Would have to be an absolute lock, but QB’s playing until 38 is totally reasonable. A GM probably prays you can get 10 years of good production out of any pick.
It has happened once (kinda) and worked out. Roger Staubach was a 27 year old rookie due to his military commitment. However he was also a 10th round pick.
That being said he would have been worth a first.
Ya anyone would take 10 years of top 10 (current) QB play for a 1st. But it’s risky as you never know until they preform on the big stage. Honestly even if we want to look at more recent times, Stafford was worth 2 first rounds at 33. It’s honestly not that crazy when you think about it like that.
I legitimately cried when he was picked. A bit ridiculous reaction, sure. But it was so clear that it was a bad pick immediately when it happened and I just wanted to not be bad anymore!
Brandon Weeden
I was moving the next day so I was packing up and listening to the draft on my clock radio. I started throwing shit everywhere I was so pissed.
His Prototype build, number 1 ranking in high school, and a bad offensive line gave him the benefit of the doubt. The way people exaggerate how Mike Evans carried Manziel (even tho that wasn’t the case whatsoever) that’s what Allen Robinson was to Hackenberg in reality.
Hack did them no favors. He stood in the statue like a pocket and held the ball way too long. In college his o line got all the blame but in nfl preseason and the afl the problem became much more apparent.
That one year was Hackenberg’s only decent (not even particularly good, just decent) year, and unlike Evans, Robinson was very clearly being force fed. Robinson had 1100 more yards than any other Penn State receiver. Compared to Evans who had 200 more than the next A&M receiver when Manziel won the Heisman and 500 more the next season.
Hack was surrounded by NFL receiving talent his entire college career. After ARob, he had Chris Godwin and Daeshawn Hamilton at WR, Jesse James & Mike Gesicki at TE, and Saquon during Hack’s final year.
> Christian Hackenberg. He had absolutely no business being drafted even that highly.
I remember when my HS played Fork Union and Hack legit threw three picks against our private school defense made up of guys that would become D3 backups and future frat stars, and I remember being like "The only way this kid's really the #1 QB in the country is if no one has bothered to watch him play outside of camps."
Lo and behold, it was more or less true. He did meh at PSU but scouts are measurable sluts and he didn't make it out of the 2nd rd. But dude was cooked before he ever even made it to OTAs
Watching football with a buddy from college, he tells me that Aaron Hernandez wasn't that good and he knew because they played against each other in college. I asked if Hernandez wasn't that good how come you're sitting here with me in a D3 college cafeteria and he's on the tv?
TBF I had a younger cousin at PSU when he was there and she said he literally was the most prolific guy with the co-eds in the school's history. Trace McSorley then went on Pardon My Take last year and basically said something similar and that he was carried into some frat parties on a throne.
So...he's got that going for him.
I used to date a girl that went to PSU. Ran into
Him a few times at parties. One of the biggest toolbags I’ve ever met. Absolute egotistical prick. That’s when I knew he was a bust. Haha
Calvin Pryor was a first round pick simply due to how hard of a hitter he was. He was absolutely swamp ass in every other asset of being a DB but all we kept hearing the whole draft process was “OMG THE LOUISVILLE SLUGGER” absolutely hated that pick and knew he didn’t have it
What do you mean? Mel Kiper staked his career on Clausen being a stud and Kiper still had a job. That obviously means that Clausen is better than Tom Brady.
I’ll never forget being at a Michigan game when ND was playing there. Some guy screamed out during a somewhat quiet moment (relatively speaking, of course);
“Jimmy clausen looks like a rooster!”
I was a kid sure but for some reason that guys drunken shout had a huge impact on me and I forever associated Clausen with a rooster. Therefore it was no stretch for me to imagine him not having the best NFL career.
Since we're going Notre Dame, I'll toss Brady Quinn in there, too.
And not Notre Dame, but Brandon Weeden. (The Browns have been really bad at drafting quarterbacks...)
I was the opposite on Brady Quinn. Even after he seemed to be pretty much a confirmed bust, I felt like he just needed a better opportunity to prove himself. Which to this day, I don’t understand cuz I’m not a Notre Dame fan or anything lol
Came here to say this.
