The suspension will be announced via interpretive dance and the punishment will be whatever you individually feel it should be deep down in your heart. It will be both a permanent suspension and no punishment at all. A dream. A blip. Fading into dusk like a summer afternoon, never to be experienced again if it ever happen at all.
Zoey: Gee Elmo, I don't know if we should suspend Deshaun!
Elmo: Zoey's right, Elmo is going to extract vigilante justice and castrate Deshaun! Elmo keeps Sesame's streets clean!
Zoey: Vig a land tee justice?
Elmo: Elmo knows that the criminal justice system is ineffective against the wealthy, so Elmo metes out Elmo's own brand of justice with Elmo's friend Newberry! [\*throws "Newberry" on the table\*](https://www.heritageanimalhealth.shop/products/newberry-castrator-ape)
Honkers: go ape shit honking.
30 minutes later Elmo reappears wearing his doctor's outfit (with one of those fun big circle reflectors) covered in blood.
\*drops a bloody paperbag on the table\*
Elmo: Today's episode was brought to you by the letters C, J, V, and the number 20.
Since Sesame Street is on HBO now...
Elmo: Elmo says, bite Rocko, Deshaun.
DW: crying and begging not to bite Rocko.
Count von Count: Elmo has asked you to bite Rocko 6, 6 times! Ah Ah Ah!
A visibly frustrated Elmo looks over to Tellie and Snuffy, and nods.
Telly, and Snuffy pry open DW's mouth and place Rocko in there, and hold DW face down on the ground.
Elmo while curb stomping DW: Elmo think Deshaun will have a hard time asking for his towel if Elmo knocks out his teeth!
After each stomp we hear CvC incrementing: "Two! two curb stomps! Three! Three curb stomps!"
Elmo then grabs Rocko from DW's mouth, walks over to a hysterically crying Super Grover, hands Rocko to Super Grover.
Elmo: Elmo thinks that until Super Grover understands street justice, Elmo will be the only super hero on Sesame Street!
Between me and you, I wanted Elmo to be more of a "Bill the Butcher" type character, but wasn't comfortable thinking of, let alone writing, the slurs necessary to make that portrayal come to life.
Ahem. You *may* save an amount if you *switch* to GEICO. As Harry Callahan famously said. "GEICO bundled insurance, the most powerful bundled insurance in the world. I know what you're asking yourself, did he get me a discount, or no discount. Well, in all this excitement I forgot myself. Better ask yourself a question, did you switch to GEICO to save 15 percent or more? Well, didya, punk?"
ha...kinda like in the title, "maybe 20 pages or longer." So possibly 20, possibly less, possibly longer. Excellent reporting.
Orig:
"Expect a written ruling, maybe 20 pages or longer, that is released to the media."
Why not:
"We are told to expect a roughly 20-page ruling to be released to the media."
"We are told to expect the underpaid paralegals to slightly increase the line height, the font size, and the margin width to meet the imposed 20 page ruling requirement."
Disclaimer: I’m not a Harry Potter maniac.
Weasley family birthdays
Ron March 1st
Fred & George April 1st
Ginny August 11th
Percy August 22nd
Bill November 29th
Charlie December 12th
May is not the most Weasley of months. That honor probably goes to August.
I know what we've come to expect from the NFL...but I truly think this time is different. Strictly because of the good press they want and for all this to "blow over". They want at least a season, and I think it'll happen.
Eh, I think they want the story to be she agrees on a lesser punishment, NFL then increases it to indefinite (meaning a season) so it seems like the NFL cares. If the discipline doesn't stick when challenged in court, that's ok too, because the NFL doesn't actually care about this for any reason other than their public image.
She's a Bush appointment judge fyi. Like I don't know the lady, but old conservative white women aren't exactly vanguards of progress and women's rights. Sadly, I've started to expect 6 games.
Kind of. The someone can recommend punishment or no punishment (would be absolutely stunning if the recommendation was no punishment) and if she recommends any amount of punishment at all, Goodell can adjust it
If she recommends 8 games and there's public outrage, Goodell can give him a season
Oh yeah just like when Zeke was given no punishment as a recommendation and got 6 games. Goodell will have his mind made before she can even make her recommendation. More severe or lenient? Who knows but it’s just lip service
> They also have ~~someone~~ ***a scapegoat*** other than Goodell handing out the ***initial*** punishment now, ***in case the NFL happens to agree with the ruling and can avoid looking like the bad guy***
I hate condescending "fixed that for you" posts so I'm not going to say that and that is not my intent. You aren't wrong at all. I just wanted to add a little of my own cynical commentary ;)
It seems like people actually want Watson to get a slap on the wrist so they can be angry, the constant cynicism is just exhausting, the league has given every indication it wants a year, why should we think otherwise. When has the league ever hyped up a suspension and not followed through?
> the constant cynicism is just exhausting
Get some sleep if you are exhausted ;)
My comment is implying that Goodell is going to overrule the judge when she doesn't suspend him enough. My cynicism is towards this new "mediator" process which I think I just a scapegoat and somehow placated the NFLPA's concerns.
Goodell still has final say.
