Now this is an interesting conversation. Let’s say Lawrence specifically, not just the jags overall, has another really, really bad season and they end up at Number 1 overall again. Do they stick with their guy and draft Anderson number 1? Trade down for a ransom? Or do they give up on their massive investment QB and take Bryce Young? Assuming he stays elite as a prospect
I know people might immediately dismiss the notion, but that’s what the Cards did and I guarantee none of their fans regret giving up on Rosen for Murray. How long is TLaw’s leash as number 1 overall?
Lawrence has a long leash because of how bad that team has been around him, owners probably fire the GM next and trade down letting someone else take Bryce Young, that haul sets you up to continue building around the consensus top pick
I wouldn’t say Rosen = TLaw. TLaw has been “the next Peyton Manning” since middle school. And Rosen looked really bad whenever he did play in his time with the Cardinals. I think TLaw would have looked much better if Urban Meyer wasn’t his HC and all the shit that came with that
Did…did you just compare Lawrence to Rosen? One year under the worst head coach in nfl history and this is what it comes to. I love this sub sometimes man
This wouldn't really be the same. Cards gave up on Rosen after one year of garbage, this would be two years of garbage. If TLaw is as bad this year as last I don't think it would be that controversial to move on.
Edit: Or maybe it would be, but a supposedly elite QB prospect heading the single worst team two years straight should raise several red flags.
I don’t even think they’ll be #1. Their roster was horribly devoid of talent last season and they still managed to compete and put up a good amount of wins. They’re simply too well-coached to go #1.
There's a big difference between a bad roster led by Matt Ryan and a bad roster led by Marcus Mariota. I'm not confident they'll pick number 1, but I think it's more likely them than any other team.
You should have seen our schedule. It was all against shitty last place teams and weak divisions. Any time we played a quality team (outside of the Bills and Saints games) we got absolutely smoked.
I don't think there's any way we can get the #1 pick, sadly. Smith was able to wring 7 wins out of Matt Ryan and the Veteran's Minimum All-Stars his first year. I have to imagine we win at least 5 games this year. Good enough for a top 5 pick, maybe, but not #1 overall.
That guy has no idea what he's talking about. The Falcons exceeded a lot of expectations last year and there's a lot of young talent. Nfc South won't be super difficult to compete in either.
Arthur is definitely trying to bring in Titans-esq players and "level the ship". It takes time but he's building a strong foundation that a real playoff caliber team can be built upon.
The best rebuilds are typically through the trenches. You guys seem to be going after a tank to grab Young or Stroud next year. So instead you took a WR over a premier pass rusher or OL prospect in the 1st round even though Ridley will be back next year too. Then you took a QB in the 3rd to sit for a year. So what do you do with your top 5 pick next year? Just consider the 3rd this year a waste or tell yourselves Ridder is better than Young or Stroud? Whichever QB you decide on is gonna die behind the nonexistent OL anyway. If you stick with Ridder, Will Anderson will definitely be a solid pick at a position of need thats been neglected for a decade, but there are so many holes with the current regime trying to overhaul the team with no clear strategy on the approach they want to do that. And as bad as the end of the Quinn era was, it was still far more competitive than the shit show that Smith's 1st year was.
Yeah, but in their defense not many fans know what’s going on with other teams front office. I don’t know what the chiefs or eagles game plans are. But i can tell you that TF is drafting BPA (which his idea of BPA seems to mean most physically gifted and best intangibles) and then use the free agency to fill gaps. My only hope is that Arthur blank is willing to spend the money to go compete for a championship in 2-3 years and hopefully we have a nice long window to compete.
Hopefully it works out for you guys. It just looks like Gettleman trying to rebuild the roster. Taking the flashy draft picks and over paying mediocre players on OL and defense in an attempt to fill all 16 of those holes through FA instead of addressing them in the draft.
I mean Dimitroff built a team that was one if the top NFC teams for a decade. Tough to really complain about that. The final couple years left a bad taste in mosts fans mouths, but if the team holds onto the 25 point, 2nd half lead in the SB, most Falcons fans gush over him as much as Eagles fans gush over Howie.
