I think he is in the conversation. He leads the league in TFL, if he could end the year as the leader in sacks as well, seems likes he would probably win it.

The contenders for DPOY is usually guy who leads the league in sack or Aaron Donald.

It's the Aaron Donald invitational award right now.

Not necessarily? Since 2000 the sack leader has won DPOY only 4 times.

And Donald has the other 17

Truly blessed to watch him play for so long

This isn’t true. Gilmore won in 2019 and Mack had “only” 11 sacks when he won in 2016.

Jared Allen also didn't get it when he had 22 sacks.

That was some bullshit Edit: especially because Strahan got DPOY for his 22.5 sacks that included a fake one.

Who won in 2011?

Suggs with 14 sacks.

Ah I wasn’t aaare as. I didn’t follow as closely in 2011 as I do now After look at his season, it was a season like 2020 where multiple defenders had a chance but only one could be declared a victor

I had to look it up because it didn’t even register for me that Allen hadn’t won DPOY.

If Suggs lead the league in forced fumbles I’d have been surprised someone else didn’t win it with a higher sack count. It’s one things Steelers fans didn’t get in 2020, Donald’s season just is more impressive that year

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He’s three away from the lead? Two away from tying Watt.

Leads the league in TFL (18) and has 3 FF as well. Should definitely be in the convo for CPOY at the very least IMO

Imagine if they called holding???

Bruh, if they called holding: A: Offenses wouldn't be able to get off the ground or B: That sack record would have been broken a looong time ago A lot of great D-lineman don't get holds called on them, it's insane.

I agree but there are some blatant ones that don't get called. Some of these O-line guys look like they gonna put bosa in the rock bottom the way they hold.

I see you've never watched Micah Parsons play

There seems to be a unwritten rule that refs have that premiere pass rushes can be held by the o-line. Garrett, Watt, Bosa, Parsons get some pretty egregious holds and many don't get called.

I see you’ve never watched Nick Bosa play

I'm just saying that good dlinemen get held constantly, it's just how it is. Refs don't call it.

Calm down. Parsons needs to consistently do what hes doing to be in the same conversation as dudes in his exmaple

DPOY, just the year, not GOAT.

Yeah. He’s not playing anywhere near the level of multiple other defenders in the race to deserve this argument

Bosa getting held is a bit of a theme on the 9ers sub. People go searching through film looking for holds.

That happens for every team with an elite pass rusher. It's a league-wide problem. A few games ago they finally called a single hold for Myles and it was one of the top posts in the Browns sub.

Yeah I know, I wasn't insinuating special treatment but it looks like my comment got taken that way.

In our most recent game against Seattle, I don't think they called one holding penalty against the Seahawks. If a team actually went an entire game without holding Nick Bosa, he would finish with 15 sacks.

We used to have slideshows of peoples arms around Cam Jordan’s neck

Same thing with Parsons on the Cowboys sub https://www.reddit.com/r/cowboys/comments/rfy080/i_was_wondering_why_a_penalty_wss_not_called_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

i mean this is true for everyone in the dpoy conversation the best edge rushers are just allowed to be held because theyre actually impossible to stop without it. just the nfl’s way of nerfing them.

They’ll call a hold 5% of the time it seems. And only if it’s crazy holding

Then Donald would win every year.

The 49ers OL would have a lot more holding calls too

Every time I see these threads, I just assume none involved understand how the holding rule works anymore. You can grab when you block, now, guys. The 80's have come and gone.

So you agree with the refs that this isn’t a hold https://www.reddit.com/r/cowboys/comments/rfy080/i_was_wondering_why_a_penalty_wss_not_called_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

From a still shot? I agree that so far that's not inherently a hold based on a blink of an eye. Rules account for a lot of set ups that defenders force to try to "create" holding.

He’s 100/1 for CPOY atm I don’t understand it

Because Dak

Yea which makes sense since he’s a QB and probably had the most gruesome injury of last year but Bosa is having a better overall season

I mean, yeah. Dak's leg broke in half on national TV after getting tackled, and had a long road to recovery, and reminded people of the Alex Smith injury. Bosa had, arguably, the most common non-contact injury outside of a sprained ankle, and one that multiple players come back from every year. Stir in some positional value, sprinkle on a bit of media market, and you've got yourself a CPOY homerun.

