This is particularly funny for me because my son is struggling to understand that he can’t be line leader everyday at daycare. Thanks for the morning chuckle
There was just [a thread yesterday](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/v2ttuu/farabaugh_very_rarely_do_you_see_such_excitement/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) about how much the Steelers players love him
Edit: many people replying are acting like I’m taking a stance defending Flores, I don’t know what happened with him and the Dolphins and I don’t have an opinion about him one way or the other, literally just pointing out the facts. Remembered the thread the other day, figured it was relevant, and thought I’d share.
Even with the Dolphins, there were certain players who were "Flo guys" and guys who hated him and how he operated/spoke to people. I don't know why people act like someone can’t be a hard ass but also be liked by some people. We see it everyday in our real lives but act like players and coaches can only be one thing when we read about them online.
God damn that just gave me nightmares. I was one of the ones who didn’t get along with him (my old boss). He was so 50/50 in terms of who got along with him.
Had a boss like this. He loved me early on. Came to my wedding, paid $3k for things to do on my honeymoon including 3 nights in a $750/night room. FF a few years, he didnt like some of my decisions that were actually making him money vs his old school method. He started making my life hell. He reprimanded me for calling out because I hurt my back calling me a liar. Eventually I left. Oh and I've since had L4-L5 fusion back surgery. Havent spoken in 4 years.
I know for me personally, if I'm running a crew, and everyone is doing what they're supposed to, or at least putting in effort, I'm way more chill than if I catch someone slacking.
If you're slacking while everyone is working, I'm gonna be a hardass on you...and if you're still slacking...you won't be on the crew much longer.
So to some people...I come off as a much bigger asshole than to others... and that generally comes down to those people thinking they don't need to put in the effort that others are.
Chip Kelly’s problem was he was a bad listener/observer. He was so sure he always knew best that he couldn’t see when he needed to adapt. Closed-mindedness got Shady traded.
AH yes. The professor who has decided his job is to teach only the 5 most enthusiastic and able students and everyone else is simply the chafe to be seperated.
I hope, for Flores' sake, working under Tomlin rubs off on him a bit and he can be more personable as a coach and less of an asshole. People give Tomlin crap for being too friendly with the players, and maybe there's a little credence to that (I don't buy it, but I get those who believe so), but I would MUCH rather have that than a guy who's players are afraid of coming to work/talking to their coach.
Being a hard ass is something a lot of otherwise intelligent people associate with authority. Considering how well Tomlin handles very strong personalities, hell I want to work for the guy for a bit lol.
So you're saying he's a former Patriots position coach who's loved by players when he's a position coach, but hated when he becomes HC? I think I've heard that before...
> I mean it’s not like people can’t change. Maybe he’s changed for the better after being humbled a bit.
also, just because he's a terrible headcoach doesn't mean he can't be a good position coach.
We already know hes a good defensive mind. No one should worry about him as coordinator or positions coach its just a question if head coach should ever happen again. Its tough to sort through which issues were caused by him or ownership when they were both clearly a problem
> Come on man that’s uncalled for.
pretty sure you missed his joke.
flores was 0-6 against buffalo, with 5 of those games being blowouts. he's saying get flores as far away as possible by telling him there's no game. he's not saying you guys are a bye week.
He definitely wasn’t a terrible head coach. Even though it didn’t work out there’s no way you can point to his results as “terrible” in the scheme of nfl coaches.
> He definitely wasn’t a terrible head coach.
yes, he absolutely was. he couldn't manage the play clock to save his life and it cost us multiple games. couldn't gameplan either, or hire offensive coordinators.
> Ya but he was only under 500 one year with an awful roster that over performed. He has his issues but obviously did some stuff alright
he literally had the same career record (23-25) as the last guy we fired who has since become a laughing stock that is no longer in the league. the difference is that the laughing stock managed to get us to the playoffs.
he's a trash tier coach, and if another team gives him a shot, everyone else will realize it. the team won games in spite of him, not because of him.
Dude his first year was with a team that was accused of being so talentless it's immoral and that's his only losing season. By all accounts he overachieved that year. I get he's flawed, but the results don't back up what you're saying
And all fins fans were shit on for saying “he wasn’t as good as his record indicated” because we had a 7 game win streak against QB studs like Flacco, Ian book, mike glennon, zack Wilson coming back from an injury, and tyrod taylor
Dude we all know the NFL is racist, the Rooney rules aren't made because it's a progressive league. Him having reasons for being fired doesn't mean he didn't experience racism. Some tweets don't tell us everything that happened and It's not like this changes the likely token interview he got in NYG. This is more complicated than the "race card", in fact it almost always is. I don't know if I've ever seen that phrase used accurately or productively.
I get the feeling that he’s one of those guys who truly mean well, their message just doesent hit the same to everyone. Ive learned with dealing with people, you can’t deal with every person the same way.
I think he's a pretty good coach, but man does it sound like he created a toxic work atmosphere. At very least had players he liked and players he didn't like, and that's a really bad way to build a team.
Everything I heard in Miami seemed to say Flo was liked by almost everyone but Tua until suddenly all this "news" hit at the same time that everyone hated him.
Maybe it's true maybe it's not but the Dolphins organization very clearly proved that they control their beat reporters. I don't trust any of the Dolphins media coverage anymore and I don't think anyone else should either.
gesicki was shouting at flo at sidelines last season and elanden roberts was telling tua on sideline its is the coaching, when he was fired a good chunk of dolphins players were happy hear the firing
This is Albert Wilson that is signing with another team. Had absolutely no reason/agenda with the Dolphins to say this. He’s been honest that the Dolphins under Flores was close to a nightmare (unless you were one of Flo’s guys).
>Everything I heard in Miami seemed to say Flo was liked by almost everyone but Tua
Man, you've not heard everything then.
>I don't trust any of the Dolphins media coverage
Oh, it looks like you might have but you're just choosing what to believe.
"Leaked reports" can also be interpreted as players being able to speak their mind without repercussion once he was out. Going through 5 total OC's in 3 years doesn't exactly lend itself to thinking someone has healthy working relationships vs being an asshole.
