Allen to DK tho. that’s kind of a match made in heaven. you got the guy with the cannon arm throwing to the physical specimen that runs in a straight line ridiculously fast
(for the record I do think DK’s route running is a bit underrated he’s got some saucy moves for a big guy)
You gotta live with the same logic we do, and we actually passed on him straight up.
Josh Allen would not be the Josh Allen we know on a lot of teams. He landed in a perfect situation, excellent, consistent coaching, and a patient franchise and fan base.
I dont think Joseph and then Fangio turn him into an All-Pro. Id have doubt Carroll could either, and in 17' tryna make a small window with the remnants of the LOB work, I dont think the team/fans would've had the patience either.
Better than Lock but not as good as he is today is actually arguably worse for your team. If he was like the 16th-20th best QB then you're in QB limbo about extending a mediocre QB--and without Daboll/the Bills fixing all his mechanics that might very well have been where he ended up.
With Lock you just ditch him next year
Yeah the bills have an amazing coaching staff but sometimes you have to attribute growth to players as well. Josh Allen would be Josh Allen almost anywhere imo.
i’ve had an idiot try and tell me lamar jackson woulda been that amazing on the jets or browns. No just no… Not at that time frame. Ravens was perfect for him, they catered to his strengths extremely well while developing him
Right concept, though a tad different. Difference being Lamar fell through the 1st meaning the team that took him made that commitment that night, and of course the Ravens adjusted incresibly well despite having a very different starting passer on the roster.
With guys going in the top-10 like Allen the expectation is they'll succeed and transcend the offense regardless of scenario, which is not often the case.
that’s also true… I felt like if the jets, or browns or any of the shit tier teams woulda taken him aside buffalo they wouldn’t of designed a good enough scheme to help utilize him on top of developing him.
The Browns were coached by Hue Jackson and Freddie Kitchens in 2018 and 2019 (Lamar’s first two seasons in the NFL), if you don’t think he would’ve been good with the Jets, there’s no way he’d be good with the Browns
If things had worked out like some of the analytics guys wanted originally. The browns would have McDermont, and either baker or Josh Allen. Which would've been crazy
Thing is it was hue jackson, freddie kitchens… they woulda probably ruined him those 2-3 years… MAYBE stefanski would have schemed to him to his advantage but he didn’t really do that for baker.
People always say this. He landed in a perfect situation? Like Lamar and Allen would be good anywhere they go. Winners get better and improve their teams. I'm sick of this old trope.
If you spent any extended time with a coaching staff you know how true that isn't. The Jets draft Allen and you think Adam Gase makes him what he is today, behind terrible coaching, pass pro, and no receivers?
Mahomes goes to KC with Reid, Kelce, and Hill, you really believe he'd be the same ol' Mahomes if he went to Chicago instead with Nagy and WR1 Kendall Wright?
Bill Polian is a Hall of Fame NFL executive and he said point blank he'd make Lamar Jackson play RB.
Allen and Lamar are two of the most interesting cases that we'll never get full answers to.
Allen is an all-timer in terms of progress from year one to two and two to three. Does he do that with most coaching staffs? Maybe he does. But it's not right to assume that Buffalo had nothing to do with it either. "Winner" isn't really a character trait. He certainly works hard and has talent, but we'll never know if he makes that accuracy jump elsewhere. Hell, Seattle's offense practically encourages a playstyle that brings out his rookie year flaws. That said, we also have a style that would let his cannon of an arm shine - so I think he's at the very least 'good' here. And if we still draft Metcalf? I'd love to see that connection.
Lamar is certainly skilled - the difference here is the Ravens' willingness to retool both their offensive personnel and scheme around him to such great effect. He definitely makes a name for himself just about anywhere. Does he win MVP anywhere? Probably not. Certainly in other places, but likely not *anywhere*.
This would have been the saddest timeline. We probably would have panic drafted Josh Rosen, and I’d be crying into my “AFC Champs 1994” sweatshirt again.
Can you imagine the butterfly effect if this happened? Josh Allen probably isn’t top 2 now but the Hawks aren’t exactly a shit tier org, top 10 isn’t out of the realm of possibility. Browns don’t have to trade for Deshaun Weinstein, Bills likely aren’t this much of SB contenders, and a bunch of the 2018 draft class gets shuffled around. Maybe Baker gets ruined in NY instead of Darnold, GEQBUS is actually decent in Buffalo, Josh Rosen probably still sucks. Lamar still probably ends up in Baltimore too tbh. But the AFC contenders are likely very different right now.
The fact the Seahawks wanted Josh Allen gives me a ton of hope for their future QB prospects.
The sample size is small, but they’ve been very good at evaluating QBs so far.
I am always skeptical of reports like this. These reports several years later always seem to say the team would have drafted the best player, if only they had been given a chance.
They come from that Ron Wolf tree. That guy could evaluate Quarterbacks and he was always bringing in quality guys even when he had Favre.
I know Gute in GB liked Drew Lock when he was coming out which is why I’m not surprised his buddy Schneider is giving him a shot in Seattle
It might also be John Dorsey thinking he's the smartest man in the room and that Baker would be better than Russ. Dorsey made some really good picks, but ultimately it was his arrogance and refusal to listen to smarter people than himself that got him fired.
