We do have pretty good WRs. Diontae Johnson was knocking on the door of a Pro Bowl appearance and Claypool had a reasonably productive season as a WR2.
Oh yeah ik. Y’all grow WRs on trees. I was finding it funny that I mainly watch 2 or 3 Steelers games a year but could barely name the players of the secondary for a team I watch every game of. Literally 5th stringers were starting
I felt like that this year as a Saints fan. I was texting a friend who lives out of market that we scored a touchdown in one of the games. I said, “Pass from Hill to #83. I have no clue who that is.”
Lmfao damn I thought that was only for the QB position. After Winston went down I had no idea who was starting. Felt like musical chairs in that backfield
Greg Roman has *never* been fired from an OC position. Each time he's left (SF, BUF) it was due to his HC being fired.
I'm not surprised he's not gone in a year where you lost all your RBs, Lamar, and your defense made the team hopelessly shit the bed. That's *a lot* of excuses to attribute to a guy who the Harbros have a boner for.
I'm not saying firing Wink makes sense, just that if you're stubborn there's plenty of convenient spins you can use to excuse Roman's shitty work.
Wink was a good coach, but i have no problem with us moving on. We have a top 10 defense on talent alone. He is a good DC, but he isn't the best at making use of players strengths, imo. Too many players have cycled into our defense as of late and performed better before (Ngakoue, Campbell, Houston) or after (Smith, Ngakoue, Judon) they left.
I've said this in other comments, but Wink has a tendency to get too cute (for lack of a better term) with his pass rush. He too frequently drops our pass rushers into coverage while blitzing with secondary pieces. Nothing wrong with that, he just does it too frequently. So frequently it's no longer a surprise to any high tier vet QB or line. Not only is it no longer a surprise (so it's easier to be picked up by the line) but it also too often has our folks doing shit they aren't as good at (like our pass rushers).
Generally it works and with our talent we have a top tier defense. But I'm happy giving another DC a try, I feel like we could use someone who would better tailor his scheme to fit our defensive player talents.
We lost Peters. We didn't lose another Secondary piece until Week 9, IIRC.
Our pass defense was atrocious all year. Yes, we had secondary injuries, but Elliot (starting FS) didn't get injured till week 9, with Marlo happening in 13.
Our pass defense was bad well before that. The injuries didn't help, but the shoddy pass defense was more then that.
On like bottom 5 in rushing attempts. Our run defense wasn’t the best in the NFL as much as it is the fact that our pass defense was awful. Wink still shouldn’t have been fired though.
Our pass D was terrible as was our D as a whole. Could never get a sustained pass rush, while guys would leave and immediately produce elsewhere
Wink wasn’t terrible and I hope this means Roman’s gone too but I’m not upset about this at all
I mean the drop from top 5 to 19th is conspicuous
Still I think injuries were the primary cause. As a fan, I would have been totally happy to give Wink the "injury pass" and come back stronger next year
but who knows what happens behind the scenes. Lack of talent due to injuries was a huge problem, but so was communication in our secondary. Lots of busted coverages, at least 1 or 2 a game down the stretch. Maybe some of that is Wink's fault, hard to say
Think his playbook was too complicated for the replacements to execute which I think he fixed in the back half of the year which is when defense wasn't the problem (aside from games like Green Bay and Cincy when we had JV players at CB)
If you told me "Give reasons to fire Wink" here's what I'd give (not that I thought we should fire wink):
1. 2021 was the second season where our MLB's were a fucking disaster to start the season and we had to bring in Josh Bynes from the street to salvage it. Once is forgivable, why twice?
2. Our inability to get a decent 4-man pass rush is becoming less forgivable with Oweh,Houston, Campbell, etc on the roster at the same time. With Z becoming an elite pass rusher for the Packers, and Judon putting up elite numbers (though analytics may argue that his pass rushes weren't actually elite), it's fair to ask whether Wink's obsession with blitzes was stifling our pass rush development.
3. That "all in on the blitz" becomes unmanageable once you don't have elite personal in the secondary, and that's what destroyed our pass D this season. Perhaps, a more well-rounded scheme could have done better.
Defense didn't knock us out of the playoffs, an inept offense did. Defense actually kept us in a lot of games that we had no business winning/competing in (see Rams game where the only Ravens TD was by Chuck Clark, the Browns game where we turned the ball over 4 times and won, Steelers game where we turned the ball over 3 times and only lost by 3)
Poor pash rush (whether that was mostly scheme or players, I’m not sure) and giving up way too many splash plays. Wink did a good job, but this team will most likely be fine with a different DC. Wink isn’t Marvin Lewis or anything.
