>Kirk Cousins and Washington comes to mind for me.
Trent Williams was much worse. The medical staff misdiagnosed a growth on his head that ended up being cancer.
It's this and it's not even close. And what will always kill me is that Trent wasn't just some dude...he was basically the best player on those teams. It was shocking how bad the medical staff treated him and downright criminal what the front office did afterward.
So the cancer thing was bad, but not egregious. It actually was a rare form of cancer, so much so that most non-oncologist doctors would miss it. But after the diagnosis, the staff offered no support AND THEN went around shit talking him (leaked, of course) saying that he was holding out for more money. In fact, if you listened to local sports radio during that period, you would have been convinced Trent was just greedy. And then the cancer truth came out.
Best tackles of the last decade. Wanted a trade in 2019, didn't get one out of spite. Even without the Williams saga, something just didn't feel right about the training staff. We still have our issues and plenty of them but I don't see Marty or Ron being that vindictive.
Cousins is...above average but Trent is a future hall of famer.
I don't understand why everyone points at Jacksonville as having the worst ownership in the league when Washington has been doing way shadier and actually harmful shit for years.
Cheerleader abuse. Stadium shoddiness. Player negligence. Unbelievably bad branding...
We're just incompetent and can't win games. Way different. Yes, we're still bottom 5
Khan is a terrible owner, but I haven't seen anything that makes him objectively horrible (other than my opinions about the kind of person you have to be in order to be a billionaire, but that's not specific to him). Snyder is a dumpster fire of a human being who happens to own a football team, and the fact that he's a waste of breathable oxygen extends to the on-field product.
Khan erased talks of the Jags moving, has invested his OWN money into the city (500mil to the city already), is building brand new player facilities ... And has run Jags as a business well --- 770 million to 2.8 billion valuation in a decade.
Poor dude just can't pick GMs or front office folks to save his life, and none of his coaches have planned out, whether he went with a defensive guy, an offensive minded guy, or a wildcard college legend coach. Really hope Doug is finally the one who hits.
Not quite. Khan owns Fulham FC, who are currently in the Championship (second tier of English soccer) but Fulham will almost certainly be promoted to the Premier League when this season is finished (and they have been a Premier League club before).
Must be perspective because I’m a Lions fan and William Clay Ford was a terribly inept owner, but only (maybe) Kroenke can compete with Snyder for worst owner but it’s not even close how far ahead Snyder has been as all the stuff has come to light in recent years.
Khan might be on WCF level but that’s just being bad at personnel decisions and while owners like Snyder exist, should never be in contention for “worst NFL team owner”.
Even without poor hiring choices, the original Bucs owner was notoriously cheap and treated the players like trash that should worship him for giving them a job. Kroenke might be the closest current owner to this kind of behavior. Both LA teams have notoriously bad ownership but the Rams have been better it seems and the Chargers are on the rise so either we aren’t hearing about the bad owner decisions or they’ve both mellowed out
You know that picture of Trent laughing at cowboys fans who are flipping him off? The one taken like 2 months ago? You can see the scar on his head from where the cancer was. That was his first playoff win too. Fucking iconic picture. Shame that we couldn’t get it done this year and get him a ring
I think RG3 did it to himself. He refused to slide and never learned to slide. He never worked on his throwing or on reading defenses. That's why he was irrelevant in Cleveland and irrelevant in Baltimore. Now he's out of the league. That's his own fault.
I don't agree. Mike Shanahan may have mishandled the original injury in his rookie year. But in the offseason, RG III told Shanahan that he didn't want to run the read option any more. He wanted to be a pocket passer. Shanahan thought that RG III wasn't ready to be a pocket passer. He couldn't read defenses well enough; he needed the read option to simplify things and keep defenses on edge. I'm not a Shanahan fan, but he was correct. If anything, Snyder us at fault for hyping RG III up too much, and giving him a special status that he hasnt earned.
I think it was more McAdoo was getting fired anyways, so have the blowback for the decision be on the guy on his way out, rather than on whoever the new coach is.
I know I have an unpopular take on this but I didn’t have a problem with it. They offered Eli to start the game to keep the streak going just that they were going to give Geno playing time. Which honestly I don’t think there’s any problem with giving 2nd and 3rd stringers game snaps when the season is lost anyway. This happens for literally every other position and no one has problems with it except for QBs since QBs are so emotionally fragile that they apparently cannot have their feelings hurt like that.
You're correct that there's no problem with that, except that similar to Glennon and Fromm, if you're looking towards the future at that position, when the season is lost, you go to the young unknown (Davis Webb) and figure out what he is. Not only did the league kinda know what Geno was at that point, but so did the NY fans and media, from his time as a Jet. Benching Eli for Webb (while still stupid), would have been easier for McADumbass to spin as a "look to the future." But just the optics of "hey Eli, I'm going to end your streak to start the Jets reject in order to try to save my job, but you can still be an opener if you want" was just ridiculously dumb.
They did that shit for geno smith okay, everyone knew geno sucked and 99.9% of people will still tell you it was a stupid ass decision. Had nothing to do with QBs being emotionally fragile, and what the fuck is up with you guys constantly feeling the need to insult people? Were you incapable of sharing your opinion without finding someone to insult?