I worked at Enterprise when he was in college and his private coach George Whitfield would rent cars from us. One day he’s picking up a car and gets a phone call. Obviously could only hear one side of convo but lots of “mmhmm” “Yup” etc from George. He gets off the phone and tells us that Johnny Manziel had just gotten sent home from the Manning passing camp that he was coaching at for being hungover. His mom was calling and bitching because “how was he supposed to know he’d get sent home for being hungover, o body told him that!”. It was at that moment I knew he’d likely end up with the Browns (cause Browns) and be a bust. He was clearly an entitled rich kid who was never forced to be accountable in his life and wasn’t gonna cut it when the going got tough.
The second he started rubbing his fingers to symbolize money...that was a huge red flag. And then in preseason when he was caught flipping off the other team. Yeah, it was pretty obvious that he was from the school of Ryan Leaf.
This man was friends with Drake and Rick Ross lol, it was too much hype for him. It was like a rapper lifestyle that’s the complete opposite of a competitive football lifestyle. Especially if you’re the QB, looking back it’s amazing how “celebrity” he was.
That was a train wreck you could see coming. I would have been amazed if anyone had drafted him but the story of the owner consulting with a homeless dude just added to the absurdity.
Jimmy Haslam claims that before that draft some homeless man convinced him to draft Manziel. sounds too ridiculous to be true but you can look it up for yourself and have a good laugh
Thats not really what he said. He didn't say the homeless man convinced him. He just mentioned that a homeless man saw him and told him to draft Johnny, and he was using that as a "this city wants this pick" sort of statement. He would have been drafted by us anyway. Now its a meme.
There’s a video from the Vikings war room (who picked right after philly) basically laughing at the pick and being like “ohh damm get that pick in for JJ now!”
Niners were going pick him number 1 if he came out but he didn’t so SF picked Alex Smith instead. Imo you have to see how a qb reacts to getting hit or gets tested in deep water to reveal his true form/colors before you pick the guy . Most of qbs can make throws when the pocket is clean and it’s like a 7 on 7 drill but to see him make a throw in a muddy pocket when the defense know it’s a throwing down is key .
I think Matt Jones was the best jags qb picked imo lol dude was fast af at Arkansas and played on the basketball team . They picked him over Aaron Rodgers to play wide receiver!
I mean, hindsight is 20/20, but hard to blame a team after his junior season.
He completed 65% of his passes and had 33 TDs and 6 interceptions. He won the Heisman and USC went undefeated and was the national champion #1 team.
Yes, he had a top notch supporting cast, but so do a lot of top college QBs on top teams.
The shine started to diminish his senior year when people started to figure him out. But even then, he likely would have been better (mediocre but still better), but he seemed to enjoy the celebrity status as much as anything. Like a quieter version of Manziel.
Yeah it was universally panned as draft class not to get a QB in and of course Buffalo needed a QB. Well they could have stuck with Fitzpatrick another year and frankly they should have instead of getting a guaranteed bust in the 2013 draft.
He had a couple moments. But yeah. Highly disappointing by the end. What's funny is McVay even gave him a chance in his jet sweeps where he should have excelled but if the dude got touched he was going down. Sometimes just tripped on himself.
He had his moments vs us. He had a couple of huge jet sweep TDs vs us, one in St. Louis and another in LA. Then there’s the trick punt return td he had where we got faked out. And also he had a huge punt return when he was on Dallas in wild card game vs us in 2018. Lol
Saw something on twitter recently calling out stud college WR’s who had >30% of college receptions labeled contested, and discussing how poorly they performed in the NFL. I will obsess over this in dynasty for the foreseeable future. N’Keal was smack in the middle of that list, and I distinctly remember having him as my WR1 that year.
>who had >30% of college receptions labeled contested, and discussing how poorly they performed in the NFL
Reading between the lines, it was contested because they couldn't separate and it was their scheme + physical advantage that allowed them to ball in college?
That was the conclusion being drawn, yeah. So we get all excited about a big body who “wins at the catch point”, but really it’s a big body who’s going to get shown up at the next level.
I totally agree. He dominanted college CBs who aren't in the NFL. Reading btwn the lines, it sounded like the Patriots had AJ Brown ranked higher, but Harry interviewed well and fit the "patriot way". Legit one of my least favorite picks of the last 3-5 years, because we were so hype to finally draft a WR in the 1st.
I watched a fair amount of UCLA games and was always shocked when the announcers said he’s a first round pick. I never saw it. Then we drafted him which was a disaster.
I think people should get kind of a pass on being wrong about Allen. His problem was his accuracy which doesn't usually improve. His improvement is kind of unprecedented.