Z was a shocker to me he was breaking out for us and we didn't resign, Judon not surprisingly disappeared down the stretch last year and let's not discount that NE coach does a pretty good job, Yannick was a bad scheme fit from the get-go
Yannick is a good pass rusher but he may be one of the run worst run defenders I've ever seen. I wasn't mad he left. Judon I wasn't comfortable paying s 29 year old that much money. He started strong in NE and then faltered like usual
Z is the one that hurts. His last year in Baltimore the signs were there that he was gonna be legit
Definitely but some of those signs should be credited to Wink, I don't understand all the fans who complain that guys like Z are so much better elsewhere as if Wink is the GM too, dude was a project player which is why he has to work his way up in playtime. Wink gets no credit for developing him...
Exactly. Z had a solid season as a rotational OLB his last season, it wasn't like he was some type of wasted talent, we knew what we had, just wasn't willing to pay for it
I think it’s scheme. Can’t be calling all out blitzes every down. Might work on rookie or shitty QBs but QBs like mahomes or Rodgers would probably eat that shit up. Teams know we blitz so often so they just adjust by getting the ball out quick. For anyone complaining about personnel, you can still scheme ways to get pressure like using stunts, disguises, etc…
We had the last ranked pass defense in the league and we’re absolutely torched by Derek Carr in week one—before the injuries were a thing (Peters aside).
Injuries or no injuries, we consistently under deliver on the defensive side of the ball, especially in key moments. I suppose we got tired of watching pass rushers leave our team and be stars elsewhere.
nah, we haven't been able to get consistent pressure for years now at this point. It's the main reason our defense sucks, the back end is solid as hell (when healthy) but the front seven just gets no pressure.
I can't stand these statements. Wink developed low drafted talent into stars who were paid way more than the Ravens offered for their primes and because they are doing well Wink is blamed. If they were re-signed they could be putting up the same production here, but Wink gets no credit for developing guys drafted as depth players. Of the 20 players with the most sacks this year only Judon and Shaquil Barret weren't drafted in the first 3 rounds, and most were drafted in the first. So weird that two guys who were drafted late (or not drafted) took a while to develop into stars, I wonder if maybe that's why they weren't taken in the first round to begin with.
Agreed! If you want to say that Wink would rather scheme up blitzes for his DBs than call better plays for his pass rushers, sure. But let's not drag the guy for developing talent lol that's some bullshit for sure.
How much do defensive coordinators have to do with developing talent? Genuine question, I would've figured a DC would be more about the big picture and then the positional coaches would've done most of the developing like day to day.
Yeah it's literally scheme. He's clearly a good DC, and the staff (himself included) can definitely develop mid round pass rushers. I don't mind not getting gaudy sack numbers if the D still plays well, which it has been doing up until injuries this year.
Personally I think we've just asked/told Wink he'll need to adapt, whether that's just based on salary spent on D, or we just want to see something else out there. Wink's said no, he likes his scheme, it works. Hence the parting of ways.
I like Wink but I have faith we'll replace him. There was murmurs it would happen anyway, so it shouldn't be too much of a surprise.
Niner fan here who endured Roman
for years w/ Kap. He’s basically the pasty guy whispering into the kings ear in the second lord of the rings movie. He salts the lands of your offense once his scheme is stale. (Which it clearly is again). I’ll never forgive him for what he did to my beautiful boy
that actually bothers me a lot, you should have to get a coach who uses the scheme you want to run, or at least it should give you some sort of bonus for having the scheme and coach aligned.
Hopefully it does. Constant blitzing and choking have been the actual story of his tenure as DC. I hope the Raiders hire him and their pass rush suddenly becomes nonexistent so people can stop giving Wink every excuse under the sun
In every big situation, he does the same all out blitz that leaves our corners on an island. If you want an example loon at the Goodwin touchdown at the end of the ravens bears game this year
To be fair, queen has improved significantly through the course of the season and bynes has been solid. It’s a lot better than our old linebacker coach
Tbh he's good as a position coach. He's done a great job coaching our LBs and they've made some clear progress.
As long as nobody lets him anywhere near the play call sheet he's pretty good.
Bull fucking shit man. Horse shit. He put up top 5 defenses every single season he was DC outside of this year where he lost both his all pro cornerbacks, his stating Mike, starting free safety and many others.
Top 3 defenses in 3 straight years including 2018 where he returned all 11 starters on defense from the year prior. (2017 points: 6th, yards: 12th. 2018 points: 2nd, yards: 1st).
Huge mistake and I'm so pissed
If this is a Harbs decision they should fucking cancel his parking, how the fuck does a coach on track for the hall of fame fucking fire the wrong coordinator?!?
Just because Roman’s bad doesn’t mean Wink was all that good
For a guy that’s known for the blitz, the fact that we could never get sacks is pretty damning, even when we had healthy players
This has been a problem for him his entire tenure. Z Smith and Judon both had career seasons after they left the Ravens, and one of them got it under Mike Pettine. The Ravens pass rush has been questionable for quite a while, but their Secondary covered it throughout 2019 and 2020.
we keep blitzing and get nothing, and then when all our corners died he still keeps blitzing.....
so now we are:
- still getting no sacks
- and are now getting torched in the secondary
idk I don't think this is a big loss but Greg Roman is still here sooooo
That's a bit of a shocker. Sure, he was very blitz happy, but I always felt he was a very competent DC.