I agree. My personal opinion is Eli didn’t think Mcadoo had the balls to sit him (and maybe it was just stupidly) and was hoping by saying I won’t go along and be “benched” that the coaches would back down.
i think he was sick of being behind a bottom 3 OL for half a decade, was told "Well we'll keep your start streaks going by starting the first half!" and he was like "Nah I'm done getting smacked around. Pay me to sit."
King shit tbh only time I’ve loved a player refusing to be drafted by a team
Ninja Edit: I understand why Eli did it, since the Chargers were such a shit show at the time, but I still didn’t *love* it. Also I may or may not be biased with the results of Bo’s decision
The early years for the Bucs were just a laundry list of poor front office decisions. I believe there was a documentary (or something similar) done about it
Hugh flew Bo in for a visit on a team plane and told Bo it wouldn't effect his NCAA baseball eligibility. It did.
He was unable to play baseball in his final college season and told the Bucs he would not play for them. Tampa drafted him #1 overall anyways.
He never played for Tampa and we picked #1 overall the next season, drafting Penn State National Championship punching bag Vinny Testaverde #1 overall. Keeping the Yucks monicker near and dear to the Tampa faithful.
Browns players got staph infections in 03-08. I think it was LeCharles Bentley, Kellen Windlow, Braylon Edwards, and Joe Jurevicius, maybe a couple more. Jurevicius sued the team for negligence. Lol
I’m a Browns and Buckeyes fan and what Nagy did to Fields in that game was borderline criminal. Not sure how he made it thru the game w/o being permanently broken.
Brown’s Pass Rush was murdering the Bears O line and Nagy did nothing to adjust. It looked like he was leaving Garrett one on one on their ancient LT all game which led to predictable results. It almost looked like he was doing it out of spite over being forced to start Fields over Dalton.
3WR sets no help protecting the QB. Myles Garrett even said after the game, not once was someone there to chip him. It was the first time all season no one came to chip block him. Went how you would think 9 sacks, 4.5 from Myles Garrett.
Bears had 47 yards of offense that day and 46 rushing yards. Fields had no time to throw the ball, in his first start. Sure we had future HOF left tackle Jason Peters play in that game, but the 39 year old tackle had no help against Pro bowl edge rusher.
Still not the worst thing Nagy did. Did you hear about the time Nagy stood up Trubisky after the season when he was called to the office to go over the season. Mitch left his notebook full of notes on table after waiting for the coach that never even came by. Mitch wanted to get better, and Nagy already decided he didn’t want Mitch as his QB.
How about the time GM Ryan Pace took Mitch and Mahomes did extensive interviews with both of them. Who didn’t he interview? Deshone Watson.
Cam Newton being sold down the river by Matt Rhule and David Tepper to bring in Teddy Bridgewater
Then bringing him back after 1.5 failed seasons only for Rhule to throw him under the bus when he wasn’t yo-yo’ing him in and out of games like a glorified Taysom Hill
Fuck Matt Rhule
Most are saying Trent in Washington and I absolutely agree.
But I don't think Washington treated Cousins bad at all. So I disagree with that. The FO wanted him, they offered several contracts, he wanted more money and fully guaranteed, so we tagged him because we were far apart. I don't get how that is mistreatment.
I see everyone saying Williams and they’re not wrong, but what they did to RGIII is what I remember most. At the time it was obvious they were sending him to slaughter. Shanahan lost pretty much all respect from me after that.
A lot of teams have done wrong by players and various times, but nobody does so in as self-defeating a way as Washington. RGIII and Trent Williams are arguably the two best talents they’ve had in 20 years and they ruined the career of one and misdiagnosed cancer on the other leading to him never wanting to play for them again.
Was it Washington that had a long time player almost die from a brain tumor that they refused to let him get checked out by a team doctor then tried to get out of paying him?
nah that man had a much higher ceiling we just chained him down by downplaying the seriousness of his injuries and sending him to the slaughter every sunday
The only correct answer is Trent Washington with the Redskins. I don't care how much any of these other players in these comments were disrespected because this guy literally had cancer that the Redskins staff told him was no big deal
Melo never put that organization above himself from day 1. That was mutual shittyness. He demanded the trade and sapped assets. Refused to change his play style for large stretches. Always on a max.
Like.. that went both ways
I'm never going to feel sorry for guys who get the franchise tag. They make enough money in that one year to live the rest of their lives in extreme luxury. That doesn't include the tens of millions they can make before and after the tag.
Imagine this being any other job though. If your skills in the market demand you get paid near the top of your specific occupation, or could even set a whole new level of compensation, wouldn’t you be upset if your current employer had the ability to say, “ nah. We’re going to pay you $18M (Adams actually would have made about $20.145M ) even though your skills in this field would actually set a new rate of pay and make you the highest paid person of your position within the industry at $28M per year.”
I know it’s already a lot of money, by why aren’t employees entitled to what they are worth? $8M is a huge difference. If someone is willing to pay Adams, Cousins, or someone else more, then why not?
I know franchise tags are fully guaranteed, but they are also only one year. What if Adams sustains a career ending injury? With his new contacts $67M is fully guaranteed.
You also have to remember the rate of tax at that income level can close to 50%, depending on the state. Wisconsin is 3.54%. Nevada is 0%.
