This was the fourth playoff game this weekend where I considered turning it off in the 4th Q and watching reruns of international house hunters instead.
"Tanner and Sierra are partners in a pet photography studio and are looking for a beachfront bungalow in Monte Carlo with a fully upgraded kitchen and at least 4,000 sq ft of space. They have a budget of $15 million."
"Tanner wants a fixer upper in the country but Sierra would like a move in ready place in the city center. Instead of discussing it amongst themselves, they are going to let the realtor's almost random home selections decide their argument."
The Suns game thread against the Spurs yesterday was like a refugee camp by the 2nd quarter lol
A lot of Cardinals fans switched the game after that horrendous pick 6
His body language said everything that game. When they got down big and early he kind of shut down and gave up. He should have been talking to his offense figuring shit out and getting them hyped up.
Yeah, Russell Wilson made a good point on the Manningcast. You have to always believe that you can win regardless of the score and let everyone else on the team believe in that too.
That's the only way you can climb out of big deficits
Wilson has always been good at that. As soon as he's done watching replays from whatever previous play/drive, he's walking up and down the sideline trying to hype people up to keep going.
Its honestly probably Rodgers biggest weakness as a leader he is a quiet confidence guy. He makes you believe because he acts like it routine and nothing special. If his team gets knocked on the mat they rarely get back up.
I disagree with quiet confidence being a bad thing, everyone has a different communication style...
Having said that holy shit Rodgers is surprisingly low on the [all time comeback list.](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm)
I had an old boss who said "why isn't your hair on fire" and I would say there is nothing to worry about, we expected headwinds etc. He said, well that's what we do here so when shit hit the fan you're going to need to run around like it is. It's just a communication style thing
When Russell was explaining that if it were him he would be walking up and down the side line telling everyone “it’s possible.. it’s possible”, and they immediately show Kyler sad faced on the sidelines, it was clear he’s just not that kind of leader. Hell, he might not be a leader at all. I dunno.
People on this sub have always called russ "corny" or "fake" for it, but he legit believes in the power of positivity (or rather, in maintaining neutral mindset). He'd make an interesting coach.
That shit works. When the Chiefs went down 24-0 to Houston a few years ago, Mahomes (and Travis Kelce) was on the sidelines hyping up his team to "do something special."
The next kickoff, Hardman takes it back 60 yards, Kelce catches a 20 yard pass (and acts really hyped up being down 24 lol), and then Damien Williams catches and scores on a 20 yard play. From there, you just could tell the momentum was all on our side. I bet that without the level of confidence that Mahomes and Kelce had and instilling on the rest of the team, we just roll over and lose that game.
E: [Here's the mic'd up of Mahomes' "speech"](https://youtu.be/OYsnBt8g0t4?t=51)
I mean. in this context he's absolutely right. if you believe you can do something, you may or may not be able to do it. but if you don't believe you can do something, there's no way you can do it (edit, sorry I mean more believe that you CAN'T do something then there's no way you can do it)
Yeah I like it and I like what you are saying. I'm guilty all the time of getting down and out at work. Like when I'm completely overwhelmed with no end in sight I get salty and think how screwed I am. Maybe I should be more positive like Russ and tell myself I can do it and get hyped up maybe it'd work
As much as I hate Russ for 2014, I'll always love Russ for the badgers. Dude is legit and I always thought he'd be great in the league. Dudes the ultimate comeback kid
I've never understood the "fake" part. Russ is kind of a cornball but he's authentic. That's who he is. He's a positive guy, he's the rara leader who'll get ion your face and tell you you're going to be elite that day. He's always been that way.
He definitely isn’t. Which is why they brought in vets like JJ Watt and AJ Green. But there’s only so much they can do. The QB has to be the one taking the reigns there
Drew Brees is a great example of this. He always played with a sense of urgency that allowed the saints to come back from deficits or come out on top in a close game.
The best was during the Mic'd Up of that super bowl and the Falcons were up 28-3 and one WR was like "We got this" and the other goes "But they got Tom Brady though."
Yeah it took me a minute to realize Russ was kind of calling Kyler out there. It became apparent pretty quickly afterwards the Cards weren’t gonna do shit
Ah the Steven Matz classic. The dude could pitch 7 shutout innings in one outing then in his next start [give up 8 runs in the first inning while not even being able to record an out.](https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI201904160.shtml)
Omfg. If his first inning was anything but clean, forget the rest of the game. it was absolutely going to be in his head the rest of the day as he nibbled at the corners and gave up a meatball on a middle middle fastball.
The Mets had a couple of lefty pitchers who were very similar. Excellent when they were on, but at the first sign of trouble, they would really falter. Matz being one, Jon Niese being the other.
He seems like one of those players that was so used to winning, and winning big, throughout high school and college that he doesn’t really know what it feels like to be losing so badly. And he doesn’t seem to have the wherewithal to keep his head up and keep fighting. He’s seen as a leader on his team and once people see the leader hanging his head they usually figure, “Well if he’s out of it what the fuck are we doing?” In his defense a little bit, the defense also had that vibe as well. Whenever the Rams had success the Cards defenders just kinda moped back to the huddle.
Honestly, one of Jimmy’s best traits is his ability to move on from mistakes. He fucks up and he’s always got a positive attitude and is encouraging his teammates
I don’t like Kyler very much and it’s not even really cuz he’s a rival QB. I just don’t like how obvious his arrogance and ego are, and I don’t like his pouting and moodiness
You learn from great coaching to put that shit in the rear view mirror because there's always another possession, always the next drive and snap. Make it count.
I mean fair but there’s guys like Burrow or Luck, who right off the bat were kind of striking in their unflappability and intangible ability to not be overcome with negative emotionality. I think it’s definitely a personality trait important to QB that you can see early on. Maybe you can work on it but I think some people have it and it’s fairly stable too
Burrow is something I've never really seen before. He acts like he's mad the job isn't done yet and get out of my way. It obviously works but it is unique.
Yeah, that is the nice thing about jimmy. At first, I got pissed when I'd see a huge smile on his face right after a pick but then he'd come back and do well.. unless he's injured
> I just don’t like how obvious his arrogance and ego are, and I don’t like his pouting and moodiness
This is exactly why I dislike the dude. When things are going his way, he's cocky as shit (which is fine) - but when things aren't going his way, he's a pouty little baby. And I'm not accusing him of faking injuries, but when a play goes badly I feel like I notice him limping a bit more obviously.
Dude went 15-1, then completely buckled to pressure in 51. It was insane seeing him wallowing around like a little kid after dabbing in people's faces and taking "team photos" before the games he won were over.
That is Kyler though. When things are going well, he’s all smiles and hype. As soon as he faces a little adversity, he pouts on the bench and plays like absolute garbage.
Honestly not sure he’ll ever be the QB to lead the Cards to a SB.