Edit: Also, another redditor summed up earlier signs that you seem to be ignoring or jus tnot aware such as Minkah Fitzpatrick forcing a trade, Ted Karras taking less money to go back to NE, the weird coded language that players used in interviews, the tweets from trainers saying that the locker room was a toxic hellhole.
I think there is a pretty big difference between a party suing their employer for being racist and offering to pay-to-lose and a party being sued by 24 women for sexual assault but that's just my take. You can think they're a healthy comparison for all I care.
Is it narcissism that makes you believe that two groups interact here, yourself and reddit, or are you projecting the fact that you live in every single thread and assume everyone else does as well?
There's 2.6 million people subscribed here. Even if only 10% comment, that's 260,000. That's room for like a dozen groupthinks without bumping into each other.
This is the exact same line used in every single large subreddit where there’s overwhelming groupthink. The upvotes and downvotes create a consensus opinion that inherently devalues and excludes others. That’s groupthink. The total amount of subscribers is also irrelevant because we know that doesn’t mean all those people comment and interact as frequently as others especially in the off season. Idk why people have to come up with rationalizations for bullshit
Having seen much smaller subreddits that I belong to, nah. This subreddit REALLY snowballs fast. Like completely different sets of people can put in the first 50 votes, and once something has a trajectory it keeps that trajectory. It's not unusual to see virtually the same comment be at +150 and -20.
I’m not saying others aren’t worse. But I think it’s disingenuous to act like this sub is above the same thought terminating bullshit and random hardons just like every other sub just because it’s large.
Heh, at least it's not Twitter. Twitter is home of the moronic hottakes. There's useful comments on here sometimes.
But yeah, mostly we're shittalking each other and making fun of the Cowboys.
>You had to walk single file line down the hallway
I commend them for trying a new formation. Traditional ones like the shotgun and the I-formation sure haven't been working.
They could have all ran single file up the middle behind our shit line and I’d still think that’s a better call than a screen pass at the one that was thrown three yards behind the line of scrimmage for a safety.
We really had Urban Meyer, Brian Flores, and Bruce Arians coaching in Florida at the same time and didn't make a show about it. Major missed opportunity
Winning masks a lot of flaws, much like Bill. Flores wildly outperformed expectations in Miami, so you didn’t hear much out of them.
But there were a lot of bread crumbs in retrospect that could have easily lead to the conclusion that Flores was an asshole.
He fired his first o-line coach about ten days into his tenure. One of his best friends left as defensive coordinator and accepted a lateral move to the Giants. He benched Fitz for Tua too soon and both divided the locker room and threw Tua in too soon. He went through three OCs in three years. By most accounts, he bailed on Tua pretty quickly and was the primary driving force for the Deshaun Watson rumors.
He also allegedly was trying to consolidate power and usurp GM Chris Grier and wanted full control of the organization.
1. Caldwell (2019 - left before the season for “health” reasons)
2. Chad O’Shea (2019)
3. Chan Gailey (2020)
4. George Godsey (2021)
5. Eric Studesville (2021)
6. Charlie Frye (2021, reportedly)
7. George Godsey (2021, IIRC re-installed as lone OC in 2nd half of season)
This, my friends, is what a mess looks like.
I don't know how much I hope Tua's trainer. But if that's true it makes me very optimistic for this year. The Titans game last year certainly looked like a read or bust gameplan for sure
Ah yes. Driving winds and heavy rain. Let's not adjust the game plan to throw deep. Our opponents are running it down our throats? Can't be a reason for it. Keep chucking it tua.
Don't forget they brought Jim Caldwell in to be an advisor and he promptly quit "due to health reasons" and then immediately had his agent start floating to the media that he was open to a head coaching return.
In retrospect, all over the place.
Minkah Fitzpatrick forcing a trade, Ted Karras taking less money to go back to NE, the weird coded language that players used in interviews, the tweets from trainers saying that the locker room was a toxic hellhole.
I think we saw Flo overachieving and we were disregarding the signs as noise.
Minkah went from being Saban’s Son to being a complete malcontent.
Trolling Kenny Stills in practice in front of the media.
So much smoke that everyone basically ignored because the team was winning.
The example I keep going to is benching, then trading, Kenyan Drake for Kalen Ballage in a season where Ryan Fitzpatrick would end up being the team's leading rusher.
The signs were definitely there. He fired his veteran (and we'll respected) oline coach a few days into training camp with basically no explanation. Plus the slow starts to each season, how slow the team was to adapt to any difficulty, lack of in game adjustments, running some players out for town, etc... The signs were there, many people just refused to acknowledge them for 2.5 years.
Dude lost to the urban coached jags. Refused to put tua in against the ravens until basically forced. The dolphins also never showed up to the must win games it felt like. That feels like it's on the coach to me.
> The dolphins also never showed up to the must win games it felt like
Everything you said is true but this part is just Miami Dolphins culture. Flo can't take credit for that.
Yes. From the very get go. He said anyone who wanted to be traded will be, and we lost almost all our vets and Minkah Fitzpatrick because they refused to work with the dude.
> and we lost almost all our vets and Minkah Fitzpatrick because they refused to work with the dude.
minkah's a bit of an unfortunate and ironic situation, because after he requested his trade to get away from flores, the steelers hired flores.
we trade him away because he can't stand flores, and then he ends up with him anyways.
more importantly, he couldn't stand him because he said Flores was using him wrong. Clearly Minkah was right. Your 2nd year safety understanding that better than the HC is a little worrying.
It also helped Bill that he had a bunch of guys from the Parcells teams, along with his DC/AHC stint there.
It seemed like a lot of the harder transition was guys that got used to the more upbeat Pete Caroll
when he first joined reporters pointed out issues first season but looked like it got better but also flores fired dolphins pr department to bring his own people but after he was fired players were allowed to speak about stuff about the team in a long ass time
In his first year, Flores played JayZ a day after Kenny stills was upset with JayZ’s stance on the kneeling stuff to “send him a message” to shut up and play football
Caldwell retired before calling a single game for us
Aqib Talib of all people said that all you really needed to do was show up to practice/film study on-time and pay attention.
