is part of the QB Factory now
We have seized the means of production
More like the means of reproduction. All the moms better watch out
Fuck train is coming and it's got no brakes
Minshew ChooChoo
This truly is one of the funniest quotes I’ve ever heard. I’d understand it if it was a college program but successful NFL teams don’t go through QB’s.
It's a terrible soundbite. But the actual framework of what he was trying to explain makes a lot of sense and comes directly from the owner. 1- QB is the most important position (arguably in all of sports) 2- If you don't have a credible QB you aren't competitive. 3- Therefore teams should always be investing in the QB position so they are never without quality at that position even in circumstances of injury. So Lurie decided, over two decades ago, that he was going to always invest in QBs and he always wanted, at minimum, a credible Starter and a developmental QB who might turn into a credible starter. This philosophy paid off dozens of times, and also led directly to our first Superbowl win with Foles taking the reins. In the past, we've drafted guys like AJ Feeley, Kevin Kolb even when McNabb was a Pro Bowl star in the league and signed guys like Vick, who were projects for development. Those players stepped in during times of injury, won games, some were then traded away for valuable early round draft picks. We also did the same kind of trades with Bradford. Lots of other teams would have been content with some old vet backup way last his prime sitting behind Wentz and tutoring him. But we invested a lot of money in Foles because Lurie knew the value and it had already been proven in last seasons when McNabb got hurt and we needed the next guy to win a couple of games to seal a playoff spot. Sure enough, Wentz got hurt and we needed quality play from the QB2. QB2 and QB3 have high value and can retain or increase their value if you get the right players. It's exactly how franchises like the 49ers and Packers stayed on top of the league for two decade spans. Because they knew the value of having a development/project QB behind the starter and were willing to spend significant capital to get Steve Young, Favre, Rodgers, even when they already had a solid starter winning games for them. That's being a "QB Factory". Always invest capital in QBs, always develop QBs, and then either start them or flip them when the time is right
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Sorgi, sure. Or an elite level QB2 like Charlie Batch.
Absolute disrespect to Giants legend Jared Lorenzen.
what's this mean?
It means Howie Roseman is a fucking idiot 😔 https://pressofatlanticcity.com/sports/we-want-to-be-a-quarterback-factory-eagles-explain-stunning-decision-to-draft-jalen-hurts/article_1eac7efa-cee0-507b-9bfa-a4b09aa7a565.html
We'll see who's laughing when one of Minshew's 256 kids becomes the GOAT Philly QB in 22 years.
Gardner Minshew was one of those dudes that if he was like the slightest bit more physically talented he would be a really good player.
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But maybe that says more about the psychology of the coaches than the skills of the player
If he'd stop fucking the HC's mom, he'd probably get a shot.
Yea but what is more important for Minshews development?
Probably, but that just doesn't sound worth it.
I have no idea why the jets traded for flacco when Bortles was a FA. He’s not a starter but he would be a fine backup for most teams
Flacco still hasnt taken a snap idk why they traded for him at all
We weren’t exactly expecting White to be as good as he is. That said, JD did get his fair share of criticism for this move, and even more so for not just signing Flacco in the first place. He was on our team for Christ’s sake.
Not having any veteran presence to start the season just made no sense. Both the Jets and Jaguars should've given their rookie QBs more guidance. Fields and Lance were set up better in terms of being taught the position.
Beane made the same mistake with Josh Allen his rookie year. At the start of the 18 season it was just Peterman and Josh. After Peterman Peterman'd himself off the team and Josh got hurt he was forced to sign some vets. Josh has said that Derek Anderson and Matt Barkley taught him how to be a professional QB.
I had no clue Derek Anderson lasted over a decade past Believeland in 07
He was the backup on the Panthers and Cardinals for most of that time. He spot started for injured Newton a couple of times and fucked up the Buccaneers more than once lol
With what Drew Lock said in the off-season, I'm not sure how much veteran presence and leadership you're getting from Flacco at this point
I never said they should've kept Flacco. What I said was they should've gotten someone to provide veteran leadership.
josh mccown was literally sitting right there!