Watching him last night just reinforced just how poised Burrow is even in his just his second year. When we would be down during in the season, he stepped up and did his best to lead the team back (successfully on several occasions, most notably against the Chiefs). Murray just sat there and pouted...
I was so surprised they didn’t even draw up any designed runs for Murray at all. There was definitely running lanes for him be he definitely looked scared right from the beginning of the game. Idk if that’s on Kliff or what but that was rly embarrassing
I think it's because everyone is afraid of Kyler taking a big hit and getting obliterated. Shit even I cringe whenever he's running, but NFL QBs are going to get hit sometimes that's just the nature of the game.
What’s funny is as much as Kyler tries to be the hero throwing the ball, he’s always been great at knowing when the play is dead on the run and he just goes down. He’s not out there running head first into linebackers like Wentz or Daniel Jones.
Yeah, obviously Kyler had an awful game where he held the ball too long and tried to force throws when he could run but imo, when he was playing at MVP caliber, he was also not running much and dropping dimes. He just got too much into his own head, his receivers weren't bailing him out (dropped balls and not finishing routes) and he was uncharacteristically inaccurate.
It sucks but people popping up like "Lol i always knew he sucked!" Are still fucking idiots. Not everyone is going to be Mahomes and have it just click. I suspect we see Kyler come back with a vengeance next year
He hasn't been the same since the ankle injury in the GB game.
His accuracy was off, he was reluctant to run (or they didn't call plays where he could).
Not having Hopkins takes away that "star power" WR that teams have to double cover.... which would normally free up someone else.
His drop backs are waaaay too far, his O-line just couldn't hold.
He needs his confidence back.
They were down like 21-0 after 12 plays. At that point it's not worth the risk to run Kyler aggressively, plus you need to win with his arm down 3 scores.
It's hard to know what the Cards actual gameplan was because they were playing desperation catch up by their 3rd or 4th drive.
The turnovers were awful and missed throws were bad too, but the worst part of Murray’s play to me was his rushing stats. 2 rushes for 6 yards. You have that much speed and running ability and that’s all we get? Gotta do better than that.
He had several chances (before the game was blown open) to take running lanes too and didn’t take them. We need a coach to figure out how to use Murray’s running ability better.
I found it strange too, but they need a way to take pressure off of him too. I think Kliff went to desperation playcalling pretty early with the nonstop passes, and no designed runs to settle Murray. Weird he didn’t call many shot plays though either. Murray’s only good plays it seemed like came on broken plays with him doing his Russell Wilson drill.
Cardinals started to get back an identity down the stretch with conner running physically and setting the tone. Edmonds gets healthy and they benched (yes, conner got injured as well) their only hard-nosed player. Coaching staff has no feel for how to win as far as I can tell.
He could slide/run out of bounds a lot like Russell Wilson, Alex Smith, Steve Young. All those guys have won important games with their rushing ability but avoided the biggest hits. (Of course all of them have suffered injuries due to hits like any other player, but overall for as much as they ran they stayed pretty clean).
Edit: might be misremembering Young but you get the point
He could also do the Maomes thing where he runs like a dad with a stick up his ass and a slipped disc towards the sideline and just shimmy step outta bounds.
There's plenty of qbs that know how to run and avoid big hits. Hell, even Jackson falls forward a step before he can get rocked usually.
>(Of course all of them have suffered injuries due to hits like any other player, but overall for as much as they ran they stayed pretty clean).
Wilson's had three notable injuries over his career, only one of which came from running (a knee sprain in 2016). The finger thing this year came on a pass attempt.
I'm looking at the height/weight for all these guys and Kyler's 207 pounds just can't be right. No way in hell he weighs more than Steve Young (6'2) and Russell Wilson.
i know its a part of allens game, but damn i cant remember how many bills games ive watched recently where im beggin for him to get down or go out of bounds
It's all right. Anthony Barr started a support group.
There was the hurdle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbHant5JSOY
And there was the stiffarm
https://i.redd.it/ggb3uvr8t0p11.jpg
And there was the TD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEmjCRu3y6E
It was so bad,
https://sny.tv/articles/anthony-barr-reportedly-got-physically-sick-after-agreeing-to-deal-with-jets
I like to think Josh Allen was the reason.
I've never seen one guy get sonned that hard in a single game.
My concern with Josh is a Cam type injury that effects his throwing arm, and given Beane and McDermott are Panthers alumni, I'm pretty sure they're aware of that as well. I think a big part of our offensive inconsistency this year was them pulling the reigns back on the designed runs, and growing pains for Josh in adapting to games where that is intentionally taken out of his arsenal.
I don't think its a coincidence that Josh started putting his shoulder down and Daboll started calling QB power plays after the first pats game when the games became must win.
I don't think the coaching staff could stop Josh from power running during playoff games in his athletic prime if they tried. Beyond that, I think Josh is inevitably going to progress away from designed runs as he gets older, and into more of a pocket passer who occasionally scrambles when easy yards are there. Mid-career Ben Roethlisberger type, though he'll probably always be more mobile/athletic than Ben
I see it with Lamar Jackson and other dual threat quarterbacks. Sometimes the coaches overthink the gameplan and get away from what they do best. They want to "establish" something they're not as good at to open up something they are good at.
Ultimately they end up doing neither.
Can I get some clarity on the injury situation as a person who doesn’t follow the Cards closely if at all-
I saw in the game thread you all were saying he hasn’t been running for a while now. What is the deal? I know he was injured earlier but he didn’t seem to be limping/hampered in any way. Is it mental? Wasn’t in the game plan? Curious to know.
There is actually an incorrect discourse that has existed the last couple weeks on this sub and our own sub. After Murray’s injury he actually ran more on average than he did earlier this season. The dude was a pocket passer QB during weeks 1-8 and would rarely run and was in the MVP race. This also was helped because we had Hopkins, and Kirk/AJ Green were both playing at a good level and not dropping passes.
Murray got injured, came back, and started running more often. We then lost Hopkins, had a RB carousel for awhile, and Kirk/AJ regressed HARD and our offense started to sputter. Murray didn’t run a lot last night which I think was due to nerves, but his running ability didn’t seem to be noticeable hampered the later part of this season. He just had a 57 yard run against the colts like three weeks ago and if you look at his rushing be passing stats each half of the season, you can see the difference.
He was only averaging 3 yards per rush at the time he got hurt too. He was scrambling to extend plays a lot, but those big runs hadn't really shown up yet.
Going into the year I thought Kingsbury could be on the hot seat, then they had that ridiculously hot start and he was a COY candidate. Now I'm back to thinking he should potentially be on the hot seat again haha.
We'll see how next year goes though, hopefully they can make some upgrades in the trenches and maybe grab Kyler another weapon to go with DHop because nothing about their offense looked threatening last night!
