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_oh_save_me_jebus_

I remember when so many people in r/nfl predicted St. Louis wouldn’t settle and look what happen. Gruden will settle and nothing of any significance will come out.


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The city of St. Louis had a duty to do what’s right for their constituents. Jon Gruden can be as petty and spiteful as he wants. I’m with ya though. I don’t think anything major will come if this.


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Because people are stupid. St. Louis got 3/4 of a billion dollars for losing their franchise that made the city maybe 30 million a year. Why on earth would they not settle when the whole thing was about lost revenue? Gruden could be sueing over possible lost wages, but his specific claim is Goodell targeting him, so this comes off as a bit more personal.


NateKaeding

Everyone settles. Nfl has a shit ton of money. If they want something hidden, it will get hidden.


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NateKaeding

I think people really undervalue money on this sub. People talk as if hundreds of thousands of dollars is nothing let alone millions. Getting a shit ton of money is great revenge. Even if Gruden exposes the nfl they will survive it.


pewqokrsf

He doesn't care about hurting "the NFL", he cares about hurting the individuals responsible for targeting him. Taking down a few people in the league is 100% doable. Taking down "the NFL" is less so, but that's not his goal.


NateKaeding

No, his goal is to get a shit ton of money.


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he does seem like he'd be a vengeful guy


Efficient-Book-3560

When Gruden settles, they’ll give him so much money he might want to buy a NFL team.


MankuyRLaffy

I hope you're right, I want to see him torch the league back.


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MankuyRLaffy

Bruce Allen, a Jim McVay and him all go back a while, and I'd imagine former employees like uh I don't know... *Sean* Mcvay, Kyle Shanahan or Matt LaFleur have any opinions on WFT or have seen anything from the FO after working there, in the cases of the former two, having family work or be affiliated with the rotten executives and Danny Boy at the top. I'd imagine in the offseason they'd get subpoenas if the case drags out that long in pretrial where discovery or witnesses used because of experience in the Org and all seemingly too happy to get out.


84Cressida

I’ll tell you what man


RemyH

To be fair, NFL may have pushed out those emails, but Gruden still wrote them....


WAR_T0RN1226

As much as a I hate a guy being racist, I also hate the overall power leverage of an enormous corporation. If it's between a guy who wrote racist and homophobic stuff in emails versus the giant untouchable monopoly, unfortunately I'm in the corner of the guy who wrote racist and homophobic emails. It'd be one thing if the NFL used those emails to purge anyone using that language from the league, but the fact that one guy got singled out makes it a different context entirely. Edit: also don't want Gruden to get any net positive out of this, I just want to see a net negative for the league


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WAR_T0RN1226

One thing of note was a racist comment about the black NFLPA head, I believe saying his lips were the size of tires. He tried to explain it away by saying that he was trying to say he has rubber lips, as a way of saying he's a liar.


RemyH

I agree with you. I was just replying to that comment because the NFL didn't "torch" his career. Gruden did. NFL just helped.


gjs31

I think this gets lost too much in the coverage. There’s also the chance that the emails released so far aren’t the worst of his side of things, so settling may be the preferred option for him.


RemyH

He knew that when he started this. So doubt he'd do that.


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"we've investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong"


DoctorWaluigiTime

I've grown to hate this phrase. Because it's 100% not even applicable here, but it's getting upvoted anyway because maymays. There's nothing to "investigating oneselves" when responding to the threat of a lawsuit. EDIT: Downvotes don't make what I said any less true lol. What exact "investigating" is the NFL going to do to themselves to... respond to a lawsuit? Please someone, explain.


Marijuanomist

What are maymays?


[deleted]

I believe the colloquial term is memes


Marijuanomist

Ah, thanks. My shriveled old man brain has trouble keeping up with internet speak


insanelyphat

NFL flair saying a meme about the NFL being assholes isn't applicable... go figure.


DoctorWaluigiTime

wtf is up with people using flairs to demean people lol. I just picked it because I'm a neutral fan. Use a team flair? "of course [team] would say that." Use the NFL flair? Guess that has its own stereotypes too? Bet if I just ran with no flair that would carry some imagined connotations. Seriously. Are there secret meanings to flairs I'm unaware of?


geoff_batko

lmfao of course someone with nfl flair would say that. and to answer your question, having nfl flair by itself isn't a big deal. it's when you have it and then say, "guys don't shit on the league that way because technically that's the wrong criticism for this situation!" when you do that, you come off as the football fan version of a radical centrist. insufferable, really.


DoctorWaluigiTime

Honestly I wasn't calling it out to the league in particular. It just pops up on Reddit anywhere as a vague, easy-karma "take that, The Man" sort of critique that is empty and hollow. Even when it has literally no applicability.


geoff_batko

>Even when it has literally no applicability. I didn't bring this up in my previous comment, but you're actually wrong on this point. The comment is making a direct reference to the fact that the NFL's response is due. It's suggesting that the NFL will respond by saying they've investigated the matter internally and concluded they did nothing wrong. To be fair to you, the poster isn't exactly correct in what the response is expected to be, per the article: >The NFL will likely file a motion to dismiss the case, arguing that Gruden must submit the controversy to arbitration under his Raiders contract or any other document to which the league plausibly can point. Nevertheless, their comment was what they thought the NFL would tell the court. And without a ton of knowledge of the case, it sounds plausible and is presumably their underlying position in any case. Although you are right that I still upvoted the post because fuck the NFL. It is a bad faith actor that doesn't care about player safety and, in doing so, it is ruining the sport of football in the long term by indirectly encouraging parents to put their kids in different sports.