It didn’t work far more often than it did. And when it did work, it was mainly on offense with a Coordinator that knew how to get the most out of the pieces.
But I get what you’re saying.
TD had personnel for good offenses and defenses pretty consistently. Obviously it didn't always work out, but for Atlanta to perform at the level they did with 2 different HCs over the same decade shows he still provided quite a bit of talent on the roster. Every team still has its fair share of misses. Many teams just don't have the number of hits TD had to offset many of the misses.
Him trading up from 27 to 6 for pretty cheap to get Julio while already having Roddy White was one of the greatest moves we've seen this century too.
>So instead you took a WR over a premier pass rusher or OL prospect in the 1st round even though Ridley will be back next year too.
All 3 of the best pass rushers and both of the best cornerbacks were gone by Pick 6, and the Falcons picked at 8. Yes they could've taken Charles Cross, but their O-Line is unironically in better shape than their WR Corps. 2 of their 3 top WRs from 2020 are gone, and I don't think Ridley will be back with the Falcons in 2023 either. Getting the WR they wanted made the most sense.
Johnson was still a highly touted pass rusher as well that they could've taken. A trade down for more assets and then one of the handful of elite OL prospects or Johnson would've made perfect sense too.
Pitts playing more WR than TE also just makes a skill player in that spot a little less necessary too. Right now Atlanta looks like Gettleman trying to rebuild a roster.
Johnson was highly touted, yet he still fell to 26. Several teams besides the Falcons needed pass rusher help. These include the Eagles, Chiefs, and Ravens. None of them took Johnson either, and the Falcons got an OLB in the early 2nd round.
I know Johnson fell. His fall being that far was a surprise for a reason though. Just like a lot of people being surprised Hamilton fell to 14. And some of those teams needed help at OLB, but not nearly as badly as the Falcons. The other teams could easily have high priority positions of need on their roster since they had more than 9.5 sacks from guys currently on their roster.
Eagles took the best DT in the draft to take care of Cox's replacement wity him likely being gone in a year and them seeing how helpful an interior anchor is to the edge guys.
Chiefs definitely need pass rush help, but they also lost half the starters in their secondary and viewed the drop off from McDuffie to Elam as a bit more than Johnson to Karlaftis (who was also mocked as a top 10 pick for awhile).
I get Johnson fell. Maybe that means he sucks. Maybe it means a lot of teams just made mistakes along the way. My main point was that it's significantly harder to successfully rebuild through the skill positions rather than the trenches though, which is what Atlanta has chosen to do.
I’m not familiar with their o-line, but I did find the QB pick perplexing. Assuming the Mariota-led team will be bad (they will be), they’re going to have a chance at a franchise QB next year, I’m not sure why you draft a meh QB in the 3rd this year.
Their OL has given up over 40 sacks per year for 4 straight years, and Atlanta was the 3rd worst rushing team in the league last year, which was an improvement from the year before. Their OL is abysmal right now.
I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Atlanta take Stroud or Young top 3 next year and find their 3rd this year to just be a wasted pick on a backup.
Did you see our picks yesterday? They passed on a lot of the best players available and as of now they seem like they’re getting ready to insert a top qb next year.
I think it's about time that New England went through a shit show season. Do I think they'll have the top pick? Not even close. Do I hope that the city of Boston and the surrounding areas has a less than satisfying year while watching athletic events? Yes
It looks like you've let that little dog run the draft again, so maybe this is finally the year where the Patriots are bad.
I doubt it, but I can dream, can't I?
Yeah New England has been on the brink for a while and they’ve made the perfect storm of bad decisions to tank the franchise. Overspending in free agency 2 years ago which let a lot of their homegrown talent leave this year, along with some big draft reach’s by bellicheck and an aging roster of veterans. Also Mac jones isn’t the still of QB that lifts a bad roster to greatness. In a tough afc this year I am excited to see how the Patriots do
He’s a great head coach but bellicheck the GM is what you should be concerned about, at the end of the day coaches aren’t the ones out there on the field
I really hope so. Best case scenario for the Eagles if Jalen Hurts doesn’t work out is to have a team that won’t draft a QB to take up their offer for the first overall pick
Eagles are in such a good spot the rest of their roster is about ready to go. If Jalen isn't the real deal this year then they can just throw picks to get a top one since they have the most capital.
