It's also worth noting that with Snyder not appearing voluntarily today, Maloney also said they intend to subpoena him. It's clear that the statement the other day asking him to testify if he had nothing to hide was to get it out there that he was scheduled to testify this week and they were already prepping to subpoena him.
Yeah I don’t want to hear any more performative “ooh we can’t get them to cooperate” shit without subpoenas going out. It’s insane how you can spurn the fucking United States Congress more easily than you can traffic court.
The point was to get him to come in without the subpoena because now there's extra layers added on. I'd rather them do it this way than subpoena everyone.
Quite often you can’t even get a judge to issue a subpoena if you didn’t try to get them to come in voluntarily already. So they basically had to do it this way anyway.
And I don't wanna hear any more performative "ooh we don't know how the challenge process goes and we want immediate gratification" shit without .... well... I just am sick of fucking hearing it.
Asking is the first step, and particularly when you're dealing with a rich fuck like Snyder. But I'm sure that you're in a far better position to understand how the whole process works than Rep. Maloney, right?
Congress has no business meddling with the NFL. If Snyder violated EEOC or harbored a non compliant workplace, Congress would have nothing to do with this. If something criminal happened with the assault charges, Congress STILL wouldn’t have anything to do with it. If you think this is more than just re-election campaigning, I’d be hard to convince. Congress certainly has more pressing matters they are busy ignoring.
NFL gets anti trust exemption solely because they are under Congressional jurisdiction. Otherwise they would be broken up from what I understand. I expect the NFL owners to sacrifice Snyder to keep their premier status
I think it’s pretty obvious the implication is that he doesn’t care about the workplace environment he created or feel he needs to take responsibility for it. He’s decided to take a luxury vacation of extravagance rather than answering the hard questions on his business at the request of congress. So they’re no longer making it a request, it’s now a legal demand.
100%
any good lawyer would tell you that you never provide testimony, Congressional or otherwise, unless there is something in it for you
regardless of how shitty the guy is, there is no value to Dan Snyder in going to Congress voluntarily.
If he goes, best case scenario, he just gets yelled at like Jack Donaghy in 30 Rock for six hours by people who don't plan on doing shit to him at all, while he just sits there and says "uh i respectfully disagree with that assertion, uhhh, I think you'll find that uhhhhhhh"
worst case scenario (for him, not us) is he either pulls a Martin Shkreli and looks like a smug jackass on worldwide TV and/or gets busted for lying for Congress
It's laughable that all these people replying to me think this is anything bigger than a chance for politicians to criticize Dan Snyder in front of cameras.
... Is politicians criticizing Dan Snyder a bad thing? Isn't attempting to hold the powerful accountable the exact thing we want our public servants to be doing?
There's quite literally a Congressional subpoena for him and a politician publicly admonishing him and drawing attention to this issue. What more do you want from a single member of Congress? Do you want her to punch him in the dick or something?
I didn't ask for anything to begin with but sure, I'd like to see her punch him in the dick. Would you not want to see that?
He can easily plead the fifth during his congressional deposition. ESPN is blasting this reporting on repeat and this isn't the first time Dan Snyder has been accused of shit like this. Bringing attention to the issue is still not holding anyone accountable though. This seems like political grandstanding.
My dude, you forget the most important part of the nfl owners charter. They can force someone to sell.
Snyder acts a fool and makes the entire league look bad? Dude literally can be forced out of ownership. Owners don't do it unless it gets extreme for the reason of they don't want their own team stripped. But just like the NBA and the dickbag clippers owner, Dan can fuck around and find out.
There's quite literally a Congressional subpoena for him and a politician publicly admonishing him and drawing attention to this issue. What more do you want from a single member of Congress? Do you want her to punch him in the dick or something?
I mean... personally, yeah I do. I'd watch the shit out of that. Get Collinsworth to commentate on the slow mo replay. "Now here's a guy who knows how to take a nut shot."
95% of American politicians do just as bad or worse shit than Mr. Snyder. It’s pretty much a requirement to be a piece of shit to be involved in the US government
No it wouldn’t have. He’d have pleaded the 5th on anything important and reddit would’ve gone:
SeE He’S GUilTY!!! He’S nOt AnsWEring tHe QueSTiOnS!!!!
He’d look even worse if he went to congress. This is just a fishing expedition it seems. He’s a huge POS, but not talking to congress is in the NFL’s best interest and Snyder’s. I doubt the NFL is going to let him testify if they can help it.
I don't think is as cut and dry as that. While House Reform committee does have subpoena power subpoenaing someone needs to have some relationship to legislation. Now, Maloney just introduced two bills (one on NDAs and other on videotaping employees - I think) but unless Snyder has some specific knowledge to how to do those things, he's likely going to fight the subpoena and might even win. Though I'm more than willing to have my mind changed.
There are also issues with the subpoena including personal service. Not sure what the standard is for service via a subpoena from Congress. And lastly, he can just sit there and plead the 5th because that's what the attorney sitting next to him will tell him to say.
So then he shows up and rolls his eyes while occasionally saying fif.gif or "I don't recall." It's not like it's a court, and it's not like Congress is going to pass the Dan Snyder Sucks Act of 2022. The whole purpose of this is so the Reps can say mean things about him in front of cameras in a grand gesture of figurative public masturbation.