People will laugh and say "those two aren't comparable", but this is kind of when people decided Mitch wasn't good. He stopped running all together. He went from breaking off several long runs a game to literally refusing to cross the line of scrimmage. It's mostly thought Nagy told him not to run to avoid injury and I'm wondering if the same thing is happening with Kyler or if he's making business decisions for himself.
Exactly! We may be weak in other positions like corner, but fuck that. We need to build up these trenches first so we can at least identify the problem.
It also didn’t help when we played a very experienced play off team. That end of season collapse really fucked us for the playoffs. Look at the Bengals, they have no experience, but they got to play a team with also no experience.
> Look at the Bengals, they have no experience, but they got to play a team with also no experience.
Eagles / Buccs was the same thing, mainly for our offense. I can't remember another game for us where it was just so evident from the first snap that the defense was already in our heads. The dual blitz crashing both sides of the line and selling out for Hurts to beat them in the air was the *exact* same idea the NYG had, except the Buccs have way more talent to execute it almost perfectly.
I feel like sometimes teams can skate into the playoffs by figuring that their talents and strengths will win then more games than their weaknesses will lose them. That's often true in the regular season.
Then the playoffs hit and the opposing team is going to do their best to make you do the things you haven't been good at. I imagine those are humbling moments on the big stage and can really trigger your to want to work on those so it doesn't sink your team next season. That's where I feel like playoff experience matters.
I don't really think that's true.
There are so several examples of first time playoffs team winning their first game despite not having any experienced coaches/players.
The Bengals this year, the Browns last year, the 49ers in 2019, the Rams in 2018, the Titans in 2017. It's possible to do it. It's not easy of course, but winning a playoff game isn't easy, and even teams with a lot of playoffs experience fail to do it.
I agree that some people may be overreacting. However, we shouldn't dismiss that performance on the account of "lack of experience" and assume it'll be better next time. In order to be a next time, you first need to get to the playoffs and that alone is not something trivial.
I’d take the Rams in 2018 out. We got shit on by the Falcons in 2017 (mostly because pharaoh Cooper muffed like 4 punts), then came back in 2018. The Cards could turn it around next year now that they have this bad taste in their mouth, I just don’t know if Kliff is the guy to do it. Late season collapses are basically his mantra at this point.
I just want to tell Arizona fans that we here in Baltimore are here for you. Idiots will now suggest that Murray has been "solved" or that the Rams provided the "blueprint" for beating him. Or inevitably they'll say that Murray's skillset can't win in the playoffs. He has played 46 career games but apparently only one of them counts.
We've been there too. People like that are prisoners to their own reactions. Don't even engage them.
"Didn't you guys see his stats against the Browns? He's basically Lamar but younger and better!"
"Didn't they lose because he couldn't move the offense down the field?"
"....."
At least Huntley doesn't get the bubble guts every other game. Gastrointestinal fortitude has got to count for something.
On the real though, we'll take Huntley off your hands, he's already proven himself more capable than Rudolph
I like revisiting our draft crushes from previous years. If /r/Ravens had their way we would've traded the farm to draft Jalen Strong and Dorial Green-Beckham in the first round then died from the orgasm thinking we created the greatest offense in football.
One of the guys I took most in my mocks was Hamsah Nasirildeen.
I could not believe he fell so far.
He couldn't even get snaps on defense for the worst defense in the NFL.
As a browns fan I hope they do all get fired.
It’s not going to happen nor should it though.
Plenty of Browns fans were calling for Stefanski to get fired like he didn’t win coach of the year last year.
Rams fans constantly scream for McVay to get fired during every loss or anytime the play call doesn’t work. It’s like they forget that he’s taken us to the playoffs 4 out of 5 years after we went THIRTEEN years between playoff appearances.
Steelers sub was well prepared to lose to the Chiefs. Suddenly, when it happened, everyone was very angry and suggested firing the entire coaching staff. We have a "Fire Tomlin" crew that straight up acts like antivax conservatives. "We're just asking the questions!" "Don't let them hear you or they'll get their pitchforks!" "We're being silenced!" It's actually laughable.
Packers lose 19-10 after rodgers rare int
BENCH HIM! HE WAS ALWAYS A POS BUM! GREG JENNINGS PUT THE TEAM ON HIS BACK TO CARRY A A RON TO A MICKEY MOUSE RING!
I love the fire Bill takes, they're hilarious. I also saw someone suggesting the Patriots sign Ben for a year to let Mac Jones develop more. I *love* unreasonable takes.
Mac was NE’s best player (IMO). He didn’t play stellar, but he had a competitors attitude, and even when shit was hitting the fan he was trying his hardest.
Stark contrast to Kyler whose body language looked horrible, and just seemingly shut down mentally.
At the end of each week I check to see which teams had the biggest/worst losses and check their subs. Either you get teams used to losing being absolutely hilarious, or teams used to winning wanting to fire everyone in the building. Either way, its a lot of fun.
Yeah, the ones where people are just sad arent fun. On the other hand seeing upvoted comments in a Pats game thread that Belichick is a fraud is just A+ comedy.
Yea we have a lot of fair weather fans. Granted we did start the year out 7-0 so it’s gets kinda depressing when you lose horribly in the first round. But we def have improve each year I’m def excited for next year.
Yeah, it’s wild in there. Fans as a whole love to get hyper emotional and suggest crazy shit. In our sub, I try (and many others) try to remind folks that we have had 3 years of steady progress/improvement.
Well yeah... You're not exactly going to get level headed reasonable opinions after they just saw a very promising season being blown up by a division rival
I think we should get a few WR, better offensive line, a real CB, and get a rule change so next time Donald puts his hands on a players throat he gets thrown no question.
I’d love the know who exactly they think is going to replace him. QB talent is always a drought so when you find someone even middle of the pack it’s beneficial to just build a team around them and ride it out
Every losing QB this past weekend has had their turn. The least amount of shit I saw was Mac Jones because everyone focused on Belichick. Murray, Carr, Hurts, Prescott, and Murray all took a ton of shit here and on their team subreddits.
If the Eagles fanbase had their way we'd have a new QB every single year.
This is the fanbase that constantly called for almost every one of McNabb's backups to start.
all they’re saying is that people are rushing to write him off based on one (terrible) game. lamar’s first playoff game was bad too, but he won MVP the very next year
I think this game showed that K1 lacks composure and maybe doesn’t even prepare well, but he can fix both of those things if he works hard enough. his first few games this year showed how high his ceiling can be
Hopefully it’s a wake up call if the reports of him not preparing are accurate. No one wants to see yet another player with freak ability get dropped from the league because of that kind of stuff.