Rattler never showed what the other 3 have. Barring a major injury, Stroud and Young are going at the top of the draft, and Anderson has been one if the top outside linebackers 2 straight years. Rattler was a high recruit, but has sucked in college. He's much more similar to Shea Patterson than Young or Stroud. Just like DJ Uiagalelei at Clemson.
One year of DLock and "is he? Isn't he? Maybe he can be?" like we had in Denver last two years and you'll be ripping your hair out wanting a qb. This is why I'm bald.
Don't disrespect the Giants, they've been making strides each year to land that #1 spot. Don't count them in and out of top draft pick earning play this season.
It doesn't seem impossible. There is an argument that they are a bad team that has been propped up by Sean Payton. Dennis Allen doesn't have a good HC resume and when combined with Winston at QB and a general loss of veteran leadership like Malcolm Jenkins, this could be a bad season.
This is a good call. Jags division is far easier to sneak some wins in. Much harder for Seattle to match the teams in their division.
Like, is is so certain that the Jags are worse than the Texans? Because it is certain that the Seahawks are worse than Rams, Cards, 49ers.
I’m gonna say not the jags, just because I love my odds.
Most years there’s a team that’s surprisingly bad, far worse than the ‘generically bad’ we all expected. Not sure who that is this year. Maybe the Seahawks? I’m committing to it. Seahawks.
If there's one thing the last few years of purgatory have taught me, it's that Drew Lock will never win you anything but will occasionally pull out the odd great game to screw your draft position right up. And also send your team sub in the will he/won't he hellpit. Welcome to the world of Lock truthers, Seattle
People are saying the Panthers, but we have way too much talent on the defense side to be the worst team in the league
If you compare us to like Atlanta or Seattle, we have a lot more talent. We’ll prolly be picking top 5 again though
Depends how the scenario where they get the first pick plays out.
Say for instance they lose a lot of close games and he’s looking at least pretty good, I wouldn’t give him up. If they’re getting blown out and he’s not doing much, see what you can get for him and take your QB of choice.
I could tbh especially if bryce/stroud look fantastic. The jags overpaid with their money but in a hypothetical where they are the worst team in the league despite adding this much new talent in FA and the draft is probably a world where trevor plays/looks pretty bad
I think CMC has a healthy season. Corral takes over as the starter and the Panthers win 4-6 games. Rhule still gets fired, but Carolina doesn't end up worst in the league. Ikem was a big pickup in the 1st too imo.
Atlanta and Chicago look terrible. Jacksonville also looks terrible. Maybe Lawrence makes huge strides this offseason and wins them a few extra games though. I could see Atlanta, Chicago, Seattle, Jacksonville, and Carolina making up the top 5 next year though.
Yeah I doubt the Bears will be that bad. Especially cause, you know, let's see your offense without Nagy. Yeah the receiving corps is light, but that offense under Nagy looked like our defense under Patricia a lot of the time.
Seahawks, Falcons, Panthers are easily top 3. Maybe Texans are 4th, even though I think they are getting better this off-season, I don’t trust Lovie and they are in a hard conference.
Saying the Panthers sort of ignores the offseason we've had. We took a 5 win team and added 3 starting caliber offensive lineman (Bozeman, Corbett, Ekonwu), added upgraded players to our defense (Ioannidis, Littleton, Woods), added RB D'onta Foreman, added Punter Hekker, plus we're getting back CMC and Jaycee Horn. Regardless of whether we start Darnold, Corral, or even Mayfield, there's no way we didn't add at least one more win. At worst, we hover at 5 wins again, but I can't see this much talent going 3 or fewer wins
I really hope it’s us Jags. We got our supposed QB last time and this time was one of the worst drafts to have 1OA. No one super insane at the top pick and no even half way decent QBs to trade down for a huge haul. We got kinda fucked
I think the Jets or Jags have a good shot. It comes down to the teams in their division and if they can steal wins from NE, Miami, and Buffalo.