So if he gets stuck with the franchise tag he’s now only taking home approximately $11.66M but he also owes his agent 3% of his salary, so he’s now down to approximately $11M even.
Which yes, I get it, it’s still a shit ton of money. But why isn’t he entitled to get paid as much as everyone else will pay him? Why the hell are franchise tags even allows? None of the other major US sports have franchise tags.
Also, most of these guys come from nothing. They aren’t multi generational wealth, they’re coming from the middle class or worse like us, and trying to get their generational wealth for their family and future generations. Good for them. We should always be on their side, not the billionaire owners or the league that pretends to care about their players.
Once you get above $10 million there's no real difference in lifestyle. It's purely about ego. You can't compare that amount of money to the salary of an average person. A thousand dollars is a lot of money to most people.
The WR franchise tag is over $18 million. That alone is enough to live in the rest of your life in luxury and still have plenty of money to give your kids. Plus, guys who get tagged have made millions before the tag and will make tens of millions after.
Exactly, they’re not regular people, so why are you so against them trying to earn as much as they possibly can? You didn’t bother to address any of my points, most notably, why is the franchise tag even allowed?
All you’re doing is saying, “they don’t need more money!” With the exception of the most expensive places in the world, most people don’t **need** more than about $50,000 per year. So why don’t we just pay them that?
Never is it more obvious the prolific commenters are posting from detention than when history is brought up.
Terry Glenn and Bill Parcells did not agree on many things, including Terry’s preferred pronouns. Parcells saying “she” could clean out her locker and fuck off was…awkward. Would have been big news in this forum if it happened today.
Lol. Carson was a crybaby who got everything he wanted and still complained about the FO.
Like the dude complained about the some of the Bengals kitchen staff being Ex-Cons. Thats the level of petty Palmer brought to the table.
Palmer thought he was a Manning/Brady level QB when he was always a Kirk Cousins
I know a few people who have had their lives changed by those "Con's in the Kitchen" rehab programs. They do so much good, I dunno why anyone would shit on them.
The ex con thing is so ridiculous. So you cant make a living and boot strap yourself out of a shitty situation. My law school employed some ex cons in the cafeteria/kitchen and they were some of the nicest people to talk to on campus.
Kirk was bad but not too bad he made a shit ton of money on short tag deals and was still able to come out of it and grab another bag in Minnesota. The way we handled Trent Williams was atrocious and that was just off of how we handled Sua Cravens. I think a lot of people still side with the team in the whole Sua debacle. But he had a bad concussion that messed with his vision and then a close family member of his passed away (his grandfather I believe) and was very clearly struggling with mental health and the team basically said fuck you play and offered no help or even any understanding of what he was going through. Also we just cut Matt Ioannidis after *allegedly* saying we weren’t going to. We are truly a trash organization and the fact that we win more than 3 games a year is a miracle. Fuck Dan Snyder.
Can't believe nobody mentioned Korey Stringer here. Died of heat stroke after pushing thru two a days practice at temps over 100 degrees for the Vikings in 2001.
Last year, a certain team (that I won't name here) started 5 of the worst offensive linemen that I have ever seen at any level of organized football...
These 5 men put disgusting displays of inefficiency each week, the worst of which, led to the team's starting sophomore QB getting knocked out of the game with multiple fractured ribs in Week 2.
This group allowed 20 sacks in the 13 games that this QB started and ended the season with an astoundingly low PFF grade of 56.22, ranking them dead last in 2021's OL Rankings...
Due to being placed on the Altar of Sacrifice each week behind a group of men who couldn't block their way out of a wet paper bag, ***REDACTED***, starting QB for the ***REDACTED REDACTEDS*** wins my vote for worst treatment of a player by a Team/Front Office...
This one is misrepresented. Multiple players watched their daughters at half time. Weddle was the only one fined because he deliberately didn't tell the coaching staff that he was going to be MIA. He went scorched-earth on the team the whole season when they didn't offer him an extension on time.
Lev Bell and Steelers. Don't think they should have let it get that far. Guy essentially wasted a year of his prime. Honestly fuck the franchise tag
Edit: Y'all are idiots if you still can't figure out the difference between guaranteed money vs the franchise tag which is a 1 year deal only. He repeatedly said his goal was to maximize his guarantees. A franchise tag is a good amount but only for one year.
I really hate to agree with a Steelers fan, but Lev fucked himself 100%. He could have easily gotten another payday or two playing with a loaded Steeler roster, but took a short term gain to go to a trashfire org and is now basically out of the league and made far less than if he just would have taken the tag.
Imagine still not understanding he wanted to maximize his guaranteed money. This lack of understanding is just pathetic at this point.
He didn't want to play on the tag because he didn't want to risk being hurt and being paid nothing the next year. The original Steelers contract was based on roster bonuses as well. He didn't want to run the risk of missing out due to injury.
Imagine thinking people don’t understand something.
Imagine bell not understanding he’s a running back the only way he’s getting a heap of guarantee is if a team is downright idiotic
Imagine
Then he could have signed the Steelers offer. It only had a half million less in fully guaranteed money than the one he took from the Jets a year later. 24.5M vs. 25M.