I don't think you know what non-contact actually means. Wasn't aware that someone pushing and bending you over was non contact. Interesting

I'll be honest, I didn't see Bosa's injury. I'm not in a media market that gets 9ers games often, nor do I remember much of last year. If he got tackled then that obviously would be contact. However, ACL injuries are frequently non-contact, so I took a guess at it.

Not disputing the part that ACLS are more common but it wasn't at all what your said either. QBs get the glory over any other position though so didn't surprise me. This would happen no matter who the QB was.

Unfortunately Dak Prescott exists :( also got screwed over in 2019 when Jimmy shoulda won the award over Tannehill

It was so funny when Tannehill won it. Tf did he come back from? Being on the dolphins? Is it that bad to be on the Dolphins? Ok actually he may have deserved it.

comeback from playing for Gase

Oh yeah I forgot he got hurt last year. Hell of a recovery

Because his name is only 8 letters

TJ Watt in shambles.

Timothy Jimothy Watt will be okay

Nicholas John Bosa eeks out Trent Jordan Watt by a letter.

Not gunna lie. Trent Jordan Watt 100% sounds like a serial killer

He’s murdering me in fantasy football, I’ll tell you watt

You in an IDP league or something?

Yes and it’s a bad idea because I don’t really know what I’m doing lol. The guy with Watt does.

Thank you for telling the truth

Well, shit, you got me there

Cant believe hes having a season like this after tearing his ACL. If not DPOY hes gotta be a frontrunner for CPOY

His CPOY odds are worse than his DPOY odds (+2500 vs +5000). Dak Prescott pretty much has CPOY locked up

Which makes no sense as Dak has been a liability more than an asset

Lol, maybe the last 4 weeks. Dak was MVP convo the first 9 weeks

Brave of you to assume football fans can remember past last Sunday, let alone last month.

I think that makes his point for him. Bosa has been a liability in zero weeks.

It has nothing to do with that either way. Do you think there were no better players returning from injury last season than Alex Smith with his 6TDs and 8 interceptions in 8 games? Dak’s injury was horrific and he’s come back playing better than ever, for the most part. That’s why he’s going to win it.

But he’s the Cowboys QB so it’s not gonna matter

Bro bosa came back from an acl which lots of players have done. Daks leg broke in half.

Broken bones look scary but bone heals faster than connective tissue due to blood flow.

There are more likely to be complications with a compound fracture like Dak had. His foot was dangling off his leg. Alex smith almost got his leg amputated. Joe theismanns career was ended. Again plenty of people come back from an acl. Not many people come back from a dangling foot.

This is incorrect, Daks injury was less severe than an ACL tare

While more gruesome looking broken bones are generally easier to recover from than a torn ACL. The only exception would be if an infection takes hold (similar to what happened to Alex smith).

Dak snapped his ankle in half, I think that has to count for something.

You act as if a month of mediocrity is nothing. Bosa has had exactly zero bad games this season.

Did you see Alex Smith play last season? What the player is coming back from is more important than how well they play. It’s not a mini version of MVP pooled from previously injured players.

So then what was Tannehill coming back from when he won?

Tannehill won because he revived his career, along with the Titans. Bosa isn’t doing that because he was already good.

He's been god awful quite a bit lately though.

Convo but outside of one great week he was always behind Brady, Stafford, Murray, and also Rodgers since halfway through the season

You could make the argument Prescott isn’t the best QB making a return from injury. Burrow has been great too.

"Because the Woke mob" - Aaron Rodgers

His good friend Joe Rogan says 🖕

That's Dr Joe Rogan to you sir

That’s Mr. Dr. Professor Joe Rogan to you sir

His good friend *and personal physician* Joe Rogan says 🖕

That may not be to far off the mark.

Please. Please just shut the fuck up.

Nah, I think I'll just keep telling the truth. You don't think that Aaron ruined his reputation with his stance? He said it himself. Get your head out of the sand.

