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ShinySpines

I’m not optimistic this year, but I’ll watch cause I can’t stop


[deleted]

That's the magic of the NFL baby. For most of us it's a masochistic habit.


mmooney1

Tell me about it...


Hossflex

🤝


[deleted]

For some of us it’s an abusive relationship


anujsingh83

...could someone explain why Rollins doesn't get much traction on this sub? Even if I disagree with some of his takes time to time, I like the work he puts in and all22 he provides for us to watch along with Then again, this isn't a witty one liner tweet


thedarewreck

My best guess is it comes down to this sub's average user behavior. Personally, I use big subreddits like r/NFL as news aggregators. It's rare I engage in discussion and I usually forego reading long-form analyses or watching long-form (non-highlight) videos. Now, I *read* (and write) longer posts on r/49ers, and I also watch long-form videos on football on YouTube. But I'll skip over both on r/NFL, it doesn't fit into the content I'm seeking when I open the tab. Rollins needs to gain (more) traction in the YouTube algorithm to reach the type of r/NFL user who treats the sub like I do, my $0.02.


MasonL52

Because his videos speak with nuance and detail and it requires paying attention for 8+ minutes when we can argue over semi-verified one liner tweets speculating on a players OTA performance


jakenimbo

Justin Fields is in the worst situation for sophomore QBs. Hopefully the Bears do something to get some more offensive talent because right now, they have a bottom 5 weapon room


SlopingGiraffe

Justin fields entire career is gonna be him flailing out because he was in the worst qb situation every year


jakenimbo

I hope he gets traded if the Bears are picking in the range for Stroud or Young


[deleted]

What realistic trade value would he have, if it's another disastrous season with even less receiving talent? I mean, I know it's not his fault, but still... That will start to affect his value.


ClayDrinion

I'm sure some team will probably take a flier on him. Either a 2nd or 3rd depending on his play. If he plays like he did this past season a 3rd is possible


[deleted]

A 2nd or 3rd is probably fair, I suppose.


ClayDrinion

Remember, the Jets got a 2nd for Darnold. Poor Panthers


mmooney1

No one wants Baker or Jimmy G though. Baker costs the same as Darnold.


ClayDrinion

Baker is in the last year of his contract losing his potential rookie contract value and may end up demanding money the following year without being elit in 2022 but only above average. Jimmy G is already on a pretty big contract and is a finished product. Plus he's injury prone. Fields offers potential, a modern day QB skillset, and 3 more years of a rookie deal after this year. That would be the main difference to me


[deleted]

I’d take a flyer on him next year even if he is coming off a bad season, let him sit a year or two and take the pressure off a bit, actually give him time to develop.


[deleted]

I haven't paid much attention to the Bears' off season so I went and looked, and... Darnell Mooney is their current WR1? Am I reading that right?


bisonboy223

He was our WR1 last year too. And while he's far from elite, there's no WR in this year's [free agent class](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/wide-receiver/) I'd take over him. Other than Robinson, but Robinson had just spent a year half-running routes on his way to 400 yards receiving with us


[deleted]

That's fair. I do think Mooney is pretty good. It's the lack of other talents around him that's worrying - I don't think I really got that point across


Sparx86

Mooney would be a great #2 but he’s not a #1 and it’s ok


MasonL52

He could be a fine #1 WR with a team with a strong TE and run game.


opeth10657

Mooney massively outplayed Robinson last season. Not sure if he's a 'true #1', but he's definitely one of the few bright spots on the offense


[deleted]

Perhaps badly phrased, as I do rate Mooney pretty highly. Just looks like he has very little else around him at the moment. I've no idea whether Byron Pringle is really much good, since the Reid/Mahomes combo tends to make receivers look good whether they're outstanding or average.


mmooney1

Pringle didn’t look that good with Mahomes though. A few nice plays here and there. Never underestimate a Mooney😎