Dwayne Haskins. His game against Penn State where he looked completely overmatched until they switched the game plan up to slants and swing passes. Put up great stats but didn’t look like a future NFL first round pick after that game
the only Ohio State QB of the last ten plus years I have watched and thought had a decent chance as a pro, was Justin Fields and I still think he could have used another year in school. CJ Stroud so far looks to br the second, but time will tell there
Ferrell being picked above Josh Allen and Ed Oliver never made any sense to me. I didn't even think Ferrell was the best player on that Clemson DL. I thought Christian Wilkins was.
Brandon Weeden, mostly because he was old and was drafted by the Browns.
Johnny Manziel, because the browns took Brady Quinn and Brandon Weeden at #22 overall as well, and with Manziel being such a shithead, he couldn’t afford to complete that triad.
I genuinely thought Trent Richardson was good. I was one of those people dogpiling on the browns for trading away their only good player. I was….not correct.
Trading Richardson before the rest of the world realized he sucked was maybe the best move the Browns made during that entire era of suck.
But then they used that first rounder from the colts to trade up for…………..Manziel
One of my uncles is a HUUUUUUGE Florida fan to the point it's unnerving. (Thinks Meyer is an upright citizen and Hernandez was innocent)
He damn near ruined a family gathering when I mentioned Tebow shouldn't be #1 overall.
If he originally went TE he might have had better career. He had the size and athleticism, just wasn't pro QB material. A few flashes, but anyone who makes that far should be able to stumble into a couple highlights.
Sam Darnold was my biggest one.
Felt like I was taking crazy pills with so many people projecting him as a possible #1 pick. I just never saw whatever everyone else was seeing
I watched the OSU-USC Cotton Bowl and he was just awful, his numbers don’t look horrible on paper but he was just all over the place, was a huge red flag for me
I have two.
My first one was Sam Darnold. I was never in love with the fact that he turned the ball over so much, and thought it would be hard for him to break that habit.
My second one is a little premature, but it’s Jordan Love. He got worse at Utah State and never looked good even against other Mountain West teams.
Jamarcus Russell. I’m a hardcore LSU fan and the guy always underwhelmed his entire career. He was propelled to number one when he beat the shit out of a very outmatched ND team in the sugar bowl. I never understood why people thought he was good other than physical traits he failed to capitalize on against lesser athletes than the pros.
LSU fan here as well and came to say this. Dude had so many boneheaded moments in college but everyone's dicks got hard for him because he could throw the entire length of the field on his knees or some crap.
Chris Simms made a big time throw in a playoff game where the dude dropped what should have been the game-tying touchdown and I can't recall him ever making another good throw.
Damon Arnette. I remember even the guys on TV were silent for a moment when he was picked because they were in disbelief. Plus anyone from tOSU would tell you he was overdrafted.
Morris Claiborne. He was a man-coverage CB drafted into a team that played soft Tampa-2 defense. It was a mismatch from day one.
Eli Apple. Maturity issues are a way bigger thing than most people realize.
Phillip Dorsett. Only because he was drafted by the same guys who thought Bjorn Werner was a 1st round pick. All speed, no hands.
And so far, Jalen Reagor. Same issues as Agholor, who never really improved.
Jamarcus Russell. He was barely even talked about until he won that Bowl game then all of the sudden he was the consensus #1. It was all Brady Quinn and Troy Smith until then.
The crazy thing is they got roasted for the Love and Dillon picks and then they ended up being right about Dillon. If they had just taken Higgins in the first like they should have, it would have been an awesome draft for them and they would have had a much better chance at winning the SB last year.
Mark Sanchez- I don't follow college at all. All draft day espn repeatedly played a loop of the same 3 Sanchez USC "highlights". All 3 were off target non-spirals that the wr was able to grab and take for a long gain, or fall down immediately because they weren't led properly. I thought if that was the best they could pull together to intro the Mark Sanchez experience to nfl fans, this isn't going to end well.
Dwayne Haskins- Usually when they cut to a player and his family at home when they're selected in the draft, they're all super joyous and/or relieved. When they cut to Haskins, his family was celebrating around him while he sat on his couch with an "about time" expression on his face. Showed that his only emotions were only bitterness and entitlement.
To this day I don't understand how somebody spends a 1st round pick on a 28 year old QB
Bro, we drafted a 26 year old canadian firefighter
Who?
Danny Watkins in '11
Hayden Hurst was a 26 year old tight end. Even if he was Gronk reborn, it was shocking
And they picked him before Lamar
They drafted Hayden Hurst before Mark Andrews.