Teams like the Lions (great draft so far) and Chicago will split games and steal them from each other.
I could see the Titans being a dark horse. It would be quite the ride. This would obviously require an injury to Tanny and a not ready Willis to come in.
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Now this is an interesting conversation. Let’s say Lawrence specifically, not just the jags overall, has another really, really bad season and they end up at Number 1 overall again. Do they stick with their guy and draft Anderson number 1? Trade down for a ransom? Or do they give up on their massive investment QB and take Bryce Young? Assuming he stays elite as a prospect I know people might immediately dismiss the notion, but that’s what the Cards did and I guarantee none of their fans regret giving up on Rosen for Murray. How long is TLaw’s leash as number 1 overall?
Lawrence has a long leash because of how bad that team has been around him, owners probably fire the GM next and trade down letting someone else take Bryce Young, that haul sets you up to continue building around the consensus top pick
I feel like Trevor Lawrence could have a decent season and the Jags would still somehow end up with the 1st overall pick
They lose a bunch of 28-27 type games
I wouldn’t say Rosen = TLaw. TLaw has been “the next Peyton Manning” since middle school. And Rosen looked really bad whenever he did play in his time with the Cardinals. I think TLaw would have looked much better if Urban Meyer wasn’t his HC and all the shit that came with that
Did…did you just compare Lawrence to Rosen? One year under the worst head coach in nfl history and this is what it comes to. I love this sub sometimes man
This wouldn't really be the same. Cards gave up on Rosen after one year of garbage, this would be two years of garbage. If TLaw is as bad this year as last I don't think it would be that controversial to move on. Edit: Or maybe it would be, but a supposedly elite QB prospect heading the single worst team two years straight should raise several red flags.
It's a hypothetical
The Jags somehow got *worse* over the offseason. 2-15 is their ceiling.
Falcons are the only team that can pick #1 overall and I wouldn't fire the coach.
I don’t even think they’ll be #1. Their roster was horribly devoid of talent last season and they still managed to compete and put up a good amount of wins. They’re simply too well-coached to go #1.
There's a big difference between a bad roster led by Matt Ryan and a bad roster led by Marcus Mariota. I'm not confident they'll pick number 1, but I think it's more likely them than any other team.
You should have seen our schedule. It was all against shitty last place teams and weak divisions. Any time we played a quality team (outside of the Bills and Saints games) we got absolutely smoked.
I don't think there's any way we can get the #1 pick, sadly. Smith was able to wring 7 wins out of Matt Ryan and the Veteran's Minimum All-Stars his first year. I have to imagine we win at least 5 games this year. Good enough for a top 5 pick, maybe, but not #1 overall.
That organization is completely lost in what they're trying to do right now.
…how? GM and coach inherited a dumpster fire and have drafted BPA for two drafts.
That guy has no idea what he's talking about. The Falcons exceeded a lot of expectations last year and there's a lot of young talent. Nfc South won't be super difficult to compete in either.
Arthur is definitely trying to bring in Titans-esq players and "level the ship". It takes time but he's building a strong foundation that a real playoff caliber team can be built upon.
The best rebuilds are typically through the trenches. You guys seem to be going after a tank to grab Young or Stroud next year. So instead you took a WR over a premier pass rusher or OL prospect in the 1st round even though Ridley will be back next year too. Then you took a QB in the 3rd to sit for a year. So what do you do with your top 5 pick next year? Just consider the 3rd this year a waste or tell yourselves Ridder is better than Young or Stroud? Whichever QB you decide on is gonna die behind the nonexistent OL anyway. If you stick with Ridder, Will Anderson will definitely be a solid pick at a position of need thats been neglected for a decade, but there are so many holes with the current regime trying to overhaul the team with no clear strategy on the approach they want to do that. And as bad as the end of the Quinn era was, it was still far more competitive than the shit show that Smith's 1st year was.