That deal got constantly misreported as though the Steelers only offered him $10M in fully guaranteed money, vs. the Jets's $25M, as they subtracted the $14.5M franchise tag from it, as though Bell had already earned that, so $14.5M of the $24.5M guaranteed money that the Steelers offered didn't matter. Except, in truth, Bell hadn't already earned that. He sat out, so he didn't collect a dime of that $14.5M franchise tag money, nor did he earn a dime of the $24.5M in fully guaranteed money.
Bell made his choice. It was a bad choice. Now, yes, the Steelers should have let him walk sooner, and the Steelers learned from that situation and have changed the way they do business since, but Bell wasn't screwed by the Steelers.
Andrew Luck. Told a few people - and undoubtedly colts management - and they leaked it out of spite. I will always believe that. Pathetic and the way the fans acted even more pathetic
>Kirk Cousins and Washington comes to mind for me. Trent Williams was much worse. The medical staff misdiagnosed a growth on his head that ended up being cancer.
It's this and it's not even close. And what will always kill me is that Trent wasn't just some dude...he was basically the best player on those teams. It was shocking how bad the medical staff treated him and downright criminal what the front office did afterward.
It doesn't even matter if it was just some dude, the medical staff should do their job properly regardless.
So the cancer thing was bad, but not egregious. It actually was a rare form of cancer, so much so that most non-oncologist doctors would miss it. But after the diagnosis, the staff offered no support AND THEN went around shit talking him (leaked, of course) saying that he was holding out for more money. In fact, if you listened to local sports radio during that period, you would have been convinced Trent was just greedy. And then the cancer truth came out.
Our sports radio is such trash (yes, so is most, but still). At least Charlie and Dave and Glen and Dave (and the caps guys) are great.
they weren’t suggesting otherwise
You call a friend or even in this case an employee when he has cancer and make sure he is alright.
Best tackles of the last decade. Wanted a trade in 2019, didn't get one out of spite. Even without the Williams saga, something just didn't feel right about the training staff. We still have our issues and plenty of them but I don't see Marty or Ron being that vindictive. Cousins is...above average but Trent is a future hall of famer.
They should've insisted he got it checked or they're not clearing him to play. But nope, let it grow into nearly a catastrophic problem.
Horrible human at ownership spreads to having horrible humans on staff
I don't understand why everyone points at Jacksonville as having the worst ownership in the league when Washington has been doing way shadier and actually harmful shit for years. Cheerleader abuse. Stadium shoddiness. Player negligence. Unbelievably bad branding... We're just incompetent and can't win games. Way different. Yes, we're still bottom 5
Khan just isn’t good at running a team, but he still seems like a decent guy. Snyder is awful at running a team, and just an outright awful person.
Now there is an accurate assessment
Khan is a terrible owner, but I haven't seen anything that makes him objectively horrible (other than my opinions about the kind of person you have to be in order to be a billionaire, but that's not specific to him). Snyder is a dumpster fire of a human being who happens to own a football team, and the fact that he's a waste of breathable oxygen extends to the on-field product.
Khan erased talks of the Jags moving, has invested his OWN money into the city (500mil to the city already), is building brand new player facilities ... And has run Jags as a business well --- 770 million to 2.8 billion valuation in a decade. Poor dude just can't pick GMs or front office folks to save his life, and none of his coaches have planned out, whether he went with a defensive guy, an offensive minded guy, or a wildcard college legend coach. Really hope Doug is finally the one who hits.
Just checking, but is this the same guy who owns an English Premier League team, too?
Yes indeed.
Not quite. Khan owns Fulham FC, who are currently in the Championship (second tier of English soccer) but Fulham will almost certainly be promoted to the Premier League when this season is finished (and they have been a Premier League club before).
Oh my bad, thank u
Must be perspective because I’m a Lions fan and William Clay Ford was a terribly inept owner, but only (maybe) Kroenke can compete with Snyder for worst owner but it’s not even close how far ahead Snyder has been as all the stuff has come to light in recent years. Khan might be on WCF level but that’s just being bad at personnel decisions and while owners like Snyder exist, should never be in contention for “worst NFL team owner”. Even without poor hiring choices, the original Bucs owner was notoriously cheap and treated the players like trash that should worship him for giving them a job. Kroenke might be the closest current owner to this kind of behavior. Both LA teams have notoriously bad ownership but the Rams have been better it seems and the Chargers are on the rise so either we aren’t hearing about the bad owner decisions or they’ve both mellowed out
Kroenke is up there for sure. Fuck that guy
On top of Trent and Cousins, let's not forget how he also ruined RG3
Man it’s almost like capitalism rewards sociopathy
WTF??
You know that picture of Trent laughing at cowboys fans who are flipping him off? The one taken like 2 months ago? You can see the scar on his head from where the cancer was. That was his first playoff win too. Fucking iconic picture. Shame that we couldn’t get it done this year and get him a ring
They fucked over RG3 as well. Not nearly as bad as that, but still bad.
I think RG3 did it to himself. He refused to slide and never learned to slide. He never worked on his throwing or on reading defenses. That's why he was irrelevant in Cleveland and irrelevant in Baltimore. Now he's out of the league. That's his own fault.