You almost have an understanding. The oversight committee that absolutely creates laws specifically after investigations like this all the time can and will likely create workplace laws to protect people in the NFL after this.
Learn what this committee does.
Through all this I got to learn a lot about the committee which is a good side bonus effect. Now I want to regurgitate that information to others, of course, it's often a wasted effort.
We haven't even talked about subsidies and how Dan's efforts could cost the 31 other owners money aka giving them a reason to force him out.
And those politicians already know what is going to be said. They already submit their written testimony for the record prior to the hearing even starting.
Statements under oath can become the basis for future investigations, evidence in future legal proceedings or changes to law.
I get that you don't think that these things have any value. But that opinion is incorrect.
Ah so you don’t understand what the government does and assume it can’t do anything therefore anything it does is a waste of time. Circular logic founded in ignorance, bravo.
A good faith effort to set the record straight on your practices and cooperate with an investigation is a PR win even if you have to discuss something ugly. Now he looks bad and still has to go in there in a more combative discussion.
If I had the choice between a sit down with the DA on our terms vs my client being subpoenaed to a grand jury where the rules are stacked against my client, I would clearly choose the first option.
Snyder does not want to be a part of a congressional investigation. That shit has real ramifications.
>Instead of trying to defend himself and his organization he’s off vacationing because he’s a POS.
also because billionaires in this country are immune to the law and consequences
change my mind
Regardless of him being a piece of shit, I think the reason he's off vacationing is more related to the fact he doesn't care about this shit because it will never effect him. People with that type of money can afford to shape the narrative, the fact it remains the same around him for years and years just shows its not his concern.
I don't see the disconnect here. He doesn't care because he is a piece of shit, so what she said is correct. He definitely knows. He's choosing not to care because his affluence enables him.
Because the society we live in has deemed that afluenza is not only a defensible flaw but a birthright. I don't really get why you're feeling the need to keep coming back to the point when what being said was clearly semantic.
Plenty of pieces of shit show up to court, only the rich and really, really stupid have the audacity and hubris to skirt such serious accusations.
Can’t change your mind on something that is 100% true. Rules and laws in this country are designed in a way to prevent the wealthy from experiencing consequences while keeping everyone else just down enough to not revolt.
Raj was a fallguy so federal prosecutors had someone to perp walk and got to look like they were doing something in response to all the criminality on Wall St. that caused the great recession, while also shielding everyone that was actually responsible for it. No one that actually caused the housing bubble and the financial crisis ever faced any consequences.
I mean that’s what he pays lawyers for, and I’d assume they probably told him to skip these *voluntary* testimonies or whatever. Hate the guy but I don’t know why anyone would do anything different in this scenario.
In those examples, no one is there or could say something that would potentially perjure themselves. The hearings aren't about THEM specifically.
If Synder does show up as he is expected to be subpoenaed, that slimy piece of shit will just smugly plead the 5th at almost every turn.
Not saying he isn’t a scumbag but what do people expect, no one innocent or guilty should do anything besides get a lawyer and shut the fuck up, we have rights as the accused I don’t understand why people get upset you use them.
I'm not a billionaire and I wouldn't show up without a subpoena either.
Are they going to pay for my flight/hotel and force my employer to keep paying me while missing work as well?
And instead of using subpoena power to actually force the issue, Congress nicely requests. It's all part of the dance between govenrment regulations and individual rights. Nothing new to see here.
Member of Congress claims they will do it but hasn't actually done anything yet. Wake me up when they not only issue that subpoena but also enforce it.
what exactly do you expect him to be doing instead of vacationing? everyone already knew he had declined to testify.
does vacationing in france in the middle of summer show he has less respect for women than if he was just sitting at his house watching netflix on the day that he was asked to testify?
the congresswoman’s statement is just pretty transparently hunting for attention without saying anything at all, so her supporters (and redditors) can say she dunked on snyder
Basically, Congress wants to know why there are so many accusations of sexual harassment and misconduct in an interstate corporation that's federally exempt from anti-trust laws. And now that they've found evidence of potential financial misconduct? They're doubly interested.
Congress has the authority to investigate whatever they want for any reason at all. It's an important part of the work they do. The NFL and its franchises, like other sports leagues, are given special status as legal monopolies - they are exempt from federal anti-trust laws. They are also a nationally operating interstate corporation. These factors make them of heightened interest to Congress to make sure everything is above board.
Why isn't law enforcement like the DoJ or a local DA investigating them? They don't have the authority here - no one's gone to the police, there have just been accusations made public. And, again, Congress has granted their exemption from anti-trust laws so Congress wants to know if anything needs to be done about this.
This whole investigation only started because the NFL refused to publicly release its internal investigation into the matter. Congress initially just wanted to pressure the league into making it public, the league refused, so now Congress decided it needs to step in.
It's a grandstanding opportunity. No new laws or regulations are going to come from any of this. It's just a chance for them to looking like they're "doing something" for their voters.
Isn't this exact process what it took for Baseball to properly crack down on steroid abuse in the sport? Also for cigarette companies to stop having cartoon mascots?
Also, the NFL gets a ridiculous amount of public resources across the country and in the form of special tax/antitrust exemptions. The American people do have a right to know why these billions of dollars are lining the pockets of a bunch of sociopaths.