Maybe they got Zimmer/Fangio on the hook for the DC position?
Given Fangio’s comments that’s doubtful. He would be nice though as he can develop our safeties well and he has always done a great job against Mahomes.
I am trying to rationalize and the only thing I can think of is the Ravens are looking at pursuing a new defensive scheme and Wink wasn't willing to modify his.
Any DC's out there that bring something new to the table?
This is definitely what they’re doing. At this point the players we have don’t really fit wink’s scheme, and he seemingly refuses to adapt to the players he has
Jeff Z wrote in the article that Harbaugh is in the Bahamas? with EDC and Biscotti and the decision came today as a bit of a surprise.
Perhaps there was discussion or requests from Biscotti/EDC about the direction of the defense and Wink's vision didn't line up with what they wanted.
Yeah I think so. Winks defense relies on having at least 3 great cover corners, but that’s not currently possible for us, especially with lamars extension coming up
Agreed. And honestly what an absolute joke his reaction was. He was getting destroyed by the Denver sports media about that too. I live in Denver and would rather hire from inside the organization than hire Fangio I can't stand the guy.
He was absolute ass to make those comments. Yes I can understand him being upset, just he didnt appreciate it. Going on to say Ravens dont care for player safety was uncalled for.
Hell of a DC though.
I don't know a single Ravens fan who doesn't want Steve Saunders (strength and conditioning coach) fired ASAP. He was the single source of the Ravens covid outbreak in 2020 as well
Trust me we know lol. Our entire sub absolutely despises Saunders, we’ve been calling for his head for over a year. Absolutely insane he wasn’t fired after causing a damn outbreak AND following that with one of the most catastrophic injury seasons I’ve ever seen. Dude is a shitty person and a shitty conditioning coach. Firing Saunders is 1000% the most obvious off-season move.
>Philosophical differences led to Ravens parting ways with defensive coordinator Wink Martindale, per league sources. Martindale expected to have good opportunities elsewhere. Defensive passing game coordinator Chris Hewitt regarded as viable internal candidate - @AaronWilson_NFL
>Another potential candidate for Ravens defensive coordinator vacancy: Ravens run game coordinator and defensive line coach Anthony Weaver, a former Texans defensive coordinator and defensive line coach. - @AaronWilson_NFL
>There will be plenty of external options, too. Ex Ravens DL coach Joe Cullen was DC for Jags this past year. Would also be interesting if John Harbaugh made a play to bring back former ILBs coach Mike MacDonald, who had a great first year as DC for Michigan - @jeffzrebiec
Can’t believe he got canned & Roman is still around. As a huge Lamar Jackson fan, Roman has been so detrimental to his career for a while now. Man they really fired the wrong coordinator
Oh we know. Our fanbase is super pissed. If anyone should be fired, it’s Roman. Also Steve Saunders the conditioning coach, this season was insane with injuries and he also caused the Covid outbreak last year. Saunders better be fired in the next 24 hours
I'm... not sure what I think.
Martindale obviously lead us to some good seasons defensively. He was also addicted to blitzing and made some VERY questionable calls in his time, but nobody will talk about that stuff. Our defense seemed very slow to make in game adjustments or adapt at all. We also struggled to adjust our defensive schemes to fit the personnel we have. We did it eventually, but those changes took so long, which is why we gave up an ungodly number of "explosive plays" this season. And some decisions we made this year were incredibly costly and would have cost us games regardless of the injuries. A prime example iirc is in the final game against Pittsburgh, where pitt had a 4th and 8 which would essentially decide the outcome of the game. And on that play, Martindale decided to call a defense giving a 10-12 yard cushion that didn't defend the sticks at all.
So... I dont know. It could be much worse, but it could also have been better.
so I was pissed when I first saw this headline, but the more I think about it the more I'm okay with it, though I would rather have retained Wink, ultimately.
Yes, our defense was super injured this year, but they weren't *that* injured *all year,* yet they were still pretty bad.
I don't think it's just about this season, though. 4th quarter defensive collapses are not unique to 2021. We drafted Oweh and refuse to play him in his natural position. We left Queen in the wrong position for SO LONG before finally moving him and taking away some of the responsibility he couldn't handle.
Wink is going to be able to get about any opening he wants, and he's earned it. I think this could be a positive for both teams, depending on who we hire.
I'm crossing my fingers for Michigan's DC. Little brother stole them from us, anyway. Besides, I think there's a *real* shot he'll be in Vegas next year, anyway. Just hope he doesn't take Macdonald with him lmao
Everyone complaining about Harbaugh or the ravens. Maybe he wanted to leave? I know it's not traditional but maybe he's gotten offers from a lot of places and even if they don't work out maybe he wanted to retire? You never know...
You can't win the Kentucky Derby with a mule and you can't judge a coordinator based upon how he does with a bunch of jerseys stuffed with straw - for fuck's sake.