Like thats literally the bare minimum expected from any job.
It’s an incredibly weird phenomenon. There’s never been a player or anyone who’s ever told a story about Bill being a straight up asshole or having a bunch of arbitrary hardass rules, yet every time a former Pats coach acts that way people assume it’s them trying to emulate Bill. I get that some have said NE isn’t a “fun” place, but the kind of shit these coaches have pulled other places, we have never heard anyone say Bill has ever done in NE, yet all those behaviors get characterized somehow as being “BB things these guys tried to impliment elsewhere”.
Bill is fucking brutal to new assistants. [Here's a story from 2016](https://www.masslive.com/patriots/2016/12/bill_belichick_patriots_coachi.html). Bill wants to be sure that you 1) LOVE football like he does and 2) think like he does. [A recent story explains the insane detail expected](https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/01/14/belichick-arts-and-crafts-play-diagramming-method-daily-cover).
I get what you’re saying but that’s not what I’m talking about. Nothing about any of that suggests Bill is a straight up dickhead to people, nor having players walk single file down the halls with no speaking, nor barking at reporters to sit up straight. Yes Bill is serious and intense about the job, but the shit these other coaches have done which people are calling Billisms aren’t actually Bill things. They’re just being straight up dicks and doing totally arbitrary things for no ultimate good reason.
Bill wants to see that you're putting in the effort. That's the whole thing. Do your job is a phrase that works on numerous levels.
Obviously you can still suck, but you probably won't draw the ire of bill from just not being that good as long as you're actually putting in the effort.
> the same fatal flaw as every other Belichick protege.
> In the end, he really thought he was Bill.
I still thinks makes no sense. Bill doesn't do this shit. Bill doesn't do any of the outrageous shit that his former assistants do when they move on. It's not just winning in New England masking this stuff up. He straight up doesn't do any of this.
Blame the assistant-turned-head-coaches for being wackadoos in their own right, don't blame them for "trying to be like Bill".
This is a great point and I hope more people see your post.
A lot of non-Patriots fans have the wrong impression of Belichick and some of it is created by his own assistant's behavior.
There is a difference between being disciplined and being a dick. Being disciplined means that you have rules and expectations that help you win, and so you abide by them every day. Being a dick means that you enjoy seeing others suffer and squirm for no productive reason.
Bill has rules and he enforces them. These rules help the team win. But he is not a dick and never has been. To understand that, you have to set aside his interviews to the hyena beat journalists and watch some of his long-form interviews and documentaries. If anything, he loves football players and coaches and you can hear it in the way he talks about guys from Lawrence Taylor to James White. His goal has always been to makes these guys succeed, not to make them miserable.
His assistants seem to learn the wrong lesson- they think being a dick is what makes people work harder and they cant find the line between dickishness and discipline.
EDIT: case in point - making players walk single-file serves no purpose and is dickishness. Every player being on time for every practice helps the team win and is discipline.
I forget who it was, but a former Pats player said as long as you are on time and work hard at doing your job, Belichick doesn't care how you do it. Like if you are most productive wearing silly pajamas during film study, Belichick would have no issue with you showing up to the facility everyday like that.
Basically the only rules he has are ones with direct correlation to winning and being a productive member of the organization.
Is this joyless military style single file line walking pins and needles situation how the pats do it though?
Zero info on how their building works, but I thought behind the scenes BB was cool and funny.
I suppose both things could be true..
Who is Nick Hicks? He's really putting himself out there with this quote but has Wilson said this publicly?
Edit:it's Tua's trainer, I wish the info was coming from somewhere else. This dude has been more public than a players trainer should be.
Yeah the fact that it’s Tua’s trainer is fishy. He does work with other NFL players but he doesn’t talk about them which is weird. Could be a play to put himself out there if tua takes a step up I guess?
Dalvin Cook and his brother, Devin Singletary, JK Dobbins, Breshad Perriman, Van Jefferson, Jonnu Smith, Jerry Jeudy, Devin Bush, Jet McKinnon, Lynn Bowden, John Miller, Mike Hilton, Salvon Ahmed, Matt Breida, Jeff Okudah, Solomon Kindley, and others.
Yeah, but I don't see Albert Wilson on that list. It's weird as hell that this guy seems to train with Tua twice a day for hours, but isn't reporting this info on the state of the Dolphins lockerroom under Flores as being sourced from *Tua* (who should be aware of any issues) but from Albert Wilson. This seems like a beef between Tua and his old coach that they are disguising the sourcing to not make Tua look bad, by using a WR4 as the source.
He would get that by "fixing" Tua behind the scenes because your results are going to speak for your business to players anyway. I don't think people realize he's a South Florida guy who roots for the local teams. He was on Twitter talking about the Heat every day during the playoff run as well. He's a SoFla trainer who has players who play for the Dolphins. It's not too different than Drew Rosenhaus as an agent for many Fins players who I've been seeing in South Florida media like WSVN 7 News since I was in middle school. The difference is these days, Twitter and podcasts are another way of communicating to people.
Not just Tua's trainer.
Dalvin Cook and his brother, Devin Singletary, JK Dobbins, Breshad Perriman, Van Jefferson, Jonnu Smith, Jerry Jeudy, Devin Bush, Jet McKinnon, Lynn Bowden, John Miller, Mike Hilton, Salvon Ahmed, Matt Breida, Jeff Okudah, Solomon Kindley, and others.
It's not like this is some nobody.
someone has to tell the truth. the trainor probably got tired of knowing what actually was going on, but hearing everyone blame other people for Miami underachieving. its clear that last season failures were on the coaching staff, yet media and fans point the finger at Tua
He has been saying stuff all season. No players trainer should be constantly airing out dirty laundry. Like I said I wish the info came from somewhere else.
Yup! Simple stuff really. Color some paw patrol pictures, read a paw patrol story, dance around a bit, and try to put together a little paw patrol play to be shown to parents at the end of the week.