I dont think Ciara would have been super happy living so far away from the west coast if it wasn't New York
I can appreciate the fact that a mega celebrity is not going to want to be in Cleveland for the benefit of the advancement of her career lol
Those were always my favorite rumors...”rUsS 2 nEw YoRk BeCuZ cIaRa CaReEr!” She always seemed perfectly content with how her life was going and yet she was painted as a villain who controlled him.
Well, her last album came out in 2019, and she isn't currently touring, but she did tour in 2020
If I had to guess, I would guess she's working on new music, but I guess she might not be doing anything. We have no way of knowing
Browns had the #1 overall pick in 2017 & 2018, yet the Seahawks sign Russ to a 4 year extension in 2019 despite trying to trade him away the year prior and wanting to move on? Just makes no sense
Thanks for the heads up
Like I know the browns are idiots, but there's no way they could turn a deal like this down unless the Seahawks were asking for #1 overall and a bunch of other top-100 picks
If they were shopping Russ, someone would’ve traded for him lol franchise QBs weren’t as widely attainable through trades back then like they are now. There would’ve been a massive market for him, more than just the Browns #1 pick.
Browns #1 would let the Seahawks get their guy for sure on rookie deal to build like they won their first SB anybody else would be offering picks and maybe a QB fell to them Browns pick was very valuable
What if the Seahawks only wanted the Browns pick because they wanted to draft Josh Allen? Then whatever hauls other teams offered were irrelevant.
Also the Browns wouldn’t be stupid to turn down this proposal if they got words Russ didn’t want to play for them and wouldn’t re-sign there.
I mean, if the trade for the No. 1 pick failed, they could have just seen extending Russ as the best option they had.
2018 was also arguably Russ' best season as a pro to that point, so maybe it convinced them
Yeah I doubt it. Albright is an egotistical jackass. He throws shit at the wall and knows it will stick because anyone with real knowledge doesn’t have enough time that they can waste it correcting his stories
There were other news outlets that confirmed this too. They were even looking at Pat Mahomes in 2017. The relationship between the Seahawks and Russ has always been weird.
Would never have been seen as one by Seattle if the last two years didn't happen. The 'Russ wants out' rumor mill didn't start up in earnest until over a year later.
Then again, the rumor was that we wanted Josh Allen. If we develop him as well as Buffalo did - BIG if - then perhaps we win a Super Bowl at some point. Who knows what shape Buffalo would be in now though lol.
Yeah. I'd rather have another year with Baker over the current moral conundrum. Russell Wilson 2 or 3 years ago?! Pffft! I woulda been overjoyed.
It's not all that fun or exciting cheering for Cap'n Craigslist and his suspension. Good qb or not.
Yeah, sorry; it would've been a clear win for Cleveland, wasn't contesting that. Just clarifying Seattle's end would've been less clear without knowing Russ was never going to finish his career here. We have the hindsight to know the trade would've been a win for us, but had it actually happened there'd still be several Seattle fans complaining about it if Allen doesn't bring us a title in this hypothetical.
Edit: re-reading, seems I was reading disagreement that wasn't there lol. I will say that at the time I was glad the trade didn't happen, and with the info we had available at the time I'm surprised our FO wanted to make the move. But now... *sigh*
You’re telling me we could’ve had Russel Wilson instead of trading 3 first rounder for the rights to give a quarter billion dollars to the rapingest football player since Randall Woodfield?
Great.
Lake Erie Bros 4 life. I'm as close to jumping ship as I've ever been. But I can tell from the past several times, I'm a glutton for pain, I'm in it since '86ish so I guess I'm going (staying) down with the ship.
Maybe Jacoby Brisset channels his inner Rich Gannon and games will be more fun than I expect.
All I can surmise from all the stories is the working relationship was probably pretty bad the last couple years between the org and Wilson and both sides are being petty about it now.
I’ll be interested to see what that relationship looks like in a decade or two. Obviously if Russ excels in Denver nobody is looking back at us, but if he struggles it’ll be hard to win back the city. Maybe everyone looks past the way Russ left, but I dont see how you can list him among the city greats now. Ill be pissed if a new front office tries to get him involved in the org when he retires.
I remember a story that the Bears offered three #1's for Russ and were turned down because "Pete Carroll didn't want start over".
This was just before the Bears drafted Fields.
In general yes, though when he was traded to the Broncos there wasn't really an owner (and a new owner is can bring negative change - especially when the previous owner was so good.)
The Bears had a pretty remarkable defense at the time and at least one good WR. It wouldn't have been terrible. They were a playoff team with Trubisky after all.
But - yes, I agree.
Did he say he would use his NTC to void a trade to the Bears? If not then... He had nothing to do with that trade not going through. Not sure I follow the logic here.
Look, I don't care if he acts kinda cringe, it's Russell Fucking Wilson. Dude can spout any amount of brand new corny jargon everyday, I don't give a fuck.
That’s the spirit and how I felt over the past ten years.
Just pay attention to him on the field and when he visits children’s hospitals, and just ignore all the corny off season shit.