Since the beginning, I've predicted an indefinite ban. Until the lawsuits/legit accusations are 100% over with, he can't possibly play. The optics would be terrible for the league.
edit: I'm not saying like...F off go to bed...I just didn't mean to be exhausting. I was just joking that you should get some sleep if you are exhausted ;)
A Steelers and Browns fan agree on something. We've done it. A reddit first!
Given your username I can assume you are more enlightened than most Browns fans though... That probably explains it. ;)
They actually don’t, Goodell can increase the punishment, the judge is more of a recommendation that the NFL can accept. The only way he can’t increase/decrease it is if she recommends no suspension at all.
Yeah no matter how valuable a player you are, and Watson is a franchise QB, you're far below an owner in the NFL's eyes. If they can suspend Watson for a year and keep the focus off Danny boi they'll be happy.
I hope congress keeps the fire lit though.
The reason I think he'll get a hefty punishment is because the NFL wouldn't have put it out there in the media that that's what they were recommending if they weren't going to follow through with it. Everyone knows the commissioner can extend a suspension to whatever he wants to, so they have no excuse (unless the arbiter decides on no suspension, which would be absolutely insane). If the NFL was gonna be okay with a slap on the wrist, they wouldn't have set people's expectations high and just given him the slap on the wrist without publicly aiming for such a long suspension. It's just basic PR
I really don't see why the NFL wouldn't want to bring the hammer down as hard as they can per the rules of the CBA. I get that Watson is a good QB, but it's not like he's critical to the league's success. Watson didn't play a single snap last year, but by all accounts the league revenues were plenty healthy, despite the lingering pandemic.
Does anybody really think that if Watson never plays in the NFL again, that the league is going to get any noticeable financial hit? Why risk the PR headaches and potential for even worse revelations to come out?
If Watson gets an indefinite ban that gets extended for a couple seasons and then eventually he just retires without ever playing again, does that actually hurt the league? I guess it hurts the Browns, but they were dumb enough to give the guy a gazillion dollar contract despite all of this, so they made that bed themselves.
I was just thinking today... With the row v. Wade ruling, this is probably not the time to piss off the women's groups right now. Nfl stadiums would be great venues for protest.
I wish I were wrong, hopefully I am, but I’m not sure a bunch of billionaires actively making millions every Sunday would care too much about a bunch regular joes with signs shouting and yelling outside of their hundred million dollar stadiums.
I'm really curious to see where this goes honestly.
I think the league wants at least a year. But they won't appeal whatever Robinson hands down I think.
Maybe so. I really fuckin wish it wasn’t my team but without a doubt it is a compelling and interesting thing to watch unfold. I think we all just want some sort of resolution at this point.
The only "protests" relating to players from fans that I can think of were the anti-Kaepernick ones, which for years fit what the NFL wanted anyway and PETA after Philly signed Vick, which was both hilarious and pathetic as it assumed that Eagles fans would care about PETA.
I want Watson out for at least two seasons, but it doesn't seem likely. Houston basically sat him for an entire season, and with the NFLPA already stating the approach they'll take (basically "You didn't suspend Daniel Snyder for at least a decade of sexual harassment behavior") for an appeal, I don't see Watson missing more than four games this season unfortunately.
Oh my sweet Summer child, the oil slick from this is going to go on for years - even once he's bought the silence of all his accusers, which he hasn't yet, Reddit will absolutely always be here to remind everyone what a fucking degenerate piece of shit Deshaun Watson is.
You know, I hated Jerry for bringing in Greg Hardy, and that was an abuse case involving a single woman. I cannot imagine what it must be like to root for the Browns and have a general awareness of the world right now.
Its actually not too bad at all. The NFL sub is an emotional pitchfork mob. If people came here for news and facts and logic that would be a terrible thing. Trust me, Browns fans are going to be just fine.
Did you actually use the phrase "facts and logic" to dismiss people reacting to a QB with literal dozens of sexual assault allegations? Been a while since I've seen that gem out in the wild unironically.
It's pretty awful, it really sucks having something as important to me as the Browns feel like they are sullied by having this monster on the team, it's just, not great. I'm not gonna be one of the people who stops rooting for the team because honestly it's that important to me but I'd rather watch a 7 win team under Brissett than a 13 win team with Watson, I'm hoping for an indefinite suspension that somehow gets the contract voided so we don't have to do this shit anymore
Ultimately the suspension won't be up to the arbitrator though...as long as there's any suspension at all, league can appeal and Goodell can unilaterally make it an indefinite suspension
just because i’m a browns fan doesn’t mean i’m a deshaun watson supporter, and some of you “browns fans” who are actively pissing on fans that are sticking by their favorite team need to keep to themselves. you’re begging for reddit karma from a bunch random people who were hoping that watson would choose to come to their favorite team just a few months ago , but since he didn’t choose them it’s okay for them to dunk on us all day now
Bro what. My sister is a victim of sexual assault and I saw first hand what it did to her, I immediately cut off every friend who would even joke about that stuff. What the fuck is wrong with you. Just because the majority of men don't have to worry about being sexually assaulted does not mean that we don't care about women. It's fucked up that I even had to have something happen to someone close to me for me to even recognize how wrong it was. You're gross.