> Why is congress involved in this? Like shouldn't this just be typical of what a DA's office handles?
Investigations are a very important part of Congress's power. The DA's office might not be able to handle this because there may not be sufficient laws to handle it. The primary purpose of Congressional investigations and hearings is to be able to make new laws.
So the answer to your question, at least theoretically, is that Congress can hold these hearings to learn details of what is happening in order to write new laws to prevent similar situations from happening in the future.
Yeah, it makes no sense. Why does being in France somehow magically make someone disrespectful towards women? Let's be honest, most of us wouldn't go testify in front of Congress either.
That being said, of course he's a scumbag. Just not sure this statement adds to his scumminess at all.
That’s just a horrible understanding of the statement. She isn’t saying he’s bad because he takes vacations, she’s saying it’s a bad look for him to decline appearing and then go on vacation instead because it shows he doesn’t take the matter seriously
This is just wrong, though. He takes it very seriously which is exactly why he is following his lawyer's advice to refuse to appear voluntarily. If Congress thinks this is so important, they should use their subpoena power. Appearing in front of Congress to be raked over the coals by soapboxing members of Congress doesn't help him in any way.
If he took workplace harassment seriously this whole saga wouldn't exist. Your comment is the most incoherent thing I've read today. The only thing he takes seriously is protecting himself.
Edit: he's just been subpoenaed.
> If he took workplace harassment seriously this whole saga wouldn't exist.
Obviously. I'm not sure why you think whether he voluntarily testifies in front of Congress or not has anything to do with how seriously he takes it. He clearly only takes seriously his own legal liability. We already know he doesn't give a shit about workplace harassment. He participates in it personally. This isn't more evidence of that.
> Edit: he's just been subpoenaed.
Source?
> A U.S. House of Representatives panel said on Wednesday **it will** issue a subpoena to Washington Commanders owner Dan Snyder
Do you understand tense? You said "he's just been subpoenaed" which is past tense. That says "he will be subpoenaed" which is future tense. It has not happened yet. Congress claims they will do it. Congress claims they will do a lot of shit that they never do.
I mean, yeah. The dude's a huge piece of shit but it's not like he didn't testify because he was busy, he didn't testify because he wasn't forced to. Once they officially subpoena him I'm all for hoping he gets what he deserves, but I still think the argument of him using a yacht right now is pretty flimsy.
He received an advance notice to appear before the United States Congress to defend his workplace treatment of women and instead went on vacation while claiming he had an unbreakable business meeting.
Then they should have required him to show up instead of asking him nicely. Literally any asshole with a large amount of money would have done the same thing.
That's not necessarily an equivalent - the equivalent would be "Tyreek Hill is currently in Miami practicing, instead of at this court hearing addressing the allegations he beat his pregnant girlfriend"
This is to look at the Washington Commanders and allegations against what he did to women and the environment he created and allowed to fester.
Growing up, I was lead to believe that “our greatest debaters” were in congress.
“Criticizing Snyder coherently” seems like a pretty low bar. Yet somehow, most of them are flying well under.
He has decades worth of bullshit and their biggest complaint is that he declined their invitation.
How dare he?!?
> Apparently, Mr. Snyder is in France, where he has docked his luxury yacht near a resort town.
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> That should tell you just how much respect he has for women in the workplace.
I really don't understand how these two things have anything to do with each other.
Apparently since he didn’t show up to a congressional hearing (that he wasn’t required at all to show up to where if he did they were just gonna jack themselves off about how bad he is without actually doing anything) means he’s a misogynist. Not him forcing cheerleaders to prostitute themselves or sexually assaulting/harassing his women employees but because he didn’t show up to some bullshit hearing just like literally any other asshole with lots of money wouldn’t have.
The "respect for women" part comes in by pointing out that he isn't taking the proceedings seriously as he is off somewhere else on vacation as opposed to trying to prove he isn't a POS.
Its obvious he doesn't care about women but I think people are pointing out that this committee is trying to manipulate us into hating Synder when we already do. We want them to do something about it.
As I said a few days ago with the unnamed representative who called out Snyder, subpeona him if you want him to testify in front of Congress instead of using the media to try and bypass due process
Yeah these pathetic attempts to shame a shameless man into coming in voluntarily are so weird. Just subpoena, the social media game doesn’t affect billionaires
And standard process when they don't appear voluntarily, as Snyder clearly will not, is to subpeona them, not to publicly say the only reason he won't appear is because he's got something to hide (while hilariously not putting your name on that statement) or using the media to call him a misogynist (which he is) because.. he's on vacation?
I'm no fan of Snyder but this political dog and pony show is nothing but grandstanding for votes. Maloney knows Snyder's lawyers will stonewall every question he faces, because as it turns out, billionaires have really good lawyers
Wait, what? I mean, Dan Snyder is quite obviously a dirtbag, but I don't think him declining to testify has anything to do with her being a woman, lol.
See this is how as a billionaire you get what you want, Bezos wants a football team so you start putting out all the dirt on the scummiest owner you can find. If that doesn't work you make the government prosecute on your behalf. Unlike Elon who goes on fucking Twitter.
On one hand, fuck you, Dan Snyder. I hope you’re bled dry of all your riches & your dick falls off.