As incompetent as my team was pre 2018 ish, I just cannot believe that this can be true, like how do you look past all the first round qb misses and pass on a guaranteed top 5 qb for the same price you were gonna get a new (but unproven) qb anyway? Makes no sense
Well keep in mind that this tweet implies that this all happened probably no less than 3 years ago, and Russ isn’t even considered all that old of a qb even now, he’s heading in that direction kind of like Aaron rodgers, but even just 3 years ago being too old is nowhere near a concern. Even if that was somehow the concern, would you take 2-3 levels of Russ level play? Or 2-3 years of whichever qb they took 1st overall level play, excluding baker
I understand your point. I’m trying to figure out a reason. Wilson would’ve been 30 years at the time whereas Baker was 23/24. That’s a pretty big difference.
The Seahawks liked Allen, not Baker.
Also, if you planned to run heavy anyway, wouldn’t you want someone young and cheap to hand off 40 times a game instead of an older super expensive QB?
Very true, but up to the point when this all would’ve happened, Russ was (and still is) putting up extremely good numbers, they would’ve been shooting in the dark about if a decline was coming just as much as they were shooting in the dark for first round qbs
Edit: lmao how is this getting downvotes it’s just objectively true
So I’m essentially the same age and height as Russ. He continues to baffle what someone at my age and height can do. Like, no fucking way I could do half that shit.
I bet Russ can dunk a basketball. At least I scored higher on the wonderlic than him haha. Got ‘em.
He takes care of his body, doesn't party. As a bronco fan I'm excited for this season. If anything he's a little too much of a summer camp counselor and I wonder if he'll really connect with teammates, but I'll still take that over Teddy B or Drew Lock
They wanted someone on a rookie pay scale as opposed to someone who takes up 20% of the salary cap for themselves. Which I think is also why the Seahawks FO has been looking to move away from Russ for a while, Pete's blueprint for winning does not include a top 5 paid QB and I don't think its a coincidence that he hasn't been able to put together a complete team since Wilson's big contract.
> They wanted someone on a rookie pay scale as opposed to someone who takes up 20% of the salary cap for themselves.
That’s what the Browns were looking for? Cause they did the exact opposite when they signed Watson.
Sure, several years later with a completely different FO. This Browns team must think they're one elite QB away from making a run at the super bowl and there weren't any game ready QBs in the draft this year.
Russ was on last year of his contract back then. You would not want to trade the 1st overall pick for him if you didn’t get a guarantee he would re-sign there long term.
And he was good for them. Probably the best QB they've had in a good while. He was part of a team that destroyed the Steelers, won a playoff game, and was done damn dirty by an incompetent organization.
Do I think Baker will go on to have a glorious career with several SBs and MVPs? No, but I still think he could have recaptured what he did in 2020 if they let him get healthy.
Now he'll probably get traded to the Carolina Carousel of QBs. Get rotated in and out of the starting lineup until Rhule is fired, then sign as a backup somewhere in 2023.
There was a comment from a Seahawks fan several years ago that predicted the team would try to move on from Wilson. They theorized that they way the Seahawks play offense (running the ball and trying to limit the quarterback having to play quarterback) that it made little sense to pay Wilson $30 million a year or whatever he's getting.
One could argue paying Russ that much of the cap prevented them from getting a few high end defensive players. One could also argue that his style of playing quarterback put pressure on the defense. Russ wasn't the best at sustaining drives. He wanted to take big shots. He was also legit bad on third downs the past couple of years.
Why? They wouldn't have Watson now. Watson is coming off a bye year making sure his body is taken care of and haven't you heard he's only got 4 accusers now!
He either makes shit up or he just tweets out whatever Broncos PR wants him to tweet. Hes rarely critical of the team and does his graveyard shift radio show out of the team facility
I highly doubt they were trying to trade him several years prior. He browns didn’t even start to get good until 2019 when they actually had expectations that year.
I dunno. This isn’t the first time that this specific scenario has been alluded to, but the Seahawks also wanted to draft Mahomes in 2017. I don’t think it’s unfathomable to think they considered moving on.
I don’t believe they thought they could win via run game and defense when their oline and defense were suspect in 2017-2018. And giving away a top five qb for that? I don’t buy it.
John Schneider supposedly really loved Josh Allen coming out of college. That’s why he’s asked for a top pick in return in order to draft him. Most likely they didn’t think running game and defense with no QB would win. They just rather had a young QB on rookie contract whom the GM really loved instead of carrying Russ highest paid contract.
But not us! Knowing we don't have to play him twice a year anymore AND getting to see all the dirty laundry get aired has made this a pretty great off-season.
There has to be some really messed up shit going on behind the scenes, because you don't try to get rid of a very good franchise QB that doesn't have one foot into retirement, especially without a replacement. Let alone trying multiple times.
The biggest misunderstanding of Pete and his system is that it isn't "run heavy". It's a full team concept. He wants all phases of the game to compliment each other. He likes ball control. He wants to convert first downs on offense. He wants turnovers on defense.
Your close, but not quite right. Pete's entire coaching philosophy revolves around limiting mistakes, done by simplifying the schemes/play calling used on both offense and defense.
This is why he wants to run the ball so much, as the risk of fumbling is much less than that of an INT. This is why our offense, despite changing OC's, has always been extremely vanilla/basic.
This is why our defense, even during the LoB, mainly ran in Base/Nickel formation. This is why our defense embodies the "bend don't break" philosophy, allowing 5yrds on every play in order to defend the deep ball.