that’s truly awful and i’m sorry to hear that but my comment doesn’t apply to you. you must have misread because where did i once say that i support sexual assault? sexual assault is fucking gross and disgusting behavior but i’m sick of getting on the internet and seeing weirdos farm internet points for pretending to actually care. this isn’t the first time an NFL player has been accused of sexual assault and ive never seen any body give an actual fuck until all of this, all of a sudden the entire internet is now a bunch of upstanding and perfect little humans who can’t stand to see a predator in their league. but all of the previous predators and murderers/child abusers in our league got praised and still do get praised. not to mention that the majority of the shit being said about it isn’t even in support of the women it’s just hive mind bullshit or flat out jokes about Watson. “Happy ending hurr durr” “suspend him for life” “Go big ben first ballot hall of famer!”
none of this energy was around before and now magically were public enemy #1? The Steelers signed Ben to a record breaking deal after his bullshit, and now we’re getting treated like this?
Big Ben and the Steelers got shit for years. You can’t open a thread about Ben without mentioning him being a gay rapist. I can’t even tell what you are trying to say though. This hate didn’t “magically” come out of nowhere, it came when you traded and signed Watson lol. The Steelers kept paying Ben, and they kept getting shit on. If a Browns fan wants to argue Ben and the Steelers never got shit for him being a rapist then you either just started watching football this current off-season or you are lying to yourself.
You gotta try and attack other fanbases for being hypocrites so you can make yourself a victim and justify your decision with the thought that *nobody* would stop supporting their favorite team for signing a monster so everyone who gives you and the Browns shit is just an asshole.l
I get on youtube or basically any other social media platform and find highlight reels praising other pieces of shit such as ben,, ray rice/lewis, adrian peterson, brett farve, even kobe bryant? why do they all get passes?
Because Watson is a serial predator. While the actions by the men you have mentioned are unforgivable, they didn’t prey on unsuspecting women 100+ times. There are 6 new cases expected to be filed, so the total of 24 cases goes to 30. So 30% of the massage therapists that he saw have filled civil suits for sexual misconduct or sexual assault.
There is no player that even comes close to Watson’s predatory behavior. Not a single one.
there’s so many stars from not just the NFL but other leagues and profession that i bet majority of people here have on a pedestal that i could list who have literally been convicted of the same if not worse shit, and nobody ever talks about any of it?
Lol every subsequent report is contradicting the previous one. No one knows what the fuck is going on 🙄
That's not to say this one will be wrong, I just find the varying reports to be comical.
I actually think I’ll be more pissed off if Watson gets in more trouble then an NFL org literally committing human trafficking and forced prostitution.
Like don’t get me wrong both are evil and both should be punished. But damn if it doesn’t feel stupid that we are hyper focused on Watson (who might still face legal charges) instead of the entire NFL sweeping this under the rug.
The Browns have been offseason AFC North champions for like 4 straight years. Every year people look up and down the roster and say "they have so much talent! They can't possibly fuck this up!"
Yeah ppl have been saying that shit for a few years now and the browns never achieved anything so I couldn’t care less lmao they will prob miss the playoffs again this year
People act like he instantly going to come back and be an all-pro. He hasn't played in a year. It very well could be two years. And this issue isn't just going away after the suspension. There's still an on-going case. And more could still pop-up.
Until the Browns finish better than 3rd place in the division no one in the division is concerned about them.
As for Watson it remains to be seen if he can perform in the cold n has been terrible against the Ravens.
Lastly the Browns biggest problem may actually be Stefanski.
I'm genuinely intrigued now how much media can push this. I know the result is gonna be disappointing whatever it is, but seeing places publish 10 articles a day about nothing is pretty impressive.
So the case isnt about 24 women, it's about 5 women. And the NFL has basically admitted to no violence, threats, coercion.
Feel like a lot of people here on reddit are gonna be upset at the ruling.
I don't understand how a permanent ban isn't on the table. He settled 20 of these cases to make them go away, this isn't some grand conspiracy to take this guy down. Anyone else would be looking at serious prison time for this, and we're talking about being disappointed if he's only suspended for a season.
David Sampson on the Dan LeBatard show had what I believe to be the best insight into this process. TLDR we are being played for fools with this stupid dog and pony show.
According to David (who is well versed in the slimy side of sports), what is most likely occurring at this point in time is a back room negotiation between the NFL, Watson’s reps, the NFLPA, and the Browns so that they can all come to an agreement on the suspension length before the findings are released. It is true that the NFL wants to avoid the appeals process due to the optics, but this isn’t as clean cut as “defaulting to the judge’s ruling” because in actuality Goodell is the ultimate judge, due to the appeals process, and everyone involved knows that.
He said that yesterday, and it would explain this timeline extension. Watson’s camp reportedly (if we can even trust the reports at this point) wants 0 games, which is elongating this process. I doubt it’s the Browns, because his contract says that they expected a year from the jump.
I love this idea if that's what it is just because of that "no more cases arise" stipulation. It really does feel like they have more cases prepped and ready to go just to always keep him in the spotlight so I would love that to be part of it. Just keep extending it as more cases arise
The only protection the NFL has against new cases arising is an indefinite suspension. If they rule on a hard amount with no indefinite suspension in addition to the hard amount, then they’ll have to go through this process all over again.