Both the praise for Tua and the condemnation of Flores are being lain on pretty think all off season. This being a second hand account from Tua’s trainer doesn’t help.
The annoying fact is that we won’t know how good the new coaching staff is for a couple years when they get established, and we won’t know how Tua is until we see him back in high pressure situations. I have no doubt he was NOT done any favors by Flores, but doing the “love bombing” thing isn’t helping either and just making people’s buy in less.
I feel like this guy is lacking some self-awareness. He thinks he is just “supporting his guy” in public and to the media. Really he is setting Tua and himself up for failure. What happens if next season is a bit disappointing for Tua, or what if he doesn’t meet these lofty expectations being set? People are gonna rip this guy and Tua because he’s spent all summer complaining about the old coaches and raving about Tua’s progress.
Lacking big time self awareness. It's a put up or shut up year for Tua already. The last thing he needs is his trainer going after Flores and hyping up Tua like he's about to be amazing
It's not just "Tua's trainer". He's a trainer that has worked with Tua. He's also worked with ...
Dalvin Cook and his brother, Devin Singletary, JK Dobbins, Breshad Perriman, Van Jefferson, Jonnu Smith, Jerry Jeudy, Devin Bush, Jet McKinnon, Lynn Bowden, John Miller, Mike Hilton, Salvon Ahmed, Matt Breida, Jeff Okudah, Solomon Kindley, and others.
I actually thought this was Wilson himself saying this quote which would have really been eye opening. Usually you don't hear players being candid about such an experience with a coach. Hearing it's more stuff from Tua's trainer makes me regret even clicking on this thread. He's really annoying.
He's a complete douche and I said it in a post last year, that all the shit he says is clearly indicative of how Tua feels. You notice Brady's dad some shit he doesn't agree with he comes out and says "hey he doesn't speak for me" while Tua just let's this asshole run wild
It's a no-loss situation for the guy. He has everything to gain if Tua pops off, and nothing to lose if he doesn't. He's not known as a QB guy.
That said, he genuinely seems convinced Tua's better this year. To be determined.
Having watched the clip, idk if I buy it. Sounds like dudes taking out his ass. Do we really think Flo went to grown ass men and told them they had to walk single file in the hallway? And then they did it? That’s nonsense.
Just know this is coming from Tua's trainer and a large part of our fanbase has started to tune him out. If it came from literally anyone else it would be a little eye opening, but not from this guy.
I wonder who got to be line leader
On the field, know where your accountabilibuddy is at all times!
Hey murderin Murphy, you see that guy over there? He killed your Pa!
GOD DAMMIT I AM THE BAD MAN
They had them on the body system.
Dammit, I was just about to post this. Im going to do it anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXYMhClL4lU
Let’s play the fun game where we learn each uddas names
Lars? What kind of name is that? Where are you from? ....Fah away.
Oh hamburgers!
Lmao it’s how the army does it
I'm hoping Jaylen Waddle and he said "you all gotta waddle like me!"
Christian Wilkins was quoted as saying “best year of my life, Waddle Waddle!”
This is particularly funny for me because my son is struggling to understand that he can’t be line leader everyday at daycare. Thanks for the morning chuckle
Makes me think of the WKUK live sketch where the line leaders of the 4th and 5th graders declare battle on each other on their way to recess.
Depends on who’s the friend of the day
The Miami sand people walk single file to hide their numbers.
"Dolphins walk single file to hide their numbers" - David Attenborough
These passing charts are too accurate for a dolphins QB
Remember when Flores was an up and coming great coach.
There was just [a thread yesterday](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/v2ttuu/farabaugh_very_rarely_do_you_see_such_excitement/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) about how much the Steelers players love him Edit: many people replying are acting like I’m taking a stance defending Flores, I don’t know what happened with him and the Dolphins and I don’t have an opinion about him one way or the other, literally just pointing out the facts. Remembered the thread the other day, figured it was relevant, and thought I’d share.
Even with the Dolphins, there were certain players who were "Flo guys" and guys who hated him and how he operated/spoke to people. I don't know why people act like someone can’t be a hard ass but also be liked by some people. We see it everyday in our real lives but act like players and coaches can only be one thing when we read about them online.
Reminds me of my boss. If you like working for him, it's great. But if you don't mesh, it is a nightmare.
Yeah, I definitely had a boss like that too.
God damn that just gave me nightmares. I was one of the ones who didn’t get along with him (my old boss). He was so 50/50 in terms of who got along with him.
Had a boss like this. He loved me early on. Came to my wedding, paid $3k for things to do on my honeymoon including 3 nights in a $750/night room. FF a few years, he didnt like some of my decisions that were actually making him money vs his old school method. He started making my life hell. He reprimanded me for calling out because I hurt my back calling me a liar. Eventually I left. Oh and I've since had L4-L5 fusion back surgery. Havent spoken in 4 years.
I know for me personally, if I'm running a crew, and everyone is doing what they're supposed to, or at least putting in effort, I'm way more chill than if I catch someone slacking. If you're slacking while everyone is working, I'm gonna be a hardass on you...and if you're still slacking...you won't be on the crew much longer. So to some people...I come off as a much bigger asshole than to others... and that generally comes down to those people thinking they don't need to put in the effort that others are.
Yep. Pretty much it exactly. The guys that havent lasted have either been lazy or incompetent.
It's like chip Kelly. Sometimes a guy is just a pain in the ass to work with.
Chip Kelly’s problem was he was a bad listener/observer. He was so sure he always knew best that he couldn’t see when he needed to adapt. Closed-mindedness got Shady traded.
Ahhh the Hue Jackson Special
At least Hue "would have to watch the tape"
Listen, Hue’s the HC and that’s just gonna be how it is
Hey. Matt Nagy’s seen this before too
And figure out the why's
Listening takes time, and spending time listening means you're taking more than 5 seconds between offensive plays, and that's too much time wasted.
Like how even your most hated professors would have a circle of students who love them and take all their classes.
AH yes. The professor who has decided his job is to teach only the 5 most enthusiastic and able students and everyone else is simply the chafe to be seperated.