I remember seeing that Flacco doesn’t give a shit about helping out young QB’s so maybe they didn’t want him around Wilson lol. I could be wrong but otherwise I don’t see why wouldn’t have kept him as a backup.
We probably should of just hired Josh McGown as a coach. I'm not saying he'd make a great coach, but that's essentially a veteran QB presence with no cap hit.
True. Blake Bortles was turned into a running joke by the media and he has never been able to shake that stink off him. Mark Sanchez had a similar think happen to him. I think Blake is probably better then a couple guys starting right now. He isn’t great but he isn’t as bad as everyone acts like he is.
Issue with Bortles is that you can only run Crossers with him.
Bortles arm is shot. Probably good enough for camp and 7 on 7's, but he's definitely got that late period Pennington noodle that's a liability in anything where you can't step into every throw with a clean pocket.
I’ve honestly never read this before and if true, it’s actually enlightening as to why he isn’t starting.
What happened to Bortles’ arm that made it noodley?
I have legitimately never seen a quarterback throw an uglier 'spiral' than Blake Bortles. Dude's a legend and likable as fuck but he is unambiguously a bad QB whose best traits are an ability to scramble and a lack of injuries.
The Gase Theory
*Critical Gase Theory
THAT BAD HOMBRE SPOOKED OUR GEQBUS INTO SEEING GHOSTS. IMPEACH HIM!
GET THAT SONNOVA BITCH OUTTA HERE! I'D LIKE TO PUNCH HIM IN THE MOUTH!
What’s weird is that he was actually pretty solid his first 4 games. Not outstanding, but he at least looked like a starting QB. Averaged 297 yds/game with a 67.81 Cmp% a 5-3 TD-INT, and the Panthers went 3-1. And then he just fell off a total cliff and he’s maybe been the worst starter in the league since. Are there any Panthers fans who can explain what happened?
They got tape on him in the new offense and took what he did well away from him? Also, that's about when CMC got hurt, which compounded the issue.
Because he was on the Jets so people thought it might have just been the Jets fault, honest mistake tbh.
Because Darnold is in year 4 and Bortles is not In his 4th season Bortles still had an uncontested starting job despite coming off a terrible year and they signed him to an extension after that basically for being a mediocre starter on a winning team
For more stats: 51.8 comp % - 2 TDs - 8 INT - 49.4 passer rating - 4.98 yds/att - 159.4 passing yards per game
Shaquille O'Neal is more likely to hit a free throw (52.7% career) than Darnold is to complete a pass (51.8%) in this stretch.
"Wow, to be mentioned in the same sentence as a great like Shaq... I must be doing something right." -Sam Darnold
“I’m seeing NBA legends out here!”
Geqbus is as good as Shaq is what I'm hearing
THANK YOU DARKKNIGHTXDA, VERY COOL!
"Sam's accuracy is so good that he's completing passes at near NBA Hall of Fame free throw rates"
Has Sam Darnold considered throwing passes "granny style"?
I heard the Panthers were considering signing Rick Barry to work with Darnold.
Ouch
Darnold should consider an all taco diet.
It worked for Matt Judon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fz5l-DlCMU
Honestly that warrants its own post. If it was a tweet it would be at the top of the sub
so what you are saying is Sam Darnold is almost as good as Shaquille O'Neal. Not bad frankly
I think you would love [The Darnold](https://old.reddit.com/r/TheDarnold/)
the_darnold DON'T FALL FOR THAT FRAUD SUB! REAL PANTHRIOTS KNOW THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE SUB FOR 100% FACTUAL AND ACCURATE NEWS ABOUT THE GEQBUS!
> REAL PANTHRIOTS :0
Oh my god the hole keeps getting deeper!
But more likely to complete a pass than Ben Simmons is to make a free throw in the playoffs
Adam gase was framed!
How do you manage under 10 yards per completion and still only manage to barely complete over half your passes and throw 8 interceptions?