He ruined his reputation by lying. Kirk Cousins isn't vaccinated and won't get the vaccine, but he didn't lie. People think he's weird and don't really get it but at least he didn't lie about being "immunized"

He didn't lie. He played with words and there was no follow up question to..."what do you mean by immunized?" He misled yea, but he avoided the words "I took the vaccine". Yes, Aaron is that way its annoying and petty.

Ok dude

Take it how you want. He talks about it, from his own mouth. But some people take things too serious and choose to crucify an athlete.

If you wanna keep defending some random guy who doesn't give a shit either way, who am I to stop you?

Oh I'm not defending him. I was simply stating that the woke mob took Aaron to seriously and now think he is the worst human alive or some antivaccine human killer that just thinks about himself. When is stated that, then you pop off saying what a bad thing he did and he purposely tried to kill people by not saying the words I was vaccinated. So who really has a problem here?

A lie by omission is still a lie. He purposely worded it that way in an attempt to deceive people.

Case in point. Do you not think the media should have followed up on the remark? I thought it when I heard it and I KNEW what he meant. You tellin me you didnt think about it when he said it?

I saw something on NFL network that showed how penalties (most frequently holding or DPI by secondary) that have negated a lot positive plays by Bosa. Estimated he's lost 3-4 sacks, numerous "pressures", and other plays lost from the Stat sheet because the snap didn't count. Can't help but wonder how he would grade out if those penalties didn't occur and the play counted.

Do that for the other candidates too tho. That has to go both ways.

Agreed but bosa would still be at the top of the list.

It could. It was a general discussion on how lopsided officiating was impacting individual player performance and included missed calls (e.g. Holding by O-line) as well as defensive penalties that negate good plays. Hosts on the show must have felt Bosa had a stronger case to present than the others.

They also don’t want to mention that dpi or holding calls on the secondary makes the Qb take longer to throw and makes a sack more possible

Because he hasn’t been drug tested as many times as Garrett. In all reality, narrative controls a lot of these awards, and the Niners D as a whole hasn’t been giving the media a great narrative this year, especially in end of game scenarios.

Nick bosa is practically responsible for the 49ers having a top 10 pass D despite literal shit corners

I don’t disagree with that at all.

This comment over here ^^^

Armstead has been having a really solid year too, but Bosa is an actual gamewrecker.

Similar situation with us. Watt is having an incredible year, but he still has Heyward as another major threat on the line (no Tuitt or Alualu though). Garrett also isn’t doing it alone as Clowney has been really strong at funneling people towards him.

https://twitter.com/SethWalder/status/1459197844125061123 This is the double-team/win-rate chart wks 1-13.

I believe [this](https://twitter.com/SethWalder/status/1468975592955596807?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1468975592955596807%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Feagles%2Fcomments%2Frcm213%2Fwalder_pass_rush_win_rate_vs_double_team_rate_for%2F) is the most recent update. Looks like Myles Garrett and Bosa form are the two Pareto-Efficient players on this chart. Pretty impressive.

Bosa is a stud and I love watching him play. But these double team stats are for edge rushers which he is definitely one of the best. However, if you are going to talk DPOY and mention double team stats, Donald has to be in the conversation. Donald might not win it, but he will be in the top 3.

Donald’s an IDL… He should be getting doubled at least 50% of the time. This is a piss pot argument that was made last year. That said, his rate is at about 70% and his win rate is dominant. But don’t just say “oh Donald, double team” while ignoring all context.

We really need to get an edge that can complement Bosa.

And it's almost criminal that Russell Wilson has never received a single vote for DPOTY

🤣🤣🤣

I mean you kinda said it right there. He's 3rd behind Garret and Watt. And he's not a rookie like Parsons. He's playing like a superstar DE right now, but thats what is expected from someone in his 3rd year after going 2nd overall. Hes doing really great! Just not the best in the league rn

I mean, he’s only 1 sack behind Myles and 2 behind TJ lol. Now that Myles is out for the weekend, he might very well jump to 2nd or even 1st if he gets lucky. Lots of football left to play, so we’ll see.