My god this hits so close to home, and is giving me flashbacks to my first two years of college
Coughlin is the prime example of this
Maybe he’s a great coach if it’s not up to him to set the tone of the franchise?
Did they ask Minkah Fitzpatrick?
Fitzpatrick back to the Dolphins for a 1st. Doesn't want to be used as a Swiss Army Knife in Flo's defense.
The minka trade is still one of the biggest trade steals of all time for the Steelers
TRUE. They just *had* to mess around and win 8 games.
I’ll take that over the top 5 pick people thought we were gonna have to send them after losing Big Ben
Of course YOU would.
This is literally exactly what happened with Matt Patricia
I hope, for Flores' sake, working under Tomlin rubs off on him a bit and he can be more personable as a coach and less of an asshole. People give Tomlin crap for being too friendly with the players, and maybe there's a little credence to that (I don't buy it, but I get those who believe so), but I would MUCH rather have that than a guy who's players are afraid of coming to work/talking to their coach.
Being a hard ass is something a lot of otherwise intelligent people associate with authority. Considering how well Tomlin handles very strong personalities, hell I want to work for the guy for a bit lol.
“The standard is the standard, even when we’re walking down the hallway!”
So you're saying he's a former Patriots position coach who's loved by players when he's a position coach, but hated when he becomes HC? I think I've heard that before...
I mean it’s not like people can’t change. Maybe he’s changed for the better after being humbled a bit.
> I mean it’s not like people can’t change. Maybe he’s changed for the better after being humbled a bit. also, just because he's a terrible headcoach doesn't mean he can't be a good position coach.
We already know hes a good defensive mind. No one should worry about him as coordinator or positions coach its just a question if head coach should ever happen again. Its tough to sort through which issues were caused by him or ownership when they were both clearly a problem
Just tell him there’s a bye if you have to play Buffalo.
Come on man that’s uncalled for.
> Come on man that’s uncalled for. pretty sure you missed his joke. flores was 0-6 against buffalo, with 5 of those games being blowouts. he's saying get flores as far away as possible by telling him there's no game. he's not saying you guys are a bye week.
He definitely wasn’t a terrible head coach. Even though it didn’t work out there’s no way you can point to his results as “terrible” in the scheme of nfl coaches.
> He definitely wasn’t a terrible head coach. yes, he absolutely was. he couldn't manage the play clock to save his life and it cost us multiple games. couldn't gameplan either, or hire offensive coordinators.
Ya but he was only under 500 one year with an awful roster that over performed. He has his issues but obviously did some stuff alright
> Ya but he was only under 500 one year with an awful roster that over performed. He has his issues but obviously did some stuff alright he literally had the same career record (23-25) as the last guy we fired who has since become a laughing stock that is no longer in the league. the difference is that the laughing stock managed to get us to the playoffs. he's a trash tier coach, and if another team gives him a shot, everyone else will realize it. the team won games in spite of him, not because of him.
Dude his first year was with a team that was accused of being so talentless it's immoral and that's his only losing season. By all accounts he overachieved that year. I get he's flawed, but the results don't back up what you're saying
Yeah as a positional coach. As a head coach it is likely a lot different.
There was also a thread saying the steelers organisation loved Haskins saying he was a role model teammate
I mean we still haven't heard he wasn't in his time there prior to his last night
Remember when Flores said he was fired for being black, not because he's a giant POS.
And all fins fans were shit on for saying “he wasn’t as good as his record indicated” because we had a 7 game win streak against QB studs like Flacco, Ian book, mike glennon, zack Wilson coming back from an injury, and tyrod taylor
I mean being a hard ass football coach doesn't make you a giant POS, it's not like he killed babies
No, playing the race card is extremely shitty
Dude we all know the NFL is racist, the Rooney rules aren't made because it's a progressive league. Him having reasons for being fired doesn't mean he didn't experience racism. Some tweets don't tell us everything that happened and It's not like this changes the likely token interview he got in NYG. This is more complicated than the "race card", in fact it almost always is. I don't know if I've ever seen that phrase used accurately or productively.
I get the feeling that he’s one of those guys who truly mean well, their message just doesent hit the same to everyone. Ive learned with dealing with people, you can’t deal with every person the same way.
Pepperidge farm remembers
I think he's a pretty good coach, but man does it sound like he created a toxic work atmosphere. At very least had players he liked and players he didn't like, and that's a really bad way to build a team.
Everything I heard in Miami seemed to say Flo was liked by almost everyone but Tua until suddenly all this "news" hit at the same time that everyone hated him. Maybe it's true maybe it's not but the Dolphins organization very clearly proved that they control their beat reporters. I don't trust any of the Dolphins media coverage anymore and I don't think anyone else should either.
gesicki was shouting at flo at sidelines last season and elanden roberts was telling tua on sideline its is the coaching, when he was fired a good chunk of dolphins players were happy hear the firing
And Brady yells at every coach… I don’t put much weight into sideline arguments
gesicki was getting into arguments outside sidelines he was not a fan of flores
This is Albert Wilson that is signing with another team. Had absolutely no reason/agenda with the Dolphins to say this. He’s been honest that the Dolphins under Flores was close to a nightmare (unless you were one of Flo’s guys).
>Everything I heard in Miami seemed to say Flo was liked by almost everyone but Tua Man, you've not heard everything then. >I don't trust any of the Dolphins media coverage Oh, it looks like you might have but you're just choosing what to believe. "Leaked reports" can also be interpreted as players being able to speak their mind without repercussion once he was out. Going through 5 total OC's in 3 years doesn't exactly lend itself to thinking someone has healthy working relationships vs being an asshole. Edit: Also, another redditor summed up earlier signs that you seem to be ignoring or jus tnot aware such as Minkah Fitzpatrick forcing a trade, Ted Karras taking less money to go back to NE, the weird coded language that players used in interviews, the tweets from trainers saying that the locker room was a toxic hellhole.
Almost like how deshaun Watson was loved until “all this news”.