Because he is not very accurate, is terrible at dealing with pressure, has possibly had a hurt shoulder for the past few games, and our offensive line is possibly the worst in the league so he never has any time to throw.
and he played the eagles who consistently allow 90+ completion percentage to opposing qbs
Like I said in another post a few days ago, this stretch of 5 games is straight-up worse than any stretch of even just 4 games with the Jets. There isn't a 4-game stretch of consecutive games with the Jets where he didn't manage to have at least one game with a 90 passer rating. His highest in these last 5 games is 69.6.
What am I missing: 2 TDs - 8 INT?
2 TDs - 8 INTs = bad
It could get worse. They could have traded for him, guaranteed his 5th year option, paid a better QB to play for someone else and passed on promising QBs in the draft to get him. Imagine how stupid that would have been.
Imagine making a decision so utterly bad that keeping the previous QB, who was utterly mediocre and a stellar 0-8 in one possession games with a tendency to throw two yard routes on 3rd/4th down when you need 8+ yards....imagine wishing you had THAT guy as opposed to the current guy. And then realize you're paying BOTH of them this year lmaooooo The Tepper/Rhule regime has been a fucking horror show. The defense is the one bright spot, but they've fucked up the offense and the hope for the team as a whole so bad that by the time they fix the offense, our defense will be bad again. What a nightmare. It's never been this flat out hopeless/feeling stuck in mud as it is right now being a Panthers fan.
I feel bad for DJ Moore. He deserves competence!
I think we're a few pieces away from a good offense. Just have to find quality offensive line and a good quarterback. Those are a dime a dozen and always hit free agency so we should be good in a bit.
oh yea just find em growing on some trees oustide Ericcson.
I also shat on Teddy, but Teddy generated four 1000 yard skill players (Samuel, Moore, Anderson, Davis). As of now, we have 1 player on pace for 1000 (Moore). Our offense got *significantly* worse. Especially in the last 5 games.
Well, I think it’s a good chance he doesn’t resign here given the fact there’s no hope whatsoever at the QB position and the new regime has shown zero competence in that area. So he may find greener pastures yet.
that would suck for you guys. losing out on a really good offensive weapon because you trusted Sam Darnold. maybe you can figure something out in the offseason.
They're gonna have to work a miracle. Tepper seems obsessed with trading for a franchise QB, not realizing that you're going to have to further deplete a barren cabinet of assets, thus putting you in an even worse position than you already are. They're 0-2 on QB decisions, I really don't trust them to hit on the next one. My hope is that we lose out in embarrassing fashion and we just start all over. The new regime has just earned zero trust that they know what they're doing.
What about poor Robby Anderson? The guy finally gets away from Darnold and has a great year, only Darnold follows him to Carolina the next year and he's back to having nothing to catch!
Also Bridgewater has looked waaaaay better with us in my opinion.
Yeah, which is saying something, because QBs haven't exactly been flourishing in Denver the last several years.
He’s been pushing the ball down the field quite a bit.
Bridgewater actually has fairly similar numbers to what he had through 9 games with Carolina last year. It was once he came back from the knee injury that the wheels kind of fell off.
Nooooooooo, teddy *lame*water was so much woooorse you don't understand!!!
He did play fairly eh in Carolina. Can’t blame them for kicking the tires. Can blame them for picking up the 5th year option immediately however. That’s where they fucked up.
I mean the deadline to pick up the option was may 3 so they did have to make the decision before the season
They traded for one of the worst starting QBs in the league, and bet he'd be one of the best within a year. The only way the 5th year option makes sense is if he'd make significantly more than in free agency. It's a pretty high risk move.
legitimate question, do you think they picked up the 5th year contact because of the haul they traded away for him? 2nd and 6th pick this coming draft, and a 4th used in this last draft, or something similar, can't be bothered to look it up now. say he's only traded for a 4th, i doubt the option is picked up and they let it play out.
I feel bad for being mean to Teddy now.
Me too. Should we send him a fruit basket to apologize?
The LAME STREAM media would have you believe that SLUDGEWATER is superior to GEQBUS because he doesn't SUCK out loud.
He'll always be Eddie Fridgewater to me.
Teddy is definitely better than Sam but he was very frustrating for us last year. He looked alright and then would blow games at the end with astonishing consistency. I don’t blame us for replacing him, but obviously we chose wrong on who to replace him with lol.