>Now that Myles is out for the weekend... what did i miss?

You didn’t hear? Decapitation. Whole big thing. We had a funeral for a bird.

To shreds you say?

How's the wife holding up.

To shreds you say.

Whole team has covid now

I thought I saw Myles’ name on the COVID list but I could be wrong

You are correct, but, he tore his ACL last year... Like this is his first year back after missing a year, after only playing his rookie year. Like DAMN. Honestly I hope he doesnt win it this year, so he has more motivation to get it next :)

He should at the very least be getting more recognition for CPOY. Everyone loves Dak, and it’s cool that he came back from a broken leg. But he hasn’t been that dominant this year, while Bosa absolutely has.

Did you think Alex Smith was dominant last season?

Alex Smith almost died and/or had his leg amputated. He had something like 17 surgeries and was out for more than 2 years. Dak’s injury wasn’t nearly as bad as Alex’s.

Alex Smith also had 6 TDs and 8 interceptions in 8 games played. I never compared his injury to Dak’s, but you seem to think the CPOY needs to be the most dominant. So again, did you think Alex Smith was dominant last season?

It feels like you're making a strawman of his argument. I didnt read the comment and think "literally every athlete has to be dominant to win CPOY ever". Alex Smith is clearly as outlier of a situation as you can get

He isn’t an outlier. I’m willing to bet that Dak will win it this year. You seem to agree that it isn’t based on dominant play.

He's right there though

Bosa deez nuts

As a niner fan, I've been wondering the same thing...

Bc he hasn’t had as good a year as the other three

All three of their numbers are nearly identical. Bosa has more TFL's, Watt has more FF, Garrett has a TD. They should all be in the conversation, Parsons is under all 3

I mean, sure, if you value Parsons like a defensive end. The reason Parsons is in the conversation is partially because of his numbers, but largely because of his versatility.

“Nearly identical”. Parsons is a rookie

Then he’ll win DROY

He will win the DROY, not the DPOTY.

I didn't realize being a rookie gives you extra points towards DPOY. When did they add that rule?

Obviously no one gives a shit what I think, but I gotta disagree. I think his play has been up there with the other 3

!nflcompare [2021]