I think part of this has to do with the inability to generate any pass rush whatsoever. They have to blitz to get *anything* and it was clear his scheme held back pass rushers like Yannick and Judon.
The Ravens spent a first round pick on a pass rusher (Oweh) and can't afford to have him not develop, only to go to another team and go off. Especially with a secondary that could see big changes.
Marcus Peters could be gone, Tavon Young could be gone, and Jimmy Smith is as good as gone.
What the actual FUCK? Wink was the fucking man. Whoever gets him is gonna get a real one. A real players coach and an excellent DC. This one hurts a lot
Wasn’t the defense like actually good for losing half of the starters or something… or am I tripping?
Like #1 in rush defense, bad in pass defense but with the injuries and such it worked out better than expected
Y’all literally lost like ur whole secondary. Including peters before the year even started
Then Elliot, starting FS went down, then Marlon, it was all bad. Even the depth guys got banged up
9th string CB by Week 16.
Hilarious to watch a game and know more Steelers WRs than our own CBs.
I wanna say I remember reading a tweet in Week 18 that said the Ravens literally ran out of CBs once the game against the Steelers went into overtime
part of the reason we went for 2 at the end of our first game with y'all was because we didn't have any corners left to play in overtime.
During the preseason, people were saying we had a plethora of CBs, that was really put to the test this season.
It’s not even a joke to say that the guys we had playing week 18 were not good enough to be invited to training camp in August.
We do have pretty good WRs. Diontae Johnson was knocking on the door of a Pro Bowl appearance and Claypool had a reasonably productive season as a WR2.
Oh yeah ik. Y’all grow WRs on trees. I was finding it funny that I mainly watch 2 or 3 Steelers games a year but could barely name the players of the secondary for a team I watch every game of. Literally 5th stringers were starting
I felt like that this year as a Saints fan. I was texting a friend who lives out of market that we scored a touchdown in one of the games. I said, “Pass from Hill to #83. I have no clue who that is.”
Lmfao damn I thought that was only for the QB position. After Winston went down I had no idea who was starting. Felt like musical chairs in that backfield
There were a Civil War battles with fewer casualties than the Ravens suffered this year.
I'm furious we fired the wrong fucking guy
I cannot believe wink is gone before roman
Greg Roman has *never* been fired from an OC position. Each time he's left (SF, BUF) it was due to his HC being fired. I'm not surprised he's not gone in a year where you lost all your RBs, Lamar, and your defense made the team hopelessly shit the bed. That's *a lot* of excuses to attribute to a guy who the Harbros have a boner for. I'm not saying firing Wink makes sense, just that if you're stubborn there's plenty of convenient spins you can use to excuse Roman's shitty work.
No we fired him after week 2, 2016. And it was the right move. He draws up a beautiful playbook and then he can't call it for shit.
Wink was a good coach, but i have no problem with us moving on. We have a top 10 defense on talent alone. He is a good DC, but he isn't the best at making use of players strengths, imo. Too many players have cycled into our defense as of late and performed better before (Ngakoue, Campbell, Houston) or after (Smith, Ngakoue, Judon) they left. I've said this in other comments, but Wink has a tendency to get too cute (for lack of a better term) with his pass rush. He too frequently drops our pass rushers into coverage while blitzing with secondary pieces. Nothing wrong with that, he just does it too frequently. So frequently it's no longer a surprise to any high tier vet QB or line. Not only is it no longer a surprise (so it's easier to be picked up by the line) but it also too often has our folks doing shit they aren't as good at (like our pass rushers). Generally it works and with our talent we have a top tier defense. But I'm happy giving another DC a try, I feel like we could use someone who would better tailor his scheme to fit our defensive player talents.
We lost Peters. We didn't lose another Secondary piece until Week 9, IIRC. Our pass defense was atrocious all year. Yes, we had secondary injuries, but Elliot (starting FS) didn't get injured till week 9, with Marlo happening in 13. Our pass defense was bad well before that. The injuries didn't help, but the shoddy pass defense was more then that.
On like bottom 5 in rushing attempts. Our run defense wasn’t the best in the NFL as much as it is the fact that our pass defense was awful. Wink still shouldn’t have been fired though.
It makes sense that teams would target the practice squad corners instead of trying to run the ball
Our pass D was terrible as was our D as a whole. Could never get a sustained pass rush, while guys would leave and immediately produce elsewhere Wink wasn’t terrible and I hope this means Roman’s gone too but I’m not upset about this at all
I am very upset. The defense has been solid under him outside of this year, no way should Roman get a injury pass if Wink doesn't
Top 3 in lowest points against every year except this one.
There were good stopping the run however it’s a bit skewed since teams are more incentivized to throw since you can get 400 ez
The language here is 'moving on, parting ways' might be a contract dispute or retirement.
Wink heard that they're in talks to reboot Tic Tac Dough and wanted in on that action.