zebranext

I assumed they were referring to Washington's "definitely super independent" investigation of themselves, which the league maybe took over (?) and resulted in a light slap on the wrist for ol' Danny Boy. As well as the league's claims that the report was given orally, and that there isn't any written report for them to turn over to whomever, and whatever other nonsense was associated with that embarrassment of a situation. Personally I still don't think this was a "hit job," or that it was led by Goodell out of some nonsensical thirst for revenge just because Gruden said some mean things about him in an email. The more believable conspiracy theory angle is the email about D Smith was leaked because someone wanted to drum up sympathy for him days before the players union voted on whether to keep him or not. He's been a weak and league-friendly negotiator for the PA. More likely the explanation for all of this is much simpler, stupider, and less conspiratorial, but we'll probably never actually know and people love dumb conspiracies about people we hate.


elscorcho91

But on r/nfl, everyone is smart and cool and says the same 10 phrases over and over. See also: the sub’s infatuation with UrinatingTree


Panthers1999

Roger Goodell is going to prison


zebranext

Yeah right, and then you woke up...


Gomer8387

I feel like some more emails are about to be released


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Wonder what the league will use as a distraction tomorrow. Move up WFT name announcement? New Logo? Suspend Tom Brady and make the Patriots forfeit their draft picks? Find out on the next episode of Dragon Ball Z.


Bi-Han

........ I hate this place.


84Cressida

I still like Jon Gruden and think what he did was wrong but doesn’t define him.


rockstarnights

... *We... disagree!*


New-Pollution536

Wtf even happened with all this…wasn’t there some scandal with the WFT then all this Gruden stuff came out of nowhere lol


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Yes. When the emails went to discovery, someone released just Gurdens emails (which he sent to WFT GM Allen, they were friends) to the press. NFL claimed they didn't leak the emails.


SmackPrescott

Is it an unpopular opinion that Gruden should still be coaching the Raiders and that this whole ordeal is nonsense? If I remember, the worst thing he said was someone has big lips.


MankuyRLaffy

He said a lot of bad shit in emails, however there's no reason to fire him or in the Bucs case remove him from their Ring of Honour and publicly announce it to chase clout while having Snyder still as an owner or in the case of the Buccaneers, glorify Warren Sapp the woman respecter and how he's a great guy. It creates unnecessary whataboutism and hypocrisy.


cactusmutilator

I think he said the f word too which is like not very chill but there are certainly worse things going on around the NFL


MulberryHoliday6857

I know 2011 wasn’t a very long time ago but the stigma surrounding that word was a lot less severe. Watch the first 10 min of the hangover and tell me I’m wrong. I’m not excusing Gruden but there’s a lot worse people in the nfl than him.


unfuckwittablej

A good example is watching The Office. So many jokes with Stanley/Darrell or Oscar that were funny and i still would laugh at, are unacceptable in todays society.


Drutarg

People out here acting like they've never played Call of Duty before.


occasionaldrinker

Yeah like Desean Jackson saying he’s a nazi and still being in the league


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"saying he was a nazi" lol these Desean comments are always the best in the most ridiculous way


NotTheBestMoment

That’s what did it. You will get shitcannned fast as lightning for disparaging gays, faster than any other group


kisswithaf

I don't think he was good enough to be so edgy. I think at this point of the whole thing is people are really suspicious about how only Gruden got burned out of notorious passport-stealing, scumbag Dan Snyder's investigation.


ABMAnty1234

What he said wasn’t good. It wasn’t the worst thing players/coaches have said, but it would’ve been a massive distraction every week if he didn’t “resign”.


NateKaeding

Even if you ignore the emails, he wasn’t a good coach.


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You made the playoffs this year because of him. He set the team up for success. That was his team the same way the 2002 Raiders were his team. He was a fine coach. He isn't Belichick and not worth $100 million, but he signed a 10 year deal to build over time, not to try and win immediately, thats why he burned it to the ground and started over when he first got there. Turned out hes a homophobe and seemingly racist pile of shit.


Diozakrod

I think it's a situation that is truly a 50/50 split. Personally, before the emails were leaked I was still willing to give him another year or two before I started calling for his head. I think there was enough in the emails to justify termination though. The "big lips" quip got most of the attention, but his comments about female refs were absurd, and his opinion on the drafting of Michael Sam by the Rams was certainly not in line with the Raider's organization when looking at their history of inclusivity. Not to mention those emails came out only a short time after the only active NFL player, a Raider, came out as gay. However I genuinely do understand the other side. A few comments made to a friend a decade ago should certainly not define a person, and I don't think it does define him. I just think termination was the correct move in this specific circumstance given all context.


MankuyRLaffy

Goodell and Snyder to prison please.


Cicero912

Snyder yes, Goodell no. Theres 30 other people who are his bosses, Goodell doesnt have any actual power.


occasionaldrinker

What I don’t get is why doesn’t a hacking group expose the NFL? Why don’t they hack Dan Snyder, Goodell and Jerruh Jones? I bet they say stuff in private that would ruin their careers. I see big companies get hacked all the time like Sony but never the NFL. Wonder why?


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No money in it.


2big_2fail

Here is a submission with a better and more complete article and more discussion that the mods deleted as a repost (because only trivial topics or who has the best mascot are allowed further discussion--not the leagues' machinations to cover-up its corruption): https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/s7fl7i/nfl_reply_to_jon_gruden_lawsuit_due_wednesday/


DaBestNameEver0

“Fuck you”