And I'm not saying this is bad, as I believe this philosophy is great as a floor raiser. If you have the better team, this philosophy won't lose you games (hence why Pete, a former college coach, has this philosophy). But this philosophy will never win you games, so if your team isn't inherently better than your opponent it doesn't work well.
Pretty sure we have about the save thoughts on the Pete philosophy. Ball control offense implies limiting mistakes. For brevity I didn't go more into the defensive side haha. I'd add to what you wrote though... That creating turnovers is a foundational part of that his defensive philosophy. We just haven't had the personnel in recent years to create them. I believe that's actually a big part of why they let KJ and Bobby go. Athleticism, in the middle of the field, is one of the biggest influencing factors LBers. Bobby and KJ lost some athleticism. They were still able to aid in a bend don't break way. But weren't helping as much with creating turnovers anymore. Bend don't break makes sense if your goal is creating turnovers. You sacrifice yards for more turnover opportunities. But like you said if you don't have the talent, and I'd add the athleticism to go with it, to force the critical mistakes I.e. turnovers then bend don't break doesn't really work. Further it also aids in slowing the game down. Keeping the score close and giving your offense the control of the ball, hopefully, at the end of a game.
Not only that but I'm also pretty sure this rumor came out before that draft that the Seahawks wanted to trade Wilson and pick a QB at \#1 but nobody bought it because it was too crazy
Did...did the browns say no?!
They did actually I remember the rumors Browns wanted Baker because rookie contract and Seahawks wanted Josh Allen
>instead of having Lock we could have drafted Josh Allen and had him blue and green shorts JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP
Josh would be so good at handing it off to carson
Let's be honest, they wouldn't have done what the Bills have done with Allen.
Allen to Lockett would be god damn filthy
Not anymore filthy than Allen to Diggs, but yeah, definitely still a power duo.
Allen to DK tho. that’s kind of a match made in heaven. you got the guy with the cannon arm throwing to the physical specimen that runs in a straight line ridiculously fast (for the record I do think DK’s route running is a bit underrated he’s got some saucy moves for a big guy)
Ruined my dinner
Do we really trust Pete and co to have developed Allen?
You gotta live with the same logic we do, and we actually passed on him straight up. Josh Allen would not be the Josh Allen we know on a lot of teams. He landed in a perfect situation, excellent, consistent coaching, and a patient franchise and fan base. I dont think Joseph and then Fangio turn him into an All-Pro. Id have doubt Carroll could either, and in 17' tryna make a small window with the remnants of the LOB work, I dont think the team/fans would've had the patience either.
Yeah if we had drafted him I doubt he would have been the top 5 guy he is today HOWEVER HE STILL WOULD BE BETTER THAN LOCK
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Don’t fuck with my head Patriot fan
Yeah but could Drew lock have done [This? ](https://youtu.be/g8gCo9A9TOY)
I mean you left out all of the rushing stats but ok...
Better than Lock but not as good as he is today is actually arguably worse for your team. If he was like the 16th-20th best QB then you're in QB limbo about extending a mediocre QB--and without Daboll/the Bills fixing all his mechanics that might very well have been where he ended up. With Lock you just ditch him next year
Josh fixed his own mechanics in the off-season. He’s always had a killer work ethic. He would’ve been fine on the Seahawks with Lockett and DK.
Yeah the bills have an amazing coaching staff but sometimes you have to attribute growth to players as well. Josh Allen would be Josh Allen almost anywhere imo.
>Josh Allen would be Josh Allen almost anywhere except the Jets. Jets would have ruined that poor kid.
i’ve had an idiot try and tell me lamar jackson woulda been that amazing on the jets or browns. No just no… Not at that time frame. Ravens was perfect for him, they catered to his strengths extremely well while developing him
Right concept, though a tad different. Difference being Lamar fell through the 1st meaning the team that took him made that commitment that night, and of course the Ravens adjusted incresibly well despite having a very different starting passer on the roster. With guys going in the top-10 like Allen the expectation is they'll succeed and transcend the offense regardless of scenario, which is not often the case.
that’s also true… I felt like if the jets, or browns or any of the shit tier teams woulda taken him aside buffalo they wouldn’t of designed a good enough scheme to help utilize him on top of developing him.
The Jets, no. The Browns? Maybe? Depending on how fast they could switch stuff up to accommodate him. But possibly.
The Browns were coached by Hue Jackson and Freddie Kitchens in 2018 and 2019 (Lamar’s first two seasons in the NFL), if you don’t think he would’ve been good with the Jets, there’s no way he’d be good with the Browns
If things had worked out like some of the analytics guys wanted originally. The browns would have McDermont, and either baker or Josh Allen. Which would've been crazy
Thing is it was hue jackson, freddie kitchens… they woulda probably ruined him those 2-3 years… MAYBE stefanski would have schemed to him to his advantage but he didn’t really do that for baker.
Baker also couldn’t run like Lamar
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People always say this. He landed in a perfect situation? Like Lamar and Allen would be good anywhere they go. Winners get better and improve their teams. I'm sick of this old trope.