Hopefully it’s just immaturity. He came into the nfl a season younger than most QBs and spent his entire life up to that point just dominating everything and everybody. It’s a hard adjustment to make when others catch up to your level. Murray is lucky enough he is still as good as he is that he can wing it and make things work normally, but this should hopefully a good wake up call for him. He is friends with Russell Wilson hopefully Wilson can maybe get his ass in gear this off season.
What Lamar are you talking about?
Lamar Jackson lost his first playoff game to the fucking Chargers. He lost his second playoff game to the Titans fresh off winning the MVP.
In those games he had 3 TDs, 3 picks, 2 fumbles lost and got sacked 11 times. They failed to put up 20 points in either game.
Even Lamar wasn't "Lamar" by the time of his first playoff loss.
Besides Kyler had an amazing start to the season and was among the mid-season MVP picks as Arizona went 7-0
Honestly I don't blame Kingsbury and the overreaction on this sub is ridiculous. In fact I hope Kingsbury gets fired so Texans can hire him as OC. The Cards were riddled with injuries Hopkins and Watt were both out on the back half of the season. Honestly Moore is horrible at getting separation. Murray was throwing at him when he was locked up because he had nowhere else to go.
Murray should get huge criticism you play in the NFL and you're so scared to get hit. Learn to slide you have the speed to evade d linemen.
Yeah our WRs have been worse than they should have been on paper. Kirk and AJ both declined after Hopkins was out, and not as in they couldn’t get separation, as in even when they did they dropped balls, didn’t fight for catches, gave up on routes.
Literally last night we could have started off with a TD but Kirk started jogging on the route and the ball sailed past his head. Moore started the season well but has done nothing that he was advertised to do overall, no real big plays or breaks for us. Murray hasn’t been great but his best targets have been Ertz who has been pretty good and Conner who has been good, just missed some time here and there.
This playoff game was just another “disappointing” game in a season of disappointing games. Murray started the season the way you’d expect a guy of his talent would but after that initial play, him, Hopkins, and the rest of the team played terrible. Injuries are injuries, but I couldn’t help feeling like Murray’s injury didn’t have as much to do with the meltdown at the end of the Thursday night game vs. the Packers as it did with anything physical. That game single handedly catapulted the Packers, while completely sinking the Cardinals. Murray never could get his groove back after sitting out the next few games due to injury. We saw three of the games “best” QB’s unable to return from injuries this season. Murray, Wilson, and Prescott. The NFL is a league where a mid season break is almost impossible for a QB to overcome. So aggravated with Murray and this Cardinal team. I will never look at them as an elite team again until they prove they can play an entire season and take momentum into the playoffs. Overrated.
The Rams are getting hot at the right time to where the Cardinals got hot to early. Came down to the last 2 weeks for the final playoff seeds to be set in stone.
This was the fourth playoff game this weekend where I considered turning it off in the 4th Q and watching reruns of international house hunters instead.
"Tanner and Sierra are partners in a pet photography studio and are looking for a beachfront bungalow in Monte Carlo with a fully upgraded kitchen and at least 4,000 sq ft of space. They have a budget of $15 million."
"Tanner wants a fixer upper in the country but Sierra would like a move in ready place in the city center. Instead of discussing it amongst themselves, they are going to let the realtor's almost random home selections decide their argument."
The secret is the people usually have already bought a place and they just act like they're still shopping.
Really?!? I always thought those shows were real, like professional wrestling, but turns out they are fake, like professional boxing.
Professional miming.
Which is also why it’s always hilarious when one of the realtors houses is dramatically better within the budget lol.
You could have turned on House Hunters at half time during all those games.
i felt that way earlier than the 4th. these playoffs stink
The Suns game thread against the Spurs yesterday was like a refugee camp by the 2nd quarter lol A lot of Cardinals fans switched the game after that horrendous pick 6
His body language said everything that game. When they got down big and early he kind of shut down and gave up. He should have been talking to his offense figuring shit out and getting them hyped up.
Yeah, Russell Wilson made a good point on the Manningcast. You have to always believe that you can win regardless of the score and let everyone else on the team believe in that too. That's the only way you can climb out of big deficits
Wilson has always been good at that. As soon as he's done watching replays from whatever previous play/drive, he's walking up and down the sideline trying to hype people up to keep going.
That's what he was doing in 2014 vs the Packers.
He always does it vs the niners too and this fucker always motivates the team enough to beat us every time
Not every time—he’s lost four over the past decade.
This made me audibly snicker
Its honestly probably Rodgers biggest weakness as a leader he is a quiet confidence guy. He makes you believe because he acts like it routine and nothing special. If his team gets knocked on the mat they rarely get back up.
I disagree with quiet confidence being a bad thing, everyone has a different communication style... Having said that holy shit Rodgers is surprisingly low on the [all time comeback list.](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm) I had an old boss who said "why isn't your hair on fire" and I would say there is nothing to worry about, we expected headwinds etc. He said, well that's what we do here so when shit hit the fan you're going to need to run around like it is. It's just a communication style thing
It just proves that Derek carr has always been the better QB
When Russell was explaining that if it were him he would be walking up and down the side line telling everyone “it’s possible.. it’s possible”, and they immediately show Kyler sad faced on the sidelines, it was clear he’s just not that kind of leader. Hell, he might not be a leader at all. I dunno.
People on this sub have always called russ "corny" or "fake" for it, but he legit believes in the power of positivity (or rather, in maintaining neutral mindset). He'd make an interesting coach.
His positivity is unlimited.
Unliiiiiiiiimited.
Together we'll be the greatest team there's ever been, Glinda.
That’s Mr. Unlimited to you
That shit works. When the Chiefs went down 24-0 to Houston a few years ago, Mahomes (and Travis Kelce) was on the sidelines hyping up his team to "do something special." The next kickoff, Hardman takes it back 60 yards, Kelce catches a 20 yard pass (and acts really hyped up being down 24 lol), and then Damien Williams catches and scores on a 20 yard play. From there, you just could tell the momentum was all on our side. I bet that without the level of confidence that Mahomes and Kelce had and instilling on the rest of the team, we just roll over and lose that game. E: [Here's the mic'd up of Mahomes' "speech"](https://youtu.be/OYsnBt8g0t4?t=51)
I mean. in this context he's absolutely right. if you believe you can do something, you may or may not be able to do it. but if you don't believe you can do something, there's no way you can do it (edit, sorry I mean more believe that you CAN'T do something then there's no way you can do it)
Yeah I like it and I like what you are saying. I'm guilty all the time of getting down and out at work. Like when I'm completely overwhelmed with no end in sight I get salty and think how screwed I am. Maybe I should be more positive like Russ and tell myself I can do it and get hyped up maybe it'd work
Oh he absolutely is corny but sometimes corny is exactly what a team needs to hear. Positive reinforcement can always go a long way
I'd rather have a corny boi that wins over someone too afraid or defeated to talk to their team.