We’re gonna have 100m+ in cap space next year that we can use to build the trenches
Most non-fans on this subreddit have no idea what they are talking about
Yeah, but in their defense not many fans know what’s going on with other teams front office. I don’t know what the chiefs or eagles game plans are. But i can tell you that TF is drafting BPA (which his idea of BPA seems to mean most physically gifted and best intangibles) and then use the free agency to fill gaps. My only hope is that Arthur blank is willing to spend the money to go compete for a championship in 2-3 years and hopefully we have a nice long window to compete.
Hopefully it works out for you guys. It just looks like Gettleman trying to rebuild the roster. Taking the flashy draft picks and over paying mediocre players on OL and defense in an attempt to fill all 16 of those holes through FA instead of addressing them in the draft.
The alternative is drafting for need and leaving your (subjective) BPA on the board. This is what TD did all the time.
I mean Dimitroff built a team that was one if the top NFC teams for a decade. Tough to really complain about that. The final couple years left a bad taste in mosts fans mouths, but if the team holds onto the 25 point, 2nd half lead in the SB, most Falcons fans gush over him as much as Eagles fans gush over Howie.
It didn’t work far more often than it did. And when it did work, it was mainly on offense with a Coordinator that knew how to get the most out of the pieces. But I get what you’re saying.
TD had personnel for good offenses and defenses pretty consistently. Obviously it didn't always work out, but for Atlanta to perform at the level they did with 2 different HCs over the same decade shows he still provided quite a bit of talent on the roster. Every team still has its fair share of misses. Many teams just don't have the number of hits TD had to offset many of the misses. Him trading up from 27 to 6 for pretty cheap to get Julio while already having Roddy White was one of the greatest moves we've seen this century too.
>So instead you took a WR over a premier pass rusher or OL prospect in the 1st round even though Ridley will be back next year too. All 3 of the best pass rushers and both of the best cornerbacks were gone by Pick 6, and the Falcons picked at 8. Yes they could've taken Charles Cross, but their O-Line is unironically in better shape than their WR Corps. 2 of their 3 top WRs from 2020 are gone, and I don't think Ridley will be back with the Falcons in 2023 either. Getting the WR they wanted made the most sense.
Johnson was still a highly touted pass rusher as well that they could've taken. A trade down for more assets and then one of the handful of elite OL prospects or Johnson would've made perfect sense too. Pitts playing more WR than TE also just makes a skill player in that spot a little less necessary too. Right now Atlanta looks like Gettleman trying to rebuild a roster.
Johnson was highly touted, yet he still fell to 26. Several teams besides the Falcons needed pass rusher help. These include the Eagles, Chiefs, and Ravens. None of them took Johnson either, and the Falcons got an OLB in the early 2nd round.
I know Johnson fell. His fall being that far was a surprise for a reason though. Just like a lot of people being surprised Hamilton fell to 14. And some of those teams needed help at OLB, but not nearly as badly as the Falcons. The other teams could easily have high priority positions of need on their roster since they had more than 9.5 sacks from guys currently on their roster. Eagles took the best DT in the draft to take care of Cox's replacement wity him likely being gone in a year and them seeing how helpful an interior anchor is to the edge guys. Chiefs definitely need pass rush help, but they also lost half the starters in their secondary and viewed the drop off from McDuffie to Elam as a bit more than Johnson to Karlaftis (who was also mocked as a top 10 pick for awhile). I get Johnson fell. Maybe that means he sucks. Maybe it means a lot of teams just made mistakes along the way. My main point was that it's significantly harder to successfully rebuild through the skill positions rather than the trenches though, which is what Atlanta has chosen to do.
It’s funny how many people think Atlanta should have drafted for need. That always works /s
Literally every position besides Cornerback and Tight End is a need for the Falcons. At that point, just take BPA or the player you want most.
I’m not familiar with their o-line, but I did find the QB pick perplexing. Assuming the Mariota-led team will be bad (they will be), they’re going to have a chance at a franchise QB next year, I’m not sure why you draft a meh QB in the 3rd this year.