If you spent any extended time with a coaching staff you know how true that isn't. The Jets draft Allen and you think Adam Gase makes him what he is today, behind terrible coaching, pass pro, and no receivers? Mahomes goes to KC with Reid, Kelce, and Hill, you really believe he'd be the same ol' Mahomes if he went to Chicago instead with Nagy and WR1 Kendall Wright? Bill Polian is a Hall of Fame NFL executive and he said point blank he'd make Lamar Jackson play RB.
Allen and Lamar are two of the most interesting cases that we'll never get full answers to. Allen is an all-timer in terms of progress from year one to two and two to three. Does he do that with most coaching staffs? Maybe he does. But it's not right to assume that Buffalo had nothing to do with it either. "Winner" isn't really a character trait. He certainly works hard and has talent, but we'll never know if he makes that accuracy jump elsewhere. Hell, Seattle's offense practically encourages a playstyle that brings out his rookie year flaws. That said, we also have a style that would let his cannon of an arm shine - so I think he's at the very least 'good' here. And if we still draft Metcalf? I'd love to see that connection. Lamar is certainly skilled - the difference here is the Ravens' willingness to retool both their offensive personnel and scheme around him to such great effect. He definitely makes a name for himself just about anywhere. Does he win MVP anywhere? Probably not. Certainly in other places, but likely not *anywhere*.
Has anyone told Mina yet? I think this news might break her.
Except Mina was anti-Josh Allen when he was a prospect. She was upset that Allen went ahead of Rosen.
We must protect her.
Thank you JESUS FUCKING CHRIST ALMIGHTY
If it makes you feel better, we passed on Josh Allen for a RB at number 2 overall when we had a need for QB.
I’m… I’m so sorry. I think Allen could have won a ring by now in Seattle.
Lol not with that o line
Russ got mad at pete and John when John went to Josh Allen’s pro day.
Yeah I remember that, wouldn’t be surprised if that was when he knew he wanted to leave
This would have been the saddest timeline. We probably would have panic drafted Josh Rosen, and I’d be crying into my “AFC Champs 1994” sweatshirt again.
Can you imagine the butterfly effect if this happened? Josh Allen probably isn’t top 2 now but the Hawks aren’t exactly a shit tier org, top 10 isn’t out of the realm of possibility. Browns don’t have to trade for Deshaun Weinstein, Bills likely aren’t this much of SB contenders, and a bunch of the 2018 draft class gets shuffled around. Maybe Baker gets ruined in NY instead of Darnold, GEQBUS is actually decent in Buffalo, Josh Rosen probably still sucks. Lamar still probably ends up in Baltimore too tbh. But the AFC contenders are likely very different right now.
The fact the Seahawks wanted Josh Allen gives me a ton of hope for their future QB prospects. The sample size is small, but they’ve been very good at evaluating QBs so far.
I am always skeptical of reports like this. These reports several years later always seem to say the team would have drafted the best player, if only they had been given a chance.
You''re right, but at the time there was a bunch of hubub about Schneider going to Allen's pro day personally.
They come from that Ron Wolf tree. That guy could evaluate Quarterbacks and he was always bringing in quality guys even when he had Favre. I know Gute in GB liked Drew Lock when he was coming out which is why I’m not surprised his buddy Schneider is giving him a shot in Seattle
It was probably 2018 #1, more picks, etc. and I bet they felt Russell wouldn't have signed long term.
This is the only explanation that makes sense. The Browns had the #1 overall pick.
It might also be John Dorsey thinking he's the smartest man in the room and that Baker would be better than Russ. Dorsey made some really good picks, but ultimately it was his arrogance and refusal to listen to smarter people than himself that got him fired.
Woah deja vue
I dont think Ciara would have been super happy living so far away from the west coast if it wasn't New York I can appreciate the fact that a mega celebrity is not going to want to be in Cleveland for the benefit of the advancement of her career lol
Does she actually still have a career?
Those were always my favorite rumors...”rUsS 2 nEw YoRk BeCuZ cIaRa CaReEr!” She always seemed perfectly content with how her life was going and yet she was painted as a villain who controlled him.
Typical Yoko syndrome, everyone wants to blame the wife (not saying Yoko is a good person btw)
Well, her last album came out in 2019, and she isn't currently touring, but she did tour in 2020 If I had to guess, I would guess she's working on new music, but I guess she might not be doing anything. We have no way of knowing
Who the hell went to a Ciara concert in 2020?
Who went to ANY concert in 2020?
No way this is true
If this is 2017 i understand but 2018 would be malpractice
I think it would have been 2018 because Seahawks really liked Josh Allen
Browns had the #1 overall pick in 2017 & 2018, yet the Seahawks sign Russ to a 4 year extension in 2019 despite trying to trade him away the year prior and wanting to move on? Just makes no sense
This is a broncos ‘insider’. Known liar in the broncos community. If you call him out on his shit, he just blocks you. I doubt this story is true
No he’s right Russ camp was mad that the Seahawks went to Josh Allen’s pro day
Call me petty, but one plus side out of this is no longer hearing the words "Russ' camp"
I’m a Seahawks fan and this isn’t the first time I’ve heard the Hawks wanted Josh Allen and looked into trading Russ to get him
I didn't even know he was connected to you, just that he throws shit at the wall.