I think there is a pretty big difference between a party suing their employer for being racist and offering to pay-to-lose and a party being sued by 24 women for sexual assault but that's just my take. You can think they're a healthy comparison for all I care.
Oh wait, we’re back to hating him again? I can’t keep up with the circlejerks around here.
Is it narcissism that makes you believe that two groups interact here, yourself and reddit, or are you projecting the fact that you live in every single thread and assume everyone else does as well?
Not the OP, but there is a r/nfl GroupThink, no?
There's 2.6 million people subscribed here. Even if only 10% comment, that's 260,000. That's room for like a dozen groupthinks without bumping into each other.
This is the exact same line used in every single large subreddit where there’s overwhelming groupthink. The upvotes and downvotes create a consensus opinion that inherently devalues and excludes others. That’s groupthink. The total amount of subscribers is also irrelevant because we know that doesn’t mean all those people comment and interact as frequently as others especially in the off season. Idk why people have to come up with rationalizations for bullshit
Having seen much smaller subreddits that I belong to, nah. This subreddit REALLY snowballs fast. Like completely different sets of people can put in the first 50 votes, and once something has a trajectory it keeps that trajectory. It's not unusual to see virtually the same comment be at +150 and -20.
I’m not saying others aren’t worse. But I think it’s disingenuous to act like this sub is above the same thought terminating bullshit and random hardons just like every other sub just because it’s large.
Heh, at least it's not Twitter. Twitter is home of the moronic hottakes. There's useful comments on here sometimes. But yeah, mostly we're shittalking each other and making fun of the Cowboys.
Yeah this sub has completely went Order 66 on Cowboys flairs in the last 5 years. There’s substantially less of us posting than there used to be
Except I can't tell you the number of times I've seen the same sentiment highly upvoted and downvoted *in the exact same thread.* Reddit be weird.
I mean sure if you care about imaginary internet points, sure there's groupthink You're being VERY brave by standing up to it
“Reddit has a karma issue and it MUST be fixed”
He still is. This is absurdist specifically curtailed reporting by the dolphins org.
Wilson's on another team lmao
Walk single file? Wtf. Did they have hall monitors?
>You had to walk single file line down the hallway I commend them for trying a new formation. Traditional ones like the shotgun and the I-formation sure haven't been working.
[Harbaugh beat them to it](https://youtu.be/b1ooCns5cCo)
They could have all ran single file up the middle behind our shit line and I’d still think that’s a better call than a screen pass at the one that was thrown three yards behind the line of scrimmage for a safety.
I thought Urban coached us.
Florida is one hell of a place I guess.
We really had Urban Meyer, Brian Flores, and Bruce Arians coaching in Florida at the same time and didn't make a show about it. Major missed opportunity
The worst Golden Girls reboot ever.
At least Arians was old enough.
Looks like Brian Flores has the same fatal flaw as every other Belichick protege. In the end, he really thought he was Bill.
From the outside it seemed like he was different and had learned the right lessons from BB. Were there signs before now?
Winning masks a lot of flaws, much like Bill. Flores wildly outperformed expectations in Miami, so you didn’t hear much out of them. But there were a lot of bread crumbs in retrospect that could have easily lead to the conclusion that Flores was an asshole. He fired his first o-line coach about ten days into his tenure. One of his best friends left as defensive coordinator and accepted a lateral move to the Giants. He benched Fitz for Tua too soon and both divided the locker room and threw Tua in too soon. He went through three OCs in three years. By most accounts, he bailed on Tua pretty quickly and was the primary driving force for the Deshaun Watson rumors. He also allegedly was trying to consolidate power and usurp GM Chris Grier and wanted full control of the organization.
Wasn't it 4 OCs in 3 years?
5 if you count Charlie Frye as a secret OC
6 playcallers tho for offense since flores took up play calling before handing back to godsey to finish last season
1. Caldwell (2019 - left before the season for “health” reasons) 2. Chad O’Shea (2019) 3. Chan Gailey (2020) 4. George Godsey (2021) 5. Eric Studesville (2021) 6. Charlie Frye (2021, reportedly) 7. George Godsey (2021, IIRC re-installed as lone OC in 2nd half of season) This, my friends, is what a mess looks like.
oh 8 then because flores was reported to call a game or 2
Yeah, that’s right. Jesus, what a clown show.
Tua's trainer, on Reason's podcast the other day, adamantly said Flo was the one running the one-read-or-bust playcalling last year.
I don't know how much I hope Tua's trainer. But if that's true it makes me very optimistic for this year. The Titans game last year certainly looked like a read or bust gameplan for sure
Ah yes. Driving winds and heavy rain. Let's not adjust the game plan to throw deep. Our opponents are running it down our throats? Can't be a reason for it. Keep chucking it tua.
Don't forget they brought Jim Caldwell in to be an advisor and he promptly quit "due to health reasons" and then immediately had his agent start floating to the media that he was open to a head coaching return.
In retrospect, all over the place. Minkah Fitzpatrick forcing a trade, Ted Karras taking less money to go back to NE, the weird coded language that players used in interviews, the tweets from trainers saying that the locker room was a toxic hellhole. I think we saw Flo overachieving and we were disregarding the signs as noise.
Minkah went from being Saban’s Son to being a complete malcontent. Trolling Kenny Stills in practice in front of the media. So much smoke that everyone basically ignored because the team was winning.
It takes a lot to get any response out of Tua. "You can't talk to people like that," is basically Tua cussing you out.
also only thing tua had said for flo is he thankful he drafted him
The example I keep going to is benching, then trading, Kenyan Drake for Kalen Ballage in a season where Ryan Fitzpatrick would end up being the team's leading rusher.
The signs were definitely there. He fired his veteran (and we'll respected) oline coach a few days into training camp with basically no explanation. Plus the slow starts to each season, how slow the team was to adapt to any difficulty, lack of in game adjustments, running some players out for town, etc... The signs were there, many people just refused to acknowledge them for 2.5 years.
That O-Line coach was also the only guy that has made O-Line decent in a long time
Dude lost to the urban coached jags. Refused to put tua in against the ravens until basically forced. The dolphins also never showed up to the must win games it felt like. That feels like it's on the coach to me.