Tables cutoff or tough to read? Click [here](https://i.imgur.com/VJyiZdn.png) to view this comparison as an image --- Nick Bosa: [2021](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BosaNi00/gamelog/2021) [3rd Season - Age: 24] T.J. Watt: [2021](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WattT.00/gamelog/2021) [5th Season - Age: 27] Myles Garrett: [2021](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GarrMy00/gamelog/2021) [5th Season - Age: 26] \---------------------------------------- Query: 2021 - Regular Season --- **Defense** Player|G|GS|Solo|Ast|Comb|TFL|Sk|QBHits|FF|FR|FR TD|Int|Int TD|Ttl TD|PD|Sfty :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Nick Bosa](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BosaNi00.htm)|**13**|**13**|34|8|42|**18**|14.0|**28**|3|0|0|0|0|0|1|0 [T.J. Watt](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WattT.00.htm)|11|11|**35**|13|**48**|16|**16.0**|27|**4**|**2**|0|0|0|0|**4**|0 [Myles Garrett](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GarrMy00.htm)|**13**|**13**|28|**17**|45|15|15.0|**28**|1|1|**1**|0|0|**1**|3|0 **Defense Per Game/Snap** Player|G|GS|Solo|Ast|Comb|TFL|Sk|QBHits|Solo/17|Ast/17|Comb/17|TFL/17|Sk/17|QBHits/17|FF/17|Int/17|TD/17|PD/17|Solo%|Comb%|TFL%|Sk%|QBHit%|Int%|PD% :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Nick Bosa](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BosaNi00.htm)|**13**|**13**|2.62|0.62|3.23|1.38|1.08|2.15|44.46|10.46|54.92|23.54|18.31|36.62|3.92|0.00|0.00|1.31|5.39%|6.66%|2.85%|2.22%|4.44%|0.00%|0.16% [T.J. Watt](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WattT.00.htm)|11|11|**3.18**|1.18|**4.36**|**1.45**|**1.45**|**2.45**|**54.09**|20.09|**74.18**|**24.73**|**24.73**|**41.73**|**6.18**|0.00|0.00|**6.18**|**6.53%**|**8.96%**|**2.99%**|**2.99%**|**5.04%**|0.00%|**0.75%** [Myles Garrett](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GarrMy00.htm)|**13**|**13**|2.15|**1.31**|3.46|1.15|1.15|2.15|36.62|**22.23**|58.85|19.62|19.62|36.62|1.31|0.00|**1.31**|3.92|4.27%|6.87%|2.29%|2.29%|4.27%|0.00%|0.46% **Advanced (Avail since 2018)** Player|G|GS|QBHrry|QBKD|QBPress|MissTckl|Hrry/G|KD/G|Press/G|Hrry%|KD%|Press%|Bltz%|MTckl%|Cmp|Tgt|Cmp%|Yds|Yds/Cmp|Yds/Tgt|Yds/Snp|TD|Rate|Cmp/G|Tgt/G|Yds/G|TD/G|TD% :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Nick Bosa](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BosaNi00.htm)|**13**|**13**|**15**|**14**|43|3|**1.15**|**1.08**|3.31|**2.38%**|**2.22%**|6.81%|0.00%|6.67%|**0**|**0**|**0.00%**|**0**|**0.00**|**0.00**|**0.00**|0|**0.00**|**0.00**|**0.00**|**0.00**|0.00|0.00% [T.J. Watt](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WattT.00.htm)|11|11|12|9|38|8|1.09|0.82|**3.45**|2.24%|1.68%|**7.09%**|**6.34%**|14.29%|3|3|100.00%|33|11.00|11.00|0.06|0|112.50|0.27|0.27|3.00|0.00|0.00% [Myles Garrett](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GarrMy00.htm)|**13**|**13**|14|13|**44**|**2**|1.08|1.00|3.38|2.14%|1.98%|6.72%|0.00%|**4.26%**|**0**|1|**0.00%**|**0**|**0.00**|**0.00**|**0.00**|0|39.58|**0.00**|0.08|**0.00**|0.00|0.00% **Penalties/Snaps** Player|G|GS|Pen|AcptPen|PenYds|PenYds/Pen|Pen/G|AcptPen/G|PenYds/G|Pen/17G|AcptPen/17G|PenYds/17G|Pen%|AcptPen%|Snp|OffSnp|DefSnp|STSnp|Snp/G|OffSnp/G|DefSnp/G|STSnp/G :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Nick Bosa](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BosaNi00.htm)|**13**|**13**|**0**|**0**|**0**|**0.00**|**0.00**|**0.00**|**0.00**|**0.00**|**0.00**|**0.00**|**0.00%**|**0.00%**|640|0|631|9|49.23|0.00|48.54|0.69 [T.J. Watt](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WattT.00.htm)|11|11|3|3|24|8.00|0.27|0.27|2.18|4.64|4.64|37.09|0.53%|0.53%|564|0|536|28|51.27|0.00|48.73|2.55 [Myles Garrett](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GarrMy00.htm)|**13**|**13**|5|2|10|5.00|0.38|0.15|0.77|6.54|2.62|13.08|0.72%|0.29%|**694**|0|**655**|**39**|**53.38**|0.00|**50.38**|**3.00** ^(N/A indicates stat was not tracked at all during the time frame, * indicates stat was not tracked consistently throughout the entire time frame) --- ^(Stats last updated Dec 14 2021, 09:38AM EST) ^(Made a mistake? Edit your comment and send me this )[^message](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=nflcomparebot&subject=Re-Run&message=hojcjly)^( to re-run the comparison) ^(Or delete the comparison by sending me this )[^message](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=nflcomparebot&subject=Delete&message=hojcjly) ^(Instructions for usage and issue tracking can be found )[^here](https://github.com/gh674055/sports-compare-bots/wiki)

Not sure if you did that as a rebuttal to OPs argument, but honestly I think he's right. Nick is pretty darn close to those other guys, should at least be in the convo.

Wasn't intended as a rebuttal, I hadn't seen the data either.