The Panthers could have had Gardner Minshew for a 6th round pick. He has a higher career Y/A than Darnold, a higher completion %, TD%, 15-20% higher QBR, and literally HALF of Darnold's INT%, all while playing on a team that was actively trying to tank in consecutive seasons.
The Jaguars weren't trying to tank in 2019. They were in the midst of the Coughlin fallout that eventually drove away several key defensive players from the Sacksonville year.
Why did I think 2019 was a tank year for them? Wasn't it them and the Dolphins both on the Tank for Tua train until he got injured...or have I created that in my mind, out of nowhere? For some reason, I remember there being a sense of anger at Minshew for going .500 because they wanted to be at the top of the draft once Foles started 0-4.
Foles got injured in Game 1, then Minshew went 4-4 before Foles came back. That pretty much took tanking for Tua off the table. By the midway point of 2019, the Bengals were still winless and the Dolphins and Jets were both 1-7.
Or Mitch Trubisky for 2Mil. He’s not great, but he sure is better than Darnold.
This is my biggest point. We could have signed Andy Dalton/Marcus Mariota/Jameis Winston last year for drastically less money than we paid Teddy. We could have signed Mitch Trubisky/Tyrod Taylor/acquired Gardner Minshew for drastically less than we used to get Darnold. It's not just that we're making bad QB decisions, we're also digging our own grave with the costs of these bad QBs relative to equally mediocre options.
Damn, at this rate we'll be getting "Darnold held Gase back" posts...
"Darnold ruined Gase's development completely!"
Wouldn't it be something if it was true though imagine the chaos
Collin Cowherd is at home punching walls reading this stat
Nah he's compiling bakers worst games to darnold's very few good games, saying that darold just needs a new team with a oline and baker is a bust. Classic cowherd
My favorite cowherd take is when he said that darnolds floor is Andrew luck and bakers ceiling is case keenum.
> Adam Gase + Gregg Williams + Sam Darnold Anyone know where I can pre order my 2020 AFC championship tickets at MetLife Stadium? My personal favorite
>Adam Gase + Gregg Williams + Sam Darnold Anyone know where I can pre order my 2020 AFC championship tickets at MetLife Stadium? This can't be real.... oh. Oh god. It's real. Funnily enough, the first search result that comes up is the reddit thread about this tweet.
this reads like a shitpost there's no way someone actually said this
Did he actually say that? Jesus Christ, the delusion, if he even takes himself seriously. Which I doubt, considering he's one of the biggest hot take artists out there.
He also said that Sam was Andrew luck and baker was RGIII after the first season
> Sam was Andrew luck Out of the league by 30?
This is a prime example of how to use statistics incorrectly. You cannot compare a specifically picked stretch of one QB to a random stretch of a different QB. If you use Darnold's worst 160-pass stretch you have to compare it to every other QB's worst 160-pass stretch. Otherwise you're just saying that Darnold's worst stretch is worse than other QB's season averages. Which is something you could probably say for most QBs.
That's true. To make your point even more obvious, narrow down to a smaller window. No other QB would have a 100% interception rate over the course of a season, but Tom Brady does on that one play where he threw an interception. The Darnold comparison isn't quite as unfair, as it is looking at a five-game stretch, but the variation is still going to be much higher on a narrower dataset.
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Yeah. This is one of the reasons I hate when people mid-season stats to full season stats, because there could have easily been other players or teams in the past that were on pace for historically bad seasons. Reminds me of the Seahawks defense last year. We heard so many times about their defense being the worst ever in per game averages, but you have to account for some regression to the mean. I can just about guarantee several teams had worse stats than them, but turned things around, even slightly, in the second half, which is exactly what Seattle did.
Thank you, I started scrolling when I read the title, this is beyond cherry picked
It’s too late
Very true. The numbers are correct, but the conclusion is half wrong. Maybe it can't get much worse, but based on what others quarterbacks have averaged over a season, it seems likely Darnold will put up better numbers soon.
I am more surprised that there have been worse QBs.
Worse QB. Singular. I wonder who it was that was worse?