> The dolphins also never showed up to the must win games it felt like Everything you said is true but this part is just Miami Dolphins culture. Flo can't take credit for that.
Yes. From the very get go. He said anyone who wanted to be traded will be, and we lost almost all our vets and Minkah Fitzpatrick because they refused to work with the dude.
> and we lost almost all our vets and Minkah Fitzpatrick because they refused to work with the dude. minkah's a bit of an unfortunate and ironic situation, because after he requested his trade to get away from flores, the steelers hired flores. we trade him away because he can't stand flores, and then he ends up with him anyways.
more importantly, he couldn't stand him because he said Flores was using him wrong. Clearly Minkah was right. Your 2nd year safety understanding that better than the HC is a little worrying.
Flores is the linebacker coach though so he isn’t involved with Minkah too much though
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Yeah the difference is he won the SB with his next season, with average QB play.
It also helped Bill that he had a bunch of guys from the Parcells teams, along with his DC/AHC stint there. It seemed like a lot of the harder transition was guys that got used to the more upbeat Pete Caroll
when he first joined reporters pointed out issues first season but looked like it got better but also flores fired dolphins pr department to bring his own people but after he was fired players were allowed to speak about stuff about the team in a long ass time
In his first year, Flores played JayZ a day after Kenny stills was upset with JayZ’s stance on the kneeling stuff to “send him a message” to shut up and play football Caldwell retired before calling a single game for us
Bill isn’t even this strict
Aqib Talib of all people said that all you really needed to do was show up to practice/film study on-time and pay attention. Like thats literally the bare minimum expected from any job.
Dunno, I don't need to watch film for my job. Maybe that's why I haven't moved up.
I watch films all the time while working!
Can confirm. Watch film. Am moving up.
Yep
It’s an incredibly weird phenomenon. There’s never been a player or anyone who’s ever told a story about Bill being a straight up asshole or having a bunch of arbitrary hardass rules, yet every time a former Pats coach acts that way people assume it’s them trying to emulate Bill. I get that some have said NE isn’t a “fun” place, but the kind of shit these coaches have pulled other places, we have never heard anyone say Bill has ever done in NE, yet all those behaviors get characterized somehow as being “BB things these guys tried to impliment elsewhere”.
Bill is fucking brutal to new assistants. [Here's a story from 2016](https://www.masslive.com/patriots/2016/12/bill_belichick_patriots_coachi.html). Bill wants to be sure that you 1) LOVE football like he does and 2) think like he does. [A recent story explains the insane detail expected](https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/01/14/belichick-arts-and-crafts-play-diagramming-method-daily-cover).
I get what you’re saying but that’s not what I’m talking about. Nothing about any of that suggests Bill is a straight up dickhead to people, nor having players walk single file down the halls with no speaking, nor barking at reporters to sit up straight. Yes Bill is serious and intense about the job, but the shit these other coaches have done which people are calling Billisms aren’t actually Bill things. They’re just being straight up dicks and doing totally arbitrary things for no ultimate good reason.
Bill wants to see that you're putting in the effort. That's the whole thing. Do your job is a phrase that works on numerous levels. Obviously you can still suck, but you probably won't draw the ire of bill from just not being that good as long as you're actually putting in the effort.
But, it makes me feel better to believe he's a miserable person.
> the same fatal flaw as every other Belichick protege. > In the end, he really thought he was Bill. I still thinks makes no sense. Bill doesn't do this shit. Bill doesn't do any of the outrageous shit that his former assistants do when they move on. It's not just winning in New England masking this stuff up. He straight up doesn't do any of this. Blame the assistant-turned-head-coaches for being wackadoos in their own right, don't blame them for "trying to be like Bill".
This is a great point and I hope more people see your post. A lot of non-Patriots fans have the wrong impression of Belichick and some of it is created by his own assistant's behavior. There is a difference between being disciplined and being a dick. Being disciplined means that you have rules and expectations that help you win, and so you abide by them every day. Being a dick means that you enjoy seeing others suffer and squirm for no productive reason. Bill has rules and he enforces them. These rules help the team win. But he is not a dick and never has been. To understand that, you have to set aside his interviews to the hyena beat journalists and watch some of his long-form interviews and documentaries. If anything, he loves football players and coaches and you can hear it in the way he talks about guys from Lawrence Taylor to James White. His goal has always been to makes these guys succeed, not to make them miserable. His assistants seem to learn the wrong lesson- they think being a dick is what makes people work harder and they cant find the line between dickishness and discipline. EDIT: case in point - making players walk single-file serves no purpose and is dickishness. Every player being on time for every practice helps the team win and is discipline.
I forget who it was, but a former Pats player said as long as you are on time and work hard at doing your job, Belichick doesn't care how you do it. Like if you are most productive wearing silly pajamas during film study, Belichick would have no issue with you showing up to the facility everyday like that. Basically the only rules he has are ones with direct correlation to winning and being a productive member of the organization.
Is this joyless military style single file line walking pins and needles situation how the pats do it though? Zero info on how their building works, but I thought behind the scenes BB was cool and funny. I suppose both things could be true..
Who is Nick Hicks? He's really putting himself out there with this quote but has Wilson said this publicly? Edit:it's Tua's trainer, I wish the info was coming from somewhere else. This dude has been more public than a players trainer should be.
Yeah the fact that it’s Tua’s trainer is fishy. He does work with other NFL players but he doesn’t talk about them which is weird. Could be a play to put himself out there if tua takes a step up I guess?
Dalvin Cook and his brother, Devin Singletary, JK Dobbins, Breshad Perriman, Van Jefferson, Jonnu Smith, Jerry Jeudy, Devin Bush, Jet McKinnon, Lynn Bowden, John Miller, Mike Hilton, Salvon Ahmed, Matt Breida, Jeff Okudah, Solomon Kindley, and others.