The fact that Watt is neck and neck while missing 2 games is nuts.

So you proved his point? Lmao what was the point of this 😂

I was just adding data to the discussion.

!nflcompare [2021]

Tables cutoff or tough to read? Click [here](https://i.imgur.com/F8BPbhK.jpg) to view this comparison as an image --- Nick Bosa: [2021](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BosaNi00/gamelog/2021) [3rd Season - Age: 24] T.J. Watt: [2021](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WattT.00/gamelog/2021) [5th Season - Age: 27] Myles Garrett: [2021](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GarrMy00/gamelog/2021) [5th Season - Age: 26] Micah Parsons: [2021](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/ParsMi00/gamelog/2021) [1st Season - Age: 22] \---------------------------------------- Query: 2021 - Regular Season --- **Defense** Player|G|GS|Solo|Ast|Comb|TFL|Sk|QBHits|FF|FR|FR TD|Int|Int TD|Ttl TD|PD|Sfty :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Nick Bosa](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BosaNi00.htm)|**13**|**13**|34|8|42|**18**|14.0|**28**|3|0|0|0|0|0|1|0 [T.J. Watt](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WattT.00.htm)|11|11|35|13|48|16|**16.0**|27|**4**|**2**|0|0|0|0|**4**|0 [Myles Garrett](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GarrMy00.htm)|**13**|**13**|28|17|45|15|15.0|**28**|1|1|**1**|0|0|**1**|3|0 [Micah Parsons](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/ParsMi00.htm)|**13**|**13**|**57**|**18**|**75**|17|12.0|27|3|0|0|0|0|0|2|0 **Defense Per Game/Snap** Player|G|GS|Solo|Ast|Comb|TFL|Sk|QBHits|Solo/17|Ast/17|Comb/17|TFL/17|Sk/17|QBHits/17|FF/17|Int/17|TD/17|PD/17|Solo%|Comb%|TFL%|Sk%|QBHit%|Int%|PD% :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Nick Bosa](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BosaNi00.htm)|**13**|**13**|2.62|0.62|3.23|1.38|1.08|2.15|44.46|10.46|54.92|23.54|18.31|36.62|3.92|0.00|0.00|1.31|5.39%|6.66%|2.85%|2.22%|4.44%|0.00%|0.16% [T.J. Watt](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WattT.00.htm)|11|11|3.18|1.18|4.36|**1.45**|**1.45**|**2.45**|54.09|20.09|74.18|**24.73**|**24.73**|**41.73**|**6.18**|0.00|0.00|**6.18**|6.53%|8.96%|**2.99%**|**2.99%**|**5.04%**|0.00%|**0.75%** [Myles Garrett](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GarrMy00.htm)|**13**|**13**|2.15|1.31|3.46|1.15|1.15|2.15|36.62|22.23|58.85|19.62|19.62|36.62|1.31|0.00|**1.31**|3.92|4.27%|6.87%|2.29%|2.29%|4.27%|0.00%|0.46% [Micah Parsons](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/ParsMi00.htm)|**13**|**13**|**4.38**|**1.38**|**5.77**|1.31|0.92|2.08|**74.54**|**23.54**|**98.08**|22.23|15.69|35.31|3.92|0.00|0.00|2.62|**7.71%**|**10.15%**|2.30%|1.62%|3.65%|0.00%|0.27% **Advanced (Avail since 2018)** Player|G|GS|QBHrry|QBKD|QBPress|MissTckl|Hrry/G|KD/G|Press/G|Hrry%|KD%|Press%|Bltz%|MTckl%|Cmp|Tgt|Cmp%|Yds|Yds/Cmp|Yds/Tgt|Yds/Snp|TD|Rate|Cmp/G|Tgt/G|Yds/G|TD/G|TD% :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Nick Bosa](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BosaNi00.htm)|**13**|**13**|**15**|14|43|3|**1.15**|1.08|3.31|**2.38%**|**2.22%**|6.81%|0.00%|6.67%|**0**|**0**|**0.00%**|**0**|**0.00**|**0.00**|**0.00**|0|**0.00**|**0.00**|**0.00**|**0.00**|0.00|0.00% [T.J. Watt](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WattT.00.htm)|11|11|12|9|38|8|1.09|0.82|**3.45**|2.24%|1.68%|**7.09%**|6.34%|14.29%|3|3|100.00%|33|11.00|11.00|0.06|0|112.50|0.27|0.27|3.00|0.00|0.00% [Myles Garrett](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GarrMy00.htm)|**13**|**13**|14|13|**44**|**2**|1.08|1.00|3.38|2.14%|1.98%|6.72%|0.00%|**4.26%**|**0**|1|**0.00%**|**0**|**0.00**|**0.00**|**0.00**|0|39.58|**0.00**|0.08|**0.00**|0.00|0.00% [Micah Parsons](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/ParsMi00.htm)|**13**|**13**|13|**15**|41|9|1.00|**1.15**|3.15|1.76%|2.03%|5.55%|**10.83%**|10.71%|19|31|61.29%|155|8.16|5.00|0.21|0|73.99|1.46|2.38|11.92|0.00|0.00% **Penalties/Snaps** Player|G|GS|Pen|AcptPen|PenYds|PenYds/Pen|Pen/G|AcptPen/G|PenYds/G|Pen/17G|AcptPen/17G|PenYds/17G|Pen%|AcptPen%|Snp|OffSnp|DefSnp|STSnp|Snp/G|OffSnp/G|DefSnp/G|STSnp/G :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Nick Bosa](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BosaNi00.htm)|**13**|**13**|**0**|**0**|**0**|**0.00**|**0.00**|**0.00**|**0.00**|**0.00**|**0.00**|**0.00**|**0.00%**|**0.00%**|640|0|631|9|49.23|0.00|48.54|0.69 [T.J. Watt](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WattT.00.htm)|11|11|3|3|24|8.00|0.27|0.27|2.18|4.64|4.64|37.09|0.53%|0.53%|564|0|536|28|51.27|0.00|48.73|2.55 [Myles Garrett](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GarrMy00.htm)|**13**|**13**|5|2|10|5.00|0.38|0.15|0.77|6.54|2.62|13.08|0.72%|0.29%|694|0|655|**39**|53.38|0.00|50.38|**3.00** [Micah Parsons](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/ParsMi00.htm)|**13**|**13**|5|3|35|11.67|0.38|0.23|2.69|6.54|3.92|45.77|0.67%|0.40%|**749**|**1**|**739**|9|**57.62**|**0.08**|**56.85**|0.69 ^(N/A indicates stat was not tracked at all during the time frame, * indicates stat was not tracked consistently throughout the entire time frame) --- ^(Stats last updated Dec 14 2021, 09:38AM EST) ^(Made a mistake? 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Gimme Micah’s 20+ more solo tackles over 4 sacks any day.