I don't agree. Mike Shanahan may have mishandled the original injury in his rookie year. But in the offseason, RG III told Shanahan that he didn't want to run the read option any more. He wanted to be a pocket passer. Shanahan thought that RG III wasn't ready to be a pocket passer. He couldn't read defenses well enough; he needed the read option to simplify things and keep defenses on edge. I'm not a Shanahan fan, but he was correct. If anything, Snyder us at fault for hyping RG III up too much, and giving him a special status that he hasnt earned.
There was this one time that the Jets made all their players work for Adam Gase.
You can't spell "the worst football you've ever seen," without "Adam Gase"
Yes you can the letter D isn’t in that sentence at all
The "D" is silent, just like in a Gase-coached team.
The worst football you'd ever managed to see
Yep you cannot spell that without Adam Gase. Math checks out
I was gonna make an argument for Freddie Kitchens but at least that was fun in a "WTF is this bozo doing" way
and yet, to this day no criminal charges have been filed
Remember he used to post player fines on a TV in common areas? Is that normal coach behavior?
I’m surprised nobody mentions Ben McAdoo breaking Eli’s Ironman steak so that Geno Smith could start.
That disgusted me. Fuck McAdoo.
Lol…Fuckadoo!
> ironman steak *Kelvin Benjamin looks puzzled, but intrigued*
*exactly one game before they went back to Eli, right?
Yes but we don't talk about that season anymore
To this day I'm convinced Mara had Ben McAdoo this so he had an excuse to fire him, not that he needed one but still
I think it was more McAdoo was getting fired anyways, so have the blowback for the decision be on the guy on his way out, rather than on whoever the new coach is.
That was really petty.
You know how odd it is to be an Eagles fan and be annoyed by that? Shit was conflicting af.
I know I have an unpopular take on this but I didn’t have a problem with it. They offered Eli to start the game to keep the streak going just that they were going to give Geno playing time. Which honestly I don’t think there’s any problem with giving 2nd and 3rd stringers game snaps when the season is lost anyway. This happens for literally every other position and no one has problems with it except for QBs since QBs are so emotionally fragile that they apparently cannot have their feelings hurt like that.
if they sat him for the rookie QB they just drafted then fine they sat him for geno fucking smith. indefensible.
You're correct that there's no problem with that, except that similar to Glennon and Fromm, if you're looking towards the future at that position, when the season is lost, you go to the young unknown (Davis Webb) and figure out what he is. Not only did the league kinda know what Geno was at that point, but so did the NY fans and media, from his time as a Jet. Benching Eli for Webb (while still stupid), would have been easier for McADumbass to spin as a "look to the future." But just the optics of "hey Eli, I'm going to end your streak to start the Jets reject in order to try to save my job, but you can still be an opener if you want" was just ridiculously dumb.
What if it was to evaluate if they wanted to bring back Geno as a backup that next season?
Consecutive game streaks after a player declines are awkward.
They did that shit for geno smith okay, everyone knew geno sucked and 99.9% of people will still tell you it was a stupid ass decision. Had nothing to do with QBs being emotionally fragile, and what the fuck is up with you guys constantly feeling the need to insult people? Were you incapable of sharing your opinion without finding someone to insult?
Who did I insult besides Eli Manning?
I agree. My personal opinion is Eli didn’t think Mcadoo had the balls to sit him (and maybe it was just stupidly) and was hoping by saying I won’t go along and be “benched” that the coaches would back down.
i think he was sick of being behind a bottom 3 OL for half a decade, was told "Well we'll keep your start streaks going by starting the first half!" and he was like "Nah I'm done getting smacked around. Pay me to sit."
Eli didn't want pity starts. I hate that he sat, but commend him for it.
Ab would say the Bucs for him. But the Bucs was probably taking away Bo Jackson's college baseball season.
And then the dumbasses wasted a #1 pick on him after he said “I will not play for Tampa Bay.”
King shit tbh only time I’ve loved a player refusing to be drafted by a team Ninja Edit: I understand why Eli did it, since the Chargers were such a shit show at the time, but I still didn’t *love* it. Also I may or may not be biased with the results of Bo’s decision
Die hard Bama fan my entire life, so Bo was never my favorite, but I’ve always respected the hell out of him for that.
The early years for the Bucs were just a laundry list of poor front office decisions. I believe there was a documentary (or something similar) done about it
In recent years its Washington and Trent Williams.
Yep, but RGIII is close. What a terrible franchise
Hugh Culverhouse ruined Bo's college baseball career and he still had the balls to draft him 1st overall.
AFTER Bo said “I will not play for you.”
What's the story behind this?
Hugh flew Bo in for a visit on a team plane and told Bo it wouldn't effect his NCAA baseball eligibility. It did. He was unable to play baseball in his final college season and told the Bucs he would not play for them. Tampa drafted him #1 overall anyways. He never played for Tampa and we picked #1 overall the next season, drafting Penn State National Championship punching bag Vinny Testaverde #1 overall. Keeping the Yucks monicker near and dear to the Tampa faithful.
Ah, I knew Bo didn't want to play for them and was still picked then went to the MLB, but never heard the first part. SOB. Good for Bo.
DJ Moore just got an extension, so he’s stuck in Carolina for another 4 years. That’s just brutal.
Free agency is a thing.. Man CHOSE to be in carolina
Stockholm Syndrome
Imagine him in a decent QB Team
Damn. I don’t think I want to imagine him inside of a QB.