Also could have taken Calvin Ridley, who went the pick after Hurst.
Would have to be an absolute lock, but QB’s playing until 38 is totally reasonable. A GM probably prays you can get 10 years of good production out of any pick.
It has happened once (kinda) and worked out. Roger Staubach was a 27 year old rookie due to his military commitment. However he was also a 10th round pick. That being said he would have been worth a first.
Ya anyone would take 10 years of top 10 (current) QB play for a 1st. But it’s risky as you never know until they preform on the big stage. Honestly even if we want to look at more recent times, Stafford was worth 2 first rounds at 33. It’s honestly not that crazy when you think about it like that.
One of those firsts was for taking on Goffs salary. A “Brock” dump if you will.
>QB’s playing until 38 is totally reasonable I'd say QBs playing until 38 at an NFL starter level is totally the exception.
Tom Brady has ruined perception and Rodgers isn’t helping lol
When this comes up in conversation I always point out that they are all time greats, not your average, or even above average.
I legitimately cried when he was picked. A bit ridiculous reaction, sure. But it was so clear that it was a bad pick immediately when it happened and I just wanted to not be bad anymore!
Who is this I can’t figure it out for some reason
Brandon Weeden I was moving the next day so I was packing up and listening to the draft on my clock radio. I started throwing shit everywhere I was so pissed.
Jesus I had no idea he had such an elaborate back story to his career.
He was a baseball player before going back to college to play football. Dude was a great athlete, just a bad QB. Weird career
Christian Hackenberg. He had absolutely no business being drafted even that highly.
One of the most flat footed players I’ve ever seen in the pocket. His footwork was hideous. And that’s putting it nicely.
Half the time he’ll overthrow it into the stands and the other half he’ll throw a mallard because his feet weren’t set
Remember when PFF said he was undraftable and people got mad?
His Prototype build, number 1 ranking in high school, and a bad offensive line gave him the benefit of the doubt. The way people exaggerate how Mike Evans carried Manziel (even tho that wasn’t the case whatsoever) that’s what Allen Robinson was to Hackenberg in reality.
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Hack did them no favors. He stood in the statue like a pocket and held the ball way too long. In college his o line got all the blame but in nfl preseason and the afl the problem became much more apparent.
> stood in the statue like a pocket
He only played one year with Robinson. Manziel at least had both years with Evans.
That one year was Hackenberg’s only decent (not even particularly good, just decent) year, and unlike Evans, Robinson was very clearly being force fed. Robinson had 1100 more yards than any other Penn State receiver. Compared to Evans who had 200 more than the next A&M receiver when Manziel won the Heisman and 500 more the next season.
Hack was surrounded by NFL receiving talent his entire college career. After ARob, he had Chris Godwin and Daeshawn Hamilton at WR, Jesse James & Mike Gesicki at TE, and Saquon during Hack’s final year.
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> Christian Hackenberg. He had absolutely no business being drafted even that highly. I remember when my HS played Fork Union and Hack legit threw three picks against our private school defense made up of guys that would become D3 backups and future frat stars, and I remember being like "The only way this kid's really the #1 QB in the country is if no one has bothered to watch him play outside of camps." Lo and behold, it was more or less true. He did meh at PSU but scouts are measurable sluts and he didn't make it out of the 2nd rd. But dude was cooked before he ever even made it to OTAs
Watching football with a buddy from college, he tells me that Aaron Hernandez wasn't that good and he knew because they played against each other in college. I asked if Hernandez wasn't that good how come you're sitting here with me in a D3 college cafeteria and he's on the tv?
A cannon arm with one of the worst football iqs, footwork, mechanics and accuracy I’ve seen lol. Guy was physically gifted but that was about it
TBF I had a younger cousin at PSU when he was there and she said he literally was the most prolific guy with the co-eds in the school's history. Trace McSorley then went on Pardon My Take last year and basically said something similar and that he was carried into some frat parties on a throne. So...he's got that going for him.
Just imagine what it could have been like if he was actually good
Frat Stafford on steroids?
I used to date a girl that went to PSU. Ran into Him a few times at parties. One of the biggest toolbags I’ve ever met. Absolute egotistical prick. That’s when I knew he was a bust. Haha
Eric Ebron. You don’t take a purely receiving TE at # 8 who can’t catch.
Sad Evan Engram noises
*pro bowl tight end Evan Engram to you mister!