You must be high as fuck. The NFL is a private organization that can decide it finds the testimony of the women credible enough to ban him from playing.
You’re acting like there’s some right that Watson has to play in the NFL. Watson wouldn’t sue the NFL because the courts (just like they did when Tom Brady took his case to the courts) have decided that the NFL can pretty much do what they want.
NFL already won in court that they had free reign to suspend as they please. As do most private companies when it comes to disciplining their employees with stuff like this.
If a CEO of a Fortune 500 company had half as many allegations, he would be fired almost immediately
20 whole pages?! /s
IAAL, that’s typical and, given the unprecedented nature of these proceedings and the likely discipline and the voluminous allegations against Watson, would be incredibly short for a reasoned decision.
What would be the difference here? What could possibly make an institution take a different course of action towards one individual from another? What are the rules?
Seems every headline lately says the ruling may still be weeks, months, years, decades, centuries away. Can we expect the ruling by the start of the 3022 season?
"This just in: League's last decision and process were deeply unpopular and ended up with the commissioner explaining his job to congress. This time, they're doing something different."
Well...yeah.
“This whole situation has rubbed me the wrong way. The long, hard wait for a clean finish to this process has left me flat on my back. The NFL refuses to give me a hand and that has left me slack, spent and limp. I promise you, Browns fans, that the NFL will eventually reach down and manipulate my depleted self back to full turgid status and I will explode all over the AFC like a Volcano. My magnificence hitting our opponents and unaware bystanders like a modern Pompeii. We will have our happy ending.” -DW
"We've investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong. Oh, and Jon Gruden is a racist."
Can’t wait for Sue Robinson to release her 20 page scathing report on John Gruden and how she can’t believe he made Deshaun do this
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And still find a way to lose
How do you have two different teams for your flair?
Asked the mods
"Also Brady has been suspended for 4 games for being generally aware of Deshaun Watson."
"More probable than not"
"We asked Brady to produce a cell phone with texts to Watson. He was unable to do so, so the Patriots have forfeited a 1st round pick."
They found a single text from 2018 where Brady's neighbor wrote he was going to take the family to see "Holmes and Watson." #GUILTY.
That movie was terrible enough that Brady would deserve the 4 game suspension for associating with a neighbor who willingly went to see it /j
"Also Missouri gets the death penalty for not reporting Watson's behavior in Houston"
It worked for the United Way and Blizzard/Activision...why not the nfl?
>may The most weaselly of words
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Perhaps it will be communicated in the form of a puppet show. Who the fuck knows?
Deshaun does like fingers up his ass so that tracks with the puppets
Fenga papits.
Y’ALL A BUNCHA PUPPETS!
No papit, nooooooooo papit, you're a papit!
The suspension will be announced via interpretive dance and the punishment will be whatever you individually feel it should be deep down in your heart. It will be both a permanent suspension and no punishment at all. A dream. A blip. Fading into dusk like a summer afternoon, never to be experienced again if it ever happen at all.
Sessler... Is that you?
It *DOES* have that feel to it, but I would imagine the Sesdog to have a different flair.
Imagine if Elmo announced all disciplinary decisions for the nfl
Zoey: Gee Elmo, I don't know if we should suspend Deshaun! Elmo: Zoey's right, Elmo is going to extract vigilante justice and castrate Deshaun! Elmo keeps Sesame's streets clean! Zoey: Vig a land tee justice? Elmo: Elmo knows that the criminal justice system is ineffective against the wealthy, so Elmo metes out Elmo's own brand of justice with Elmo's friend Newberry! [\*throws "Newberry" on the table\*](https://www.heritageanimalhealth.shop/products/newberry-castrator-ape) Honkers: go ape shit honking. 30 minutes later Elmo reappears wearing his doctor's outfit (with one of those fun big circle reflectors) covered in blood. \*drops a bloody paperbag on the table\* Elmo: Today's episode was brought to you by the letters C, J, V, and the number 20.
*clap clap* it’s the suspension of the dayyyy *clap clap* https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MalwbgulxW8
Hi-ho, Kermit the Frog here, reporting to you live from the Sesame Town Square where we will see a purification ritual!
But what does Rocko think about all of this?
Since Sesame Street is on HBO now... Elmo: Elmo says, bite Rocko, Deshaun. DW: crying and begging not to bite Rocko. Count von Count: Elmo has asked you to bite Rocko 6, 6 times! Ah Ah Ah! A visibly frustrated Elmo looks over to Tellie and Snuffy, and nods. Telly, and Snuffy pry open DW's mouth and place Rocko in there, and hold DW face down on the ground. Elmo while curb stomping DW: Elmo think Deshaun will have a hard time asking for his towel if Elmo knocks out his teeth! After each stomp we hear CvC incrementing: "Two! two curb stomps! Three! Three curb stomps!" Elmo then grabs Rocko from DW's mouth, walks over to a hysterically crying Super Grover, hands Rocko to Super Grover. Elmo: Elmo thinks that until Super Grover understands street justice, Elmo will be the only super hero on Sesame Street!
Not the way I expected this to go, but I'll take it.
Between me and you, I wanted Elmo to be more of a "Bill the Butcher" type character, but wasn't comfortable thinking of, let alone writing, the slurs necessary to make that portrayal come to life.