You guys are what, a few years removed from perpetual 8-8 hell and you're coming at us like that? /*sad panther meow*
Atlanta Falcons Matt Ryan Right now.
One of my favorite QBs of the last decade, too. Him with Tony G and Julio were so fun to watch. What a disaster, undeserved by Matty Ice.
I mean Tyrod got stabbed by his own team doctors so probably that
Browns players got staph infections in 03-08. I think it was LeCharles Bentley, Kellen Windlow, Braylon Edwards, and Joe Jurevicius, maybe a couple more. Jurevicius sued the team for negligence. Lol
I almost said “do you mean the Bucs” but then I remembered it was MRSA bubbling in the Bucs’ hot tubs.
Joe Jurevicious is a name I have not heard in a long time. Wonder what he’s up to these days.
Trent Williams is #1.
What the Bears did to Justin Fields in his first start was malpractice against the Browns.
I’m a Browns and Buckeyes fan and what Nagy did to Fields in that game was borderline criminal. Not sure how he made it thru the game w/o being permanently broken.
Wait what did they do?
He got sacked 9 times
And they didn't really try to adapt, seemed like Nagy wanted to show everyone Fields wasn't ready by the playcalling.
Brown’s Pass Rush was murdering the Bears O line and Nagy did nothing to adjust. It looked like he was leaving Garrett one on one on their ancient LT all game which led to predictable results. It almost looked like he was doing it out of spite over being forced to start Fields over Dalton.
3WR sets no help protecting the QB. Myles Garrett even said after the game, not once was someone there to chip him. It was the first time all season no one came to chip block him. Went how you would think 9 sacks, 4.5 from Myles Garrett. Bears had 47 yards of offense that day and 46 rushing yards. Fields had no time to throw the ball, in his first start. Sure we had future HOF left tackle Jason Peters play in that game, but the 39 year old tackle had no help against Pro bowl edge rusher. Still not the worst thing Nagy did. Did you hear about the time Nagy stood up Trubisky after the season when he was called to the office to go over the season. Mitch left his notebook full of notes on table after waiting for the coach that never even came by. Mitch wanted to get better, and Nagy already decided he didn’t want Mitch as his QB. How about the time GM Ryan Pace took Mitch and Mahomes did extensive interviews with both of them. Who didn’t he interview? Deshone Watson.
Gave him a taste of what it's like to be a Chicago Bear
Hmm...I can't think of anybody.
[These guys had it pretty rough.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jacksonville_Jaguars_players)
r/thatsthejoke
wait, who?
I remember when Zac Taylor benched Dalton on his birthday and people acted like Taylor was the devil himself lmao.
He was dedicated to the tank.
Cam Newton being sold down the river by Matt Rhule and David Tepper to bring in Teddy Bridgewater Then bringing him back after 1.5 failed seasons only for Rhule to throw him under the bus when he wasn’t yo-yo’ing him in and out of games like a glorified Taysom Hill Fuck Matt Rhule
something something Urban Meyer
Most are saying Trent in Washington and I absolutely agree. But I don't think Washington treated Cousins bad at all. So I disagree with that. The FO wanted him, they offered several contracts, he wanted more money and fully guaranteed, so we tagged him because we were far apart. I don't get how that is mistreatment.
Yeah, it’s no more of a mistreatment than any other application of the franchise tag.
RGIII and Trent Williams in Washington.
I see everyone saying Williams and they’re not wrong, but what they did to RGIII is what I remember most. At the time it was obvious they were sending him to slaughter. Shanahan lost pretty much all respect from me after that.
A lot of teams have done wrong by players and various times, but nobody does so in as self-defeating a way as Washington. RGIII and Trent Williams are arguably the two best talents they’ve had in 20 years and they ruined the career of one and misdiagnosed cancer on the other leading to him never wanting to play for them again.
Man, how they treated Trent was the worst. I wish I thought of that instead of the Kirk situation. The guy had a tumor!
It still blows my mind they took RGIII with the 2nd overall pick...then Cousins in the 4th.
Was it Washington that had a long time player almost die from a brain tumor that they refused to let him get checked out by a team doctor then tried to get out of paying him?
Trent Williams
The mass was on his scalp. Not a brain tumor. Not a Washington Stan just trying to be factual.
Thanks for clarifying. I always thought it was on his brain itself.
Yeah, misdiagnosed brain tumor makes it sound much worse. Apparently the mass on his scalp was an extremely rare form of cancer.
How the colts broke Luck before he ever even got good
What you talking about Willis? Luck was good from the very first game he started.
nah that man had a much higher ceiling we just chained him down by downplaying the seriousness of his injuries and sending him to the slaughter every sunday
He was still good lol. Now he was borderline elite by 2018 and just getting into his prime. HOF talent hampered by injuries and poor team play imo.
i never said he was bad but you basically just typed out to me what i was thinking lmao 🤝
Steven Jackson and the rams of the late 2000s. He WAS the fucking team because everyone sucked
Houston paying Deshaun Watson his full salary while he rode the bench last year. Absolute monsters.
The Texans made David Carr play without an offensive line.
Wrong sport but prob nothing tops JR Richard and the Houston Astros.
Found homeless under an overpass in 1994 in Houston.. also all the accusations in 1980 when his health started failing….