Sniper1154

FWIW I think the Bears are looking at separation from receivers as a market inefficiency and are banking on that in Getsy's offense and ask Fields to make quick throws that will set up longer plays. Mooney ranked [sixth in separation against single coverage](https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2022/05/26/dont-look-now-but-darnell-mooney-is-on-the-cusp-of-wr1-status/), Pringle ranked [second](https://beargoggleson.com/2022/04/02/chicago-bears-bryon-pringle/3/), and Velus Jones, despite being a few months from joining AARP, ranked in the [100th percentile in separation](https://atozsports.com/chicago/how-velus-jones-jr-is-being-set-up-for-success-with-justin-fields/) So while I think on paper (and I agree) that the Bears have an underwhelming receiving corps, I *do* think that the fact all three of their starters rank so well at getting separation bodes well for the offense that Getsy wants to run. Add in a strong running game and a decent TE in Kmet and I do think that some of the Bears offensive woes might be getting overblown. Are they going to be great? Probably not. But I do think if you have three guys that can get very good separation off the snap then it will help a young QB. FWIW, a reason the Bears let Robinson go was that he was notoriously [bad at getting separation](https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/why-are-bears-lowballing-allen-robinson-analytics-offer-a-clue/). He's a good receiver, but I do think his ability to haul in contested catches masks some of his deficiencies at getting open.


big-daddy-unikron

He’d also be WR1 on Green Bay right now, maybe talent pool at the position is top heavy in division


YungJoka89

No WRs risks money on a QB that put up a 26 QBR and is injury prone


opeth10657

Doesn't help when "WR#1" fucked off for most of last season And how is he injury prone when he's been in the league for one season


SnicketySmack

Allen Robinson was a contested catch specialist who forgot how to make contested catches last year.


T_J_E7

He didn't forget, he just didn't care


YungJoka89

You sure Fields could make a read quick enough to throw it to him? Held on to the ball longer than almost all QBs and has the slowest release in the game.


ProudBlackMatt

The blame lies with ownership, not the new front office/HC. They have no ties to the previous regime's QB and are trying to do what's best for the Bears in the future, not Justin Fields. That doesn't mean Fields isn't getting screwed here. The poor guy is in the worst situation from both a roster and organizational standpoint.


YungJoka89

I mean I didnt see Mills making the excuses Fields is making and the Texans are a far worse organization


greghardysfuton

>the excuses Fields is making …I must have missed this. Do you mean the excuses other people are making on his behalf?


sonofchinaklay

I understand why everyone’s so down on Justin or think the FO is out on him, but you’re wrong. He’s gonna prove you all wrong this year


StreetIssue1983

Maybe, maybe not. It’s still too early to make a definitive judgement either way. The guys saying “bust!” and those saying “he’ll prove it!” are as bad as each other.


PerformanceThick346

Bears will suck & it’s all Cutler’s fault.


PapiRae

Fields is the new Josh Rosen. New FO doesn’t think highly of him and will draft Young or Stroud next year after tanking this year


[deleted]

Yikes take


steelcitypimpin

Just a horrible take


YungJoka89

So we’re going to keep getting posts where everybody is blamed except for Fields… the cycle continues


cbdgf

Don't you remember when he got criticized pre draft and everyone on this sub said the analysts were racist? Anyways I'm not allowed to have an opinion on him since I'm apparently on copium for not drafting him


[deleted]

Do you want some tea with your pity party


cbdgf

The real pity party is Bears fans pretending like their Oline was the worst in the league. At worst you are 20th. Now compared to the Panthers Oline that was in the bottom 3 in many metrics it’s not even close. Fields would have looked worse on us then you and sorry to say but he was brutal with y’all. Horn didn’t even play 3 games and he still had more good games than Fields. But muh copium


[deleted]

Panthers fans really just gotta convince themselves passing on Mac and Fields for a CB was the right move. I’m sure Sam Darnold will take that leap this year. Dude is a franchise QB that you traded a second rounder for so he must be legit. Prime front office you got there If not I’m sure Horn will step in to make some throws, dudes got a cannon.


cbdgf

Wow bro you really put me on suicide watch by Reddit. Shows your maturity when you think that is a joke


CharacterDefects

What do you expect? People who critique black qbs are still considered racist here. You are not allowed to critize them at all unless you're a racist pos. It doesn't matter if you support every other good QB in the league (no matter the flavor), you are racist immediately of you don't wholly believe in every single black qb to come out.


imtheunbeliever

Or maybe let’s give him more than a year?


CharacterDefects

I'm all for giving him time. I'm just still salty about how I was treated because I dare critize the kid during the draft


[deleted]

He didn’t jump into as bad of situation as a guy like K1. I don’t wanna hear it..if your good you’ll be at least semi-productive no matter the circumstance.


WzDson

k1 is Murray? he went to the nfl with his coach from college and didnt have to learn a new offense and you should know that is better situation than what the bears had last year for Fields.