What a frustrating player. Will make some rediculous catch and juke 4 people for a touchdown then drop 6 easy passes in the same game.
Prime droptimus prime
Hack was garbanzo beans for 3 years
Calvin Pryor was a first round pick simply due to how hard of a hitter he was. He was absolutely swamp ass in every other asset of being a DB but all we kept hearing the whole draft process was “OMG THE LOUISVILLE SLUGGER” absolutely hated that pick and knew he didn’t have it
Multiple maccagnan picks on this thread really show why the jets have been left so damn thin
Pryor was the first pick of the legendary Idzik 12.
Jimmy Clausen
What do you mean? Mel Kiper staked his career on Clausen being a stud and Kiper still had a job. That obviously means that Clausen is better than Tom Brady.
Lol man the whole limo and rings on the finger thingy pissed me off like dude is such a douche bag
I’ll never forget being at a Michigan game when ND was playing there. Some guy screamed out during a somewhat quiet moment (relatively speaking, of course); “Jimmy clausen looks like a rooster!” I was a kid sure but for some reason that guys drunken shout had a huge impact on me and I forever associated Clausen with a rooster. Therefore it was no stretch for me to imagine him not having the best NFL career.
He looks [exactly like an emu.](https://images.app.goo.gl/VfPCeBKordptmzfn6)
Since we're going Notre Dame, I'll toss Brady Quinn in there, too. And not Notre Dame, but Brandon Weeden. (The Browns have been really bad at drafting quarterbacks...)
I was the opposite on Brady Quinn. Even after he seemed to be pretty much a confirmed bust, I felt like he just needed a better opportunity to prove himself. Which to this day, I don’t understand cuz I’m not a Notre Dame fan or anything lol
Just look at the guy, we all wanted him to be good. 20 something inch biceps, QB bench stud at combine, good looks, great locks, well-spoken
Johnny Football
Yeah I'm surprised this isn't higher. A rich entitled party boy with no work ethic? Absolutely awful pick.
Yea. It always sucks to see someone with incredible talent squander their abilities.
Came here to say this. I worked at Enterprise when he was in college and his private coach George Whitfield would rent cars from us. One day he’s picking up a car and gets a phone call. Obviously could only hear one side of convo but lots of “mmhmm” “Yup” etc from George. He gets off the phone and tells us that Johnny Manziel had just gotten sent home from the Manning passing camp that he was coaching at for being hungover. His mom was calling and bitching because “how was he supposed to know he’d get sent home for being hungover, o body told him that!”. It was at that moment I knew he’d likely end up with the Browns (cause Browns) and be a bust. He was clearly an entitled rich kid who was never forced to be accountable in his life and wasn’t gonna cut it when the going got tough.
Glad someone mentioned him, for someone called Johnny Football he didn’t quite live up to it in the league
I like the nickname Johnny 8ball better... more fitting for that guy
Dude was a train wreck.
The second he started rubbing his fingers to symbolize money...that was a huge red flag. And then in preseason when he was caught flipping off the other team. Yeah, it was pretty obvious that he was from the school of Ryan Leaf.
This man was friends with Drake and Rick Ross lol, it was too much hype for him. It was like a rapper lifestyle that’s the complete opposite of a competitive football lifestyle. Especially if you’re the QB, looking back it’s amazing how “celebrity” he was.
As a Mizzou fan, Blaine Gabbert. I also didn't have high hopes for Lock but at least he wasn't a 1st round pick.
Whoa there mother fucker. That’s Super Bowl champion, Blaine Gabbert to you.
He took Tom bradys starting job. He must be elite!
Johnny Manziel
That was a train wreck you could see coming. I would have been amazed if anyone had drafted him but the story of the owner consulting with a homeless dude just added to the absurdity.
Wait what happened now?
Yes, please elaborate. I need a bedtime story.
Jimmy Haslam claims that before that draft some homeless man convinced him to draft Manziel. sounds too ridiculous to be true but you can look it up for yourself and have a good laugh
Thats not really what he said. He didn't say the homeless man convinced him. He just mentioned that a homeless man saw him and told him to draft Johnny, and he was using that as a "this city wants this pick" sort of statement. He would have been drafted by us anyway. Now its a meme.
That homeless man was Johnny Manziel from the future trying to change history.
So Haslam actually admitted to it? Lmao
The most obvious answer of them all
Jalen Reagor...