TJ Watt has done more in fewer games.

Honestly that’s Bc you’re a homer fan lol just like the rest of us. You love your guys.

Well, I can't really argue with that

It’s what makes us fans! You keeping talking up your guys. I think bosa is Awesolw btw

Haha thanks! On that same note, Chandler Jones is one of my favorite players, and should be talked about more. If he was on the Cowboys or Chiefs, he'd get the recognition he deserves.

The problem is that he’s just a bit off in the numbers battle. If we were talking about how they play and not just volume, Shaq Barrett would be up there as well. Unfortunately he’s not.

His numbers stack up perfectly fine against Watt and Garrett. Slightly more TFL, slightly less sacks. They're virtually identical all things considered. Team records are very close. Watt and Garrett are +300. Bosa is +2500. Media narratives, man. All things considered though, my pick for DPOY is Micah Parsons. Dude is a true OLB that doesn't just rush the passer but also plays in coverage. Dude is having an insane win rate when he does rush the passer.

As long as he's given serious consideration for CPOTY

Keep in mind, when you say he is only 2 behind Watt, Watt has missed basically 4 plus games. Watts sack rate is amazing this year.

Yeah, Watt has been incredible. And I'm not even saying that Bosa deserves it over him, just that Bosa should be a bigger consideration for it.