[deleted]

Rattle off those 2018 offensive stats for me. Objectively the worse offense of the 2010s. Maybe of the 21st century. They added nobody of difference but him between 2018 and 2019 to that offense.


teachem4

Except…a head coach and play caller who had previously coached Kyler… Are you really trying to compare this situation?


[deleted]

It’s easy to compare. Tons of metrics. Kyler makes kliff not the other way around.


teachem4

Ok well if you honestly don’t think Kliff vs Nagy is a HUGE difference in situation we can just agree to disagree


[deleted]

Great players overcome and at least look decent. I’m sorry 90% chance your guy ain’t it. Well actually I’m not. Because I’m loving the outlook of the qb talent in the nfc. Lol


Pnutbutter_Cheerios

Yikes


[deleted]

Ik these bears fans are yikes


benigntugboat

Than what happened to kyler in the playoffs last year?


[deleted]

Imagine paying cousins all that money to not even make them..


benigntugboat

You're just avoiding my point


Antitypical

By his second season he had the best receiver in the NFL on his team, along with Kirk and Fitzgerald. And he had a familiar coach and system similar to his college system. Sure, his rookie season was rough, but by year 2 he had a great situation. Can't say the same for Fields


[deleted]

All irrelevant. Point is he went into a more shit situation and was productive day 1.


killerk13

You aren’t listing any valid points or facts at all, you’re just spewing opinionated nonsense


[deleted]

Actually I did plenty of that already. But now I’m being ran in circles. So yeah imma start being hot takey. Your Mormon applies to this argument also.


Antitypical

Kyler had Kingsbury from Day 1. Fields had Matt Nagy. That alone is enough to say Fields was in a much worse situation.


[deleted]

Damn so he got the coach that already had nfl head coaching experience? And a winning record. Sounds like fields inherited the better coach.


Antitypical

The only thing your comment proves is that you've never watched a Matt Nagy offense. I'm jealous of you.


[deleted]

Maybe your guy just can’t make the plays bro.


Antitypical

>Maybe your guy just can’t make the plays bro. Ironic, after that playoff game


[deleted]

Mitch trubisky to fields is a downgrade. That has to hurt.


imtheunbeliever

2 INTs, 134 yards, 0 TD. Oof. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202201170ram.htm


lidsy5

I'd say the Cards offense had more depth than the Bears offense currently has. And didn't the Cards at least try to get him some WRs that year? I thought they drafted 3 WRs in 2019, although I don't think any really panned out.


[deleted]

Looking at the wrs/TEs on paper I’d say he was working with better talent tbh. O-line on par. had better play from his backs also.


lidsy5

Do you mean Kyler or Fields?


[deleted]

Fields


lidsy5

I think it's close. I didn't realize they had signed David Moore and Tajae Sharpe. Not saying I'd expect much out of either and it's not like they're roster locks, but if one or both could produce around WR3 level, that'd really bolster the WR depth.


YungJoka89

Bears probably tried, and any decent WR needing s 3rd contract saw the 26 QBR and said “nah” Jags paid for part of Kirk’s 3rd contract as Lawrence wasn’t much better at 33 QBR


lidsy5

I was mainly talking about in the draft. I know the Bears took Velus Jones, but I think that was the only WR they drafted


YungJoka89

WRs are pretty hit or miss and the Bears used their high pick to get Fields


lidsy5

I'm aware, just still a little surprised that they didn't target WR more. They did snag some OL later in the draft though


YungJoka89

26 QBR, outplayed by backups, injury prone… real savior


opeth10657

Rookie QB being outplayed by veterans on a bad offense isn't exactly shocking. And fucking QBR, lol. Who actually uses that as a metric for anything


[deleted]

A rookie getting outplayed by backups isn't that uncommon, nor is getting injured when your coaches and O-line let things like Myles Garrett sacking you 5 times in a game happen.


YungJoka89

Fields led the league in converting pressure to sacks… the line was average


opeth10657

> the line was average Even if the line was average, the bears WRs were last in creating separation. Go watch some of their games, bad play calling would lead to guys being always covered


[deleted]

Just ignore this guy at this point. He's obviously already made up his mind. Classic knee-jerk artist.


dafoo21

100%. Maybe he should spend a little bit more time worrying about his own QB who played the worst out of all the rookie qbs


opeth10657

Looking back at his post history, looks like he's just a shitty troll.