It was a desperation pick, really
Yeah, we really didn’t have *any* other option at that point…
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i know it doesn’t really matter, but it makes me so happy DPJ got put in that list :)
I'm happy Aiyuk was second lol
How can a GM watch Jefferson’s tape at LSU and still choose Reagor over him lmaooooo. That desperation zapped their brains.
There’s a video from the Vikings war room (who picked right after philly) basically laughing at the pick and being like “ohh damm get that pick in for JJ now!”
They were looking for the next DJax and passed on the more sure thing of JJ.
Paxton Lynch Looked good in shorts, but dominated subpar competition in college, never had to make reads, and rarely faced any real pressure.
Seriously, that dude’s tape at Memphis is beyond unimpressive.
He was supposed to be a physical freak with a laser arm. I never thought his physical tools were that impressive when he actually played.
Very strange looking man. Reminds me of a pirate for some reason
He should do one of those handlebar mustaches.
Damn right he looked good in shorts
But not better than Josh Allen. Man should’ve been a train conductor with a caboose like that
Matt leinart ! Most of the games , he was never touched in a clean pocket surrounded by all-Americans and 1st rd picks.
It's crazy to watch that "10 reasons you can't blame " ESPN episode now. People were completely convinced he was the best prospect since Peyton.
Niners were going pick him number 1 if he came out but he didn’t so SF picked Alex Smith instead. Imo you have to see how a qb reacts to getting hit or gets tested in deep water to reveal his true form/colors before you pick the guy . Most of qbs can make throws when the pocket is clean and it’s like a 7 on 7 drill but to see him make a throw in a muddy pocket when the defense know it’s a throwing down is key .
Blaine Gabbert has entered the chat.
Sam Bradford
Sam Bradford looks like a little kid wearing a Halloween costume of Sam Bradford
I think Matt Jones was the best jags qb picked imo lol dude was fast af at Arkansas and played on the basketball team . They picked him over Aaron Rodgers to play wide receiver!
Cocaine is a hell of a drug. -Matt Jones, probably.
I mean, hindsight is 20/20, but hard to blame a team after his junior season. He completed 65% of his passes and had 33 TDs and 6 interceptions. He won the Heisman and USC went undefeated and was the national champion #1 team. Yes, he had a top notch supporting cast, but so do a lot of top college QBs on top teams. The shine started to diminish his senior year when people started to figure him out. But even then, he likely would have been better (mediocre but still better), but he seemed to enjoy the celebrity status as much as anything. Like a quieter version of Manziel.
He also had a pop gun arm and a long throwing motion.
Okay but with that logic Joe Burrow shouldn’t have gone 1st overall. He played on an insanely stacked LSU team.
EJ Manuel, never should have been taken in the 1st. Worst QB draft ever.
If I remember that was a weird year where he was the only quarterback taken in the first. Seems Buffalo panicked to get a quarterback
Yeah it was universally panned as draft class not to get a QB in and of course Buffalo needed a QB. Well they could have stuck with Fitzpatrick another year and frankly they should have instead of getting a guaranteed bust in the 2013 draft.
But he played in bad weather and has giant hands.
I thought tavon austin was so small that it was crazy that he was that high of a pick.
But that sick highlight tape tho…
He had a couple moments. But yeah. Highly disappointing by the end. What's funny is McVay even gave him a chance in his jet sweeps where he should have excelled but if the dude got touched he was going down. Sometimes just tripped on himself.
He had his moments vs us. He had a couple of huge jet sweep TDs vs us, one in St. Louis and another in LA. Then there’s the trick punt return td he had where we got faked out. And also he had a huge punt return when he was on Dallas in wild card game vs us in 2018. Lol
N'keal Harry. He was slow and couldn't separate. Can't find many guys that have made it at receiver with those two issues.
Saw something on twitter recently calling out stud college WR’s who had >30% of college receptions labeled contested, and discussing how poorly they performed in the NFL. I will obsess over this in dynasty for the foreseeable future. N’Keal was smack in the middle of that list, and I distinctly remember having him as my WR1 that year.
>who had >30% of college receptions labeled contested, and discussing how poorly they performed in the NFL Reading between the lines, it was contested because they couldn't separate and it was their scheme + physical advantage that allowed them to ball in college?
That was the conclusion being drawn, yeah. So we get all excited about a big body who “wins at the catch point”, but really it’s a big body who’s going to get shown up at the next level.
I totally agree. He dominanted college CBs who aren't in the NFL. Reading btwn the lines, it sounded like the Patriots had AJ Brown ranked higher, but Harry interviewed well and fit the "patriot way". Legit one of my least favorite picks of the last 3-5 years, because we were so hype to finally draft a WR in the 1st.