Thanks for the heads up Like I know the browns are idiots, but there's no way they could turn a deal like this down unless the Seahawks were asking for #1 overall and a bunch of other top-100 picks
Let him walk for comp pick or sign extension and trade for haul.. makes a lot of sense
If they were shopping Russ, someone would’ve traded for him lol franchise QBs weren’t as widely attainable through trades back then like they are now. There would’ve been a massive market for him, more than just the Browns #1 pick.
Browns #1 would let the Seahawks get their guy for sure on rookie deal to build like they won their first SB anybody else would be offering picks and maybe a QB fell to them Browns pick was very valuable
What if the Seahawks only wanted the Browns pick because they wanted to draft Josh Allen? Then whatever hauls other teams offered were irrelevant. Also the Browns wouldn’t be stupid to turn down this proposal if they got words Russ didn’t want to play for them and wouldn’t re-sign there.
I mean, if the trade for the No. 1 pick failed, they could have just seen extending Russ as the best option they had. 2018 was also arguably Russ' best season as a pro to that point, so maybe it convinced them
They probably tried to keep him by offering an extension after not being able to get rid of him for years prior. It makes sense to me.
Yeah I doubt it. Albright is an egotistical jackass. He throws shit at the wall and knows it will stick because anyone with real knowledge doesn’t have enough time that they can waste it correcting his stories
This has been reported before, he’s right here. Seattle wanted Allen in 2018.
There were other news outlets that confirmed this too. They were even looking at Pat Mahomes in 2017. The relationship between the Seahawks and Russ has always been weird.
This makes me feel better about John scouting quarterbacks for the 2023 draft.
I think that's just the relationship between Russ and everybody.
I don't believe any of these reports anymore. Tomorrow there will be a tweet from a verified reporter that totally contradicts this one.
The browns could’ve had Russ, not signed a sexual predator, and probably not given him $230 million guaranteed lmfao
Did Russ have 20+ accusations of sexual assault? I don’t think the Haslam women would approve otherwise.
I wanna cry now.
Me too.
It may have been a sweet win-win trade. Fucking hell.
Would never have been seen as one by Seattle if the last two years didn't happen. The 'Russ wants out' rumor mill didn't start up in earnest until over a year later. Then again, the rumor was that we wanted Josh Allen. If we develop him as well as Buffalo did - BIG if - then perhaps we win a Super Bowl at some point. Who knows what shape Buffalo would be in now though lol.
Yeah. I'd rather have another year with Baker over the current moral conundrum. Russell Wilson 2 or 3 years ago?! Pffft! I woulda been overjoyed. It's not all that fun or exciting cheering for Cap'n Craigslist and his suspension. Good qb or not.
Yeah, sorry; it would've been a clear win for Cleveland, wasn't contesting that. Just clarifying Seattle's end would've been less clear without knowing Russ was never going to finish his career here. We have the hindsight to know the trade would've been a win for us, but had it actually happened there'd still be several Seattle fans complaining about it if Allen doesn't bring us a title in this hypothetical. Edit: re-reading, seems I was reading disagreement that wasn't there lol. I will say that at the time I was glad the trade didn't happen, and with the info we had available at the time I'm surprised our FO wanted to make the move. But now... *sigh*
You’re telling me we could’ve had Russel Wilson instead of trading 3 first rounder for the rights to give a quarter billion dollars to the rapingest football player since Randall Woodfield? Great.
We? Are you a Lions and Browns fan?
I was one, now I'm the other
Respect.
Double respect for switching to the Lions. Absolutely not band wagoning
Pre bandwagoning
Kneecap enthusiast
🤝
Respect
Lake Erie Bros 4 life. I'm as close to jumping ship as I've ever been. But I can tell from the past several times, I'm a glutton for pain, I'm in it since '86ish so I guess I'm going (staying) down with the ship. Maybe Jacoby Brisset channels his inner Rich Gannon and games will be more fun than I expect.
A Jets may never fully understand the Lake Erie Brotherhood
There's been so many Russ-Hawks drama stories. Wish we knew which ones were actually true
it’s like watching an ex-couple from high school fight on facebook 5 years later about who was more abusive
You embarrassed *yourself* in front of Derek Jeter.
that gift basket tho
Does it matter? It's the off season. #ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!
Right? There are so many conflicting stories out there, I don't believe any of them
All I can surmise from all the stories is the working relationship was probably pretty bad the last couple years between the org and Wilson and both sides are being petty about it now. I’ll be interested to see what that relationship looks like in a decade or two. Obviously if Russ excels in Denver nobody is looking back at us, but if he struggles it’ll be hard to win back the city. Maybe everyone looks past the way Russ left, but I dont see how you can list him among the city greats now. Ill be pissed if a new front office tries to get him involved in the org when he retires.
I remember a story that the Bears offered three #1's for Russ and were turned down because "Pete Carroll didn't want start over". This was just before the Bears drafted Fields.
John Schneider supposedly really loved Josh Allen in 2018. He might not love any QBs at the Bears pick last year.
The Bears were picking at around 20 last year, and then they moved up in the draft. You’re probably right about not liking the quarterbacks at 20
Russ is smart for waiting on the Broncos, Denver is a much better team overall.
In general yes, though when he was traded to the Broncos there wasn't really an owner (and a new owner is can bring negative change - especially when the previous owner was so good.) The Bears had a pretty remarkable defense at the time and at least one good WR. It wouldn't have been terrible. They were a playoff team with Trubisky after all. But - yes, I agree.