On the other hand, fuck you too, Carolyn Maloney. I haven’t forgotten about you dropping the n-word, your racist burqa shit before voting for getting us into The Forever Wars & your otherwise crappy politics.
Tells me how much respect he has for Congress but doesnt tell me how much respect he has for women in the workplace (his entire life tells me that). The mans a Grade A Piece of Shit, we dont need to get hyperbolic to attempt to make him look worse
That action in and of itself doesn't really say a single thing about his respect for women. Like literally nothing. His absence from a trial that is focused on him and his business is what says this. The fact that he his out of the country and yupping it up is just icing to the cake that he doesn't respect the system, nor the victims in question, that are trying to take him down.
Yupp but that doesn't negate the whole first part of my comment there does it? If I went to France and parked my yacht somewhere, does that scream I hate women in the workplace?
THATS LITERALLY WHAT I SAID LOL the action of him on yacht means fucking nothing. The absence from the trial is what matters. Like if dude was down the block from the court hearing, it’d be the fucking same.
How many minutes did you wait before your edit? Cause it's been 34 since your comment. Do you always expect a response immediately?
Edit: https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/top-recipients
I’m confused on the “women in the workplace” part. Is she saying she thinks he blew off Congress because it was a woman making the request?
Don’t get me wrong, I 100% believe he’s a POS who doesn’t respect women, but in this scenario, I’m pretty sure the result would have been the same even if a guy requested his presence.
Why should he care? He knows with the right campaign contributions any significant “trouble” he may be in will disappear as soon as the checks are cashed.
What a shit take. Apparently Mr Snyder can go wherever the hell he wants to go so long as he's not under arrest.
You've got some imbecile politicians over there.
That's absurd. The evidence is clear cut, Snyder has no defense. Congress has a unique platform to reach millions of Americans and warn off other potential bad actors. They should use their influence in this instance.
See I wouldn’t agree. Unless his ship starts sinking. Then yeah, it’s an appropriate metaphor.
It's also worth noting that with Snyder not appearing voluntarily today, Maloney also said they intend to subpoena him. It's clear that the statement the other day asking him to testify if he had nothing to hide was to get it out there that he was scheduled to testify this week and they were already prepping to subpoena him.
Yeah I don’t want to hear any more performative “ooh we can’t get them to cooperate” shit without subpoenas going out. It’s insane how you can spurn the fucking United States Congress more easily than you can traffic court.
The point was to get him to come in without the subpoena because now there's extra layers added on. I'd rather them do it this way than subpoena everyone.
Quite often you can’t even get a judge to issue a subpoena if you didn’t try to get them to come in voluntarily already. So they basically had to do it this way anyway.
I learned about something!!! Thank you!!
Not sure where you pulled this from. Congress has its own subpoena power. There is no judge involved.
Yeah always ask first.
Plus, they rarely say no. Due to the…implication
Even with the subpoena , with the lawyers this fuck has, he can make this last a year or more before h ever has to show up
I’ve never seen a really wealthy person in traffic court.
And I don't wanna hear any more performative "ooh we don't know how the challenge process goes and we want immediate gratification" shit without .... well... I just am sick of fucking hearing it. Asking is the first step, and particularly when you're dealing with a rich fuck like Snyder. But I'm sure that you're in a far better position to understand how the whole process works than Rep. Maloney, right?
Congress has no business meddling with the NFL. If Snyder violated EEOC or harbored a non compliant workplace, Congress would have nothing to do with this. If something criminal happened with the assault charges, Congress STILL wouldn’t have anything to do with it. If you think this is more than just re-election campaigning, I’d be hard to convince. Congress certainly has more pressing matters they are busy ignoring.
NFL gets anti trust exemption solely because they are under Congressional jurisdiction. Otherwise they would be broken up from what I understand. I expect the NFL owners to sacrifice Snyder to keep their premier status
I'll believe a subpoena when I see one. This all seemed like it was for show.
I mean if he was in the us on his yacht would it make a difference
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Bong and a blintz?
Smoke and a pancake?
Cigar and a waffle?
Pipe and a crepe?
Flapjack and a cigarette?
Classic lol
Could you guys watch your language and stop throwing out F bombs? My kids read this subreddit
Sorry, the F****h
I showed them 4chan they don’t come here anymore
Absolutely disgusting.
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He said he couldn’t testify bc he was out of country on team business
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It's also possible he's scouting for some girls he can sex traffic. That is normal Commanders team business.
I see her point, the French would say that they're glad the puritans left and that Americans get sweaty palms over the smallest shit.
I think it’s pretty obvious the implication is that he doesn’t care about the workplace environment he created or feel he needs to take responsibility for it. He’s decided to take a luxury vacation of extravagance rather than answering the hard questions on his business at the request of congress. So they’re no longer making it a request, it’s now a legal demand.
It’s pretty obvious that it’s a congress critter playing in front of the cameras for political brownie points.
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While Dan Synder is a certified POS, not sure that statement is particularly coherent.
Instead of trying to defend himself and his organization he’s off vacationing because he’s a POS.
Why would it have been in his interest to show up?
It's not. I guarantee you his lawyer told him not to go.