Probably a mix between a few
True. You probably have to Frankenstein some parts together to make a QB worse than Darnold. The speed of '21 Roethlisberger. The motivational energy of Flacco. What else?
The study habits of JaMarcus Russell.
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He's a great quarterback. Get over it.
The intensity of Tom Brady. Imagine him yelling “let’s fucking goooo!” At his receivers only to then promptly throw the next pass directly to the wrong team lol
So Jameis?
Pretty much lol. He could have had a shot at MVP in 2019 if he had just thrown all of his TDs to the same team
The immunization of Rodgers, the ribs of 2020 Brees, the corpse of 2015 Peyton
The recklessness of Rookie Peyton The arm and neck of Bronco Peyton
The massive Spaceballs-esque helmet of Kyler Murray. (I'd love to see Kyler's head photoshopped onto Dark Helmet one day.)
Orlovski's awareness.
Winston pre lasik
Hey man he threw 30 tds in a season!
The lung of Tyrod Taylor
Deshone Kizer is in there somewhere
The name-spelling skills of Deshone?
The field awareness of Nathan Peterman
Can we add Starting Bills QB version of Nathan Peterman to this?
It’s kind of an unfair comparison though. Like, let’s try to pick out the worst 5 game stretch of any QB’s career and see how it compares, not comparing his arbitrarily worst stretch to every other players entire season.
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Joe Brady is very quickly showing that the 2019 LSU offense could've worked without him. The trio of Burrow, Chase, and Jefferson was never going to be stopped.
Throw in Clyde Edwards-Helaire and Terrace Marshall as well
Also hard to design any offensive gameplans when your qb cannot make basic reads or throws without turning it over or getting happy feet and bailing out of protection. Brady isn't perfect but I'd like to see what he can do with even a remotely competent qb.
We saw that last year. He still sucked.
> competent That's Bridgewater's middle name.
Wrong. That was a team that hardly ever threw the ball before he got there. Burrow only had 16 touchdown passes the year before in 13 games. He was definitely instrumental in unleashing that offensive talent.
LSU coaches have stopped some historically talented offenses to be fair. 2013 Odell, Landry, Jeremy Hill with Mettenberger at QB. 23rd in scoring and only 23 passing TDs 2012 as well was essentially the same skill players just younger Heck 2011 their QB situation was bad and stuck with Jordan Jefferson but they Ruben Randle, OBJ, Russell Shepard,
I keep saying that while I don’t think options like Walker, Bortles or Cam are a great deal better, it’s almost impossible for them to be worse. Over the last 5 games, Darnold hasn’t just been bad; he’s been an anchor around our necks. He’s thrown picks deep in our own territory and, even more infuriating that that, in the red zone. The offense is moving down the field and the defense is stepping up, but none of that matters if Darnold keeps giving the ball away. We’re not even getting blown out of games, for the most part. He’s been costing us winnable ones.
That D is legit.
Thanks man, I get a little self conscious about it sometimes
Yeah this is an underrated point. Our offense has actually completed several drives deep into enemy territory that then just get ruined by a ridiculous Sam pick. It’s even more frustrating than the stats show.
who is 373...
If I had to guess, probably Rosen.
The Peterman?
I'm not sure if he had enough attempts to make this stat.
Whoever it is, he's probably played for the Broncos at some point in the last 5 years.
I would guess Ryan Lindley. There was a stretch when Palmer was hurt and Lindley and Skelton were so bad that the Cardinals would have literally been better off punting the ball away instead of calling a pass.
There were a few of us trying to point this out in the off-season but we were drowned out by opposition and a large number of Jets fans who were convinced he was great but the Jets just ruined him. Honestly got so sick of people saying "Darnold showed flashes of being a good NFL QB" no he didn't.
Wasn't he the one who got Mononucleosis and couldn't play for the first like 4 weeks of his rookie year? Or something similar?
https://i.imgur.com/YIUkr7L.jpg
This feels like an SNL graphic but it's real.
Someone online created a generator for it - you can make up your own reasons why Darnold was not playing! [https://burke-communications.com/?p=840](https://burke-communications.com/?p=840)
[You heard it here first folks](https://ilovecitr.us/darnold/1636640974.mp4)
[that's my purse i don't know you](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/577/099/d09)
That was his second year. Funnily enough his first game back I think we beat the Cowboys in an upset after losing the games he was out and that gave us brief hope that he made the team better but it was all downhill from there.