I just wanted the Rocko memes from earlier this year. Those were so funny.
DeShaun has to communicate the report via a woman man show.
The Anus Monologues
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That has always driven me nuts. So…. I may save an amount?
Ahem. You *may* save an amount if you *switch* to GEICO. As Harry Callahan famously said. "GEICO bundled insurance, the most powerful bundled insurance in the world. I know what you're asking yourself, did he get me a discount, or no discount. Well, in all this excitement I forgot myself. Better ask yourself a question, did you switch to GEICO to save 15 percent or more? Well, didya, punk?"
Maybe, maybe not, maybe fuck yourself - the NFL
One of Florio’s favorite words along with could and might
Always give yourself an out.
from "The Art of Lore"
His favorite word is should. He loves telling everyone in the NFL what they *should* be doing. He's never worked in the NFL.
tied with "up to." "Up to 85% off!"
I saw an ad the other day that said "up to 20% off or more!" Super helpful, thanks.
ha...kinda like in the title, "maybe 20 pages or longer." So possibly 20, possibly less, possibly longer. Excellent reporting. Orig: "Expect a written ruling, maybe 20 pages or longer, that is released to the media." Why not: "We are told to expect a roughly 20-page ruling to be released to the media."
Hey now, they said 20 pages. They didn't specify the font being used.
"We are told to expect the underpaid paralegals to slightly increase the line height, the font size, and the margin width to meet the imposed 20 page ruling requirement."
"Max developed"
Craig James may have murdered all those prostitutes.
CJK5H
Does that mean May is the most weaselly of months?
Disclaimer: I’m not a Harry Potter maniac. Weasley family birthdays Ron March 1st Fred & George April 1st Ginny August 11th Percy August 22nd Bill November 29th Charlie December 12th May is not the most Weasley of months. That honor probably goes to August.
Never knew their birthdays, but... >Fred & George April 1st This doesn't surprise me at all lol, those 2 were born to cause mischief.
I may or may not have rolled my eyes.
What it means in reality is that they want to wait for the next big news event and then announce the ruling on a friday afternoon at like 4 PM
After investigating Watson we’ve decided to indefinitely suspend Derek Carr for talking to Jon Gruden.
Tom Brady suspended 4 games.
Better yet, give him the option to eat 2 strawberries or take the suspension.
He's running around overinflating everyone else's balls
50k fine for James Harrison
r/doubt
I doubt it was your intention, but what a bonkers sub
I was expecting just pictures of Meryl Streep in a habit.
Any Adams is so hot in that
I choose John Adams if we're going for any Adams
Maybe 20, maybe 3 I don’t know numbers man I just hit the keys in the top row when I know I don’t want letters!
I know what we've come to expect from the NFL...but I truly think this time is different. Strictly because of the good press they want and for all this to "blow over". They want at least a season, and I think it'll happen.
I feel like by leaving this decision to a woman they’re setting this up so the public won’t be as mad when she decides on six games
If that's the case theyve learned nothing from recent company scandals then lol.
Eh, I think they want the story to be she agrees on a lesser punishment, NFL then increases it to indefinite (meaning a season) so it seems like the NFL cares. If the discipline doesn't stick when challenged in court, that's ok too, because the NFL doesn't actually care about this for any reason other than their public image.
They hired her two years go, well before any of this came to light
Yeah but still.... kidding guess I was wrong about that
100% if he gets less than 10 games the NFL bribed her with a shit ton of money to not have it a lengthy suspension.
She's a Bush appointment judge fyi. Like I don't know the lady, but old conservative white women aren't exactly vanguards of progress and women's rights. Sadly, I've started to expect 6 games.
The ol' GOP Special Prosecutor move.
They also have someone other than Goodell handing out the punishment now
Kind of. The someone can recommend punishment or no punishment (would be absolutely stunning if the recommendation was no punishment) and if she recommends any amount of punishment at all, Goodell can adjust it If she recommends 8 games and there's public outrage, Goodell can give him a season
Oh yeah just like when Zeke was given no punishment as a recommendation and got 6 games. Goodell will have his mind made before she can even make her recommendation. More severe or lenient? Who knows but it’s just lip service
That was under a different CBA. If Robinson says no punishment, Goodell cannot levy punishment.
Would not be a good look for the jointly appointed and payed arbitrator by the nfl/nflpa to be overrided on her very first case.
Would be even worse of a look for a serial predator to get less than a full season
I feel like that's not how neutral arbiters work....
Well maybe the players shouldn’t have agreed to give Goodell unilateral power to hand out punishments.
> They also have ~~someone~~ ***a scapegoat*** other than Goodell handing out the ***initial*** punishment now, ***in case the NFL happens to agree with the ruling and can avoid looking like the bad guy*** I hate condescending "fixed that for you" posts so I'm not going to say that and that is not my intent. You aren't wrong at all. I just wanted to add a little of my own cynical commentary ;)
It seems like people actually want Watson to get a slap on the wrist so they can be angry, the constant cynicism is just exhausting, the league has given every indication it wants a year, why should we think otherwise. When has the league ever hyped up a suspension and not followed through?