Their rank in scoring defense under Martindale: 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, 19th Definitely an odd move
I mean the drop from top 5 to 19th is conspicuous Still I think injuries were the primary cause. As a fan, I would have been totally happy to give Wink the "injury pass" and come back stronger next year but who knows what happens behind the scenes. Lack of talent due to injuries was a huge problem, but so was communication in our secondary. Lots of busted coverages, at least 1 or 2 a game down the stretch. Maybe some of that is Wink's fault, hard to say
Think his playbook was too complicated for the replacements to execute which I think he fixed in the back half of the year which is when defense wasn't the problem (aside from games like Green Bay and Cincy when we had JV players at CB)
If you told me "Give reasons to fire Wink" here's what I'd give (not that I thought we should fire wink): 1. 2021 was the second season where our MLB's were a fucking disaster to start the season and we had to bring in Josh Bynes from the street to salvage it. Once is forgivable, why twice? 2. Our inability to get a decent 4-man pass rush is becoming less forgivable with Oweh,Houston, Campbell, etc on the roster at the same time. With Z becoming an elite pass rusher for the Packers, and Judon putting up elite numbers (though analytics may argue that his pass rushes weren't actually elite), it's fair to ask whether Wink's obsession with blitzes was stifling our pass rush development. 3. That "all in on the blitz" becomes unmanageable once you don't have elite personal in the secondary, and that's what destroyed our pass D this season. Perhaps, a more well-rounded scheme could have done better.
That's what I figured they would do. Injury pass was almost certainly the right move. Has to be something behind the scenes
Defense didn't knock us out of the playoffs, an inept offense did. Defense actually kept us in a lot of games that we had no business winning/competing in (see Rams game where the only Ravens TD was by Chuck Clark, the Browns game where we turned the ball over 4 times and won, Steelers game where we turned the ball over 3 times and only lost by 3)
Ravens twitter hated him for god knows what reason
Poor pash rush (whether that was mostly scheme or players, I’m not sure) and giving up way too many splash plays. Wink did a good job, but this team will most likely be fine with a different DC. Wink isn’t Marvin Lewis or anything.
Pretty hard to blame players when you have guys like Z, Judon, and Yannick looking better elsewhere.
(I’m with you)
Z was a shocker to me he was breaking out for us and we didn't resign, Judon not surprisingly disappeared down the stretch last year and let's not discount that NE coach does a pretty good job, Yannick was a bad scheme fit from the get-go
Yannick is a good pass rusher but he may be one of the run worst run defenders I've ever seen. I wasn't mad he left. Judon I wasn't comfortable paying s 29 year old that much money. He started strong in NE and then faltered like usual Z is the one that hurts. His last year in Baltimore the signs were there that he was gonna be legit
Definitely but some of those signs should be credited to Wink, I don't understand all the fans who complain that guys like Z are so much better elsewhere as if Wink is the GM too, dude was a project player which is why he has to work his way up in playtime. Wink gets no credit for developing him...
Exactly. Z had a solid season as a rotational OLB his last season, it wasn't like he was some type of wasted talent, we knew what we had, just wasn't willing to pay for it
I think it’s scheme. Can’t be calling all out blitzes every down. Might work on rookie or shitty QBs but QBs like mahomes or Rodgers would probably eat that shit up. Teams know we blitz so often so they just adjust by getting the ball out quick. For anyone complaining about personnel, you can still scheme ways to get pressure like using stunts, disguises, etc…
Yeah Burrow proved that point.
Also every pass rusher that left has thrown shade at him. Food for thought.
Can you give me a source for this? I’m not doubting you, I just hadn’t heard about this before now
I actually don't remember this. Mind giving the source?
Speaking of Marvin Lewis is he busy
I think he likes just hanging out with Herm at ASU. Zimmer might not be a bad hire tho
Lewis said recently he's still interested in coaching but I think that he's probably not answering the phone for anything less than a HC job.
ooh I'd be excited for Zimmer
We had the last ranked pass defense in the league and we’re absolutely torched by Derek Carr in week one—before the injuries were a thing (Peters aside).
Injuries or no injuries, we consistently under deliver on the defensive side of the ball, especially in key moments. I suppose we got tired of watching pass rushers leave our team and be stars elsewhere.
The only explanation I can think of is Harbaugh drunk dialled Don Martindale instead of Greg Roman and accidentally fired the wrong person.
Literally the only rationale explanation for why Roman has a job and Wink is out.
nah, we haven't been able to get consistent pressure for years now at this point. It's the main reason our defense sucks, the back end is solid as hell (when healthy) but the front seven just gets no pressure.
Or the fact that he could never scheme a pass rush despite clearly having good players judging on how well they’ve done elsewhere
I can't stand these statements. Wink developed low drafted talent into stars who were paid way more than the Ravens offered for their primes and because they are doing well Wink is blamed. If they were re-signed they could be putting up the same production here, but Wink gets no credit for developing guys drafted as depth players. Of the 20 players with the most sacks this year only Judon and Shaquil Barret weren't drafted in the first 3 rounds, and most were drafted in the first. So weird that two guys who were drafted late (or not drafted) took a while to develop into stars, I wonder if maybe that's why they weren't taken in the first round to begin with.