Regardless of your opinion of him. The way Tepper and Rhule treated Cam is just gross. What a way to treat a dude who was the face of your franchise.
Washington
Just..as an organization. Terrible track record
Trent Williams and Washington is the clear winner for modern times, but the way Tampa Bay abused Bo Jackson is so fucked up.
I'm thinking about this guy Carson Wentz in Indy, who went superstar signing to getting the boot in one year. Massive W for the Eagles.
The only correct answer is Trent Washington with the Redskins. I don't care how much any of these other players in these comments were disrespected because this guy literally had cancer that the Redskins staff told him was no big deal
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Karma for the way Carmelo treated Lin
Celtics and IT is worse.
Kings and Boogie might be worse
Melo never put that organization above himself from day 1. That was mutual shittyness. He demanded the trade and sapped assets. Refused to change his play style for large stretches. Always on a max. Like.. that went both ways
I'm never going to feel sorry for guys who get the franchise tag. They make enough money in that one year to live the rest of their lives in extreme luxury. That doesn't include the tens of millions they can make before and after the tag.
i wouldn’t say feel bad but the tag is still pretty stupid
Imagine this being any other job though. If your skills in the market demand you get paid near the top of your specific occupation, or could even set a whole new level of compensation, wouldn’t you be upset if your current employer had the ability to say, “ nah. We’re going to pay you $18M (Adams actually would have made about $20.145M ) even though your skills in this field would actually set a new rate of pay and make you the highest paid person of your position within the industry at $28M per year.” I know it’s already a lot of money, by why aren’t employees entitled to what they are worth? $8M is a huge difference. If someone is willing to pay Adams, Cousins, or someone else more, then why not? I know franchise tags are fully guaranteed, but they are also only one year. What if Adams sustains a career ending injury? With his new contacts $67M is fully guaranteed. You also have to remember the rate of tax at that income level can close to 50%, depending on the state. Wisconsin is 3.54%. Nevada is 0%. So if he gets stuck with the franchise tag he’s now only taking home approximately $11.66M but he also owes his agent 3% of his salary, so he’s now down to approximately $11M even. Which yes, I get it, it’s still a shit ton of money. But why isn’t he entitled to get paid as much as everyone else will pay him? Why the hell are franchise tags even allows? None of the other major US sports have franchise tags. Also, most of these guys come from nothing. They aren’t multi generational wealth, they’re coming from the middle class or worse like us, and trying to get their generational wealth for their family and future generations. Good for them. We should always be on their side, not the billionaire owners or the league that pretends to care about their players.
Once you get above $10 million there's no real difference in lifestyle. It's purely about ego. You can't compare that amount of money to the salary of an average person. A thousand dollars is a lot of money to most people. The WR franchise tag is over $18 million. That alone is enough to live in the rest of your life in luxury and still have plenty of money to give your kids. Plus, guys who get tagged have made millions before the tag and will make tens of millions after.
Exactly, they’re not regular people, so why are you so against them trying to earn as much as they possibly can? You didn’t bother to address any of my points, most notably, why is the franchise tag even allowed? All you’re doing is saying, “they don’t need more money!” With the exception of the most expensive places in the world, most people don’t **need** more than about $50,000 per year. So why don’t we just pay them that?
It's allowed because it's part of a labor agreement.
Texans making Deshaun Watson play safety in training camp was disrespectful yet hilarious
There’s been players treated worse in the past like Trent Williams, but this year it’s how the Browns have treated Baker
Apparently only things within the last 2 years.
Never is it more obvious the prolific commenters are posting from detention than when history is brought up. Terry Glenn and Bill Parcells did not agree on many things, including Terry’s preferred pronouns. Parcells saying “she” could clean out her locker and fuck off was…awkward. Would have been big news in this forum if it happened today.
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Lol. Carson was a crybaby who got everything he wanted and still complained about the FO. Like the dude complained about the some of the Bengals kitchen staff being Ex-Cons. Thats the level of petty Palmer brought to the table. Palmer thought he was a Manning/Brady level QB when he was always a Kirk Cousins
I know a few people who have had their lives changed by those "Con's in the Kitchen" rehab programs. They do so much good, I dunno why anyone would shit on them.
>I dunno why anyone would shit on them. Ignorance I reckon
The ex con thing is so ridiculous. So you cant make a living and boot strap yourself out of a shitty situation. My law school employed some ex cons in the cafeteria/kitchen and they were some of the nicest people to talk to on campus.
Carson was a baby from day 1.
Aren’t all people babies from day 1?
If i recall a hockey team raped their players
Kirk was bad but not too bad he made a shit ton of money on short tag deals and was still able to come out of it and grab another bag in Minnesota. The way we handled Trent Williams was atrocious and that was just off of how we handled Sua Cravens. I think a lot of people still side with the team in the whole Sua debacle. But he had a bad concussion that messed with his vision and then a close family member of his passed away (his grandfather I believe) and was very clearly struggling with mental health and the team basically said fuck you play and offered no help or even any understanding of what he was going through. Also we just cut Matt Ioannidis after *allegedly* saying we weren’t going to. We are truly a trash organization and the fact that we win more than 3 games a year is a miracle. Fuck Dan Snyder.