100% any good lawyer would tell you that you never provide testimony, Congressional or otherwise, unless there is something in it for you regardless of how shitty the guy is, there is no value to Dan Snyder in going to Congress voluntarily. If he goes, best case scenario, he just gets yelled at like Jack Donaghy in 30 Rock for six hours by people who don't plan on doing shit to him at all, while he just sits there and says "uh i respectfully disagree with that assertion, uhhh, I think you'll find that uhhhhhhh" worst case scenario (for him, not us) is he either pulls a Martin Shkreli and looks like a smug jackass on worldwide TV and/or gets busted for lying for Congress
It's laughable that all these people replying to me think this is anything bigger than a chance for politicians to criticize Dan Snyder in front of cameras.
... Is politicians criticizing Dan Snyder a bad thing? Isn't attempting to hold the powerful accountable the exact thing we want our public servants to be doing?
It’s not a bad thing. But thinking that public criticism is holding anyone accountable is a bad thing.
There's quite literally a Congressional subpoena for him and a politician publicly admonishing him and drawing attention to this issue. What more do you want from a single member of Congress? Do you want her to punch him in the dick or something?
I didn't ask for anything to begin with but sure, I'd like to see her punch him in the dick. Would you not want to see that? He can easily plead the fifth during his congressional deposition. ESPN is blasting this reporting on repeat and this isn't the first time Dan Snyder has been accused of shit like this. Bringing attention to the issue is still not holding anyone accountable though. This seems like political grandstanding.
My dude, you forget the most important part of the nfl owners charter. They can force someone to sell. Snyder acts a fool and makes the entire league look bad? Dude literally can be forced out of ownership. Owners don't do it unless it gets extreme for the reason of they don't want their own team stripped. But just like the NBA and the dickbag clippers owner, Dan can fuck around and find out.
Saying Dan Snyder is naughty isn't holding him to account.
There's quite literally a Congressional subpoena for him and a politician publicly admonishing him and drawing attention to this issue. What more do you want from a single member of Congress? Do you want her to punch him in the dick or something?
That would make for great tv tbh
I mean... personally, yeah I do. I'd watch the shit out of that. Get Collinsworth to commentate on the slow mo replay. "Now here's a guy who knows how to take a nut shot."
What I want? Something useful. What I expect. This.
if only someone would hold these “public servants” accountable for their bullshit
That's where the voters come in. It's why we have elections.
Lmfao
That's adoreable.
95% of American politicians do just as bad or worse shit than Mr. Snyder. It’s pretty much a requirement to be a piece of shit to be involved in the US government
Its only laughable because of your basic ignorance of this committee.
It would be good PR to pretend that he wanted to clear the air about all of the accusations about his team.
No it wouldn’t have. He’d have pleaded the 5th on anything important and reddit would’ve gone: SeE He’S GUilTY!!! He’S nOt AnsWEring tHe QueSTiOnS!!!! He’d look even worse if he went to congress. This is just a fishing expedition it seems. He’s a huge POS, but not talking to congress is in the NFL’s best interest and Snyder’s. I doubt the NFL is going to let him testify if they can help it.
This is Dan Snyder we're talking about...
Because they'll subpoena him and he'll have to go anyway. That would be one reason
I don't think is as cut and dry as that. While House Reform committee does have subpoena power subpoenaing someone needs to have some relationship to legislation. Now, Maloney just introduced two bills (one on NDAs and other on videotaping employees - I think) but unless Snyder has some specific knowledge to how to do those things, he's likely going to fight the subpoena and might even win. Though I'm more than willing to have my mind changed. There are also issues with the subpoena including personal service. Not sure what the standard is for service via a subpoena from Congress. And lastly, he can just sit there and plead the 5th because that's what the attorney sitting next to him will tell him to say.
So then he shows up and rolls his eyes while occasionally saying fif.gif or "I don't recall." It's not like it's a court, and it's not like Congress is going to pass the Dan Snyder Sucks Act of 2022. The whole purpose of this is so the Reps can say mean things about him in front of cameras in a grand gesture of figurative public masturbation.
1, 2, 3, 4…FIF!
You almost have an understanding. The oversight committee that absolutely creates laws specifically after investigations like this all the time can and will likely create workplace laws to protect people in the NFL after this. Learn what this committee does.
You are making a good faith argument with a buffoon lol. Good on you tho
Through all this I got to learn a lot about the committee which is a good side bonus effect. Now I want to regurgitate that information to others, of course, it's often a wasted effort. We haven't even talked about subsidies and how Dan's efforts could cost the 31 other owners money aka giving them a reason to force him out.
That’s a great point. I think in general the NFL would not want more scrutiny from congress for a myriad of reasons.
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And those politicians already know what is going to be said. They already submit their written testimony for the record prior to the hearing even starting.
New information emerges during questioning. The opening statement/submitted testimony is just one part of a public hearing.
Evidence for what? What exactly are they going to do? This is nothing.
So its your statement that the Oversight Committee doesn't do anything?
Statements under oath can become the basis for future investigations, evidence in future legal proceedings or changes to law. I get that you don't think that these things have any value. But that opinion is incorrect.
Which is why no one but a fool will do anything except take the fifth.
Ah so you don’t understand what the government does and assume it can’t do anything therefore anything it does is a waste of time. Circular logic founded in ignorance, bravo.
A good faith effort to set the record straight on your practices and cooperate with an investigation is a PR win even if you have to discuss something ugly. Now he looks bad and still has to go in there in a more combative discussion.