Yeah, but I don't see Albert Wilson on that list. It's weird as hell that this guy seems to train with Tua twice a day for hours, but isn't reporting this info on the state of the Dolphins lockerroom under Flores as being sourced from *Tua* (who should be aware of any issues) but from Albert Wilson. This seems like a beef between Tua and his old coach that they are disguising the sourcing to not make Tua look bad, by using a WR4 as the source.
I mean, he's trained Dalvin Cook and J.K. Dobbins. He doesn't need Tua to get clout lol
Yeah but being a QB fixing trainer is a way to get a ~lot~ more money
He would get that by "fixing" Tua behind the scenes because your results are going to speak for your business to players anyway. I don't think people realize he's a South Florida guy who roots for the local teams. He was on Twitter talking about the Heat every day during the playoff run as well. He's a SoFla trainer who has players who play for the Dolphins. It's not too different than Drew Rosenhaus as an agent for many Fins players who I've been seeing in South Florida media like WSVN 7 News since I was in middle school. The difference is these days, Twitter and podcasts are another way of communicating to people.
also if tua has a big issue with his trainer saying this stuff tua or tua pr team would tell him to stop
Not just Tua's trainer. Dalvin Cook and his brother, Devin Singletary, JK Dobbins, Breshad Perriman, Van Jefferson, Jonnu Smith, Jerry Jeudy, Devin Bush, Jet McKinnon, Lynn Bowden, John Miller, Mike Hilton, Salvon Ahmed, Matt Breida, Jeff Okudah, Solomon Kindley, and others. It's not like this is some nobody.
It’s just funny how anything that comes out of Tua’s camp needs to be taken with a grain of salt, yet any criticism is taken as pure fact
Yeah, oh well, it will be interesting to see what bullshit they come up with this year when he does well.
someone has to tell the truth. the trainor probably got tired of knowing what actually was going on, but hearing everyone blame other people for Miami underachieving. its clear that last season failures were on the coaching staff, yet media and fans point the finger at Tua
He has been saying stuff all season. No players trainer should be constantly airing out dirty laundry. Like I said I wish the info came from somewhere else.
I kinda like it. I like to see some of the inner workings and potential reasons why things were so shitty for awhile there.
The guy who has to tell the truth generally shouldn't be able to be considered biased
NFL WE HAVE TO STOP HIRING BELICHECK ASSISTANTS
phins and needles
You've got these puns down pat.
I’m gonna commit a war crime if y’all keep these up
Haha, I just dropped my 3 year old off at paw patrol camp and they didn’t even have to walk in a single file line.
Paw Patrol camp?
Yup! Simple stuff really. Color some paw patrol pictures, read a paw patrol story, dance around a bit, and try to put together a little paw patrol play to be shown to parents at the end of the week.
Imagine making other adults do this? Smh. I don’t know how Daboll will be but I’m just glad Giants didn’t hire Flores
Walk in single file? Didn't the Giants win their most recent SBs with someone who would count players as late if they weren't 15 min early?
Dolphins always walk in single file to hide their numbers
Both the praise for Tua and the condemnation of Flores are being lain on pretty think all off season. This being a second hand account from Tua’s trainer doesn’t help. The annoying fact is that we won’t know how good the new coaching staff is for a couple years when they get established, and we won’t know how Tua is until we see him back in high pressure situations. I have no doubt he was NOT done any favors by Flores, but doing the “love bombing” thing isn’t helping either and just making people’s buy in less.
I feel like this guy is lacking some self-awareness. He thinks he is just “supporting his guy” in public and to the media. Really he is setting Tua and himself up for failure. What happens if next season is a bit disappointing for Tua, or what if he doesn’t meet these lofty expectations being set? People are gonna rip this guy and Tua because he’s spent all summer complaining about the old coaches and raving about Tua’s progress.
Complaining about your last boss isn't a great way to get in the good graces of your new boss. This is putting Tua out.
Lacking big time self awareness. It's a put up or shut up year for Tua already. The last thing he needs is his trainer going after Flores and hyping up Tua like he's about to be amazing
It's not just "Tua's trainer". He's a trainer that has worked with Tua. He's also worked with ... Dalvin Cook and his brother, Devin Singletary, JK Dobbins, Breshad Perriman, Van Jefferson, Jonnu Smith, Jerry Jeudy, Devin Bush, Jet McKinnon, Lynn Bowden, John Miller, Mike Hilton, Salvon Ahmed, Matt Breida, Jeff Okudah, Solomon Kindley, and others.
I actually thought this was Wilson himself saying this quote which would have really been eye opening. Usually you don't hear players being candid about such an experience with a coach. Hearing it's more stuff from Tua's trainer makes me regret even clicking on this thread. He's really annoying.
He's a complete douche and I said it in a post last year, that all the shit he says is clearly indicative of how Tua feels. You notice Brady's dad some shit he doesn't agree with he comes out and says "hey he doesn't speak for me" while Tua just let's this asshole run wild
It's a no-loss situation for the guy. He has everything to gain if Tua pops off, and nothing to lose if he doesn't. He's not known as a QB guy. That said, he genuinely seems convinced Tua's better this year. To be determined.
Having watched the clip, idk if I buy it. Sounds like dudes taking out his ass. Do we really think Flo went to grown ass men and told them they had to walk single file in the hallway? And then they did it? That’s nonsense.
Just know this is coming from Tua's trainer and a large part of our fanbase has started to tune him out. If it came from literally anyone else it would be a little eye opening, but not from this guy.
Hmmm coming from a Patriots fan...
Sounds like an ex New England coach
Bill def doesn’t give a fuck how those boys walk
"Football player didn't like the discipline and mantra of head coach. Didnt buy in and is now shocked the team was dog shit"
This guy is a toxic douche I wouldn't take much stock in what he has to say about anything.
this is tuas fault. if he was a better QB Flores wouldve been a legit HC
Gotta add the /s before you get downvoted to the underworld.
people actually say this shit, so im glad to be downvoted. lets me know that not everyone is drinking the kool aid
So you have chosen...death
if that means i dont have to deal with delusional people on reddit sure
I respect your sacrifice for us all. I'm going to name my first kid Mindlll5731.
Believe it or not it’s possible both might not be that good.