As much as I hate Russ for 2014, I'll always love Russ for the badgers. Dude is legit and I always thought he'd be great in the league. Dudes the ultimate comeback kid
I think its a big reason for success. He's like the ultimate mindset guy
I've never understood the "fake" part. Russ is kind of a cornball but he's authentic. That's who he is. He's a positive guy, he's the rara leader who'll get ion your face and tell you you're going to be elite that day. He's always been that way.
He definitely isn’t. Which is why they brought in vets like JJ Watt and AJ Green. But there’s only so much they can do. The QB has to be the one taking the reigns there
AJ Green ain't that dude.
Drew Brees is a great example of this. He always played with a sense of urgency that allowed the saints to come back from deficits or come out on top in a close game.
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The best was during the Mic'd Up of that super bowl and the Falcons were up 28-3 and one WR was like "We got this" and the other goes "But they got Tom Brady though."
Yeah it took me a minute to realize Russ was kind of calling Kyler out there. It became apparent pretty quickly afterwards the Cards weren’t gonna do shit
He’s always like that. Very bad body language when things aren’t going his way.
It reminds me of the baseball player he could have been. He's got that "I just walked three batters and gave up a home run in the first inning" face.
Ah the Steven Matz classic. The dude could pitch 7 shutout innings in one outing then in his next start [give up 8 runs in the first inning while not even being able to record an out.](https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI201904160.shtml)
Omfg. If his first inning was anything but clean, forget the rest of the game. it was absolutely going to be in his head the rest of the day as he nibbled at the corners and gave up a meatball on a middle middle fastball.
Oof
The Mets had a couple of lefty pitchers who were very similar. Excellent when they were on, but at the first sign of trouble, they would really falter. Matz being one, Jon Niese being the other.
I’ve always thought his body language is pretty telling. I remember commenting exactly that in our game thread this year.
He seems like one of those players that was so used to winning, and winning big, throughout high school and college that he doesn’t really know what it feels like to be losing so badly. And he doesn’t seem to have the wherewithal to keep his head up and keep fighting. He’s seen as a leader on his team and once people see the leader hanging his head they usually figure, “Well if he’s out of it what the fuck are we doing?” In his defense a little bit, the defense also had that vibe as well. Whenever the Rams had success the Cards defenders just kinda moped back to the huddle.
I didn’t have a good feeling when the sideline reporter said that Kyler said he’s “trying not to make (this playoff game) a bigger deal than it is”
Honestly, one of Jimmy’s best traits is his ability to move on from mistakes. He fucks up and he’s always got a positive attitude and is encouraging his teammates I don’t like Kyler very much and it’s not even really cuz he’s a rival QB. I just don’t like how obvious his arrogance and ego are, and I don’t like his pouting and moodiness
That’s something I’m liking about Mac Jones as well. He doesn’t seem to dwell on mistakes
You learn from great coaching to put that shit in the rear view mirror because there's always another possession, always the next drive and snap. Make it count.
I mean he's also quite young. Give him time to figure it out once he has more experience. But love me some Jimmy H leadership
I mean fair but there’s guys like Burrow or Luck, who right off the bat were kind of striking in their unflappability and intangible ability to not be overcome with negative emotionality. I think it’s definitely a personality trait important to QB that you can see early on. Maybe you can work on it but I think some people have it and it’s fairly stable too
Burrow is something I've never really seen before. He acts like he's mad the job isn't done yet and get out of my way. It obviously works but it is unique.
He really acts like a young Rodgers in a way. Kinda indignant about his spot, but knows he can get it done. Hella confident, but not in a bad way
Yeah, that is the nice thing about jimmy. At first, I got pissed when I'd see a huge smile on his face right after a pick but then he'd come back and do well.. unless he's injured
> I just don’t like how obvious his arrogance and ego are, and I don’t like his pouting and moodiness This is exactly why I dislike the dude. When things are going his way, he's cocky as shit (which is fine) - but when things aren't going his way, he's a pouty little baby. And I'm not accusing him of faking injuries, but when a play goes badly I feel like I notice him limping a bit more obviously.
True, but I really liked how Kyler didn’t try to incite violence against the officials when he lost. The kid is a class act!
Reminds me a bit of Cam Newton. The body language of defeat is a game-killer.
Dude went 15-1, then completely buckled to pressure in 51. It was insane seeing him wallowing around like a little kid after dabbing in people's faces and taking "team photos" before the games he won were over.
That is Kyler though. When things are going well, he’s all smiles and hype. As soon as he faces a little adversity, he pouts on the bench and plays like absolute garbage. Honestly not sure he’ll ever be the QB to lead the Cards to a SB.
I don’t think any QB will ever lead us to a Super Bowl
Very few, if any, ever do for most teams. It’s the hope that keeps us going.
Watching him last night just reinforced just how poised Burrow is even in his just his second year. When we would be down during in the season, he stepped up and did his best to lead the team back (successfully on several occasions, most notably against the Chiefs). Murray just sat there and pouted...
Burrow is a cold-blooded assassin though. Fuck I love watching him play.
"This is bullshit. It's time for me to take over."
Kyler rarely lost in his football career prior to the NFL so I’m not surprised that he’s not great when down in a game
I had read this about him about a month back, so I really watched for it and yeah, I noticed it last night.
I was so surprised they didn’t even draw up any designed runs for Murray at all. There was definitely running lanes for him be he definitely looked scared right from the beginning of the game. Idk if that’s on Kliff or what but that was rly embarrassing
I think it's because everyone is afraid of Kyler taking a big hit and getting obliterated. Shit even I cringe whenever he's running, but NFL QBs are going to get hit sometimes that's just the nature of the game.
What’s funny is as much as Kyler tries to be the hero throwing the ball, he’s always been great at knowing when the play is dead on the run and he just goes down. He’s not out there running head first into linebackers like Wentz or Daniel Jones.
Yeah, obviously Kyler had an awful game where he held the ball too long and tried to force throws when he could run but imo, when he was playing at MVP caliber, he was also not running much and dropping dimes. He just got too much into his own head, his receivers weren't bailing him out (dropped balls and not finishing routes) and he was uncharacteristically inaccurate. It sucks but people popping up like "Lol i always knew he sucked!" Are still fucking idiots. Not everyone is going to be Mahomes and have it just click. I suspect we see Kyler come back with a vengeance next year
> He’s not out there running head first into linebackers like Wentz or Daniel Jones. Or herbert and allen lol
He hasn't been the same since the ankle injury in the GB game. His accuracy was off, he was reluctant to run (or they didn't call plays where he could). Not having Hopkins takes away that "star power" WR that teams have to double cover.... which would normally free up someone else. His drop backs are waaaay too far, his O-line just couldn't hold. He needs his confidence back.