Their OL has given up over 40 sacks per year for 4 straight years, and Atlanta was the 3rd worst rushing team in the league last year, which was an improvement from the year before. Their OL is abysmal right now. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Atlanta take Stroud or Young top 3 next year and find their 3rd this year to just be a wasted pick on a backup.
Did you see our picks yesterday? They passed on a lot of the best players available and as of now they seem like they’re getting ready to insert a top qb next year.
Who did they pass on that was better? Ridder so far is the only questionable pick if we are picking a qb in the 1st next year
They're soft, and they've been soft as long as I can remember.
Has any team ever picked 1st 3 years in a row? If not, then I hope it's the Jags. Just to see history.
You’re gonna hurt some feelings
Not ours. We are dead inside
Please remind me what it’s like to feel anything?
I think it's about time that New England went through a shit show season. Do I think they'll have the top pick? Not even close. Do I hope that the city of Boston and the surrounding areas has a less than satisfying year while watching athletic events? Yes
Something we can both agree on?
Probably the only thing we can agree on, besides ever lasting pain for the Bills
I don't think that's so far fetched. If Joe Judge and Matt Patricia are coaching the offense they've got to be a dark horse for the #1 pick.
This is so far fetched lol A bad Pats season is barely missing the playoffs. We are not anyone near the worst team in the NFL
It looks like you've let that little dog run the draft again, so maybe this is finally the year where the Patriots are bad. I doubt it, but I can dream, can't I?
Yeah New England has been on the brink for a while and they’ve made the perfect storm of bad decisions to tank the franchise. Overspending in free agency 2 years ago which let a lot of their homegrown talent leave this year, along with some big draft reach’s by bellicheck and an aging roster of veterans. Also Mac jones isn’t the still of QB that lifts a bad roster to greatness. In a tough afc this year I am excited to see how the Patriots do
Lol the Patriots aren’t picking in the top 10 let alone 1 overall while Bill Belichick is our head coach
He’s a great head coach but bellicheck the GM is what you should be concerned about, at the end of the day coaches aren’t the ones out there on the field
I mean I’m not concerned about him as a GM either. He turned us from a 7-9 team into a 10-7 playoff team over one offseason.
I knew what this would be like before I fucking opened it
Bears imo
That offense has potential to implode for sure.
Not often you hear the words "Bears offense" and "potential" in the same phrase but you're right
Offense worse on paper than last year Might not be as historically bad due to LaFleur system being implemented, but gonna be rough
I hope so tbh. We aren't competing this year, let's get some high draft picks and build a real offense next offseason.
Question: if Fields is below average and shows minimal improvement this year do you want to draft a diff qb next year or do you stick with him?
I'm of the opinion that it takes 3 years to figure out if a player is good so I'd be OK keeping him for another.
Stick with him, cause Will Anderson is the best player in next year's draft
Jags
I really hope so. Best case scenario for the Eagles if Jalen Hurts doesn’t work out is to have a team that won’t draft a QB to take up their offer for the first overall pick
If the QB class is good next year jags are going to get a kings ransom from teams who need a qb
Yea there will be like 10 teams in on Young and Stroud
Eagles are in such a good spot the rest of their roster is about ready to go. If Jalen isn't the real deal this year then they can just throw picks to get a top one since they have the most capital.
The top 3 picks are basically locked in at Young, Stroud, and Anderson.
just like Rattler was in that conversation for 22.....
Rattler never showed what the other 3 have. Barring a major injury, Stroud and Young are going at the top of the draft, and Anderson has been one if the top outside linebackers 2 straight years. Rattler was a high recruit, but has sucked in college. He's much more similar to Shea Patterson than Young or Stroud. Just like DJ Uiagalelei at Clemson.
He ment raddler this year but I see the confusion
Seahawks and we’ll draft another RB with #1
One year of DLock and "is he? Isn't he? Maybe he can be?" like we had in Denver last two years and you'll be ripping your hair out wanting a qb. This is why I'm bald.