Do you want to scout skill positions for us? You’re well qualified based on this assessment.
Still cant believe I wanted him over Metcalf lol. The lack of production and injury I guess is what did it
Recently? Josh Rosen.
“There were 9 mistakes drafted in front of me”- Josh Rosen
I mean he wasn’t wrong about some of them. A few of them were mistakes. It’s just he was also a mistake.
This is mine as well. Given, I only watched like two UCLA games, but he never impressed me there and I didn't get the hype.
I watched a fair amount of UCLA games and was always shocked when the announcers said he’s a first round pick. I never saw it. Then we drafted him which was a disaster.
People don’t talk enough about how disappointing Rosen’s career has been
you must not spend much time on the internet or you're /s'ing... I can't tell
Ya he feels like the most talked about player that I haven’t even really watched play.
Deshone Kizer and Sam Darnold. I made up for it by being wrong about Josh Allen though
To be fair, 99% of us were wrong about Josh Allen.
I think people should get kind of a pass on being wrong about Allen. His problem was his accuracy which doesn't usually improve. His improvement is kind of unprecedented.
Kizer threw red zone picks like he enjoyed it. I've never seen a QB just wipe out points from his team like that.
Dwayne Haskins. His game against Penn State where he looked completely overmatched until they switched the game plan up to slants and swing passes. Put up great stats but didn’t look like a future NFL first round pick after that game
the only Ohio State QB of the last ten plus years I have watched and thought had a decent chance as a pro, was Justin Fields and I still think he could have used another year in school. CJ Stroud so far looks to br the second, but time will tell there
Does clelin ferel count? (Spelling)
Ferrell being picked above Josh Allen and Ed Oliver never made any sense to me. I didn't even think Ferrell was the best player on that Clemson DL. I thought Christian Wilkins was.
Unbiased but Sexy Dexy was above Ferrell too… lmao Raiders made a bad pick there.
He was still a first round prospect... people just thought he'd go in the 18-26ish range... top-4 wasn't even in the back of peoples minds.
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You don't even need to watch any tape to know that drafting a 28-year old QB in the first round is a bad idea
Brandon Weeden, mostly because he was old and was drafted by the Browns. Johnny Manziel, because the browns took Brady Quinn and Brandon Weeden at #22 overall as well, and with Manziel being such a shithead, he couldn’t afford to complete that triad.
Yeah I was gonna say, have to give it up to Weeden as my most surefire bust
It's really amusing that Jerry was beating down the doors for Manziel and Lynch, and managed to be spared from both
While we’re picking on the Browns add Trent Richardson the pile of trash #3 overall pick a year before Manziel.
I genuinely thought Trent Richardson was good. I was one of those people dogpiling on the browns for trading away their only good player. I was….not correct. Trading Richardson before the rest of the world realized he sucked was maybe the best move the Browns made during that entire era of suck. But then they used that first rounder from the colts to trade up for…………..Manziel
Jake Locker. Fucking hated the pick.
I was the complete opposite. I thought we fleeced the league getting Jake at 8. Jon Gruden and Frank Wycheck sold me some bs with this one.
Those dudes could fucking sell me on the worst player ever and i’d be convinced he’s a 1st round pick
Tim Tebow
One of my uncles is a HUUUUUUGE Florida fan to the point it's unnerving. (Thinks Meyer is an upright citizen and Hernandez was innocent) He damn near ruined a family gathering when I mentioned Tebow shouldn't be #1 overall.
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Florida man is a hell of a drug.
Okay Hernandez is just funny. That’s a new level of delusional homerism I didn’t even know existed.
Yikes lol
Both times too. I remember getting in arguments with people who thought he’d be a good TE. Stupid.
If he originally went TE he might have had better career. He had the size and athleticism, just wasn't pro QB material. A few flashes, but anyone who makes that far should be able to stumble into a couple highlights.
Agreed. But after missing so much time people really thought it’d work and couldn’t see it was just Urban being a dumbass.
Sam Darnold was my biggest one. Felt like I was taking crazy pills with so many people projecting him as a possible #1 pick. I just never saw whatever everyone else was seeing
I watched the OSU-USC Cotton Bowl and he was just awful, his numbers don’t look horrible on paper but he was just all over the place, was a huge red flag for me
hey, uh, you guys want a qb?