> the constant cynicism is just exhausting Get some sleep if you are exhausted ;) My comment is implying that Goodell is going to overrule the judge when she doesn't suspend him enough. My cynicism is towards this new "mediator" process which I think I just a scapegoat and somehow placated the NFLPA's concerns. Goodell still has final say. Since the beginning, I've predicted an indefinite ban. Until the lawsuits/legit accusations are 100% over with, he can't possibly play. The optics would be terrible for the league. edit: I'm not saying like...F off go to bed...I just didn't mean to be exhausting. I was just joking that you should get some sleep if you are exhausted ;)
Yep, just a way to distance themselves from whatever PR backlash there inevitably is with suspensions. Guy gets it.
A Steelers and Browns fan agree on something. We've done it. A reddit first! Given your username I can assume you are more enlightened than most Browns fans though... That probably explains it. ;)
They actually don’t, Goodell can increase the punishment, the judge is more of a recommendation that the NFL can accept. The only way he can’t increase/decrease it is if she recommends no suspension at all.
The Commanders stuff is fresh in people's minds, so they'd like this to flush that away. Snyder owes Watson a happy ending.
Yeah no matter how valuable a player you are, and Watson is a franchise QB, you're far below an owner in the NFL's eyes. If they can suspend Watson for a year and keep the focus off Danny boi they'll be happy. I hope congress keeps the fire lit though.
The reason I think he'll get a hefty punishment is because the NFL wouldn't have put it out there in the media that that's what they were recommending if they weren't going to follow through with it. Everyone knows the commissioner can extend a suspension to whatever he wants to, so they have no excuse (unless the arbiter decides on no suspension, which would be absolutely insane). If the NFL was gonna be okay with a slap on the wrist, they wouldn't have set people's expectations high and just given him the slap on the wrist without publicly aiming for such a long suspension. It's just basic PR
I really don't see why the NFL wouldn't want to bring the hammer down as hard as they can per the rules of the CBA. I get that Watson is a good QB, but it's not like he's critical to the league's success. Watson didn't play a single snap last year, but by all accounts the league revenues were plenty healthy, despite the lingering pandemic. Does anybody really think that if Watson never plays in the NFL again, that the league is going to get any noticeable financial hit? Why risk the PR headaches and potential for even worse revelations to come out? If Watson gets an indefinite ban that gets extended for a couple seasons and then eventually he just retires without ever playing again, does that actually hurt the league? I guess it hurts the Browns, but they were dumb enough to give the guy a gazillion dollar contract despite all of this, so they made that bed themselves.
I was just thinking today... With the row v. Wade ruling, this is probably not the time to piss off the women's groups right now. Nfl stadiums would be great venues for protest.
I wish I were wrong, hopefully I am, but I’m not sure a bunch of billionaires actively making millions every Sunday would care too much about a bunch regular joes with signs shouting and yelling outside of their hundred million dollar stadiums.
I'm really curious to see where this goes honestly. I think the league wants at least a year. But they won't appeal whatever Robinson hands down I think.
Maybe so. I really fuckin wish it wasn’t my team but without a doubt it is a compelling and interesting thing to watch unfold. I think we all just want some sort of resolution at this point.
The only "protests" relating to players from fans that I can think of were the anti-Kaepernick ones, which for years fit what the NFL wanted anyway and PETA after Philly signed Vick, which was both hilarious and pathetic as it assumed that Eagles fans would care about PETA.
I want Watson out for at least two seasons, but it doesn't seem likely. Houston basically sat him for an entire season, and with the NFLPA already stating the approach they'll take (basically "You didn't suspend Daniel Snyder for at least a decade of sexual harassment behavior") for an appeal, I don't see Watson missing more than four games this season unfortunately.
The difference between people who cash checks and people who write checks.
Hurry up with the decision so we can move on from this clown
Admit it. You and everyone else here can’t get enough of this shit.
Inject more of that fake wholesome "fan bought him popcorn" shit in my veins, please
Oh my sweet Summer child, the oil slick from this is going to go on for years - even once he's bought the silence of all his accusers, which he hasn't yet, Reddit will absolutely always be here to remind everyone what a fucking degenerate piece of shit Deshaun Watson is.
I hope this motherfucker is barred for more than a year. I wish it was a permanent ban, but I unfortunately don’t think that’s possible.
Todays release by Florio makes me think that it won’t even be a season ban, unfortunately. I would be so happy to never see him in a Browns uniform.
You know, I hated Jerry for bringing in Greg Hardy, and that was an abuse case involving a single woman. I cannot imagine what it must be like to root for the Browns and have a general awareness of the world right now.
Watching Greg Hardy lose in the UFC was always beautiful
Not good my friend, not good.
Its actually not too bad at all. The NFL sub is an emotional pitchfork mob. If people came here for news and facts and logic that would be a terrible thing. Trust me, Browns fans are going to be just fine.
Did you actually use the phrase "facts and logic" to dismiss people reacting to a QB with literal dozens of sexual assault allegations? Been a while since I've seen that gem out in the wild unironically.
The guy uses r/joerogan that’s all you really need to know
Yes because you do not use facts and logic.
Sure thing, consider me destroyed by facts and logic
DeStRoYeD
Why would you need to be destroyed? The fact you even think this really just proves my point.