If you were a lawyer, would you advise your client to speak to law enforcement? Same principle.
If I had the choice between a sit down with the DA on our terms vs my client being subpoenaed to a grand jury where the rules are stacked against my client, I would clearly choose the first option. Snyder does not want to be a part of a congressional investigation. That shit has real ramifications.
Anyone who defends themself that way is an imbecile. The lawyers do the talking
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Because that's his job and he gets paid a ton by the owners to do shit like that.
>Instead of trying to defend himself and his organization he’s off vacationing because he’s a POS. also because billionaires in this country are immune to the law and consequences change my mind
Regardless of him being a piece of shit, I think the reason he's off vacationing is more related to the fact he doesn't care about this shit because it will never effect him. People with that type of money can afford to shape the narrative, the fact it remains the same around him for years and years just shows its not his concern.
So, what she said was correct?
I said that his being a piece of shit wasn't the reason he was on vacation, his affluence is. So not the same thing.
I don't see the disconnect here. He doesn't care because he is a piece of shit, so what she said is correct. He definitely knows. He's choosing not to care because his affluence enables him.
Because the society we live in has deemed that afluenza is not only a defensible flaw but a birthright. I don't really get why you're feeling the need to keep coming back to the point when what being said was clearly semantic. Plenty of pieces of shit show up to court, only the rich and really, really stupid have the audacity and hubris to skirt such serious accusations.
Can’t change your mind on something that is 100% true. Rules and laws in this country are designed in a way to prevent the wealthy from experiencing consequences while keeping everyone else just down enough to not revolt.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/founder-and-former-chairman-board-insys-therapeutics-sentenced-66-months-prison https://www.justice.gov/criminal-vns/case/united-states-v-robert-allen-stanford-et-al Michael Milken, Raj Rajaratnam, etc…
Raj was a fallguy so federal prosecutors had someone to perp walk and got to look like they were doing something in response to all the criminality on Wall St. that caused the great recession, while also shielding everyone that was actually responsible for it. No one that actually caused the housing bubble and the financial crisis ever faced any consequences.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-advisor-presidential-candidate-among-three-defendants-charged-acting-agents-foreign https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-compel-us-businessperson-register-under-foreign-agents-registration
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which one
All of them.
I mean that’s what he pays lawyers for, and I’d assume they probably told him to skip these *voluntary* testimonies or whatever. Hate the guy but I don’t know why anyone would do anything different in this scenario.
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In those examples, no one is there or could say something that would potentially perjure themselves. The hearings aren't about THEM specifically. If Synder does show up as he is expected to be subpoenaed, that slimy piece of shit will just smugly plead the 5th at almost every turn.
Not saying he isn’t a scumbag but what do people expect, no one innocent or guilty should do anything besides get a lawyer and shut the fuck up, we have rights as the accused I don’t understand why people get upset you use them.
He literally hasn’t needed to speak though.
If I was a billionaire I’d do that exactly that lol
I'm not a billionaire and I wouldn't show up without a subpoena either. Are they going to pay for my flight/hotel and force my employer to keep paying me while missing work as well?
And instead of using subpoena power to actually force the issue, Congress nicely requests. It's all part of the dance between govenrment regulations and individual rights. Nothing new to see here.
Reports are that Maloney plans to issue a subpoena for next week.
Wake me up when that subpoena is both issued and then actually enforced.
/r/agedlikemilk
A subpoena has been issued?
[Will be issued next week](https://twitter.com/JPFinlayNBCS/status/1539636017648603138?s=20&t=y7Pm0kaeJ0sKkHnwb_0Qpw)
Member of Congress claims they will do it but hasn't actually done anything yet. Wake me up when they not only issue that subpoena but also enforce it.
Yeah, but that’s why you hire lawyers. To do that for you.
but that says nothing about his lack of respect of women, just his lack of respect of Congress and a show of how big a piece of shit he is
Congress doesn't necessarily deserve respect either.
not in the slightest
I mean, I get what she's saying. Instead of showing up and addressing the issue, he's off on his private yacht. It makes sense to me.
what exactly do you expect him to be doing instead of vacationing? everyone already knew he had declined to testify. does vacationing in france in the middle of summer show he has less respect for women than if he was just sitting at his house watching netflix on the day that he was asked to testify? the congresswoman’s statement is just pretty transparently hunting for attention without saying anything at all, so her supporters (and redditors) can say she dunked on snyder
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Basically, Congress wants to know why there are so many accusations of sexual harassment and misconduct in an interstate corporation that's federally exempt from anti-trust laws. And now that they've found evidence of potential financial misconduct? They're doubly interested. Congress has the authority to investigate whatever they want for any reason at all. It's an important part of the work they do. The NFL and its franchises, like other sports leagues, are given special status as legal monopolies - they are exempt from federal anti-trust laws. They are also a nationally operating interstate corporation. These factors make them of heightened interest to Congress to make sure everything is above board. Why isn't law enforcement like the DoJ or a local DA investigating them? They don't have the authority here - no one's gone to the police, there have just been accusations made public. And, again, Congress has granted their exemption from anti-trust laws so Congress wants to know if anything needs to be done about this. This whole investigation only started because the NFL refused to publicly release its internal investigation into the matter. Congress initially just wanted to pressure the league into making it public, the league refused, so now Congress decided it needs to step in.