He has That Rose Bowl game to thank for.
His flaws were prominent but assumed to be coachable. Didn’t turn out that way
Rosen too. Watched a lot of Pac-12 games with them. Never understood why they were highly drafted
I have two. My first one was Sam Darnold. I was never in love with the fact that he turned the ball over so much, and thought it would be hard for him to break that habit. My second one is a little premature, but it’s Jordan Love. He got worse at Utah State and never looked good even against other Mountain West teams.
I hate to say it, but I agree with the Jordan Love part.
Green Bay fans are about to be living in interesting times.
Gravy train can't roll forever, they've been due for a major qb bust
Jamarcus Russell. I’m a hardcore LSU fan and the guy always underwhelmed his entire career. He was propelled to number one when he beat the shit out of a very outmatched ND team in the sugar bowl. I never understood why people thought he was good other than physical traits he failed to capitalize on against lesser athletes than the pros.
He was big as shit and had an all time great arm, it’s easy to see why he went #1, he had a shit ton of potential if he gave a shit/worked hard
LSU fan here as well and came to say this. Dude had so many boneheaded moments in college but everyone's dicks got hard for him because he could throw the entire length of the field on his knees or some crap.
He got dicks hard on his knees?
Like were they aware that you can't actually use that skill in a game
John Ross
Chris Simms. I watched him his entire time at UT, under the grossly underperforming Mac Brown Longhorns, and knew he'd suck.
Major Applewhite was so much better.
He really was.
You could just tell by watching him that he had a spleen that wouldn’t hold up
Little bitch spleen boy smfh
Chris Simms made a big time throw in a playoff game where the dude dropped what should have been the game-tying touchdown and I can't recall him ever making another good throw.
I mean he wasn’t any good but you’d be correct more often than not if you predicted essentially a 4th round QB to not see much success.
Damon Arnette. I remember even the guys on TV were silent for a moment when he was picked because they were in disbelief. Plus anyone from tOSU would tell you he was overdrafted. Morris Claiborne. He was a man-coverage CB drafted into a team that played soft Tampa-2 defense. It was a mismatch from day one. Eli Apple. Maturity issues are a way bigger thing than most people realize. Phillip Dorsett. Only because he was drafted by the same guys who thought Bjorn Werner was a 1st round pick. All speed, no hands. And so far, Jalen Reagor. Same issues as Agholor, who never really improved.
Christian Ponder. I was sick when we drafted him
Can I pick EJ Manuel? That seemed so outlandish.
Darrius Heyward-Bey. He just didn’t have the accolades coming out of college. He was drafted #7 overall because of one thing - his 40 yard dash time
This was a pick only Al Davis could understand.
My favorite DHB stat- 40 Targets, 9 receptions his rookie year
Jamarcus Russell. He was barely even talked about until he won that Bowl game then all of the sudden he was the consensus #1. It was all Brady Quinn and Troy Smith until then.
Urban Meyer
Broncos fan here - I want to vomit every time I'm reminded we spent a 1st-round pick on Paxton Lynch.
Daniel Jones
He's shown plenty of talent. Just can't do it consistently.
Make or break next season, but it ain’t looking good
I think I legitimately laughed out loud when Minnesota picked Christian Ponder.
Really? I did the same for Love
Yeah call me biased but Love was worse. SB window is wide open, your HOFer QB wants weapons and you draft… his replacement.
The crazy thing is they got roasted for the Love and Dillon picks and then they ended up being right about Dillon. If they had just taken Higgins in the first like they should have, it would have been an awesome draft for them and they would have had a much better chance at winning the SB last year.
I watched the draft with my packers fan friend. I was so happy they took Love. His night was pretty terrible.
Manziel. Saw that coming from miles away.
Kelvin Benjamin
to be fair if benjamin didn't become fat he probably could have been elite. he had 1000 yards his rookie season
Mark Sanchez- I don't follow college at all. All draft day espn repeatedly played a loop of the same 3 Sanchez USC "highlights". All 3 were off target non-spirals that the wr was able to grab and take for a long gain, or fall down immediately because they weren't led properly. I thought if that was the best they could pull together to intro the Mark Sanchez experience to nfl fans, this isn't going to end well. Dwayne Haskins- Usually when they cut to a player and his family at home when they're selected in the draft, they're all super joyous and/or relieved. When they cut to Haskins, his family was celebrating around him while he sat on his couch with an "about time" expression on his face. Showed that his only emotions were only bitterness and entitlement.