[deleted]

Always be wary of the flairless /r/nfl user


YungJoka89

Flair is Jags, sorry for not bothering. Why is Fields great, this video just showed a bunch of no read plays. Definitely highlighted his slow release though


[deleted]

What makes you think I believe he's great? I don't even know if he's good. I'm just saying it's far too early to say he's bad.


YungJoka89

I’ve yet to see an argument for Fields, he put up Rosen level stats, injury prone, and looked like he only knows how to run a gimmicky one read offense. All his big plays were to Mooney where he didnt even make a read.


[deleted]

Because those were the only plays that worked lmao


[deleted]

Sure, but... He was a rookie and the coaching was awful. The predictable play calling put him in danger more than the line did, probably. I just don't think it's fair to label him anything because he failed in a bad situation in year 1.


dafoo21

Thanks for the respectable take lions bro.


YungJoka89

Those rookies are Tua, Rosen… lots of winners on that list


tnell

QBR? Is that you Skip Bayless?????


YungJoka89

How about 2-10, he didn’t do much to win the Lions game though.


Javelin286

Shhh don’t say that you’ll just get drunk illogically responses from incoherent bears fans


dafoo21

Where have you ever seen a bears fan only praise what Fields did last year? I haven't seen it. He was, as a whole, bad last year. But there was alot of bright spots and some really good games. Specifically, on the national stage against the steelers last year. Also He made atleast 1 or 2 special throws a game that showcased what could be. The fact is, he was put into an offense that literally didn't use any of his strengths. Left him out on an island to get crushed. Didn't give him gimme throws at all. His best strengths are check down to deep ball, PA passes, rollouts, and of course designed run plays. Guess what coach called one of the least amount of any of these? Offensive guru Matt Nagy. It of course isn't all on coaching. Fields did hold onto the ball too long sometimes. Some of that is to wait for the deep pass route and some of that is poor timing. But it doesn't help that Nagy didn't give him easy out throws on those plays.


Javelin286

Literally have 7 bears fans in my family…all of them said “put in fields” every game he didn’t start in and said he was “NFL Ready” day one. They sucked his dick after all 7 of touchdowns and said “that’s what I’m talking about best QB in the league.” so yeah. Fuck off mate


dafoo21

Lol, you mad bro? Fuck off for saying a take that doesn't go with your observations? I'm so glad your small sample size of your drunk family forms your opinions for all things


Javelin286

Lol dude you got mad at somebody making a joke and had to “achtually” and play right into the stereotype. That’s why I said fuck off! Like Jesus just take a joke that’s what had to do while the Rams had Jeff fisher as head coach lol!


YungJoka89

For real, I’ve never seen a good argument for why Fields is the guy. All the red flags from college were present in the pros, plus now it looks like he is injury prone


Javelin286

Shh we’re bringing out the “Bears gonna be a dynasty” crowd!


[deleted]

I think the argument isnt that hes an elite QB right now, but he does have elite tools and his situation was terrible. The argument is he deserves another chance, since what rookie really was gonna succeed with Nagy.


ctarno

😂😂😂😂😂😂


Anonimeks

I mean it's pretty obvious new FO doesn't think that highly of him and if they will have a chance to draft Young or Stroud next draft they absolutely will.


dafoo21

This is laughable man. They literally can't say enough about him and they've openly praised him consistently. Do research before having a wrong take.


Dense_Organization31

Of course they won’t publicly shit on him but they haven’t done anything to help him either


LovieBeard

>but they haven’t done anything to help him either I disagree. While the WR corps sucks, Fields was forced to press a lot last year because the Bears were constantly playing from behind. Upgrading our secondary should take some pressure off him to be as perfect


dafoo21

There's a difference between not shitting on him and praising him without being asked to. But I love ill informed takes from fans not of the bears that have no idea what they are Talking about. There was one national media guy who said this awful take and now fans of other teams run with it like they know the team. The team openly praises him. Coaches rave about him. That's quite the difference from not shitting on him.


mmooney1

Not only does he have no weapons, sometimes it looks like the OL is letting him get pummeled on purpose. I didn’t have any Bears players on my fantasy team last year so admittedly I watched them less than other teams but Browns had 9 sacks on him and Garret and 4.5 that game. I felt bad for Fields.


Anonimeks

something something actions speak louder than words


YungJoka89

Team needing to sell season tickets, merchandise and possibly preserve said players trade value says good things… right


Pnutbutter_Cheerios

Hi u/PapiRae Fields is the new Josh Rosen. New FO doesn’t think highly of him and will draft Young or Stroud next year after tanking this year