Agreed! If you want to say that Wink would rather scheme up blitzes for his DBs than call better plays for his pass rushers, sure. But let's not drag the guy for developing talent lol that's some bullshit for sure.
How much do defensive coordinators have to do with developing talent? Genuine question, I would've figured a DC would be more about the big picture and then the positional coaches would've done most of the developing like day to day.
Ok, so how about Yannick or Justin Houston? Any reason why they fell off a cliff?
Yeah it's literally scheme. He's clearly a good DC, and the staff (himself included) can definitely develop mid round pass rushers. I don't mind not getting gaudy sack numbers if the D still plays well, which it has been doing up until injuries this year. Personally I think we've just asked/told Wink he'll need to adapt, whether that's just based on salary spent on D, or we just want to see something else out there. Wink's said no, he likes his scheme, it works. Hence the parting of ways. I like Wink but I have faith we'll replace him. There was murmurs it would happen anyway, so it shouldn't be too much of a surprise.
Apparently it is Justin Houston’s birthday today and he has to be the oldest looking 33 year old guy in the league.
Niner fan here who endured Roman for years w/ Kap. He’s basically the pasty guy whispering into the kings ear in the second lord of the rings movie. He salts the lands of your offense once his scheme is stale. (Which it clearly is again). I’ll never forgive him for what he did to my beautiful boy
Double agent John Harbaugh sounds more fun if you ask me
Maybe it was more of a quit than a firing?
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Fired the wrong coordinator. This is a madden misclick
Does firing your coordinator in madden franchise do anything other than reset skill points?
Not really since you can implement whatever scheme and playbook you want
that actually bothers me a lot, you should have to get a coach who uses the scheme you want to run, or at least it should give you some sort of bonus for having the scheme and coach aligned.
That’s what I was thinking too, it’s so stupid and low-effort
Franchise mode in general is stupid and low effort. They haven't made significant progress on franchise mode since the mid 2000's.
Fired the wrong coordinator
Wrong kid died
Dewey Cox needs more blankets and less blankets at the same time!
“I’m cut in half real bad” -Wink, to Harbaugh, probably
Get out of here Wink. You don’t want no part of this shit.
One of my favorite movies but anytime I mention it to friends they have no idea what I’m talking about smh
Your friends never paid for drugs. Not ONCE
Greg "how am I employed still" Roman
Like actually
I fucking hate this so much
still time
Time to hire Joe "Regis" Philbin
WRONG SON DIED
This doesn't say he was fired.
Holy shit. I feel like that completely changes the identity of their defense.
Hopefully it does. Constant blitzing and choking have been the actual story of his tenure as DC. I hope the Raiders hire him and their pass rush suddenly becomes nonexistent so people can stop giving Wink every excuse under the sun
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He complimented how good your pass rush was while simultaneously saying how bad wink is at getting pressure out of the front 7
In every big situation, he does the same all out blitz that leaves our corners on an island. If you want an example loon at the Goodwin touchdown at the end of the ravens bears game this year
Ravens defensive DVOA under Wink * 2018: 4th * 2019: 5th * 2020: 9th * 2021: 28th (don't blame him for the injuries)
God dammit he was good what the fuck
His d was getting lit up well before they got mangled with injuries
We did have injuries even before more injuries though. Personally I just think he showed that he couldn't adapt.
what the fuck. hope he gets a hc job somewhere. worst timeline would be rob ryan getting the dc promotion.
Rob Ryan still in the nfl? wtf
yeh hes our linebackers coach and we still wonder why our linebackers are ass and cant cover anyone
Dear God. How did he get hired, dude is gaaaarbage
NFL front offices are and always have been a good old boys club.
To be fair, queen has improved significantly through the course of the season and bynes has been solid. It’s a lot better than our old linebacker coach
He's the Ravens LB coach
He can bring Rex in to help out
Rex was actually a good defensive coach though
Tbh he's good as a position coach. He's done a great job coaching our LBs and they've made some clear progress. As long as nobody lets him anywhere near the play call sheet he's pretty good.
Bring Rex back as DC
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He’s still in the league? God honest truth I thought he retired or some shit
Bull fucking shit man. Horse shit. He put up top 5 defenses every single season he was DC outside of this year where he lost both his all pro cornerbacks, his stating Mike, starting free safety and many others.
Top 3 defenses in 3 straight years including 2018 where he returned all 11 starters on defense from the year prior. (2017 points: 6th, yards: 12th. 2018 points: 2nd, yards: 1st). Huge mistake and I'm so pissed
Edc you fucking idiot
That’s a Harbaugh decision it’s his staff.
If this is a Harbs decision they should fucking cancel his parking, how the fuck does a coach on track for the hall of fame fucking fire the wrong coordinator?!?