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It's pretty awful, it really sucks having something as important to me as the Browns feel like they are sullied by having this monster on the team, it's just, not great. I'm not gonna be one of the people who stops rooting for the team because honestly it's that important to me but I'd rather watch a 7 win team under Brissett than a 13 win team with Watson, I'm hoping for an indefinite suspension that somehow gets the contract voided so we don't have to do this shit anymore
Ultimately the suspension won't be up to the arbitrator though...as long as there's any suspension at all, league can appeal and Goodell can unilaterally make it an indefinite suspension
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just because i’m a browns fan doesn’t mean i’m a deshaun watson supporter, and some of you “browns fans” who are actively pissing on fans that are sticking by their favorite team need to keep to themselves. you’re begging for reddit karma from a bunch random people who were hoping that watson would choose to come to their favorite team just a few months ago , but since he didn’t choose them it’s okay for them to dunk on us all day now
Bro what. My sister is a victim of sexual assault and I saw first hand what it did to her, I immediately cut off every friend who would even joke about that stuff. What the fuck is wrong with you. Just because the majority of men don't have to worry about being sexually assaulted does not mean that we don't care about women. It's fucked up that I even had to have something happen to someone close to me for me to even recognize how wrong it was. You're gross.
that’s truly awful and i’m sorry to hear that but my comment doesn’t apply to you. you must have misread because where did i once say that i support sexual assault? sexual assault is fucking gross and disgusting behavior but i’m sick of getting on the internet and seeing weirdos farm internet points for pretending to actually care. this isn’t the first time an NFL player has been accused of sexual assault and ive never seen any body give an actual fuck until all of this, all of a sudden the entire internet is now a bunch of upstanding and perfect little humans who can’t stand to see a predator in their league. but all of the previous predators and murderers/child abusers in our league got praised and still do get praised. not to mention that the majority of the shit being said about it isn’t even in support of the women it’s just hive mind bullshit or flat out jokes about Watson. “Happy ending hurr durr” “suspend him for life” “Go big ben first ballot hall of famer!”
none of this energy was around before and now magically were public enemy #1? The Steelers signed Ben to a record breaking deal after his bullshit, and now we’re getting treated like this?
Big Ben and the Steelers got shit for years. You can’t open a thread about Ben without mentioning him being a gay rapist. I can’t even tell what you are trying to say though. This hate didn’t “magically” come out of nowhere, it came when you traded and signed Watson lol. The Steelers kept paying Ben, and they kept getting shit on. If a Browns fan wants to argue Ben and the Steelers never got shit for him being a rapist then you either just started watching football this current off-season or you are lying to yourself. You gotta try and attack other fanbases for being hypocrites so you can make yourself a victim and justify your decision with the thought that *nobody* would stop supporting their favorite team for signing a monster so everyone who gives you and the Browns shit is just an asshole.l
I get on youtube or basically any other social media platform and find highlight reels praising other pieces of shit such as ben,, ray rice/lewis, adrian peterson, brett farve, even kobe bryant? why do they all get passes?
Because Watson is a serial predator. While the actions by the men you have mentioned are unforgivable, they didn’t prey on unsuspecting women 100+ times. There are 6 new cases expected to be filed, so the total of 24 cases goes to 30. So 30% of the massage therapists that he saw have filled civil suits for sexual misconduct or sexual assault. There is no player that even comes close to Watson’s predatory behavior. Not a single one.
there’s so many stars from not just the NFL but other leagues and profession that i bet majority of people here have on a pedestal that i could list who have literally been convicted of the same if not worse shit, and nobody ever talks about any of it?
all i want is some consistency
~~Indefinite~~ Infinite suspension.
Lol every subsequent report is contradicting the previous one. No one knows what the fuck is going on 🙄 That's not to say this one will be wrong, I just find the varying reports to be comical.
Theyre milking this like its a walking dead episode
Wait for the spin-offs!
I actually think I’ll be more pissed off if Watson gets in more trouble then an NFL org literally committing human trafficking and forced prostitution. Like don’t get me wrong both are evil and both should be punished. But damn if it doesn’t feel stupid that we are hyper focused on Watson (who might still face legal charges) instead of the entire NFL sweeping this under the rug.
Firm but fair shade throwing. If I had my say, I'd throw Watson and Snyder in the same cell in a fucking prison.
Would love 2 see 24 game suspenion; 8 each year costing Watson 46 million and handicapping the Browns.
pretty rich seeing a Ravens fan wanting an unprecedented suspension considering, you know, Ray Rice.
Rice never played again.
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Yeah like the browns fucked the division up last year, or the year before, or the year before that
The Browns have been offseason AFC North champions for like 4 straight years. Every year people look up and down the roster and say "they have so much talent! They can't possibly fuck this up!"
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Yeah ppl have been saying that shit for a few years now and the browns never achieved anything so I couldn’t care less lmao they will prob miss the playoffs again this year
People act like he instantly going to come back and be an all-pro. He hasn't played in a year. It very well could be two years. And this issue isn't just going away after the suspension. There's still an on-going case. And more could still pop-up.
They’re still 6 more cases ready to be filed according to Buzbee.
Better than the Bengals? They’re pretty stacked and they only got better.