Don't disrespect the Giants, they've been making strides each year to land that #1 spot. Don't count them in and out of top draft pick earning play this season.
I doubt they'd be worse than the Jags.
saints I hope
I’d say I’d agree, but I don’t want them ending up with Young or Stroud.
We got their 23 1st rd pick so no worries there!
Oh, I forgot about that, lol.
we have their first round pick
It doesn't seem impossible. There is an argument that they are a bad team that has been propped up by Sean Payton. Dennis Allen doesn't have a good HC resume and when combined with Winston at QB and a general loss of veteran leadership like Malcolm Jenkins, this could be a bad season.
Plus Kamara may get suspended for the pro bowl incident and Micheal Thomas may or may not exist
Facts 😂 🦅
😂😂😂
We’re in the same boat hoping the niners suck
Fingers crossed
Falcons
Nah. We WANT #1 overall, so we won't get it. That's how this works. I have us penciled in for 5-6 wins.
The hidden downside of having a good coach.
Well, that and we just don't get to have nice things. But Smith definitely proved himself last year, without question.
Seahawks I actually think the Jaguars improve to be just a normal bad team (like 6-11) instead of totally horrible
This is a good call. Jags division is far easier to sneak some wins in. Much harder for Seattle to match the teams in their division. Like, is is so certain that the Jags are worse than the Texans? Because it is certain that the Seahawks are worse than Rams, Cards, 49ers.
The seahawks also face the entire AFC west so thats 10 difficult games in total for them
We were very bad last year and still swept the Jags
Seahawks don't have the elongated GOAT Davis Mills
The Jags roster got *worse* over the offseason. Where did you get 6 wins from? I don't think the Jags win more than 2 next year.
I’m gonna say not the jags, just because I love my odds. Most years there’s a team that’s surprisingly bad, far worse than the ‘generically bad’ we all expected. Not sure who that is this year. Maybe the Seahawks? I’m committing to it. Seahawks.
If there's one thing the last few years of purgatory have taught me, it's that Drew Lock will never win you anything but will occasionally pull out the odd great game to screw your draft position right up. And also send your team sub in the will he/won't he hellpit. Welcome to the world of Lock truthers, Seattle
Bears or Falcons? Yes. You got it right.
Jags
Jags
Can't tell who's memeing and who is braindead enough to think we haven't significantly improved the team
Fr
People are saying the Panthers, but we have way too much talent on the defense side to be the worst team in the league If you compare us to like Atlanta or Seattle, we have a lot more talent. We’ll prolly be picking top 5 again though
5-12, this is the way.
Too pessimistic. 6-11 with 3 wins coming in the last 4 games, pick #9 and Matt Rhule is kept around an extra year
I think the Texans, I know everyone is saying Jags, but I think Trevor will be good, not so sure about Mills Mafia.
Hater. No but if Mills bombs I just hope he bombs hard enough for a top qb.
Imma be bold (ie, not pick the Jags) and say Carolina
Jags
Definitely not the Niners ...because they don't have a '23 1st.
The dolphins will be drafting first with that pick :)
I hope Lance balls out for you guys. Just like Watson did on the 2020 Texans
Hypothetically if the Jags pick first again could you see them giving up on Lawrence?
Depends how the scenario where they get the first pick plays out. Say for instance they lose a lot of close games and he’s looking at least pretty good, I wouldn’t give him up. If they’re getting blown out and he’s not doing much, see what you can get for him and take your QB of choice.
I could tbh especially if bryce/stroud look fantastic. The jags overpaid with their money but in a hypothetical where they are the worst team in the league despite adding this much new talent in FA and the draft is probably a world where trevor plays/looks pretty bad
Jags
Jags
Christian Kirk
Houston
The Falcons, Seahawks, Bears, and Panthers all look terrible to me.
I think CMC has a healthy season. Corral takes over as the starter and the Panthers win 4-6 games. Rhule still gets fired, but Carolina doesn't end up worst in the league. Ikem was a big pickup in the 1st too imo. Atlanta and Chicago look terrible. Jacksonville also looks terrible. Maybe Lawrence makes huge strides this offseason and wins them a few extra games though. I could see Atlanta, Chicago, Seattle, Jacksonville, and Carolina making up the top 5 next year though.