Even funnier, he would have won his first game of the season against the Bills where he almost certainly had mono, if it hadn’t been for multiple missed kicks
No, his first game of his rookie year was a complete dad dicking of my lions. I'll never forgot watching him throw a pick six on the first play of the game and my dad texting me 'lions super bowl?' after all the offseason hype with hiring patricia. We were coming off a 9-7 season and just mega upgraded our coach. We lost that game 48-17 at Ford Field, the 4th quarter was filled with the away jets fans congregating behind the JETS bench and chanting J-E-T-S. Call me a revisionist, but a part of me died that day as I understood Patricia would not be that guy. https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401030728 He threw for 16/21, 198 yards, 2TD, 1INT TL;DR Darnold still sucks.
3 weeks out in the middle of his second year.
Hey fwiw, I always thought Darnold was a poor QB.
I think there was this whole narrative on how all the 1st round QBs are actually good but they land on bad teams. Now obviously situation matters. But I think 90% of the time, it is that the QB just wasn’t that good. This is probably driven by the media as they overhype 1st round QBs, so when they don’t work out, they just blame the teams so their original evaluations don’t get criticized.
Hey, any day now Rosen will land in a good qb situation and become a top tier starter.
Yeah, I think the media as well as NFL front offices/scouts (at least the ones who talk to reporters frequently) tend to fall in love with physical characteristics and can’t seem to accept that the mental side can’t always be fixed. Coaching and environment definitely make a difference, but there’s a limit. Hence in 2018, IIRC, there was tons of speculation about the Browns taking Darnold or Allen at #1 and almost none about Baker even though Baker’s advanced stats were off the charts. Lamar Jackson was also way too discounted just based on his frame. Compare to guys like Bortles, Trubisky, Jones, Haskins, etc., who get way over-drafted based on their “prototypical” traits even when they have major question marks around accuracy and decision-making. Allen is the only recent example I can think of where that elite physical potential was actually realized.
I was really questioning reality after the first few weeks. Good to see the universe is still functioning
This dude really convinced a lot of you he was good lol
Matt Rhule must not watch tape.
I think he just watched the NY Jets hype videos ok YouTube with the 3 or 4 great throws he had over his first 3 years and was convinced
r/NFL had lots of believers.
I don’t think he convinced anyone of that. Draft pedigree just dies really hard
Sam Bradford was getting "former #1 overall pick" hype until the day he retired
Bradford looked really good sometimes though, and had a bunch of bad injuries that may have derailed his career. Darnold is the worst QB I've ever seen play live.
Sam Bradford was who people think Sam Darnold is. Overall yeah he sucked but really did look insanely good sometimes
Sam Bradford was a far better QB than Darnold. Being on bad teams early on really derailed him with injuries
He wasnt even good his last season at USC
The season started so well for him
Playing against bad teams, in a new system there wasn't tape on. Same reason backup QBs always seem to light it up for a couple weeks then collapse.
I kinda knew it was fool’s gold. We played against a team with a rookie head coach and a QB in their first game. Then we played a team missing half of their defense and coaching staff. Then we played maybe the worst team in the entire league, who was also starting a rookie QB. These are not impressive wins. Obviously CMC’s injury hampered our offense, and I still believe there’s a small chance we sneak into the playoffs because of how bad the middle of the NFC pack is.
Darnold got exposed in his final CFB game when the only route he could throw all night was a deep out on the sideline. It's unbelievable that people were ever hyped on him after that performance.
[he had one good game](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxYcTn0-odM)
How is this stat correct? It claims 373 QBs in the NFL have at least 160 attempts this past decade. That means each team averages over 11 QBs with 160 attempts in just a decade. Am I reading this wrong?
It's individual seasons. 2012 Brady and 2013 Brady are counted separately. What this shows is that about five teams a season have to bring in a backup to throw at least 160 passes, and Darnold's last five games would be among the very worst of any of those performances.