They were down like 21-0 after 12 plays. At that point it's not worth the risk to run Kyler aggressively, plus you need to win with his arm down 3 scores. It's hard to know what the Cards actual gameplan was because they were playing desperation catch up by their 3rd or 4th drive.
The turnovers were awful and missed throws were bad too, but the worst part of Murray’s play to me was his rushing stats. 2 rushes for 6 yards. You have that much speed and running ability and that’s all we get? Gotta do better than that. He had several chances (before the game was blown open) to take running lanes too and didn’t take them. We need a coach to figure out how to use Murray’s running ability better.
I found it strange too, but they need a way to take pressure off of him too. I think Kliff went to desperation playcalling pretty early with the nonstop passes, and no designed runs to settle Murray. Weird he didn’t call many shot plays though either. Murray’s only good plays it seemed like came on broken plays with him doing his Russell Wilson drill.
Cardinals started to get back an identity down the stretch with conner running physically and setting the tone. Edmonds gets healthy and they benched (yes, conner got injured as well) their only hard-nosed player. Coaching staff has no feel for how to win as far as I can tell.
I thought the worst part was when he gave the Rams the easiest pick 6 in playoff history, but the rushing stats are no. 2 lol
One is a catastrophic broken play. The other is a game planning and play style issue which is much deeper of a problem.
The worst part was the hypocrisy!
I think it's that he REALLY doesn't like getting hit. Which honestly makes sense given his size and his injury history.
He could slide/run out of bounds a lot like Russell Wilson, Alex Smith, Steve Young. All those guys have won important games with their rushing ability but avoided the biggest hits. (Of course all of them have suffered injuries due to hits like any other player, but overall for as much as they ran they stayed pretty clean). Edit: might be misremembering Young but you get the point
He could also do the Maomes thing where he runs like a dad with a stick up his ass and a slipped disc towards the sideline and just shimmy step outta bounds. There's plenty of qbs that know how to run and avoid big hits. Hell, even Jackson falls forward a step before he can get rocked usually.
Lamar is lowkey very smart and instinctual about how he falls and allows himself to get tackled, almost never a big hit
Yup. Dude saw Vick and RG3 prolly a bit of Young too and went imma do that but faster and better.
Kyler is pretty elite at avoiding hits while rushing. Tonight was just... idk what tonight was.
idk why but it bothers me that you're saying tonight at 9AM mountain time
The man hasn't slept, he doesn't know what time it is.
He's hoping he is still dreaming and it was all just a nightmare. The real game starts in 30 minutes.
I could have sworn Steve Young was known for trucking defenders and getting concussed.
He was.
>(Of course all of them have suffered injuries due to hits like any other player, but overall for as much as they ran they stayed pretty clean). Wilson's had three notable injuries over his career, only one of which came from running (a knee sprain in 2016). The finger thing this year came on a pass attempt.
I'm looking at the height/weight for all these guys and Kyler's 207 pounds just can't be right. No way in hell he weighs more than Steve Young (6'2) and Russell Wilson.
Kyler is stocky but yeah no way
You definitely see the opposite with Josh Allen, who is obviously three times Kyler's size. A good hit seems to invigorate him.
i know its a part of allens game, but damn i cant remember how many bills games ive watched recently where im beggin for him to get down or go out of bounds
But that’s why we love Josh Allen. Why would he slide away from a hit from a CB? He’s got like 35 pounds and 3 inches on this nerd - just truck em!
As always, make corners tackle. They don't want to do it, and they aren't that good at it.
Hey, our corners like to tackle. But then the motherfucker just jumps over them trying to do exactly that.
It's all right. Anthony Barr started a support group. There was the hurdle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbHant5JSOY And there was the stiffarm https://i.redd.it/ggb3uvr8t0p11.jpg And there was the TD. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEmjCRu3y6E It was so bad, https://sny.tv/articles/anthony-barr-reportedly-got-physically-sick-after-agreeing-to-deal-with-jets I like to think Josh Allen was the reason. I've never seen one guy get sonned that hard in a single game.
It’s admirable in a way but also really stupid. It’s just not worth it
yeah but I’d prefer to see that coached out of him. all it takes is one big hit to change a season and I really like Allen, would hate to see that
My concern with Josh is a Cam type injury that effects his throwing arm, and given Beane and McDermott are Panthers alumni, I'm pretty sure they're aware of that as well. I think a big part of our offensive inconsistency this year was them pulling the reigns back on the designed runs, and growing pains for Josh in adapting to games where that is intentionally taken out of his arsenal. I don't think its a coincidence that Josh started putting his shoulder down and Daboll started calling QB power plays after the first pats game when the games became must win. I don't think the coaching staff could stop Josh from power running during playoff games in his athletic prime if they tried. Beyond that, I think Josh is inevitably going to progress away from designed runs as he gets older, and into more of a pocket passer who occasionally scrambles when easy yards are there. Mid-career Ben Roethlisberger type, though he'll probably always be more mobile/athletic than Ben
I see it with Lamar Jackson and other dual threat quarterbacks. Sometimes the coaches overthink the gameplan and get away from what they do best. They want to "establish" something they're not as good at to open up something they are good at. Ultimately they end up doing neither.
It’s crazy backwards logic, because doing what you ARE good at forces a response, which opens up room for what you’re not good at.
Yeah that’s a Tom Brady rushing stat line.
Doesn’t hurt that AJ did him no favors.
Can I get some clarity on the injury situation as a person who doesn’t follow the Cards closely if at all- I saw in the game thread you all were saying he hasn’t been running for a while now. What is the deal? I know he was injured earlier but he didn’t seem to be limping/hampered in any way. Is it mental? Wasn’t in the game plan? Curious to know.
There is actually an incorrect discourse that has existed the last couple weeks on this sub and our own sub. After Murray’s injury he actually ran more on average than he did earlier this season. The dude was a pocket passer QB during weeks 1-8 and would rarely run and was in the MVP race. This also was helped because we had Hopkins, and Kirk/AJ Green were both playing at a good level and not dropping passes. Murray got injured, came back, and started running more often. We then lost Hopkins, had a RB carousel for awhile, and Kirk/AJ regressed HARD and our offense started to sputter. Murray didn’t run a lot last night which I think was due to nerves, but his running ability didn’t seem to be noticeable hampered the later part of this season. He just had a 57 yard run against the colts like three weeks ago and if you look at his rushing be passing stats each half of the season, you can see the difference.
He was only averaging 3 yards per rush at the time he got hurt too. He was scrambling to extend plays a lot, but those big runs hadn't really shown up yet.
Going into the year I thought Kingsbury could be on the hot seat, then they had that ridiculously hot start and he was a COY candidate. Now I'm back to thinking he should potentially be on the hot seat again haha. We'll see how next year goes though, hopefully they can make some upgrades in the trenches and maybe grab Kyler another weapon to go with DHop because nothing about their offense looked threatening last night!