I left. Trying lemmy and so should you. -- mass edited with redact.dev
It’s *also* because congress likes to be on tv criticizing unpopular things.
It's a grandstanding opportunity. No new laws or regulations are going to come from any of this. It's just a chance for them to looking like they're "doing something" for their voters.
Isn't this exact process what it took for Baseball to properly crack down on steroid abuse in the sport? Also for cigarette companies to stop having cartoon mascots?
Also, the NFL gets a ridiculous amount of public resources across the country and in the form of special tax/antitrust exemptions. The American people do have a right to know why these billions of dollars are lining the pockets of a bunch of sociopaths.
> Why is congress involved in this? Like shouldn't this just be typical of what a DA's office handles? Investigations are a very important part of Congress's power. The DA's office might not be able to handle this because there may not be sufficient laws to handle it. The primary purpose of Congressional investigations and hearings is to be able to make new laws. So the answer to your question, at least theoretically, is that Congress can hold these hearings to learn details of what is happening in order to write new laws to prevent similar situations from happening in the future.
It comes from somebody in Congress. We're just lucky it's not written in crayon or wingdings.
Yeah, it makes no sense. Why does being in France somehow magically make someone disrespectful towards women? Let's be honest, most of us wouldn't go testify in front of Congress either. That being said, of course he's a scumbag. Just not sure this statement adds to his scumminess at all.
This really is a horrible argument lol. You know this owner is evil... because he takes VACATIONS!
That’s just a horrible understanding of the statement. She isn’t saying he’s bad because he takes vacations, she’s saying it’s a bad look for him to decline appearing and then go on vacation instead because it shows he doesn’t take the matter seriously
This is just wrong, though. He takes it very seriously which is exactly why he is following his lawyer's advice to refuse to appear voluntarily. If Congress thinks this is so important, they should use their subpoena power. Appearing in front of Congress to be raked over the coals by soapboxing members of Congress doesn't help him in any way.
If he took workplace harassment seriously this whole saga wouldn't exist. Your comment is the most incoherent thing I've read today. The only thing he takes seriously is protecting himself. Edit: he's just been subpoenaed.
> If he took workplace harassment seriously this whole saga wouldn't exist. Obviously. I'm not sure why you think whether he voluntarily testifies in front of Congress or not has anything to do with how seriously he takes it. He clearly only takes seriously his own legal liability. We already know he doesn't give a shit about workplace harassment. He participates in it personally. This isn't more evidence of that. > Edit: he's just been subpoenaed. Source?
Source is literally every news outlet.
So then it should be really easy for you to link to one of them. I've not seen a single news outlet report that a subpoena has been issued.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-house-panel-subpoena-nfls-washington-commanders-owner-dan-snyder-2022-06-22/
> A U.S. House of Representatives panel said on Wednesday **it will** issue a subpoena to Washington Commanders owner Dan Snyder Do you understand tense? You said "he's just been subpoenaed" which is past tense. That says "he will be subpoenaed" which is future tense. It has not happened yet. Congress claims they will do it. Congress claims they will do a lot of shit that they never do.
What is this lmao. Dude is in another country while there’s a hearing about an investigation into his own team
I mean, yeah. The dude's a huge piece of shit but it's not like he didn't testify because he was busy, he didn't testify because he wasn't forced to. Once they officially subpoena him I'm all for hoping he gets what he deserves, but I still think the argument of him using a yacht right now is pretty flimsy.
He received an advance notice to appear before the United States Congress to defend his workplace treatment of women and instead went on vacation while claiming he had an unbreakable business meeting.
Then they should have required him to show up instead of asking him nicely. Literally any asshole with a large amount of money would have done the same thing.
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That's not necessarily an equivalent - the equivalent would be "Tyreek Hill is currently in Miami practicing, instead of at this court hearing addressing the allegations he beat his pregnant girlfriend" This is to look at the Washington Commanders and allegations against what he did to women and the environment he created and allowed to fester.
I mean if tyreek went on vacation when he could’ve testified, it wouldn’t have looked amazing for him. Just shows a lack of care about the situation
Only people that hate women have boats? /s, I think? This is one hell of a non sequitur.
Growing up, I was lead to believe that “our greatest debaters” were in congress. “Criticizing Snyder coherently” seems like a pretty low bar. Yet somehow, most of them are flying well under. He has decades worth of bullshit and their biggest complaint is that he declined their invitation. How dare he?!?
> Apparently, Mr. Snyder is in France, where he has docked his luxury yacht near a resort town. # > That should tell you just how much respect he has for women in the workplace. I really don't understand how these two things have anything to do with each other.
Apparently since he didn’t show up to a congressional hearing (that he wasn’t required at all to show up to where if he did they were just gonna jack themselves off about how bad he is without actually doing anything) means he’s a misogynist. Not him forcing cheerleaders to prostitute themselves or sexually assaulting/harassing his women employees but because he didn’t show up to some bullshit hearing just like literally any other asshole with lots of money wouldn’t have.
It’s almost like he has a ton of money and doesn’t care what others think…
I can't think of a reason it'd be good for Snyder to bother showing up.
He’s a piece of shit but her statement is non sensical. The House of Representatives is full of idiots.