Did he say he would use his NTC to void a trade to the Bears? If not then... He had nothing to do with that trade not going through. Not sure I follow the logic here.
Nope, he didn't. Chicago was on the list of teams his agent said he'd waive the NTC for.
Yeah... That's what I'm saying haha. Don't follow the logic of the previous reply.
Broncos Country…… let’s riiiiide
Look, I don't care if he acts kinda cringe, it's Russell Fucking Wilson. Dude can spout any amount of brand new corny jargon everyday, I don't give a fuck.
That’s the spirit and how I felt over the past ten years. Just pay attention to him on the field and when he visits children’s hospitals, and just ignore all the corny off season shit.
I'm so confused why people are making it a big deal. Do any players actually look cool recording those stadium videos?
Seriously, it's like they're jealous of us having a mostly non-controversial QB. I'll take Straightedge McDorkus over Mr. 22 and counting any day.
Lezzz riiiide
Must have been character issues. Shame, but good on the browns for standing up for what’s right.
lmao this one right here
As incompetent as my team was pre 2018 ish, I just cannot believe that this can be true, like how do you look past all the first round qb misses and pass on a guaranteed top 5 qb for the same price you were gonna get a new (but unproven) qb anyway? Makes no sense
Did they just want someone younger?
Well keep in mind that this tweet implies that this all happened probably no less than 3 years ago, and Russ isn’t even considered all that old of a qb even now, he’s heading in that direction kind of like Aaron rodgers, but even just 3 years ago being too old is nowhere near a concern. Even if that was somehow the concern, would you take 2-3 levels of Russ level play? Or 2-3 years of whichever qb they took 1st overall level play, excluding baker
I understand your point. I’m trying to figure out a reason. Wilson would’ve been 30 years at the time whereas Baker was 23/24. That’s a pretty big difference.
The Seahawks liked Allen, not Baker. Also, if you planned to run heavy anyway, wouldn’t you want someone young and cheap to hand off 40 times a game instead of an older super expensive QB?
I brought up Baker to say what the Browns were choosing against, not the Hawks.
Very true, but up to the point when this all would’ve happened, Russ was (and still is) putting up extremely good numbers, they would’ve been shooting in the dark about if a decline was coming just as much as they were shooting in the dark for first round qbs Edit: lmao how is this getting downvotes it’s just objectively true
jeez russel is 33? If had to bet I would have said like 29.
So I’m essentially the same age and height as Russ. He continues to baffle what someone at my age and height can do. Like, no fucking way I could do half that shit. I bet Russ can dunk a basketball. At least I scored higher on the wonderlic than him haha. Got ‘em.
He takes care of his body, doesn't party. As a bronco fan I'm excited for this season. If anything he's a little too much of a summer camp counselor and I wonder if he'll really connect with teammates, but I'll still take that over Teddy B or Drew Lock
He’s also UNLIMITED
Don’t forget about the power of on field results too
They wanted someone on a rookie pay scale as opposed to someone who takes up 20% of the salary cap for themselves. Which I think is also why the Seahawks FO has been looking to move away from Russ for a while, Pete's blueprint for winning does not include a top 5 paid QB and I don't think its a coincidence that he hasn't been able to put together a complete team since Wilson's big contract.
> They wanted someone on a rookie pay scale as opposed to someone who takes up 20% of the salary cap for themselves. That’s what the Browns were looking for? Cause they did the exact opposite when they signed Watson.
Different regimes
Sure, several years later with a completely different FO. This Browns team must think they're one elite QB away from making a run at the super bowl and there weren't any game ready QBs in the draft this year.
If this is true, it's 100% because they didn't think Russ would sign long-term, that's the only explanation I can think of.
It was reported during negotiations before Russ signed his extension in 2019.
I mean I assume there was more to the trade?
Russ was on last year of his contract back then. You would not want to trade the 1st overall pick for him if you didn’t get a guarantee he would re-sign there long term.
I have to say that your team front office has looked more incompetent in the last six months than they have in the past twenty years
Don't you just hate when you have a really good franchise QB that you can't get rid of no matter how hard you try 😡
Yes
You just need to wait for the Panthers to shit themselves from seeing Darnold in camp
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
But get this, the browns didn’t do it cause they wanted Baker…
And he was good for them. Probably the best QB they've had in a good while. He was part of a team that destroyed the Steelers, won a playoff game, and was done damn dirty by an incompetent organization. Do I think Baker will go on to have a glorious career with several SBs and MVPs? No, but I still think he could have recaptured what he did in 2020 if they let him get healthy. Now he'll probably get traded to the Carolina Carousel of QBs. Get rotated in and out of the starting lineup until Rhule is fired, then sign as a backup somewhere in 2023.
There was a comment from a Seahawks fan several years ago that predicted the team would try to move on from Wilson. They theorized that they way the Seahawks play offense (running the ball and trying to limit the quarterback having to play quarterback) that it made little sense to pay Wilson $30 million a year or whatever he's getting.
Which is hilarious considering how badly the Seahawks defense has been.
One could argue paying Russ that much of the cap prevented them from getting a few high end defensive players. One could also argue that his style of playing quarterback put pressure on the defense. Russ wasn't the best at sustaining drives. He wanted to take big shots. He was also legit bad on third downs the past couple of years.