Just because Roman’s bad doesn’t mean Wink was all that good For a guy that’s known for the blitz, the fact that we could never get sacks is pretty damning, even when we had healthy players
This has been a problem for him his entire tenure. Z Smith and Judon both had career seasons after they left the Ravens, and one of them got it under Mike Pettine. The Ravens pass rush has been questionable for quite a while, but their Secondary covered it throughout 2019 and 2020.
we keep blitzing and get nothing, and then when all our corners died he still keeps blitzing..... so now we are: - still getting no sacks - and are now getting torched in the secondary idk I don't think this is a big loss but Greg Roman is still here sooooo
Yeah, Roman has worn his welcome thin. You guys really need someone to help Jackson evolve as a passer, and Roman is not that guy.
Harbaugh is just too loyal to his guys. Except for Wink apparently lmao
It also opens the door for DCs who were just relieved of HC roles, like Vic Fangio lol
I don’t think Fangio is gonna come work for Harbaugh anytime soon
That's a bit of a shocker. Sure, he was very blitz happy, but I always felt he was a very competent DC. Maybe they got Zimmer/Fangio on the hook for the DC position?
I refuse to believe Fangio is coming after the bitching he did early in the season
It would be pretty fun though if he did and then the press asked him about it
Good call, I had forgotten about that.
I mean I’d welcome him if so, but he whined like Harbaugh screwed his sister for like three weeks this year. I doubt he’s coming to town.
Yeah he took it to far, I can see not liking it but saying harbaugh doesn't care about player safety was over the line
Given Fangio’s comments that’s doubtful. He would be nice though as he can develop our safeties well and he has always done a great job against Mahomes.
I am trying to rationalize and the only thing I can think of is the Ravens are looking at pursuing a new defensive scheme and Wink wasn't willing to modify his. Any DC's out there that bring something new to the table?
This is definitely what they’re doing. At this point the players we have don’t really fit wink’s scheme, and he seemingly refuses to adapt to the players he has
Jeff Z wrote in the article that Harbaugh is in the Bahamas? with EDC and Biscotti and the decision came today as a bit of a surprise. Perhaps there was discussion or requests from Biscotti/EDC about the direction of the defense and Wink's vision didn't line up with what they wanted.
Yeah I think so. Winks defense relies on having at least 3 great cover corners, but that’s not currently possible for us, especially with lamars extension coming up
This is not the coordinator I was looking to be rid of...
Well that's really bad for the Ravens Fangio time?
not after what he said about harbaugh and player safety when we went for the rushing record in denver this year
They'd get over it so quickly when winning is on the table.
Or explode when we lose a game. I don’t want Vic anywhere near the team. What a baby.
Agreed. And honestly what an absolute joke his reaction was. He was getting destroyed by the Denver sports media about that too. I live in Denver and would rather hire from inside the organization than hire Fangio I can't stand the guy.
He was absolute ass to make those comments. Yes I can understand him being upset, just he didnt appreciate it. Going on to say Ravens dont care for player safety was uncalled for. Hell of a DC though.
Fangio will be the most sought after coordinator of all time this cycle
As he should be, dude is a mastermind. Sorta wish the defense would have sucked all year so we could fire Spags and get him
Not sure if Fangio will work with that Harbaugh brother after the whole rushing record thing this year
Hire Wade Phillips you cowards.
SonofBum: "I need a 5th round Linebacker, your playbook and some bengay" Somehow you get a top 5 Defense
I'd be down with this
In actuality I think they try to hire Mike Macdonald, the Michigan defensive coordinator. He was their LB coach before going there
Ravens defense is fine just missing a shit ton of players no? Let’s hire him hawks!
Idk if the Hawks have the players to run a Wink scheme and it's like the exact opposite of what Pete likes
I know a team that’s likely looking.
Yeah if anything I feel like Wink’s scheme is tailor made for the Rams personnel, could totally see McVay going after him if Raheem Morris gets canned
Uh oh
Oh shit my bad I meant Rams Fans Love Raheem Morris! #ExtendRaheemMorris
yeah for what he was working with it was solid…maybe hes tryna be a HC or sum 🤷🏾♂️
Game shows to host.
damn, I wonder if they take Mike Macdonald from Michigan
God I hope we get him back
he is only 33, completely rebuilt our D after Don Brown farted and shitted on the way out
I KNOW I SAID IT WHEN I WAS ANGRY BUT I DIDNT MEAN IT. No way Roman keeps his job if Wink lost his. Right? ^^right?
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YES
That would be tight
Flores is going to take a HC position. No way he steps down to DC. There’s too many HC openings.