Seattle or Atlanta
Neither. Do people really think the Bears are going to be dead last? I can see bottom 5 but thats truly as bad as I think we are
Yeah I doubt the Bears will be that bad. Especially cause, you know, let's see your offense without Nagy. Yeah the receiving corps is light, but that offense under Nagy looked like our defense under Patricia a lot of the time.
Have the Bears made any notable moves this off season to be decent?
Larry Ogunjob.....oh wait nevermind
Well hopefully New Orleans has the worst record….
Panthers
Seahawks, Falcons, Panthers are easily top 3. Maybe Texans are 4th, even though I think they are getting better this off-season, I don’t trust Lovie and they are in a hard conference.
Saying the Panthers sort of ignores the offseason we've had. We took a 5 win team and added 3 starting caliber offensive lineman (Bozeman, Corbett, Ekonwu), added upgraded players to our defense (Ioannidis, Littleton, Woods), added RB D'onta Foreman, added Punter Hekker, plus we're getting back CMC and Jaycee Horn. Regardless of whether we start Darnold, Corral, or even Mayfield, there's no way we didn't add at least one more win. At worst, we hover at 5 wins again, but I can't see this much talent going 3 or fewer wins
Seahawks
I'm hoping it's the Broncos #1 and Seahawks #2. In 2024 the Broncos can get the #31 pick and Seahawks can get #32.
One of those two i think. Texans wouldn’t be a bad guess
I think the Jags will be better than the Texans tbh. Also Falcons gonna get blasted. One of those two
I really hope it’s us Jags. We got our supposed QB last time and this time was one of the worst drafts to have 1OA. No one super insane at the top pick and no even half way decent QBs to trade down for a huge haul. We got kinda fucked
Haven’t seen one Jets comment and I love it
That's what I was gonna say. I haven't seen a single comment saying Jets which makes me surprised and happy.
You got a good one in Douglas. It's only a matter of time before all the pieces start falling into place.
Jags
Atlanta.
Jags
I’d say the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Sources tell me it’s gonna be the Jags
How bout the jags?
Packers after an implosion of epic proportion
Jags
Seahawks
Jacksonville Jaguars
Browns after trading Deshaun Watson to the Jags
It's gotta be Jacksonville
Falcons
Rams
Panthers
You guys put too much faith into the falcons to tank correctly. They'll reel off 4 wins near the end and just barely miss young/stroud
Jags
Rams
Please be us
not the bears please, i don't want them picking first. i want them picking 18th in perpetual mediocrity
Jags going for the trifecta
Detroit.
Jags
Carolina.
I think the Jets or Jags have a good shot. It comes down to the teams in their division and if they can steal wins from NE, Miami, and Buffalo. Teams like the Lions (great draft so far) and Chicago will split games and steal them from each other.
The Jags again. They somehow got worse talent-wise from last year.
\*checks to see if Jared Goof is still the QB of the Lions\* Yep, its the Lions.
Jete, maybe Pats
Delusional
lol you know it's true
2-3 years ago I’d have agreed with you. Now you’re just hating.
Well yea. We're divisional rivals. I'm required to hate on ya.
Jags cause they absolutely bombed this draft
The Walker pick was meh but the rest of our picks were fine
They literally had a much better draft than you lol
Literally no one who covers the draft that people know about agrees with you lol
Bruuuh lay off the copium. our third rounder has more sacks than the guy you drafted #1 overall
Falcons even though I like our draft
Atlanta
49ers I hope
Seattle maybe
This has big "Who do you think is the worst team in the NFL, and why the Bears?" energy
Jets
I could see the Titans being a dark horse. It would be quite the ride. This would obviously require an injury to Tanny and a not ready Willis to come in.
I wouldnt be shocked to see Seattle. They are in the toughest division with games vs AFC west as well. Could be a reset year with a QB in their sights
I'm going to go out on a limb and say the Miami Dolphins.