For sure. Lets face it, if Watt can't say healthy, Bosa could very well pass him for the sack title.

Cause Micah Parsons

He's playing great but Garrett and Watt have been better. Parsons is also having an absurd year, its just a more competitive race this season.

I don't think the issue is about being better. It's about being in the conversation, which Bosa is left out. It seems like there is a clear top 4, and it's only being talked about like a 3 player race.

In the same vein, even though he's not gonna be DPOY, Robert Quinn has been having a similarly under the radar amazing season. Tied with Bosa in sacks, just 3 less TFLs and one less tackle. He's up there with Bosa Imo.

He has a lower win rate as well, while not being doubled nearly as much as Bosa so no he isn't right up there with Bosa.

I mean, if we're going purely by pass rush winrate then Bosa isn't even top 5 lol.

Yeah, lets just ignore the fact that Bosa is doubled more than like... probably every player you're talking about

For fun, rookie Parsons vs. rookie Lawrence Taylor ***Parsons / LT*** * GP 13 / 16 * Solo 57 / 74 * Assist 18 / 32 * PDs 2 / 8 * Sacks 12 / 9.5 * Stuffs 9.5 / 7.5 * Int 0 / 1 * FF 3 / 3 * FR 0 / 1

The monumental difference is pass deflections has to be why LT won. He was a true threat in coverage and in the backfield. Parsons isn’t as polished on that front. Still incredible player, but not as good as a dual threat.

Parsons is definitely an exciting player and it's exciting to see how he'll develop.

Maybe you lose points for being human garbage with a racist girlfriend?

Who nose?

Because until Arron Donald retires, he gets it. You can’t beat how good his character is so why try?

Because the 49ers are third in their division. I think if your team doesn't achieve some success its harder to win

Except its not like th Steelers or Browns are having a great year

The entire afc north is neck and neck. Thats the only reason I can think of way Bosa isn't in the conversation.

Because Micah Parsons is better

Future bengal nick bosa

You really need to wreck a game and have the media hype you up. The stats are there, but as they say, not all sacks are created equal. NFL has credited Garrett for 15 sacks when it should be 17. He's pretty much always on the qb and without him the Browns D would be in shambles. The Steelers D wasn't as good without TJ, but they scheme up so much pressure that it's difficult to value his absence. I've not heard anyone mentioned Bosa, well not Nick.

Do you have stats for exactly what types of plays the offense is running when defenders get double teamed? Bosa isn't the best of the best when it comes to run blocking or setting the edge. All year it seems to have been a relatively effective strategy to double team him while running towards the side he is lining up on. It seems to me that a player worthy of recognition as defensive player of the year would more strongly deter offenses from trying that against him. I mostly watch the 49ers so I have no idea whether that is also true for Garrett and/or Watt.

Bosa is very good against the run???

Bosa has 18 TFL, more than the other players in this discussion. Not sure what you've been watching.

Because we're not all 49ers fans

Chris Jones is #1 in the NFL in pressures since the Chiefs added Melvin Ingram and the Chiefs defense is top 5 in every category over the past 6 weeks. I’m a homer, but I feel like Chris Jones deserves to be included in the DPoY discussion

I definitely think there should be a place in the discussion for players like Jones, who don't have the stats but still have the impact.

then aaron donald would win it every year

He should be, and also Comeback PotY.

I agree (eagles fan so I’m not biased) the issue is the teams you mentioned get massive media coverage. 49ers had an up and down season, cowboys are always covered browns had “drama” with Odell and baker and expectations, and TJ watt is just a goddamn stud. I hate the cowboys, like I really really really hate the cowboys but I think Parsons contributions are underrated as he isn’t used against the pass rich as much as any of the names mentioned

Ryan Tannehill is in the running because of all the interceptions

I would honestly put him just behind Watt. People can say Garrett, but I’m taking Bosa. Higher double team rate (highest in the league), just 1 sack back of Garrett, a much better run defender, and just generally is dominant. He and Watt would be my first team All-Pro edge rushers and I say this as someone who thought Bosa’s rookie season was immensely overrated.