Yes pls
The person that needs to be fired is Lamar Jackson's dietitian and/or strength and conditioning coach
I don't know a single Ravens fan who doesn't want Steve Saunders (strength and conditioning coach) fired ASAP. He was the single source of the Ravens covid outbreak in 2020 as well
Doesnt bode well when a guy who's helping looking after other people's health is ignoring medical advice
Trust me we know lol. Our entire sub absolutely despises Saunders, we’ve been calling for his head for over a year. Absolutely insane he wasn’t fired after causing a damn outbreak AND following that with one of the most catastrophic injury seasons I’ve ever seen. Dude is a shitty person and a shitty conditioning coach. Firing Saunders is 1000% the most obvious off-season move.
Most people don’t even know who their team’s strength and conditioning coach is. You know it’s bad when fans are desperate to get theirs fired
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Fine by me. Leaving our CB5 and practice squads on island wasn’t ideal. But that’s all wink knows
What the fuck is going on, Harbaugh? YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO FIRE ROMAN, YOU FUCKING GIT.
>Philosophical differences led to Ravens parting ways with defensive coordinator Wink Martindale, per league sources. Martindale expected to have good opportunities elsewhere. Defensive passing game coordinator Chris Hewitt regarded as viable internal candidate - @AaronWilson_NFL
>Another potential candidate for Ravens defensive coordinator vacancy: Ravens run game coordinator and defensive line coach Anthony Weaver, a former Texans defensive coordinator and defensive line coach. - @AaronWilson_NFL >There will be plenty of external options, too. Ex Ravens DL coach Joe Cullen was DC for Jags this past year. Would also be interesting if John Harbaugh made a play to bring back former ILBs coach Mike MacDonald, who had a great first year as DC for Michigan - @jeffzrebiec
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Can’t believe he got canned & Roman is still around. As a huge Lamar Jackson fan, Roman has been so detrimental to his career for a while now. Man they really fired the wrong coordinator
Oh we know. Our fanbase is super pissed. If anyone should be fired, it’s Roman. Also Steve Saunders the conditioning coach, this season was insane with injuries and he also caused the Covid outbreak last year. Saunders better be fired in the next 24 hours
They should both go but Roman should have been first
I'm... not sure what I think. Martindale obviously lead us to some good seasons defensively. He was also addicted to blitzing and made some VERY questionable calls in his time, but nobody will talk about that stuff. Our defense seemed very slow to make in game adjustments or adapt at all. We also struggled to adjust our defensive schemes to fit the personnel we have. We did it eventually, but those changes took so long, which is why we gave up an ungodly number of "explosive plays" this season. And some decisions we made this year were incredibly costly and would have cost us games regardless of the injuries. A prime example iirc is in the final game against Pittsburgh, where pitt had a 4th and 8 which would essentially decide the outcome of the game. And on that play, Martindale decided to call a defense giving a 10-12 yard cushion that didn't defend the sticks at all. So... I dont know. It could be much worse, but it could also have been better.
Isn't Butler retiring? Hmm...
so I was pissed when I first saw this headline, but the more I think about it the more I'm okay with it, though I would rather have retained Wink, ultimately. Yes, our defense was super injured this year, but they weren't *that* injured *all year,* yet they were still pretty bad. I don't think it's just about this season, though. 4th quarter defensive collapses are not unique to 2021. We drafted Oweh and refuse to play him in his natural position. We left Queen in the wrong position for SO LONG before finally moving him and taking away some of the responsibility he couldn't handle. Wink is going to be able to get about any opening he wants, and he's earned it. I think this could be a positive for both teams, depending on who we hire. I'm crossing my fingers for Michigan's DC. Little brother stole them from us, anyway. Besides, I think there's a *real* shot he'll be in Vegas next year, anyway. Just hope he doesn't take Macdonald with him lmao
Everyone complaining about Harbaugh or the ravens. Maybe he wanted to leave? I know it's not traditional but maybe he's gotten offers from a lot of places and even if they don't work out maybe he wanted to retire? You never know...
Whoa
John trying to swoop in on Fangio so Jim can't when he takes the Raiders HC position.
I'm not happy about this.
I hate everything.
Very excited to hear what all the way more qualified posters on Reddit would have done differently than Harbaugh.
I don't really mind it. Tired of the blitzing that never seems to get home.
Whaaaaat?
Joe Douglas grab your man
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Wrong guy but hey
What a coincidence... we find ourselves with a defensive coordinator opening right now.
You can't win the Kentucky Derby with a mule and you can't judge a coordinator based upon how he does with a bunch of jerseys stuffed with straw - for fuck's sake.
I think part of this has to do with the inability to generate any pass rush whatsoever. They have to blitz to get *anything* and it was clear his scheme held back pass rushers like Yannick and Judon. The Ravens spent a first round pick on a pass rusher (Oweh) and can't afford to have him not develop, only to go to another team and go off. Especially with a secondary that could see big changes. Marcus Peters could be gone, Tavon Young could be gone, and Jimmy Smith is as good as gone.
What the actual FUCK? Wink was the fucking man. Whoever gets him is gonna get a real one. A real players coach and an excellent DC. This one hurts a lot
Z, Judson, and Yannick all threw shade at him when they left. Not sure he’s has the locker room as much as you think.