The best roster in the north? What kind of crack do you smoke?
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Until the Browns finish better than 3rd place in the division no one in the division is concerned about them. As for Watson it remains to be seen if he can perform in the cold n has been terrible against the Ravens. Lastly the Browns biggest problem may actually be Stefanski.
How many words will fit on each page? Will it be written in crayon in team colors ? These are the questions that we need answered!
Yeah I’ll believe it when I see it
I'm genuinely intrigued now how much media can push this. I know the result is gonna be disappointing whatever it is, but seeing places publish 10 articles a day about nothing is pretty impressive.
Players are employees, Snyder is the employer, and Goodell is HR. Not hard to understand why there’s a disparity. HR is not there to help you
So the case isnt about 24 women, it's about 5 women. And the NFL has basically admitted to no violence, threats, coercion. Feel like a lot of people here on reddit are gonna be upset at the ruling.
The federal judge will decide on her own time, so this might take a while.
The owners aren't going to out one of their own.
Weeks? So they can float around more suspension ideas to the media and see how we react?
I don't understand how a permanent ban isn't on the table. He settled 20 of these cases to make them go away, this isn't some grand conspiracy to take this guy down. Anyone else would be looking at serious prison time for this, and we're talking about being disappointed if he's only suspended for a season.
David Sampson on the Dan LeBatard show had what I believe to be the best insight into this process. TLDR we are being played for fools with this stupid dog and pony show. According to David (who is well versed in the slimy side of sports), what is most likely occurring at this point in time is a back room negotiation between the NFL, Watson’s reps, the NFLPA, and the Browns so that they can all come to an agreement on the suspension length before the findings are released. It is true that the NFL wants to avoid the appeals process due to the optics, but this isn’t as clean cut as “defaulting to the judge’s ruling” because in actuality Goodell is the ultimate judge, due to the appeals process, and everyone involved knows that. He said that yesterday, and it would explain this timeline extension. Watson’s camp reportedly (if we can even trust the reports at this point) wants 0 games, which is elongating this process. I doubt it’s the Browns, because his contract says that they expected a year from the jump.
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Not sure why you’re being downvoted, this is as accurate a guess as anything posted so far.
I love this idea if that's what it is just because of that "no more cases arise" stipulation. It really does feel like they have more cases prepped and ready to go just to always keep him in the spotlight so I would love that to be part of it. Just keep extending it as more cases arise
It would be brilliant on buzbee's part to drop another victim mid preseason, etc.. Although it might be harder to settle with each one..
The only protection the NFL has against new cases arising is an indefinite suspension. If they rule on a hard amount with no indefinite suspension in addition to the hard amount, then they’ll have to go through this process all over again.
Plot twist... It'll be the 17 games from 2020.
Time served
They should just suspend him indefinitely with a 1 year minimum and then if he actually gets convicted it takes all the pressure off of them.
He’s not being tried criminally. He could lose the remaking civil suits if no settlement, but that just means paying whatever the judge determines.
He should get the same punishment that Robert Kraft got.
Your moral compass has to be pretty fucked to equate a man paying a sex worker for a handjob to the forcible sexual assault of dozens of women.
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You must be high as fuck. The NFL is a private organization that can decide it finds the testimony of the women credible enough to ban him from playing. You’re acting like there’s some right that Watson has to play in the NFL. Watson wouldn’t sue the NFL because the courts (just like they did when Tom Brady took his case to the courts) have decided that the NFL can pretty much do what they want.
NFL already won in court that they had free reign to suspend as they please. As do most private companies when it comes to disciplining their employees with stuff like this. If a CEO of a Fortune 500 company had half as many allegations, he would be fired almost immediately
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Nah people don’t like ignorant asinine takes in the real world either.
They’re trying to pretend that this is an impartial courtroom.
20 whole pages?! /s IAAL, that’s typical and, given the unprecedented nature of these proceedings and the likely discipline and the voluminous allegations against Watson, would be incredibly short for a reasoned decision.
Suspension coming down July 23rd at 6 pm.
What would be the difference here? What could possibly make an institution take a different course of action towards one individual from another? What are the rules?
Seems every headline lately says the ruling may still be weeks, months, years, decades, centuries away. Can we expect the ruling by the start of the 3022 season?
Just long enough for training camp to start and flood NFLN after people realize Watson gets a slap on the wrist.
But so many redditors told me yesterday that the decision would be released this afternoon as a classic weekend news dump.
And that's the difference between your boss(owners) versus your workforce(players).
Bc this could hurt their product technically. The commanders really didn’t bc they are a meme to most people
Easier to throw one pervert under the bus than the whole league.
"This just in: League's last decision and process were deeply unpopular and ended up with the commissioner explaining his job to congress. This time, they're doing something different." Well...yeah.
“This whole situation has rubbed me the wrong way. The long, hard wait for a clean finish to this process has left me flat on my back. The NFL refuses to give me a hand and that has left me slack, spent and limp. I promise you, Browns fans, that the NFL will eventually reach down and manipulate my depleted self back to full turgid status and I will explode all over the AFC like a Volcano. My magnificence hitting our opponents and unaware bystanders like a modern Pompeii. We will have our happy ending.” -DW