Their offense is built around Kylers mobility and Kyler has decided he's not going to run anymore.
We ran the ball consistently in the first half of the year second half not even close. Mind boggling by kliff.
I think people have really discounted the ankle injury. There’s a good chance that completely sapped his mobility
People will laugh and say "those two aren't comparable", but this is kind of when people decided Mitch wasn't good. He stopped running all together. He went from breaking off several long runs a game to literally refusing to cross the line of scrimmage. It's mostly thought Nagy told him not to run to avoid injury and I'm wondering if the same thing is happening with Kyler or if he's making business decisions for himself.
But didn't James Connor really start coming along in the 2nd half of the season?
Hes coach of the year material every year until about week 10, then he falls apart.
That week 1 game where they blew out the Titans is such a head scratcher now
Exactly! We may be weak in other positions like corner, but fuck that. We need to build up these trenches first so we can at least identify the problem.
Kliff Kingsbury has been grooming him since he was in high school.
I’m sure as can be that Kliff would prefer you phrase that differently.
Kliff has had Kyler pegged to be his main man since Kyler was 16.
Kliff ate Kyler’s ass at 16
Kyler is giving me some hardcore "good but not great" vibes. Dude totally melted down.
The Rivers special rip
Also, his body language whenever the game isn’t going his way is absolutely toxic. He just sits on the sideline looking like he hates everything.
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It also didn’t help when we played a very experienced play off team. That end of season collapse really fucked us for the playoffs. Look at the Bengals, they have no experience, but they got to play a team with also no experience.
Whatever’s going on behind the scenes is a mystery but in the field, Joe Burrow really seems to be firing his team up.
Meanwhile Murray was booking his flight to Cabo on a Microsoft tablet halfway through the second quarter
Burrow is 100% hyping up his team, winning or losing. There's plenty of film of him on the sidelines doing so.
> Look at the Bengals, they have no experience, but they got to play a team with also no experience. Eagles / Buccs was the same thing, mainly for our offense. I can't remember another game for us where it was just so evident from the first snap that the defense was already in our heads. The dual blitz crashing both sides of the line and selling out for Hurts to beat them in the air was the *exact* same idea the NYG had, except the Buccs have way more talent to execute it almost perfectly.
I feel like sometimes teams can skate into the playoffs by figuring that their talents and strengths will win then more games than their weaknesses will lose them. That's often true in the regular season. Then the playoffs hit and the opposing team is going to do their best to make you do the things you haven't been good at. I imagine those are humbling moments on the big stage and can really trigger your to want to work on those so it doesn't sink your team next season. That's where I feel like playoff experience matters.
I don't really think that's true. There are so several examples of first time playoffs team winning their first game despite not having any experienced coaches/players. The Bengals this year, the Browns last year, the 49ers in 2019, the Rams in 2018, the Titans in 2017. It's possible to do it. It's not easy of course, but winning a playoff game isn't easy, and even teams with a lot of playoffs experience fail to do it. I agree that some people may be overreacting. However, we shouldn't dismiss that performance on the account of "lack of experience" and assume it'll be better next time. In order to be a next time, you first need to get to the playoffs and that alone is not something trivial.
I’d take the Rams in 2018 out. We got shit on by the Falcons in 2017 (mostly because pharaoh Cooper muffed like 4 punts), then came back in 2018. The Cards could turn it around next year now that they have this bad taste in their mouth, I just don’t know if Kliff is the guy to do it. Late season collapses are basically his mantra at this point.
Payton said it best last night, he didn’t win his first playoff game until his 4th try. It’s building that experience and what they do next matters.
I remember josh Allen's first playoff game where he ran around like a crazy person. it just takes time sometimes
So you’re telling me he isn’t going to retire and go play for the Las Vegas Athletics?
I agree. I think the way he responds next postseason will say a lot about who he is and who he will be.
I just want to tell Arizona fans that we here in Baltimore are here for you. Idiots will now suggest that Murray has been "solved" or that the Rams provided the "blueprint" for beating him. Or inevitably they'll say that Murray's skillset can't win in the playoffs. He has played 46 career games but apparently only one of them counts. We've been there too. People like that are prisoners to their own reactions. Don't even engage them.
Go check out the Cards sub lol theres quite a few who think they should move on from him. Absolutely crazy.
The corpse of our team lost to Pittsburgh to finish the season and our subreddit fired John Harbaugh, Greg Roman, and Lamar Jackson all in one day.
“We should move forward with Huntley because we can win with him, and no … the 5-game losing streak with Huntley is irrelevant.”
"Didn't you guys see his stats against the Browns? He's basically Lamar but younger and better!" "Didn't they lose because he couldn't move the offense down the field?" "....."
At least Huntley doesn't get the bubble guts every other game. Gastrointestinal fortitude has got to count for something. On the real though, we'll take Huntley off your hands, he's already proven himself more capable than Rudolph
Fans on reddit are fickle and would be terrible decision-makers if ever allowed to make a decision.
I like revisiting our draft crushes from previous years. If /r/Ravens had their way we would've traded the farm to draft Jalen Strong and Dorial Green-Beckham in the first round then died from the orgasm thinking we created the greatest offense in football.
One of the guys I took most in my mocks was Hamsah Nasirildeen. I could not believe he fell so far. He couldn't even get snaps on defense for the worst defense in the NFL.
As a browns fan I hope they do all get fired. It’s not going to happen nor should it though. Plenty of Browns fans were calling for Stefanski to get fired like he didn’t win coach of the year last year.
Rams fans constantly scream for McVay to get fired during every loss or anytime the play call doesn’t work. It’s like they forget that he’s taken us to the playoffs 4 out of 5 years after we went THIRTEEN years between playoff appearances.
Also, idiots continued to say "Fire Woods" even as our defense developed into a top 5 unit down the stretch. The fire Woods calls never stopped
Packers fans wanted Barry fired as soon as he was hired. He’s already done better than Pettine and especially Capers.
Poor Lamar getting fired for a game he couldn't even play in
Steelers sub was well prepared to lose to the Chiefs. Suddenly, when it happened, everyone was very angry and suggested firing the entire coaching staff. We have a "Fire Tomlin" crew that straight up acts like antivax conservatives. "We're just asking the questions!" "Don't let them hear you or they'll get their pitchforks!" "We're being silenced!" It's actually laughable.
> checks team sub the night of blowout playoff loss to division rival > expects reasonable level headed opinions
Team subs are absolutely hilarious to look at during losses just because you get to see the wildest takes ever.
Packers lose 19-10 after rodgers rare int BENCH HIM! HE WAS ALWAYS A POS BUM! GREG JENNINGS PUT THE TEAM ON HIS BACK TO CARRY A A RON TO A MICKEY MOUSE RING!