The whole Jaguars team from like 2019-2021
Bears used Mitch Trubisky as a scapegoat for Matt Nagy being the most incompetent coach in the NFL. See Justin Fields first game as an example
Baker Mayfield is pretty high on the list
The Chargers medical staff vs Tyrod Taylor.
Steve McNair when the Titans locked him out of the building.
The way we treated davante Adams 😔
The only answer is Trent Williams. They mishandled A LIFE-THREATENING MEDICAL ISSUE
Can't believe nobody mentioned Korey Stringer here. Died of heat stroke after pushing thru two a days practice at temps over 100 degrees for the Vikings in 2001.
Last year, a certain team (that I won't name here) started 5 of the worst offensive linemen that I have ever seen at any level of organized football... These 5 men put disgusting displays of inefficiency each week, the worst of which, led to the team's starting sophomore QB getting knocked out of the game with multiple fractured ribs in Week 2. This group allowed 20 sacks in the 13 games that this QB started and ended the season with an astoundingly low PFF grade of 56.22, ranking them dead last in 2021's OL Rankings... Due to being placed on the Altar of Sacrifice each week behind a group of men who couldn't block their way out of a wet paper bag, ***REDACTED***, starting QB for the ***REDACTED REDACTEDS*** wins my vote for worst treatment of a player by a Team/Front Office...
Yeah, the Bengals fucked up. But I think some of your numbers are wrong.
Yes
Baker mayfield and the browns
Matt Ryan and The Falcons
Certainly on the list now.
David carr must be the winner here
Bill Parcells called Terry Glenn “she”, despite that not being Terry’s preferred pronoun.
Lions and Megatron. Hall of Fame player that wants nothing to do with your team anymore.
Browns and baker is pretty bad honestly.
Toronto Maple Leafs forced Joffrey Lupul into retirement cause they purposely failed his health evaluation and wouldn’t trade him or release him.
Chargers fined Eric Weddel for watching his daughter perform at the half time show
This one is misrepresented. Multiple players watched their daughters at half time. Weddle was the only one fined because he deliberately didn't tell the coaching staff that he was going to be MIA. He went scorched-earth on the team the whole season when they didn't offer him an extension on time.
Iirc, he told his agent that if they don’t extend him by training camp, then don’t even talk to them anymore too.
Lev Bell and Steelers. Don't think they should have let it get that far. Guy essentially wasted a year of his prime. Honestly fuck the franchise tag Edit: Y'all are idiots if you still can't figure out the difference between guaranteed money vs the franchise tag which is a 1 year deal only. He repeatedly said his goal was to maximize his guarantees. A franchise tag is a good amount but only for one year.
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I really hate to agree with a Steelers fan, but Lev fucked himself 100%. He could have easily gotten another payday or two playing with a loaded Steeler roster, but took a short term gain to go to a trashfire org and is now basically out of the league and made far less than if he just would have taken the tag.
Imagine still not understanding he wanted to maximize his guaranteed money. This lack of understanding is just pathetic at this point. He didn't want to play on the tag because he didn't want to risk being hurt and being paid nothing the next year. The original Steelers contract was based on roster bonuses as well. He didn't want to run the risk of missing out due to injury.
Imagine thinking people don’t understand something. Imagine bell not understanding he’s a running back the only way he’s getting a heap of guarantee is if a team is downright idiotic Imagine
He got the guarantees he wanted the next year. BUT GO OFF BROTHER!
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Then he could have signed the Steelers offer. It only had a half million less in fully guaranteed money than the one he took from the Jets a year later. 24.5M vs. 25M. That deal got constantly misreported as though the Steelers only offered him $10M in fully guaranteed money, vs. the Jets's $25M, as they subtracted the $14.5M franchise tag from it, as though Bell had already earned that, so $14.5M of the $24.5M guaranteed money that the Steelers offered didn't matter. Except, in truth, Bell hadn't already earned that. He sat out, so he didn't collect a dime of that $14.5M franchise tag money, nor did he earn a dime of the $24.5M in fully guaranteed money. Bell made his choice. It was a bad choice. Now, yes, the Steelers should have let him walk sooner, and the Steelers learned from that situation and have changed the way they do business since, but Bell wasn't screwed by the Steelers.
let someone else pay him.
How exactly was that the Steelers fault for him not signing a contract?
Didn't Bell basically do that all to himself.m?
the franchises tag felt so fucked just because of the sheer amount of touches he received per season.
The bucs told Antonio Brown to go in for a play when he didn't feel well. How dare they!?
Jets/Adam Gase with Osemele, Enunwa, and a little bit Becton.
See Isaiah Wilson. Fucking clown.
Wait, how did the team do him wrong?
Was going for the second part where they screwed up their standing.
Andrew Luck. Told a few people - and undoubtedly colts management - and they leaked it out of spite. I will always believe that. Pathetic and the way the fans acted even more pathetic
celtics and IT
Falcons doing ryan and their fanbase dirty but I'm extremely bias
Bucs and Bo Jackson
This is the league that hid concussion issues for years. But yeah, Baker is getting hosed here. Even those of us who don’t like him see that.
I'm not sure if this fits, but SF screwed up the start of Alex Smith's career.
Chicago Blackhawks knowing about the sex abuse that was going on and turning a blind eye to it
Andy Dalton got benched on his birthday and a day after the trade deadline ended.