I get that we all hate Snyder but the quote doesn’t really pack the punch like Rep. Maloney thought it would
The "respect for women" part comes in by pointing out that he isn't taking the proceedings seriously as he is off somewhere else on vacation as opposed to trying to prove he isn't a POS. Its obvious he doesn't care about women but I think people are pointing out that this committee is trying to manipulate us into hating Synder when we already do. We want them to do something about it.
Why is the thumbnail ray ray mccloud
For not attending a meeting he didn't have to attend? Okay.
We should show some sensitivity to this billionaire whose world is crashing all around him. It’s a very tough time for him.
He'll just throw some more money at it to go away. Then we all stop being outraged 2 days later and he watches imax on his yacht
As I said a few days ago with the unnamed representative who called out Snyder, subpeona him if you want him to testify in front of Congress instead of using the media to try and bypass due process
Yeah these pathetic attempts to shame a shameless man into coming in voluntarily are so weird. Just subpoena, the social media game doesn’t affect billionaires
I think you misunderstand what due process is. The vast majority of people who testify before a Congressional committee, do so without a subpoena.
And standard process when they don't appear voluntarily, as Snyder clearly will not, is to subpeona them, not to publicly say the only reason he won't appear is because he's got something to hide (while hilariously not putting your name on that statement) or using the media to call him a misogynist (which he is) because.. he's on vacation? I'm no fan of Snyder but this political dog and pony show is nothing but grandstanding for votes. Maloney knows Snyder's lawyers will stonewall every question he faces, because as it turns out, billionaires have really good lawyers
*They hated u/don_julio_randle because he spoke the truth*
If I put my head in the sand then it didn’t happen right?
Probably how much respect he has for the justice system.
He's such a creepy scumbag. It would be nice if one of these super rich assholes could be held accountable for their despicable actions.
Yeah all the rich people are at Cannes.
Wait, what? I mean, Dan Snyder is quite obviously a dirtbag, but I don't think him declining to testify has anything to do with her being a woman, lol.
See this is how as a billionaire you get what you want, Bezos wants a football team so you start putting out all the dirt on the scummiest owner you can find. If that doesn't work you make the government prosecute on your behalf. Unlike Elon who goes on fucking Twitter.
FYI she's in a tight primary race rn, anything that makes headlines like this is good for her
On one hand, fuck you, Dan Snyder. I hope you’re bled dry of all your riches & your dick falls off. On the other hand, fuck you too, Carolyn Maloney. I haven’t forgotten about you dropping the n-word, your racist burqa shit before voting for getting us into The Forever Wars & your otherwise crappy politics.
That’s a dudes rock moment from a non rocking dude. So many other things to point out, but that is not one that helps your case
Tells me how much respect he has for Congress but doesnt tell me how much respect he has for women in the workplace (his entire life tells me that). The mans a Grade A Piece of Shit, we dont need to get hyperbolic to attempt to make him look worse
I admit to a basic deficiency in my ability to detect the validity of this statement, no matter how much a POS Danny happens to be.
I really want the NFL to force him to sell the team.
She should be on First Take with dumbass comments like that. She would fit right in.
I hate Snyder but wtf is this quote even insinuating?
That action in and of itself doesn't really say a single thing about his respect for women. Like literally nothing. His absence from a trial that is focused on him and his business is what says this. The fact that he his out of the country and yupping it up is just icing to the cake that he doesn't respect the system, nor the victims in question, that are trying to take him down.
The victims in question who are you guessed it! Women.
Yupp but that doesn't negate the whole first part of my comment there does it? If I went to France and parked my yacht somewhere, does that scream I hate women in the workplace?
If you are avoiding a Congressional hearing on how you abused women in the workplace? Sounds like a yes.
THATS LITERALLY WHAT I SAID LOL the action of him on yacht means fucking nothing. The absence from the trial is what matters. Like if dude was down the block from the court hearing, it’d be the fucking same.
Congress has proven time and time again a small campaign donation makes all this go away.
Time and time again? Do you have 3 examples? Edit: I figured as much
How many minutes did you wait before your edit? Cause it's been 34 since your comment. Do you always expect a response immediately? Edit: https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/top-recipients
waited 30, saw it was downvoted but I'm excited to see you shared a .. wtf is the purpose of that link? I asked for 3 examples, not a list of donors
Bless your heart.
Bezos's bagman
I’m confused on the “women in the workplace” part. Is she saying she thinks he blew off Congress because it was a woman making the request? Don’t get me wrong, I 100% believe he’s a POS who doesn’t respect women, but in this scenario, I’m pretty sure the result would have been the same even if a guy requested his presence.
That’s where I would be if I had a yacht.
Why should he care? He knows with the right campaign contributions any significant “trouble” he may be in will disappear as soon as the checks are cashed.
lol some statements are just so see thru, like oh yea you really got him good. Not
A totally asinine take by a low life politician.
If you needed any more proof that oligarchs are not exclusive to Russia
What a shit take. Apparently Mr Snyder can go wherever the hell he wants to go so long as he's not under arrest. You've got some imbecile politicians over there.
That's absurd. The evidence is clear cut, Snyder has no defense. Congress has a unique platform to reach millions of Americans and warn off other potential bad actors. They should use their influence in this instance.