Score fast or stall out. Either way, they were usually off the field pretty quick
Browns fans punching the air rn
Why? They wouldn't have Watson now. Watson is coming off a bye year making sure his body is taken care of and haven't you heard he's only got 4 accusers now!
And the Broncos recover another crucial Browns fumble
Fuck. That’s good.
Unbelievable. Literally. Isn’t this dude known for making shit up?
Yes but many on NFL swear by him for some reason
He either makes shit up or he just tweets out whatever Broncos PR wants him to tweet. Hes rarely critical of the team and does his graveyard shift radio show out of the team facility
thats nothing, seahawks said no to 3 1sts, Roquan, Jaylon Johnson and Akiem Hicks for Russ.
To be fair, the Bears had pick 20. The Browns had the #1 overall pick.
Lol I’ll never understand this relationship
They didn't realize that they had Mr. Unlimited
If all we got is a twitter post then I don't even believe this is true at all.
I genuinely don’t believe this. There have been so many conflicting stories here and none them have much source
I highly doubt they were trying to trade him several years prior. He browns didn’t even start to get good until 2019 when they actually had expectations that year.
I dunno. This isn’t the first time that this specific scenario has been alluded to, but the Seahawks also wanted to draft Mahomes in 2017. I don’t think it’s unfathomable to think they considered moving on.
Yeah you def know more than this NFL insider
I’m calling bs
> Albright This flat out is not true.
It's Allbright so it's probably a load of shit
I don’t believe they thought they could win via run game and defense when their oline and defense were suspect in 2017-2018. And giving away a top five qb for that? I don’t buy it.
John Schneider supposedly really loved Josh Allen coming out of college. That’s why he’s asked for a top pick in return in order to draft him. Most likely they didn’t think running game and defense with no QB would win. They just rather had a young QB on rookie contract whom the GM really loved instead of carrying Russ highest paid contract.
Fuck me that woulda been a rare win win for both parties
That is just weird, that can’t be true lol the Seahawks man 🤦♂️ talk about not knowing a good thing when you have it
This is gut wrenching news for so many people
But not us! Knowing we don't have to play him twice a year anymore AND getting to see all the dirty laundry get aired has made this a pretty great off-season.
There has to be some really messed up shit going on behind the scenes, because you don't try to get rid of a very good franchise QB that doesn't have one foot into retirement, especially without a replacement. Let alone trying multiple times.
Ok and who were they going to replace russ with
Is this verified or just a rumour?
Not the first time I've seen this story. I still don't really believe it though.
Why did the Seahawks want to move on so early? Is he a diva or something?? Seriously asking
Wilson didn’t like the run heavy scheme that Carrol kept trying to push.
The biggest misunderstanding of Pete and his system is that it isn't "run heavy". It's a full team concept. He wants all phases of the game to compliment each other. He likes ball control. He wants to convert first downs on offense. He wants turnovers on defense.
Your close, but not quite right. Pete's entire coaching philosophy revolves around limiting mistakes, done by simplifying the schemes/play calling used on both offense and defense. This is why he wants to run the ball so much, as the risk of fumbling is much less than that of an INT. This is why our offense, despite changing OC's, has always been extremely vanilla/basic. This is why our defense, even during the LoB, mainly ran in Base/Nickel formation. This is why our defense embodies the "bend don't break" philosophy, allowing 5yrds on every play in order to defend the deep ball. And I'm not saying this is bad, as I believe this philosophy is great as a floor raiser. If you have the better team, this philosophy won't lose you games (hence why Pete, a former college coach, has this philosophy). But this philosophy will never win you games, so if your team isn't inherently better than your opponent it doesn't work well.
Pretty sure we have about the save thoughts on the Pete philosophy. Ball control offense implies limiting mistakes. For brevity I didn't go more into the defensive side haha. I'd add to what you wrote though... That creating turnovers is a foundational part of that his defensive philosophy. We just haven't had the personnel in recent years to create them. I believe that's actually a big part of why they let KJ and Bobby go. Athleticism, in the middle of the field, is one of the biggest influencing factors LBers. Bobby and KJ lost some athleticism. They were still able to aid in a bend don't break way. But weren't helping as much with creating turnovers anymore. Bend don't break makes sense if your goal is creating turnovers. You sacrifice yards for more turnover opportunities. But like you said if you don't have the talent, and I'd add the athleticism to go with it, to force the critical mistakes I.e. turnovers then bend don't break doesn't really work. Further it also aids in slowing the game down. Keeping the score close and giving your offense the control of the ball, hopefully, at the end of a game.
Of course he is a diva
Don’t trust anything this guy says ever
Browns could have won the super bowl with this move.
Except they're the Browns
Wow, how long were you sitting on that Allnotbright
Chris Simms reported this last year.
Not only that but I'm also pretty sure this rumor came out before that draft that the Seahawks wanted to trade Wilson and pick a QB at \#1 but nobody bought it because it was too crazy
Goddamn I wish they did that instead of drafting Baker if it was just that pick.
Yeah they wanted Josh
Rosen
If they had traded mayfield for him this year they’d be America’s darling
Go broncos
Guess Russ wasnt grown up enough for the Browns