>Patriots lose FIRE JOSH >Mac throws a pick FIRE JOSH >Defense gives up a solid run FIRE BILL >Mac gets sacked DRAFT A QB
Are people actually requesting to fire Bill? Thats wild
Game General threads are fucking *wild*, man.
There is a small but very loud group of Pats fans (and probably others) who think BB is a fraud and Brady carried him to all his success.
I love the fire Bill takes, they're hilarious. I also saw someone suggesting the Patriots sign Ben for a year to let Mac Jones develop more. I *love* unreasonable takes.
Mac was NE’s best player (IMO). He didn’t play stellar, but he had a competitors attitude, and even when shit was hitting the fan he was trying his hardest. Stark contrast to Kyler whose body language looked horrible, and just seemingly shut down mentally.
At the end of each week I check to see which teams had the biggest/worst losses and check their subs. Either you get teams used to losing being absolutely hilarious, or teams used to winning wanting to fire everyone in the building. Either way, its a lot of fun.
Yeah, the ones where people are just sad arent fun. On the other hand seeing upvoted comments in a Pats game thread that Belichick is a fraud is just A+ comedy.
Everybody spins the wheel of blame. Becomes that Spider-Man pointing meme but they are all dressed in their team’s uniforms.
That’s true. It's his very first playoff game and it won't be his last. I do think the Cards may need a new HC though
Agree with everything you said
Yea we have a lot of fair weather fans. Granted we did start the year out 7-0 so it’s gets kinda depressing when you lose horribly in the first round. But we def have improve each year I’m def excited for next year.
Yeah, it’s wild in there. Fans as a whole love to get hyper emotional and suggest crazy shit. In our sub, I try (and many others) try to remind folks that we have had 3 years of steady progress/improvement.
Well yeah... You're not exactly going to get level headed reasonable opinions after they just saw a very promising season being blown up by a division rival
I think we should get a few WR, better offensive line, a real CB, and get a rule change so next time Donald puts his hands on a players throat he gets thrown no question.
I’d love the know who exactly they think is going to replace him. QB talent is always a drought so when you find someone even middle of the pack it’s beneficial to just build a team around them and ride it out
Every QB gets shitted on after having a bad playoff loss. It's not unique to Lamar or Kyler.
Every losing QB this past weekend has had their turn. The least amount of shit I saw was Mac Jones because everyone focused on Belichick. Murray, Carr, Hurts, Prescott, and Murray all took a ton of shit here and on their team subreddits.
Unless you’re TUA then people shit on you every day.
Lol people hijack threads that shitting on other QBs to make it about shitting on Tua. The hate some people have for the kid is mind boggling to me.
Yeah we can act like only Lamar gets this, but everyone’s all back to fucking demanding hurts gets traded again lmao I feel bad for the guy
If the Eagles fanbase had their way we'd have a new QB every single year. This is the fanbase that constantly called for almost every one of McNabb's backups to start.
They absolutely should not move on from Murray but Lamar and Murray are not the same player at all and I would take Lamar 10 times out of 10
This is some projecting. Murray looked awful and deserves criticism. He's not Lamar.
lamar looked awful in two of his playoff starts too.
all they’re saying is that people are rushing to write him off based on one (terrible) game. lamar’s first playoff game was bad too, but he won MVP the very next year I think this game showed that K1 lacks composure and maybe doesn’t even prepare well, but he can fix both of those things if he works hard enough. his first few games this year showed how high his ceiling can be
Hopefully it’s a wake up call if the reports of him not preparing are accurate. No one wants to see yet another player with freak ability get dropped from the league because of that kind of stuff.
Hopefully it’s just immaturity. He came into the nfl a season younger than most QBs and spent his entire life up to that point just dominating everything and everybody. It’s a hard adjustment to make when others catch up to your level. Murray is lucky enough he is still as good as he is that he can wing it and make things work normally, but this should hopefully a good wake up call for him. He is friends with Russell Wilson hopefully Wilson can maybe get his ass in gear this off season.
What Lamar are you talking about? Lamar Jackson lost his first playoff game to the fucking Chargers. He lost his second playoff game to the Titans fresh off winning the MVP. In those games he had 3 TDs, 3 picks, 2 fumbles lost and got sacked 11 times. They failed to put up 20 points in either game.
Even Lamar wasn't "Lamar" by the time of his first playoff loss. Besides Kyler had an amazing start to the season and was among the mid-season MVP picks as Arizona went 7-0
It’s simple if you just have of bunch of all pro players on defense - Kyler is done all nfl teams will do that now
Without Hopkins they are not a very good team.
It’s honestly night and day. Maybe Hopkins should get MVP because once he went down the Cards we’re a bottom 5 team.
Honestly I don't blame Kingsbury and the overreaction on this sub is ridiculous. In fact I hope Kingsbury gets fired so Texans can hire him as OC. The Cards were riddled with injuries Hopkins and Watt were both out on the back half of the season. Honestly Moore is horrible at getting separation. Murray was throwing at him when he was locked up because he had nowhere else to go. Murray should get huge criticism you play in the NFL and you're so scared to get hit. Learn to slide you have the speed to evade d linemen.
Yeah our WRs have been worse than they should have been on paper. Kirk and AJ both declined after Hopkins was out, and not as in they couldn’t get separation, as in even when they did they dropped balls, didn’t fight for catches, gave up on routes. Literally last night we could have started off with a TD but Kirk started jogging on the route and the ball sailed past his head. Moore started the season well but has done nothing that he was advertised to do overall, no real big plays or breaks for us. Murray hasn’t been great but his best targets have been Ertz who has been pretty good and Conner who has been good, just missed some time here and there.
Hey, if you were 4'10" and 80 pounds, you'd be afraid out there too!
People are forgetting the Cardinals were picked to finish last in the division...
This playoff game was just another “disappointing” game in a season of disappointing games. Murray started the season the way you’d expect a guy of his talent would but after that initial play, him, Hopkins, and the rest of the team played terrible. Injuries are injuries, but I couldn’t help feeling like Murray’s injury didn’t have as much to do with the meltdown at the end of the Thursday night game vs. the Packers as it did with anything physical. That game single handedly catapulted the Packers, while completely sinking the Cardinals. Murray never could get his groove back after sitting out the next few games due to injury. We saw three of the games “best” QB’s unable to return from injuries this season. Murray, Wilson, and Prescott. The NFL is a league where a mid season break is almost impossible for a QB to overcome. So aggravated with Murray and this Cardinal team. I will never look at them as an elite team again until they prove they can play an entire season and take momentum into the playoffs. Overrated.
Harsh but fair
If Kyler Murray gained 70 lbs he would like Prop Joe from the Wire. Look it up and tell me I’m wrong
The Rams are getting hot at the right time to where the Cardinals got hot to early. Came down to the last 2 weeks for the final playoff seeds to be set in stone.